| 00:02.50 | tensai | how's this for a term of service? |
| 00:02.53 | tensai | "Engage in any pinging other than as directed by our technical support team;" |
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| 00:35.58 | herlo | ~ute |
| 00:35.59 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ute is Utah Tech Events Calendar - Located at http://tinyurl.com/utahtecheventscalendar |
| 00:36.06 | herlo | cool, it workes |
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| 02:13.33 | herlo | coming up, Matt Harrison presents on Scripting at Utah Python - http://stream.utos.org:8080 |
| 02:13.33 | brac | [Utah Open Source Streaming Media Server] |
| 02:28.16 | herlo | Now on http://stream.utos.org:8080 - Matt Harrison presents on Scripting at Utah Python |
| 02:28.17 | brac | [Utah Open Source Streaming Media Server] |
| 03:07.32 | levi | 'Scripting', eh? |
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| 03:22.28 | Supaplex | sounds scripted |
| 03:41.10 | eightyeight | so, it's not xfs. it's the drive |
| 03:41.25 | tensai | isn't that like having a presentation on Driving at the Utah Car Club? |
| 03:41.30 | eightyeight | after putting ext3 on it, three kernels fail to recognize it |
| 03:42.12 | eightyeight | so, back to worst buy tomorrow |
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| 03:44.28 | levi | Ha ha, expecting bash to have static scoping, and then asking if csh works better! |
| 03:49.00 | Supaplex | eightyeight: are they in the same place best lie is? :) |
| 03:49.23 | eightyeight | probably |
| 03:59.34 | Sargun_Screen | that's kind of funny that shell scripting has better ipc than a lot of languages. |
| 04:01.29 | levi | Sargun_Screen: Um, what? |
| 04:02.37 | Sargun_Screen | pipes = IPC |
| 04:04.18 | levi | Any scripting language worth the name is better at IPC than shell. The only thing sh has going for it is brevity in the simple, common case. |
| 04:05.02 | *** topic/#utah by eightyeight -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | md5 is so freaking weak and old, it should be burned, dragged through the streets nekkid, cained, and beaten over the head with a wet noodle |
| 04:08.21 | elg | s/md5/your favorite hashing algorithm in n years/ |
| 04:09.01 | elg | md5 hasn't earned any vitriol. it served us well, let it retire in peace |
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| 04:40.34 | sargun-palm | -date |
| 04:40.41 | sargun-palm | ~date |
| 04:40.42 | ibot | It is now 2009.02.13 4:40:42 GMT |
| 04:42.23 | sargun-palm | ~date |
| 04:42.24 | ibot | It is now 2009.02.13 4:42:24 GMT |
| 04:45.03 | sargun-palm | ~date |
| 04:45.04 | ibot | It is now 2009.02.13 4:45:04 GMT |
| 04:55.28 | Supaplex | ~mom |
| 04:55.29 | ibot | no, supaplex, I'm not your mother |
| 04:55.49 | Supaplex | thank goodness. you're too ugly to be a mom. HAH |
| 04:58.38 | levi | So, the Woz joined Fusion-IO as their Chief Scientist. |
| 04:59.59 | levi | I wonder if he's moving to Utah. |
| 05:00.12 | Supaplex | maybe he's a network engineer too |
| 05:05.16 | levi | They do flash-based enterprise storage. |
| 05:05.31 | levi | They've got a bunch of ex-Linux Networx guys. |
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| 14:23.25 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | md5 is fast, if you don't care about security it's still great |
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| 15:06.54 | eightyeight | ~date +%s |
| 15:06.55 | ibot | you date +%s |
| 15:07.16 | eightyeight | 1234537635 |
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| 16:20.16 | levi` | http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705284743,00.html |
| 16:20.17 | brac | [Deseret News | Buttars' educator bill passes Senate despite opposition] |
| 16:21.51 | RyanE | Dang. I glanced at that headline, and thought it said that Buttars passed out in the Senate... :( |
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| 16:26.06 | levi` | WTF is Microsoft going to sell in its retail stores?! |
| 16:26.40 | RyanE | They're just an Apple Wannabe, and as such, they need an 'Apple Store' |
| 16:26.54 | RyanE | We need a Linux Store. The geniuses could actually be geniuses. |
| 16:27.57 | levi` | Sure, they sell some mice and keyboards and whatnot, but mostly they sell software. |
| 16:28.38 | RyanE | Seems like a big waste of retail space. |
| 16:28.40 | levi` | Just doesn't sound like an interesting retail experience, considering you can also buy all their stuff at the local office store. |
| 16:28.48 | RyanE | or online |
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| 16:36.53 | sjansen | watch -n 1 date +%s |
| 16:39.37 | sjansen | levi`: Haven't you noticed? Microsoft is in decline, flailing about making stupid decisions because it has been dominant so long it is forgetting how to compete. |
| 16:39.50 | Sargun | 1234543215 |
| 16:40.06 | sjansen | How else to you explain the Seinfeld ads? Or Songsmith? |
| 16:40.44 | Sargun | sjansen, Microsoft should just built up its weapons arsenal, and take out Apple |
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| 16:41.51 | sjansen | -chat elg entered |
| 16:41.51 | brac | elg entered |
| 16:42.00 | elg | -chat sjansen left |
| 16:42.00 | brac | sjansen left |
| 16:42.01 | sjansen | brac: You really don't know much, do you? |
| 16:42.09 | elg | -chat today is |
| 16:42.09 | brac | today is also unplugged |
| 16:42.13 | tensai | watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); o=$((1234567890 - ${d})); echo "now=${d}; remaining=${o}"' |
| 16:42.52 | sjansen | tensai: Show off. |
| 16:44.09 | Jayce^ | nice touch' |
| 16:45.01 | Sargun | Damn shell scripters. |
