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| 00:26.13 | tristanbob | most hilarious error message in Evolution: "Backend is Busy" |
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| 00:35.22 | Sargun_Screen | haha |
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| 01:19.31 | Tene_ | ~lart amazon |
| 01:19.31 | ibot | whips amazon with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 01:19.43 | Sargun_Screen | Tene_: why are you larting amazon? |
| 01:20.00 | Tene_ | My books still haven't shipped after several days. |
| 01:20.50 | Sargun_Screen | sucks for you |
| 01:20.58 | Tene_ | yarly |
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| 01:27.13 | rsimpkins | Tene_: Do you mind if I PM you sir? |
| 01:27.21 | Tene_ | go ahead |
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| 01:52.48 | eightyeight | harleypig: what version of bitlbee? |
| 01:53.00 | eightyeight | harleypig: join_chat will only work with 1.2.3 or newer |
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| 02:37.52 | herlo | PLUG: Git meeting, streaming at http://stream.utos.org:8080 |
| 02:37.53 | brac | [Utah Open Source Streaming Media Server] |
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| 02:44.59 | herlo | just waiting for Ryan to stop yapping his mouth |
| 02:45.16 | herlo | :) |
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| 02:46.22 | herlo | audio should be going now |
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| 02:48.58 | Jayce^ | welcome to plug folks.. |
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| 03:00.40 | levi | At least you weren't waiting for him to stop yapping his mouth outside in the cold. :) |
| 03:02.19 | Jayce^ | was funny seeing rsimpkins get paged by you guys, and trying to finish what he was sayng |
| 03:03.54 | herlo | yeah, that was great... |
| 03:20.01 | Jayce^ | so you run GC in Git llike and old Vacuum in PG ? |
| 03:20.56 | levi | PG? |
| 03:21.26 | Jayce^ | postgres |
| 03:21.37 | levi | Ahh. |
| 03:21.40 | Jayce^ | of course, a vacuum in pleasant grove might be nice too |
| 03:28.24 | herlo | Jayce^: depending on the home, yes |
| 03:47.24 | Jayce^ | gives a hurrah |
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| 06:53.47 | jessie | hello guys. |
| 06:56.01 | jessie | has anybody gotten a chance to use Quassel IRC? |
| 07:00.39 | Sargun | jessie, hi |
| 07:00.48 | jessie | Sargun: Hello |
| 07:00.57 | Sargun | what's up |
| 07:01.02 | jessie | Sargun: I think I was told about you at the latest PLUG meeting. lol |
| 07:01.08 | jessie | You're the vim fanatic, right? |
| 07:01.31 | Sargun | yeah, I COMPLETELY love VIM. |
| 07:01.34 | Sargun | </sarcasm> |
| 07:01.45 | Sargun | jessie, in what context, how the hell did I come up? |
| 07:02.29 | jessie | Sargun: Whoops, wrong guy, apparently. I was just asked what text editor I use and so I mentioned vim. I thought it was you who somebody mentioned that could go on for hours about vim, but I guess not |
| 07:03.11 | Sargun | I hate vim. |
| 07:03.19 | Sargun | I like nano |
| 07:03.28 | Sargun | I'd say that's goozbach |
| 07:03.35 | Sargun | he's like the human man page |
| 07:03.45 | Sargun | he loves being asked stupid, ridiculous questions too. |
| 07:04.20 | jessie | haha... I see. Today was my first plug meeting. I have to say, it was quite a bit of fun. :) |
| 07:05.38 | Sargun | interesting |
| 07:05.45 | Sargun | who did you meet |
| 07:06.24 | jessie | I can't tell you names. But... I met the current president |
| 07:06.35 | jessie | And... Barry Roberts, was the guy's name, I think |
| 07:12.08 | Sargun | yes, that guy |
| 07:12.14 | Sargun | anyways, you an ubuntu user? |
| 07:12.57 | jessie | Kubuntu. I prefer KDE, but yes, I am. |
| 07:12.58 | jessie | :) |
| 07:13.14 | Sargun | ah, how'd you start using it |
| 07:14.05 | jessie | Well, 2 years ago when I was about 14, I had a server that my dad wanted set up for web, mail, dns, etc. |
| 07:14.31 | jessie | So I was looking for good distro's for servers. I saw the Ubuntu server, but heard that Debian was the way to go for servers |
| 07:14.54 | Sargun | oh, you're 2 years younger than me. |
| 07:15.07 | jessie | So I tried out the Ubuntu for Desktop, later, and got addicted to Amarok.. Later, I decided to try out the whole KDE suite. |
| 07:15.16 | jessie | Been addicted ever since. :) |
| 07:28.22 | jessie | Sargun: Well, I'm heading to bed now |
| 07:32.28 | Sargun | night dude |
| 07:32.42 | Sargun | jessie, sucks to be one time zone over. |
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| 08:13.07 | Sargun | Choose one: Lucifer or Satan? |
| 08:13.17 | tarrant | Diablo? |
| 08:13.49 | Sargun | no, too many people got diablo. |
| 08:13.57 | tarrant | ? |
| 08:14.09 | Sargun | lucifer it is |
