| 00:04.01 | elg | man, now my brain is really really fried |
| 00:04.33 | elg | i've been grading this stupid pseudo-bioinformatics assignment since noon, except when i've been helping students working on the stupid bioinformatics assignment to turn in late |
| 00:04.55 | elg | then i go to a colloquium against my better judgement that will supposedly be about how bioinformatics is so awesome and why you should be excited about it |
| 00:05.36 | elg | but it's basically like random pieces of random biology classes that are absolutely not interesting unless you're already very interested in bioinformatics |
| 00:05.44 | elg | by a chinese guy with a thick accent |
| 00:05.47 | elg | ugh |
| 00:48.55 | Lone_Wanderer | elg: All I've heard about bioinformatics is the hooplah. I have yet to hear anything of actual substance. |
| 00:49.04 | Lone_Wanderer | And I've been vaguely interested in it for years. |
| 00:49.32 | elg | bioinformatics: biology deals with lots and lots of data so you have to get computer people to help you process it efficiently |
| 00:49.54 | elg | very lucrative at the moment, and to people who get high on biology it's probably very interesting |
| 00:50.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Every time I hear people talk about what bioinformaticians do it sounds really lame and boring. |
| 00:50.41 | elg | everything i've seen has been lame and boring |
| 00:50.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Like you're basically a highly paid, well educated number grunt. |
| 00:50.46 | elg | our school has a focus on it |
| 00:50.53 | Lone_Wanderer | What school? |
| 00:51.00 | elg | well not quite that bad - you're more a highly paid well educated algorithm grunt |
| 00:51.17 | Lone_Wanderer | ACTGrunt? ;) |
| 00:51.25 | elg | if you like dynamic programming and databases and don't hate biology, it might be for you |
| 00:51.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I like biology. |
| 00:51.36 | elg | if you love biology to the exclusion of all sanity it might be fore you |
| 00:51.41 | elg | :) |
| 00:51.41 | Lone_Wanderer | And lisp. Databases, eh. |
| 00:51.56 | Lone_Wanderer | But no-one will tell me what someone in bioinformatics actually DOES. |
| 00:51.57 | elg | if you hate biology and chemistry, like I do, and don't much care for databases or dynamic programming... |
| 00:52.02 | elg | new mexico state university |
| 00:52.04 | Lone_Wanderer | They just talk about problems that are already solved. |
| 00:52.26 | harleypig | anyone know of an existing mysql ebay schema? |
| 00:52.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Like "I used this tool, then that tool, then I got my answer." Well great, I'm happy for you... now why did you need a programmer again? |
| 00:52.42 | elg | well the idea is that you marry domain knowledge of biology and its inherently hard large-data problems and computer science |
| 00:52.58 | elg | you've probably been talking to people on the biology side of the equation |
| 00:53.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, probably. |
| 00:53.10 | elg | the computer science side of the equation is coming up with those tools |
| 00:53.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, clearly. |
| 00:53.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I just want one solid example of a problem that hasn't been solved yet. |
| 00:53.51 | elg | most cs bioinformatics people have a working knowledge of biology - at least enough to understand the problems |
| 00:54.02 | elg | and seem to be excited about the biology problems instead of repulsed by them as I am |
| 00:54.27 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, I have to eat |
| 00:54.29 | Lone_Wanderer | then work |
| 00:54.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm beginning to hate this project and this job. I suspect that I will be searching for a new one soon. |
| 00:54.52 | elg | Lone_Wanderer: well, imagine all the genome sequencing and understanding and visualization of protein structures and so forth |
