| 00:00.08 | elg | it's really too bad they didn't think to support multiple-choice options in gconf |
| 00:00.08 | eightyeight | Tene_: hmm. ok. that's what i was after, but it's erroring out with 'function crypt(unknown, unknown) does not exist' |
| 00:00.12 | eightyeight | i guess i'll look into the docs further |
| 00:00.26 | elg | then i might consider it the power user's configuration go-to |
| 00:00.49 | elg | as it is, it's just a registry where you have to divine the magic incantations with which to feed it |
| 00:01.50 | tensai | levi: I believe miguel is mexican which just further proves gnome is anti-american |
| 00:02.15 | tensai | shhh. nobody mention that kde was started in germany. |
| 00:02.18 | unum | eightyeight: you need to have the pgcrypto module installed |
| 00:02.54 | eightyeight | right |
| 00:03.54 | JoshH | tensai: doesn't matter, linux is communist |
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| 00:06.53 | eightyeight | ahh. i thought i had it installed. guess it ships in a postgresql-contrib package |
| 00:08.53 | eightyeight | well, still not working |
| 00:09.43 | elg | what I'd really love is to figure out how to set my home myth+desktop to have the monitor go to sleep and never put the tv to sleep |
| 00:09.55 | elg | that's not a gnome issue, I think it's an x-level one |
| 00:10.03 | elg | dpms or something |
| 00:10.17 | eightyeight | i'll hack it more later. i think i'm done for the day |
| 00:17.34 | Sargun_Screen | Hack hack hack. |
| 00:34.33 | elg | snickers |
| 00:34.36 | elg | dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.PowerManager --type=method_call --print-reply --reply-timeout=2000 /org/gnome/PowerManager aorg.gnome.PowerManager.SetDpmsMode string:suspend |
| 00:34.45 | elg | or xset dpms force suspend |
| 00:34.56 | elg | they call this progress? |
| 00:37.54 | maquis | is sad... |
| 00:37.59 | maquis | i just realized it's *not* friday |
| 00:41.22 | Sargun_Screen | so sad. |
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| 04:38.55 | eightyeight | goozbach: cancel that. i told you the wrong version number, i think |
| 04:39.04 | eightyeight | Screen version 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 2-May-06 |
| 04:40.52 | levi | elg: That particular command may not be progress, but exposing a programmatic control API for GUI apps to command-line scripts is a pretty nifty thing. |
| 04:41.56 | goozbach | eightyeight: that makes sense |
| 04:42.18 | goozbach | same version doesn't do the same thing makes no sense |
| 04:42.41 | goozbach | new version of screen hasn't hit my yum repos yet :( |
| 04:42.51 | levi | Perhaps it's a build option? |
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| 05:04.37 | fozzmoo | Well, crap. |
| 05:04.55 | fozzmoo | XP Home can't use "dynamic disks" |
| 05:05.18 | fozzmoo | That puts me in a tough position. |
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| 05:08.43 | brac | drops a truckload of VAXen on Tene |
| 05:08.43 | levi | What are "dynamic disks"? |
| 05:08.54 | fozzmoo | levi: I don't really know. it's a Microsoft thing. |
| 05:08.58 | fozzmoo | I think it's kind of like LVM |
| 05:09.16 | fozzmoo | But anyway, I had a couple large NTFS disks on my video editing machine that were, apparently, dynamic disks |
| 05:09.35 | fozzmoo | I just upgraded from 2000 to XP Home. |
| 05:09.49 | fozzmoo | The disk manager in XP Home doesn't recognize those two disks. |
| 05:10.08 | fozzmoo | A little research reveals support for these dynamic disks is one of the things that differentiates XP Home and XP Pro. |
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| 05:18.20 | goozbach | ~ha ha |
| 05:18.20 | ibot | hmm... ha ha is the closest written approximation to the sound a human makes when laughing. |
| 05:18.31 | goozbach | ~nelson fozzmoo |
| 05:23.15 | elg | levi: i'll grant that, but dbus is about the worst possible implementation anyone could dream up |
| 05:23.58 | fozzmoo | I don't mind dbus. It makes NetworkManager possible. But then, I've never tried programming for it. |
| 05:24.40 | elg | i have |
| 05:25.13 | elg | a fine idea behind it, an absurdly dumb implementation. and one that doesn't come close to realizing the full potential |
| 05:25.20 | elg | dbus STILL doesn't even have network transparency |
| 05:26.52 | levi | Well, this is GNOME we're talking about here. |
| 05:29.23 | levi | And it's Linux desktop software we're talking about. |
| 05:29.51 | levi | Nobody with any real money invests programmer talent in Linux desktop software. :P |
| 05:30.05 | elg | well there's linux desktop and there's *nix protocols |
| 05:30.34 | elg | *nix protocols tend to be pragmatic and simple, as a general rule. so dbus stands out in that respect (though perhaps not in the context of being tied to gnome) |
| 05:33.10 | levi | unixoid protocols tend to be pragmatic and simple because they tend to be designed to solve real problems, not be part of some poorly-defined 'Linux desktop' thingy. |
| 05:33.29 | elg | because they tend to be someone's itch |
| 05:33.42 | elg | i think the whole DE thing is still someone's itch |
| 05:34.03 | elg | but maybe it's not the itch of the type that design and implement pragmatic and simple protocols |
| 05:35.01 | levi | They tend to be implemented by people who need to make their computer do something useful. |
| 05:35.29 | elg | speaking of DEs, does the new Qt licensing mean KDE will also go lgpl? |
| 05:35.39 | levi | Desktop Environments are used by people who want to run web browsers and word processors. |
| 05:36.21 | levi | I imagine it will. |
| 05:36.41 | elg | i have a linux box at school now, i think i'll try kde |
| 05:36.47 | elg | my wife would kill me if i tried to switch at home ;) |
| 05:37.13 | Sargun | why |
| 05:37.19 | elg | it's been a long time since I looked at kde seriously. always liked qt but didn't like the L&F of kde when I stopped using uber-WMs |
| 05:37.45 | levi | I kind of want to try out KDE 4.2 also, but I don't use linux on the desktop much at all anymore. |
| 05:37.47 | elg | she likes to just get things done, not fiddle with learning a new DE and/or WM |
| 05:38.19 | levi | I never really liked the L&F of KDE either, but since they just made a massive change... |
| 05:38.56 | elg | kde was too, well, too keramic |
| 05:39.12 | elg | always felt like i was going to slip and fall and hurt myself |
| 05:39.38 | Sargun | anyone here know locks |
| 05:39.50 | elg | yeah, they keep people out |
| 05:40.02 | Sargun | ~lart elg |
| 05:40.02 | ibot | steals elg's mojo |
| 05:40.08 | levi | Now that Windows and OS X are both stable and have reasonable development environments, I don't have much use for Linux desktops. |
| 05:40.13 | Sargun | he had some to steal? |
| 05:40.18 | Sargun | levi, compiz? |
| 05:40.31 | Sargun | levi, Linux is far easier |
| 05:40.33 | levi | compiz was still crap last time I tried it. |
| 05:41.07 | elg | reasonable windows dev environment? |
| 05:41.33 | levi | elg: It runs gcc in bash just fine. |
| 05:41.47 | elg | cygwin? |
| 05:41.48 | levi | And emacs. |
