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| 00:15.23 | harleypig | familysearch.org ... whee ... now to find pics ... me, dad, grand-dad, James Young, Ernest Young and Brigham Young. :P |
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| 00:59.51 | elg | harleypig: then you need to find pics of all your ancestors in thongs |
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| 01:49.32 | harleypig | ... |
| 01:49.40 | harleypig | Brigham Young in a thong ... |
| 01:50.14 | JoshH | maybe behind closed doors with his wives |
| 01:50.32 | JoshH | if he was into that |
| 01:50.48 | harleypig | o_O |
| 01:51.05 | harleypig | I'm not used to being bombarded with mental images that I have difficulty parsing. |
| 01:51.09 | JoshH | so you're a descendant of brigham? |
| 01:51.29 | harleypig | Yip. See above. |
| 01:51.35 | JoshH | that is pretty cool |
| 01:52.14 | harleypig | It's really pretty wild ... looking at pics of BY I can see both my grandfather and father in them. |
| 01:52.26 | harleypig | I'm curious to see if James and Ernest look similar. |
| 01:52.44 | JoshH | that's a pretty hardcore bloodline |
| 01:52.54 | harleypig | ? hardcore? |
| 01:52.57 | JoshH | you could be like the aragorn of the mormon church |
| 01:53.02 | harleypig | :D |
| 01:53.57 | harleypig | Ernest went inactive, I don't know about James. I do know that my brothers and I were the first of that line to go on a mission. |
| 01:56.31 | findlay | hello |
| 01:57.10 | harleypig | o hell? |
| 01:57.54 | findlay | sure |
| 01:58.03 | findlay | ~chat harleypig |
| 01:58.06 | findlay | -chat harleypig |
| 01:58.06 | brac | harleypig did |
| 01:58.11 | harleypig | ~chatup findlay |
| 01:58.16 | findlay | -chat stuff |
| 01:58.16 | brac | stuff was in this context is the reason I can't expense it. |
| 01:58.48 | findlay | ~ojnoin findlay -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 01:59.22 | harleypig | I don't think that will do what you think it will do |
| 02:00.36 | harleypig | ~onjoin findlay I love space monkey juice! |
| 02:00.36 | ibot | ok, harleypig |
| 02:00.58 | findlay | inconceivable! |
| 02:01.19 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 02:01.19 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 02:01.39 | harleypig | That will probably do what you think it will do. |
| 02:01.45 | harleypig | Maybe. |
| 02:01.50 | findlay | there is a high probability |
| 02:01.51 | harleypig | Possibly. |
| 02:01.59 | findlay | the multiplicity function is favorable |
| 02:02.00 | harleypig | Probably. |
| 02:02.12 | harleypig | The outlook is positive. |
| 02:02.54 | harleypig | going home ... buh-bye |
| 02:03.01 | harleypig | has detached screen |
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| 02:56.39 | macbum | http://www.flickr.com/photos/27892571@N08/ |
| 02:56.45 | macbum | Anyone else get snow like that at their house? |
| 02:57.18 | elg | it was in the 60s today |
| 02:57.21 | elg | but there was some wind |
| 02:57.49 | macbum | Ohhh lucky It's been around 30 today here |
| 03:00.59 | tarrant | We have only got sprinkles of snow down in West Jordan |
| 03:01.43 | macbum | Nice... I couldn't go out...Kia Rio just won't go far in this stuff |
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| 04:33.13 | robertelee | so what are you all doing for fun this time of year? |
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| 06:32.58 | Supaplex | dilvie likes it. I've never really tried it. |
| 06:40.00 | jessie | Hmmmmmm...... I see. I just started the other day. |
| 06:42.55 | Supaplex | I should use it. I wonder how many keystorkes I average in a day... |
| 06:45.14 | jessie | lol. same. the learning curve is steep. |
| 06:46.10 | Supaplex | are there any spiffy typing games/tutorials/etc that'll make it fun? :) |
| 06:47.46 | jessie | i dunno. haven't looked yet. |
| 06:58.51 | Sargun | teaching little kids to teach? |
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| 13:21.37 | Sargun | Ooops, off-by-one |
| 13:21.39 | Sargun | ~date |
| 13:21.40 | ibot | It is now 2009.02.18 13:21:40 GMT |
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| 14:39.03 | brac | gives Tene a melvin |
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| 15:54.21 | Zelut | anyone know the best way to find Lamont? |
| 15:58.06 | goozbach | Zelut: call him |
| 15:58.59 | Zelut | goozbach: ohh, _that_ way ehh. He doesn't lurk on teh interwebs anymore? |
| 15:59.18 | goozbach | Zelut: he's too much of a homebody |
| 15:59.26 | Zelut | pfft |
| 15:59.29 | goozbach | spending time with his daughter and wife |
| 15:59.32 | goozbach | pffft indeed |
| 16:00.16 | Zelut | I see you went with the extra "f" in pfft. Must be more pffty than I am. |
| 16:00.49 | Jayce^ | he had broccoli last night |
| 16:01.03 | Zelut | Jayce^: ahh |
| 16:01.26 | Jayce^ | goozbach: you can drool now: http://www.teamdesertedge.com/content/view/116/124/ |
| 16:01.27 | brac | [Team DesertEdge - D.E.EGO 2009 Release] |
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| 16:18.50 | eightyeight | i have squid running on hostA and sshd running on hostB. squid is listening on all interfaces on port 3128. from my client, can't i 'ssh -L 8080:hostA:3128 hostB' if they're on the same subnet to have squid manage my http requests throgh my ssh tunnel? |
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| 16:45.14 | sjansen | So here's a surprise after our the discussion of In-n-Out: Driving to work this morning I discovered a Five Guys is opening soon just a couple blocks from my office. |
| 16:47.01 | Zelut | 5 guys ftw! |
| 16:49.59 | jsmith | sjansen: Awesome! |
| 16:50.05 | jsmith | +5 guys++ |
| 16:50.10 | jsmith | ~5 guys++ |