| 08:14.13 | tarrant | I personally prefer Lucifer but I guess it depends on what you are asking for? |
| 08:14.25 | Sargun | I'm naming my laptop |
| 08:14.29 | tarrant | Ahh |
| 08:14.33 | Sargun | my last one was named god. |
| 08:14.51 | tarrant | I go with the greek pantheon there, Nike, Pandora, and Atlas |
| 08:15.07 | Sargun | everybody does that |
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| 16:36.57 | Jayce^ | http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_11683841 |
| 16:37.02 | Jayce^ | it's the end of the world as we know it! |
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| 16:41.59 | jsmith | Jayce^: I still prefer Five Guys... but competition is good. |
| 16:44.25 | Jayce^ | jsmith, yeah, that was my reply, my wife is an in-n-out nut though |
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| 16:47.22 | RyanE | It's all they talked about on KSL while I was driving in. |
| 16:47.35 | RyanE | Yeah, they make decent burgers and fries. Whoop. |
| 16:48.31 | toofer | You guys know who makes the best burgers in Utah County? I'll tell you, Tommy Burgers in Provo. |
| 16:49.08 | JoshH | provo has a tommys? the same tommys that's big in california? |
| 16:49.35 | toofer | It was the same Tommy's a very long time ago. Nowadays it's completely different. |
| 16:49.40 | smcquay | i'll eat anything that someone from california tells me is good; they tend to just, i don't know ... know what's totally awesome |
| 16:50.02 | JoshH | ah, i see |
| 16:50.26 | toofer | It's a franchise run by a guy from South America. |
| 16:51.48 | JoshH | utah does have a lot of decent burger options, and in-n-out will be a nice addition to the mix |
| 16:53.42 | toofer | where is there an in-n-out? |
| 16:53.50 | toofer | or where is it coming to? |
| 16:54.46 | tensai | toofer: [09:36] <Jayce^> http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_11683841 |
| 16:56.28 | unum | I didn't really think that much of in-n-out |
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| 17:02.05 | sjansen | I dunno. Five Guys and In-n-Out seem exactly the same to me. They're both "factory burgers and fries for minimalists". |
| 17:02.20 | sjansen | Their grease doesn't seem any more flavorful than other grease. |
| 17:02.28 | RyanE | I agree. Tommy burger in Springville does rock. |
| 17:03.02 | Jayce^ | sjansen, the fries are like night and day between the two |
| 17:03.13 | Jayce^ | and the options at 5 guys are a lot better |
| 17:03.17 | sjansen | I've had both. They're not. |
| 17:03.25 | JoshH | in-n-out is definitely overrated, but it does have a better, fresher taste than typical fast food |
| 17:03.26 | sjansen | 5 Guys does have more options. |
| 17:03.33 | JoshH | i'd choose it over mickey dees for bk |
| 17:03.52 | Jayce^ | I can't stand innout fries, I enjoy 5 guys |
| 17:03.54 | smcquay | i think it's coke/pepsi for burgers. you have to be a fanatic to appreciate the difference |
| 17:04.43 | sjansen | I dunno. There must be MSG in McDonalds $.79 burgers. They're just so good. Just the right amount of ketchup, a tasty pickle and that wonderful reconstituted onion. |
| 17:04.50 | smcquay | some people hate softdrinks and honestly can't tell the difference. i hate burgers and notice that people who live by the gospel of in-n-out are the same fools who wear shorts and sandals on byu campus from may-may |
| 17:04.54 | sjansen | (Sadly, I'm serious.) |
| 17:05.05 | JoshH | i prefer arctic circle for sub-1$ burgers |
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| 17:05.24 | smcquay | but i did enjoy my experience at 5guys |
| 17:05.33 | smcquay | JoshH: amen |
| 17:05.47 | JoshH | mcdonalds always tastes too peppery and their onions are revolting. even if you order with no onions, there are always a couple that slip in and ruin it |
| 17:06.08 | jshipley | If I was eating for $1, I'd probably go with a mcdonald's spicy chicken sandwich |
| 17:06.27 | JoshH | wendys spicy chicken stands above all others |
| 17:06.35 | harleypig | eightyeight: aptitude says 1.2-3 ... not sure what the actual version is. |
| 17:07.24 | sjansen | No man, the rehydrated onions are what make the burger. |
| 17:07.44 | JoshH | i truly hope you are kidding |
| 17:07.55 | Jayce^ | sjansen, my dat called them "fat pills".. |
| 17:08.00 | sjansen | I know it's disturbing, but I'm not. |
| 17:08.08 | harleypig | oh, hey! lookit that ... help commands shows 'join_chat' |
| 17:08.25 | JoshH | also, pickles are among the most foul things on this planet |
| 17:08.34 | Jayce^ | JoshH, agreed |
| 17:08.35 | sjansen | As for Wendy's Spicy Chicken, it is better, but it's also more than a buck. |
| 17:08.51 | Jayce^ | Carls Spicy chicken.. |
| 17:09.11 | sjansen | Geez, how can one man be so wrong. Just the right amount of pickle does _so_ much to improve a burger. |
