| 00:02.38 | Sargun_Screen | unum: you guys suck that bad? |
| 00:02.42 | Sargun_Screen | £-P |
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| 00:34.01 | unum | Sargun_Screen: apparently |
| 00:46.43 | harleypig | I've got an apache setup that is working fine on the live server, but is having problems on my laptop, which is supposed to be my dev environment. |
| 00:46.59 | harleypig | It looks like images re being returned as html files. |
| 00:47.36 | harleypig | The conf file has / set to use a Perl module as its handler, and the /images directory is explicitly set to use the default handler. |
| 00:47.39 | harleypig | any pointers? |
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| 02:55.53 | levi | Good evening. |
| 02:58.20 | Supaplex | no not already! |
| 02:59.55 | levi | Alas, yes. |
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| 03:01.03 | brac | ~onjoin findlay <action>kisses a babe |
| 03:01.03 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 03:09.36 | Sargun_Screen | lol |
| 03:11.23 | levi | findlay: Hi, babe-kisser. |
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| 03:59.23 | levi | Any thinkpad owners here who have had Fn-f7 quit working in Windows before? |
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| 04:31.17 | brac | puts Icy-Hot in Tene's lip balm |
| 04:37.36 | levi | What's up, Tene? |
| 04:40.52 | Tene | Taking some pictures. |
| 04:41.03 | Tene | With a mediocre-quality webcam |
| 04:41.18 | Tene | As the real camera is pretty dead. |
| 04:42.44 | levi | What are you taking pictures of? |
| 04:42.55 | levi | I've got a digital camera that died in a really odd way. |
| 04:43.07 | Tene | I got the girlfriend some colorful socks that she's excited about. |
| 04:43.20 | levi | It still takes pictures, but they're all garbled when they transfer. |
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| 05:43.55 | Supaplex | http://www.magnetnerd.com/Neodymium%20Magnets/Dirks%20Accident.htm |
| 05:46.21 | Tene | And they're uploaded now. |
| 05:52.34 | levi | Supaplex: Not sure I needed to see that. :) |
| 05:54.15 | Supaplex | it's better than feeling it :P |
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| 06:12.24 | Tene | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126954.500-ecstasys-longterm-effects-revealed.html |
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| 06:23.47 | levi | Tene: Interesting. |
| 06:24.06 | levi | Good to know that all those ravers haven't melted their brains. |
| 06:46.27 | findlay | ~kiss levi |
| 06:46.28 | ibot | ACTION forces levi to give herlo a big kiss on the lips |
| 06:49.15 | levi | Ew. |
| 06:52.42 | Tene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Doy_7sOoM |
| 06:53.00 | Tene | India traffic camera, interesting |
| 07:01.07 | Sargun | ~kiss levi |
| 07:01.07 | ibot | ACTION forces levi to give levi a big kiss on the hand |
| 07:05.38 | Supaplex | ~rlart |
| 07:05.39 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into decriptor's ear |
| 07:11.40 | findlay | ~rSupaplex |
| 07:11.51 | findlay | ~Supaplex yesterday |
| 07:12.03 | findlay | ~yesterday Supaplex |
| 07:12.10 | findlay | ~anything |
| 07:12.11 | ibot | i guess anything is better than fat32 |
| 07:12.16 | findlay | sure is |
| 07:13.04 | Supaplex | fat12! |
| 07:16.38 | Supaplex | ~mmorpg findlay |
| 07:16.39 | ibot | ACTION fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at findlay for a total of 275 damage! |
| 07:22.30 | Sargun | fat1 |
| 07:50.32 | fozzmoo | Sargun: be nice! |
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| 14:52.40 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: be nice. |
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| 15:37.40 | Jayce^ | in-n-out in AF/Lehi now :/ |
| 15:38.15 | Jayce^ | that AF Main street offramp/intersection is going to be *horrible* now |
| 15:41.24 | Sargun_Screen | they have in and outs out there now? |
| 15:41.51 | Sargun_Screen | i didn't think utah was developed to the point where they had latter generations of fast food establishments. |