| 16:50.14 | jsmith | There we go... |
| 16:50.31 | Jayce^ | tell them they got the direction wrong, they were supposed to build one in Provo |
| 16:50.39 | Jayce^ | and another in Lehi |
| 16:51.00 | jsmith | Jayce^: Two years ago, there were only a handful of stores in Virginia and Maryland... now there are over 1000 stores across the country |
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| 16:51.24 | Jayce^ | but that doesn't do me any good at lunchtime *today* |
| 16:53.47 | high_roller | 5 guys is great! |
| 16:53.50 | high_roller | is hungry |
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| 17:20.59 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Linux: Now with employee pricing! |
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| 17:59.42 | sjansen | Some days, I wonder if Perl 6 is an elaborate practical joke. |
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| 18:06.25 | Heartsbane | 00/21 |
| 18:06.35 | Heartsbane | wrong window |
| 18:07.06 | unum | so I'm having trouble from having upgrade exim on debian |
| 18:07.20 | unum | it's complaing about me having not replace all of the debconf strings |
| 18:07.34 | unum | but when I do a grep I only find debconf strings in -old files |
| 18:10.20 | unum | turned out removing them got rid of the erro |
| 18:10.21 | unum | r |
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| 18:17.51 | eightyeight | vaporware |
| 18:22.13 | hagna | warewolf |
| 18:34.59 | levi | Ahh, synergy. It is for win. |
| 18:35.03 | unum | I think it's time to reboot |
| 18:35.15 | unum | synergy workis on both linux and win |
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| 18:36.28 | Tene_ | ^Migs^: ping |
| 18:36.48 | ^Migs^ | No. |
| 18:36.59 | Tene_ | ^Migs^: can I /msg? |
| 18:37.06 | ^Migs^ | you sure can |
| 18:37.09 | ^Migs^ | and thank you for asking |
| 18:37.13 | eightyeight | i run synergy on my linux laptop and desktop |
| 18:37.21 | eightyeight | gotta love it |
| 18:39.03 | levi | I've got it connecting a couple of Windows boxes right now. |
| 18:42.44 | ^Migs^ | I was never able to get Synergy to connect my SuSE box to my Windows box |
| 18:42.56 | levi | Weird. |
| 18:43.02 | ^Migs^ | I've had this dumb SuSE box forever, though, and I've tinkered with it too much |
| 18:43.11 | ^Migs^ | half the stuff I try to install doesn't work anymore |
| 18:43.12 | levi | I've had OS X in the mix, too, but it's kind of quirky. |
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| 18:45.42 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | We're going to need another Timmy. |
| 18:50.42 | goozbach | Jayce^: http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/questionable_rejected_star_war.php |
| 18:51.41 | sjansen | I'd buy a Han Solo carbonite mini-fridge. |
| 18:52.31 | Jayce^ | I want the grill |
| 18:53.15 | sjansen | And the grill! |
| 18:53.27 | goozbach | Jayce^: wanna try and fab out these products? |
| 18:53.54 | JoshH | i'd get the fridge and grill |
| 18:54.04 | levi | So have you guys looked at the book chapter about Palm's WebOS that was recently released? |
| 18:54.24 | levi | http://developer.palm.com/webos_book/book1.html |
| 18:54.25 | brac | [Palm.com : Palm Developer Network - Palm webOS from O'Reilly Media] |
| 18:56.13 | levi | Darn, someone took my dumb easy iPhone game idea. |
| 18:56.33 | levi | http://www.stairways.com/iphone/aragom |
| 18:57.44 | sjansen | http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/ottertorials/wp-content/uploads/2008/wpThumbnails/jabbachair.jpg |
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| 19:08.20 | levi | You know, one of the things that makes Factor really cool is that slava frequently blogs in depth about the technical details of the stuff he's changing. He's currently rewriting the whole GUI infrastructure, and he just made a post on font metrics. |
| 19:08.41 | hagna | levi: link? |
| 19:08.42 | Tene_ | Nice. |
| 19:09.54 | goozbach | sjansen: what was the screencasting software which was used to make that flash demo of the gurulabs troubleshooting class? |
| 19:10.23 | levi | http://factor-language.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:10.31 | hagna | thanks |
| 19:10.59 | hagna | yeah a stack language is it like forth |
| 19:11.03 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMjrVO0-juU |
| 19:12.44 | sjansen | goozbach: I think it says in the screencast. |
| 19:12.57 | goozbach | sjansen: i didn't notice it |
| 19:13.10 | levi | hagna: Kind of like a high-level forth. |
| 19:13.48 | sjansen | goozbach: I can't remember the name right now, but it's the most popular Windows app. |
| 19:14.05 | Tene_ | goozbach: vnc2swf? |
| 19:14.16 | hagna | levi: cool |
| 19:14.18 | goozbach | sjansen: was it wink? |
| 19:17.11 | sjansen | goozbach: Could've been, just checked Wink's Web page and some of the onscreen elements look equally ugly. |
| 19:17.43 | sjansen | levi: Thanks for the tip. Interesting post. |
| 19:20.32 | ^Migs^ | there's Camstudio, Camtasia... |
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| 19:25.38 | levi | Ooh, cane-sugar based versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew are coming, branded as "throwback" versions. |
| 19:26.52 | sjansen | Lets hope this marks the beginning of the end for corn syrup. |
| 19:26.58 | jshipley | interesting |
| 19:27.10 | jshipley | I wonder if I'd actually like it -- I'm so used to the corn syrup version |
| 19:27.24 | Tene_ | Costco stocks the cane-sugar version of coke. |
| 19:27.32 | levi | I like the Mexican coke. |
| 19:27.34 | Tene_ | My flatmates have me buy it for them sometimes. |
| 19:27.36 | Tene_ | Yeah, that. |
