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| 00:01.35 | sjansen | elg: Thanks. |
| 00:01.56 | sjansen | Looks like I should have included some \" |
| 00:02.01 | elg | that's actually revision 2. |
| 00:03.26 | elg | http://pastebin.ca/1328503 |
| 00:03.52 | elg | hmm, you might want to s/Default/Desert/ |
| 00:03.57 | elg | or something |
| 00:04.19 | elg | default is the one I modified, and I renamed it Desert |
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| 00:14.56 | tensai | elg: I can't believe you didn't make him do that on his own. teach a man to fish and all that. |
| 00:15.26 | elg | if i teach him to fish, then he won't be dependent on me |
| 00:15.31 | elg | i won't have as much control |
| 00:16.47 | tensai | see if you can patent that layout and charge him royalties |
| 00:19.11 | sjansen | Patent, no. Trademark, maybe. |
| 00:19.44 | levi | fozzmoo is totally just like SuperDell. ;P |
| 00:20.12 | sjansen | Really? |
| 00:20.25 | levi | No. |
| 00:20.30 | sjansen | fozzmoo: I thought we were friends. Why haven't you ever invited me to go hang gliding over the interstate? |
| 00:21.08 | levi | It's the lack of hanggliding on fozzmoo's part that lets you tell them apart. |
| 00:21.32 | levi | And the fact that fozzmoo doesn't froth at the mouth. |
| 00:22.02 | Heartsbane | Oh that is so not true |
| 00:22.09 | levi | Maybe a couple other minor points as well. |
| 00:26.06 | tensai | haven't heard fozzmoo proclaim himself to be a savior. fozzmoo++ |
| 00:26.50 | levi | Like I said, a few minor points... |
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| 06:02.02 | levi | I just finished reading "The Third Chimpanzee" by Jared Diamond. |
| 06:02.07 | levi | Interesting stuff. |
| 06:07.39 | eightyeight | ok. find question: |
| 06:08.57 | eightyeight | find /some/dir -iregex '(.*).wmf' -exec wmf2svg \1.wmf > \1.svg \; |
| 06:09.27 | eightyeight | you can see i want to use the memory of regex, and access \1, but obviously, wmf2svg is going to have to know how to handle that |
| 06:09.45 | eightyeight | so, of course, it's not working. any ideas how to remedy the situation? |
| 06:09.50 | fozzmoo | \\ |
| 06:10.01 | fozzmoo | Or put your filenames in single quotes. |
| 06:10.17 | fozzmoo | Otherwise, I think the shell will be doing stuff with your backslashes. |
| 06:10.44 | eightyeight | well, i still don't think it will work, as wmf2svg doesn't know regex, or what \1 is |
| 06:11.27 | eightyeight | i'm trying to get out of scripting this, but i think i'm going to end up doing it anyway |
| 06:13.18 | levi | Your only hope would be find doing regex substitution in the string passed to exec, but it seems like that isn't happening. |
| 06:16.59 | levi | You'll probably have to write a script. |
| 06:17.04 | levi | I feel for you. |
| 06:17.20 | eightyeight | i think it may be easier to just append '.svg' to the end, then 'rename' afterwords |
| 06:18.55 | eightyeight | find /some/dir/ -name '*.wmf' -exec wmf2svg {} > {}.svg \; rename 's/\.wmf\.svg$/\.svg$/ *.wmf.svg; |
| 06:19.20 | eightyeight | but rename doesn't recurse. so i'll make find do it |
| 06:27.35 | eightyeight | of course, don't forget quotes |
| 06:29.19 | fozzmoo | I'd just do it with the File::Find::Rule Perl moule. |
| 06:29.29 | fozzmoo | s/moule/module/ |
| 06:29.45 | fozzmoo | I'm sure that comes as a complete shock. |
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| 06:38.25 | levi | bash -- the only language in wide use uglier than perl. ;) |
| 13:10.15 | goozbach | levi: yesterday I found a web server written using bash |
| 13:10.31 | goozbach | bash, awk, grep, cat, and echo |
| 13:49.49 | fugue88 | This one? http://hyperrealm.com/wtfd00d/shsp/ |
| 13:49.50 | brac | [Bourne Shell Server Pages] |
| 13:50.20 | fugue88 | It's funny and clever, and he has some good commentary thrown in there. |
| 14:20.38 | Sargun | oh god |
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| 15:48.56 | tensai | ~slashdot |
| 15:49.22 | Jayce^ | tensai, you still got that hosts entry for slashdot on your computer? |
| 15:49.40 | tensai | it's still there, but that server is off right now |
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| 15:50.47 | tensai | the story about WISPs is from a guy in WY |
| 15:53.46 | tensai | that wisp google mashup isn't very accurate |
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| 16:09.26 | elg | ~slam tensai |
| 16:09.26 | ibot | ACTION slams tensai against a large cement Tux |
| 16:10.20 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Napoleon told me you'd be interested. |
| 16:10.35 | elg | ~explace tensai |
| 16:16.26 | elg | -lart jsmith |
| 16:16.27 | brac | knocks two of jsmith's teeth out with a 2x4 |
| 16:17.18 | jsmith | elg: Gee, thanks... in a bad mood today? |
| 16:24.13 | tensai | jsmith: how was miami? |
| 16:25.16 | jsmith | tensai: The training went well, the show was smaller than I had hoped but the turnout was great... the weather started off warm (mid 70s) and turned off cold (low 30s). |
| 16:25.31 | jsmith | tensai: The food was delicious... (as always) |
| 16:25.40 | jsmith | tensai: The rental car was a death-trap |
| 16:29.30 | goozbach | jsmith: did you get stuck with the PT cruiser? |
| 16:29.49 | jsmith | goozbach: Ugh... don't get me started! |
| 16:30.12 | jsmith | goozbach: So, I show up at the rental car facility, and turn to my co-worker and say "I'll bet the only thing they have available is a PT Cruiser" |
| 16:30.20 | jsmith | goozbach: And I was right. |
| 16:30.42 | goozbach | tee hee |
| 16:30.47 | jsmith | goozbach: So I said "No. I'd rather walk next door and rent from another company" |
| 16:31.01 | fozzmoo | You PT-bigot! |
| 16:31.02 | jsmith | goozbach: So they said "Well, I guess we *can* put you in a Chevy Malibu" |