| 16:45.45 | tensai | cat /dev/urandom >Sargun |
| 16:45.47 | elg | bash prompt anyone? |
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| 16:46.16 | Sargun | tensai, dd if=/dev/urandom of=tensai |
| 16:46.23 | Sargun | tensai, dd if=/dev/zero of=tensai |
| 16:46.34 | Sargun | oh, and |
| 16:46.36 | Sargun | ~lart Tene_ |
| 16:46.36 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples Tene_'s foot to the floor |
| 16:46.37 | Sargun | ~lart tensai |
| 16:46.37 | ibot | burns tensai to a crisp with a laser |
| 16:47.34 | Sargun | GRR |
| 16:48.48 | tensai | sjansen: did you notice my wise use of $(), ${} and ""? |
| 16:49.50 | Sargun | 1234543815 |
| 16:50.10 | Jayce^ | tensai, he's choosing not to look since you just 'served' him in simple shell scripting :-p |
| 16:50.13 | Sargun | lucifer |
| 16:50.19 | Jayce^ | geek "stomping the yard" ? :) |
| 16:50.30 | tensai | pimp my script |
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| 16:53.15 | eightyeight | 1234554321 is nearing |
| 16:53.38 | Sargun | 1234555000 is enaring |
| 16:54.09 | eightyeight | that number isn't prime |
| 16:54.56 | Sargun | you're not prime either. |
| 16:55.06 | eightyeight | i'm not, you're right |
| 16:55.14 | sjansen | watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); r=$((1234567890 - $d)); h=$(($r / 3600)); r=$(($r - $h * 3600)); m=$(($r / 60)); r=$(($r - $m * 60)); printf "$d\n$h:$m:$r"' |
| 16:55.38 | Sargun | nice. |
| 16:55.58 | tensai | I thought of that but was too lazy |
| 16:56.38 | eightyeight | what? no two digit seconds? |
| 16:56.43 | eightyeight | scoffs at sjansen |
| 16:57.38 | sjansen | watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); r=$((1234567890 - $d)); h=$(($r / 3600)); s=$(($s - $h * 3600)); m=$(($s / 60)); s=$(($s - $m * 60)); printf "$d\n$h:$m:$s\n$r"' |
| 16:58.06 | Sargun | sjansen, that doesn't quite work: 1234544306 |
| 16:58.06 | Sargun | 6:-360:0 |
| 16:58.06 | Sargun | 23584 |
| 16:58.12 | Sargun | What, no milliseconds? |
| 16:58.21 | RyanE | you guys are going to make it so complicated that the script'll take longer than 1 seconds to run, and you'll miss the epoch... :) |
| 16:58.36 | tensai | eightyeight: watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); r=$((1234567890 - $d)); h=$(($r / 3600)); r=$(($r - $h * 3600)); m=$(($r / 60)); r=$(($r - $m * 60)); if [ ${r} -lt 10 ]; then r="0${r}"; fi; printf "$d\n$h:$m:$r"' |
| 16:58.39 | eightyeight | that would be an awful slow machine |
| 16:58.54 | RyanE | or an awfully complicated script. |
| 16:59.16 | RyanE | pretty soon, according to someone's law (I can't remember which), this script will gain email functionality. |
| 16:59.23 | Sargun | RyanE, haha |
| 16:59.43 | eightyeight | it needs to be an emacs addon |
| 17:00.09 | tensai | watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); r=$((1234567890 - $d)); h=$(($r / 3600)); if [ $h -lt 10 ]; then h="0$h"; fi; r=$(($r - $h * 3600)); m=$(($r / 60)); if [ $m -lt 10 ]; then m="0$m"; fi; r=$(($r - $m * 60)); if [ ${r} -lt 10 ]; then r="0${r}"; fi; printf "$d\n$h:$m:$r"' |
| 17:00.50 | tensai | there. two digits for hours, minutes and seconds. |
| 17:01.25 | sjansen | watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); r=$((1234567890 - $d)); h=$(($r / 3600)); s=$(($r - $h * 3600)); m=$(($s / 60)); s=$(($s - $m * 60)); printf "%10d\n%10d\n%2d:%2d:%2d" "$d" "$r" "$h" "$m" "$s"' |
| 17:02.03 | sjansen | scoffs at tensai's lack of printf |
| 17:02.17 | sjansen | ~fart tensai's lack of printf |
| 17:02.18 | ibot | ACTION farts in tensai's lack of printf's general direction |
| 17:02.30 | tensai | hey, at least mine works |
| 17:02.40 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.49 | sjansen | Yeah, yeah. Skip one little test and you hear about it forever. |
| 17:03.25 | sjansen | watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); r=$((1234567890 - $d)); h=$(($r / 3600)); s=$(($r - $h * 3600)); m=$(($s / 60)); s=$(($s - $m * 60)); printf "%10d\n%10d\n%02d:%02d:%02d" "$d" "$r" "$h" "$m" "$s"' |
| 17:04.02 | sjansen | And now for the uber-special RyanE edition: |
| 17:04.37 | eightyeight | where's color? |
| 17:04.41 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:05.01 | eightyeight | and we haven't gotten it in the prompt yet |
| 17:05.11 | sjansen | su - -c "nice -n -20 watch -n 1 'd=$(date +%s); r=$((1234567890 - $d)); h=$(($r / 3600)); s=$(($r - $h * 3600)); m=$(($s / 60)); s=$(($s - $m * 60)); printf \"%10d\n%10d\n%02d:%02d:%02d\" \"$d\" \"$r\" \"$h\" \"$m\" \"$s\"'" |
| 17:05.55 | sjansen | It wouldn't work in the Bash prompt. Don't know about zsh. |
| 17:06.48 | eightyeight | same |
| 17:07.00 | tensai | PROMPT_COMMAND='d=$(date +%s); o=$((1234567890 - ${d})); echo -ne "\033]0;${d} : ${o}\007"' |
| 17:07.03 | eightyeight | at least the watch command |
| 17:07.52 | tensai | the problem with the prompt is that it only updates whenever a command returns |
| 17:08.53 | elg | but it's unobtrusive |
| 17:09.08 | eightyeight | sjansen: countdown in HH:MM:SS doesn't line up. sheesh |
| 17:14.19 | sjansen | Why you ungrateful!!! |
| 17:14.26 | sjansen | ~take eightyeight's time |
| 17:14.33 | sjansen | ~take eightyeight's command line |
| 17:14.59 | eightyeight | gets back for all the wasted lolcats and youtube videos posted from sjansen -- finally |
| 17:18.14 | eightyeight | 1234567890 should turn green when it hits |
| 17:19.08 | tensai | now just gotta kill 6 hours |
| 17:20.42 | sjansen | tensai: Not a problem. http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=10683 |
| 17:21.01 | sjansen | Even better! http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=4483 |
