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| 00:53.46 | maquis | -chat sjansen is |
| 00:53.46 | brac | sjansen is stirring the pot having warped |
| 00:53.49 | maquis | yup. it's confirmed... brac is more coherent than google translate |
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| 00:54.25 | maquis | -lart Jayce^ |
| 00:54.26 | brac | steals Jayce^'s mojo |
| 00:54.45 | maquis | -give maquis Jayce^'s mojo |
| 00:59.54 | elg | so, looks like no stations in your area or mine are going to switch to dtv on 2/17 |
| 01:00.06 | elg | (i didn't check tensai's area, jsmith's area, or montreal) |
| 01:00.21 | elg | http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.pdf |
| 01:30.06 | Sargun_Screen | levi: yt? |
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| 01:44.48 | goozbach | elg: so that means my tv is safe? |
| 01:45.08 | elg | you're on the list of places that aren't my home or utah |
| 01:45.33 | elg | i lump you in with jsmith. back east and kind of southish somewhere |
| 01:46.07 | goozbach | oh ok |
| 01:46.24 | goozbach | you hear that jsmith-away we live in the same "area" |
| 01:55.26 | elg | virginia is a heckuvalot closer to atlanta than las cruces is to utah, and utah is a heckuvalot closer to las cruces than either virginia or atlanta |
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| 03:33.33 | levi | Sargun_Screen: What? |
| 03:34.09 | levi | Ahh, my iPod is filled with fresh podcasts again. |
| 03:43.42 | elg | my ipod is overflowing with (stale but interesting) podcasts |
| 03:43.56 | elg | i got way behind when i listened to lotr and the silmarillion :) |
| 03:44.12 | fortyseventeen | I still need to finish that... |
| 03:51.11 | levi | Hmm. Is there any way to get the Netflix movie viewer to use a higher quality setting if you are willing to wait longer? |
| 04:05.41 | Jayce^ | not that I've found.. |
| 04:07.17 | wps | anyone in the mood to help me debut a problem installing subversion on fedora? |
| 04:07.30 | wps | using yum |
| 04:07.43 | wps | I am getting a "cannot find a valid baseurl for repo" error message |
| 04:08.05 | wps | I might have to compile it though since my OS is so old |
| 04:18.19 | Sargun_Screen | levi: what do you know about ANDing huge values, and them comparing the out put under x86 |
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| 04:28.43 | Sargun_Screen | levi: context: bloom filters |
| 04:30.47 | elg | ~lart mythtv |
| 04:30.47 | ibot | slaps mythtv around with a large trout |
| 04:48.57 | eightyeight | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.02 | fozzmoo | wps: If you're running an unsupported version of Fedora, you should probably upgrade |
| 04:49.03 | eightyeight | sweet. :) |
| 04:49.14 | wps | yes, I know |
| 04:49.17 | wps | I've put it off long enough |
| 04:49.22 | fozzmoo | wps: What version is it? |
| 04:49.28 | wps | fc3 |
| 04:49.31 | fozzmoo | whew. |
| 04:49.40 | wps | I'm going to upgrade to CentOS 5 |
| 04:49.43 | wps | just haven't had time |
| 04:50.27 | fozzmoo | I understand. |
| 04:50.29 | wps | the server doesn't do muchâ¦Â just runs a few websites and a few mailing listsâ¦Â not much of a reason to fix what's not broken |
| 04:50.47 | wps | been chugging along just fine for years and years |
| 04:50.50 | fozzmoo | A friend I set up a firewall/gateway box for a while back had me check on something on his box... |
| 04:50.54 | fozzmoo | a couple nights ago. |
| 04:50.56 | fozzmoo | FC1. |
| 04:51.00 | fozzmoo | I was floored. |
| 04:51.04 | wps | wow |
| 04:51.19 | wps | I found an old RPM for the svn CLI client for FC3 though |
| 04:51.21 | fozzmoo | Anyway- yeah, you're going to have trouble using yum... |
| 04:51.24 | wps | so i am good for now |
| 04:51.39 | fozzmoo | But if you know what to google for, there are still repositories up. |
| 04:51.40 | wps | after this project is over I'll bit the bullet, take the server down, and do the big upgrade |
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| 04:51.45 | fozzmoo | Good luck. |
| 04:52.08 | wps | honestly, the biggest reason that I haven't done it is because I don't want to set Mailman back up |
| 04:52.18 | wps | mailman is a bear |
| 04:53.45 | fozzmoo | Hah. |
| 04:54.10 | fozzmoo | Yeah. but if you get your aliases and everything under /var/lib/mailman, I think you're good to go. |
| 04:54.16 | wps | I'm tempted to pass the baton to someone else though and retire from the user group administration business |
| 04:54.46 | wps | (I run UPHPU, UGAF, and UAUG) |
| 04:55.15 | fozzmoo | What's UGAF and UAUG? |
| 04:56.02 | wps | utah graphic artists forum (guild) and utah apple users group |
| 04:56.46 | fozzmoo | Huh. Cool. |
| 04:57.04 | wps | awesome |
| 04:57.07 | wps | I just checked my uptime |
| 04:57.10 | wps | just passed the year mark |
| 04:57.14 | wps | 368 days |
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| 05:10.43 | fozzmoo | cat eeek |
| 05:12.07 | wps | I know how to list what groups a particular user blongs to |
| 05:12.12 | Sargun_Screen | echo keee |
| 05:12.16 | wps | how to I see what users belong to a particular group? |
| 05:12.26 | fozzmoo | groups $USER |
| 05:12.37 | fozzmoo | Oh. I read that backwards. :) |
| 05:12.49 | fozzmoo | Uhm... grep $GROUP /etc/group |
| 05:13.26 | wps | thanks |
| 05:14.56 | fozzmoo | np |
| 05:15.14 | wps | weird |
| 05:15.37 | wps | I set up my server a while back so that files owned by my user could be served by apache |
| 05:15.45 | wps | I am now trying to make it work for another user as well |
| 05:16.02 | wps | I thought that adding that user to the apache group should do the trick but I'm still missing something |
| 05:16.28 | fozzmoo | Or add 'apache' to the user's group. |
| 05:16.49 | fozzmoo | Since Fedora/RH uses user private groups |
| 05:17.35 | wps | well, apache isn't a member of my user's group |
| 05:17.40 | wps | and it works for my user |
| 05:18.26 | fozzmoo | Adding your user to apache doesn't give apache any new abilities, just gives your user new abilities. |
| 05:18.28 | wps | when I do the grep on the group, what's the x and the number mean? |
| 05:18.38 | wps | wade:x:500:wade |