| 05:41.59 | levi | cygwin or msys |
| 05:42.28 | elg | has cygwin changed fundamentally? |
| 05:42.48 | levi | Nope. |
| 05:42.51 | elg | or windows become a better match for posix? there was way too much impedance mismatch for me to be truly comfortable/useful in cygwin |
| 05:43.04 | elg | and it wasn't for lack of trying. definitely better than the alternative |
| 05:43.42 | levi | Well, emacs works pretty much the same on Windows as it does anywhere else, and it's my primary development tool. |
| 05:44.02 | levi | cygwin provides bash, find, grep, etc. for when I need them. |
| 05:44.09 | elg | emacs is hip, but I don't see how it could replace a posix environment |
| 05:44.28 | levi | Works For Me. |
| 05:44.33 | elg | the tools are there, but the system mismatch is like the proverbial elephant/gorilla |
| 05:44.39 | elg | works, sure |
| 05:44.52 | levi | It helps that all my work is cross-compiling. |
| 05:44.59 | levi | I'm not building anything to run on Windows. |
| 05:45.14 | elg | but if i had to choose between linux and windows the linux desktop would be far less of a hindrance than the windows unposixness |
| 05:46.16 | levi | That might be an issue for me if I wasn't cross compiling, but as I'm either building for QNX or uC/OS, it's not really an issue. |
| 05:49.28 | levi | The Linux Desktop would be far more annoying to me, as we use Exchange calendaring and email and whatnot, lots of Word documents are passed around, etc. The day-to-day computer crap that has to be done causes less friction in Windows. My development environment on Windows and I have adapted to one another, and sometimes I do development on a remote Linux box, especially for the QNX stuff. |
| 05:51.18 | levi | Anyway, it's definitely a tradeoff, but it works for me. |
| 05:51.54 | levi | I sometimes boot my work laptop into Linux to run Wireshark without having Windows spew its network garbage onto the wire. |
| 05:55.36 | goozbach | puppet is now my biz-nach! |
| 06:12.03 | levi | I kind of want this book: http://www.amazon.com/Princeton-Companion-Mathematics-Timothy-Gowers/dp/0691118809/ |
| 09:39.07 | Supaplex | zzzZz |
| 10:24.49 | Sargun | hi |
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| 13:55.41 | eightyeight | linux haters blog is back |
| 14:01.34 | smcquay | w00t!! |
| 14:01.39 | smcquay | wait, what? |
| 14:07.35 | smcquay | heh, this is some hot reading. |
| 14:10.07 | smcquay | nmap -v -A linuxhaters.blogspot.com | grep OS |
| 14:18.58 | eightyeight | well, it's hosted on blogspot... |
| 14:20.34 | smcquay | so this guy seems to know his stuff fairly well |
| 14:21.09 | eightyeight | yeah. he's educated. he also reads all the planets, and cherry picks when someone gripes about somethingt |
| 14:21.55 | eightyeight | the 'ROFL' 'LMAO' 'OMFG' 'LOL' 'HA HA HA' 'freetards' 'lusers' lameness shows his maturity level |
| 14:25.55 | eightyeight | he's like some angry disgruntled 12-yr old who shows up at a wedding, only to tell all the guests that the bride is a slut, and the groom has a secret marriage |
| 14:26.07 | smcquay | oh, most definitely. it can't be that hard to do what he does. yeah, the 'freetards' thing is ridiculous. |
| 14:26.35 | smcquay | i'm interested to know what sort of thing is opposite of someone who loves freedom. i stick with the foss thing because it's something i can believe in ... |
| 14:28.16 | eightyeight | some think he's exactly what the linux community needs to make things better |
| 14:28.36 | eightyeight | i personally think his writing style is so out of the ball park, that he can't be taken seriously |
| 14:29.06 | eightyeight | but, he makes for an entertaining read at any event |
| 14:29.49 | smcquay | yeah, exactly. it's almost refreshing to hear the shortcomings after being surrounded by foss people for so long :) |
| 14:30.34 | eightyeight | i don't want linux to succeed on the desktop. i want it to be a niche product for a few of the hardcore hackers |
| 14:31.09 | eightyeight | so, i don't care if my browser asks me for an ISO code for my locale |
| 14:31.35 | eightyeight | or if i have to pull up a terminal and create a bash script to automate upgrading software |
| 14:35.46 | smcquay | i've never thought of it that way; if stuff worked perfectly we'd all be a little dumber |
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| 14:39.48 | eightyeight | windows dumbed down the user experience at the cost of making everything more "user friendly" |
| 14:40.29 | eightyeight | now, just because people have grown to expect their operating system to be stupid, doesn't mean my operating system has to stoop to that level |
| 14:51.09 | ^Migs^ | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488348,00.html |
| 14:52.00 | eightyeight | they might have been malaria-free, but where they female or male mosquitos? |
| 14:52.23 | eightyeight | i would hope male |
| 14:53.28 | ^Migs^ | if he went to the trouble to get them tested for malaria, I'm sure he went to the trouble of getting male-only mosquitoes |
| 14:59.17 | smcquay | okay, that's kinda wacky |
| 14:59.26 | smcquay | like michael-jackson-hangs-child-from-window wacky |
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| 15:26.05 | findlay | -chat sjansen |
| 15:26.05 | brac | sjansen went |
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| 15:26.15 | findlay | -chat online |
| 15:26.16 | brac | online had |
| 15:26.26 | findlay | -chat with babes |
| 15:26.26 | brac | with babes |
| 15:26.30 | findlay | whatever |
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| 16:03.54 | findlay | ~lart Tene_ |
| 16:03.54 | ibot | gives Tene_ a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
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| 16:06.20 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | What the flip was Grandma doing at the sand dunes? |
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| 16:07.42 | findlay | ~napoleon sjansen |
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| 16:19.58 | tensai | how can my x server be working if xorg.conf is empty? |
| 16:20.19 | tensai | is xorg.conf an optional config now? |
| 16:25.07 | sjansen | Yes. |
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| 16:25.33 | sjansen | X.org has gotten really good at auto-configuring. Better than distro tools in some cases. |
| 16:26.15 | sjansen | I've actually fixed problem with X by deleting its config file. |
| 16:26.15 | tensai | that's very good news |
| 16:26.37 | tensai | configuring xfree86 used to be a real experience |
| 16:26.57 | sjansen | No kidding. I won't be sad if I never see a modeline again. |
| 16:29.36 | fozzmoo | We may not survive if we don't pump millions into the National Endowment for the Arts. |
| 16:31.35 | Jayce^ | sjansen, c'mon, where's your unixy heritage.. things can't detect themselves, you *must* set everything up in a text file! :) |
| 16:32.06 | unum | after all you now the chipset number for every piece of hardware |
| 16:32.53 | sjansen | Jayce^: You're right. My video card doesn't detect itself. X detect my video card with a little help from the kernel. |