| 17:24.43 | sjansen | ~turn eightyeight green |
| 17:35.12 | levi | Whadda ya know, ksh93 has static scoping. |
| 17:35.25 | levi | ksh wins again. |
| 17:37.54 | high_roller | yes, but you can't have hypens in your env. variables in ksh ... |
| 17:38.20 | eightyeight | go zsh |
| 17:39.05 | levi | zsh uses dynamic scoping. |
| 17:39.37 | eightyeight | yeah. there was a discussion on their mailing list about it too some time ago |
| 17:40.14 | elg | -chat and now |
| 17:40.14 | brac | and now this is also the forwarder) returns instantly |
| 17:40.25 | elg | -chat you think |
| 17:40.25 | brac | you think that much from associates... it's usually just don't cross the streams |
| 17:40.57 | levi | Oooh, my uncle has a gate pass for the next shuttle launch. If I fly to Florida, I could watch it. |
| 17:41.40 | elg | if you fly me to florida, I could watch it. |
| 17:42.08 | levi | Well, there are only 6 passes. |
| 17:42.57 | elg | and you only have so much money for airplane tickets. I'll take pictures |
| 17:47.12 | levi | I'm afraid my money for airplane tickets isn't sufficient to fly anyone out. |
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| 17:50.47 | mrpull1 | levi: wow. that is on my list of things to do before I die. |
| 17:50.57 | gabegundy | I *am* cool enough to hang out in #utah !! |
| 17:51.13 | elg | ~cool gabegundy |
| 17:51.14 | ibot | ACTION takes out a fan to wave over gabegundy but decides to beat gabegundy with it instead |
| 17:51.14 | gabegundy | wonders |
| 17:51.15 | levi | gabegundy: Are you sure? |
| 17:51.29 | gabegundy | not really |
| 17:52.01 | levi | Oh. |
| 17:52.13 | jsmith | He's an impostor! The real gabegundy wouldn't hang out in #utah... |
| 17:52.39 | gabegundy | jsmith: No, it's me. I'm just cool now. |
| 17:52.50 | jsmith | gabegundy: Lucky you! |
| 17:52.54 | jsmith | wishes he were cool |
| 17:53.28 | gabegundy | jsmith: http://ecommconf.com/ -- you going? |
| 17:53.29 | brac | [eComm2009: Emerging Communications Conference] |
| 17:54.02 | jsmith | gabegundy: I'd love to, but I can't afford to go and the company won't foot the bill for that one |
| 17:54.25 | gabegundy | That's where I need to be. |
| 17:55.24 | tensai | mrpull: if you want to watch the shuttle launch, you better do it soon |
| 17:55.28 | Supaplex | where a gabegundy can be a gabegundy |
| 17:55.57 | mrpull | tensai: good point... my goal is more generic... watch something launched into orbit |
| 17:55.59 | gabegundy | that's right - let my inner gundy out. |
| 17:56.19 | tensai | elg has that new space port in his backyard |
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| 17:57.39 | elg | i'll bake you bread if you come |
| 17:58.33 | tensai | elg: when are they going to launch something? |
| 17:58.40 | elg | dunno |
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| 18:04.06 | tensai | "NMSA currently projects that the terminal and hangar facility should be completed by 2010" |
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| 18:07.17 | SpecialZ | Darn, I left my bottle of bubbly at home today. . . |
| 18:11.44 | elg | it's my understanding it's not exacly operational yet, but that hasn't stopped some things from blasting off from there |
| 18:12.07 | elg | but most things that blast off i hear about are still jumping from the mohave desert somewhere |
| 18:32.26 | tensai | elg: have you planted your garden yet? it's mid-february after all. |
| 18:32.55 | levi | We started some herbs in a windowsill. |
| 18:39.03 | elg | tensai: i planted in december, but mostly they've been hibernating |
| 18:39.09 | elg | even the radishes are just getting started |
| 18:39.18 | elg | but most everything survived, and is starting to take off |
| 18:39.30 | elg | a few other things i should plant tomorrow or sunday, if i'm in the mood |
| 18:44.06 | elg | i think they would have grown more but they only got abt 3 hours of sunlight each day at that position |
| 18:44.12 | elg | east side of the building |
| 18:44.45 | Jayce^ | is just getting ordering newer seeds finally |
| 18:44.50 | tensai | I might do some raised containers this year |
| 18:44.56 | Jayce^ | been mapping out new beds |
| 18:45.02 | tensai | I really want to grow loofa |
| 18:45.27 | Jayce^ | tensai, I'm taking the raised beds I have and buliding the simple greenhousing on them so I can get more going early |
| 18:45.48 | SpecialZ | ~dict loofa |
| 18:46.11 | tensai | SpecialZ: you've never seen a loofa sponge? |
| 18:46.29 | SpecialZ | Not a real one. Just plastic |
| 18:46.33 | Jayce^ | tensai is all about the exfoliation.. |
| 18:46.50 | tensai | Jayce^: I've thought about that. how're you building the greenhouse? |
| 18:47.17 | Jayce^ | on the cheap, since I don't want them to always be greenhouse.. so doing it like my dad used to do |
| 18:47.25 | Jayce^ | pvc + plastic sheeting |
| 18:47.41 | Jayce^ | pvc bows over the top, providing the support |
| 18:48.15 | Jayce^ | just have it fit into a small sized, but larger diameter piece of pvc that can then be attached to the bed |
| 18:48.32 | Jayce^ | viola, easily removable when you don't need it anymore |
| 18:49.06 | elg | what kind of plastic do you use? |
| 18:49.10 | elg | and how do you keep it on? |
| 18:49.21 | Jayce^ | visqueen (plastic sheeting) |
| 18:49.35 | Jayce^ | cheap, can buy it at any home depot/lowes |
| 18:49.42 | SpecialZ | Anchoring so it won't blow away? |
| 18:49.43 | tensai | what thickness? |
| 18:49.48 | elg | i did basically that on my raised bed with some clear painters drop plastic. heckuva time keeping it on though |
| 18:50.07 | elg | (for frost nights, so I didn't affix permanently with staples or anything like that |