| 17:09.36 | sjansen | Carl's has too much mayo. Can't ask for less, too complicated. Too dry without it. |
| 17:09.37 | Jayce^ | no pickle, extra onion, ketchup, mustard.. |
| 17:09.44 | JoshH | i'm actually a fan of the bacon ultimate cheeseburger at jack in the box, and i tend to get that more frequently than in-n-out when traveling |
| 17:09.59 | Jayce^ | yeah, a jack would be nice around here |
| 17:10.02 | Jayce^ | miss those |
| 17:10.14 | sjansen | The best thing about Jack is the antenna toppers. |
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| 17:11.30 | jshipley | JoshH: I had that at a JIB in california, and absolutely loved it. I tried it again around here and thought that it was just okay. |
| 17:11.50 | JoshH | they can be hit or miss, like all fast food |
| 17:12.06 | Jayce^ | wishes brand-X was still open |
| 17:12.13 | jshipley | I'm sure the burger was pretty much the same in both places though, it could have just been me. Sometimes things taste a lot better than other times |
| 17:12.14 | Jayce^ | finally get a job back down near them, and they close |
| 17:12.26 | goozbach | now you guys need to just stop arguing and go to apollo burger |
| 17:12.28 | JoshH | jshipley: where did you get one around here? i thought only st george had one |
| 17:12.41 | Jayce^ | goozbach, apollo++ |
| 17:12.44 | JoshH | apollo/crown are in the top 3 in utah, for sure |
| 17:12.58 | jshipley | well, not exactly around here... it was in St George |
| 17:13.02 | Jayce^ | and of course, Red Robin |
| 17:13.04 | JoshH | ah, ok |
| 17:13.11 | JoshH | ya, i love red robin |
| 17:13.35 | Jayce^ | one of the few places around that has realized the awesomeness that is a fried egg on a burger |
| 17:13.49 | goozbach | is watering at the mouth thinking of a crown with bacon |
| 17:13.52 | JoshH | and of course, the red robin burger is the only thing to get there |
| 17:14.03 | Jayce^ | JoshH, you mean the Royal? |
| 17:14.11 | JoshH | oh, right |
| 17:14.24 | Jayce^ | there are other good ones, but I always go back to the royal |
| 17:14.25 | tensai | Jayce^: there's a Jack here, not too far from my place |
| 17:14.31 | maquis | i like their mushroom burger |
| 17:14.35 | goozbach | every time we get into utah the apollo on north temple is the first stop after getting the rental car |
| 17:14.50 | maquis | but then again, i eat mushroom burgers just about anywhere i go |
| 17:15.01 | Jayce^ | yeah, I have to drive up by the Y now to get burger supreme ... |
| 17:15.24 | Jayce^ | tensai, maybe I'll stop there next time I'm up.. |
| 17:15.55 | JoshH | honestly though, fresh lean ground beef, handmade into patties with chopped garlic, charcoal grilled at home with hickory and/or mesquite chips is the best |
| 17:16.03 | JoshH | i have that at least once a week when it's not winter |
| 17:16.17 | Jayce^ | is well known for grilling even in blizzards.. |
| 17:16.18 | elg | is so confused |
| 17:16.40 | tensai | shakes elg until the confusion falls out |
| 17:16.42 | goozbach | JoshH: I grill year round |
| 17:16.48 | JoshH | i would, but i'd have to do a LOT of snow clearing |
| 17:17.05 | JoshH | my grill and entire patio area are buried |
| 17:17.13 | elg | found this nifty git gui for osx, think gitk without the ugly |
| 17:17.24 | tensai | JoshH: that's my problem. I would but the grill is rather buried. |
| 17:17.42 | elg | beautiful, well-behaved, etc. but the stupid thing doesn't even try to have a view of the DAG |
| 17:17.58 | elg | just shows a linearized history of the current branch |
| 17:18.00 | elg | what a waste |
| 17:18.16 | elg | otoh, i found tig which is a console version of what gitk does |
| 17:18.23 | elg | its graph view is a bit ugly but functional |
| 17:19.00 | Jayce^ | elg, links? just trying to built everything to try git cola out right now |
| 17:19.23 | jshipley | elg: you could submit a patch with a decent dag |
| 17:19.27 | elg | http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/index.html |
| 17:19.48 | elg | jshipley: i might could. it's ruby. but it would require a fundamental shift in the gui design |
| 17:19.55 | elg | and i don't have time :( |
| 17:20.22 | elg | here's tig http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ |
| 17:20.37 | elg | tig is in macports, but it was an old version so i grabbed the source |
| 17:20.45 | jshipley | maybe it will have one in a future version. it seems like a feature that a lot of people would like to have |
| 17:20.54 | elg | nub screenshots http://wiki.github.com/Caged/gitnub |
| 17:22.25 | elg | actually the network view isn't far off what's needed (that only works for github repos and is focused on n developers, not branches in the current repo) |
| 17:26.31 | elg | there's a feature request for it in the bug tracker, but when i tried to create an account to metoo, the bug tracker website had a cow |