| 19:27.46 | jshipley | From Mexico? I didn't really care for it. |
| 19:27.54 | levi | Kosher coke is also made with sugar. |
| 19:28.43 | fozzmoo | interesting. |
| 19:29.11 | jshipley | sjansen: You don't like corn syrup? But haven't you seen the recent commercials on TV? </sarcasm> |
| 19:29.29 | Tene_ | There are TV commercials about hfcs? |
| 19:29.52 | jshipley | Yeah, they're basically trying to tell everybody that corn syrup is just as healthy as sugar. |
| 19:30.12 | jshipley | What they neglect to mention is how unhealthy sugar really is, and how we eat way too much of it. |
| 19:30.20 | sjansen | Broadcast TV and cable are for chumps. |
| 19:30.49 | jshipley | sjansen: What's the alternative? DVD only? |
| 19:31.05 | fozzmoo | Satellite. |
| 19:31.09 | jshipley | Watching on the internet? |
| 19:31.24 | jshipley | meh. I'd group cable and satellite together. |
| 19:31.52 | fozzmoo | I recently read an article about how Splenda is all bad for you. |
| 19:32.09 | fozzmoo | I guess the question is... is it as bad for you as sugar? |
| 19:32.11 | jshipley | well, digital cable at least -- a tv guide channel does not begin to make up for a missing menu and dvr |
| 19:32.37 | jshipley | I'm not at all surprised to find out that splenda isn't good for you. |
| 19:33.01 | jshipley | The best answer is to probably reduce sugary foods, not just find a different sweetener. |
| 19:33.02 | levi | I'm not sure that Splenda actually *is* bad for you. |
| 19:33.12 | fozzmoo | And nutrasweet- that's bad too, apparently. But again, as bad or worse than sugar or HFCS? |
| 19:33.24 | ^Migs^ | sugar is awesome |
| 19:33.30 | sjansen | Internet, of course. Maybe Netflix and family too. |
| 19:33.31 | levi | Saccharin, which used to be bad for you, is now no longer bad for you. |
| 19:33.55 | fozzmoo | As a diabetic soda junkie, I put a lot of nutrasweet into my body every day. |
| 19:34.19 | levi | I think people just freak out because artificial sweeteners are made from chemicals. And chemicals are scary! |
| 19:34.46 | levi | (nevermind that natural sweeteners, and indeed even our bodies, are made from chemicals) |
| 19:35.11 | jshipley | sjansen: Internet/Netflix do seem like a really good substitute for cable. The TV would probably be off more of the time -- added benefit. |
| 19:35.39 | fozzmoo | I watched a "How It's Made" on sugar. It's a lot more of a chemical process than I ever thought it was. |
| 19:35.47 | JoshH | internet for tv will be a better idea than satellite sometime in the future, perhaps, when we all have super fat tubes |
| 19:35.54 | fozzmoo | I thought they just scraped the white sugar out of the middle of the sugar canes. |
| 19:35.57 | fozzmoo | and put it in bags. |
| 19:35.58 | levi | Broadcast TV + DVR + Netflix is pretty good. |
| 19:36.09 | sjansen | *shrug* I don't care about high def, so I'm good right now. |
| 19:36.19 | levi | I love high def. |
| 19:36.20 | fozzmoo | But no, it's... pretty long, convoluted, and full of chemicals. |
| 19:36.40 | fozzmoo | I bought an HDTV for xmas... and a cheap antenna, but it sucks. |
| 19:36.47 | levi | fozzmoo: And apparently not always vegetarian-approved, either. |
| 19:37.00 | JoshH | fozzmoo: is nutrasweet considered "safe" for diabetics, so you don't need to worry about the amount, unlike sugar? </ignorance> |
| 19:37.12 | fozzmoo | JoshH: yes. |
| 19:37.12 | levi | fozzmoo: What kind of cheap antenna? And what sucks about it? |
| 19:37.27 | fozzmoo | It was a $30 Philips amplified antenna. |
| 19:37.30 | JoshH | that's good |
| 19:37.45 | JoshH | my sister in law recently got diagnosed with diabetes |
| 19:37.52 | fozzmoo | It picks up some of the stations okay, but I have to fiddle with it constantly to watch channel 4. |
| 19:38.01 | JoshH | and all i know is, i don't envy all the pita it is for her |
| 19:38.06 | JoshH | with the injections and all that |
| 19:38.12 | JoshH | not to mention the fear of eventual amputation |
| 19:38.28 | fozzmoo | JoshH: That eventuality is only for those who don't control it. |
| 19:38.33 | levi | I have a few el-cheapo non-amplified rabbit ears + loop antennas hooked up to my converter boxes. |
| 19:38.48 | levi | I also have a nice antenna mounted outside where a dish used to be. |
| 19:38.54 | jshipley | fozzmoo: whether or not it ever happens, the fear is probably still there |
| 19:39.12 | fozzmoo | jshipley: I'm more concerned about episodes of hypoglycemia. They freak me out. |
| 19:39.45 | jshipley | they come with fainting and seizures, right? |
| 19:39.46 | levi | I was with a bunch of friends when one of them had a hypoglycemia attack. That was pretty scary. |
| 19:39.48 | JoshH | my understanding is that maintaining proper control is very difficult and tiring, and many diabetics eventually just start being less hardcore about it, or give up entirely |
| 19:40.16 | jshipley | I have a friend who got an insulin pump, it seems to make life quite a bit easier for her. |
| 19:40.24 | fozzmoo | It takes a lot of personal discipline... something most people just don't have. |
| 19:40.30 | fozzmoo | Yeah- the pump is very handy. |
| 19:40.33 | fozzmoo | I don't have a pump. |
| 19:40.45 | levi | fozzmoo is just hardcore. :) |
| 19:40.53 | fozzmoo | And I had gotten pretty lax about testing and what-not until a couple months ago. |
| 19:41.06 | fozzmoo | That's when I had my last bad hypoglycemia episode. |
| 19:41.15 | fozzmoo | Probably lost 5 pounds in sweat that night. |
| 19:41.36 | fozzmoo | So, now I test every meal and at bedtime again. |
| 19:41.38 | levi | fozzmoo: I'd order an antenna from here: http://www.antennasdirect.com/ |
| 19:41.53 | fozzmoo | levi: okay, sir. |