| 16:33.26 | unum | sjansen: ah, but what does your kernel do ;) |
| 16:33.58 | unum | I guess hardware usually "identifies" not detects itself |
| 16:34.01 | sjansen | Grandma always used to say, kernel is as kernel does. |
| 16:38.07 | smcquay | fozzmoo: how do you mean? |
| 16:38.13 | Jayce^ | somehow, sjansen, I now must always see you as a cross between forrest gump and Stallman when discussing computers :) |
| 16:39.19 | fozzmoo | smcquay: Our leader has proclaimed that if the "stimulus" bill is not passed right away, "we may never recover." |
| 16:40.06 | fozzmoo | But, hey, our previous leader was bad and evil because of his use of fear. |
| 16:40.55 | smcquay | ... well, he might be right, on a macro-scale. |
| 16:41.15 | fozzmoo | he might be right... but he's not. |
| 16:41.24 | fozzmoo | It's laughable. |
| 16:41.43 | fozzmoo | It'd be hilarious if the converse were not more true. |
| 16:42.01 | sjansen | Forever is a bit of exaggeration. The big fear is repeating Japan's lost decade. |
| 16:42.03 | smcquay | so by not spending and freezing up credit we'll be better off? |
| 16:42.04 | unum | you libertarian and your ridicolous belief in the free market |
| 16:42.18 | fozzmoo | The truth of the matter is, we may never recover from the "stimulus" package. |
| 16:42.25 | sjansen | Right now, the Keynesian economists are ruling the roost at the White house. |
| 16:42.42 | fozzmoo | We all saw how well that worked out for the folks in the 1930s. |
| 16:42.57 | fozzmoo | Keynes should have been led to the Guillotine. |
| 16:43.02 | sjansen | I'm personally suspicious of deficit spending, but at least a giant stimulus package isn't as bad a sending American GI's to die for a lie. |
| 16:43.24 | fozzmoo | sjansen: then give us a stimulus package! |
| 16:43.31 | Jayce^ | sjansen, but wait, according to most folks they're doing that too :) |
| 16:43.41 | smcquay | i'd like to see a sum of how much we've lost into this war |
| 16:43.46 | fozzmoo | Not hundreds of billions of pork! |
| 16:44.02 | smcquay | is it not? |
| 16:44.07 | sjansen | Because if it goes to Black Water and Halliburton it isn't pork? |
| 16:44.10 | fozzmoo | There's hardly anything in here that could possibly stimulate anything besides Nancy Pelosi's cheekbones. |
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| 16:44.17 | tensai | votes for billions of cured pork bellies |
| 16:44.38 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Get over it. You're upset because your party screwed up badly and is now reaping the consequences. |
| 16:44.44 | fozzmoo | My PARTY?! |
| 16:44.56 | fozzmoo | sjansen: You're just trying to push my buttons now. |
| 16:45.00 | smcquay | (this is the utah channel, right?) |
| 16:45.04 | fozzmoo | I'm upset because we're never gonna recover! |
| 16:45.10 | unum | infrastructure does help the economy |
| 16:45.33 | sjansen | I'm curious to see how things play out over the next few years. |
| 16:45.35 | Jayce^ | unum, A) why the fed, B) there is so little in the bill it's insignificatn |
| 16:45.37 | smcquay | and war just drains it. you're taking resources (humans, dollars, metal) and just dumping it into a hole in the ground, all the wihle making enemies. |
| 16:45.39 | unum | fozzmoo: hoover cut spending when the great depression started, and it didn't help |
| 16:45.58 | tensai | smcquay: dumping it into many holes in the ground |
| 16:46.07 | smcquay | tensai: thru human bodies |
| 16:46.11 | Jayce^ | smcquay, we're paying more on special projects in the first week of the new government than we have on war for the last 8 years |
| 16:46.12 | sjansen | If things turn out as badly as fozzmoo expects, that should shut up the Keynesian for good. |
| 16:46.24 | sjansen | Sadly, if things turn out okay, it won't shut up the libertarians. |
| 16:46.28 | smcquay | Jayce^: so, trillions? |
| 16:46.29 | Jayce^ | besides, yes, we should be recalling more troops.. |
| 16:46.33 | Jayce^ | smcquay, yes |
| 16:46.57 | smcquay | wow, the figure i keep hearing is 700B ... how did that jump to 5+ trillion/ |
| 16:47.04 | fozzmoo | sjansen: At least Bush never said 500 Americans would die each month if we didn't go to war. |
| 16:47.17 | fozzmoo | s/500/500 million/ |
| 16:47.20 | Jayce^ | smcquay, because you don't read enough :) |
| 16:47.30 | smcquay | Jayce^: i can't argue that :P |
| 16:47.32 | Jayce^ | smcquay, that one bill is over 900B now, *not* including interest |
| 16:47.54 | Jayce^ | putting it at a minimum of 1.4T now... |
| 16:48.10 | fozzmoo | How can we even fathom spending more than $50B?! |
| 16:48.11 | sjansen | Again, because wasting money is just as bad as erasing civil liberties? Leading us into war by lying to us and then taking five years to pull our heads out of the sand and send enough troops? |
| 16:48.24 | Jayce^ | sjansen, straw man |
| 16:48.24 | fozzmoo | Bill Clinton's controversial stimulus in the 90s was $19B |
| 16:48.45 | sjansen | Jayce^: fozzmoo is the one who started the comparison. |
| 16:48.49 | Jayce^ | sjansen, remember, I said the *same* things about the last several "stimulus" bills |
| 16:49.05 | unum | I really disagree with the idea that cut tax are what will help the economy |
| 16:49.18 | Jayce^ | sjansen, no, he compared it to the art foundations in the stimulus, you compared it to bush and war |
| 16:49.19 | JoshH | i'd take obama's flaws over bush's any day |
| 16:49.40 | sjansen | Cutting taxes will help the economy. Much of what the government does is waste. Cutting taxes without cutting spending on the other hand... |
| 16:49.50 | Jayce^ | unum, tax cuts are one of the few thigns that can spur newer growth, but we cant' actually afford those either until we cut spending |
| 16:49.57 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yup |
| 16:50.00 | sjansen | <fozzmoo> But, hey, our previous leader was bad and evil because of his use of fear. |
| 16:50.31 | fozzmoo | unum: Okay, forget tax cuts and forget pork projects. Maybe Obama can make good on a few dozen campaign promises and get his party to rally behind reduced government spending. |
| 16:50.53 | unum | iirc he promised a cut in pork, not goverment spending |
| 16:50.56 | fozzmoo | They're making the 6-year GOP majority during the Bush administration look like a bunch of penny pinchers. |
| 16:51.00 | unum | there's a big difference |
| 16:51.08 | fozzmoo | unum: I'm glad he's cutting the pork. |
| 16:51.15 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, until now, I would have said that was a hard thing to do |
| 16:51.20 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, if he did cut pork |
| 16:51.22 | fozzmoo | PORK FOR EVERYONE! |
| 16:51.37 | fozzmoo | He's cutting a slice of pork for everyone who elected him |
| 16:51.38 | Jayce^ | of course, it's the @$@%# legislatures job to cut pork, but nobody seems to note that anymore |
| 16:51.58 | unum | fozzmoo: does that mean utah won't get any |
| 16:52.03 | unum | since we voted against him |
| 16:52.13 | Jayce^ | hey, we already lost one thing :) |