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| 17:47.09 | jessie | hey guys. |
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| 17:48.03 | jessie | hey |
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| 17:49.00 | jessie | is it finally working? lol |
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| 17:51.36 | RyanE | apparently not. :) |
| 17:53.01 | Jayce^ | if it does stay on, we'll just have to kick it |
| 18:28.03 | manithree | I never got around to showing git cola last night |
| 18:28.15 | manithree | a question distracted me |
| 18:29.28 | elg | does gitcola have a tree view? |
| 18:29.40 | elg | for the dag |
| 18:29.46 | manithree | magit http://zagadka.vm.bytemark.co.uk/magit/ r0xrs |
| 18:29.48 | brac | [It's Magit!] |
| 18:29.49 | manithree | elg: no |
| 18:29.59 | elg | doesn't understand guis that don't do that |
| 18:30.06 | elg | that's the most important thing |
| 18:30.11 | manithree | gitk works better than git-gui |
| 18:30.18 | manithree | so why replace it |
| 18:30.20 | elg | gitk sucks on osx |
| 18:30.32 | manithree | looks sucky everywhere, but it functions well |
| 18:30.35 | elg | and only slightly less on other platforms |
| 18:30.41 | elg | tk is a usability nightmare |
| 18:31.18 | elg | right. so what's needed is a gitk killer. works everywhere but doesn't suck |
| 18:32.05 | elg | qgit isn't bad, actually, but I think i'm steering toward tig |
| 18:32.47 | manithree | qgit doesn't have the actions on the context menu (rt-click on a commit) that gitk does |
| 18:32.51 | manithree | or all of them |
| 18:33.05 | manithree | gitview could be ok, too |
| 18:33.13 | elg | it could though. |
| 18:34.56 | elg | gitview looks nice |
| 18:35.13 | elg | but gtk isn't the most portable option and wouldn't necessarily suck less than gitk on other platforms |
| 18:36.45 | manithree | it might still suck, but, come on, gtk sucks less than tk |
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| 18:38.55 | manithree | magit doesn't have a date on it's tree view -- bugs me |
| 18:39.01 | elg | yes, definitely better on linux |
| 18:39.17 | manithree | gtk is not bad on windows, either |
| 18:40.25 | elg | gtk on osx is improving. they finally have an alpha version for native widgets |
| 18:40.25 | elg | but mostly it's relegated to working in X only |
| 18:40.25 | manithree | but qgit is further along than gitview |
| 18:40.25 | elg | qgit works great on osx |
| 18:43.07 | elg | but yeah, i'm liking tig |
| 18:43.12 | elg | it's like mutt for git |
| 18:49.03 | manithree | that's what I like about magit |
| 18:49.17 | elg | magit looks like gnus for git. :) |
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| 19:22.34 | Jayce^ | http://www.kutv.com/mostpopular/story/Defense-asks-for-no-Mormons-on-murder-trial-jury/caGP5Rv8MEeeZTywkhaq8w.cspx |
| 19:24.00 | elg | "who might believe that the only way for him to be forgiven by God is to be executed." huh? |
| 19:24.32 | elg | wonder where they came up with that |
| 19:24.57 | JoshH | i've heard conflicting things about the blood atonement philosophy |
| 19:25.02 | maquis | wow... that's interesting |
| 19:25.07 | JoshH | seems like some mormons deny it exists, and others don't |
| 19:25.07 | maquis | never heard of that view |
| 19:25.37 | JoshH | but in this case, it sounds like the lawyer is just being an idiot |
| 19:25.39 | elg | i have never even heard rumor of that |
| 19:25.59 | maquis | i've neve heard rumors of thta before either... |
| 19:26.00 | elg | though i wouldn't be surprised if some sect or some group believ{s,ed} it |
| 19:26.13 | maquis | but i guess i don't listen to too many rumors of what we believe :) |
| 19:26.15 | JoshH | elg: it's one of those things that was a big deal in the brigham young days that supposedly isn't considered valid anymore, or something |
| 19:26.17 | elg | it's certainly not even a mainstream myth |
| 19:26.35 | elg | like the adam-god theory probably |
| 19:26.45 | elg | they had pretty active imaginations back then |
| 19:27.24 | JoshH | yep, and no tv |
| 19:27.46 | tensai | no beer and no tv make homer something something |
| 19:27.55 | ^Migs^ | it's not a matter of just Mormons denying it exists, JoshH. Historians dispute whether or not it actually meant what we may think back then. |
| 19:27.55 | JoshH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement |
| 19:30.03 | JoshH | it's probably the 1800's mormon equivalent of modern day honor killings in remote islamic areas |
| 19:31.12 | ^Migs^ | maybe |
| 19:31.45 | ^Migs^ | but yeah, that lawyer is just trying to rattle a few chains, nothing more |
| 19:31.50 | ^Migs^ | *rattle a few cages |
| 19:31.54 | JoshH | just a crazy belief that someone needs to be killed for a sin, that most civilized people these days reject |