| 16:31.11 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Absolutely! I refuse to drive stupid cars. |
| 16:31.26 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you've never driven a PT cruiser I suppose |
| 16:31.28 | fozzmoo | I don't really know anything one way or another about the PT Cruiser. |
| 16:31.34 | jsmith | goozbach: So I get about five miles down the road in the Malibu, and the engine sounds like it's gonna explode |
| 16:31.34 | fozzmoo | No, but I have a friend that loves them. |
| 16:31.46 | goozbach | fozzmoo: they are the worst car ever |
| 16:31.47 | jsmith | goozbach: (engine sounds like a roadster at 80mph, when I'm going 30) |
| 16:31.52 | goozbach | EVER! |
| 16:31.57 | tensai | I drove a PT once and it seemed fine. I only drove it 2 miles though. |
| 16:32.15 | jsmith | So, I'm just about to pull over and call their road-side assistance number, when I see another rental car facility for the same company |
| 16:32.26 | goozbach | tensai: ever try to park? or turn around in a small parking lot? or u-turn? |
| 16:32.49 | jsmith | I pull in, explain the situation, and they hand me the keys to another car (Saturn Aura) and say "We'll fix it in the computer system... have a nice day" |
| 16:33.12 | jsmith | (and FWIW, the Saturn Aura is a Chevy Malibu with slightly different styling... but almost the exact same car) |
| 16:33.35 | goozbach | Saturn Aura... that's the sedan, no? |
| 16:33.50 | jsmith | So, when I go to return the car yesterday, they say "Hey, what are you doing returning this car? It's not rented in your name... it's being rented by someone named Ernesto." |
| 16:33.57 | jsmith | goozbach: Yes, the four-door sedan. |
| 16:34.02 | jsmith | goozbach: Think Chevy Malibu |
| 16:34.06 | goozbach | nice? |
| 16:34.30 | jsmith | The sunroof was nice, the stereo was OK... the seats were mediocre, and it turned like a tank |
| 16:34.38 | jsmith | (typically chevy sedan) |
| 16:35.29 | tensai | goozbach: can't say I ever did. it's been about 6 years. |
| 16:35.43 | elg | so the problem with the pt is the turning radius? |
| 16:35.47 | elg | do elaborate |
| 16:36.42 | goozbach | elg: it's too small of a car to have such a large turning radius |
| 16:37.00 | elg | but is that the problem? or just one of many? |
| 16:37.09 | goozbach | the seat is not very adjustable (maybe 6 inches one extreme to the other) |
| 16:37.31 | goozbach | the one I drove had problems pulling a small hill (completely under powered) |
| 16:37.39 | jsmith | elg: The position of the gear shift is entirely wrong, as are the window controls |
| 16:37.53 | goozbach | jsmith: exactly |
| 16:38.00 | peno | you get used to them |
| 16:38.07 | goozbach | everything about that car screams design by committee |
| 16:40.47 | jsmith | goozbach: Or design by Soviets |
| 16:43.11 | goozbach | jsmith: committee, communist, same thing |
| 16:43.44 | jsmith | goozbach: In Soviet Russia, the PT Cruiser designs you! |
| 16:46.47 | tensai | one of my neighbors has a PT. maybe it's time for a joy ride. |
| 16:48.47 | elg | so you're saying it's an american car |
| 16:49.23 | goozbach | it's time for a lunch for goozbach |
| 16:49.41 | tensai | ~steal goozbach's lunch |
| 16:49.42 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach's lunch and gives it to tensai |
| 16:51.05 | jshipley | ~lart goozbach's lunch for being stolen |
| 16:51.05 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up goozbach's lunch for being stolen |
| 16:52.00 | goozbach | now my lunch is stolne,m and sucked up |
| 16:52.02 | goozbach | :( |
| 16:53.52 | ^Migs^ | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10155930-2.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Webware |
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| 17:01.09 | eightyeight | really? men can't notice the pms cycle coming out of their significant other? they need software to tell them? |
| 17:05.10 | ^Migs^ | yeah, but this'll give you advance warning |
| 17:05.21 | ^Migs^ | I think PMS is really a myth |
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| 17:12.07 | Sargun | ^Migs^, getting yelled at by your wife is a myth |
| 17:12.24 | ^Migs^ | it has nothing to do with PMS. |
| 17:12.26 | ^Migs^ | that's just an excuse |
| 17:12.54 | ^Migs^ | it's probably no worse than getting a minor stomach ache or having a sore back |
| 17:13.12 | ^Migs^ | that doesn't mean you have to be all pissy and yell at everyone |
| 17:13.30 | ^Migs^ | we should ask a female if PMS is real or not |
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| 17:15.37 | goozbach | kinda wants to watch as ^Migs^ asks a woman who's pms'ing if PMS is real |
| 17:15.40 | goozbach | carnage! |
| 17:15.46 | goozbach | ~carnage ^Migs^ |
| 17:16.27 | ^Migs^ | this is why it's safer to ask someone on IRC |
| 17:35.13 | levi | Ugh, why did I have to check my scrollback? |
| 17:35.38 | levi | I really didn't need to know of the existence of a web server written in shell script. That's just disgusting. |
| 17:36.38 | levi | Also, my aunt got a PT Cruiser when they first came out and she really liked it. I got to drive it around for a bit and it was... just another car. |
| 17:37.03 | levi | Maybe slightly nicer than my wife's Pontiac Sunfire. |
| 17:49.34 | unum | PMS does not effect them at the same time as cramps it's about a week earlier |
| 17:49.46 | unum | and I've heard women say that they've noticed it |
| 17:50.03 | unum | and I think the front of the PT cruiser makes a nice looking car |
| 17:50.14 | unum | you just have to position it so you can't see the back |
| 17:50.38 | mrpull-lt | i love #utah |
| 17:50.40 | mrpull-lt | really i do |
| 17:50.58 | unum | many women are grouchy because they have cramps, but that is not pms |