| 05:18.43 | fozzmoo | the number is the GID |
| 05:18.47 | wps | ah |
| 05:18.49 | fozzmoo | the x is where the password would be. |
| 05:19.09 | fozzmoo | Nobody uses group passwords. :) |
| 05:20.14 | wps | so what I pasted there says that "wade" is a member of the "wade" group |
| 05:20.25 | fozzmoo | yes. That's the user private group. |
| 05:20.43 | fozzmoo | So, everything in your home directory is likely wade:wade |
| 05:20.44 | wps | correct |
| 05:20.56 | wps | I just did the grep for the new user I am trying to make this work for and got this: |
| 05:21.02 | wps | newuser.x.503 |
| 05:21.14 | wps | shouldn't they be made a member of their own group by default? |
| 05:21.16 | fozzmoo | No members, eh? |
| 05:21.20 | fozzmoo | They should be |
| 05:21.22 | wps | weird |
| 05:22.22 | wps | should I need to restart any services after making group assignment changes? |
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| 05:23.53 | fozzmoo | wps: No, but the user won't actually have group membership until they log in again (or they can run newgrp $GROUP) |
| 05:24.31 | wps | my user is a member of the wheel group |
| 05:24.38 | wps | could that be what is making it work? |
| 05:25.08 | fozzmoo | wheel is usually for admin users - I use it often to grant them sudo rights. |
| 05:25.19 | wps | ahâ¦Â yesâ¦Â that's right |
| 05:25.32 | wps | man, I don't understand how Apache is serving my user's files |
| 05:25.43 | wps | it's been so long since I set that up |
| 05:26.15 | fozzmoo | If the directory permissions are o=rx then Apache can read them. |
| 05:26.44 | wps | good pointâ¦Â perhaps there is another reason I am getting a 403 |
| 05:26.48 | fozzmoo | By default, home directories are drwxrwx--- |
| 05:26.58 | fozzmoo | By default, home directories are drwxr-x--- |
| 05:27.01 | fozzmoo | (sorry) |
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| 07:03.04 | Sargun | Warm fruit = ew |
| 07:03.36 | levi | Like, room temperature fruit? |
| 07:03.40 | levi | Or cooked fruit? |
| 07:04.11 | Sargun | like accidentally cooked fruit |
| 07:04.21 | Sargun | some fruits turn rubbery |
| 07:04.41 | levi | Some warm fruits are delicious. |
| 07:04.53 | Sargun | I agree |
| 07:04.56 | levi | Grilled pineapple, baked apples, cooked berries. |
| 07:05.00 | Sargun | but these ones are horrible |
| 07:05.09 | levi | But you just said "Warm fruit = ew" |
| 07:05.13 | Sargun | example: Watermelon. |
| 07:05.25 | Sargun | I have a bunch of frozen fruit |
| 07:05.33 | Sargun | I needed to defreeze them a tiny bit |
| 07:05.33 | levi | You should have said "Warm watermelon = ew" |
| 07:06.01 | levi | Or "Accidentally cooked watermelon = ew" |
| 07:09.16 | Sargun | hehe |
| 07:16.38 | levi | Time for me to sleep. |
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| 15:40.16 | goozbach | fanboys kill me |
| 15:41.57 | goozbach | yes even linux fanboys |
| 15:42.28 | goozbach | aparently anything which isn't Linux is a "Lesser operating system" |
| 15:47.10 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Well... yeah. |
| 15:47.49 | smcquay | have the rules of the game been revised, goozbach? |
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| 15:57.47 | eggyknap | Such people are apparently unfamiliar with BSD... :) |
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| 15:59.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo, smcquay the reason I bring it up is someone decided that the blurb I wrote for my presentation next week wasn't fanatical enough |
| 15:59.29 | goozbach | so they took it upon themselves to make sure to put that little jab into a blurb associated with my name. |
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| 16:05.40 | smcquay | goozbach: which presentation is this? |
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| 16:23.31 | goozbach | smcquay: presentaion for the local lug here in ATL |
| 16:23.35 | goozbach | cobbler |
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| 16:36.18 | sjansen | http://alexthunder.livejournal.com/309815.html |
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| 16:59.14 | goozbach | as if I didn't get sucked into qdb enough: http://www.limerickdb.com |
| 16:59.15 | brac | [LimerickDB: Home] |
| 17:04.08 | Jayce^ | ooh |
| 17:04.15 | Jayce^ | harleypig needs to see that one |
| 17:05.26 | unum | http://unum5.org/parser.txt <- a perl program I wrote, and should be shot for |
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| 17:11.19 | elg | ~shoot unum |
| 17:11.19 | ibot | ACTION shoots unum in the ear with a glue gun! |
| 17:13.53 | elg | that'll keep the bugs in |
| 17:13.56 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 17:14.30 | maquis | stupid thing kicked me off somehow |
| 17:14.38 | levi | maquis: Stupid thing! |
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| 17:14.43 | elg | it's not hard |
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| 17:15.17 | jshipley | stupid thing |
| 17:15.22 | unum | I'm rewriting it now, I might use some of those function thingies I've heard about |
| 17:15.58 | unum | and some ifelses |
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| 17:16.17 | unum | do you generally use if elses in perl where you would use a case statement in an other language |
| 17:17.13 | fozzmoo | unum: yes. |
| 17:17.13 | Jayce^ | if trying to program like C, sure.. :) |
| 17:17.39 | Jayce^ | please use the placeholders '?' in your prepared statements |
| 17:18.21 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWQR36dW0GA |
| 17:19.10 | fozzmoo | unum: My brain is in default scalar overload! :) |
| 17:19.19 | fozzmoo | pops |
| 17:19.20 | tensai | ext2??? who put that there? |
| 17:19.43 | Jayce^ | hands fozzmoo duct tape |
| 17:19.54 | levi | unum: function thingies? |
| 17:20.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, breaking actions into subs would make that more readable |
| 17:20.56 | Jayce^ | for your date, there are some nice libraries that would make it *much* nicer looking |
| 17:21.10 | unum | Jayce^: I'd be happy to hear about those |
| 17:21.17 | unum | actually I think I may have found them later |