| 00:55.18 | elg | those things aren't solved, and all the pieces that have yet to be solved are generally big enough to keep research groups busy for a few years each. |
| 00:56.11 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 00:56.35 | Lone_Wanderer | well, that does sound interesting |
| 00:56.44 | Lone_Wanderer | but not enough to keep me from food |
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| 01:25.40 | Sargun_Screen | pants. |
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| 03:02.14 | levi | Man, Sen. Buttars is a real piece of work. |
| 03:02.27 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah he is |
| 03:02.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I really wish that more people were willing to speak up for what's right like that. |
| 03:03.20 | levi | What do you mean by that? |
| 03:03.29 | Lone_Wanderer | >.> |
| 03:03.57 | Lone_Wanderer | It might be easier to interpret my meaning if you could see that I literally laughed out loud almost as soon as I hit enter. |
| 03:08.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, he lost his position over it as well. |
| 03:08.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Now he can add a persecution complex to all his other problems :) |
| 03:09.09 | levi | Well, he's still a state senator, it's not like he completely lost his position. |
| 03:10.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Right, but he lost his whatever-it-was. |
| 03:10.19 | Lone_Wanderer | And with any luck he'll lose the next election as well. |
| 03:11.10 | levi | No kidding. |
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| 03:56.47 | fozzmoo | I like what Sen. Buttars believes in, but, yeah, he needs to keep his mouth shut and hire a spokesperson. :) |
| 03:57.42 | fozzmoo | "These non-Mormons... they're like... well, they're like Nazis." |
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| 04:04.16 | fozzmoo | ~poke Jayce^ |
| 04:04.17 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Jayce^, pokes Jayce^ repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:04.23 | Jayce^ | ;sup |
| 04:04.31 | fozzmoo | Nah much. |
| 04:04.49 | fozzmoo | Just waiting for someone to tell me I suck. |
| 04:04.56 | Jayce^ | you suck fozzmoo |
| 04:05.03 | fozzmoo | And there we go. |
| 04:05.36 | Jayce^ | @#$#% mobo I was going to get tonight was backordered, no new cheap box for me tonight :( |
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| 04:09.07 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Where did you go to buy a mobo? |
| 04:09.24 | vontrapp | anyone have a gtk-gnutella address i can bootstrap off of? |
| 04:09.29 | Jayce^ | PCDiscounters.. |
| 04:09.44 | Jayce^ | gun who runs it is an acquaintance.. good guy, great service |
| 04:09.45 | vontrapp | ibot: that was soo last year |
| 04:09.59 | fozzmoo | I could swear VLC would play ISO images of DVDs. |
| 04:10.17 | thesuperbigfrog | :source ~/.screenrc |
| 04:10.22 | thesuperbigfrog | oops |
| 04:10.39 | vontrapp | :force thesuperbigfrog |
| 04:10.59 | levi | fozzmoo: You like that he believes that gay people have no morals and have an agenda to destroy us or something? |
| 04:11.26 | vontrapp | oh, and anyone want to trade a video card? |
| 04:11.32 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: That took longer than I thought. |
| 04:12.02 | vontrapp | levi: not _all_ gay people |
| 04:12.06 | vontrapp | :p |
| 04:12.39 | fozzmoo | And the problem is that buttars tends to not provide any distinction. |
| 04:12.57 | vontrapp | yeah he's not very bright |
| 04:13.17 | fozzmoo | He might be bright... just not very... tactful. |
| 04:16.38 | vontrapp | it's a little beyong untactful, some of the things he says are really off the wall |
| 04:17.30 | vontrapp | there's saying what you believe unapolegetically, and then there's buttars |
| 04:17.58 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 04:21.14 | vontrapp | anywho, i have a gforce 7300 LE, and i need anything else that does dvi or hdmi |