| 17:54.47 | *** topic/#utah by eightyeight -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | sjansen: "Lucite hardening ... must end life in classic Lorne Greene pose from "Battlestar Galactica." Best ... death ... ever!" |
| 17:54.57 | ^Migs^ | if you have cramps, just deal with it |
| 17:54.59 | ^Migs^ | don't be a grouch |
| 17:55.31 | unum | ^Migs^: true, but it's important to know that, that is not PMS(though even some women think it is) |
| 17:55.58 | unum | finally xkcd to the rescue, I've never understood that whole base analogy |
| 17:56.14 | Jayce^ | mrpull-lt, you going to attend photocamp? |
| 17:56.28 | goozbach | coolest pool table ever: http://www.nottagedesign.com/?id=1 |
| 17:56.30 | brac | [Nottage Design] |
| 17:56.35 | eightyeight | ^Migs^: with the monthly cycle, their horomones are exceptionall high. that's the reason for the crankiness |
| 17:56.50 | mrpull-lt | Jayce^: yes. i'm pretty impressed with what all the locals are doing. it's a good time to be a beginner. |
| 17:57.01 | ^Migs^ | women have had millions of years to get used to it |
| 17:57.13 | eightyeight | then, 2 weeks later when they're ovulating, the horomones go all out of whack again |
| 17:57.27 | goozbach | it costs $40,000 |
| 17:57.28 | ^Migs^ | this is why it's good to be a man |
| 17:57.31 | eightyeight | maybe so, but my wife hasn't had millions of years to get used to it |
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| 17:57.44 | ^Migs^ | even my wife claims PMS is a myth |
| 17:57.55 | ^Migs^ | she also confessed that childbirth really isn't that painful |
| 17:58.19 | mrpull-lt | goozbach: no felt? wouldn't that affect english? |
| 17:58.23 | unum | not every woman is affected by pms, and child birth is different for different women |
| 17:58.32 | eightyeight | i'll tell you right now that pms is very real for my wife |
| 17:58.33 | Jayce^ | mrpull-lt, says it has some resin top.. |
| 17:58.49 | mrpull-lt | is lazy, only looked at pics |
| 17:59.01 | eggyknap | child birth is different from child to child |
| 17:59.03 | eightyeight | so real, in fact, that i debate every month spending a week in a hotel room. :) |
| 17:59.04 | unum | I've known women who barely notice the cramping and others that are doubled over in pain |
| 17:59.06 | ^Migs^ | I think childbirth can be equated to having a bad stomach flu, or really painful farts |
| 17:59.10 | unum | eggyknap: good point |
| 17:59.13 | eggyknap | has been waiting for $latest_child to decide it was time to come out for hte past three days |
| 17:59.42 | Jayce^ | eggyknap, all three of mine had to be coerced out |
| 17:59.53 | ^Migs^ | And no woman will ever know the intense, unrivaled pain of being kicked in the groin. Childbirth has nothing on that. |
| 17:59.56 | jsmith | Mine too... |
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| 18:00.05 | eggyknap | I would too, if I knew it was you waiting for me (*rimshot*) |
| 18:00.17 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:00.47 | eggyknap | We're planning on this one at home, w/ midwife, so coercion is a less-accessible option this time 'round. |
| 18:01.02 | unum | I've known women who will notice that they are in a bad mood right before they start cramping, but knowing about it helps them control it better |
| 18:01.28 | eightyeight | i can tell the day before. i always get a good earfull about something |
| 18:01.57 | eightyeight | i didn't clean good enough, or i didn't make breakfast, or i spend too much time on the computer. |
| 18:02.25 | Jayce^ | see eightyeight, if you were just a better person, none of it would be an issue! |
| 18:02.46 | eightyeight | then, it's like that for a solid 3 days. after which, it backs off, and i'm in the clear for the next 4 weeks |
| 18:02.57 | eightyeight | Jayce^: i guess so |
| 18:03.03 | levi | My wife would beg to differ on the childbirth pain thing. |
| 18:03.44 | eightyeight | ^Migs^: it's just as painful for a women to be kicked between the legs as it is a man |
| 18:03.45 | levi | She had no painkillers at all for the last one, since it happened so fast. She was NOT happy about that. |
| 18:04.05 | ^Migs^ | prove it |
| 18:04.54 | eightyeight | i'll tell you this: i saw a girl in high school get kicked there, and she doubled over it the fetal position on the floor just like a guy |
| 18:05.09 | eightyeight | she was writhing in pain and in tears |
| 18:05.10 | tensai | levi: same for my wife on the last one. I have never heard somebody scream quite like that. it did not seem pleasant. |
| 18:05.29 | ^Migs^ | she probably just wanted attention |
| 18:05.41 | tensai | /ignore ^Migs^ |
| 18:05.44 | eightyeight | oh brother. yeah. that's it |
| 18:05.46 | eightyeight | good gravy |
| 18:06.00 | ^Migs^ | besides, after women have childbirth at least you get a baby. After being kicked in the groin, you're just left with pain |
| 18:06.03 | unum | it's different for women because it's not the gut wrenching feeling, but they have A LOT of nerves there |
| 18:06.04 | eightyeight | tensai: normally, i do |
| 18:06.16 | levi | tensai: No, not pleasant at all. And afterwards, she was an a really weird daze for a while. |
| 18:06.41 | ^Migs^ | you'd think humans would've evolved a protective coating around the genitalia |
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| 18:07.00 | eightyeight | after all, we've had millions of years to get used to it, right? |
| 18:07.25 | ^Migs^ | childbirth happens more frequently than groin shots |
| 18:07.56 | sjansen | Anybody understand the find -prune option? |
| 18:08.19 | fozzmoo | sjansen: It's exclusively for old people. |
| 18:08.36 | ^Migs^ | plus, not long after childbirth, women may say, "I want another baby!" After being kicked in the groin, you don't hear any man saying, "I'd like to be kicked in the groin again!" |
| 18:09.08 | eightyeight | because the joy a child brings to the family is worth the pain. what joy does getting kicked in the groin bring? |