| 17:21.24 | unum | there's a unix one right? |
| 17:21.42 | unum | looks for where he used that |
| 17:21.51 | elg | ^Migs^: i'm waiting for the punchline |
| 17:21.54 | elg | maybe bert and ernie? |
| 17:21.57 | unum | and what do you mean by the ? in the prepare statement |
| 17:21.58 | elg | or rick astley? |
| 17:22.07 | ^Migs^ | no, it's just a camera on a conveyor belt |
| 17:22.14 | levi | Heh, the author's guild thinks Kindle2's text-to-speech is illegal. |
| 17:22.28 | elg | orrin will save them |
| 17:22.44 | Jayce^ | unum, instead of concatting strings, of unwashed data.. since you are doing a prepare.. you use the placeholders.. lemme find something |
| 17:22.45 | unum | use Date::Manip; <- that's the one I've been using |
| 17:23.07 | unum | in a different script(that I wrote over a year later) |
| 17:23.20 | sjansen | -chat elg wore |
| 17:23.20 | brac | elg wore |
| 17:23.27 | elg | elg wore nothing |
| 17:23.27 | sjansen | -chat elg proclaimed |
| 17:23.27 | brac | elg proclaimed |
| 17:23.33 | elg | elg proclaimed martial law |
| 17:23.44 | maquis | -chat elg is |
| 17:23.44 | brac | elg is sooo happy he only deals with postfix these days |
| 17:23.57 | elg | amen |
| 17:24.31 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Love the kitchen. |
| 17:24.49 | ^Migs^ | me too. It's nice to see everyone so happy. |
| 17:25.32 | sjansen | ~curse ^Migs^ |
| 17:25.33 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ^Migs^ ! |
| 17:25.43 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 17:25.46 | ^Migs^ | ~whalebomb sjansen |
| 17:25.47 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at sjansen and hides. |
| 17:26.01 | elg | -chat elg wore |
| 17:26.01 | brac | elg wore nothing |
| 17:26.06 | Jayce^ | basically, whenever you are creating some sql, doing a prepare... do it like this: |
| 17:26.07 | Jayce^ | INSERT INTO sales (product_code, qty, price) VALUES (?, ?, ?) |
| 17:26.08 | sjansen | ~punish unum |
| 17:26.08 | ibot | ACTION forces unum to install and use Windows |
| 17:26.13 | elg | -chat sjansen wore |
| 17:26.13 | brac | sjansen wore |
| 17:26.19 | elg | sjansen wore a |
| 17:26.22 | elg | -chat sjansen wore |
| 17:26.23 | brac | sjansen wore a |
| 17:26.24 | Jayce^ | then when you execute, add the bind values.. |
| 17:26.26 | elg | -chat sjansen wore |
| 17:26.26 | brac | sjansen wore a |
| 17:26.39 | elg | she wore a itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini |
| 17:26.40 | Jayce^ | $sth->execute( $foo, $bar, $baz ); |
| 17:26.42 | elg | -chat sjansen wore |
| 17:26.42 | brac | sjansen wore a itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini |
| 17:27.05 | Jayce^ | auto-performs things like any necessary quoting for the data-type, etc.. |
| 17:27.09 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: I've never used DBI that way... but I probably would now. |
| 17:27.17 | fozzmoo | Now I just use DBIC |
| 17:27.30 | jshipley | -chat then when you |
| 17:27.31 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 17:27.42 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, yeah, you have an ORM layer on top.. but it's doing that too |
| 17:27.43 | jshipley | -chat basically |
| 17:27.43 | brac | basically did |
| 17:27.44 | maquis | -chat jshipley is |
| 17:27.44 | brac | jshipley is able to get BSD working. |
| 17:27.44 | sjansen | he wore nothing but a smile on his face and a badger clawing his loins |
| 17:27.47 | sjansen | -elg wore |
| 17:27.49 | jshipley | :) |
| 17:27.53 | sjansen | -chat elg wore |
| 17:27.53 | brac | elg wore nothing but a bunch of cool-weather stuff now |
| 17:27.59 | elg | ha! |
| 17:28.17 | maquis | sjansen: nice try :P |
| 17:28.21 | jshipley | -jshipley is |
| 17:28.26 | sjansen | elg: I'll get you my Hans! And your little lukfugal too! |
| 17:28.43 | maquis | -chat ibot |
| 17:28.43 | brac | ibot had a bacon sandwich today |
| 17:28.48 | elg | lucky ibot |
| 17:28.55 | maquis | -chat brac |
| 17:28.55 | brac | brac had |
| 17:29.01 | maquis | -chat brac is |
| 17:29.01 | brac | brac is going anywhere |
| 17:29.27 | elg | brac, you're entertaining as a whale on the beach, but I have to say goodby for now |
| 17:29.27 | brac | re, elg :D |
| 17:29.39 | elg | re? re? who taught you slang? |
| 17:29.49 | maquis | ~re |
| 17:29.49 | ibot | i guess re is religious education |
| 17:30.51 | sjansen | -chat brac entertained |
| 17:30.51 | brac | brac entertained |
| 17:31.24 | sjansen | -chat maquis questioned |
| 17:31.24 | brac | maquis questioned |
| 17:31.34 | sjansen | -chat Jayce^ declared |
| 17:31.34 | brac | Jayce^ declared |
| 17:31.48 | sjansen | -chat sjansen awesomeified |
| 17:31.48 | brac | sjansen awesomeified |
| 17:31.56 | sjansen | brac: Oh yeah. You know I did! |
| 17:35.37 | maquis | -chat sjansen is |
| 17:35.38 | brac | sjansen is currently on #utos (2d 7h 17m 7s). Has said a total waste of space |
| 17:35.55 | maquis | brac: i appreciate the honest view of sjansen's contributions :) |
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| 17:36.14 | sjansen | maquis: Don't make me ~punish you too. |
| 17:36.27 | sjansen | I'll do, you know I will. |
| 17:36.37 | sjansen | And I'll make it look like it was redbeard2's fault. |
| 17:36.37 | maquis | sjansen: it's not my fault... |
| 17:36.45 | maquis | brac was the one who said it |
| 17:36.57 | redbeard2 | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:36.57 | ibot | moos at sjansen |
| 17:36.57 | sjansen | <maquis> brac: i appreciate the honest view of sjansen's contributions :) |
| 17:37.06 | sjansen | That's not what my IRC history says. |
| 17:37.17 | maquis | 01:36 < brac> sjansen is currently on #utos (2d 7h 17m 7s). Has said a total waste of space |
| 17:37.25 | maquis | -chat sjansen is |
| 17:37.25 | brac | sjansen is right... |
| 17:37.32 | maquis | -chat sjansen is |
| 17:37.32 | brac | sjansen is sad that the antithesis of a guy in front of me ... |
| 17:37.51 | maquis | -chat sjansen was |
| 17:37.52 | brac | sjansen was talented, but that's not too complex. |
| 17:38.08 | maquis | -chat redbeard2 is |
| 17:38.08 | brac | redbeard2 is getting the errors he's getting, but I do |