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| 16:26.57 | atoponce | Sargun_Screen: are you serious? what do think happens in utah? just curious. punch of pioneers riding horse back? |
| 16:27.29 | elg | punch those pioneers |
| 16:27.53 | eightyeight | s/punch/bunch/ |
| 16:27.55 | eightyeight | so sue me |
| 16:28.01 | elg | s/sue/punch/ |
| 16:28.07 | eightyeight | ~punch elg |
| 16:28.08 | ibot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches elg right on the nose |
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| 16:59.24 | Jayce^ | wow, these are awesome: http://www.awkwardvalentines.com/ |
| 16:59.25 | brac | [Awkward Valentines : Because Romance is SO Last Year] |
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| 17:06.24 | maquis | ~lart thesuperbigfrog |
| 17:06.24 | ibot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at thesuperbigfrog |
| 17:20.08 | jshipley | just found mp3report, which generates an html report of all mp3's under a directory. |
| 17:20.28 | jshipley | Is there a similar program that also works for wmas and oggs? |
| 17:42.17 | eightyeight | are bluetooth 2.1 connections encrypted by default? seems to me that's the case, and the reason for the pin before joining the pan |
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| 17:45.22 | Tene_ | Yeah, because it's so hard to brute-force "0000" |
| 17:45.23 | Tene_ | ;) |
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| 17:49.30 | Jayce^ | oooh, shotgun gardening: http://www.livevideo.com/video/embedLink/0E7DA12D722B474D92CD72EE883BF594/614146/shotgun-gardening.aspx |
| 17:50.29 | eightyeight | oh, i'm not concerned about the strength of the encryption, as much as the underlying protocol |
| 17:54.27 | Tene_ | http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=64148432914&h=VcPuJ&u=ZwP-J |
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| 18:34.22 | jshipley | Tene_ what is that link for? |
| 18:37.51 | ^Migs^ | Crook foiled by wedgie: http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6922640 |
| 18:41.42 | elg | meerkat crooks? |
| 18:43.32 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 18:44.04 | ^Migs^ | http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6907174 |
| 18:44.05 | ^Migs^ | here we go |
| 18:44.11 | ^Migs^ | though those meerkats are freakin cute |
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| 19:04.30 | unum | are there any ignite people on here |
| 19:04.50 | elg | i can start a fire with one match |
| 19:11.35 | ^Migs^ | combusts |
| 19:14.20 | Supaplex | and he thought mexican food wasn't a hazard |
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| 19:31.33 | Tene_ | jshipley: I got a link from facebook and forgot to get the browser to show only the appropriate frame before copying the url |
| 19:31.57 | Tene_ | jshipley: http://failblog.org/2009/02/19/stats-fail/ is what I meant to post |
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| 20:18.22 | ^Migs^ | For once, I wish I remembered Calculus. I'm trying to write a scheduling app that maximizes and creates a "best fit" for all users. |
| 20:19.35 | ^Migs^ | I guess I could use the bin packing algorithm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_packing_problem |
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| 20:29.02 | brac | resizes Tene's terminal to 40x24 |
| 20:29.34 | ^Migs^ | http://i.gizmodo.com/5157354/boy-killed-anally-when-office-chair-explodes |
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| 21:00.49 | ^Migs^ | "This is my second message. You people obviously thought my first message was joke. Well it wasn't. I am completely serious. Your default desktop on all of your school computers looks like a human penis. As I wrote before, if you look at the white swirls in the middle you can clearly see it. I dont know if the designer did this on purpose but me and my fellow classmates ask you to change it." |
| 21:01.00 | RyanE | heh |
| 21:01.07 | ^Migs^ | poor gutter-minded kid |
| 21:01.18 | RyanE | seriously, I think the *second* message is also a joke... :) |