| 18:09.11 | ^Migs^ | being kicked in the groin definitely wins for least pleasant experience, to say the least |
| 18:09.19 | tensai | levi: the only positive was that she was done less than an hour after arriving at the hospital |
| 18:09.50 | ^Migs^ | my wife's childbirths were all, like, 10 minutes long |
| 18:10.02 | ^Migs^ | groinkicks you can feel for hours |
| 18:10.07 | fozzmoo | find * -prune -print |
| 18:10.14 | ^Migs^ | okay, enough trolling |
| 18:10.14 | levi | tensai: We nearly had the baby in the car on the way. She was pushing by the time we got there. |
| 18:11.04 | tensai | levi: you could have been like in all those movies where a cop delivers on the freeway |
| 18:11.26 | levi | There were no cops, thankfully, because I was not exactly obeying the speed limit. |
| 18:11.49 | fozzmoo | sjansen: find . -print -path ./Documents -prune |
| 18:12.30 | fozzmoo | sjansen: -prune seems to operate on -path by stopping find from going past the matching directory |
| 18:12.58 | tensai | I was driving fairly carefully, for one because we weren't nearly that advanced and for two she would yell at me for the slightest bump |
| 18:13.23 | sjansen | find -prune deceptively implies that it can be used to exclude stuff, but doesn't seem to actually help much in reality. |
| 18:13.26 | elg | new baby(s) or just war stories? |
| 18:13.36 | levi | Just war stories. :) |
| 18:13.43 | tensai | what's the difference? |
| 18:13.56 | elg | you don't have to change war stories |
| 18:13.59 | elg | though you can if you feel like it |
| 18:14.17 | fozzmoo | heh. There was a video on AFV a couple weeks ago where a couple are in the hospital and she's in labor and starts having a contraction and smacks the guy in the groin. |
| 18:14.33 | sjansen | For example, let's say I want to copy the content of */dist into ./dist, without trying to copy ./dist into ./dist, you'd think -prune would help. But I've yet to figure out how to do it. |
| 18:15.00 | sjansen | s/*\/dist/dist\// |
| 18:15.04 | fozzmoo | sjansen: It does seem rather weak. |
| 18:15.25 | elg | you know i miss an old dos utility called "no" |
| 18:15.29 | tensai | sjansen: what about rsync? --exclude works rather well. |
| 18:15.44 | tensai | and rsync can work on local directories just fine |
| 18:15.58 | elg | no ./dist cp */dist ./dist |
| 18:16.02 | elg | or something like that |
| 18:16.07 | elg | i don't remember the syntax, but it was handy |
| 18:16.29 | sjansen | How would I use rsync to copy the contents of multiple dist/ directories at arbitrary depths to the top left ./dist/ ? |
| 18:16.57 | tensai | sjansen: I can't be bothered by details. I just imagine the possibilities and let you run wild. |
| 18:17.15 | elg | top left? |
| 18:17.26 | goozbach | sjansen: you see, tensai is more of a mission statement kinda guy |
| 18:17.35 | tensai | goozbach: exactly |
| 18:17.36 | goozbach | leaves the details to others |
| 18:17.52 | elg | find $whatever -print0 | head or tail or whatever to strip the "top left" one | xargs ... |
| 18:18.07 | goozbach | behold the power of the pipe! |
| 18:18.18 | Tene_ | sjansen: find . -mindepth 2 -exec ... + |
| 18:18.54 | elg | sjansen: i should thank you for spurring on my coloring diversion yesterday. i can actually read the colored diffs git spits out now |
| 18:19.13 | tensai | goozbach: that's what michael phelps said |
| 18:19.15 | tensai | ~rimshot |
| 18:19.16 | ibot | ba-dum CHH |
| 18:19.25 | sjansen | elg: Blog, blog it good. |
| 18:19.29 | elg | and i have i think a final refined set of colors, but they're only in my osx terminal for the moment |
| 18:19.29 | goozbach | tensai: nice! |
| 18:19.56 | elg | eventually i'll get around to bloggin the colors and maybe even spit out some gnome-terminal settings (or maybe just some xterm resources, now that screen is pimped) |
| 18:20.08 | elg | and my revised dircolors |
| 18:20.12 | goozbach | elg: I must say your screen blog post has me down a deep rabbit hole of termcap and hardstatus |
| 18:20.25 | elg | :) |
| 18:20.38 | goozbach | I've got this fancy "softstatus" line as part of my bash prompt |
| 18:21.08 | goozbach | but it has some downsides, it's at the top of the window, and it freaks out if your path gets longer than the columns of the window |
| 18:21.22 | sjansen | find ! -path './dist/*' -path '*/dist/*' -exec cp {} ./dist/ \; -print |
| 18:21.56 | sjansen | -mindepth 3 also appears to work |
| 18:22.25 | elg | you forgot the leading dot, for portabilly |
| 18:23.01 | elg | ~port sjansen |
| 18:23.40 | sjansen | -path is only portable to HP-UX anyway |
| 18:23.41 | fungus | What's wrong with rsync -av */dist/ ./dist/ |
| 18:26.29 | sjansen | Uhmm, it depends on rsync being installed. And, uhmm.... Where were you 15 minutes ago when I needed you fungus? |
| 18:26.33 | sjansen | Huh? Huh?! |
| 18:26.39 | sjansen | This is all _your_ fault. |
| 18:27.17 | fungus | Yes it depends on rsync, but it is the most coolest awesomest utility evar. |
| 18:27.39 | fungus | It should be installed on every machine one touches. |
| 18:44.04 | harleypig | anyone have experience connecting to jabber using bitlbee? |
| 18:44.19 | Tene_ | harleypig: eightyeight does, iirc. |
| 18:44.55 | harleypig | Tene_: thx |
| 18:45.13 | harleypig | eightyeight: you paying attention to irc? |
| 18:48.06 | goozbach | harleypig: what's up |
| 18:48.11 | goozbach | I use bitlbee with jabber |
| 18:48.19 | goozbach | plug.org and google talk even |
| 18:48.40 | goozbach | oh wait, plug.org is broken... |
| 18:48.44 | goozbach | but google talk |
| 18:49.00 | Jayce^ | plugs is? |
| 18:49.04 | Jayce^ | is talking to fozzmoo over it |
| 18:49.19 | goozbach | my access to plug.org is broken |
| 18:49.30 | goozbach | methinks it's my bitlbee server |