| 18:50.18 | Jayce^ | tensai, not sure how many mil, going to play some to see what's best, but decent strength. |
| 18:50.58 | RyanE | in Highland, we have our kids' playground top blown off from the wind. I doubt if I did the simple greenhouse that the visqueen would last more than a week or so. |
| 18:51.05 | Jayce^ | I'll likely just duct tape this year, and when I see if I have things right I'll probably glue up a nicely cut piece to attach to the rods, like a tent |
| 18:51.51 | Jayce^ | RyanE, depends on how you let it in, could be a problem, but I bet you could get something in place. |
| 18:52.03 | Jayce^ | just as long as you aren't making a kite, it can be quite strong |
| 18:52.09 | RyanE | I think if I did, I'd have to go 'low to the ground'. |
| 18:52.19 | Jayce^ | EM gets quite a bit of wind, but my beds are pretty protected |
| 18:52.36 | Jayce^ | RyanE, might be better for you anyways if you are using it just as a "starting" greenhouse |
| 18:52.43 | RyanE | true |
| 18:52.44 | Jayce^ | just enough to capture the heat.. |
| 18:52.53 | Jayce^ | and not try to heat up empty space |
| 18:53.15 | Jayce^ | most the folks going for "bigger" are because they need to keep the structure to hold large plants |
| 18:53.35 | RyanE | yeah, I'm not growing any frreakin' banana trees. :) |
| 18:55.20 | Jayce^ | herb, from a rhizhome, not a tree :-p |
| 18:55.49 | Jayce^ | lunch, bbiab |
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| 18:59.21 | ^Migs^ | http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/ |
| 19:11.30 | sjansen | this the UUG's president's dreams of grandeur are slowly being crushed |
| 19:13.12 | gabegundy | Mmm, I'm ready for lunch. |
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| 19:14.09 | Sargun | Mmm, you're ready for lunch. |
| 19:14.19 | Sargun | goozbach, to be lunch? |
| 19:14.22 | Sargun | whose lunch? |
| 19:17.43 | gabegundy | this guys: http://12.media.tumblr.com/i2dw5nf19joscfebgzITL5Syo1_500.jpg |
| 19:18.44 | Sargun | mhmm |
| 19:20.25 | jshipley | Migs: That 12 bird love roast sounds pretty good |
| 19:20.35 | ^Migs^ | gabegundy: WHY would anyone eat that!? |
| 19:20.56 | elg | sjansen: elaborate |
| 19:20.57 | RyanE | sjansen: come on, tell us how you really feel about PHP... :) |
| 19:21.06 | gabegundy | ^Migs^: cause it's there. |
| 19:21.12 | gabegundy | and yummy :) |
| 19:21.14 | jshipley | It's also about the only thing on the list that doesn't seem really unhealthy |
| 19:21.41 | jshipley | Still, I think that if I was to try a multi-bird roast, I'd just stick with a turducken. |
| 19:22.32 | sjansen | gabegundy: I can feel my arteries hardening just looking at the photo. |
| 19:22.39 | gabegundy | It just needs gravy. |
| 19:22.54 | sjansen | clutches his chest and gasps for air |
| 19:26.44 | jshipley | gabegundy: gravy's fine, but it really needs more cheese and bacon, and probably a half-gallon of ice-cream on top |
| 19:27.21 | jshipley | and a 2-liter of coke to go with it |
| 19:39.36 | eightyeight | isn't there a utility to generate an iso image from a cd using error checking? |
| 19:39.48 | eightyeight | obviously, i could used 'dd', but that doesn't check my bits |
| 19:40.07 | eightyeight | wodim i think is for recording to cd, and genisoimage wants a dir of files, instead of a device |
| 19:40.59 | Tene_ | readcd |
| 19:43.51 | eightyeight | not installed, not available, unless it's under a different package on ubuntu |
| 19:45.06 | Tene_ | it's in wodim on Fedora |
| 19:45.10 | Tene_ | try also readom |
| 19:45.20 | Tene_ | dpkg -L wodim |
| 19:45.38 | eightyeight | ahh. so it's part of wodim. readom it is |
| 19:46.22 | Tene_ | readcd on fedora is a link to readom through the alternatives system |
| 19:49.42 | eightyeight | ahh. ok. that makes sense. thx Tene_ |
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| 20:36.32 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: ping |
| 20:41.41 | jessie | hello all |
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| 20:41.59 | Tene_ | hi jessie |
| 20:43.34 | levi | Sweet, terabit-per-second ethernet is apparently feasible over fiber optics. |
| 20:45.45 | jessie | i'm trying my hand at dvorak |
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| 20:46.00 | Jayce^ | apparently it's not working well |
| 20:46.12 | jessie | lol. it's a bit hard. lol. i'm getting there |
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| 20:46.25 | Sargun | jessie, you're the new PLUG recruit? |
| 20:46.28 | Jayce^ | apparently you didn't want to try irssi either |
| 20:46.37 | Sargun | levi, They (cisco) have done that before I thought |
| 20:46.50 | Sargun | levi, bonding 10x100GigE for the CRS-1 |
| 20:46.57 | Sargun | /ban |
| 20:47.05 | levi | Sargun: That's not quite the same thing. |
| 20:47.22 | Sargun | levi, yeah, but close enough, it's ethernet :-X |
| 20:47.34 | Sargun | levi, I think they did 802.3ad + 100GigE |
| 20:47.55 | Sargun | rather than the native bonding 100GigE supports (you can stick an arbitrary number of channels over it, to scale bandwidth) |
| 20:48.49 | levi | Whatever. |
| 20:49.04 | levi | And Jessie is hardly a 'new recruit'. |
| 20:49.20 | levi | He just forgot IRC for a while. |
| 20:49.39 | levi | He got all twitterpated. |
| 20:49.39 | Jayce^ | levi? or you thinking of Jesse? |
| 20:49.53 | levi | Oh, yeah, I'm thinking of Jesse. |
| 20:50.05 | levi | I guess Jessie is not Jesse. :) |
| 20:54.53 | Sargun | twitterpated |
| 20:55.43 | rsimpkins | Happy 1234567890 Unix epoch day everyone. What - like 2 hours to go? |
| 21:05.17 | tensai | 2:26:14 |