| 17:38.16 | maquis | -chat redbeard2 is |
| 17:38.16 | brac | redbeard2 is getting that sources one when you were "allowed" to be stupid, doesn't mean I think it's ldap |
| 17:38.22 | sjansen | -chat maquis is |
| 17:38.22 | brac | maquis is on a wii |
| 17:38.32 | sjansen | ~steal maquis's wii |
| 17:38.33 | ibot | ACTION grabs maquis's wii and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:38.40 | sjansen | -chat maquis had |
| 17:38.40 | brac | maquis had |
| 17:38.45 | sjansen | -chat maquis has |
| 17:38.45 | brac | maquis has |
| 17:38.46 | redbeard2 | ~poke sjansen |
| 17:38.46 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sjansen, pokes sjansen repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:39.09 | sjansen | -chat maquis wore |
| 17:39.09 | brac | maquis wore |
| 17:39.15 | maquis | -chat sjansen wore |
| 17:39.15 | brac | sjansen wore a itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini |
| 17:40.27 | sjansen | harumph |
| 17:40.44 | sjansen | maquis: You have only yourself to blame for this.... |
| 17:40.48 | sjansen | ~punish maquis |
| 17:40.48 | ibot | ACTION forces maquis to install and use Windows |
| 17:41.06 | maquis | shudders, and falls to the ground, squirming in anguish |
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| 17:42.10 | maquis | -chat emcnabb is |
| 17:42.10 | brac | emcnabb is "all made of flesh and blood. |
| 17:42.18 | maquis | -chat emcnabb is |
| 17:42.19 | brac | emcnabb is "all made of hinges so everything bends" |
| 17:42.46 | maquis | lol :) |
| 17:42.56 | maquis | -chat redbeard2 is |
| 17:42.56 | brac | redbeard2 is getting that for fun |
| 17:43.06 | maquis | -chat sjansen is |
| 17:43.06 | brac | sjansen is currently on #utos (1d 16h 21m 18s), last said: 'memilyrae: !!!'. |
| 17:43.13 | maquis | -chat sjansen is |
| 17:43.13 | brac | sjansen is stirring the pot having warped |
| 17:48.45 | harleypig | ARGHH ... I shouldn't have looked at that link! |
| 17:48.56 | Jayce^ | harleypig, :) |
| 17:49.03 | Jayce^ | that's why I had to make sure you saw it |
| 17:49.07 | unum | let's say you want to detect if any file in directory have changed using perl, how would you do it |
| 17:49.24 | unum | let's also say you are stuck on kernel 2.6.9 |
| 17:51.59 | sjansen | let's also say you're dressed all in licorice |
| 17:53.18 | goozbach | http://www.basketcasecomix.com/?p=972 |
| 17:54.18 | goozbach | unum: file status search on cpan doesn't return anything |
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| 17:54.20 | goozbach | ? |
| 17:55.00 | unum | http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/ioctl.html is what I think I should use |
| 17:55.25 | unum | but I think it requires a newer kernel |
| 17:58.01 | unum | I guess I do have two different problems that I'm trying to solve. |
| 17:58.43 | unum | mostly I want to pause the program until a file in the directory is modified |
| 18:01.23 | sjansen | ioctl is not what you want |
| 18:02.24 | unum | inotify2 that's what I meant |
| 18:02.31 | unum | don't asked me how I got those miked up |
| 18:02.57 | sjansen | As far as I know, your only option one such an old kernel is to busy wait with a sleep in the loop to limit processor utilization. |
| 18:03.22 | sjansen | inotify is what you want, but I don't think it'll work with such an old kernel. |
| 18:03.38 | unum | thanks I'll keep doing that until the it manager gets around to upgrading the server |
| 18:04.14 | sjansen | FAM would work, but IIRC that's just offloading the busy waiting to someone else's code. |
| 18:09.30 | harleypig | ok ... I'm told that I can join a jabber chat from bitlbee ... eightyeight showed redbeard2 the commands but it isn't working for me ... anyone give me some pointers? |
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| 19:03.20 | Tene_ | mms://tv.eenet.ee/siga -- wild boars in the estonian forest |
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| 19:10.16 | unum | Jayce^: thanks for the tip on place holders |
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| 19:28.58 | sjansen | -chat elg pontificated |
| 19:28.59 | brac | elg pontificated |
| 19:34.12 | unum | when you pass refrences to a sub in perl is there anyway to name them |
| 19:34.35 | Jayce^ | my $foo = shift; ? |
| 19:35.12 | Tene_ | unum: what do you mean by name? assign to a variable? |
| 19:35.18 | unum | Tene_: ya |
| 19:35.26 | unum | what Jayce^ said makes sense |
| 19:35.31 | Tene_ | unum: the same as assigning any other value ot a variable |
| 19:35.33 | Tene_ | yeah |
| 19:36.02 | Tene_ | then just $foo->( ... ); or &$foo( ... ); |
| 19:36.06 | Tene_ | I prefer the former. |
| 19:36.17 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 19:36.39 | Tene_ | Or you could assign it to an &variable if you wanted. I don't like that much either. |
| 19:38.53 | harleypig | you could do $foo = $_[0] (or whatever position you sent the reference) |
| 19:38.56 | harleypig | ducks. |
| 19:39.20 | Jayce^ | harleypig, yeah, was just pointing out that you assigned it.. |
| 19:40.01 | harleypig | oh, I know ... the way I suggested is usually a no-no. |
| 19:40.49 | Jayce^ | that's why *you* do it |
| 19:41.15 | harleypig | no, that's why I suggested it ... I don't do that unless I'm trying to minimize andor optimize the code. |
| 19:41.20 | ^Migs^ | dear God. A pedestrian was struck by a sport utility vehicle on a street in Corona, Queens, on Wednesday morning, then immediately struck again by a cargo van that dragged the victim 17 miles through a web of city highways and to Coney Island in Brooklyn, the police said. The pedestrian, apparently a male, was killed. http://bit.ly/IZTtG |
| 19:41.39 | ^Migs^ | that's awful |
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| 19:42.15 | harleypig | ! "A cadre of uniformed police officers was retracing the vanâs route, searching for pieces of the victimâs rema" |
| 19:42.27 | Tene_ | harleypig: there are plenty of reasons to leave args in @_, like passing the args off to yet another function |
| 19:42.51 | Tene_ | I prefer to do it as a list assignment, though. |