| 19:32.09 | ^Migs^ | why is it "crazy?" It's just a cultural phenomenon. |
| 19:32.24 | ^Migs^ | the ancient Jews did far "worse" |
| 19:32.32 | JoshH | well, i'd say it's crazy according to my personal standards |
| 19:32.42 | elg | i don't know about cages. the lawyer probably just wants people with less black and white morality views on the jury |
| 19:32.50 | JoshH | ancient people did a lot of crazy things |
| 19:33.01 | elg | ain't that the truth |
| 19:33.02 | ^Migs^ | they didn't think they were that crazy, otherwise their society wouldn't have been doing them |
| 19:33.16 | elg | wonders which of our things people will think were crazy |
| 19:33.30 | ^Migs^ | Notice I said society. Individuals certainly do "crazy" things that go against the mainstream, but it's not so crazy when the entire group does it. |
| 19:33.45 | elg | it is when you compare that group to a not-crazy group |
| 19:33.48 | JoshH | i'm sure there were some members of that society that felt it was crazy |
| 19:33.59 | JoshH | just like there are people today that think our society has lots of craziness |
| 19:34.07 | ^Migs^ | sure, elg |
| 19:34.12 | ^Migs^ | but within that group, it's not crazy. |
| 19:34.23 | ^Migs^ | yeah but they're wrong. America kicks butt. |
| 19:34.28 | JoshH | the heavens gate cult probably didn't think they were crazy |
| 19:34.30 | JoshH | but i think they were |
| 19:34.34 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 19:34.45 | ^Migs^ | maybe they weren't crazy thouh? |
| 19:34.46 | ^Migs^ | *though |
| 19:34.53 | ^Migs^ | how do you really know? |
| 19:34.55 | elg | if they weren't crazy then JoshH is |
| 19:35.04 | elg | but from his perspective it's still crazy |
| 19:35.06 | elg | qed |
| 19:35.10 | ^Migs^ | maybe no one is crazy |
| 19:35.27 | elg | we have a few counterexamples right here |
| 19:35.29 | elg | -chat you are |
| 19:35.29 | brac | you are blind to reality, apparently. |
| 19:36.05 | ^Migs^ | at least I know I'M not crazy |
| 19:36.24 | ^Migs^ | no matter what my therapist says |
| 19:37.57 | JoshH | i don't think crazy and insane are the same thing |
| 19:38.39 | ^Migs^ | I do. And since I'm not crazy, I must be right. Therefore you wrong, and therefore crazy. |
| 19:38.46 | JoshH | japanese game show contestants are crazy, but not insane (in most cases) |
| 19:40.21 | rsimpkins | I'm going to have to go ahead and disgree with you on that one, yeah. |
| 19:40.34 | rsimpkins | Japanese game show contestants are both crazy and insane. |
| 19:41.18 | elg | :) |
| 19:41.36 | JoshH | ok, i'll concede that |
| 19:55.30 | sjansen | eightyeight: Why the XFS hate? |
| 20:01.05 | sjansen | blood atonements exists, it's just false doctrine |
| 20:01.50 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | xfs is teh awesome |
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| 20:04.28 | eightyeight | sjansen: it keeps losing it's superblock, and i keep having to 'xfs_repair' the dang thing |
| 20:05.09 | JoshH | the nasty xfs bug from 2.6.17 or so used to drive me bonkers until i realized what was going on |
| 20:05.43 | eightyeight | i've grown tired of fixing my partition everytime xfs wan't to crap out |
| 20:05.48 | eightyeight | it's gone ext3 |
| 20:06.08 | eightyeight | we'll see if i have any issues from here, as i'm not ruling out that it's hardware related |
| 20:07.55 | manithree | I've been trying ext4 since I upgraded to fc10 at home. anybody had any problems with it yet? |
| 20:10.53 | sjansen | eightyeight: Have you considered JFS? |
| 20:11.37 | sjansen | Even though everyone I know is using XFS, because of the scary stuff I've been reading about XFS, I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that it is crap. |
| 20:11.59 | tarrant | I |
| 20:12.06 | sjansen | Haven't had any problems with JFS yet. But I don't know many other people using it, so maybe that's why. |
| 20:12.09 | tarrant | I've been using jfs for a while can't say I have any issues. |
| 20:12.42 | high_roller | is looking forward to brtfs |
| 20:16.13 | eightyeight | i am running xfs in my laptop, with no issues. but i've heard that on 32-bit kernels, it blows, where it's more stable on 64-bit kernels |
| 20:17.05 | jsmith | is trying out both ext4 and btrfs on his crash-test-dummy box |
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| 20:20.28 | elg | i've never had trouble with xfs on 32-bit |
| 20:22.19 | Jayce^ | used it for years on 32-bit |
| 20:28.17 | sjansen | To be fair, the exact warning is XFS on 32-bit kernels with 4k stacks. |
| 20:28.48 | sjansen | Red Hat/Fedora ships 4KStacks, but most other distros don't. |
| 20:29.28 | sjansen | http://lwn.net/Articles/150580/ |
| 20:41.30 | elg | doesn't get the "beg the question" deal |
