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| 00:10.53 | harleypig | anyone know if bitlbee can lookup an ldap server? |
| 00:13.35 | Tene_ | Anyone with kerberos-fu around? |
| 00:22.42 | maquis | ~date |
| 00:22.43 | ibot | It is now 2009.02.19 0:22:43 GMT |
| 00:22.50 | maquis | ~date sjansen |
| 00:22.51 | ibot | you date sjansen |
| 00:23.08 | maquis | ibot: no. you. |
| 00:31.25 | maquis | hrmmm.. |
| 00:31.37 | maquis | i should probably fix that |
| 00:33.56 | maquis | sei think my bios clock is set in PST (UTC+8) and my computer thinks the bios clock is in UTC, so it's adding 8 again... |
| 00:35.02 | maquis | or perhaps i've got my times backwards and it's subtracting 8 twice |
| 00:35.05 | maquis | i don't really know |
| 00:35.21 | maquis | looks like it's subtracting 8 twice |
| 00:41.06 | Sargun_Screen | maquis: what distro? |
| 00:41.35 | Sargun_Screen | the best one ever? (gentoo) |
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| 00:53.21 | Tene_ | Bah. Looks like the only way to try to authenticate against multiple unrelated realms with kerberos is to do trickery with env variables to get different processes to look in a different credential cache. |
| 00:53.35 | maquis | Sargun_Screen: no... debian for now |
| 00:53.57 | elg | ~dmz maquis |
| 00:54.02 | Tene_ | At least MIT kerberos. |
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| 01:15.52 | elg | insane http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7898323.stm |
| 01:15.55 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Business | US chain smoker's widow gets $8m] |
| 01:19.53 | maquis | did they claim that he didn't know it would cause cancer or something? |
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| 01:31.40 | elg | maquis: the insanity is the 8 million |
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| 02:31.08 | *** topic/#utah is http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | We're going to need another Timmy. |
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| 02:31.12 | elg | padded with whatever you like |
| 02:31.43 | Sargun_Screen | Ok, I care about colissions more than that |
| 02:32.01 | Sargun_Screen | well, all my inputs may actually be 64-bits |
| 02:32.54 | Sargun_Screen | I still have to consider that |
| 02:33.08 | Sargun_Screen | grrr, typing with lag is annoying |
| 02:33.14 | elg | http://www.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/sci.crypt/2005-12/msg00839.html (though that doesn't address performance) |
| 02:33.16 | brac | [Re: MD5P (Variable length hash, kindof)] |
| 02:33.30 | Sargun_Screen | hehe |
| 02:35.31 | elg | why not just repeat the md5 hash and truncate |
| 02:36.02 | Sargun_Screen | well, yeah, that works, what's the speed of md5 |
| 02:38.02 | Sargun_Screen | the reason O got the idea to do a prime number multiplication is because that's what java does. |
| 02:41.33 | elg | http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/hash.html |
| 02:41.34 | brac | [Hash functions.] |
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| 02:56.59 | brac | knocks two of Tene's teeth out with a 2x4 |
| 03:14.34 | elg | what if you have two lines in /etc/aliases for the same user? |
| 03:35.57 | elg | tensai: ping |
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| 04:07.31 | levi | Someone wrote an id3 parser in Factor: http://github.com/inforichland/factor-id3/blob/60b40302f991ffeaad1433b6c21aa480c802e469/extra/id3/id3.factor |
| 04:16.22 | levi | Whee, the Utah legislature killed HB160. |
| 04:19.26 | levi | Grr. |
| 04:23.17 | tensai | elg: pong |
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| 04:34.14 | elg | nm |
| 04:34.29 | elg | what's hb160? |
| 04:41.23 | fozzmoo | Now Jon Huntsman will never be president! |
| 04:41.51 | JoshH | i would vote for him |
| 04:42.16 | JoshH | he's one of the better politicians out there, and blows away most republicans, especially the utah variety |
| 04:42.55 | fozzmoo | My problem with him at this moment is that he's fighting for issues that nobody in his state really cares about. |
| 04:43.12 | JoshH | some people care |
| 04:43.27 | fozzmoo | Sure, *some* people care. |
| 04:43.27 | JoshH | but ya, i know what you mean |
| 04:43.31 | JoshH | he isn't pandering to his base :) |
| 04:43.43 | fozzmoo | He's only pandering to one thing: his ambitions. |
| 04:43.57 | fozzmoo | And not to his consituency |
| 04:43.58 | JoshH | as long as he does a good job though, nothing wrong with that |
| 04:44.07 | JoshH | he does have pretty high approval ratings |
| 04:44.15 | fozzmoo | I'm not pissed enough to vote for someone else. |
| 04:44.19 | fozzmoo | I'm just... disappointed. |
| 04:44.21 | JoshH | they though were apparently dinged a bit yesterday |
| 04:44.29 | fozzmoo | Esp. about the global warming crap. |
| 04:44.39 | fozzmoo | Emphasis on "crap." |
| 04:45.00 | JoshH | meh, global warming is a wedge issue |
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| 04:45.42 | JoshH | people should quit arguing about whether we are making the planet warmer, and get to work on creating a huge industry based on renewable, green energy |
| 04:46.41 | fozzmoo | I'm all for renewable green energy. I'm also for burning fossil fuels efficiently until we get there. |
| 04:47.09 | JoshH | i am too, but i don't think we need to resort to drilling near national parks yet |
| 04:47.32 | fozzmoo | Drill where there's oil, I say. |
| 04:47.38 | fozzmoo | Or natural gas. |
| 04:47.50 | fozzmoo | If it's near a natural park, put a visitors center there too. :) |
| 04:47.52 | JoshH | natural gas is slowing down right now actually |
| 04:47.58 | JoshH | vernal is finally busting |
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| 04:49.04 | JoshH | father in law there was just laid off from a 30 year career, because they simply don't have any use for further drilling right now |
| 04:50.02 | JoshH | i think we do need drilling where it makes sense, but sensible conservation measures that started when the gas prices got so high are making a difference |
| 04:50.09 | JoshH | we don't need to burn through oil so fast |
| 04:57.14 | levi | JoshH: C'mon, "Drill, baby, drill!" |
| 04:58.16 | JoshH | heh |
| 04:58.37 | levi | I'm glad we're not drilling for oil near parks. |
| 04:59.07 | JoshH | besides, that whole deal had all the markings of a political giveaway |
| 04:59.18 | JoshH | so i'm glad they caught it |