| 18:49.43 | goozbach | I did a kernel and glibc upgrade, and haven't rebooted yet |
| 18:49.58 | goozbach | methinks that has caused me problems |
| 18:50.07 | goozbach | methinks I use methinks too much, methinks |
| 18:51.24 | harleypig | goozbach: I'm trying to connect to our server trhough my linode irssi/bitlbee setup. |
| 18:51.29 | sjansen | ~stop goozbach thinking |
| 18:51.29 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops goozbach thinking |
| 18:54.20 | harleypig | I've tried account add jabber harleypig@vankomenmedia.com password jabber.vankomenmedia.com with various permutations on the port and ssl. |
| 18:54.41 | harleypig | I keep getting either unable to connect or failed login attempts. |
| 18:54.50 | goozbach | are you able to connect through pidgin? |
| 18:55.39 | harleypig | Haven't tried ... the other developers are able to connect from both here and home using pidgin. |
| 18:55.59 | harleypig | I'm not aware of a console based pidgin client I can use on my linode. |
| 18:58.01 | unum | harleypig: bitblbee supports a lot of the same protocols |
| 18:58.16 | unum | but you'll have to talk to eightyeight for details(and spelling) |
| 18:58.50 | harleypig | ok, it looks like ssl and/or tls is required. |
| 19:04.37 | harleypig | It's tls, according to the logs |
| 19:04.50 | goozbach | ok |
| 19:04.55 | goozbach | you need a server arg IIRC |
| 19:05.09 | goozbach | just a sec and I'll see if I can find my connect string |
| 19:05.19 | unum | reads the backlog and realizes he is using bitlbee |
| 19:05.29 | unum | shuts up |
| 19:06.20 | goozbach | harleypig: look at 'account set' |
| 19:06.32 | goozbach | eg your jabber account is number 2 do this: |
| 19:06.54 | goozbach | account set 2/tls true |
| 19:07.08 | goozbach | or even just check the settings with this: |
| 19:07.10 | goozbach | account set 2 |
| 19:09.46 | harleypig | oh, thanks |
| 19:10.24 | harleypig | ummm ... what version of bitlbee has that? |
| 19:10.53 | goozbach | bitlbee-1.2.3-2.el5.rf |
| 19:11.05 | goozbach | that's the package I have installed |
| 19:11.16 | goozbach | I beleive it's from rpmforge on centos 5.2 |
| 19:11.52 | harleypig | ow ... i'm way behind ... |
| 19:12.07 | harleypig | goes looking for an updated ubuntu package repository |
| 19:12.47 | Jayce^ | harleypig, story of your life |
| 19:12.59 | harleypig | Jayce^: :P |
| 19:13.06 | harleypig | at least it's not gentoo anymore |
| 19:18.35 | sjansen | ~rejoice that another person has escaped gentoo |
| 19:18.59 | elg | ~escape sjansen |
| 19:38.34 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/comcast-smokeping-qos.png |
| 19:38.49 | elg | s/comcast/images\/comcast/ |
| 19:39.10 | elg | amazing what a little qos can do |
| 19:39.45 | jsmith | elg: Nice! |
| 19:41.21 | tensai | elg: now fix mine. http://www.zmonkey.org/smokeping/__navcache/123394923123191_now_1233085200.png |
| 19:42.11 | elg | yours doesn't look too bad |
| 19:42.27 | elg | but if you don't have qos yet, it could probably look better. ;) |
| 19:42.37 | tensai | I have qos. it's something on my upstream |
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| 19:52.00 | eightyeight | harleypig: what's up? |
| 19:52.11 | eightyeight | trying to get jabber working with bitlbee in irssi? |
| 19:52.49 | harleypig | yeah, but i updated my server and it seems that has resolved the issue. |
| 19:53.19 | eightyeight | ok. sorry. was at lunch the past hour |
| 19:54.35 | harleypig | :] np |
| 19:56.58 | harleypig | oh, got another question for you though, eightyeight. Do you know how to send a group message in bitlbee? |
| 19:57.06 | harleypig | or a broadcast message |
| 19:57.15 | harleypig | I'm testing a message to dev |
| 19:57.19 | harleypig | err .. |
| 19:58.03 | harleypig | to dev@broadcast.jabber.vankovenmedia.com and just dev... both are coming back as 'does not exist' |
| 19:58.49 | sjansen | I love Unix! |
| 19:58.59 | sjansen | diff -r --brief django-filebrowser/ /srv/www.gurulabs.com/python/filebrowser/ | grep differ | awk '{print $2" "$4;}' | while read FILES; do gvimdiff -f $FILES; done |
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| 20:04.00 | eightyeight | harleypig: actually, i don't know if bitlbee supports that or not. i haven't looked into it tbh |
| 20:06.28 | eightyeight | bitlbee supports jabber muc, however, so you could convince them to join the muc. not exactly what you're after, i know, but the only group messaging i'm aware of in bitlbee |
| 20:06.39 | eightyeight | join_chat is the command for that |
| 20:13.52 | harleypig | eightyeight: thx |
| 20:41.47 | ^Migs^ | does this link work for everyone? http://rss.weber.k12.ut.us/rss_posts.php |
| 20:45.07 | jsmith | ^Migs^: If by "works" you mean it brings up a blank page. |
| 20:45.25 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Source of the page is: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><title></title></head><body></body></html> |
| 20:49.40 | Jayce^ | wow, now that's a FAIL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYA_wfuL4GQ |
| 20:53.30 | ^Migs^ | that's weird...there shouldn't even have BEEN a doctype |
| 20:55.16 | jsmith | Jayce^: Good one... |
| 20:56.21 | sjansen | <?xml version="1.0"?> |
| 20:56.21 | sjansen | <rss version="2.0"><channel><title>Latest Blog Posts</title> |
| 20:56.25 | sjansen | blah blah blah |
| 20:56.31 | sjansen | ^Migs^: That's what I get. |
| 20:57.32 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I just fixed it |
| 20:57.33 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 20:57.48 | ^Migs^ | it WASN'T working, though. Apparently hadn't been for month, though no one seemed to care enough to complain about it. |
| 20:59.10 | sjansen | jsmith: Had to watch that twice, second time with my music paused. I'm streaming random techno and the song included "It's all mine, and your woman too." |