| 19:42.57 | Tene_ | my ($a,$b,$c) = @_; |
| 19:43.34 | harleypig | Tene_: yeah, but you don't shift then, but you still don't do an explicit assignation. |
| 19:43.51 | Tene_ | http://blog.plover.com/math/heros-formula.html -- entertaining, math |
| 19:44.02 | brac | [The Universe of Discourse : Hero's formula] |
| 19:44.18 | Tene_ | harleypig: that is an explicit assign... |
| 19:45.03 | harleypig | Tene_: hmmm ... true, but not what I meant. |
| 19:45.38 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you are under arrest for attempting to assignate a public figure |
| 19:45.42 | harleypig | In any case, $foo = $_[x] is *usually* a no-no. |
| 19:45.49 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.11 | Tene_ | POE uses it quite a bit, for reasons of abstraction. |
| 19:46.56 | Tene_ | POE passes data to handlers in numbered positions in @_, but doesn't want to be tied to a strict ordering or position, so it refers to the positions using named constants. |
| 19:47.00 | Tene_ | i.e. |
| 19:47.24 | Tene_ | my ($kernel, $heap, $arg) = @_[KERNEL, HEAP, ARG_0); or whatever. |
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| 19:47.34 | Tene_ | erm... s:2nd/)/]/ |
| 19:48.41 | Tene_ | That's the only common case I can think of, though. |
| 19:48.50 | Tene_ | I haven't seen anyone try to do it otherwise. |
| 19:49.32 | harleypig | hence my using 'usually' :] |
| 19:49.37 | Tene_ | :) |
| 19:51.36 | Tene_ | http://blog.plover.com/math/pick.html is really neat. also math-related. |
| 19:51.38 | brac | [The Universe of Discourse : Pick's theorem] |
| 19:51.47 | Jayce^ | most of his blog is |
| 19:51.52 | Tene_ | yarly |
| 19:51.54 | Tene_ | mjd++ |
| 19:52.41 | Tene_ | I think I almost met him once at an NYC.PM social meeting or something. |
| 19:54.44 | Jayce^ | met him at oscon a few times.. |
| 19:55.37 | Tene_ | I should go to oscon someday |
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| 19:58.07 | harleypig | http://qdb.us/294912 |
| 19:58.09 | brac | [QDB: Quote #294912] |
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| 20:00.40 | ^Migs^ | that's...just...weird |
| 20:02.49 | harleypig | ^Migs^: welcome teh intertubes! |
| 20:03.05 | ^Migs^ | lol http://qdb.us/295199 |
| 20:03.06 | brac | [QDB: Quote #295199] |
| 20:05.21 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://qdb.us/295184 |
| 20:05.21 | brac | [QDB: Quote #295184] |
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| 20:52.58 | levi | Anyone going to this show?: http://www.mckayeventcenter.com/ticketing/events/MC%20Hammer.html |
| 20:54.22 | bbeattie | hah, that would be a fun concert.. |
| 20:54.40 | tensai | sql full table scans get old after a while |
| 20:55.03 | levi | MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice in the same place at the same time. Won't that create micro-black-holes and destroy the universe or something? |
| 20:55.15 | JoshH | i saw hammer in concert when i was a kid |
| 20:57.27 | elg | looks at the ice skaters in the header |
| 20:57.29 | elg | ice ice baby |
| 20:57.46 | elg | and the basketball player looks like he's ice skating too |
| 20:57.50 | levi | Apparently these guys are playing too: http://www.myspace.com/loveyoulongtime |
| 21:08.22 | manithree | Anybody every see Vanilla Ice's movie? It's even worse than his music. |
| 21:08.33 | levi | Unforutnately, yes. |
| 21:08.51 | manithree | And we admit it! That's the surprising part. |
| 21:09.09 | levi | "Yo! Drop the zero, and get with the hero!" |
| 21:09.29 | manithree | That about sums it up, doesn't it? |
| 21:10.33 | manithree | Awww, yeah. |
| 21:10.56 | levi | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101615/quotes |
| 21:10.56 | brac | [Cool as Ice (1991) - Memorable quotes] |
| 21:18.57 | ^Migs^ | Vanilla Ice is still writing music? |
| 21:19.21 | manithree | He wrote music? |
| 21:19.28 | levi | I hope not, but he's not going to be performing any new stuff. |
| 21:20.01 | ^Migs^ | no, I'm reading the trivia on the site, and it says he still releases albums now and then |
| 21:20.23 | manithree | And MC is just 2 legit to quit. |
| 21:20.38 | ^Migs^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_ice |
| 21:22.09 | ^Migs^ | yeah, latest album "Vanilla Ice Is Back!" released November 4, 2008 |
| 21:28.19 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 21:28.26 | fozzmoo | I thought that said Vanilla Ice is Black |
| 21:28.39 | fozzmoo | "It's about time." |
| 21:28.53 | levi | I think I saw this bike in the back of a pickup truck this morning on the way to work: http://byunews.byu.edu/releases/archive05/Jan/isotrussbike/0501-25%20008-L.jpg |
| 21:30.25 | elg | -chat |
| 21:30.25 | brac | oooh sounds exciting |
| 21:32.25 | manithree | levi: That's a cool bike. I like carbon fiber. |
| 21:32.49 | levi | It's a very unique bike, too. |
| 21:33.16 | manithree | fozzmoo: Remember Jim Carrey on "In Living Color" performing "White, white, baby?" |
| 21:33.52 | Jayce^ | Homey don't play 'dat! |
| 21:34.05 | levi | Actually, it looks like Delta7 Sports is doing a limited production run of them. |
| 21:34.12 | ^Migs^ | no that was Damon Wayans |
| 21:34.23 | ^Migs^ | and yeah, that was classic manithree |
| 21:34.56 | sjansen | Please, Hammer, don't hurt them. |
| 21:35.11 | manithree | my bad |
| 21:35.22 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 21:35.34 | ^Migs^ | I mean "Homey don't play 'dat!" was Damon Wayans. |
| 21:35.35 | levi | Wow, around $5k for a frame. |
| 21:35.42 | ^Migs^ | Jim Carrey was "White, white, baby" |
| 21:35.59 | ^Migs^ | sets mode +m ^Migs^ |
| 21:36.09 | ^Migs^ | or whatever the command is |
| 21:36.11 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, I know, was referencing the *show*... memory trip |
| 21:36.12 | ^Migs^ | sets mode -v ^Migs^ |
| 21:36.14 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 21:36.20 | ^Migs^ | I got that after I "corrected" you, Jayce |
| 21:37.26 | sjansen | It's been awhile since I've been in Provo. Was that photo taken in Rock Canyon park? |
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| 21:41.27 | elg | -lart brac |