| 04:59.20 | levi | I'm also glad Huntsman is standing for what he believes in instead of pandering to the right-wingers. |
| 05:01.10 | JoshH | i completely understand that the typical religious person has an aversion to the idea of gay "marriage", and thinks gay people are gross, etc. but i can't understand the logic that kills a bill allowing basic things like these ones did |
| 05:01.34 | levi | I don't think there's really any sound logic behind it, just hatred of gayness. |
| 05:01.49 | levi | And paranoia about gay activists. |
| 05:01.50 | JoshH | i know one thing though, they might as well not bother trying to get anything passed again until buttars is out of the picture |
| 05:02.50 | JoshH | & |
| 05:03.41 | fozzmoo | I am for domestic partnerships/civil unions for gays. |
| 05:04.04 | fozzmoo | I actually agree with Buttars' recent comments... just wish he'd keep his mouth shut. :) |
| 05:04.17 | fozzmoo | The man has no tact and his way of wording things only gets him in trouble. |
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| 05:09.47 | Sargun | fozzmoo, why call it anything different? |
| 05:10.26 | fozzmoo | Sargun: ?? |
| 05:10.36 | Sargun | <fozzmoo> I am for domestic partnerships/civil unions for gays. < Just call it marriage |
| 05:10.43 | Sargun | there is no difference |
| 05:10.47 | fozzmoo | I can't call it marriage. Marriage has special meaning for me. |
| 05:11.08 | Sargun | So? Who cares about _you_ in the big picture? |
| 05:11.22 | Sargun | Humans don't survive as one, they survive as many. |
| 05:11.27 | Sargun | And that's just based on a book. |
| 05:11.34 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Haven't you heard?! It's all about ME! |
| 05:12.03 | elg | just call it garriage |
| 05:12.19 | elg | and on forms, just put [mg]arried |
| 05:12.25 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 05:12.27 | jessie | What's the setting for named.local.options that allows the server to update slaves? |
| 05:12.27 | jessie | notify {ip;}; |
| 05:12.27 | jessie | ? |
| 05:12.30 | jessie | In bind..... |
| 05:12.51 | elg | to update slaves? you mean to send notifies or to allow axfr? |
| 05:13.04 | Sargun | elg, you'd want to do both |
| 05:13.04 | jessie | allow axfr |
| 05:13.12 | elg | sargun: exactly |
| 05:13.27 | jessie | Well then.... help? lol |
| 05:13.28 | elg | allow-notify and allow-transfer, iirc |
| 05:13.41 | levi | elg: hb160 was to provide hospital visitation rights and such for gay couples in Utah. |
| 05:13.46 | Sargun | elg is right. |
| 05:13.48 | elg | well, allow-notify is for the client |
| 05:13.50 | elg | http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/xfer.html |
| 05:13.52 | brac | [DNS BIND Zone Transfers and Updates] |
| 05:13.54 | elg | s/client/slave/ |
| 05:13.57 | jessie | Oh! :) |
| 05:13.59 | jessie | Beautiful! |
| 05:14.06 | jessie | THat was just what I needed Sargun |
| 05:14.11 | jessie | Had a server fail last night, see... |
| 05:14.47 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Anyways, your idea of marriage being special is only based on some books that some guys penned several centuries ago. |
| 05:15.45 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Is it? |
| 05:15.51 | Sargun | yes. |
| 05:15.58 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Explain that to me. |
| 05:16.02 | Sargun | Is there anything contradicting me |
| 05:16.07 | Sargun | Assume some guys penned the book. |
| 05:16.09 | Sargun | QED |
| 05:16.21 | Sargun | If I started obsessing about hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy, built giant buildings with 42 engraved into the side of them, required all members to carry towels, and followed a "guide to the galaxy" - would you listen to me if I wanted towels that people didn't use "holy ways" to be thrown in jail? |
| 05:16.22 | elg | Sargun: well it seems fozzmoo is contradicting you :) |
| 05:16.31 | levi | Sargun: You are an idiot. |
| 05:16.54 | Sargun | elg, but he doesn't matter. I thought we already established this. |
| 05:17.17 | elg | but you said "your idea of ..." |
| 05:17.41 | elg | he says you're wrong, and since it's his idea it hardly matters whether he matters, you're still wrong |
| 05:17.43 | Sargun | elg, ok, well, tell him to contradict me with a fact. |
| 05:17.49 | Sargun | and back up his fact with proof. |
| 05:17.49 | fozzmoo | I like to think my ideas are based, in part, on biology. |
| 05:17.56 | elg | fact: his idea is his, not yours |
| 05:18.34 | Sargun | Good point, I won't go corrupting someone else's imagination. |
| 05:19.18 | levi | Sargun: Please stop being an idiot. |
| 05:19.29 | Sargun | Alright, now that I've officially pissed off everyone, I'm leaving, thank you, and good night. :-) |
| 05:19.33 | levi | (It will be hard for you, I know, but please try) |
| 05:21.39 | JoshH | fozzmoo: bringing up biology is fine and dandy, but it's really a question of liberty |
| 05:22.03 | fozzmoo | It's a silly question of liberty. |
| 05:22.09 | JoshH | it is to you |
| 05:22.14 | JoshH | but not for those that want it |
| 05:22.38 | fozzmoo | I'm serious, tho... If we legalize same-sex domestic partnerships, they get what they want. |
| 05:22.54 | fozzmoo | All they have to complain about then is that it's not called "marriage" and that's just silly. |
| 05:23.00 | JoshH | that's perfectly reasonable, imo |
| 05:23.27 | jessie | Hmmm.... Well, i have a slight problem. I'm trying to allow for a "Secondary" Zone in Windows Server 2003 |
| 05:23.36 | JoshH | this bill that got killed was just about certain rights and privileges, without even making it a civil union, and a lot of gay couples would have been completely satisfied just with that |
| 05:23.36 | levi | fozzmoo: I don't think it's silly that they'd want the legitimization that the name brings. |
| 05:23.41 | fozzmoo | jessie: There's your problem! |
| 05:23.45 | jessie | But I get no further than Sending Notifications... |
| 05:23.50 | jessie | fozzmoo: Not my choice. haha |
| 05:25.04 | fozzmoo | That legitimization, IMO, is akin to granting fish permission to live out of water. |
| 05:25.26 | fozzmoo | It's silly. |
| 05:25.43 | JoshH | i don't think the state's interest in promoting traditional familes that reproduce biologically and all that is compelling enough to justify preventing citizens from doing something they want to do, and that doesn't hurt anyone else. |
| 05:25.56 | JoshH | if gay couples were getting married, it would have absolutely zero effect on my life or yours |