| 20:41.53 | elg | i understand it doesn't mean what it sounds like it means |
| 20:41.59 | elg | or didn't originally anyway |
| 20:42.02 | elg | http://begthequestion.info/faq.php |
| 20:42.03 | brac | [Beg The Question // FAQ] |
| 20:42.25 | elg | but the argument against letting the language evolve is "we'd lose the phrase to describe what it actually means" |
| 20:42.40 | elg | but what it actually means is only important to philosphers, who could be perfectly happy with the latin |
| 20:43.18 | elg | It would be as though people started using "the die is cast" to mean dying, simply because the word "die" is in there, without any knowledge of Caesar. |
| 20:43.22 | elg | </quote> |
| 20:43.34 | elg | uh, I don't know what that has to do with caesar |
| 20:43.40 | elg | so yeah, totally |
| 20:43.53 | elg | but the idiom still makes sense |
| 20:44.20 | elg | btq makes no sense on its own with modern definitions of those words |
| 20:44.37 | elg | is it any surprise people don't attach the original meaning to it? |
| 20:44.44 | elg | esp. when what it appears to say is much more useful |
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| 20:55.05 | Sargun | Hey, where do you put commands again so they're run when X starts up? |
| 20:57.00 | elg | depends |
| 20:57.17 | elg | .xinitrc, .xsession, others, neither, etc. |
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| 21:05.55 | levi | WTF, MLM financial advising? That sounds like a total fail. |
| 21:10.08 | ^Migs^ | is there a freeware tool for converting MP4s to VOBs? |
| 21:10.25 | ^Migs^ | well, besides ffmpeg |
| 21:10.25 | Jayce^ | levi, nothing new.. |
| 21:10.26 | ^Migs^ | or mencoder |
| 21:10.28 | ^Migs^ | actually nm |
| 21:10.32 | Jayce^ | and they always grow at times like this |
| 21:15.29 | levi | I guess. |
| 21:15.39 | levi | I hate MLM companies. |
| 21:17.24 | elg | ^Migs^: I don't think nm will do the trick |
| 21:22.40 | Sargun | elg, Well, I'm attempting not to screw up anything else |
| 21:22.54 | elg | you'll have to give more details |
| 21:23.03 | elg | like what you want to start, what desktop you use, distro, etc. |
| 21:35.20 | ^Migs^ | that's why I said nm, because I realized I'd actually need it on Windows |
| 21:35.48 | unum | Jayce^: how do I deal with null values when useing place holders in perl? |
| 21:37.27 | sjansen | Sargun: I wrote a couple of great pages on just that subject for GL a couple years ago. |
| 21:38.01 | sjansen | I'm sure we could arrange a discount for you. How does $200 for 5 minutes of tutoring sound? ;-) |
| 21:38.39 | sjansen | The best news is, if you're using a recent desktop, the best solution might actually work. :-) |
| 21:39.08 | sjansen | The bad news is, if you're using an old desktop like RHEL or SLES, both Gnome and KDE were mostly broken. :-( |
| 21:39.31 | Sargun | I found an alternative -_- |
| 21:40.16 | Jayce^ | unum, give it undef |
| 21:40.20 | sjansen | http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html <-- The once and future autostart standard. |
| 21:40.20 | brac | [Desktop Application Autostart Specification] |
| 21:40.46 | ^Migs^ | http://www.dlisted.com/node/30670/images/nadyababies1.jpg |
| 21:43.18 | unum | thanks |
| 21:52.15 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | fudge brownies are teh awesome |
| 21:52.34 | Jayce^ | looks like the brownies did him in.. |
| 21:54.54 | elg | ^Migs^: probably fake |
| 21:56.18 | ^Migs^ | no, that's the chick who just had octopulets |
| 21:56.27 | elg | i know who it is |
| 21:56.31 | elg | i bet it's a fake photo |
| 21:56.35 | ^Migs^ | you think? |
| 21:56.36 | ^Migs^ | why? |
| 21:56.53 | ^Migs^ | the belly is quite huge, but not more than I'd expect |
| 21:56.56 | elg | because she was bedridden for weeks because she had a hard time getting up one day and went to the doctor |
| 21:57.03 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 21:57.36 | unum | ok so in perl I have a hash that I want to pass to a function and then return the hash back |
| 21:57.38 | ^Migs^ | I think it's real |
| 21:57.49 | unum | how to I reference the hash after I pass it to the function |
| 21:57.53 | ^Migs^ | if not, then it's "real-ish" |
| 21:58.48 | elg | unum: in perl don't you have to shift off the parameters? |
| 21:58.56 | elg | from @_ or something |
| 21:58.59 | elg | my memory is hazy |
| 22:00.03 | unum | elg: I did that but only got one pair from the hash, I think |
| 22:00.16 | unum | I guess I should shift all of them.... |
| 22:00.17 | levi | elg: The horrible abominations that perl requires are naturally repressed by a healthy brain. |
| 22:00.47 | Jayce^ | unum, are you passing just a literal hash, and then shifting from the list? well, you'd pull just the first list entry (a hash is a list) |
| 22:01.11 | unum | Jayce^: how do I pull the whole hash in? |