| 21:41.27 | brac | removes debian from elg's system for trying to make me lart myself |
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| 21:43.11 | elg | -chat |
| 21:43.11 | brac | I wonder why qwest is taking so long that there isn't more chatter |
| 21:43.26 | elg | i blame lunch |
| 21:43.30 | sjansen | -lart brac |
| 21:43.30 | brac | signs sjansen up for the Iowa State Ferret Legging Championship for trying to make me lart myself |
| 21:44.13 | sjansen | Buh, buh, buh.... I wanted to see brac try to find an remove Debian from my system :-( |
| 21:49.04 | elg | -chat i wish |
| 21:49.04 | brac | i wish I would say that's much like saying ketchup doesn't belong on burgers. that's just an easy way |
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| 22:20.01 | jshipley | -lart signs sjansen |
| 22:20.02 | brac | pierces signs sjansen's nose with a rusty paper hole puncher |
| 22:20.15 | jshipley | er... |
| 22:20.19 | jshipley | -chat signs sjansen |
| 22:20.19 | brac | signs sjansen |
| 22:32.56 | manithree | sjansen: The bike photo looks like squaw peak road to me. |
| 22:33.15 | manithree | eh, maybe not. |
| 22:33.58 | manithree | Anybody got any last minute git questions for tonight's meeting? |
| 22:34.58 | Jayce^ | any examples on using git locally to work with a cvs infrastructure.. I need to do that more |
| 22:35.26 | manithree | I tried that for a while and didn't enjoy it, but I'll dig up my notes |
| 22:36.06 | manithree | Sneak in and replace it with git-cvsserver ;-) |
| 22:37.23 | elg | manithree: do the world a favor and explain that you should never push to a repository with a working directory, and I'll be satisfied |
| 22:37.51 | manithree | That's on a slide. I'll make sure and get to that one, thx |
| 22:39.06 | elg | is it being recorded for the greatest hits album? |
| 22:42.03 | tensai | Jayce^: you know rt well? |
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| 22:42.52 | maquis | elg: i've never used git... mind explaining what you mean about never pushing to a repository with a working directory? |
| 22:43.22 | elg | -google git push worse worthless |
| 22:43.23 | brac | Results for git push worse worthless: 1. git-push is worse than worthless | The Fugue: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/2008/11/10/git-push-is-worse-than-worthless | 2. git-push is worse than worthless : The Fugue - FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/e/6bb20262-8863-f4f4-7fb8-5870bd8a7037/git-push-is-worse-than-worthless-The/ | 3. git-push - SWiK: http://swik.net/git-push |
| 22:45.10 | manithree | The general rule is don't push to a non-bare repo. |
| 22:45.25 | manithree | What's really important, though, is never to push to the checked-out branch. |
| 22:46.04 | levi | You'd think there'd be a reasonable way to deal with pushes. |
| 22:46.18 | levi | That bit me all sorts of times while I was using git. |
| 22:46.18 | manithree | There is. Bare repositories. |
| 22:46.34 | levi | I mean besidse bare repositories. |
| 22:46.55 | Tene_ | levi: eh? how do you have problems with that? |
| 22:47.05 | elg | Tene_: probably the same way I did |
| 22:47.07 | elg | see my blog post |
| 22:47.12 | manithree | dscho claims he's working on it. I'm guessing it will be a hook |
| 22:47.38 | elg | if you push to a checked out branch, then your working directory is now dirty, with a reverse of the changes |
| 22:47.53 | elg | if you then did a git commit -a, it would commit the reverse of the changes you pushed. |
| 22:47.58 | Tene_ | why are you pushing to a checked out branch? |
| 22:48.03 | elg | why not? |
| 22:48.06 | levi | rolls eyes. |
| 22:48.19 | elg | give me one good reason why I shouldn't. besides that it's broken. philosophically speaking |
| 22:48.21 | manithree | When I can't pull, I just push to a temp branch and merge it. |
| 22:48.46 | elg | that works, as does the bare repo, provided you're aware of the need to do that in the first place. |
| 22:49.03 | manithree | http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitFaq?highlight=(push)|(bare)#head-b96f48bc9c925074be9f95c0fce69bcece5f6e73 |
| 22:49.46 | manithree | But, yeah, I think that's the biggest b0rkeness in git |
| 22:49.49 | elg | yup. |
| 22:50.13 | elg | the logic is hosed though. hg for example has no trouble refusing the push if it would not result in (using git's terminology) a fast-forward |
| 22:50.45 | manithree | But hg is broken so many other ways. |
| 22:50.47 | elg | it'd be awesome if they fixed it. I'd settle for a big fat warning in the man page and by people presenting on git. ;-) |
| 22:50.58 | elg | what other ways/ |
| 22:51.27 | Tene_ | my big issue with git is that "pull" does the wrong thing in the majority of cases |
| 22:51.46 | elg | yeah, pull is dumb. dumb like git-push. so they introduced fetch |
| 22:51.57 | elg | next |
| 22:52.13 | manithree | My hg knowledge is about a year old, but it seemed like I had to have a LOT of local clones to do the things I do with git since the repo is append only. |
| 22:52.35 | manithree | They used to really over-use mq as an excuse not to add commands and that gave me a rash. |
| 22:52.46 | elg | that's a design difference. you want to revise history, hg takes the stance that history is immutable |
| 22:52.54 | manithree | Which I hate. |
| 22:53.10 | elg | not their fault you can't see eye-to-eye. it's a conscious decision and one which is touted as a strength (and which I like) |
| 22:53.23 | elg | I stay away from the git history revising stuff |
| 22:53.34 | manithree | That's sad. |
| 22:53.45 | elg | why? |
| 22:53.48 | levi | I think it's happy! |
| 22:53.58 | Tene_ | I always clean up my commits before pushing up to the server. |
| 22:54.05 | manithree | We'll talk about this tonight, but ... |
| 22:54.08 | elg | i use quilt for that |
| 22:54.17 | elg | with the help of revision control |
| 22:54.30 | elg | or mq on mercurial, though I generally just prefer to use quilt (one tool to remember) |
| 22:54.46 | manithree | Linus doesn't accept patches unless their clean, logical and small. I like my git history to look like that. |
| 22:54.50 | elg | if i'm preparing a patch to contribute that needs scrutiny, then my RCS is not the right tool for that job! |