| 16:53.22 | smcquay | yeah, the system needs a serious reconstruction. the problem is that the people making the decisions are (generally) not as educated as they need to be. how many economic PhD's are running this show, i'd like to know |
| 16:53.39 | Jayce^ | a government of lawyers :) |
| 16:53.45 | sjansen | Obama is responding to the fear of people who are supposedly experts; economists and industry leaders. Bush was responding the fear of politicians with an agenda. Obama is spending a whole lot of money. Bush trampled over civil liberties, lied to invade another nation, appointed and defended incompetents over many years. The two hardly seem comparable. Especially when we haven't had enough time to see how Obama's decisions turn out. |
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| 16:53.52 | smcquay | Jayce^: precisely |
| 16:54.09 | smcquay | and next gen: government of MBA's :0 |
| 16:54.24 | Jayce^ | sjansen, so why not go on about Clinton's trampling of Civil liberties? |
| 16:54.50 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Sure we have had time to see how Obama's decisions turn out: We've had 60 years to study the effects of those decisions! |
| 16:54.58 | tensai | deciding which of obama or bush is worse or more evil seems like a rather pointless thing to do |
| 16:55.05 | fozzmoo | tensai: Agreed. |
| 16:55.13 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 16:55.30 | Jayce^ | wants a ctl-alt-del for the Fedgov |
| 16:55.34 | tensai | because bush is clearly more evil :) |
| 16:56.02 | smcquay | found the powercord; just need 200M people to pull on it with me |
| 16:56.35 | Jayce^ | smcquay, nah, 300M pop, last several resets started with 1/3 involvment, so 100M |
| 16:57.00 | fozzmoo | Obama's trampling our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. |
| 16:57.06 | fozzmoo | (What's left of them.) |
| 16:57.06 | sjansen | elg: I have a mission for you. I want a set of gnome-terminal colors inspired by desert. Do you think you could have that for me by this afternoon? ;-) |
| 16:57.31 | Jayce^ | sjansen, uhmm... yeah... I'm gunna need you to work on that.... |
| 16:57.33 | Jayce^ | mmkay? |
| 16:57.48 | goozbach | sjansen: I've got a pretty close LSCOLORS which gets you halfway there |
| 16:58.29 | elg | sjansen: just the 16? |
| 16:59.00 | elg | yeah so i've got kde up on the linux box here. still don't like the L&F, though I hate it less than before |
| 16:59.19 | elg | i like the window and button styles well enough. the icons, general layout, etc. still bugs me |
| 16:59.35 | sjansen | elg: I'm more of a mission statement sort of guy. I prefer to leave the details up to the experts. Whatever you think is best. |
| 17:00.41 | Jayce^ | watches the Utah networking principle in action |
| 17:00.54 | Jayce^ | ex coworker of several folks here just applied for an open position.. |
| 17:01.00 | Jayce^ | stirred some fun discussions |
| 17:01.39 | Tene_ | speaking of which, anyone here know of a junior windows admin job? |
| 17:01.55 | Tene_ | Got a friend recently unemployed. |
| 17:02.23 | Tene_ | Apparently he has some linux experience too. Worked as a linux sysadmin at his college in North Dakota. |
| 17:03.02 | Jayce^ | only serious freaks come from places like that |
| 17:03.30 | Tene_ | He grew up here in SLC. Just went to college there for a year or two. |
| 17:04.46 | elg | sjansen: make you a deal. i'll give you the purtiest gnome-terminal settings possible, and you hack it so that i can switch tabs with super-left/right |
| 17:04.50 | elg | i.e. the windows key |
| 17:05.15 | sjansen | Like KDE? Ewwww....... |
| 17:05.22 | sjansen | holds his nose and looks away |
| 17:06.33 | elg | wouldn't know, but it's like how i want it |
| 17:07.16 | sjansen | elg: Fine. But don't tell anyone I was the one who helped you. |
| 17:08.32 | Supaplex | I can already switch with shift+l/r arrow in konsole, it being one of the very few kde things I have installed. |
| 17:09.18 | sjansen | In gnome-terminal, Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts... scroll down to Tabs > Move Tab to the Left. Double click on the current keyboard setting. It should change to "New Accelerator...". Press whatever unholy key combo you wish. Repeat for Right Tab. |
| 17:10.22 | sjansen | Personally, I prefer Alt-[1-9]. I've never needed more than 9 tabs at once. |
| 17:10.35 | elg | sjansen: yeah, that's nice in theory |
| 17:10.42 | elg | except gnome has some bias against that key combo |
| 17:12.39 | sjansen | Sorry, not "Move Tab to Left" but "Switch to Previous Tab". |
| 17:12.49 | sjansen | elg: What do you mean? It worked for me. |
| 17:14.12 | elg | i'll give it a try, maybe they fixed it |
| 17:15.49 | elg | excellent. this is a momentous occasion in gnome-terminal's life |
| 17:15.56 | elg | that was my last reservation |
| 17:16.04 | elg | i guess i'll hold up to my end of the bargain then. ;-) |
| 17:16.08 | elg | you work fast |
| 17:19.45 | sjansen | Anybody know how to make KDE tabs suck less? I don't want to press shift-r 4 times to move to the 5th tab. And I haven't got a clue how to switch tabs in Konqueror. |
| 17:20.36 | utahcon | anyone got a great tutorial/link/whatever on how to install a soundcard ? |
| 17:20.53 | levi | sjansen: There's probably some control panel for it hidden several layers deep. |
| 17:20.59 | fozzmoo | ctrl+pgdown/pgup doesn't work? |
| 17:21.00 | utahcon | specifically 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 17:21.43 | fozzmoo | (in konq) |
| 17:21.44 | sjansen | fozzmoo: ctrl-pgup means pressing a stupid key combo 4 times to move to the 5th tab. That sucks. |
| 17:22.28 | eightyeight | sjansen: why are you running konqueror? have you moved to kde because linus came to gnome? |
| 17:23.31 | sjansen | I'm using KDE 4.x on Arch to learn Qt and see if KDE or Qt suck less than I last time I played with them. |
| 17:23.46 | eightyeight | on arch? |
| 17:24.06 | sjansen | Yeah, learning a new distro too. |
| 17:24.38 | eightyeight | cool. triple booting now, or kvm? |
| 17:24.42 | sjansen | kvm |
| 17:25.54 | eightyeight | first thatch, then tgelter, then Zelut, now you |
| 17:26.05 | eightyeight | must be something behind that distro |
| 17:28.24 | sjansen | Not really. At least not in my opinion. |
| 17:28.54 | sjansen | I like that it does rolling releases so that I can play with the latest and greatest Qt. |
| 17:28.59 | unum | why isn't thatch in here, he doesn't have job now does he? |
| 17:29.31 | sjansen | But I kinda got the desire to tweak everything beaten out of me by Gentoo. |
| 17:29.50 | eightyeight | at least they're a binary distro |
| 17:30.07 | eightyeight | and their packages are pretty freaking vanilly |
| 17:30.13 | eightyeight | milly vanilly, that is |
| 17:30.16 | sjansen | unum: On his second since leaving GL, actually. IIRC he's at Back Country now. |
| 17:31.13 | levi | So what was the point of Arch coming up with their own package system? |
| 17:31.14 | eightyeight | one thing i like about pacman is the deltas. rather than bringing down 40MB to update a config, you get the 2KB patch |
| 17:31.24 | sjansen | The thing I really don't like about Arch is that they require too much effort to just get and keep things working. |