| 21:01.21 | ^Migs^ | I just saw the graphic. It's kind of a stretch, but I did see what he's talking about. |
| 21:01.32 | RyanE | NSFW link? :) |
| 21:01.39 | ^Migs^ | I'm trying to get the graphic |
| 21:04.37 | ^Migs^ | http://notalwaysright.com/this-quote-brought-to-you-by-the-number-two/1578 |
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| 21:22.58 | elg | ^Migs^: you're right, that doesn't look anything like it |
| 21:23.22 | elg | in fact it looks an awful lot like text |
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| 21:24.04 | brac | forces Lone_Wanderer to use words like "irregardless" and "administrate" (thereby sounding like a real dumbass)" |
| 21:25.10 | ^Migs^ | here's the graphic |
| 21:25.12 | ^Migs^ | WARNING NSFW http://www.justinreeve.com/wallpaper2.2.jpg |
| 21:26.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Not safe for whose work? |
| 21:26.30 | jshipley | I don't see anything phallic there at all |
| 21:26.38 | ^Migs^ | I can kind of see it |
| 21:26.41 | ^Migs^ | look right in the middle |
| 21:26.57 | ^Migs^ | where it curves to the left |
| 21:27.13 | ^Migs^ | Lone_Wanderer, apparently NSFW for this student |
| 21:27.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Did you get in trouble for it? |
| 21:28.00 | jshipley | Would that student also refuse to watch the little mermaid on principle? |
| 21:28.10 | ^Migs^ | probably |
| 21:28.17 | Lone_Wanderer | joined late apparently. |
| 21:28.24 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 21:28.33 | ^Migs^ | no, a student just complained (twice!) about it looking phallic |
| 21:28.37 | ^Migs^ | it's the background on every school computer |
| 21:28.48 | Lone_Wanderer | A 13 year old boy? |
| 21:29.12 | jshipley | It just looks like swirling lines to me. |
| 21:29.17 | unum | I see a jesus fish :) you better get rid of it because it promotes christianinty |
| 21:29.39 | ^Migs^ | 11th grader actually |
| 21:29.51 | jshipley | hah! I see the penis (and scrotum) now |
| 21:29.57 | jshipley | I guess it can kind of look like that |
| 21:30.08 | unum | any design or reference can be taken sexually if someone wishes |
| 21:30.16 | ^Migs^ | lol, my coworkers saw it right away here |
| 21:30.21 | unum | you should ask if he's getting overly turned on by it :) |
| 21:30.23 | ^Migs^ | guess we know where their mind is |
| 21:30.27 | ^Migs^ | except it's okay for us to be like that :) |
| 21:30.27 | elg | unum: that's such a sexually charged thing to say |
| 21:30.29 | jshipley | It resembles a kneeling man more than it resembles a penis though. |
| 21:30.32 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha unum |
| 21:30.46 | elg | you should change the default background to the little mermaid cover |
| 21:30.47 | ^Migs^ | yeah it does look like someone praying |
| 21:30.54 | ^Migs^ | bwahahaha |
| 21:31.07 | Lone_Wanderer | 11th grade female? >.> |
| 21:31.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Perhaps on the cheerleading team? |
| 21:31.13 | ^Migs^ | of course not |
| 21:31.18 | unum | elg: I'm 30 and single everything I say is sexually charged :) |
| 21:31.21 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 21:31.23 | Lone_Wanderer | (But I guess then she wouldn't be *complaining* that it looks phallic. |
| 21:31.24 | ^Migs^ | that'd be even funnier |
| 21:31.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ) |
| 21:31.25 | ^Migs^ | but no, it's a boy |
| 21:31.37 | ^Migs^ | depends on if she's in denial or not, Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:32.05 | unum | I finally see it. I was looking at the wrong spot |
| 21:32.17 | JoshH | right in the middle |
| 21:32.26 | JoshH | kinda looks like a short one |
| 21:32.30 | unum | it's even in the hole |
| 21:32.43 | goozbach | is this like one of the those magic eye things? |
| 21:32.44 | ^Migs^ | maybe he feels threatened |
| 21:32.57 | ^Migs^ | I don't think it pops out, goozbach |
| 21:33.11 | JoshH | send him a link to meatspin |
| 21:33.18 | ^Migs^ | that should be the new background |