| 22:01.42 | Jayce^ | my returnref = &foo( \%myhash ); sub foo { my $hashref = shift; return $hashref; } |
| 22:01.51 | Jayce^ | in basic.. |
| 22:01.59 | unum | thanks |
| 22:02.27 | Jayce^ | if you do &foo( %hash ) and then shift, shift just pulls the first element from the implicit @_.. which is the first key in the hash |
| 22:02.36 | unum | ya that's what I was seeing |
| 22:02.46 | Jayce^ | by passing by reference, you're talking about the whole hash |
| 22:04.16 | elg | Jayce^: that looks like perl not BASIC |
| 22:06.58 | ^Migs^ | lol, I just went to pull a USB drive out of the port, and the casing came right off...the circuitboard stayed in the port |
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| 22:21.14 | maquis | o/~ caught in the undertow, just caught in the undertow... o/~ |
| 22:21.53 | jessie | Hey guys. I'm trying to check to to see if my proxy is working correctly. Can you read this? |
| 22:21.55 | maquis | o/) <-- that makes a good eighth-note, too |
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| 22:22.21 | maquis | jessie: i could hear what you were saying earlier |
| 22:22.33 | maquis | and i can see you now |
| 22:23.06 | jessie | maquis: Good. Except whenever I type anything I get, "jessie (n=Jessie@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) has quit" |
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| 22:23.29 | maquis | and... you do quit :) |
| 22:23.36 | maquis | which kinda sucks |
| 22:23.50 | maquis | i'm sure that makes it difficult to carry on a conversation |
| 22:24.02 | jessie | Hmmm.... That's dumb. My school blocks IRC, I think. And so that is why... haha... But it's only at school, soooo.. meh |
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| 22:24.36 | maquis | jessie: you got a machine you can ssh to? i just run irc in a screen session... |
| 22:25.32 | jessie | That's a good idea. What's a good terminal IRC client? |
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| 22:25.46 | maquis | irssi |
| 22:26.53 | jessie | I'll try that out now |
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| 22:28.35 | jessie | " Open Proxy found on your IP" |
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| 22:34.59 | jessie | This is quite frusterating |
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| 22:37.10 | Jayce^ | might want to try joining just #jessie until it's figured out |
| 22:37.31 | Jayce^ | but I'd just second the irssi in screen vs proxy |
| 22:37.56 | jessie | tank you guys. i'l go ahead and do that. |
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| 22:39.31 | Guest87985 | hey guys. |
| 22:40.16 | Guest87985 | it's jessie. how do i change my nick on irssi? |
| 22:42.28 | Jayce^ | like any other, with /nick :) |
| 22:42.48 | Jayce^ | and then set it in your config |
| 22:44.04 | jessie | wow. this has to be the worst internet connection, ever. |
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| 22:44.40 | levi | Where are you on from? |
| 22:44.59 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:47.57 | jsmith | I'll bet my connection is worse than Jessie's |
| 22:48.06 | elg | ~disconnect jsmith |
| 22:48.17 | jsmith | 1142 packets transmitted, 1009 received, +10 errors, 11% packet loss, time 1142095ms, rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 218.155/5185.986/33110.947/6737.108 ms, pipe 34 |
| 22:49.56 | levi | Yuck. |
| 22:50.06 | maquis | everyone excited for 1234567890 tomorrow? |
| 22:50.15 | levi | Not really. |
| 22:50.36 | jsmith | It's just a number... |
| 22:50.44 | maquis | it's a cool number, though |
| 22:51.10 | jsmith | expects everyone to freak out in 2012 for the Mayan calendar reset as well |
| 22:51.25 | maquis | jsmith: hey... that's pretty cool, too |
| 22:51.52 | maquis | i just think it's cool that people that far back were counting down to a day in my lifetime |
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| 22:56.20 | Jayce^ | jsmith, dont' worry, it's a presidential election year, everybody expects the end of the world anyways :) |
| 22:57.27 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: We'll see if there's an election in 2012. We'll see. |
| 22:59.19 | JoshH | i look forward to 2012, when palin will beat romney, and obama will beat palin in a landslide, and the world will be a happy place with bunnies and rainbows everywhere :) |
| 23:00.13 | Heartsbane | JoshH: remember it is puff puff pass |
| 23:00.23 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 23:00.25 | Heartsbane | has to get a hit of what JoshH is smoking. |
| 23:00.38 | Jayce^ | heh, just got a 'please donate to my reelection campaign' from McCain.... I didnt' support you last election, why would I be donating for 4 years from now?? |
| 23:01.17 | fozzmoo | He barely won AZ, didn't he? |