| 17:31.58 | unum | I didn't know thatch had been at guru labs |
| 17:32.00 | sjansen | That was fun back when I was in school, but now I prefer when things just work. |
| 17:32.12 | levi | sjansen: Amen. |
| 17:32.23 | unum | amen |
| 17:32.35 | eightyeight | nah. i like to geek it up when i can |
| 17:32.36 | unum | I'm suprised how much less I enjoy tinkering with things these days |
| 17:32.47 | unum | I don't know the last time I compiled a kernel |
| 17:32.49 | eightyeight | i keep a balance, of course. but i _want_ to hack. i learn that way |
| 17:32.53 | sjansen | I still enjoy tinkering, just not with the same things anymore. |
| 17:33.15 | unum | I think I spend enough time tinkering at work that I just want to use my gear at hom |
| 17:33.19 | sjansen | I've proven that I can tame a complex Linux distro. Now I want to do something else. |
| 17:36.04 | levi | Geez. |
| 17:36.18 | levi | We got these ancient terminal server boxes for cheap, but they do RARP instead of DHCP. |
| 17:36.33 | levi | Anyone know where to find a rarpd these days? |
| 17:36.50 | fozzmoo | RARP sounds like another euphemism for vomitting. |
| 17:37.49 | Supaplex | rarpd - Reverse Address Resolution Protocol daemon |
| 17:37.57 | Supaplex | apt-cache search rarp :) |
| 17:39.13 | levi | Well, if this box was running debian, I'd be set. :) |
| 17:39.40 | fozzmoo | rarpd.i386 : The RARP daemon. |
| 17:39.41 | levi | Ahh, I guess yum knows about it too. Nevermind! |
| 17:39.44 | fozzmoo | (Fedora) |
| 17:40.17 | Supaplex | if it's an official debian package, pristine upstream sources are on packages.debian.org |
| 17:41.00 | levi | Yeah, this box is some old Fedora. |
| 17:41.56 | Supaplex | a legacy release for legacy needs. hah :) |
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| 17:47.51 | sjansen | yum search rarp |
| 17:47.59 | sjansen | yum whatprovides '*/rarpd' |
| 17:48.27 | sjansen | Old Fedora? |
| 17:48.47 | sjansen | always gets annoyed with people who insist on using old versions of Fedora |
| 17:49.41 | Jayce^ | hye, amazon was just advertising using an AMI based on F8 for perl... that's nice and new :) |
| 17:50.46 | fozzmoo | AMI? F8? |
| 17:51.06 | sjansen | If you're not while to spend the time to upgrade to that latest Fedora every 6-12 months, use a more appropriate distro. |
| 17:51.17 | sjansen | s/while/willing/ |
| 17:51.29 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Agreed. |
| 17:52.15 | sjansen | CentOS, Ubuntu LTS, RHEL, SLES |
| 17:52.27 | sjansen | Heck, even Debian if you can suppress the air of impending doom. |
| 17:53.04 | goozbach | doom! doooooooom! |
| 17:53.15 | goozbach | doom on you!!!! |
| 17:53.20 | goozbach | putrid! |
| 17:53.48 | eightyeight | heh. debian is the only distro that wasn't "tamed" by sjansen. chewed him up and spit him out. :) |
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| 17:55.01 | tensai | TimRiker: ipv6 win! |
| 18:05.44 | thaddeusq | Anyone here running Fedora 10 on a Thinkpad T60p? |
| 18:06.22 | eightyeight | herlo probably is |
| 18:06.47 | thaddeusq | I tried contacting him in #utos, but, he's ignoring me as always. |
| 18:07.02 | thaddeusq | ~seen herlo |
| 18:07.04 | ibot | herlo is currently on #utos (2d 7h 17m 7s) #utah (2d 7h 17m 7s) #uphpu (2d 7h 17m 7s) #ubuntu-us-ut (2d 7h 17m 7s). Has said a total of 97 messages. Is idling for 16h 4m 45s, last said: 'memilyrae: !!!'. |
| 18:07.24 | thaddeusq | looks like herlo hasn't woken up today! |
| 18:14.16 | goozbach | thaddeusq: I'm using fedora 10 on a t61p |
| 18:14.21 | goozbach | what's up? |
| 18:14.45 | Supaplex | ibot: convert 02580000 from hex to decimal |
| 18:15.41 | Supaplex | 39 321 600 apparently. go google. :p |
| 18:15.58 | eightyeight | 1233857758 |
| 18:16.22 | eightyeight | /exec -o date +%s |
| 18:16.29 | eightyeight | almost there |
| 18:16.54 | Supaplex | looking for 1234567890? |
| 18:17.18 | eightyeight | in about 29 hours, i will be |
| 18:17.38 | eightyeight | or, whenever it hits |
| 18:17.43 | Tadaka | out of curiousity, is there anyone who works at xactware lurking about? |
| 18:20.10 | Jayce^ | the plug presenter this month works there, but isn't usually in here |
| 18:22.10 | Tadaka | that's kinda what prompted my question. :) I had a question for him about the presentation, but I'll be out of town and can't get to the meeting |
| 18:22.56 | Supaplex | based on where ddrescue appears to be providing reliable recovery, the first |
| 18:23.54 | tensai | eightyeight: Fri Feb 13 16:31:30 2009 to be exact |
| 18:23.59 | Supaplex | 39 321 600 bytes look like non data (mostly 0's, or some repeating patterns for a sector or two at a time), I suppose this 120mb drive has 2 platters, but only three surfaces are used, and it's used in serial? |
| 18:24.26 | Supaplex | eg, suface 1, 2 then 3. doesn't seem very efficient or plausable. thoughts? |
| 18:26.01 | Supaplex | 120034 MBytes total capacity, but that leaves 2mb unaccounted for. |
| 18:26.01 | tensai | http://www.savagechickens.com/2009/02/screen-time.html |
| 18:26.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.photobasement.com/best-wedding-cake-ever/ |
| 18:26.37 | Supaplex | ^Migs^ has too much time on his hands. :P |
| 18:26.58 | eightyeight | the "best [insert noun here] ever" posts drive me nuts |
| 18:27.19 | eightyeight | why not "creative wedding cake"? |
| 18:29.10 | eightyeight | then there's "i vote for [insert another noun here] all-the-way" |
| 18:29.15 | eightyeight | thx for that 'all-the-way' there. |
| 18:30.36 | ^Migs^ | because "best ___ ever" is the ultimate. |
| 18:30.42 | ^Migs^ | and it's simple |
| 18:30.59 | eightyeight | the ultimate what? annoyance? |
| 18:31.22 | ^Migs^ | http://www.photobasement.com/uncle-owen/ |
| 18:31.27 | ^Migs^ | there's the best Star Wars toy ever |
| 18:31.59 | eightyeight | so, no wedding cake or star wars toy will ever surpass them? |
| 18:32.08 | ^Migs^ | pretty much |
| 18:32.23 | ^Migs^ | I thought it was pretty unambiguous what "best _____ ever" meant. |
| 18:33.16 | eightyeight | i would say this cake bests yours: http://lh6.ggpht.com/ngjinxiong/RqJLSOuTqcI/AAAAAAAAABM/BGpw5xTbmSE/s400/DSC01174.JPG |
| 18:33.44 | ^Migs^ | yeah, but that's your wrong opinion |
| 18:33.55 | ^Migs^ | what's so great about that cake? It's just a wedding cake with extra layers. |
| 18:33.58 | ^Migs^ | big whoop |
| 18:34.50 | eightyeight | nope. it's the best *ever*. everyone else is just wrong |
| 18:35.22 | ^Migs^ | Your opinion conflicts with my opinion. All my opinions happen to be right. So by definition, yours is wrong. |
| 18:35.29 | ^Migs^ | Therefore you're wrnog about everyone else being wrong. |
| 18:35.37 | ^Migs^ | s/wrnog/wrong/ |
| 18:36.35 | eightyeight | hmm. so the "bests ever" are just annoying opinions from the arrogant? |
| 18:36.41 | eightyeight | i rest my case |
| 18:37.22 | ^Migs^ | I think you're underestimating how awesome my opinions are |
| 18:41.53 | elg | eightyeight: they're subjective assertions |
| 18:42.07 | Tene_ | http://cms.aginus.com.pl/strona-1/podstrona-1 -- parody of lorem ipsum |