| 05:26.05 | JoshH | but to them, it would mean a lot |
| 05:26.07 | JoshH | so why deny them that? |
| 05:26.18 | fozzmoo | I disagree that it would have zero effect on my life or yours. |
| 05:26.55 | JoshH | well, i can't imagine mine being negatively impacted in any way |
| 05:27.47 | JoshH | i know gay couples that have been together longer than i've been alive. they practically are married, except for the legal bits. |
| 05:28.52 | JoshH | look at suze orman (i didn't know she was a lesbian until recently), she is worried about estate taxes and similar financial and inheritance issues with her long term partner |
| 05:29.40 | fozzmoo | Most of us were raised in an environment where a stable, mother-father marriage is the touchstone of stability. Marriage and parenthood within marriage have long been elevated as the pristine and ultimate social condition for children psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually. |
| 05:30.15 | fozzmoo | While good kids can be raised in single-parent (or no-parent) homes, conventional wisdom (and lots of studies) tells us that it aint so. |
| 05:30.37 | JoshH | sure, i won't argue with that |
| 05:30.45 | fozzmoo | Over the last 50 years, our culture has slowly been losing respect for that arrangement. |
| 05:30.57 | JoshH | yes, definitely |
| 05:31.02 | fozzmoo | The reverence is disappearing. |
| 05:31.09 | JoshH | but i think it has more to do with the economy than it does morality |
| 05:31.28 | JoshH | households where both parents work and the kids have no supervision all day are a big part of the problem |
| 05:31.43 | fozzmoo | I can't follow you down that rabbit hole.... |
| 05:31.54 | fozzmoo | but it does make some sense. |
| 05:32.18 | fozzmoo | People who are opposed to gay marriage see this issue as the last "line in the sand" |
| 05:32.22 | JoshH | if you support civil unions, then we actually agree. the difference is, i don't think using the word marriage is a big enough deal to actually worry about |
| 05:32.29 | fozzmoo | I don't speak for all of them... I just understand this bit. |
| 05:32.56 | fozzmoo | I think if we grant civil unions and maintain the "integrity" of the term "marriage" then everyone doesn't lose, in their mind. |
| 05:33.13 | fozzmoo | I've got many gay friends and family, actually. |
| 05:33.30 | fozzmoo | My uncle was gay and lived with his partner for many years before he killed himself. |
| 05:33.41 | JoshH | to me, a marriage is a commitment between people that also has legal implications. i don't see any deeper "sacred" meaning to it, like religious people do |
| 05:34.37 | fozzmoo | JoshH: you don't have to be religious to at least accept that there are societal implications to a strong reverence toward marriage and parenthood within marriage. |
| 05:34.55 | fozzmoo | Marriage as an "institution." |
| 05:35.54 | JoshH | i do, believe me. but i know that my marriage wouldn't mean any less to me, and it's the most important thing to me in the world other than my daughter, if other adults in non-traditional relationships wanted to make the same commitment to eachother. |
| 05:36.24 | JoshH | i'm sorry that your uncle killed himself |
| 05:36.36 | fozzmoo | Me too. He was a good guy. |
| 05:37.01 | JoshH | as for kids |
| 05:37.25 | JoshH | i think gay adoption is a separate issue, and i do think that all things being equal, an adoption agency should try placing kids with a mother and a father before a gay couple, if possible |
| 05:37.35 | JoshH | i only know one person who was raised by gay parents |
| 05:37.42 | JoshH | both lesbians |
| 05:37.50 | JoshH | and he's about as upstanding a citizen as it gets |
| 05:38.16 | JoshH | went to cornell, became a tax lawyer, very active in his community, very honest and nice guy, etc |
| 05:38.52 | JoshH | so my gut feeling isn't so much that the gender or orientation of the parents matter, it's simply the quality of the parenting and the amount of effort the parents put into it. |
| 05:39.45 | fozzmoo | I've heard that one group of people pushing for gay marriage are lawyers. :) |
| 05:40.12 | JoshH | heh |
| 05:40.45 | JoshH | seriously though, i think the vast majority of gay couples out there would be perfectly satisfied with civil unions or even benefits like the ones in the bills killed today |
| 05:41.07 | JoshH | sure, they do want to be considered legitimate, and to be accepted, who wouldn't? |
| 05:41.15 | JoshH | but it's not the core of the issue |
| 05:41.40 | levi | I want one of these: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/nvidia-ion-platform-gets-demonstrated-at-ces/ |
| 05:41.41 | brac | [NVIDIA Ion platform gets demonstrated at CES - Engadget] |
| 05:41.52 | fozzmoo | Most of the gays I know aren't really the type to want to draw a lot of attention to their orientation in the first place. |
| 05:41.57 | levi | Perfect HD MythTV frontend! |
| 05:42.17 | fozzmoo | levi: Indeed. |
| 05:42.32 | JoshH | i'd love to build a nice myth box if i could use it with directv |
| 05:42.53 | JoshH | with HD preserved and all that |
| 05:43.55 | JoshH | personally, i think the bigger threat to society/america/marriage/etc is the high divorce rate |
| 05:44.11 | JoshH | people don't take the commitment as seriously as they used to in the past, and people also rush into marriage too quickly |
| 05:44.44 | JoshH | that more than anything has reduced the importance of "marriage as an institution" |
| 05:44.47 | levi | JoshH: I think there's a box you can get now that takes analog component HD video input and re-compresses it. |
| 05:45.09 | JoshH | there probably is, i need to look into it eventually |
| 05:45.20 | Supaplex | nudges JoshH off balance |
| 05:45.27 | fozzmoo | Does the DirecTV receiver have HDMI out? |
| 05:45.53 | levi | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| 05:45.55 | brac | [HD PVR Product overview] |
| 05:46.03 | JoshH | not mine, but it's SD and a couple years old |
| 05:46.09 | JoshH | i need to upgrade |
| 05:46.43 | fozzmoo | Fascinating. |
| 05:46.58 | fozzmoo | Sucks that it's analog, but it's probably sufficient. |
| 05:47.42 | fozzmoo | I'm debating whether or not to just upgrade to Dish HD |
| 05:47.51 | levi | Well, it does mean you don't have to deal with content protection. |
| 05:48.05 | JoshH | when i last looked, directv had better packages than dish |