| 21:33.37 | goozbach | ohh, it's the swirls |
| 21:33.41 | goozbach | I see it now |
| 21:34.30 | ^Migs^ | how should I respond to this kid? This could be fun. |
| 21:34.42 | jshipley | Maybe WSD should just say that it's a new part of their sex-ed program, and just leave it as their desktop. |
| 21:34.44 | RyanE | Looks like a cartoon cariacture of a guy with glasses. |
| 21:34.46 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHAHA |
| 21:35.06 | Jayce^ | RyanE: I see that too |
| 21:36.34 | RyanE | if that's some private parts, the owner really should see the doctor about his scrotum cancer. |
| 21:36.35 | jshipley | If you look carefully, you can see darker spots between the glow from the lines about where his eyes would be |
| 21:36.38 | ^Migs^ | awhile ago, when we first launched our blogs, I had a teacher complain about one of the themes, VeggieGraffix (sp?). Apparently all the vegetables were too phallic looking, except she tried to excuse her own dirty mind by thinking, "Well, all my students will think that!" |
| 21:37.22 | elg | "we're sorry. the sick artist has been sacked. please enjoy the new little mermaid desktop" |
| 21:38.02 | RyanE | the problem is, they technically couldn't use little mermaid... copyright and all. |
| 21:38.17 | jshipley | Sorry for going there, but she might think that vegetables look phallic because of her love of cucumbers. |
| 21:38.21 | RyanE | but if they ask nice, they could probably get Brandon Dayton to let them use his pinup graphics. |
| 21:38.33 | elg | :) |
| 21:39.33 | JoshH | i second the "see a doctor" suggestion |
| 21:39.49 | jshipley | You could just use the same wallpaper, but remove all of the lines that are not part of the 'penis' |
| 21:39.59 | RyanE | nice. |
| 21:40.23 | unum | tell him it was designed by the health department since they are not allowed to teach that stuff in class |
| 21:40.29 | unum | they were trying to sneak it in |
| 21:40.55 | ^Migs^ | we'd have to reimage every single machine |
| 21:40.55 | RyanE | tell them that if they can find waldo, they get a prize! |
| 21:41.04 | ^Migs^ | there's thousands of them |
| 21:41.19 | RyanE | and throw them the guy in glasses story. Tell them it was designed by one of the art teachers, and won major awards. |
| 21:41.40 | ^Migs^ | oh yeah! |
| 21:41.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Tell him to shut up and live with it? |
| 21:41.47 | JoshH | put of a pic of the statue that got moved out of sight in bluff or kanab or whatever |
| 21:41.50 | ^Migs^ | yeah I'm doing that right now, Lone_Wanderer, but I'm trying to do it politely |
| 21:42.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Why do you have to be nice about it? |
| 21:42.03 | JoshH | honestly, i probably wouldn't reply at all |
| 21:42.12 | elg | seriously though the appropriate thing is probably to do a back-of-the-envelope estimate of the cost (man-hours, etc.) to reimage them all and pass it upstream |
| 21:42.19 | elg | let the people who get paid to make decisions worry about it |
| 21:42.35 | RyanE | that's certainly the least risky way. |
| 21:42.38 | ^Migs^ | eh |
| 21:42.45 | ^Migs^ | if I'm not so nice, it could come back to bite me |
| 21:42.53 | elg | or, insist on being paid what people who make decisions are paid |
| 21:42.54 | elg | :) |
| 21:43.08 | elg | exactly |
| 21:43.09 | ^Migs^ | student forwards it to my boss |
| 21:43.15 | ^Migs^ | maybe I should just let my boss respond. He'd get a kick out of it. |
| 21:43.26 | elg | parents sue the school district |
| 21:43.36 | elg | utah gets all up in arms |
| 21:43.49 | elg | leaves the nation |
| 21:44.01 | elg | civil (or would it then be international?) war |
| 21:44.01 | RyanE | I don't think that even in Utah that image could be mistaken for pornography (except by horny teens) |
| 21:44.17 | jshipley | make sure that he never looks up at the clouds, who knows what he could see there |
| 21:44.21 | JoshH | he could have just complained to be funny and probably doesn't really care |