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| 21:06.34 | jshipley | so 20 minutes to go? |
| 21:06.57 | jshipley | oh, 2:24:18 to go |
| 21:07.32 | levi | It's not like the world is going to end or anything. |
| 21:08.24 | jshipley | It's not like the world ends on pi day at 1:59 either |
| 21:09.41 | jshipley | I wonder if they're going to celebrate when epoch has the same digits as 10*pi |
| 21:11.18 | jshipley | 3141592653 seconds since epoch - 21 July 2069 10:37:33 AM |
| 21:12.08 | jshipley | some of us could very well be alive to celebrate it |
| 21:12.45 | jshipley | we might not use the same epoch then... so we'd have to celebrate a special pi day according to an archaic time format |
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| 21:44.27 | ^Migs^ | lol @ this email I just got |
| 21:44.29 | ^Migs^ | "My fellow pupils and I have noticed that your start up desktop on your computers looks like a penis. You know, the one with all the swirls. If you look closely at the swirls that are highlited white, you can see the shape. This really bothers my classmates and I that we have to stare at that. please change it or tell whoever designed it to stop playing childish jokes." |
| 21:51.18 | RyanE | ^Migs^: Does it look like one? :) |
| 21:55.10 | ^Migs^ | I don't know...I don't have access to the desktops |
| 21:55.23 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure that it WOULD now if I looked at it. Horny kids. |
| 21:55.38 | RyanE | yeah, dirty minds see dirt everywhere. |
| 21:55.45 | ^Migs^ | That'll be my response. |
| 21:57.45 | ^Migs^ | RT: @BreakingNewsOn: BULLETIN -- WORLD IN A "SERIOUS RECESSION", SAYS IMF CHIEF. |
| 21:57.48 | ^Migs^ | WOW OMGNOWAI |
| 21:57.55 | ^Migs^ | Promote that man! |
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| 21:58.12 | ^Migs^ | if we're all in a recession, doesn't it kind of balance out? |
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| 21:58.55 | manithree | Is my clock correct, are we 1:32:30 away from 1234567890? |
| 22:00.24 | ^Migs^ | roughly, yes |
| 22:00.35 | ^Migs^ | who's going to throw a party? |
| 22:00.45 | manithree | wasn't sure my tz was right and all |
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| 22:17.25 | tensai | tz doesn't matter. unix epoch is the same everywhere. |
| 22:18.00 | RyanE | Dang. I was hoping to catch the NYC 1234567890, then the midwest one, then ours... :( |
| 22:25.15 | Sargun | No love for the west coast? :-P |
| 22:25.28 | Sargun | less than 4000 seconds to the 1234567890 |
| 22:31.06 | Sargun | Less than an hour. |
| 22:31.41 | mrpull | bah. it only counts for GMT |
| 22:33.28 | tarrant | So I want to get into System Administration (Professionally rather than as a hobby). What would be the recommened path to start? Job in IT and work up? Grab certifications from a school? |
| 22:33.59 | jsmith | Get a job, and get some on-the-job training |
| 22:34.36 | tensai | agreed. why not get paid to learn? |
| 22:34.36 | Sargun | tarrant, harass your friends and enemies until they get you a job. :-P |
| 22:35.29 | tensai | tarrant: are you on the local mailing lists? entry level jobs get posted there from time to time. |
| 22:36.07 | tarrant | I'm on the Sllug list. Not aware of any others. |
| 22:36.36 | Sargun | tarrant, setup a couple systems, loan them out to friends (shell) |
| 22:36.38 | toofer | Work at a webhosting company. Free basic on the job training. Some companies permit varying access to the systems and allow you to look at more things happening behind the scenes even. |
| 22:36.50 | Sargun | set it up in a secure way... |
| 22:36.59 | tensai | tarrant: plug list is a good one too |
| 22:37.27 | Sargun | tarrant, build your own PXE booting map reduce cluster |
| 22:37.31 | Sargun | tarrant, etc.... |
| 22:37.50 | Sargun | Run a distro which isn't Ubuntu and requires you to actually think (Think debian) |
| 22:38.03 | Sargun | Get familiar with one of the world's worst distros (RHEL) |
| 22:38.17 | tarrant | Freebsd desktop, Slackware Mail+Samba+SFTP+Git Server |
| 22:38.21 | jsmith | Sargun: s/worst/most widely used/ |
| 22:38.34 | Sargun | jsmith, they're synonymous... :-P |
| 22:38.44 | tensai | jsmith: the two are not necessarily orthogonal, cf. windows |
| 22:38.49 | Sargun | jsmith, Does RHEL have the biggest market share? |
| 22:39.36 | jsmith | Sargun: In terms of dollars it does... not sure on actually boxes/processors/etc. |
| 22:39.41 | tarrant | Thanks I appreciate the tips. :) |
| 22:40.07 | Sargun | jsmith, Yeah, though SuSE & Oracle Linux (basically RHEL) might beat it. |
| 22:40.56 | Sargun | jsmith, there are a lot of embedded installations of Linux also, that might beat it, but again, not in dollars |
| 22:40.57 | jsmith | Sargun: Oracle linux? From what little I know, it doesn't hold a candle to the number of RHEL installs. |
| 22:41.32 | Sargun | I think one big oracle license is like 100 big rhel licenses |
| 22:41.40 | tensai | it's the single most popular cheese in the world! |
| 22:41.54 | Sargun | ~lart tensai |
| 22:41.54 | ibot | pours gasoline all over tensai, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 22:42.53 | elg | applies to jobs at mit lincoln lab |
| 22:42.53 | Sargun | tarrant, Setup a bunch of systems with tunnels (try GRE, OpenVPN, etc...) between them, run Quagga, OpenOSPFd, and OpenBGPd |
| 22:42.53 | Sargun | tarrant, get familiar with PF & IPTables |
| 22:42.54 | sjansen | Ignore Sargun. He's just jealous because... well, I don't know. But RHEL is a great distro. |
| 22:43.36 | Sargun | sjansen, I prefer Debian personally.. I dislike RHEL because of their annoying sluggishness in fixing bugs and things. |