| 05:48.35 | JoshH | the dish package that's the same price as my directv service wouldn't have included science channel, national geographic, military channel, etc |
| 05:49.00 | levi | HDHomerun, which is what I have, will let you view all unencrypted channels and save the digital stream directly. |
| 05:49.26 | Supaplex | ouu <3ly |
| 05:50.24 | JoshH | directv does have terrible service reps though |
| 05:50.42 | JoshH | i'm usually patient with call center droids, but theirs are especially tough to get anything accomplished with |
| 05:51.21 | JoshH | but it's worth it for the superior product, i think |
| 05:53.27 | fozzmoo | I've been a Dish customer since `96. :-/ |
| 05:53.37 | fozzmoo | Er. `97, I guess. |
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| 05:53.58 | fozzmoo | Never been real disappointed. |
| 05:54.23 | JoshH | once you have the channels you want, it's largely preference i guess |
| 05:54.30 | JoshH | either way it beats comcast |
| 05:54.35 | JoshH | but i prefer directv's guide |
| 05:54.47 | fozzmoo | Yeah, we have the cheapest package there is right now: Dish Family. |
| 05:54.49 | Supaplex | a wet diaper in your salad bowl beats comcast |
| 05:54.50 | fozzmoo | $20/mo |
| 05:54.56 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: Yep! |
| 05:55.02 | JoshH | also, my understanding is that directv has the exclusive sports packages, but i'm not sure and i don't use them |
| 05:55.16 | fozzmoo | yeah- I've heard that about DTV too... and I don't care either. |
| 05:56.00 | fozzmoo | I want Fox News, Discovery, Science Channel, Fox Business, and, if I can pick and choose, I'd like to NOT have Disney. :) |
| 05:56.11 | JoshH | oh man, disney is a lifesaver for me |
| 05:56.36 | JoshH | put the kid in front the disney shows on the DVR, and i can do anything i need to get done without interruption for at least an hour |
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| 05:56.58 | JoshH | the downside is, i hum the theme songs to the kids shows all day and can't stop |
| 05:57.05 | fozzmoo | We have Boomerang. That's plenty lifesaving and I don't have to worry about my kids getting Disney crap shoved down their eye sockets. |
| 05:57.28 | JoshH | i do plan to do everything in my power to shield my girl from hannah montana though |
| 05:57.35 | JoshH | or whatever the equivalent is in a few years |
| 05:57.48 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 05:59.31 | levi | Ugh, Fox News. |
| 06:00.19 | levi | I get Qubo for free OTA, which is 24/7 cartoons that are a bit more education-oriented than Disney Channel stuff. |
| 06:00.22 | JoshH | fox news itself isn't bad, but hannity and o'reilly make my blood boil when i give in and watch them |
| 06:00.46 | fozzmoo | I'm not a fan of Hannity. |
| 06:01.06 | fozzmoo | O'Reilly... he thinks he's profound and important. :) |
| 06:01.09 | fozzmoo | Not so much. |
| 06:01.17 | JoshH | i guess they actually have rather large audiences of liberal masochists |
| 06:02.20 | levi | But they've got Glenn Beck now, which certainly makes it a must-have for fozzmoo, the biggest Beck fan in the world. :) |
| 06:02.23 | JoshH | i'm not a fan of any pundit, except for bill maher. his politics aside, i think he has the best politics show out there. uncensored, and the guests usually speak insightfully and don't hold anything back |
| 06:02.34 | fozzmoo | levi: Ex-biggest fan. |
| 06:02.51 | fozzmoo | I'm still a fan, but nowhere near as much as I used to be. |
| 06:02.54 | JoshH | beck is a dolt |
| 06:04.11 | levi | JoshH: I agree, but I sometimes feel surrounded by people who adore him. |
| 06:04.49 | JoshH | heh, of course you are |
| 06:05.39 | fozzmoo | he appeals to my feelings that our government is being run by power-hungry weasels (both parties). |
| 06:05.44 | JoshH | he writes well in his columns, but his show is dreadful, and his opinions are usually very simplistic |
| 06:06.52 | JoshH | honestly, even if you can't stand bill maher personally (and even many liberals can't), give his show a chance, the panel discussions are much better than average |
| 06:07.20 | JoshH | plus you get to hear great sarah palin jokes in the opening monologue :) |
| 06:07.24 | fozzmoo | Where is Bill Maher on? |
| 06:07.41 | JoshH | hbo |
| 06:07.51 | fozzmoo | glenn Beck had a member of the Democratic Socialist Party on his show today. |
| 06:08.05 | JoshH | his show has seasons though, and i'm not sure when the new one starts |
| 06:08.10 | fozzmoo | This guy said of the four people who were running for president last year, Palin was the most "socialist" in his opinion. |
| 06:08.28 | JoshH | weird |
| 06:08.30 | fozzmoo | He said this was because she's taking money from the oil companies in Alaska and distributing it to "the people." |
| 06:08.44 | JoshH | heh |
| 06:09.20 | JoshH | see, picking a guest like that is a perfect way to make "democrats" and "socialists" seem laughably stupid |
| 06:10.02 | levi | Which is, of course, his goal. |
| 06:10.09 | JoshH | exactly |
| 06:15.35 | levi | Hmm, rumor has it that Apple is going to use the Ion platform for something. |
| 06:16.14 | Supaplex | ~speculate |
| 06:16.15 | levi | If they put it in the Apple TV, I would buy one immediately. :) |
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| 06:23.23 | fozzmoo | levi: What do you think of this week's Sarah Connor? |
| 06:26.42 | levi | I liked it, though her hallucinations were weird. Good, but not great. |
| 06:26.53 | levi | I really enjoyed Chuck this week, though. |
| 06:28.28 | fozzmoo | Did anyone watch Dollhouse? |
| 06:29.57 | JoshH | the new big love season is shaping up fairly well |
| 06:30.26 | JoshH | other than that, i've only been watching 24 right now |
| 06:34.51 | fozzmoo | How is 24 this year? |
| 06:35.05 | fozzmoo | I watched the DVDs up until S4 or S5 and it just lost my interest. |
| 06:35.28 | JoshH | supposedly it's set in DC instead of LA, even though i recognized scenes at the hotel i stayed at last time i was in LA |
| 06:35.54 | JoshH | it's better than the last few seasons were so far, but not better than the early ones |
| 06:35.58 | fozzmoo | "Setting: Generic Hotel Lobby" |
| 06:36.27 | jessie | I think I officially hate DNS on Windows. |
| 06:36.28 | JoshH | and the technobabble this season this season is the most ridiculous ever |
| 06:36.32 | jessie | Servers that is |
| 06:36.41 | JoshH | only likes bind |
| 06:36.49 | fozzmoo | Really? send it to my screen. |
| 06:37.00 | jessie | fozzmoo: Me? |