| 21:44.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Tell him if he thinks it looks phallic it's because he's been watching too much gay porn. |
| 21:44.33 | ^Migs^ | never underestimate the imagination of a horny teen |
| 21:44.35 | RyanE | Lone_Wanderer: HAH! |
| 21:44.40 | jshipley | maybe we need to create some sort of ceiling to protect our children from clouds |
| 21:45.00 | ^Migs^ | Thanks for your comment and concern. I had a difficult time seeing anything in the image, but I can assure you, any such representation was completely unintentional. We've decided it would be more troublesome than it's worth to replace the image on each desktop, since it would require reimaging every single machine. We may change the background in the future, but I would just ignore it for now, and rest assured that there wasn't any malicious i |
| 21:45.00 | ^Migs^ | ntent on the part of our designer. |
| 21:45.08 | ^Migs^ | P.S. Try watching less gay porn. |
| 21:45.12 | Lone_Wanderer | If you can see a dick in that, you must have dicks on the brain, and that only happens if you're GAY. You're not gay, are you? ARE YOU? Okay then, there's non penis in this image. |
| 21:45.26 | unum | seconds that |
| 21:45.46 | Lone_Wanderer | no penis* |
| 21:45.48 | RyanE | yeah, that P.S. won't get you fired or anything, no... |
| 21:46.05 | ^Migs^ | I would TOTALLY do that if I hated my job and wanted to get fired |
| 21:46.13 | redbeard2 | what the... man, you step away from #utah for a few minutes, and it all just falls apart |
| 21:46.18 | ^Migs^ | though with my luck, no one would complain |
| 21:46.27 | RyanE | redbeard2: stop stepping away from #utah, please. |
| 21:46.42 | ^Migs^ | if you wanted to get fired and didn't care about the ramifications, and just wanted to go out with a bang, what would you do? |
| 21:47.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Didn't care about ANY of the ramifications? |
| 21:47.08 | jshipley | ^Migs^: Your message seems polite enough, but still seems firm that you're not going to redo all the computers just to placate him. |
| 21:47.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Or just the "future career" ramifications? |
| 21:47.31 | ^Migs^ | is there some medical term for how the brain "sees" things that aren't there? |
| 21:47.33 | ^Migs^ | like cloud pictures and stuff? |
| 21:47.53 | Lone_Wanderer | asks the Enforcers. |
| 21:49.38 | ^Migs^ | I'll ask chacha |
| 21:49.39 | goozbach | freudian suggestion? |
| 21:49.40 | jshipley | The Rorschach inkblot test (pronounced IPA: ['?o??ax]) is a method of psychological evaluation. Psychologists use this test to try to examine the personality characteristics and emotional functioning of their patients. |
| 21:49.50 | ^Migs^ | oh that's it |
| 21:50.07 | jshipley | I don't know if there is a medical term for it, but it's something that everybody does. |
| 21:50.33 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 21:50.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Rorschach inkblot tests were debunked years ago btw. |
| 21:50.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Just in case anyone's wondering. |
| 21:50.53 | jshipley | wonders what seeing penises in everything signifies about the emotional functioning. |
| 21:51.25 | RyanE | signifies that the endocrine system of the individual is indeed working. |
| 21:51.29 | jshipley | how were they debunked? |
| 21:51.50 | Tene | jshipley: give the same results to 20 different psychs and see if they come to the same conclusions. |
| 21:51.54 | Tene | iirc |
| 21:52.00 | unum | I only see breasts where are you guys seeing a penis :) |
| 21:52.27 | jshipley | Are there any reliable psychological tests? |
| 21:52.39 | ^Migs^ | I don't just see a penis. I see a GIANT penis. What does that mean? |
| 21:52.49 | elg | if you're running around tearing your hair out screaming "DUCK DUCK DUCK" |
| 21:52.59 | elg | that's a pretty good indicator you're failing a psychological test |
| 21:54.11 | Tene | what if I'm tearing *your* hair out? |