| 19:42.38 | jshipley | Testing doesn't seem too bad, not near as bad as insulin shots. |
| 19:42.51 | fozzmoo | heh. I find it's the other way around. |
| 19:43.02 | fozzmoo | The needles are very small. I can barely feel the injections. |
| 19:43.13 | fozzmoo | But pricking my fingers for blood is more painful. |
| 19:43.20 | fozzmoo | I don't mind it, but a lot of people do. |
| 19:44.10 | jshipley | I've tested a few times. The worst part for me was anticipating the prick. |
| 19:44.42 | jshipley | I can't compare it to an insulin shot though, I've never had one. |
| 19:44.43 | fozzmoo | jshipley: Tell your sister in law now is the best time to be diabetic because the disease is understood a lot better now than it used to be. |
| 19:44.56 | fozzmoo | It used to be diabetics avoided sugar like the plague. |
| 19:45.55 | fozzmoo | But now there's a lot more wisdom about it- just monitor and control your sugar intake. |
| 19:45.55 | JoshH | ya, that's what she does |
| 19:45.55 | JoshH | but she admits that she does eat too much sometimes |
| 19:45.55 | JoshH | and by sometimes, i mean often |
| 19:45.55 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 19:45.55 | fozzmoo | It's tough- especially if you love food. |
| 19:45.56 | jshipley | fozzmoo: It was JoshH that has a diabetic sister in law, although I do have a sister in law that's starting to think she might be diabetic -- they don't want to take her to the doctor yet though, because their insurance isn't active yet |
| 19:46.01 | fozzmoo | Oh. Sorry. |
| 19:46.38 | fozzmoo | I think diabetes will be practically cured in the next 10 years. |
| 19:47.04 | jshipley | It was my sister's best friend that is diabetic. She got diagnosed when she was around 11, after she started having seizures. |
| 19:47.06 | fozzmoo | whether it is an actual cure or something that just erases the need to monitor and shoot insulin. |
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| 19:48.45 | jasonpr | anyone know any linux programmers who know VFS, Kern modules and Network Programming? |
| 19:49.09 | levi | Now we just need a cure for obesity, so we can eat as much as we want and sit around all day and not get fat. |
| 19:49.21 | levi | Kerning modules? |
| 19:49.41 | jasonpr | I'm looking for a kernel module programmer |
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| 19:50.12 | jasonpr | particularly one who wants to upgrade their job |
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| 19:51.42 | jshipley | levi: ever heard of bulimia? |
| 19:51.54 | jshipley | I've heard that the romans used to feast, go purge, and then feast again. |
| 19:51.55 | levi | Well, I wouldn't mind upgrading my current job to higher pay, but I don't really want to switch right now. |
| 19:52.11 | levi | jshipley: Well, that's not quite what I had in mind. |
| 19:52.16 | jasonpr | what's your switch price? |
| 19:52.24 | JoshH | this shirt always cracks me up: http://www.barrierislandgraphics.com/galleries/Spink/i beat anorexia.jpg |
| 19:52.25 | jshipley | I know, I really shouldn't joke about that... |
| 19:53.27 | jshipley | I don't think that we really need a solution that allows us to eat more food than we need -- we just need to be better about what we eat and how active we are. |
| 19:54.04 | levi | jasonpr: I don't really have one right now. Besides, although I've written kernel modules before, I haven't really done VFS stuff. |
| 19:54.08 | jshipley | Still, I'm sure that we will come up with something better than stomach staples, the lap band, and lipo |
| 19:54.57 | JoshH | jasonpr: post a detailed job description the lug lists, including pay and benefits info |
| 19:55.08 | levi | jshipley: Yeah, of course, but there are a *lot* of people that struggle with that. Our culture and our food supply are tilted against slimness. |
| 19:56.05 | JoshH | not only is most food you can buy pretty unhealthy, but with the way most households need 2 incomes these days, few people have time to actually cook/prepare fresh, healthy meals |
| 19:56.44 | Jayce^ | encourages dinner-groups to help with that |
| 19:57.50 | jshipley | It doesn't help that we like our tv so much... If we got rid of that there would be a lot more time in our day. |
| 19:57.57 | JoshH | people could spend what little free time they have cooking and cleaning up after it, but most people would rather do fun things instead |
| 19:58.42 | jshipley | tv isn't really my big time-sink... I spend a good portion of my tv time on the computer |
| 19:58.57 | levi | Yeah, the computer is a way bigger time sink than TV for me. |
| 19:59.47 | JoshH | probably for most of us |
| 19:59.51 | jshipley | You can do both :) |
| 20:00.11 | JoshH | although a lot of days, by the time i get home, i can't even bring myself to look at my computer, at least until later in the night |
| 20:00.20 | jshipley | I generally ignore whatever my wife is watching while I mess around with my computer |
| 20:01.13 | levi | There's one or two shows a week I watch with my wife, and maybe one I watch by myself, and I go somewhere else when my wife watches stuff I don't want to watch. |
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| 20:01.23 | jshipley | I'm happier when I get home and actually do things, rather than just watch tv or surf the web, but it's so easy to sit down and let some hours disappear. |
| 20:01.28 | levi | I find TV way too distracting to do anything else. |
| 20:01.43 | levi | jshipley: Me too. |
| 20:02.32 | jshipley | I also enjoy cooking (and cleaning up after), but a lot of the time I just don't feel up to it at the end of the day. |
| 20:03.01 | levi | I enjoy cooking when I can think of something to cook. |