| 06:37.07 | JoshH | heh, that's realistic compared to this season |
| 06:37.47 | fozzmoo | Heroes is pulling some of that ridiculous tech now with their govt crackdown on those with powers. |
| 06:38.04 | fozzmoo | "Sir, we just matched a face on a traffic cam in Michigan." |
| 06:38.15 | JoshH | without spoiling much, i'll just say that early on, the plot focuses on a fist size device that controls access to every government computer network and firewall in the country, and can even be used to get into air traffic control and chemical plants, and of course, terrorists have the device |
| 06:38.48 | fozzmoo | Wait a minute... didn't they have something like this a couple seasons ago with the device that could control all nuke power plants? |
| 06:38.56 | JoshH | that was nuke plants only |
| 06:38.59 | JoshH | this is everything |
| 06:39.03 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. |
| 06:39.04 | JoshH | they even locked the fbi out of its own network |
| 06:39.17 | JoshH | ya, it's honestly a ridiculous show, but i can't help it |
| 06:39.21 | fozzmoo | Yeah- that's kind of silly. |
| 06:39.45 | fozzmoo | At least the first couple seasons you were like, "I hope Al Qaeda isn't watching this." |
| 06:40.33 | JoshH | the show has definitely jumped the shark and then some, but this season is somewhat redeeming so far |
| 06:41.30 | JoshH | the 2 hour tv movie that played back in november sets it up, storyline involves an african country with child soldiers and a genocide/dictator coup |
| 06:41.43 | JoshH | and somehow gets to the firewall angle from there |
| 06:43.04 | jessie | JoshH: Yeah, seriously. What kind of firewall would this be anyways? Lets seeeeeee.... lets just lock out that MAC address/IP/Node ID, etc. |
| 06:43.06 | fozzmoo | I just want see Jack say, "Hey Chloe, can you hold on for a sec? I've really got to take a crap." |
| 06:45.21 | JoshH | also, there is a female fbi agent who is becoming jack's protege as an administrator of torture |
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| 06:46.39 | jessie | lol. mhmmmm... but i'm hitting the hay |
| 06:46.42 | jessie | peace out |
| 06:46.52 | fozzmoo | jessie: Good luck with that Windows crap |
| 06:47.13 | fozzmoo | We need t-shirts that just say "STUPID WINDOWS!" |
| 06:47.32 | fozzmoo | We always joked about that around the office when Iodynamics was in business. |
| 06:48.04 | jessie | for reals.... let's get some going at the next plug meeting. ;) |
| 06:48.23 | JoshH | i've never used windows dns, but i can't imagine it being anything but atrocious |
| 06:48.42 | fozzmoo | Heh. Just got e-mail from my dad. I sent him a happy birthday e-mail earlier today. |
| 06:48.46 | fozzmoo | he said, "Hi. Yeah, I had a drug run. Just got home." |
| 06:49.00 | fozzmoo | Just funny getting that from my dad. |
| 06:49.21 | fozzmoo | He's been doing this part time job delivering medicines to nursing homes in the evenings. |
| 06:49.28 | fozzmoo | Now he's taken to calling it "running drugs." |
| 06:49.30 | jessie | It's pretty bad. GUI and such. Plus the log SUCKS. lol..... Or, if I could talk to somebody about getting a DNS slave going.... that's what I want...... |
| 06:49.58 | jessie | I have the master ready to go. Just gotta do the slave. Had one of our servers fail last night, so I need to get a second DNS up soon.... |
| 06:50.23 | jessie | anyways, i'll ttyl. if you would let me use your DNS as a slave, email me at jessie at confettiantiques.com would ya? |
| 06:50.27 | jessie | peace |
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| 07:19.24 | bonez452 | anyone use a blackberry? curious how I could get scripture reader on a new blackberry .. for lds scriptures |
| 07:19.55 | fozzmoo | holds up his Palm Centro and shakes his head |
| 07:20.10 | bonez452 | palm works with a few readers.. but does blackberry? |
| 07:20.18 | bonez452 | is it just you and me, fozzmoo? |
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| 15:15.09 | ^Migs^ | I have a directory containining all my users' blog files, split into subdirectories by their user ids. e.g., /blogs.dir/996, blogs.dir/1000 etc. |
| 15:15.25 | ^Migs^ | Is there any way I can figure out how much space each user is using on average? |
| 15:16.09 | ^Migs^ | I guess I'd just get the total space used and divide by number of directories, never mind |
| 15:17.35 | tensai | JoshH: we have some windows dns to go along with active directory. it's not so bad for just small time domains. |
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| 15:26.16 | tensai | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:26.16 | ibot | executes killall -KILL Jayce^ |
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| 15:26.54 | Jayce^ | falls over.. |
| 15:27.07 | Jayce^ | gets back up as a zombie |
| 15:41.31 | jsmith | executes killall -ZOMBIE Jayce^ |
| 15:41.54 | Jayce^ | ...BRAAAAAAAINS.... |
| 15:43.23 | goozbach | jsmith: run |
| 15:43.29 | goozbach | we need to reboot #utah |
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| 15:43.51 | *** mode/#utah [-m] by goozbach |
| 15:44.22 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.35 | goozbach | still a zombie? |
| 15:44.56 | Jayce^ | dunno, seem fine, but I am a mite bit peckish for something.. |
| 15:45.05 | peno | brains, perhaps? |
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| 16:26.37 | brac | puts lye in Tene's coffee |
| 16:31.01 | elg | -chat ~onjoin sjansen |
| 16:31.01 | brac | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 16:31.15 | elg | ~onjoin sjansen is |
| 16:31.15 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 16:31.21 | elg | -chat ~onjoin sjansen |
| 16:31.29 | elg | -chat ~onjoin sjansen |
| 16:31.29 | brac | ~onjoin sjansen is currently a .rar file.. do I find myself lacking one thing I've ever seen something rehydrated do |
| 16:31.29 | ibot | ok, brac |
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| 16:31.52 | elg | sjansen sjansen is a |
| 16:32.07 | elg | ~onjoin sjansen sjansen |
| 16:32.07 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 16:32.14 | elg | -chat ~onjoin sjansen |
| 16:32.14 | brac | ~onjoin sjansen sjansen is still busticated... |
| 16:32.14 | ibot | ok, brac |
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| 16:40.37 | jshipley | -chat ~onjoin elg has |
| 16:40.37 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 16:40.45 | jshipley | -chat ~onjoin elg |
| 16:40.45 | brac | ~onjoin elg |