| 22:54.52 | manithree | oops, they're |
| 22:55.05 | elg | my RCS is there for tracking my changes, saving my butt, and leaving history alone |
| 22:55.14 | Tene_ | ... but that's what an RCS is *for*! |
| 22:55.48 | elg | i disagree |
| 22:55.51 | manithree | Git takes it to the next level by giving you a cleaner history IMNSHO |
| 22:56.19 | elg | but i don't mind that git takes that stance |
| 22:56.29 | manithree | I don't mind that hg takes that stance. |
| 22:56.30 | elg | it's a design decision, like I said |
| 22:56.34 | manithree | exactly |
| 22:56.37 | elg | it's not a flaw of git, nor of mercurial |
| 22:56.39 | elg | just two sides of the coin |
| 22:56.43 | manithree | But you will be assimilated |
| 22:56.44 | elg | so i'm still waiting to hear about this breakage. |
| 22:57.03 | manithree | It doesn't work the way I want to. So it's broken. |
| 22:57.05 | elg | oh i already have. i use git for every new project now. I'm convinced git will win out in the end |
| 22:57.10 | elg | :) |
| 22:57.10 | manithree | ;-) |
| 22:57.18 | elg | resistance is futile and all that |
| 22:57.45 | elg | manithree: no, that means it's dumb. ;-) |
| 22:59.25 | manithree | Any bzr users? |
| 22:59.26 | elg | a compromise seems not entirely impossible |
| 22:59.42 | elg | you could have a façade that is presented with all the cleaned up commits |
| 22:59.55 | elg | which is composed of the quick every-5-minutes commits |
| 23:00.12 | elg | which you could access as needed later. i dunno, maybe git already does something like that |
| 23:00.18 | elg | but that seems like the best of both world |
| 23:00.19 | elg | s |
| 23:00.28 | elg | and fundamentally no different than mq, incidentally. |
| 23:00.45 | elg | though syntactic-sugarly it might be another issue |
| 23:01.28 | manithree | Yeah, except mq (correct me if I'm wrong or out-of-date) only has one patch queue. I found it very frustrating using it for several different things simultaneously. |
| 23:02.12 | elg | yeah, i don't use it so i couldn't say |
| 23:02.48 | manithree | Git is just a patch organizer. Anything you can do with patches you can do with commits. Branches help you keep them organized. |
| 23:02.58 | manithree | Not really, but that's one way of looking at it. |
| 23:03.17 | elg | i'm happy with a "skeletons in the closet" history and branching and only use quilt when I need to clean something up for someone else in whcih case we probably have an RCS impedance mismatch anyway |
| 23:03.26 | goozbach | manithree: I'm a bzr user |
| 23:04.03 | manithree | How's the speed in bzr these days? |
| 23:04.15 | goozbach | decent enough I don't notice it at all |
| 23:04.38 | manithree | elg: Me too. I don't mind leaving WIP branches around and merging or rebasing the cleaned-up version. |
| 23:04.41 | elg | c'mon gooz, you know that if you used git your computer would catch fire and you'd realize what you've been missing. |
| 23:05.04 | manithree | goozbach: How big do your source repos get? |
| 23:05.08 | elg | manithree: I'd love to see that in action. I hope I can see the presentation on video |
| 23:05.10 | elg | or at least audio |
| 23:05.56 | manithree | Some of these are hard to demo, so we'll see how that goes, but I'm gonna try. |
| 23:07.04 | goozbach | manithree: I'm using it for menial stuff really |
| 23:07.04 | goozbach | nothing more than a couple k lines tops |
| 23:07.04 | goozbach | configs etc |
| 23:07.32 | goozbach | I'm mostly using it as a single-user distrubuted model |
| 23:08.09 | manithree | bzr couldn't handle my repo |
| 23:08.33 | manithree | I don't remember if it crashed or was so slow I couldn't stand it, but I gave up on it about a year ago. |
| 23:08.49 | manithree | Git is fast. |
| 23:10.10 | goozbach | but git is too damned complicated |
| 23:10.32 | Tene_ | I still don't get where that idea comes from. |
| 23:10.33 | goozbach | bzr stays out of my way and does everything I need an RCS to do |
| 23:10.38 | manithree | That's mostly the documentation's fault |
| 23:10.47 | elg | Tene_: you don't git it? :) |
| 23:10.49 | manithree | If you don't know what you need to ignore, it's hard |
| 23:11.07 | goozbach | ~rimshot elg |
| 23:11.08 | elg | the current incarnation of git isn't bad, actually |
| 23:11.19 | elg | but when it first started, hooooboy |
| 23:11.25 | Tene_ | I've tried other RCSs, I've tried svn, other distributed, etc. I always screw things up with them and get confused, where git always has tools to let me figure out wha thappened and fix it. |
| 23:11.26 | manithree | the core git porcelain is great |
| 23:11.43 | Tene_ | In other RCSs, things just die horribly and I have to fix it by hand. |
| 23:11.58 | elg | certainly, nothing is more scary than a screwed up cvs or svn repo |
| 23:12.06 | manithree | shudders |
| 23:12.09 | elg | but if you didn't screw it up, things were simple enough |
| 23:12.10 | manithree | been there, done that |
| 23:14.39 | elg | but make no mistake, cvs was always getting screwed up and it was seriously unfun to fix it. |
| 23:14.51 | elg | that doesn't invalidate claims that git was hard to use |
| 23:15.03 | manithree | git WAS hard to use |
| 23:15.09 | elg | exactly |
| 23:15.18 | Tene_ | I never feel like I've broken something with git. i don't remember ever having issues using it. |
| 23:15.20 | goozbach | every time I've tried git it's bitten me and I give up in disgust |
| 23:15.36 | Tene_ | that's how I feel about svn. |
| 23:15.36 | goozbach | last time was three weeks ago |
| 23:15.42 | manithree | Really? What bit you? |
| 23:15.59 | goozbach | manithree: I never can get it to do my workflow without lots of work arounds |
| 23:16.05 | goozbach | bzr init; |
| 23:16.06 | goozbach | bzr add |
| 23:16.11 | goozbach | bzr ci -m "initial import" |
| 23:16.23 | goozbach | bzr push sftp:backup:server |
| 23:16.24 | manithree | git init |
| 23:16.31 | Tene_ | the other dvcs systems just make me feel "This acts weird, has confusing assumptions, and doesn't give me enough control over what's going on" |
| 23:16.34 | goozbach | <work> |