| 20:03.37 | jshipley | I have about an hour after work where I often don't feel like doing anything -- that hour often extends into the entire evening if I sit down in front of the tv or computer. |
| 20:03.58 | JoshH | i get home, wife asks what we should have for dinner. i say, i was hoping you would cook something and have it ready when i got home. her reply: let's just go get cafe rio and do some grocery shopping another day |
| 20:05.54 | levi | Mmm, Cafe Rio. |
| 20:06.54 | fozzmoo | I miss Bajio salads. |
| 20:07.03 | fozzmoo | But not since they seemingly doubled in price. |
| 20:07.29 | JoshH | i only went to bajio once, and decided i didn't like how their sour cream was all messed up |
| 20:07.39 | JoshH | it needs to be pure |
| 20:07.46 | Jayce^ | my sister-in-law has duplicated the sweet pork and the dressing from the cafe rio salads.. serious WIN |
| 20:08.35 | goozbach | Jayce^: seriously? |
| 20:08.38 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 20:08.42 | goozbach | recipie? |
| 20:09.01 | JoshH | always gets the sweet pork and creamy tomatillo |
| 20:09.48 | jshipley | I always get a burrito, and then eat too much. |
| 20:10.09 | jshipley | ('too much' == 'the whole thing') |
| 20:10.16 | JoshH | i switch between burrito and salad |
| 20:10.25 | JoshH | either way, i get teh sweet pork though |
| 20:11.18 | Jayce^ | the thing is, their steak, and chicken are tasty... but that pork gets me every time |
| 20:11.35 | JoshH | ya |
| 20:11.42 | JoshH | i get half chicken, half steak at barbacoa |
| 20:11.53 | JoshH | but at rio it just has to be the pork |
| 20:11.53 | RyanE | I always get the shrimp tacos... Mmmmm... |
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| 20:15.08 | RyanE | not impressed with the barbacoa, even though they just installed one near my home. |
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| 20:15.35 | levi | Jayce^: Yeah, I have to get the pork too. |
| 20:15.45 | levi | So yummy! |
| 20:16.09 | fozzmoo | Rio is more carby. |
| 20:16.23 | fozzmoo | that's probably why I prefer Costa Vida or Bajio. |
| 20:16.25 | levi | downloads Ubuntu to replace FC6 on this old PC. |
| 20:16.52 | JoshH | i didn't care for the tomatillo dressing at costa vida |
| 20:19.27 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: You like that mp3 I sent you a link to? |
| 20:19.40 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:20.46 | JoshH | cafe rio needs to sell bags of tortillas to go for a reasonable price, so i can quit eating the garbage from the grocery store |
| 20:21.13 | ^Migs^ | Bajio > Costa Vida, imo |
| 20:21.44 | ^Migs^ | I love how much food Bajio gives you |
| 20:21.49 | JoshH | rio > barbacoa > chipotle > taco bell > costa vida > bajio |
| 20:21.52 | ^Migs^ | I actually feel like I'm getting a good deal at Bajio |
| 20:22.58 | fozzmoo | Del Taco FTW! |
| 20:23.00 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 20:23.09 | JoshH | actually put taco time in that list, before taco bell |
| 20:23.13 | JoshH | never been a del taco fan |
| 20:23.53 | mrpull | Taco Amigo |
| 20:24.09 | mrpull | (not remotely the same type of food, but still my favorite) |
| 20:24.31 | ^Migs^ | Tuesday Taco Night at Del Taco FTW. 3 tacos for $1.00 |
| 20:24.35 | Tene_ | Eh, I'd prefer bajio over taco bell, but that's about it |
| 20:24.39 | Tene_ | I'm not fond of bajio |
| 20:24.42 | ^Migs^ | Taco Bell FTW also. I love their value menu. |
| 20:24.44 | ^Migs^ | Tene_-- |
| 20:24.49 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I don't know how you can compare CafeBajioVida to Taco Bell or Taco Time |
| 20:24.55 | Tene_ | I can't stand taco bell at all |
| 20:25.00 | ^Migs^ | Taco Time is overpriced |
| 20:25.02 | manithree | El Azteca rules them all |
| 20:25.06 | manithree | Taco Hell? |
| 20:25.06 | ^Migs^ | don't make me decrement you again, Tene_ |
| 20:25.09 | Tene_ | bajio--, but bajio >> taco bell |
| 20:25.16 | JoshH | i never willingly choose taco bell, i just stuck that in there to show that bagio and costa vida are on a much lower level than the first 3, imo |
| 20:25.17 | fozzmoo | I used to love Taco Bell, but I rarely eat there anymore. |
| 20:26.03 | fozzmoo | Maybe it's because they're usually staffed by idiots. |
| 20:26.13 | JoshH | usually? |
| 20:26.23 | manithree | And their food is awful. |
| 20:26.38 | fozzmoo | Yeah, their food isn't that great either. |
| 20:27.02 | fozzmoo | If I go there, I usually get a 7-layer burrito. |
| 20:27.25 | JoshH | from what i've heard, if you ever see their beans or ground beef before they are cooked, you can never eat them again |
| 20:27.55 | ^Migs^ | I like Taco Bell well enough, but I don't like that I'm stuck in the bathroom for hours afterward |
| 20:28.27 | RyanE | It's lunch, *and* a ritual cleanse. 2-fer! |
| 20:28.36 | fozzmoo | RyanE: heh. |
| 20:28.48 | fozzmoo | Think of it as free detox. |
| 20:28.49 | manithree | Taco Hell -- for the bulimic in you |
| 20:29.28 | manithree | Except other end |
| 20:31.33 | JoshH | better than metamucil |
| 20:33.05 | manithree | less predictable |
| 20:33.21 | JoshH | so i read these anecdotes about people who constantly have their food stolen from breakrooms by weird people |
| 20:33.30 | JoshH | and i wonder, why not just pack it with laxatives or something? |
| 20:33.46 | JoshH | seems like nobody ever does that |
| 20:34.25 | RyanE | that you *know of* |
| 20:34.30 | jsmith | JoshH: Or nobody actually talks about it |
| 20:34.34 | RyanE | not the kind of thing people talk about... |
| 20:34.49 | JoshH | well, one guy talked about he installed a hidden camera |
| 20:35.17 | JoshH | which is fine, but he then confronted the culprit, instead of doing what i would do |