| 23:01.24 | levi | What's the crazy part, Palin beating Romney or Obama beating Palin? Or was it just the bunnies and rainbows? |
| 23:01.27 | JoshH | is he talking about a senate campaign? |
| 23:01.35 | fozzmoo | Probably senate campaign. |
| 23:01.45 | fozzmoo | levi: yes. |
| 23:01.59 | levi | It'd have to be, 'cause he sure wasn't elected anywhere else. |
| 23:02.22 | JoshH | if mccain loses reelection, what a sad way to end his career |
| 23:02.28 | JoshH | i'd rather see him resign |
| 23:02.32 | JoshH | or just not run again |
| 23:02.36 | Jayce^ | leaves the ambiguous 're-election', if you check, it likely lets the finances pay off past, or forward elections |
| 23:03.37 | Heartsbane | Jayce^: invoice him, see what happens |
| 23:03.44 | Jayce^ | still wants a bill stating "no elected official may campaign for an alternate elected position while still serving as an elected official' |
| 23:04.28 | levi | That'll never pass. |
| 23:04.34 | Jayce^ | yeah, but I can dream |
| 23:04.48 | Heartsbane | Does that include Governors and state legislators? |
| 23:04.56 | Jayce^ | IMHO, yeah |
| 23:05.09 | levi | And I can dream that all the people creating cool stuff for Perl will suddently decide to create cool stuff for Scheme instead. ;) |
| 23:05.12 | Jayce^ | because if you're campaigning, you sure aint doing the job you were elected to do |
| 23:05.25 | Heartsbane | +1 on Proposition Jayce |
| 23:05.26 | jshipley | how long ago was the 0123456789 epoch time? |
| 23:05.37 | jshipley | that's got to be at least as cool as 1234567890 |
| 23:05.58 | elg | cooler, cuz 1 comes after 0 and 0 doesn't come after 9 |
| 23:05.58 | maquis | ~1234567890-123456789 |
| 23:05.59 | ibot | 1111111101 |
| 23:06.14 | maquis | ./3600 |
| 23:06.25 | maquis | ~1111111101/3600 |
| 23:06.26 | ibot | 308641.972499999974 |
| 23:06.40 | maquis | ~308641.972499999974/24 |
| 23:06.41 | ibot | 12860.082187499998 |
| 23:06.41 | fozzmoo | Back in the old daze, nobody campaigned for themselves. How wonderful that would be. |
| 23:06.53 | maquis | ~12860.082187499998/365.25 |
| 23:06.54 | ibot | 35.20898613963 |
| 23:07.10 | maquis | jsmith: 35.2-ish years ago :) |
| 23:07.14 | maquis | fozzmoo: agreed |
| 23:07.28 | maquis | interestingly, in some cases, they weren't 100% certain they wanted the job |
| 23:07.46 | jshipley | elg: although 1234567890 matches the number row of a keyboard |
| 23:08.08 | Jayce^ | and it starts with the combination on my luggage! |
| 23:08.12 | fozzmoo | jshipley: Now you're venturing into conspiracy territory! |
| 23:08.18 | jshipley | I wonder if they celebrated it back then |
| 23:08.29 | jshipley | yes, why does 0 come after 9 instead of before 1? |
| 23:09.02 | Jayce^ | because the designers use VB arrays instead of doing things correctly |
| 23:09.27 | jshipley | as far as conspiracy territory... why is it that you can type the word typewriter with only the top row of keys? |
| 23:09.58 | elg | jshipley: Thu Nov 29 21:33:09 UTC 1973 |
| 23:10.56 | elg | the coolest thing is that 1234567890 is on friday the 13th |
| 23:12.07 | jshipley | so, only <4 years after epoch time started |
| 23:12.17 | jshipley | not really cause for celebration then, but kind of cool |
| 23:12.41 | jshipley | I'd like to see 1234567890987654321... they'd better throw some sort of party for that one |
| 23:14.15 | elg | out of range |
| 23:14.32 | brac | reminder (16:14:32): hello |
| 23:16.00 | jshipley | well, out of 32 bit range |
| 23:16.47 | elg | i reckon when we move to 64 bits we'll pick an epoch that makes more sense |
| 23:17.03 | elg | like dec 15 1977 |
| 23:20.01 | jshipley | how about Jan 1 2000 00:00:00 |
| 23:20.20 | jshipley | or, how about Jan 1 00:00:00 of the year 0 |
| 23:20.33 | elg | pretty sane |
| 23:20.54 | elg | maybe the instant of the big ban g |
| 23:21.29 | elg | oh i know, the birthday of the first t-rex |
| 23:21.31 | jshipley | if it's signed, then we could use negative values for BCE, and positive values for CE |
| 23:21.43 | jshipley | or, BC and AD |
| 23:21.58 | elg | if you're not allergic to latin |
| 23:23.10 | jshipley | I don't really care what they're called :) Either way, it's still 2009 |
| 23:25.24 | jshipley | If we have the range of a 64 bit date though, I can't think of a better epoch date than 0 |
| 23:27.28 | jshipley | I wouldn't be surprised if somebody tries to promote Sep. 11, 2001 |
| 23:28.07 | elg | gosh i hope we're not still filled with illogical terror in the 30s |
| 23:28.52 | jshipley | elg: I just hope that we start migrating to 64 bit and fixing the whole epoch overflow issue well before the 30s |
| 23:29.12 | elg | true |
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| 23:55.01 | Tene | I placed the order last Friday, and Amazon still hasn't shipped it. :( |