| 16:42.01 | jshipley | -chat elg |
| 16:42.02 | brac | elg had |
| 16:42.12 | jshipley | -chat elg |
| 16:42.12 | brac | elg is credited in the 60s today |
| 16:43.11 | elg | w00t |
| 16:43.21 | elg | -chat ~onjoin jsmith |
| 16:43.21 | brac | ~onjoin jsmith |
| 16:43.37 | elg | ~onjoin jsmith the telcos are coming! |
| 16:43.37 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 16:45.30 | elg | -chat my dog |
| 16:45.30 | brac | my dog when she was there... |
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| 17:23.46 | sjansen | http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ksh93-integration/ |
| 17:31.18 | tensai | why did firefox forget all my ssl cert exceptions? |
| 17:31.36 | elg | it's a feature not a bug |
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| 17:38.27 | harleypig | You can drink a shy girl crazy |
| 17:38.34 | harleypig | you can drink 'till that good girl sins |
| 17:38.42 | harleypig | You can even drink an ugly girl pretty |
| 17:38.48 | harleypig | but you can't drink a fat girl thin |
| 17:43.15 | Supaplex | what if she's only a little fat? |
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| 17:58.10 | tensai | -lart elg |
| 17:58.10 | brac | puts lye in elg's coffee |
| 17:58.36 | Jayce^ | I'm sure he'll get to that soon |
| 17:58.38 | tensai | brac: might as well put manure in his heroin, for all the good it'll do |
| 17:59.15 | tensai | Jayce^: so I had a sourdough jack the other day. mmmm. |
| 17:59.29 | tensai | TimRiker: are you using native ipv6? |
| 17:59.57 | TimRiker | does 6to4 count as native to you? |
| 18:00.56 | tensai | to be honest, I don't know much about 6to4. so sure. :) |
| 18:07.05 | unum | get to teach some young'ens the command line today |
| 18:09.06 | sjansen | loves the command line |
| 18:09.33 | sjansen | I can't imagine using computers without it. There's so much boring, repetitive stuff the command line helps automate. |
| 18:09.52 | goozbach | sjansen: I'm automating the command line even |
| 18:09.55 | goozbach | you should see it |
| 18:10.20 | goozbach | http://blog.friocorte.com/presentation-storage/cobbler/remote_full_picture.swf |
| 18:10.24 | Supaplex | indeed :) |
| 18:12.44 | sjansen | neat |
| 18:12.55 | sjansen | goozbach: Keep me posted, that looks useful. |
| 18:22.38 | Supaplex | goozbach: how did you create the swf of that? |
| 18:23.32 | goozbach | Supaplex: ffmpeg |
| 18:23.44 | goozbach | the command which is ran in the middle tab of the bottom term |
| 18:23.51 | goozbach | at the very beginning |
| 18:24.42 | goozbach | don't worry, once i find/build a better speechbubble program, I'll blog about just how to do this |
| 18:27.11 | goozbach | ohh I guess it doesn't actually show the ffmpeg command |
| 18:27.37 | goozbach | to alay your curiousity: ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1900x1200 -r 10 -y -i ':0.0' full_picture.swf |
| 18:31.10 | sjansen | goozbach: How do you create your current speech bubble? |
| 18:31.25 | goozbach | sjansen: a bastardized xcowsay |
| 18:31.42 | goozbach | I just commented out the code which prints the cow, and forced the bubble to always be at 200,200 |
| 18:33.19 | goozbach | I don't have enough C chops to make the position/size a passable option |
| 18:34.22 | goozbach | the other feature I wanted was to be able to tell the program where to put the "arrow" of the bubble (eg left, right, topleft, top, topright, bottomleft, bottom, bottomright) |
| 18:34.27 | sjansen | If it were me, I'd use PyGTK for speech bubbles. |
| 18:34.34 | goozbach | sjansen: I tried |
| 18:34.48 | goozbach | I couldn't figure out how to do an XSHAPE enabled pygtk app |
| 18:35.06 | goozbach | everything had a bounding box |
| 18:35.17 | sjansen | There used to be an easy to find example on the PyGTK site. |
| 18:35.18 | goozbach | and window decorations |
| 18:36.38 | goozbach | if you were to come up with a pygtk app which looked good and did just what I described I'd buy you lunch next time I saw you |
| 18:37.10 | goozbach | or maybe even find a foot massuse which specialized in cocoa butter |
| 18:38.13 | sjansen | I think I might just take you up on that. |
| 18:39.02 | Jayce^ | goozbach: harleypig would probably be happy to provide that service to sjansen |
| 18:39.33 | goozbach | Jayce^: shh |
| 18:39.42 | goozbach | I never specified the sex of the foot massuse |
| 18:39.43 | sjansen | Making me lunch? |
| 18:39.45 | harleypig | I don't have a foot fetish |
| 18:39.54 | Jayce^ | harleypig: but maybe sjansen does |
| 18:40.14 | Jayce^ | and you do have a butter one |
| 18:40.15 | harleypig | Not very many people in here have the correct appendages for my fetish. :> |
| 18:40.42 | harleypig | butter and mushrooms |
| 18:40.43 | harleypig | mmmmm |
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| 19:01.21 | ^Migs^ | http://qdb.us/295363 |
| 19:01.21 | brac | [QDB: Quote #295363] |
| 19:04.26 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 19:11.44 | jshipley | harleypig: what appendages would those be? |
| 19:11.49 | jshipley | or do I even want to know? |
| 19:12.18 | Jayce^ | you'd probably only understand if you watch copious amounts of hentai... *shudder* |
| 19:12.22 | Supaplex | uh male vs female appendages :P |
| 19:19.24 | jshipley | tentacles? |
| 19:19.44 | jshipley | or, is it amputee stumps? Probably not too many of those around here. |
| 19:30.46 | Supaplex | what's the __DATA__ equiv in perl for shell scripts? (just to ignore the tail end) |
| 19:30.55 | elg | exit |
| 19:31.10 | elg | e.g. if you want to feed $0 to patch |
| 19:31.53 | Supaplex | humm. I guess that'll work. I have 15 some odd lines from history pasted to the end for notes until development is done. |
| 19:35.55 | unum | so I need to write a script that will kill a process based off of the command line arguments passed to the process |
| 19:36.02 | unum | so I'm using ps -eF |
| 19:36.29 | unum | well ps -eF | grep $ARG |
| 19:36.50 | unum | what the best way to kill the process from there? |
| 19:42.25 | Supaplex | you'll want to filter it's own self out too. what's the grep usually going to match on? | awk '{print $2}' will give you the pid. there's a way to grep w/in awk too, but I don't recall the syntax. it often eludes me. |
| 19:46.22 | Tene__ | unum: ps -eo pid,args | awk "/$ARG/"'{print $2}' | xargs kill |
| 19:46.26 | Tene__ | approximately |
| 19:46.29 | Tene__ | erm... print $1 |
| 19:46.42 | unum | thanks guys |