| 20:35.44 | jsmith | JoshH: Post the video on YouTube? |
| 20:42.29 | jshipley | file a complaint with the police? |
| 20:42.58 | levi | Cut an ounce of flesh from him for every ounce of food stolen? :P |
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| 20:43.33 | jshipley | Steal his lunches? |
| 20:44.05 | jshipley | ~lart the lunch-thief? |
| 20:44.05 | ibot | whips the lunch-thief? with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 20:44.17 | JoshH | no, i'd put some kind of laxative type thing in it |
| 20:44.53 | jshipley | you could do that without posting a hidden camera, but it would be more fun to know who to watch running to the bathroom |
| 20:45.30 | JoshH | ya, the camera is fine, i'm just saying i wouldn't directly confront the individual after making the ID |
| 20:48.52 | Sargun | stream it live. |
| 20:49.14 | sjansen | Much better to create an anonymous hotmail account and forward the video to the entire company. |
| 20:50.14 | sjansen | Maybe add death metal background music. |
| 20:50.44 | RyanE | the law frowns on retaliation, and there's always the question of escalation. |
| 20:50.50 | sjansen | Create shirts and other collectible on Cafe Press with choice scenes from the video. |
| 20:51.04 | RyanE | If the person who got the laxative knows who did it, he'll probably do it back in your lunch that he *doesn't* steal. |
| 20:51.36 | RyanE | best to just leave them a nice note in the lunch that says "enjoy the laxative-lunch". |
| 20:51.56 | Sargun | RyanE, or put a note in the sandwich, so while they're eating it. |
| 20:52.03 | RyanE | ooh, even better.! |
| 20:52.03 | Sargun | they see it |
| 20:53.40 | JoshH | being posted on youtube is what happens to weird homeless people who do weird things in the alley/power vault behind xmission at night. search for "vaultman" if you want to see a mildly disturbing and possibly nsfw example |
| 20:53.54 | Sargun | o.O |
| 20:54.03 | Sargun | at the colos here are locked down pretty well |
| 20:54.34 | sjansen | Locked down inside, sure. But in the alley behind the colo? |
| 20:54.52 | JoshH | our alley is shared with restaurants, etc |
| 20:55.00 | Sargun | All the tier-1s here have at least 200 feet clearance |
| 20:55.08 | JoshH | it's defended by disgusting dumpsters and all manner of foul and dangerous things on the ground |
| 20:55.19 | JoshH | but the bums brave those hazards |
| 20:55.22 | Sargun | the tier-2s have about 50 feet of clearance, but there are all sorts of security guards around the buildings |
| 20:56.15 | JoshH | this is a small isp colo, not a huge heavily guarded fortress |
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| 20:57.34 | sjansen | What about the pinball collection? |
| 20:57.59 | sjansen | Surely infrared lasers and robotic guns have been added to protected the pinball collection. |
| 20:58.03 | JoshH | mostly moved out |
| 20:58.17 | sjansen | How tragic. |
| 20:59.02 | JoshH | the basement is still pretty packed |
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| 21:02.55 | RyanE | ooh. pinball... I need to finish the basement, but a pinball would be a nice addition. |
| 21:03.22 | levi | I wish I had a basement. |
| 21:03.45 | RyanE | dig yourself one. Then you'd not only have a basement, but a built-in pool, too! |
| 21:04.58 | levi | I'm afraid I wouldn't have much luck digging through the slab my house is built on. |
| 21:05.31 | RyanE | no crawlspace, either, eh? of course, Ace Rents *does* rent jackhammers... :) |
| 21:05.42 | RyanE | best not to push your luck in west Lehi, though... :) |
| 21:07.00 | levi | Yeah, some people in our neighborhood have had their basements flood. |
| 21:07.23 | levi | We looked at a house on the hill off of Redwood, but we went with this one instead. |
| 21:07.31 | levi | That one had a basement, and it was already finished! |
| 21:07.39 | levi | It had a bit of a smell to it, though. |
| 21:08.31 | RyanE | no basement > mouldy basement |
| 21:08.42 | levi | Probably. :) |
| 21:09.14 | levi | But I would really like a comfortable cave to retreat to sometimes. |
| 21:11.56 | levi | We've currently got an 'office' upstairs, but it gets really hot and my wife has filled it with all her craft stuff. |
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| 21:22.43 | jshipley | I'm not even sure I'd want an office, unless it was /my/ room, and my wife wasn't allowed to leave stuff there |
| 21:23.29 | jshipley | As it is, I generally have to shift random papers and things over to her side of the desk (a wide two-computer desk) so that I can have my space (and sometimes, so I can reach my keyboard) |
| 21:24.05 | sjansen | http://python-history.blogspot.com/2009/02/adding-support-for-user-defined-classes.html |
| 21:24.44 | jshipley | I'd love to have a basement though, maybe we can get one when we buy a house |
| 21:24.56 | sjansen | Interesting that so much of what defines the "flavor" of Python was a result of existing implementation, not deliberate language design. |
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| 21:32.36 | levi | jshipley: We do have separate desks, though I do occasionally have to move stuff back to her's. |
| 21:36.38 | RyanE | one of my favorite things about our current house is that my office is *not* my wife's office as well... |
| 21:37.17 | JoshH | i wish i had a separate office at home |
| 21:37.29 | JoshH | fortunately my wife isn't into crafts, but she does leave clutter all over the place |
| 21:38.26 | fozzmoo | I have an office in my basement and it was nice and quiet and secluded and all that... |
| 21:38.40 | fozzmoo | then we decided to put three more computers in it for the kids. |