| 18:42.07 | eightyeight | i know |
| 18:42.15 | elg | they're not claiming you will think it's the best ever |
| 18:42.19 | elg | just that they think it is |
| 18:43.24 | eightyeight | that's not disputed. they're just in the same category as 'rofl' 'lmao' 'lol' and other retartedness |
| 18:43.46 | tensai | http://www.localnews8.com/global/story.asp?s=9795113 |
| 18:44.26 | elg | eightyeight: oh, you mean like twitter |
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| 18:44.53 | ^Migs^ | heh, I like it, Tene |
| 18:45.06 | ^Migs^ | Glorious baklava ex librus hup hey ad infinitum. |
| 18:45.07 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 18:54.42 | sjansen | I do not have opinions. When I make assertions, I speak of fact. |
| 18:55.24 | elg | and when your tune changes it is because the facts have changed |
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| 18:58.27 | sjansen | I am nothing if not flexible. |
| 19:28.49 | goozbach | what's the debian way of permanatly turning off a service? |
| 19:28.57 | goozbach | ala chkconfig dhcpd off |
| 19:29.23 | JoshH | remove the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:29.35 | JoshH | you can use update-rc.d |
| 19:29.37 | goozbach | update-rc.d |
| 19:29.37 | JoshH | or rcconf |
| 19:29.54 | goozbach | thanks joshH |
| 19:30.29 | JoshH | np |
| 19:34.30 | elg | sjansen: i whipped up some colors. i got the colors from desert, but i'm not sure it follows the spirit of desert |
| 19:34.48 | elg | all the colors are readable though, so i guess that's a good first approximation |
| 19:37.03 | elg | a good set of dircolors goes a long way though, and i already have that |
| 19:37.13 | elg | goozbach's might be based off mine, or vice versa, or neither |
| 19:37.16 | elg | i don't remember |
| 19:39.21 | goozbach | elg: I based my dircolors off of yours |
| 19:39.30 | goozbach | look forward to the blog post |
| 19:39.35 | goozbach | sjansen: you are awesome! |
| 19:40.03 | elg | i'm not sure how to export it though |
| 19:40.07 | elg | sjansen: any hints? |
| 19:42.14 | ^Migs^ | http://i39.tinypic.com/292qljc.jpg |
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| 19:48.54 | sjansen | for I in foreground_color background_color palette; do echo gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Default/$I "$(gconftool-2 --get /apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Default/$I)"; done |
| 19:49.04 | sjansen | goozbach: I am? |
| 19:49.33 | sjansen | Oh, wait, of course I am! But, uhmmm... Why am I awesome this time? |
| 19:50.49 | sjansen | should know better than to follow links posted by ^Migs^ |
| 19:51.04 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 19:51.35 | sjansen | elg: You might have to change the profile name if you did your work in a different profile. |
| 19:52.22 | elg | sjansen: alas, i'm taking back my praise earlier |
| 19:52.30 | elg | the bug isn't fixed, i just forgot how to recognize it |
| 19:52.49 | elg | gnome still doesn't recognize super peroperly. it shows up in the list like it did |
| 19:53.03 | sjansen | Shows up in what list? |
| 19:53.10 | elg | but then doesn't require super to be depressed to activate that function |
| 19:53.23 | elg | so if you assign super-left to do previous tab, the left arrow does the previous tab whether super is pressed or not |
| 19:54.13 | sjansen | Have you filed a bug? |
| 19:54.48 | sjansen | And what's wrong with ctrl+left/right? |
| 19:55.50 | elg | it's not what i want. i know gnome likes to know what i want more than i do, but this isn't a question of configuration window clutter |
| 19:56.45 | sjansen | *shrug* |
| 19:57.00 | elg | yes a bug was filed |
| 19:57.31 | sjansen | I wouldn't avoid buying the best overall car because the cruise control isn't where I like it. |
| 19:57.33 | elg | but it may have been a different variation. my memory is fuzzy, but it seems like there was a problem that had to do with Super_L rather than Super or something. don't remember |
| 19:58.03 | elg | what if the door lock didn't actually lock the door? |
| 19:58.28 | sjansen | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165343 <-- Include a work around. |
| 20:01.26 | sjansen | So your complain is that after installing an after factory, third party locking button the door doesn't lock? What was wrong with the original locking button again? |
| 20:02.26 | sjansen | Obviously the behavior of the Windows key in Gnome is stupid and broken, but it hardly seems like a deal breaker. |
| 20:04.05 | elg | call me irresponsible but I like to reserve ctrl and alt for the things they've been used for since before window managers came along and use that new windows key for window manager tasks |
| 20:04.27 | elg | various window managers, windows, and osx have had that right for years. going on 10 in some cases, or maybe more |
| 20:04.40 | elg | gnome hasn't been able to come even close for 4 years and counting |
| 20:04.51 | elg | i'm sorry if you don't care, but I do |
| 20:05.33 | sjansen | *shrug* |
| 20:05.57 | sjansen | gnome-terminal is still the most awesome terminal app ever. |
| 20:06.01 | elg | i fail to see why you should get all defensive of gnome and then when i give a legitimate problem you just *shrug* |
| 20:06.14 | elg | either you care about the quality of gnome or you don't. be consistent |
| 20:09.13 | JoshH | i prefer rxvt-unicode, but i don't use tabs |
| 20:09.18 | sjansen | You implied that you'd rather use another terminal program because of one detail. I hate to see someone inflict needless pain on themselves because of something so small. |
| 20:09.29 | JoshH | i know that gnome-terminal was a pita with irssi though |
| 20:10.15 | sjansen | The *shrug* is me losing interest in saving you from yourself. |
| 20:10.31 | sjansen | At least you're not trying to run Fedora in production. |
| 20:10.51 | eightyeight | goozbach: sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:11.01 | eightyeight | goozbach: same as chkconfig |
| 20:12.00 | elg | how is gnome-terminal any better from any other terminal, other than it has tabs? I have yet to see |
| 20:12.36 | elg | and if I can't configure tab keybindings the way I want, I almost lose interest in gnome-terminal at all (though broken tabs are better than no tabs, so I use it.) |
| 20:14.45 | unum | I just use screen |
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| 20:16.46 | elg | i wonder if screen can be configured to switch screens with one key combo |
| 20:17.02 | elg | vs chaining c-a something |
| 20:17.46 | harleypig | Is anyone familiar with ac3d and, even better, knows of a tutorial that walks one through from beginning to end showing the smallest detail? |
| 20:18.00 | harleypig | Ideally, one that shows how to export for second life. |
| 20:29.07 | tensai | elg: the windows key is one of the reasons I gave up on gnome |
| 20:32.06 | eightyeight | JoshH: i prefer gnome-terminal with irssi |
| 20:32.16 | eightyeight | any other terminal drives me batty |
| 20:32.46 | JoshH | i couldn't get alt+arrow keys working to switch windows |