| 21:54.56 | jshipley | Besides, assuming that the tests were administered and evaluated according to the book, 20 different psychs would come to exactly the same conclusions -- as long as the patient answered in the same way to all of them |
| 21:54.57 | RyanE | elg: what if the duck is out to get you? |
| 21:55.41 | jshipley | That doesn't mean that the interpretations would be correct, and relies way too much on the psychs being perfect. |
| 21:55.45 | elg | carry on then |
| 21:56.14 | jshipley | elg: It could also be a sign that somebody is trying to warn everybody about a sniper, but nobody is listening. |
| 21:59.18 | jshipley | I don't believe that Rorschach tests are great, but I do believe that a lot of Psychiatry is probably guess-work at best. |
| 22:01.11 | unum | jshipley: according to the wikipedia page differenty psychs come up with different answers |
| 22:01.14 | tensai | maquis: ping |
| 22:01.30 | unum | i like the part about bras |
| 22:02.48 | tensai | RyanE: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you |
| 22:03.01 | RyanE | tensai: egggsactly. |
| 22:03.04 | RyanE | duck! |
| 22:03.42 | jshipley | So, unreliable, but they might still be useful to try to get into somebody's mind. |
| 22:03.59 | jshipley | Of course, good, directed conversation can probably do even better. |
| 22:04.33 | RyanE | Bwahahaha! You thought that was a *banana!*... You're *crazy!*... |
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| 22:08.30 | ^Migs^ | man, I'm out of my league with this scheduler app. I'm trying to draw up a flowchart of it, and just drawing blanks. |
| 22:14.55 | elg | well, it's hard to mess up when drawing blanks |
| 22:15.02 | elg | even art critics can't tell when you do |
| 22:15.09 | ^Migs^ | it's really the safe way to go |
| 22:15.15 | ^Migs^ | that way you never fail! |
| 22:15.55 | unum | input date;input time;input event->database;request event;database->screen |
| 22:16.01 | unum | see that was easy |
| 22:24.31 | Sargun | Does anyone know of any cheap, decent layer 3 switches with OSPF? |
| 22:33.15 | tensai | aren't layer 3 switches called "routers"? |
| 22:34.01 | tensai | vyatta supports ospf, iirc |
| 22:37.38 | Sargun | hehe |
| 22:37.47 | Sargun | tensai, yeah, I'm hoping something with hardware failover |
| 22:38.26 | Sargun | ^Migs^, eh? What are you scheduling? |
| 22:38.31 | Sargun | timer:schedule... |
| 22:38.48 | tensai | Sargun: how about you stand next to it with a spare. if it ever fails, you swap it in. |
| 22:38.52 | ^Migs^ | We're changing how we're registering everyone for our next BrainBlast conference this summer. |
| 22:39.22 | Sargun | tensai, not quite. |
| 22:39.25 | ^Migs^ | Basically, it's going to be a lottery. We'll draw 300 people at random. They will each have a "preferred list" of classes they want to take, but ultimately we'll decide what they get. And then we'll fit them into classes. |
| 22:39.41 | Sargun | ^Migs^, brain blast? |
| 22:39.44 | ^Migs^ | We'll have a list of classes. Stuff like blogs, VoiceThreads, document cameras |
| 22:39.50 | Supaplex | pew pew pew! |
| 22:39.55 | elg | a constraint problem |
| 22:39.57 | ^Migs^ | BrainBlast = our school district's annual technology conference for teachers |
| 22:40.03 | tensai | Sargun: two devices or a single device with two ports? |
| 22:40.25 | Sargun | two devices would be nice |
| 22:40.43 | Sargun | We're using 3750Es right now, but they're a tiny bit pricy |
| 22:40.47 | Sargun | pricey |
| 22:40.54 | Sargun | for this environment |
| 22:41.14 | ^Migs^ | the problem is that how many of each class that gets taught, depends on the general interest in the class. |
| 22:41.32 | elg | ^Migs^: would brute force be sufficient? |
| 22:41.36 | ^Migs^ | I think it might have to be |
| 22:41.50 | ^Migs^ | I just don't want this to take forever to process. |
| 22:41.54 | elg | figure out a way to calculate a score to any given set |
| 22:41.56 | ^Migs^ | The other problem is, I have to account for people dropping out |
| 22:42.08 | elg | then run it brute force |
| 22:42.17 | elg | if that's too expensive, then use a heuristic like greedy or A* |