| 21:38.45 | JoshH | i wish i had a basement with a secluded area to stash my loud servers |
| 21:38.49 | JoshH | instead of the closet in my office |
| 21:39.50 | RyanE | these are all reasons why we *built* our house... we got what we wanted. Of course, this was nearly 10 years ago, when one could afford to buy land in Ut. Co. |
| 21:39.57 | jshipley | I had a computer running in my living room for a while to use as a server, but I got sick of the noise and got rid of it |
| 21:41.33 | JoshH | i need to replace the loud 1U boxes i've collected over the years, mostly from consulting trades, with a quiet but powerful xen box |
| 21:42.06 | JoshH | and my loud, old cisco switch with a silent gige hp procurve |
| 21:42.12 | JoshH | unless i ever get a nice basement |
| 21:42.26 | JoshH | in which case i'll end up with a mini datacenter down there |
| 21:42.59 | JoshH | daydreams of having a nice basement in a house with utopia |
| 21:44.38 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:44.52 | levi | Yeah, fast internet would be nice. |
| 21:46.28 | JoshH | regularly checks home listings in murray |
| 21:47.00 | JoshH | decent house in murray with utopia and a nice basement would be enough to pull me out of SLC |
| 21:50.02 | RyanE | yeah, Utopia is the one feature my house doesn't have that I wish it did. Not bad enough to move to Murray, though. :) |
| 21:51.57 | fozzmoo | My parents just had Utopia fiber buried in their front yard. |
| 21:53.03 | JoshH | ya, i wouldn't want to move anywhere but murray for utopia |
| 21:53.19 | JoshH | otherwise i'd go to tokyo and get 100/100 ftth from NTT |
| 21:54.47 | JoshH | (if i was going to move anywhere purely for fast tubes with no other considerations) |
| 21:56.27 | jshipley | what does utopia cost? |
| 21:57.40 | tarrant | I don't have it but from what others have told me its like $50 for 40/40 up/down |
| 21:57.50 | jshipley | I found it |
| 21:57.58 | JoshH | 50/50/500 |
| 21:58.02 | JoshH | it's honestly an incredible bargain |
| 21:58.14 | JoshH | considering what qwest is charging for their much slower FTTN |
| 21:58.17 | jshipley | from XMission, for Murray, it's $40 for a 15 Megabit, or $60 for a 50 Megabit |
| 21:58.47 | tarrant | I want that up, I wouldn't have an issue running my own webserver out of my house. |
| 21:59.32 | sjansen | Well, other than your ISP's ToS. |
| 22:00.08 | JoshH | business comcast, qwest fttn, etc are much slower, much more expensive, and terrible TOS compared to utopia/xmission |
| 22:00.33 | tarrant | @sjansen: does xmission have something against it? |
| 22:00.47 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 22:00.50 | jshipley | there's a 500GB/month limit for the 50 Mb ($60/month) utopia from xmission |
| 22:01.11 | jshipley | then every 100Gb/month over that is another $20 |
| 22:01.15 | sjansen | And thus begins gradual intrusion of Twitter culture into IRC. |
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| 22:01.42 | jshipley | we should fight it by using really long sentences |
| 22:01.42 | sjansen | wanders off to clean his shot gun |
| 22:01.51 | JoshH | i first started seing "@username" notation on the wow forums, before i had heard of twitter |
| 22:02.13 | JoshH | and no, xmission doesn't have a problem with servers of any kind |
| 22:02.35 | JoshH | though they do test for open relays, and contact you to fix it if one is detected |
| 22:02.49 | tarrant | I apologize, I saw someone else use that style over in #python figured it was culture. I don't use twitter. |
| 22:03.08 | RyanE | xmission doesn't have a problem with you sharing your connection with your neighbors, either, as long as you are *their* support, not xmission. |
| 22:03.25 | tarrant | Niffty, makes me like xmission all the more. |
| 22:03.29 | RyanE | at least that's what they told me when I asked about it on the tour of Xmission that PLUG did a while back. |
| 22:03.40 | RyanE | they don't care what you do with *your* bandwidth. |
| 22:03.44 | JoshH | when was that RyanE? |
| 22:03.58 | RyanE | it's been a while, like 3 or 4 years. It was a fun activity. |
| 22:04.02 | jshipley | They also advertise their bandwidth limit, and just charge more for more usage... a lot nicer than many other ISPs that try to hide their limit on their 'unlimited' connection, and then just shut you off when you hit it |
| 22:04.27 | RyanE | yep. up front, even though you might not *like* bandwidth limits, at least you know what they are. |
| 22:04.58 | RyanE | I think they don't charge for xmission customer - xmission customer traffic, either, just external, but I could be wrong on that one. |
| 22:05.03 | JoshH | to clarify, those bandwidth limits are set by utopia, and every provider on it has to deal with them |
| 22:05.08 | RyanE | ah |
| 22:05.10 | JoshH | if you go over, the isp pays utopia |
| 22:05.12 | RyanE | nevermind. |
| 22:05.28 | RyanE | yeah, I'd like utopia, but the chance of Highland City ever joining it = 0% |
| 22:05.55 | JoshH | and 500GB is quite a bit |
| 22:05.55 | jshipley | I think I might switch over to xmission, but that might wait until I have a house |
| 22:06.02 | jshipley | even 100GB isn't bad |
| 22:06.31 | RyanE | I've only had 1 outage with Xmission in 7 years (and a couple of Qwest DSL outages). |
| 22:06.45 | tarrant | My lease runs up soon, I think I'm going to make utopia availability one of the primary concerns as to where. |
| 22:06.49 | JoshH | heh, you have probably had more than that, and just not noticed |
| 22:07.02 | jshipley | There was a pretty good outage a month or so ago |
| 22:07.05 | RyanE | well, for 3 of those years, I worked at home, and was on*all the time*. |
| 22:07.13 | RyanE | last few years, probably not. |