| 19:51.48 | RyanE | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.55 | RyanE | not clear enough... |
| 19:54.15 | sjansen | RyanE: Try /windex instead. |
| 19:54.18 | Tene__ | /clear RyanE |
| 20:01.02 | eightyeight | what are some recommended ticket tracking systems? i'm familiar with RT and trac. any others? looking for free software |
| 20:01.38 | hagna | eightyeight: roundup |
| 20:01.54 | Sargun | bugzilla. :-P |
| 20:02.10 | eightyeight | i'm not really interested in bug tracking |
| 20:02.37 | Tene__ | http://shorl.com/sydegryfryfudo |
| 20:02.55 | hagna | http://issues.roundup-tracker.org/ |
| 20:04.01 | eightyeight | hagna: why would you recommend roundup? |
| 20:04.31 | hagna | eightyeight: it's simple and perhaps not bug specific |
| 20:04.56 | hagna | yep not bug specific |
| 20:16.15 | jsmith | eightyeight: We use Mantis... it works OK. |
| 20:18.43 | Jayce^ | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fail-owned-kool-aid-fail.jpg |
| 20:18.58 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 20:21.38 | eightyeight | jsmith: any reason why you'd recommend it? |
| 20:24.03 | ^Migs^ | Jayce^, that is awesome. |
| 20:24.35 | elg | do they have hemp at hobby lobby? |
| 20:25.03 | fozzmoo | Ohhh duuuude! Do they!!! |
| 20:25.44 | elg | i need a new watch band |
| 20:33.59 | jsmith | eightyeight: It's easy to modify, and seems to be quite flexible. |
| 20:56.37 | eightyeight | jsmith: hmm. mantis has integration with dokuwiki, which we use. that could be handy |
| 21:02.06 | eightyeight | it would be nice if it didn't recquire a db backend though |
| 21:03.44 | Supaplex | "it" for tickets, or wiki? |
| 21:04.45 | Supaplex | wreq (ticketing) is very old, but it only used db3 files local to the system the cgi is on. |
| 21:06.44 | eightyeight | it being mantis |
| 21:07.07 | eightyeight | that's why i chose dokuwiki, because it takes the strain of my cpu and disk io with flat files |
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| 21:07.27 | eightyeight | but it's looking like my pickins are slim with ticket trackers |
| 21:22.12 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Which school district do you work for? |
| 21:28.47 | Supaplex | sjansen: "use to" |
| 21:29.37 | sjansen | Oh? |
| 21:29.44 | ^Migs^ | Weber |
| 21:29.56 | ^Migs^ | why? |
| 21:31.47 | sjansen | Trying to get ahold of someone, anyone in IT at the Alpine school district. |
| 21:31.49 | Supaplex | if you know xen, there's some openings I hear will be available later. I don't have a lot of the details, but my neighbor is on the move :-/ |
| 21:36.53 | ^Migs^ | lol, Tene was talking to me about Alpine's IT department yesterday |
| 21:37.26 | elg | my great uncle was (is?) on the alpine school board |
| 21:37.36 | Tene__ | ^Migs^: I told sjansen which school district you work for yesterday. He apparently wasn't paying attention. |
| 21:37.45 | sjansen | I blame Tene__. |
| 21:38.09 | ^Migs^ | I don't expect anyone to remember anything said in here the next day |
| 21:38.21 | ^Migs^ | although you COULD'VE checked the logs |
| 21:39.01 | ^Migs^ | how's that whole project going anyway/ |
| 21:39.02 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 21:39.05 | elg | then you'd have to remember there are logs |
| 21:39.30 | ^Migs^ | I kind of wish there weren't logs. I think I've said some things in here without thinking that I shouldn't have. |
| 21:40.08 | Tene__ | ^Migs^: I said it to him in person. He sits behind me for most of the day. |
| 21:40.32 | ^Migs^ | so you're "the guy in front?" |
| 21:40.41 | elg | down in front! |
| 21:40.46 | levi | Hmm. I should have paid attention to how much RAM was in this box before I gave it a tiny swap partition. |
| 21:40.53 | Tene__ | ^Migs^: Horrible! I still can't get a hold of anyone at all to help me get that server booting again, or even to find out if I could get into the building if I figured out where it was and drove out there. |
| 21:41.11 | Tene__ | Although considering everything I've seen, I wouldn't be surprised if they just let me walk in without checking anything. |
| 21:41.39 | ^Migs^ | maybe |
| 21:41.56 | ^Migs^ | perhaps we should start a school consulting business |
| 21:42.01 | ^Migs^ | we could really transform how schools work |
| 21:52.44 | elg | ~transform |
| 21:52.45 | ibot | ACTION begins moving as her body flips around to transform into something new, something powerful. TERMINAFOBOT !!!! |
| 21:53.10 | elg | stop ibot, you're scaring sjansen |
| 21:53.43 | jshipley | ~transform schools |
| 21:55.37 | Supaplex | yay for managed switches. |
| 22:07.24 | fozzmoo | yay, indeed. |
| 22:12.48 | neybar | I'm not much of a networking guy... what does a managed switch buy you? It seems like switches have been things I don't ever look at unless the whole thing breaks. |
| 22:13.32 | Sargun | Supaplex, yes, yay for managed witches. |
| 22:13.43 | Sargun | neybar, switches always break |
| 22:14.47 | Tene__ | neybar: managed switches let you do fancier things. configure vlans, monitoring, etc. |
| 22:15.13 | Sargun | Tene__, real men use unconfigured vlans, :-P |
| 22:20.18 | jsmith | neybar: Managed switches also allow you to monitor traffic levels (typically even down to the port level) |
| 22:38.33 | Supaplex | I didn't want to spend all day guessing what wire in this jungle was plugged into my nic. :) |
| 22:39.06 | Supaplex | and I wanted to swap it into the gigabit switch with minimal time in between |
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| 23:06.06 | Sargun_Screen | hey, how many people here have conducted an interview? |
| 23:06.39 | jsmith | What type of interview? |
| 23:06.42 | jsmith | Job interview? |
| 23:06.51 | jsmith | FBI interview? |
| 23:08.04 | eggyknap | raises hand |
| 23:08.34 | jsmith | raises his hand too (for the job interview) |
| 23:08.45 | Supaplex | is this a trick question? :D |
| 23:08.52 | eggyknap | Oh, right... I've not done FBI interviews :) |
| 23:09.38 | Supaplex | they're too boring anyway. ;) |
| 23:09.51 | Supaplex | that's right. I know you're watching us! |
| 23:10.06 | Sargun_Screen | uh.. |
| 23:10.31 | eggyknap | I've been the subject in government-three-letter-organization interviews. It was a drag. |
| 23:11.09 | Sargun_Screen | eggyknap: your employer won a contract? |
| 23:11.39 | eggyknap | Yeah, long before they became my employer. It was S.O.P. for all new hires. 10 years of background, in my case. |