| 22:43.36 | sjansen | Probably afraid of popularity. If it's popular it must suck. |
| 22:44.14 | Sargun | sjansen, Example, they wont fix a Perl 5 bug because they would have to update the version |
| 22:44.29 | Sargun | sjansen, that causes it to run 10-15% slower |
| 22:44.34 | Sargun | sjansen, dumb reasons like that ;-P |
| 22:44.40 | sjansen | Sluggishness? So you mean you prefer Debian Sid. That doesn't make you qualified to give sysadmin advice, now does it? |
| 22:45.19 | Sargun | On my servers I'd run debian stable, or Ubuntu LTS |
| 22:45.34 | Sargun | but on my personal machines, I run Gentoo... |
| 22:45.42 | Sargun | I need every gram of performance. |
| 22:45.43 | sjansen | Debian: 2-4 years support based on how quickly they get their act together for a new release. |
| 22:45.51 | sjansen | RHEL: 7+ years support. |
| 22:46.14 | Sargun | sjansen, I thought it was 3 years for some reason... |
| 22:46.35 | jsmith | Sargun: Nope...sjansen is right on that one |
| 22:46.38 | sjansen | Hardware is cheap. Stability is expensive. Debian doesn't hold a candle to Debian for the needs of major companies. |
| 22:47.16 | tarrant | Debian doesn't hold a candle to debian? |
| 22:47.31 | sjansen | Debian doesn't hold a candle to RHEL. |
| 22:48.10 | tensai | regardless of what sjansen says otherwise, debian stable has worked quite well for my company |
| 22:48.10 | Sargun | hehe |
| 22:48.21 | tensai | but so has rhel |
| 22:48.22 | elg | i found rhel to be just that, red hell |
| 22:48.30 | Sargun | elg, it's not that bad.. |
| 22:48.35 | elg | running sid would of course be insanity |
| 22:48.38 | sjansen | Debian works for small companies where hackers are allowed to make decisions. |
| 22:49.01 | sjansen | If you're already running Debian at home, the company can ignore the expensive of staying on top of the latest Debian politics. |
| 22:49.06 | elg | so rhel is good because hackers shouldn't be running the servers? |
| 22:49.12 | elg | suits should? |
| 22:49.23 | elg | i'll give you rhel is a good distro for suits to run |
| 22:49.46 | sjansen | But if your people are normal (you know, don't hang out in IRC all day long) Debian is a miserable choice. |
| 22:49.47 | elg | very cut and dry, all things up front and predecided |
| 22:49.54 | elg | if you can fit in the rhel box, you can certainly be happy |
| 22:50.04 | JoshH | other than the longer support cycle and corporate backing, how is RHEL better? |
| 22:50.19 | sjansen | *shrug* It's the truth. |
| 22:50.29 | elg | JoshH: because it makes it nearly impossible to use useful software |
| 22:50.52 | sjansen | There's plenty of Debian admin. Small companies are the back bone of our economy. But the big boys mostly use RHEL and SLES. |
| 22:50.54 | elg | you're stuck with old buggy versions of mainstream software, but they're known quantities |
| 22:50.59 | elg | you can bank on them |
| 22:52.12 | sjansen | It's a different mind set. When you have less than 50 servers, it's easier to ignore how expensive and disruptive it is to update everything every other year. |
| 22:52.31 | elg | yup |
| 22:52.34 | JoshH | technically speaking, suits not being an issue, i don't think there's much difference in distro, other than length of support |
| 22:52.41 | jsmith-away | and when you manage 6500, it's a totally different story |
| 22:53.03 | JoshH | what i really don't get is the gentoo shops |
| 22:53.07 | JoshH | there are a few out there |
| 22:53.22 | sjansen | How much innovating does Debian do anymore? They're too busy arguing over the color of the bike shed. |
| 22:53.22 | JoshH | usually its' because there is one guy who gets to make decisions and he is a gentoo fan |
| 22:53.40 | sjansen | Used to be a cutting edge distro. But as Linux becomes increasingly commercial, Debian is getting left behind. |
| 22:53.59 | sjansen | Sure they adopt other people's technologies, but how much is Debian pioneering? |
| 22:54.02 | elg | debian stable is as cutting edge as rhel |
| 22:54.30 | JoshH | i don't think most innovation actually comes from distros, other than finding new ways to make the default desktop pretty. usually someone comes up with a good idea and it eventualy winds up in all the distros |
| 22:54.44 | JoshH | fedora probably is the most cutting edge though |
| 22:54.50 | tarrant | I think the big thing is that Debian provides the backbone for most other distros. Without that backbone we wouldn't have things like Ubuntu, or Mint. |
| 22:54.50 | elg | i think either debian stable or rhel is a fine choice for old and stable. it's just a matter of do you prefer the debian style or the redhat style? |
| 22:54.54 | JoshH | but it's certainly not for production |
| 22:54.56 | elg | debian has more packages. redhat has more support |
| 22:55.11 | JoshH | agreed elg |
| 22:55.12 | sjansen | Where most other distros equals Ubuntu. |
| 22:55.23 | JoshH | and ubuntu lts does have 5 years, but of course, they don't support every available package |
| 22:55.24 | sjansen | No other Debian based distro is major player. |
| 22:55.38 | elg | define major player? |
| 22:55.44 | sjansen | And Ubuntu is gradually drifting away from Debian. They don't like to admit it, but they are. |
| 22:55.51 | elg | debian, redhat, fedora, ubuntu, ... |
| 22:56.00 | elg | gentoo? |
| 22:56.01 | sjansen | Right. |
| 22:56.03 | JoshH | but they will never be able to completely divorce from debian |
| 22:56.04 | sjansen | No. |
| 22:56.13 | elg | so debian and redhat both have 2/5 of "major players" |
| 22:56.22 | sjansen | RHEL, SLES, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian |
| 22:56.23 | elg | and a whole slew of minor players are debian based |
| 22:56.35 | elg | oh yeah suse. my suse mental block keeps me from remembering them. |
| 22:56.38 | JoshH | meh, suse isn't worth mentioning in a serious conversation |
| 22:57.25 | sjansen | Pretty much everything else is minor. Most people haven't even heard of Mint. Lindows is dead. That other Debian based company is about to die. (Never could remember their name, Kept switching base distros.) |
| 22:57.51 | tarrant | Slackware, its still kicking and has a few 'children' distros. |
| 22:57.55 | sjansen | SLES is worth mentioning if you want to work as an sysadmin. |
| 22:58.07 | sjansen | I'm in Montreal this week teaching SLES admins. |
| 22:58.21 | JoshH | i'd rather be a janitor than a SLES admin |
| 22:58.30 | JoshH | give them my sympathies |
| 22:58.31 | sjansen | Not my favorite, but Novell meets to needs of a market. |
| 22:58.41 | sjansen | s/to/the/ |
| 22:59.07 | sjansen | So, yeah, ignore Debian fan boys when the slam RHEL. Just as much and more can be said about Debian. |
| 22:59.17 | JoshH | i wouldn't slam RHEL |
| 22:59.24 | JoshH | i do prefer the debian way of administration though |
| 22:59.44 | JoshH | and i think stable is a fine choice for any company that doesn't need oracle or peace of mind for suits |
| 22:59.53 | elg | i slam rhel subjectively |
| 23:00.06 | elg | sjansen slams debian subjectively |
| 23:00.07 | sjansen | I wouldn't slam Debian if Debian fan boys would just shut up. But I've gotten tired of the ignorance. |
| 23:00.09 | elg | objectively we all get along |
| 23:00.24 | elg | secretly |
| 23:00.31 | elg | much to everyone's surprise |
| 23:01.05 | JoshH | the main thing that pisses me off about debian are the douches who obsess over license details and end up with things like iceweasel |
| 23:01.14 | sjansen | tarrant: So anyway, listen to what everyone else was saying. Get a job and have them pay for certification. |
| 23:01.30 | elg | 30 minutes |
| 23:01.33 | sjansen | I do Linux training and certification exams. It's expensive. |
| 23:01.45 | tarrant | Thanks, I've been looking, I was more or less wondering if I needed to change how I was going about it. |
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| 23:05.08 | sjansen | Stupid hotel wireless. |
| 23:05.29 | JoshH | mod_rewrites the remote_addr of an annoying conservative on his forum to the obama girl video |
| 23:05.30 | sjansen | How hard is it to ask "how many days will you be staying with us?" and grant access for that long? |
| 23:05.52 | sjansen | Yet I've only ever found _one_ hotel that did that. One! |
| 23:06.07 | elg | overengineering |
| 23:06.56 | sjansen | I think it's deliberate. I bet they somehow think that forcing me to login to their stupid Web page and look at their stupid ads will increase brand loyalty. |
| 23:07.30 | sjansen | "This is your brain. This is your brain after taking a marketing class. Any questions?" |
| 23:08.53 | tensai | sjansen: it's all because it's the easiest. on the portal they set a default timeout and the front desk schlep never has to do anything (and thus can't mess anything up). |
| 23:09.51 | JoshH | i thought you generally just paid 10 bucks and got 24 hours, then paid again after that |
| 23:12.00 | tensai | I guess all the ones I've stayed at have been free internet |
| 23:12.14 | sjansen | My number one requirement when booking a hotel is free wireless because I can't expense it. |
| 23:12.36 | sjansen | No way I'm paying $10/day out of pocket for Internet access. |
| 23:12.54 | tensai | don't ever teach on a cruise then |
| 23:13.03 | sjansen | Most decent mid-range hotels give you free access. |
| 23:13.28 | toofer | sjansend: since you do certs how do you rate the RHCE these days? |
| 23:13.35 | sjansen | The only thing you get at a more expensive hotel is more expensive decorations, and no breakfast. |
| 23:14.04 | JoshH | well, and a nicer bed |
| 23:14.08 | toofer | /s/sjansend/sjansen/ |
| 23:14.14 | sjansen | I don't know the current state of the Novells certification exams. Otherwise, RHCE is better than every other cert. |
| 23:14.17 | JoshH | thinks of the crappy motel in kanab from a few weeks ago |
| 23:15.06 | sjansen | You have to remember, though, that RHCE is really an entry level cert. |
| 23:15.38 | sjansen | It says to an employer: This person isn't a total moron. He knows the basics of Linux, and was able to follow instructions. |
| 23:16.20 | JoshH | and could afford the cert (or had a good job previously and you can't treat him like dirt) |
| 23:17.18 | toofer | What are the enterprise certs then? Redhat seems to be the main contributor creating a stable path for Linux certs besides the CompTia. |
| 23:17.43 | sjansen | If you want to work for a small company, getting certification isn't important. Good small companies can recognize good employees. |
| 23:17.48 | toofer | The RHCE is something I've been working on just because I need the structure to help me study. |
| 23:17.56 | toofer | I agree |
| 23:18.06 | toofer | ** see previous message. |
| 23:18.49 | sjansen | But the bigger the company, the bigger the stack of lying resumes from unqualified potential employees hoping to trick someone into hiring them. |
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| 23:19.36 | sjansen | Certification is something they can look for to avoid wasting their time interviewing someone not worth hiring. |
| 23:19.57 | Jayce^ | 700 seconds.... |
| 23:20.16 | JoshH | i don't think interviewing only certified people is a good idea though, since plenty of great people have no certs. |
| 23:20.17 | Heartsbane | then eboner |