| 23:16.35 | goozbach | bzr ci |
| 23:16.39 | goozbach | <work> |
| 23:16.40 | goozbach | bzr ci |
| 23:16.43 | goozbach | bzr push |
| 23:16.50 | goozbach | that's my workflow |
| 23:16.54 | goozbach | stupid easy |
| 23:17.01 | goozbach | git makes it too complicated |
| 23:17.01 | manithree | All that would work in git except: |
| 23:17.17 | manithree | git add . ; git commit instead of bzr ci |
| 23:17.20 | manithree | and no sftp protocol |
| 23:17.25 | elg | i have git cia |
| 23:17.30 | elg | which is short for commit -a |
| 23:17.36 | manithree | so git init --bare on the repo |
| 23:17.41 | elg | so I don't have to worry about add (unless I want) |
| 23:18.08 | elg | the bzr push sftp:backup:server would be nice. but I just use rsync for the first "push" |
| 23:18.17 | manithree | that works, too |
| 23:18.38 | goozbach | manithree: as soon as it's as easy as bzr to do my workflow (this includes not having to do an rsync) I may switch |
| 23:18.44 | goozbach | but bzr does exactly what I want |
| 23:18.46 | elg | of course, then you have a non-bare repo over there, so if it ever might be used you want to go in and "sanitize" it |
| 23:18.48 | goozbach | I'll stick to it |
| 23:19.25 | elg | goozbach's workflow is mine too. i hope git finally gets to the point where it's no-brainer for us |
| 23:19.50 | goozbach | I need sleep |
| 23:20.03 | goozbach | been up since yesterday morning at 7 |
| 23:20.13 | elg | ~knock goozbach |
| 23:20.17 | manithree | there are good reasons for all the things where git is an extra step |
| 23:20.18 | elg | ~sleep goozbach |
| 23:20.19 | ibot | ACTION sends goozbach to bed without supper |
| 23:20.42 | manithree | but if you're not a programmer, and have small repositories, then bzr is good |
| 23:20.48 | elg | manithree: I fail to see what good reason there is to not support some kind of scp or ssh push to nonexistent remote |
| 23:21.23 | manithree | I was referring to git add mostly. Yeah, that one would be nice. |
| 23:21.24 | elg | but i'll give you the staging directory, though i resisted that at first |
| 23:23.50 | manithree | the sftp-like initial push isn't something that's fundamentally hard for git's design |
| 23:24.03 | elg | shouldn't be |
| 23:24.17 | elg | just a good idea that needs implementing |
| 23:24.35 | manithree | yep |
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| 23:24.56 | levi | Man, WTF is up with Acai berry crap? |
| 23:25.30 | maquis | s'good for you, and some of the stuff is pretty tasty |
| 23:25.40 | fortyseventeen | majic joose! |
| 23:26.00 | elg | levi: just a precursor to bat guano juice |
| 23:26.02 | elg | the fad of 2011 |
| 23:26.09 | manithree | Is it mlm? |
| 23:27.31 | levi | It's what all those nasty ads showing belly fat are for. |
| 23:28.58 | manithree | (mythtv user) asks "What are these "ads" of which you speak?" |
| 23:29.18 | elg | not tv ads (well maybe those too, but I have myth) |
| 23:29.19 | elg | web ads |
| 23:29.26 | levi | Yeah, web ads. |
| 23:29.27 | manithree | Don't see those either |
| 23:29.47 | elg | basically, imagine the ugliest belly you can (pull beer-stained shirt up) |
| 23:29.54 | elg | then, imagine that belly thinner. but still ugly |
| 23:30.02 | elg | put them next to each other and try to sell juics |
| 23:30.06 | manithree | thanks |
| 23:30.24 | elg | if that's too hard to imagine, we could arrange a demo tonight |
| 23:31.00 | manithree | lemme think about it |
| 23:31.09 | manithree | ok, not |
| 23:31.33 | elg | ~acai $harleypig is <action>shrinks $harleypig's belly with acai berry juice |
| 23:31.33 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 23:32.33 | levi | And it looks like it is a big "direct marketing" aka MLM thing. |
| 23:32.56 | manithree | Then it must be good |
| 23:33.30 | manithree | where do I sign up? |
| 23:33.52 | levi | Turn your ad blocker off and go to a website. |
| 23:34.48 | manithree | woohoo! $10,000/month and no work, here I come |
| 23:36.44 | manithree | but seriously, I've noticed I watch commercials now on occasion |
| 23:37.07 | manithree | If I'm watching an hd recording and see an interesting movie ad, I'll rewind and watch it. |
| 23:37.32 | manithree | I rarely even use the 'z' and 'q' skip commands any more |
| 23:37.59 | levi | I use mythtv, and I have no idea what 'z' and 'q' are. |
| 23:38.04 | elg | i recorded the superbowl for the commercials |
| 23:38.09 | elg | but i was sorely disappointed |
| 23:38.25 | elg | there were a few good ones but nothing to write home about |
| 23:38.32 | levi | I probably did at one point when I programmed the remote, though. |
| 23:38.45 | elg | i think those are the keys that skip the whole commercial break |
| 23:38.45 | manithree | They skip the commercial blocks if you're lucky |
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| 23:39.30 | levi | I don't use them much because I've had them skip too far before. |
| 23:39.38 | manithree | Same here |
| 23:39.53 | manithree | plus i have to keep up on the movies my kids come home from school talking about |
| 23:41.56 | elg | i find on some channels it works really well |
| 23:42.08 | elg | or even some shows and not others |
| 23:42.18 | manithree | KUED ;-) |
| 23:42.41 | elg | if it goes too far, you can go back to the place where you jumped from with one button and skip like a caveman though |
| 23:42.43 | elg | so i tend to use it. |
| 23:43.17 | elg | i do pay attention to the time indicator though. if it wants to skip 10 minutes, that's a hint |
| 23:43.25 | unum | my perl rewrite is going nicely |
| 23:43.31 | unum | I think the code looks much better so far |
| 23:43.34 | elg | you're rewriting perl? |
| 23:43.48 | unum | and a lot of duplication has been removed by using function |
| 23:43.49 | unum | s |
| 23:43.50 | levi | elg: That's the only way to understand it. |
| 23:44.13 | unum | elg: I rewriting some perl code that I first started on a year and a half ago |
| 23:44.28 | unum | I still have written a lot of perl |
| 23:44.32 | elg | should be coding :( |
| 23:45.02 | unum | I took a break and cleaned out my new office |
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