| 23:13.03 | Sargun_Screen | I mean has anyone every interviewed a candidate for aposition where they work? |
| 23:13.28 | eggyknap | yes |
| 23:13.47 | Sargun_Screen | the reason I'm asking is how many people here would want a college board for employement? |
| 23:15.34 | sjansen | What is a "college board for employment"? |
| 23:15.38 | Supaplex | If the qualifications require that fancy college diploma thingy, you can count me out. |
| 23:15.45 | eggyknap | was wondering that too |
| 23:15.47 | Sargun_Screen | hehe. |
| 23:16.03 | sjansen | You mean a degree? |
| 23:16.06 | Sargun_Screen | no, basically a company which professionally interviews you |
| 23:16.26 | Sargun_Screen | aggregates your interviews, etc.. |
| 23:16.45 | sjansen | You mean interviews potential candidate for me? |
| 23:16.46 | eggyknap | I doubt I'd be particularly interested. That's basically the job of a recruiter, and in my experience recruiters don't do all that great a job of identifying really useful candidates. |
| 23:16.57 | eggyknap | My experience is limited, I'll admit. |
| 23:17.01 | Supaplex | Professor Google gave me the impression "A service mark used for the administration of aptitude and achievement tests, used by some colleges and universities in admitting and placing students." |
| 23:17.04 | Sargun_Screen | I mean, I think candidates would hate it, but employers would love it. |
| 23:17.31 | Sargun_Screen | eggyknap: recruiters are paid per person they get hired. |
| 23:17.39 | Sargun_Screen | or paid per candidate |
| 23:17.58 | eggyknap | Once when I was looking for work, a recruiter had a setup where a computer asked me questions and took video of my oral answers, and I think that would be helpful for those of us conducting interviews. |
| 23:18.16 | sjansen | Any employer with any sense is going to realize the importance a good interview process and the hopelessness than a third party will ever understand their needs well enough to do anything thing other than first level weeding for them. |
| 23:18.28 | eggyknap | But most of the recruiters I've dealt with really didn't understand the details of the positions we had open enough to know whether they were sending qualified candidates or not. They'd throw any old resume over the wall and see if it stuck. |
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| 23:18.45 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: how many interviews have you done? |
| 23:19.18 | Supaplex | fungus: quit-message =~ s/127.0.0.1/::1/ |
| 23:19.54 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: would you agree with the statement that 60% of your interview is generic |
| 23:20.09 | Sargun_Screen | and most candidates fail that portion |
| 23:21.06 | eggyknap | Sargun_Screen: despite my distaste for recruiters, I'll agree at least 60% of the interview processes I've conducted (or helped conduct) has been generic. Although recruiters really sucked, our recruiting process generally hasn't been much better. |
| 23:21.06 | Sargun_Screen | eggyknap: see, what about a neutral company that would record interviews, have them professionally analyzed, etc.. |
| 23:22.17 | eggyknap | More interesting to me than a company to do the interviews would be a company that worked w/ you to develop a meaningful interview process (rather than the off-the-cuff stuff most people end up doing). Perhaps, given that process, a third party interviewer would be more useful, but without it I doubt they'd help much. |
| 23:22.26 | sjansen | I've done less than 20 interviews. Only about 5 were the person's first interview. |
| 23:23.49 | Sargun_Screen | eggyknap: well offering multiple services, including custom interviews, general purpose interviews, employee data publishing, etc... |
| 23:23.54 | sjansen | But that was enough to know that: (1) You have to have a checklist, but be willing to branch out from it. (2) A large number of people lie on their resume. (3) Gauging how well the person will fit in with their potential team is critical. |
| 23:24.43 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: If a company is large enough to need the service, it will also be large enough to build it's own internal department to handle the front line interview process. |
| 23:24.59 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: how many people failed the generic questions? would you think it might have been better to have access to old interviews? |
| 23:25.04 | sjansen | As for smaller employers, their challenge is finding candidates, not interviewing them. |
| 23:25.43 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: finding candidates isn't so hard anymore... |
| 23:26.13 | sjansen | Adding information to a decision process does not always lead to better decisions. In fact, adding to much noise hides the signal. |
| 23:26.32 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: Oh? How much recruiting have you done? |
| 23:27.18 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: I'm just saying from my personal experience, finding someone for a position we have 100% turn over in has become much easier |
| 23:27.54 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: Skilled position? How much does the interview process actually matter? |
| 23:27.55 | Sargun_Screen | nothing more than that |
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| 23:30.48 | sjansen | Basically, what it boils down to is that I agree with eggyknap. Interviewing for skilled positions requires so much company specific knowledge that a third party would be most useful helping to refine the process, not out sourcing it. |
| 23:30.59 | Sargun_Screen | maintainer for a project/hands on coder |
| 23:31.42 | sjansen | If your needs are really so flexible that a third party can handle the interview, might as well have the third party hire the person and then sub-contract the work. |
| 23:34.11 | unum | we might have to start bringing people in through a temp agency |
| 23:34.30 | unum | we told three people that we wanted them to start on tuesday |
| 23:34.33 | elg | is that an agency for the temporarily awesome? |
| 23:34.33 | unum | two showed up |
| 23:34.46 | unum | and one quit yesterday |
| 23:35.08 | elg | unum: you have to give them a few weeks before trotting out the thong |
| 23:35.12 | elg | tact, man |
| 23:35.28 | unum | elg: it's a very tasteful thong |
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| 23:48.18 | Tene__ | Aw, no findlay. |
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