| 04:21.41 | Lone_Wanderer | fozzmoo: You agree with him that gay people are just as much a threat to the US as terrorists? |
| 04:21.57 | fozzmoo | The ones that want to kill Mormons... yeah. |
| 04:22.09 | Lone_Wanderer | The terrorists that want to kill Mormons? Or the gay people who do? |
| 04:22.15 | fozzmoo | The gay people. |
| 04:22.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Not that it matters, really - I'm going to go out on a limb and say that anyone who wants to murder another person is probably a threat to any well ordered society |
| 04:22.42 | Lone_Wanderer | whether American or otherwise |
| 04:22.58 | fozzmoo | Some of the rhetoric coming from the more radical anti-8s is not a whole lot different from middle-eastern terrorism. |
| 04:22.59 | Lone_Wanderer | but also that, generally speaking, gay people are less likely to commit murder than terrorists |
| 04:23.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I think you do have to acknowledge, however, that members of the Utah GLBT community are somewhat less likely to actually act on their rhetoric. |
| 04:23.36 | fozzmoo | Sure. Maybe Buttars is worried someone will come in the middle of night and paint his house pink. |
| 04:23.38 | vontrapp | what if they're gay _and_ terrorists? |
| 04:23.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Umm. Vontrapp? |
| 04:23.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Most terrorists *are* gay. |
| 04:24.12 | fozzmoo | Most terrorists are in denial. :) |
| 04:24.19 | vontrapp | hehe, that reminds me of the terrorist's virgins on family guy |
| 04:24.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean the homosexual kind of gay, not the lame kind of gay. |
| 04:24.30 | Lone_Wanderer | No, they're not in denial. They openly engage in homosexual acts. |
| 04:24.33 | fozzmoo | Time to watch Sarah Connor. |
| 04:24.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Most Iraqi men do. |
| 04:24.45 | vontrapp | yaya |
| 04:24.50 | vontrapp | except i have homework :( |
| 04:25.13 | Lone_Wanderer | (I say Iraqi because they're the only country I know of for sure - I'm pretty sure it's prevalent throughout the middle east, but I don't know for sure about places outside Iraq.) |
| 04:25.50 | vontrapp | a terrorist goes throught the pearly gates, bombs around his waist |
| 04:25.53 | Lone_Wanderer | They don't limit themselves to boys and other men, either. Animals are fair game. Except for dogs. |
| 04:26.06 | vontrapp | inside waiting for him are his 40 virgins |
| 04:26.22 | vontrapp | geeky guys playing video games and on laptops and with glasses etc |
| 04:26.33 | vontrapp | terrorist swears and throws his bombs to the ground |
| 04:26.38 | vontrapp | :) |
| 04:26.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Not because dogs enjoy any kind of special (or un-special status like pigs). They're just not anatomically predisposed to sex with human males while out of heat. |
| 04:26.51 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 04:26.59 | Lone_Wanderer | special status* |
| 04:27.33 | Lone_Wanderer | is waiting for someone to ask how he knows all this :p |
| 04:27.41 | vontrapp | still doesn't have a gnutella connection |
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| 04:28.46 | fozzmoo | doesn't WANT to know. |
| 04:29.13 | Lone_Wanderer | (Conversations with Iraqi police :p) |
| 04:30.12 | vontrapp | so the police are the gay ones? |
| 04:30.25 | Lone_Wanderer | no, they all are |
| 04:30.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I just haven't talked to any Iraqi men who aren't police, because I've never been there :p |
| 04:31.13 | Lone_Wanderer | and officers sometimes get shipped back here to train on US military bases |
| 04:32.05 | Lone_Wanderer | great, now my finger is bleeding |
| 04:32.14 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe I really will have to superglue it shut |
| 04:32.24 | vontrapp | um, i tried that once |
| 04:32.32 | Lone_Wanderer | superglue? |