| 23:20.25 | sjansen | I don't want to say anything bad about specific certs. |
| 23:20.30 | JoshH | imo, it should simply be something to help decide between equally great candidates |
| 23:20.44 | JoshH | besides, there are plenty of people out there that got a cert without knowing much |
| 23:20.47 | sjansen | The reason I like RHCE is that you have to fix and configure a real computer to pass. |
| 23:21.08 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:22.18 | sjansen | RHCE doesn't mean that you know alot. It means that you know a little, and can follow instructions. Like I said, I think it is entry level. |
| 23:22.36 | JoshH | all the RHCE's i know are pretty advanced though |
| 23:22.41 | sjansen | Most big companies aren't looking for rock stars. |
| 23:22.59 | Heartsbane | Jayce^: freenode should do a premptive netsplit for the celebration and call it 'epoch fail' |
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| 23:24.12 | sjansen | *shrug* Maybe I've been doing this too long. RHCE doesn't seem advanced to me anymore. |
| 23:24.28 | JoshH | what does? |
| 23:25.29 | sjansen | https://www.redhat.com/certification/certificates_of_expertise/ |
| 23:26.40 | jalbretsen | sjansen: First and second year physics courses doesn't seem to advanced to me anymore |
| 23:27.17 | sjansen | Or to me. Just because my mother couldn't pass an RHCE exam, that doesn't make it advanced. |
| 23:27.51 | sjansen | RHCE means that you have a solid enough foundation to be able to learn fast enough to solve real world problems on the job. |
| 23:28.26 | toofer | As I mentioned before I like the idea of the RHCE simply for structured study and learning. |
| 23:29.32 | Sargun | Less than 3 minutes to 1234567890. |
| 23:29.42 | tensai | less than 2 even |
| 23:29.43 | Sargun | sjansen, I have a solid foundation to solve real world problems? |
| 23:29.51 | Sargun | 100 seconds |
| 23:30.01 | Sargun | 90 seconds..... |
| 23:30.07 | jalbretsen | GOGOGO! |
| 23:30.10 | Jayce^ | 2 digits |
| 23:30.18 | jalbretsen | joined the channel just for this moment |
| 23:30.21 | toofer | Thanks for the input everyone |
| 23:30.26 | sjansen | The suspense is killing me. |
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| 23:30.31 | Sargun | 10 |
| 23:30.41 | Sargun | 20 |
| 23:30.43 | tensai | 10? what 10? |
| 23:30.44 | Sargun | err.. fuck |
| 23:30.51 | sjansen | ~language Sargun |
| 23:30.52 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 23:31.05 | Sargun | -_- |
| 23:31.11 | Sargun | 20 seconds... |
| 23:31.19 | tarrant | Happy 1234567890! |
| 23:31.21 | Sargun | 10 seconds! |
| 23:31.26 | Sargun | 5 |
| 23:31.27 | Sargun | 4 |
| 23:31.28 | Sargun | 3 |
| 23:31.29 | Sargun | 2 |
| 23:31.30 | Sargun | 1 |
| 23:31.30 | brac | reminder (16:31:30): 1234567890 |
| 23:31.31 | Sargun | !! |
| 23:31.31 | tensai | weeeee! |
| 23:31.39 | Sargun | that was a short moment. |
| 23:31.41 | Sargun | it was beautiful. |
| 23:31.49 | tensai | totally worth it |
| 23:31.56 | Jayce^ | way cool |
| 23:32.00 | sjansen | Do it again! Do it again! |
| 23:32.02 | Sargun | ahaha |
| 23:32.07 | Sargun | sjansen, we're never going back. |
| 23:32.17 | jalbretsen | sjansen: Get the TARDIS |
| 23:32.18 | Heartsbane | weeee indeed this is better than New Years, oh wait that wasn't it |
| 23:32.22 | sjansen | I promise I'll be good. :-( |
| 23:32.49 | tensai | oh crap. I didn't get my wife anything for 1234567890 day. |
| 23:32.50 | sjansen | Looks like the excitement was too much for Jayce^. |
| 23:33.04 | Sargun | only 28 more years until 2**31 |
| 23:33.14 | sjansen | Well you'd better get her something for Valentines to make up. |
| 23:33.23 | tensai | Sargun: by then you'll be a real grown up |
| 23:33.40 | Sargun | tensai, and you'll be an old man with no teeth. |
| 23:34.14 | sjansen | And I'll have my own front porch, rocking chair, lawn and shotgun. |
| 23:34.35 | Sargun | assuming that china wont own the US by that point |
| 23:35.09 | sjansen | Whatever. They said the same thing about Japan 20 years ago. |
| 23:35.19 | sjansen | But you wouldn't remember tha, would you? |
| 23:35.31 | eightyeight | i'm setting my clock back |
| 23:35.53 | sjansen | Set your clock to local time like Windows users. |
| 23:36.14 | eightyeight | should i sync it up with time.windows.com? |
| 23:36.14 | sjansen | Just think, you'll be able to celebrate 23 times! |
| 23:36.16 | Sargun | sjansen, I was -2 years old 20 years ago. |
| 23:36.31 | eightyeight | i wal 11 |
| 23:36.35 | eightyeight | s/wal/was/ |
| 23:36.41 | tensai | eightyeight: I've been known to do that. it's a good clock and I get to waste microsoft's bandwidth. |
| 23:37.00 | eightyeight | but is it reliable? secure? |
| 23:37.32 | tensai | as reliable as the ones from redhat, ubuntu, apple, etc. |
| 23:37.48 | eightyeight | </sarcasm> |
| 23:39.27 | harleypig | what is the 300 countdown? |
| 23:41.02 | *** part/#utah toofer (n=toofer@kjordan.securesites.net) |
| 23:47.06 | Sargun | tensai, uhm, can ntp be anycasted? |
| 23:47.20 | tensai | yeah probably |
| 23:47.32 | tensai | time.windows.com is akamized |
| 23:52.04 | thesuperbigfrog | ~lart thesuperbigfrog |
| 23:52.04 | ibot | whacks thesuperbigfrog with a giant beaver's tail |
| 23:52.11 | elg | drat i missed it |
| 23:52.32 | elg | because somebody wanted help setting up network simulator on suse - weird tcl/tk errors |
| 23:52.34 | eightyeight | elg: no worries, there's 9876543210 to wait for. :) |
| 23:52.36 | elg | i want my life back |
| 23:52.47 | elg | luckily i have irc with timestamps |
| 23:52.50 | elg | and brac didn't let me down :) |
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