| 21:00.26 | jsmith | sjansen: OK... |
| 21:01.45 | sjansen | I guess you had to be there. Up until that moment the music had been just break beats and trumpets. |
| 21:12.54 | elg | gnome-screensaver hates me |
| 21:13.33 | elg | i configured it on this box completely sheeplike. only the gui, didn't try to do anything fancy. screensaver after 5 minutes, dpms after 10 |
| 21:13.46 | elg | and it worked yesterday |
| 21:13.52 | elg | today, dpms won't kick on. |
| 21:15.15 | tensai | Jayce^: thanks a lot. you crashed firefox. |
| 21:20.39 | sjansen | elg: gnome-screensaver is probably demonstrating its solidarity with gnome-terminal |
| 21:20.49 | Tene_ | So, I need to get a new power cable for an asus eee |
| 21:20.52 | Tene_ | any ideas? |
| 21:21.01 | fozzmoo | Tene_: Have you googled? |
| 21:21.18 | fozzmoo | Aren't they just like... 5V 800mA or something like that? |
| 21:21.21 | sjansen | Tene_: Beat up someone else that has one. |
| 21:21.48 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Who knew you'd be all for redistribution of power cables?! |
| 21:21.59 | Tene_ | I didn't have much luck with google. |
| 21:22.35 | sjansen | I say, if you don't want your power cables redistributed, find somewhere else to live. |
| 21:23.59 | Tene_ | fozzmoo: no idea where to look for generic power cables in the valley |
| 21:24.10 | fozzmoo | Radio Shack? |
| 21:24.20 | Tene_ | Hm. Worth a try. |
| 21:24.40 | fozzmoo | Wallow Mart has those multi-voltage AC/DC adapter thingies. |
| 21:25.44 | eightyeight | Jayce^: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW6ffXYI-_k&NR=1 |
| 21:27.32 | tensai | Tene_: http://www.atbatt.com/product/20812/laptop/asus/eee-pc-2g-surf/charger?utm_source=frog&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=textlink-laptop&utm_campaign=frog2 |
| 21:27.48 | tensai | 9.5V, 3A |
| 21:27.59 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: I'm guessing the guys in the video aren't the ones who have to clean that up. |
| 21:28.11 | eightyeight | i'd like to know what started it |
| 21:28.30 | eightyeight | is it intentional, or did something fall, before the video started? |
| 21:28.30 | Jayce^ | gravity |
| 21:32.37 | fozzmoo | Thank goodness for the -Q option to mkfs.ntfs |
| 21:33.07 | elg | one of the comments says someone they knew says they understand the language says it was intentional. or something |
| 21:33.45 | elg | i can think of two likely scenarios: they were fired and this was their parting gift, or the boss told them to stack it 3 high and they had the camera ready for the inevitable disaster |
| 21:34.49 | eightyeight | yeah. whe weight of a pallet of soda is intense. i believe they're instructed to not go more than 2 pallets high, as the bottom cans will give out |
| 21:42.55 | *** join/#utah redbeard2 (n=jphall@208.110.152.42) |
| 21:46.10 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bow staff. |
| 21:46.26 | sjansen | I realized that it was my hair that was making my head hot. So I went into my kitchen and I shaved it all off. |
| 21:47.22 | Tene_ | "bo staff" |
| 21:50.07 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo staff. |
| 21:50.22 | sjansen | ~beat Tene_ with a bow staff |
| 21:50.22 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats Tene_ with a bow staff over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 22:03.07 | eightyeight | at least Tene_ has something to defend himself with |
| 22:04.55 | Tene_ | I do? |
| 22:05.16 | jshipley | what does Tene_ have to defend himself with? Bow staves don't exist :P |
| 22:05.38 | eightyeight | i read it as 'ibot relentlessly beats Tene_ who is holding a bow staff, over the head with ...' |
| 22:06.04 | jshipley | hmm |
| 22:06.07 | eightyeight | Tene_ has the bow staff, ibot has the louisville slugger |
| 22:06.13 | jshipley | ~beat Tene_ with a bo staff |
| 22:06.14 | ibot | ACTION beats Tene_ with a bo staff with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 22:06.35 | jshipley | now he has a bo staff to defend himself |
| 22:06.44 | eightyeight | now ibot changed his/her/its weapon, while Tene_ still has the bo staff |
| 22:07.17 | eightyeight | ~beat sjansen because it's entertaining |
| 22:07.18 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats sjansen because it's entertaining over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 22:07.39 | eightyeight | meh |
| 22:10.54 | sjansen | ~package eightyeight |
| 22:11.08 | *** part/#utah mrpull-lt (n=Jake@66.133.96.53) |
| 22:13.44 | sjansen | ibot: package $target is <action> puts $target in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet |
| 22:13.45 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 22:13.47 | sjansen | ~package eightyeight |
| 22:13.48 | ibot | ACTION puts eightyeight in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet |
| 22:14.16 | elg | ~beat sjansen brutally |
| 22:14.17 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats sjansen brutally over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 22:14.37 | sjansen | ~package elg |
| 22:14.38 | ibot | ACTION puts elg in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet |
| 22:15.07 | *** mode/#utah [+v herlo] by ChanServ |
| 22:16.47 | eightyeight | ~whale sjansen |
| 22:17.01 | eightyeight | ~hugh sjansen |
| 22:17.02 | ibot | ACTION watches Hugh, the freakishly huge killer whale, body slam sjansen |
| 22:17.18 | jshipley | ibot: beat $target with a $object is <action> beats $target over the head with a $object |
| 22:17.19 | ibot | ACTION beats $target with a $object is <action> beats $target over the head with a $object with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 22:17.49 | jshipley | :( that didn't work |
| 22:18.15 | jshipley | does that only work with new verbs? |