| 22:42.24 | ^Migs^ | The other OTHER problem is, I have to simulataneously calculate which timeslot a person and the class fits in |
| 22:43.11 | ^Migs^ | At least from what I can see. Mainly because how else would I know whether the timeslot is the proper one? |
| 22:43.29 | elg | so like you go through the timeslots and grab the people who prefer that timeslot first |
| 22:43.30 | ^Migs^ | I think basically the approach is to just cram everyone into available slots. Then do a ton of shuffling and swapping until everything fits |
| 22:43.47 | elg | then when you get to the end of the timeslots, calculate the score. if it's the best so far, save that one as a possible winner |
| 22:43.53 | Sargun | ^Migs^, write it in Haskell |
| 22:44.08 | elg | then backtrack and tweak it, and walk through the search space that way |
| 22:44.21 | fozzmoo | I wrote a scheduling system for a company about 8 years ago. |
| 22:44.21 | elg | that's basically A* search, and there's no doube cool web pages on it |
| 22:44.23 | ^Migs^ | I was hoping to avoid that |
| 22:44.31 | fozzmoo | So, been there, done that... have sympathy for you. |
| 22:44.43 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 22:44.45 | elg | the proper language with memoization would make it not tooo painful |
| 22:44.47 | ^Migs^ | brute force it is |
| 22:44.55 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 22:45.12 | elg | note what i just outlined is like brute force but if you have to exit early you hopefully have a decent guess |
| 22:45.18 | ^Migs^ | I haven't decided what to code it in yet, but I'm not sure I have time to learn a new language. This has to be done by April 1st, and I have lots more on my plate |
| 22:45.25 | elg | provided the heuristic you choose has any relevance |
| 22:45.41 | elg | do you know python or ruby? |
| 22:45.48 | ^Migs^ | beginner's knowledge |
| 22:45.55 | ^Migs^ | perhaps that's enough |
| 22:46.24 | elg | http://rubyquiz.com/quiz42.html |
| 22:46.35 | elg | maybe you can base your work on somebody's solution to that |
| 22:46.55 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 22:46.59 | elg | not exactly the same problem, but similar |
| 22:47.03 | ^Migs^ | that was something you assigned to your students? |
| 22:47.18 | ^Migs^ | do you actually teach? |
| 22:47.22 | elg | no, a quiz i submitted to the ruby community for the weekly ruby quiz |
| 22:47.26 | ^Migs^ | I just realized I don't know much about what you do |
| 22:47.28 | elg | or what was once weekly |
| 22:47.30 | ^Migs^ | oh okay |
| 22:47.32 | elg | i don't remember if they still do it |
| 22:47.42 | ^Migs^ | I've looked at scheduler algorithms and code, but ours is just so specific |
| 22:47.43 | elg | i do teach some |
| 22:48.01 | elg | right now i'm avoiding grading a particuarly not-exciting lab |
| 22:49.07 | unum | that sounds like a problem I had that was np-complete |
| 22:49.43 | elg | you think it's hard to dream up a scheduling app. just try figuring out what twisted logic some of these students are using |
| 22:49.48 | unum | that's probably still the most difficult thing I've ever written |
| 22:50.02 | unum | mine was a quota testing app |
| 22:50.46 | unum | the basic idea is you are surveying a bunch of people and have several different criteria you have to fill |
| 22:51.31 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 22:51.34 | unum | the program needs to be able to find the combination of surveys that most closely meets the criteria |
| 22:52.05 | unum | usually selecting 600 out of 605 or so |
| 22:52.31 | unum | there's more to it then that, but I never manage to explain the rest right |
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| 22:53.25 | ^Migs^ | I'll recruit some of the minds we have here. We have some good algorithm gurus here. |
| 22:54.04 | ^Migs^ | gotta go, bye everyone |
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| 22:59.23 | unum | are there any ignite planners in here? |
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