| 20:33.25 | eightyeight | that worked for me a few releases back, then broke, now it's back again |
| 20:33.57 | eightyeight | i usually alt+(num|letter) to switch |
| 20:34.06 | JoshH | i've long since fallen in love with rxvt-unicode though |
| 20:34.08 | eightyeight | and i love act.pl |
| 20:34.25 | JoshH | i like running the daemon and client, so it only uses a tiny amount of memory even with tons of terminals open |
| 20:34.38 | JoshH | i would probably use gnome-terminal if i was into tabs though |
| 20:34.47 | eightyeight | yeah, that's a good terminal, except i miss right-clicking urls, and opening them in my browser |
| 20:34.55 | eightyeight | nah. i don't do tabs |
| 20:34.57 | JoshH | yes, that is one thing i miss |
| 20:35.05 | JoshH | i hate copying and pasting urls |
| 20:35.18 | eightyeight | i remove the scrollbar and menubar, so it's just title and window |
| 20:35.45 | eightyeight | i run screen locally as well as remotely, so i never need tabs |
| 20:35.54 | JoshH | also, when i last tried to make gnome-terminal work for me, scrolling my mousewheel up over the gnome-terminal, even if it didn't have focus, would scroll through my irssi history, and i couldn't figure out how to disable that |
| 20:36.21 | eightyeight | ahh. yeah. that's an annoyance |
| 20:36.23 | JoshH | but it made for some embarrassing moments when i would hit enter and accidentally say something i said hours earlier in a different window |
| 20:36.56 | eightyeight | because of that, i keep irssi in it's own virt desktop. every other app is on another virt desk |
| 20:37.01 | eggyknap | always has problems getting Home / End to work with rxvt-unicode, but uses it anyway |
| 20:37.06 | eightyeight | as i've done the same |
| 20:37.23 | JoshH | they always worked for me eggyknap |
| 20:37.55 | eggyknap | Odd. Perhaps it's that I'm using rxvt-unicode within screen... ISTR having discovered that interaction at one point. |
| 20:37.59 | eggyknap | But perhaps you're doing the same. |
| 20:38.23 | JoshH | those keys also work in screens for me |
| 20:38.32 | JoshH | maybe you just have some weird keyboard stuff going on |
| 20:38.54 | eggyknap | considers himself unlucky, and returns the idea of switching to xterm to some far-distant back burner |
| 20:40.32 | JoshH | plays with fedora 10 in virtualbox, to see how much has changed since redhat 7.x |
| 20:40.47 | JoshH | which is when i basically started using debian full time |
| 20:41.35 | JoshH | i do like the fedora artwork |
| 20:41.38 | JoshH | the blue is so soothing |
| 20:41.47 | eightyeight | that's one thing i don't care for |
| 20:41.51 | JoshH | but what's this yum stuff |
| 20:41.51 | eightyeight | esp in 10 |
| 20:42.00 | eightyeight | it's almost like they're trying too hard |
| 20:43.04 | JoshH | i feel bad for not bothering to stay brushed up on redhat over the years |
| 20:43.10 | eightyeight | then again, the color palatte in ubuntu is less than great |
| 20:43.23 | JoshH | ya, i do like the darkroom theme in intrepid though |
| 20:43.49 | JoshH | i've been using it since it came out and my eyes always feel fine at the end of the day |
| 20:44.05 | eightyeight | but, the wallpapers that ubuntu has picked for the past 3 releases has been awesome |
| 20:44.39 | JoshH | i just have a solid color grayish-bluish background at work, which i never actually see |
| 20:45.33 | JoshH | well, i shouldn't say never |
| 20:45.48 | eightyeight | if any distro gets artwork though, my hat goes off to openSUSE |
| 20:46.05 | eightyeight | good wallpapers, good themes, good overall polish |
| 20:46.32 | sjansen | Over all, I prefer the Fedora palette. But Ubuntu's desktop artwork is... professional looking, unlike the Fedora hideous failures. |
| 20:47.11 | sjansen | weeps for the time he has spent looking at ugly helixes on student machines |
| 20:47.23 | goozbach | sjansen: the sword background was pretty cool |
| 20:47.43 | sjansen | Which is why it wasn't chosen. Mustn't break their streak. |
| 20:48.03 | JoshH | this blue sun looks alright |
| 20:48.38 | JoshH | it could be sharper and more detailed though |
| 20:51.26 | levi | I rarely see my desktop artwork, so I don't care much about it. |
| 20:52.18 | eightyeight | i never see the wallpaper much |
| 20:52.38 | eightyeight | which, btw, this is a great wallpaper- http://tinyurl.com/aqjpoc |
| 20:53.03 | eightyeight | better than the penquin swatting the msn butterfly, imo |
| 20:55.57 | eightyeight | goozbach,unum: are the usu irc servers having issues for you guys? |
| 20:56.05 | eightyeight | i think i've reconnected 2 or 3 times today |
| 21:00.21 | JoshH | what's fedora's equivalent to repo's like medibuntu or debian-multimedia.org? |
| 21:01.43 | Tene_ | look at livna and rpmfusion |
| 21:01.48 | Tene_ | hm. |
| 21:01.51 | Tene_ | yes, rpmfusion |
| 21:02.01 | JoshH | thanks |
| 21:02.05 | Tene_ | is a superset of livna |
| 21:23.36 | goozbach | eightyeight: just jummped |
| 21:34.16 | unum | eightyeight: nope |
| 21:35.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?ref=sr_list_1&listing_id=20680093 |
| 21:35.03 | eightyeight | it's bounced for me twice today, and once last night |
| 21:35.21 | eightyeight | apparently, there's a dns issue with uen, or something |
| 21:36.18 | eightyeight | looks like it bounced on the 3rd too |
| 21:57.20 | eightyeight | heh. http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/274/48/ |
| 21:57.21 | brac | [I-Hacked.com Taking Advantage Of Technology - Inside Programmable Road Signs] |
| 22:15.52 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK9MNPlwr2k |
| 22:26.15 | eightyeight | and there's 3 minutes of my life i'll never get back |
| 22:34.48 | Tene_ | eightyeight: you can get them back by wasting at least twice as much of sjansen's time. |
| 22:36.53 | unum | sweet more super dell crazy ranting |
| 22:37.57 | unum | "Yea, I think some major disipline would be in order. Those that voted for Huntsman I suggest you get on your knees and beg for forgiveness because your life does depend on it. " |
| 22:38.35 | Sargun | unum, Super Dell Schnaze? |
| 22:38.41 | unum | Sargun: ya |
| 22:41.54 | Heartsbane | unum: what did that clown do now |
| 22:42.20 | unum | Heartsbane: I just like to read the rantings on his blog for fun |
| 22:42.40 | unum | it makes me feel like fozzmoo is here talking to us |
| 22:42.56 | Jayce^ | OOH, flight of the conchords here in may |
| 22:44.05 | Heartsbane | fozzmoo and Dell Schanze in the same sentence. |
| 22:44.20 | Heartsbane | thinks that unum is trying to harsh someones mellow. |
| 22:44.21 | Jayce^ | yeah, unum is playing dirty |
| 22:45.34 | Sargun | Jayce^, why does everyone like flight of the conchords? |
| 22:45.48 | Jayce^ | hilarious stuff.. |
| 22:45.55 | Jayce^ | business time++ |
| 22:46.54 | thaddeusq | herlo: So I installed Fedora 10 on my T60p. The eyecandy works out of the box. The only thing that has some problems is the ath9k driver seems to cause a kernel oops |
| 22:48.02 | *** join/#utah findlay_ (n=justin@unwired-144.guest.inscc.utah.edu) |
| 22:48.10 | findlay_ | ~lart mediawiki |