| 22:07.19 | jshipley | I believe the rumor was that somebody flipped a switch over there |
| 22:07.37 | RyanE | ok, maybe 2 or 3 unplanned outages in 7 years. |
| 22:07.47 | JoshH | you talking about the power outage in november? or the qwest trunk problem a couple months ago (dsl affected only) |
| 22:08.24 | jshipley | november sounds about right |
| 22:09.00 | jshipley | I guess it was longer ago than I was thinking |
| 22:17.29 | sjansen | 100GB is bad. Just yesterday I pulled > 2GB grabbing the latest Arch isos. |
| 22:18.13 | sjansen | Maybe 100GB isn't bad if all you use the 'net for is email and Facebook. |
| 22:18.46 | Sargun | xmission going out caused a small ripple on the net |
| 22:19.16 | RyanE | It was as if 1000 surfers voices cried out, and then were silenced. |
| 22:27.04 | jshipley | So if you're a light user and you're not going to use more than 100GB, then get the $40 package... for $20 more (what it would cost to go over 100GB), you can have a faster connection with a 500GB limit |
| 22:27.35 | jshipley | How could I monitor my usage for a month to see what I actually use? |
| 22:28.27 | Tene_ | jshipley: are you on xmission currently? |
| 22:28.40 | jshipley | No |
| 22:28.48 | jshipley | Comcast :( |
| 22:29.00 | Tene_ | Ah. XMission provides stats to all their customers. |
| 22:30.01 | Tene_ | Looks like I've used 130-something GB in the past four weeks. |
| 22:30.14 | Tene_ | They even give you graphs |
| 22:30.15 | jshipley | I have tv+internet from them right now, but I'm planning on dropping the tv anyway |
| 22:31.09 | jshipley | If you get DSL from xmission, do you have to write separate checks to xmission and qwest? |
| 22:31.30 | Tene_ | I have both automatically withdrawing from my checking account. |
| 22:31.35 | Tene_ | But yes, separate bills. |
| 22:32.06 | sjansen | ~steal Tene_'s _ |
| 22:32.07 | ibot | ACTION grabs Tene_'s _ and gives it to sjansen |
| 22:32.12 | Tene_ | Can you arrange for all of your traffic to go through a linux box? |
| 22:33.47 | Tene_ | there are a few monitoring and logging solutions for bandwidth use |
| 22:33.53 | Tene_ | munin is the first that comes to mind |
| 22:34.10 | Tene_ | I've also heard some peopl ein here use cacti |
| 22:41.00 | tensai | I use cacti. I like it, but its dependance on mysql has bit me in the butt a lot lately. |
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| 22:57.26 | levi | sjansen: You can use as much bandwidth as you want during unmetered hours. |
| 22:57.38 | jshipley | xmission has unmetered hours? |
| 22:57.43 | levi | Yeah. |
| 22:57.56 | jshipley | that's pretty cool |
| 22:58.22 | goozbach | anyone know how to print stuff directly to the screen in an X session |
| 22:58.30 | jshipley | You could download an Arch Linux ISO at night |
| 22:58.31 | goozbach | I want to annotate stuff automaticly |
| 22:58.33 | Tene_ | levi: xmission dsl does, but not utopia |
| 22:58.41 | levi | Ahh. |
| 22:58.50 | jshipley | I'd want utopia :) |
| 22:59.12 | JoshH | xmission doesn't have unmetered hours for utopia. |
| 22:59.17 | JoshH | used to for dsl, but now dsl has no caps at all |
| 22:59.47 | levi | My DSL apparently still has a cap. A soft cap, at least. |
| 22:59.56 | JoshH | what makes you say that? |
| 22:59.57 | Tene_ | levi: xmission dsl actually isn't metered at all anymore |
| 23:00.19 | Tene_ | they still measure it, but there are no bw limits on dsl. |
| 23:00.23 | levi | Ahh. |
| 23:00.30 | levi | That's good to know. |
| 23:00.48 | Tene_ | They don't really mention it anywhere last I looked. I had to ask on their IRC. |
| 23:00.53 | levi | I went over the 25gb/wk 'limit' a little while back. |
| 23:01.00 | levi | I guess that's why they never told me. |
| 23:01.17 | JoshH | it's not mentioned unless you ask |
| 23:01.27 | JoshH | but if you ask, you should have been told there are no caps |
| 23:01.34 | JoshH | but your stats report itself is the same as always |
| 23:02.03 | JoshH | dsl caps have been gone for almost 2 years, at least |
| 23:02.32 | levi | Interesting. |
| 23:03.49 | JoshH | people decided not to "announce" it just to avoid a potential flood of heavy users going wild, or something, but it's not really a secret or anything |
| 23:05.10 | JoshH | if a lot of 7MB users on the same OC3 were torrenting or something at the same time, it could saturate it, which rarely happens now |
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| 23:10.03 | harleypig | http://furnitureporn.com/ |
| 23:10.04 | brac | [Furniture Porn: Enter...] |
| 23:11.06 | sjansen | goozbach: Like OSD? |
| 23:11.36 | goozbach | sjansen: exactly |
| 23:11.46 | goozbach | but osd_cat doesn't seem to work |
| 23:12.45 | sjansen | Bummer, 'cause that's all I know about. |
| 23:14.02 | JoshH | aosd_cat works here |
| 23:16.15 | goozbach | I can get xmessage to work |
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| 23:50.14 | sjansen | printf "Multi-line\nmessage" | osd_cat -f "-*-*-*-*-*-*-96-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" -c blue -p middle -A center |
| 23:50.48 | sjansen | The biggest problem is that traditional X font names suck. Badly. |
| 23:51.24 | levi | Traditional X sucks, badly. |
| 23:54.12 | sjansen | "-*-*-bold-i-*-*-128-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" |
| 23:56.27 | sjansen | echo "A really long, unbroken message" | fmt -10 - | osd_cat -f "-*-*-bold-i-*-*-128-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" -c red -p middle -A center -d 30 |
| 23:58.53 | RyanE | yeah, I use osd_cat all the time. I have a little perl script that runs accepting socket connections that get notified to osd_cat. |
| 23:59.02 | RyanE | (i.e. for CallerID, etc.) |