| 04:32.33 | vontrapp | it was extremely uncomfortable |
| 04:32.53 | vontrapp | woke up in the middle of the night feeling like my thumb was going to pop, and pulled off the glue |
| 04:32.55 | Lone_Wanderer | but did it keep the wound closed? |
| 04:32.57 | vontrapp | let it gush out a bit |
| 04:33.00 | vontrapp | ya it did |
| 04:33.03 | Lone_Wanderer | blood? infection? |
| 04:33.17 | vontrapp | went to the doctor the next day |
| 04:33.21 | vontrapp | too late for stitches |
| 04:33.40 | vontrapp | so they put a tape version of superglu on, and a wrappy bandage |
| 04:33.45 | vontrapp | still have a nice scar |
| 04:33.57 | Lone_Wanderer | huh |
| 04:34.02 | vontrapp | but no, never got infection |
| 04:34.07 | vontrapp | but then i never get infection |
| 04:34.11 | vontrapp | except on ingrown nails |
| 04:34.16 | Lone_Wanderer | so it was just trapped blood? |
| 04:34.24 | vontrapp | musta been |
| 04:34.28 | Lone_Wanderer | crazy |
| 04:34.40 | Lone_Wanderer | well then I shall heed your warning |
| 04:34.48 | Lone_Wanderer | and stick with the band-aids even though it's really awkward |
| 04:34.49 | vontrapp | it squirted when i pulled it off |
| 04:34.53 | vontrapp | only an inch or so |
| 04:35.01 | Lone_Wanderer | still kind of disconcerting I imagine |
| 04:35.26 | vontrapp | well, actually the squirting was quite refreshing after all the throbbing |
| 04:35.50 | Lone_Wanderer | brb, bandaiding |
| 04:37.33 | Lone_Wanderer | while I'm gone you can look at this awesome picture of me: http://flickr.com/photos/gracewanderer/3291125823/ |
| 04:38.42 | vontrapp | hey, ther'es no blood there! |
| 04:39.01 | Lone_Wanderer | It's in my pocket, you can't see it. |
| 04:40.32 | vontrapp | well i see your scarf was unsuccessful at containing the flow |
| 04:40.47 | Lone_Wanderer | yes, I attempted to stanch the blood with it |
| 04:40.54 | Lone_Wanderer | but when it became soaked I had to put it in my pocket |
| 04:41.00 | Lone_Wanderer | or perhaps staunch? I don't know. |
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| 22:33.14 | elg | sweet, my paper to the linux audio conference was accepted |
| 22:33.23 | elg | too bad i can't afford to travel to italy in may |
| 22:34.14 | tensai | how about april or june? |
| 22:34.14 | elg | april definitely not |
| 22:34.17 | elg | june maybe if i've landed a high paying job with a starting bonus |
| 22:35.53 | elg | oh actually the conference is in april |
| 22:35.58 | elg | 16-19 |
| 22:37.14 | elg | maybe if i start swimming now... |
| 22:39.49 | elg | one of the reviewers suggested turning off the caches to see how that affects performance. i wasn't aware you could turn off caching (memory, disk? of course i don't know what he refers to but probably memory) |
| 22:58.22 | tristanbob_ | FYI - I found my new favorite backup tool for Linux |
| 22:58.43 | tristanbob_ | http://www11.crashplan.com/landing/index.html |
| 22:59.26 | tristanbob_ | They have a free client for Linux that lets you backup to several remote client (like your work PC, your friends PC, your Dad's PC) and encrypts it with 128-bit Blowfish |
| 22:59.35 | tristanbob_ | only sends differentials, like rsync |
| 22:59.53 | tristanbob_ | you can also backup to their data-center, which is very reasonable |
| 23:00.16 | tristanbob_ | 10 cents a gigabyte per month, minimum of 50 GB ($5) |
| 23:07.49 | elg | interesting |
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| 23:19.35 | tristanbob_ | tensai, http://www.goodpassword.com/ |
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| 23:19.59 | tristanbob_ | I like you recommendation of a password safe, but if not using one then I like using that site to generate passwords |
| 23:20.07 | tristanbob_ | the typewriter option is interesting |
| 23:20.14 | tristanbob_ | left-right-left-right typing |
| 23:21.30 | elg | i like pwgen |
| 23:22.01 | elg | i have a "safe" (encrypted file) but it's too much hassle and too insecure to have it open all the time |
| 23:22.08 | elg | so I have a multi-tier system |