| 22:18.17 | eightyeight | ~botsnack |
| 22:18.17 | ibot | aw, gee, eightyeight |
| 22:19.05 | jshipley | ibot: raspberry $target is <action> blows a raspberry at $target |
| 22:19.06 | ibot | jshipley: okay |
| 22:19.27 | jshipley | ~raspberry everybody |
| 22:19.27 | ibot | ACTION blows a raspberry at everybody |
| 22:20.19 | eightyeight | ~Zelut jshipley |
| 22:20.19 | ibot | ACTION preaches to jshipley from the book of Zelut. If jshipley doesn't get it, jshipley is beaten repeatedly over the head with a rubber chicken |
| 22:21.03 | jshipley | lol, bow staves are real: http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Bow_staff |
| 22:22.10 | jshipley | and, bo staff appears to be redundant, as bo is japanese for staff |
| 22:22.37 | eightyeight | what's this? redundancy in the english language? surely you jest! |
| 22:22.50 | jshipley | yeah, we repeat stuff too |
| 22:23.00 | jshipley | sometimes more than once |
| 22:23.45 | Tene_ | where time becomes a loop |
| 22:23.53 | Tene_ | where time becomes a loop |
| 22:23.57 | jshipley | Bo staff is probably still better than ATM machine, PIN number, etc. |
| 22:24.01 | elg | we got a whoopee cushion the other day |
| 22:24.05 | eightyeight | "enter your pin number in the atm machine" |
| 22:24.07 | elg | my 4 year old thought it was great |
| 22:24.10 | elg | until he ripped it |
| 22:25.35 | fozzmoo | Tene_: Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. |
| 22:25.37 | fozzmoo | Tene_: Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. |
| 22:25.38 | jshipley | then again, a 'bow staff' could be the wooden part of a bow, which would still hurt to be beaten with. An arrow shot from the bow would still hurt worse |
| 22:25.39 | fozzmoo | Tene_: Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. |
| 22:26.03 | sjansen | Not if it shows military time. |
| 22:26.03 | sjansen | Not if it shows military time. |
| 22:26.05 | sjansen | Not if it shows military time. |
| 22:26.23 | Tene_ | ~fozzmoo++ |
| 22:26.28 | Tene_ | ~orbital++ |
| 22:26.34 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 22:26.37 | jshipley | sjansen: it's still right at least once a day |
| 22:27.14 | sjansen | Not if it's stuck showing a leap second. |
| 22:27.35 | jshipley | and it's the hour hand that's the real liar, the minute hand is right 24 times a day |
| 22:29.53 | sjansen | Analog clocks are so last millenium. |
| 22:30.32 | jshipley | well, a stopped digital clock would probably be blank, and wouldn't be right even the two times a day |
| 22:31.04 | jshipley | Here's a somewhat annoying redundancy... |
| 22:31.09 | jshipley | Can I ask you a question? |
| 22:31.29 | Tene_ | Eh, I don't mind that. It's an idiom. |
| 22:31.43 | elg | how about this one? can I kiss you or would that make you uncomfortable? |
| 22:31.49 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 22:31.50 | sjansen | Not an elector-mechanical digital clock with backup water wheel. |
| 22:32.08 | fozzmoo | How about this one: "Are you awake?!" |
| 22:32.09 | jshipley | still, they're asking a question to see if they can ask a question... just ask the question |
| 22:32.15 | Tene_ | jshipley: "I have a question that's going to take a bit of time and attention, but isn't urgent enough to demand your attention right now if you have something more important going on." |
| 22:32.18 | jshipley | elg: that one doesn't seem bad |
| 22:32.34 | fozzmoo | Or "Can you hear me?!" |
| 22:32.41 | jshipley | Tene_: that wouldn't be annoying at all, but that's not how that is usually done. |
| 22:32.43 | fozzmoo | I always say "no." |
| 22:33.05 | Tene_ | jshipley: oh? that's how I always interpreted it. |
| 22:33.13 | sjansen | jshipley: I think elg is inferring that if have to ask, the question will probably also make her uncomfortable. (Yes, I said inferring just to bug you.) |
| 22:34.07 | Tene_ | sjansen: I've answered no to elg's question before without anything being uncomfortable. |
| 22:34.45 | elg | i was mostly thinking of random strangers |
| 22:35.01 | elg | that question could have a normal place in a relationship at that stage and not blow up |
| 22:35.07 | Tene_ | Oh, I've never been asked that by a random stranger. |
| 22:35.19 | fozzmoo | Tene_: Oh, come on, don't you remember that one time? |
| 22:35.27 | jshipley | Even if somebody asked 'Can I ask you a personal question?' I wouldn't be annoyed. It just seems that a lot of people ask 'Can I ask you a question?' for a frivolous question that wouldn't take any longer to think about and answer than the original 'Can I ask you a question?' |
| 22:35.35 | elg | Tene_: that's what makes it funny |
| 22:35.39 | Tene_ | fozzmoo: no, I don't. remind me. |
| 22:35.43 | elg | er, was supposed to, anyway ;-) |
| 22:35.48 | fozzmoo | Tene_: Maybe it's best you don't remember. |
| 22:35.50 | sjansen | jshipley: Cant I ask you a question? |
| 22:35.54 | Tene_ | jshipley: oh. you have annoying associates. |
| 22:36.02 | elg | no cure for that |
| 22:36.15 | elg | unless you can sell them into slavery |
| 22:36.49 | Tene_ | fozzmoo: is there anything to remember, or are you screwing with me? |
| 22:36.56 | fozzmoo | the latter. :) |
| 22:36.59 | Tene_ | Ah. :) |
| 22:36.59 | jshipley | I don't think I've heard that much from associates... it's usually something more like 'Do you have a minute?' |
| 22:37.17 | elg | we all have 24 hours |
| 22:37.29 | tensai | not me. I sold mine for a bowl of porridge. |
| 22:37.39 | fozzmoo | jshipley: Which reminds me of one of my favorite lines from "American Beauty": For you, Brad, I've got five! |
| 22:37.40 | sjansen | Can I borrow you car? |
| 22:37.41 | Tene_ | elg: s/minute/unallocated minute/ then. |
| 22:37.46 | sjansen | What did you do to your hair? |
| 22:37.55 | elg | that one's easy |
| 22:37.57 | elg | I shaved it |
| 22:38.08 | fozzmoo | "Could I borrow a Kleenex?" |
| 22:38.17 | Tene_ | that one bugs me. |
| 22:38.29 | sjansen | Are you wearing that because you haven't done laundry yet? |
| 22:39.48 | jshipley | or, 'You/I/We should invest in a...,' when it's completely not an investment |
| 22:39.51 | jshipley | http://www.explosm.net/comics/931/ |
| 22:42.12 | sjansen | Sure it's an investment, just not a security. |
| 22:43.36 | jshipley | Maybe I should invest myself with a belt |
| 22:43.59 | tensai | ~invest jshipley |
| 22:44.00 | jshipley | investment: the act of putting on robes or vestments |
| 22:44.26 | jshipley | Is there another definition of invest involving money where expecting a return or profit isn't part of the deal? |
| 22:44.45 | sjansen | I'm pretty sure a belt doesn't count as a vestment, and it sure as heck isn't a robe. |
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| 22:45.49 | sjansen | I would define "investment" as "the dedication of money, time or other resources with the expectation of a later return". |
| 22:46.17 | tensai | "2. a. To spend or devote for future advantage or benefit" |
| 22:47.06 | jshipley | sjansen: a cincture is a belt, as is a zone... either of those would qualify as a vestment :) |
| 22:47.21 | Jayce^ | ooh http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=10209 |
| 22:47.45 | tensai | Jayce^: not falling for that one again. you keep your crack to yourself. |
| 22:47.48 | jshipley | not that I wasn't wrong before when I invested myself with a belt |
| 22:48.20 | Jayce^ | tensai, but it's a good one :) |
| 22:49.05 | jshipley | I don't think that a belt would qualify as 'a later return,' or 'future advantage or benefit' unless you were planning on selling that belt to somebody else |
| 22:49.59 | sjansen | You don't consider keeping your pants up beneficial? |
| 22:50.46 | sjansen | People invest money in securities in the hopes of getting more money. |
| 22:51.12 | sjansen | People invest time in school in the hopes of getting money. |
| 22:51.26 | sjansen | People invest time in dating in the hopes of getting married. |
| 22:51.28 | sjansen | Or money. |
| 22:51.30 | sjansen | Or... |
| 22:52.04 | sjansen | People invest in Christmas lights in hopes of putting their neighbors in their place. |
| 22:53.04 | jshipley | http://tinyurl.com/6hee9k |
| 22:53.11 | sjansen | OTOH, time spent on IRC generally isn't an investment. |
| 22:56.07 | jshipley | ok, I'm going to go invest in a Pepsi. |
| 22:56.38 | sjansen | If you plan on consuming it immediately, that isn't an investment. |
| 22:57.25 | jshipley | How about if I leave it in the fridge for a week first ;) |
| 22:57.51 | Tene_ | sjansen: I found both this job and my previous job through IRC. |
| 22:57.56 | Tene_ | that's quite a significant reutrn. |
| 22:58.49 | sjansen | Exception meet Rule, Rule meet Exception. |
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| 23:02.48 | Tene_ | throws an exception |
| 23:03.33 | jshipley | If people can invest in Christmas lights to put their neighbors in their place, couldn't they invest in Pepsi to enjoy the flavor? |
| 23:06.39 | elg | i agree that a belt can definitely count as an investment |
| 23:07.16 | elg | you invest in a belt and it gives many happy returns of keeping your pants up |
| 23:07.24 | elg | you consume a soda |
| 23:07.28 | elg | or popcorn |
| 23:09.43 | fozzmoo | How about this one: "Now, more than ever,..." |
| 23:10.09 | elg | you have a problem with relativity? |
| 23:10.32 | elg | can things not be more so now than ever before? |
| 23:10.37 | elg | must they be ever equal? |
| 23:12.36 | sjansen | Unless used sparingly, cliche phrases are annoying. |
| 23:13.51 | elg | you know what's even more annoying? people that try too hard to not use cliches |
| 23:14.13 | elg | cliches, as with all language, should be used only as often as they need to be used. no more, no less |
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| 23:14.26 | elg | -chat sjansen should |
| 23:14.26 | brac | sjansen should know better than anything else. |
| 23:14.44 | sjansen | You know what's even more annoying? Huh? Huh? Do you? Well, do you? Look at me when I'm talking do you! Don't make me come over there! |
| 23:16.01 | JoshH | man, i was just following these instructions, and pasted in the zcat command just like that without thinking... good thing i had a separate /dev/sda1 partition for /boot |
| 23:16.04 | JoshH | https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html |
| 23:17.25 | elg | that's what you get for going the easy way |
| 23:18.25 | JoshH | and all because this eeepc didn't just come with ubuntu already installed |
| 23:18.37 | elg | heh, i just typed 'get' as 'git' and totally didn't catch it |
| 23:20.51 | sjansen | o/~ Carry on my wayward song ~/o |
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| 23:38.34 | levi | Man, the people on Slashdot are dumb: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/06/1917233&from=rss |
| 23:38.45 | levi | "No files?! I don't get it!" |
| 23:39.01 | tensai | water is wet. news at 11. |
| 23:39.30 | tensai | insightful comments on /. are the exception, not the rule |
| 23:40.28 | levi | Completely unable to think outside of their little boxes. |
| 23:41.02 | levi | The people who kind-of got it were like, "Oh, well, you can already serialize objects to files!" |
| 23:42.14 | levi | But that's not the point. The point is to not have files at all, and therefore not need serialization. The VM system just pages everything to disk, exactly as it is in memory. |
| 23:43.12 | levi | Of course the guy who is writing the OS doesn't appear to have looked around much either, since there are several systems that do that sort of thing already, though they never really took off. |
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