| 23:22.32 | elg | web passwords on sites that aren't sensitive (i.e. stupid forums for tech support) are the lowest tier |
| 23:22.38 | elg | etc. |
| 23:22.59 | elg | so i only have to remember a handful of passwords and don't have to expose my sensitive stuff to low-security sites |
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| 23:38.31 | bonez | help.. My son.. age 13... is really wanting to run ubuntu.. but he's frustrated cause he can't find any games.. he wants to run Red Alert 3, and SimCity Societies, but can't get them working on ubuntu.. with wine... Suggestions? |
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| 23:39.13 | elg | wesnoth |
| 23:39.31 | Tene | Most of the games I'm fond of are character-based, which many people odn't like. |
| 23:39.33 | Tene | roguelikes |
| 23:39.35 | Tene | MUDs |
| 23:39.42 | sinuhe | nethack! |
| 23:39.43 | elg | zork |
| 23:39.56 | elg | i was probably 13 when i started playing interactive fiction like zork |
| 23:40.24 | Tene | I never got into zork and friends. |
| 23:40.25 | bonez | interactive fiction, eh? |
| 23:41.01 | elg | http://www.ifarchive.org/ |
| 23:41.04 | bonez | where could I find gamers who run linux/ubuntu/debian.. et al.. ? |
| 23:41.24 | elg | you can find the infocom games if you dig |
| 23:41.36 | elg | but there's lots of community-produced stuff of just as high quality |
| 23:41.48 | Tene | I was playing Freespace 2 for a while |
| 23:41.59 | Tene | that's open source, there are installers to download everything for you. |
| 23:42.04 | Tene | Space sim. |
| 23:42.13 | sinuhe | I did zork 1-3 around 8 or 9 years of age. Dad criticized me for copying the software illegally. Looking back, that may be the start of my move towards free software. |
| 23:42.15 | bonez | space sim? |
| 23:42.17 | Tene | Flying and shooting and lasers and missiles and such |
| 23:42.22 | Tene | nebula and aliens! |
| 23:42.23 | bonez | that might catch his attention |
| 23:42.40 | Tene | Secret missions! |
| 23:43.14 | sinuhe | There is Quake 3 for Linux. |
| 23:43.33 | Tene | I remember hearing people play Morrowind and Oblivion on linux. |
| 23:43.47 | Tene | You might want to look for the best-supported games on the wine appdb |
| 23:44.01 | Tene | somewhere on http://winehq.org/ |
| 23:44.21 | sinuhe | I got Warcraft II going on WINE many years ago, but the 3D sucked then. I have no idea what it looks like these days. |
| 23:44.26 | Tene | I've played Homeworld on linux before. RTS in space. |
| 23:44.28 | bonez | thanks a bunch.. this will help me.. |
| 23:44.33 | Tene | The original Half Life |
| 23:44.43 | Tene | I never tried HL2 |
| 23:45.15 | Tene | For roguelikes, I'm rather fond of ADOM and Crawl Stone Soup |
| 23:45.21 | Tene | Not so much the angbands |
| 23:45.37 | elg | http://openlierox.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:45.41 | brac | [OpenLieroX] |
| 23:45.57 | Tene | I really enjoyed http://www.retromud.org/ for a few years |
| 23:46.14 | Tene | Depends on how much reading he can stand, though. |
| 23:46.27 | Tene | It's a *massive* world for a MUD. |
| 23:46.41 | sinuhe | My brother is one of the Mystic programmers. |
| 23:47.07 | elg | i got Trinity (infocom) at a white elephant party |
| 23:47.17 | elg | actually, I got it and lost it |
| 23:47.31 | elg | but the person who ended up with it was unimpressed that it was text-based and gave it to me. hah |
| 23:48.18 | elg | highly recommend it. still my favorite IF |
| 23:48.53 | elg | (don't know how easy it is to find online, but I have it if you want to give it a shot) |
| 23:50.32 | Tene | bonez: definitely check what's best supported at the wine appdb, though |
| 23:51.12 | Tene | bonez: for an FPS, I've got a few friends who are fond of nexuiz |
| 23:52.49 | elg | http://pingus.seul.org/ |
| 23:52.50 | brac | [Pingus - A journey into the unknown... [Release 0.7.2 out now!]] |
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| 23:56.09 | Tene | bonez: I'd be interested to hear what ends up working out for you. |