| 22:48.10 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto mediawiki whilst whistling innocently |
| 22:48.19 | findlay_ | ~incinerate it |
| 22:48.44 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@wsddevdude.weber.k12.ut.us) |
| 22:49.02 | findlay_ | ~migs mediawiki |
| 22:49.03 | ibot | ACTION forces mediawiki to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 22:49.35 | goozbach | ath9k is which driver? atheros wireless? |
| 22:51.23 | unum | sweet got my us tax refund today |
| 22:51.55 | findlay_ | ~tax unum |
| 22:53.22 | thaddeusq | goozbach: yeah |
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| 22:55.51 | *** join/#utah romanovic1 (n=mclark@smtp-3.cmcflex.com) |
| 22:56.27 | romanovic | grr my work computer has a mind of its own |
| 22:57.21 | romanovic | points out romanovic1 as the impostor |
| 22:58.06 | findlay_ | I'm impostifying findlay |
| 22:58.39 | findlay_ | where are you at romanovic? |
| 22:59.03 | romanovic | I personally am in class at the U |
| 22:59.26 | romanovic | my work computer is at work in Sandy, and apparently is very persistent at logging back in |
| 22:59.46 | findlay_ | I could potentially walk to where you are and, like put a postit on your back if you want |
| 23:00.13 | romanovic | where are you findlay_? |
| 23:00.16 | findlay_ | but I'm not going to because I have to do my math homework |
| 23:00.24 | findlay_ | I'm in the INSCC |
| 23:01.16 | sjansen | "Will you choose destruction or will you vote for a SUPER next time??? If there is a next time... I think people insulted God so badly by not voting for me they are going to get a serious butt kicking from God." |
| 23:01.39 | sjansen | -- SUPERDELL |
| 23:01.39 | findlay_ | ~napoleon sjansen |
| 23:02.53 | eightyeight | superdell the next prophet? did i miss the sustaining? |
| 23:02.59 | romanovic | nice, findlay_. I'm in WEB as usual |
| 23:04.28 | sjansen | So, uhmm... I understand why wackos consider Obama the anti-Christ, but what did Huntsman do to anger SUPERDELL? |
| 23:04.40 | eightyeight | he won |
| 23:05.37 | fozzmoo | Sheesh. I fail to understand why people are comparing me to (Stupor) Dell Schanze. I think John Huntsman was an improvement over his predecessor. |
| 23:08.19 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Last I checked unum wasn't so influential that his opinion reflected an entire group. The rest of us just chose not to defend you. |
| 23:08.39 | sjansen | Or have you been compared to Mr. Schanze before? |
| 23:08.56 | fozzmoo | sjansen: You're right. Only by unum. :) |
| 23:09.49 | fozzmoo | It seems that since I've declared my libertarian tendencies in the past and since Schanze ran on the joke-of-a-party Libertarian ticket in utah... we're best buds. |
| 23:09.57 | sjansen | I thought about defending you, but couldn't come up with a sufficiently witty reference to dittoheads within my limited attention span. |
| 23:10.07 | Jayce^ | if unum feels that way about you, you must be doing *something* right |
| 23:10.28 | Tene_ | I was busy stealing stuart's putty. |
| 23:10.36 | fozzmoo | Ooooh putty! |
| 23:10.45 | eightyeight | not the gray stuff, i hope |
| 23:10.52 | Tene_ | BRIGHT GREEN putty |
| 23:10.54 | eightyeight | that stuff needs to be burned |
| 23:11.04 | sjansen | Tene_ lies. My putty is safe by my side. |
| 23:11.11 | Tene_ | No, that's the decoy. |
| 23:11.14 | Tene_ | It's a trap. |
| 23:11.17 | eightyeight | i kept hiding it in various location in the office, but it always came back |
| 23:11.23 | sjansen | And I have the bat to keep it there. |
| 23:12.53 | fozzmoo | ~kiss Fedora 10 Live CD |
| 23:12.54 | ibot | ACTION forces Fedora 10 Live CD to give tensai a big kiss on the hand |
| 23:13.05 | fozzmoo | eh... not what I had in mind. |
| 23:13.33 | tensai | ooh, Fedora 10 Live CD. I never knew you felt that way about me. |
| 23:13.53 | Tene_ | ~tensai Fedora 10 Live CD |
| 23:13.54 | ibot | ACTION chrome-plates Fedora 10 Live CD. |
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| 23:28.44 | tensai | http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/ |
| 23:29.03 | tensai | we'll see if pres obama cares about my feedback |
| 23:30.55 | elg | well since he's expressed his support (and pushed it in the first place) he'd probably have to get some overwhelming feedback to change his mind now |
| 23:34.04 | tensai | that's what I expect. but I'm curious to see how he handles it. |
| 23:34.44 | elg | put in his $0.02 |
| 23:35.11 | elg | i pimped my screen. on my blog |
| 23:38.52 | unum | tensai: why are you opposed to the delay? |
| 23:39.15 | unum | which utah stations are going to delay? I noticed ksl is not. |
| 23:39.42 | tensai | our abc affiliate stated they would delay |
| 23:40.05 | elg | i think the best argument is that those who purchased the bandwidth are entitled to it, and there has been plenty of warning and time for those who will bother switching before the last minute (or later) |
| 23:40.22 | tensai | yes, basically |
| 23:40.27 | unum | elg: I agree, but I don't really care about verizon |
| 23:40.32 | unum | even though they are my carrier |
| 23:40.38 | unum | I guess I'm just selfish |
| 23:40.45 | elg | so it's ok to steal as long as you don't like the victim. ;) |
| 23:41.23 | tensai | there's a cost associated with not handing over the bandwidth, regardless of whether you like verizon |
| 23:41.25 | unum | elg: no it's not ok to steal, the government doesn't like competition |
| 23:41.49 | elg | they've paid for the bandwidth. withholding it is stealing |
| 23:42.09 | unum | thinks elg missed his joke |
| 23:42.20 | elg | oh, yes i did. oops :) |
| 23:42.32 | tensai | not sure if my parents got a converter box yet or not, but I'll use them as an example |
| 23:42.47 | tensai | my dad got a coupon and let it expire. they just don't watch much tv. |
| 23:43.08 | tensai | he probably won't get a converter box until the signal drops but he also doesn't care |
| 23:43.17 | tensai | so 4 more months isn't going to help him at all |
| 23:44.35 | unum | I don't really care one way or another |
| 23:44.53 | unum | I was just curious why you would feel strongly enough to voice your opinion |
| 23:45.04 | elg | the only people who don't know are the ones that don't watch tv. of those that do know, the only ones that don't have boxes already (or in time anyway) are those who don't care or are too stupid - neither of which will have them by any deadline no matter how pushed back it gets |
| 23:45.32 | elg | my selfish reason is that the stations can focus on their digital programming, subchannels, etc. |
| 23:45.35 | unum | I had to tell my friend about the switch, but she doesn't even have an antenae at this point |
| 23:45.40 | elg | their attention divided is my loss |
| 23:45.41 | Heartsbane | I am just wondering what to do with my old TV |
| 23:46.04 | Heartsbane | it is just a paperweight now |
| 23:46.10 | Heartsbane | or a doorstop |
| 23:46.16 | elg | target practice? |
| 23:46.18 | unum | I think the only broadcast tv I watch is leno |
| 23:46.23 | unum | it can still be used for movies |
| 23:46.30 | elg | and games |
| 23:46.31 | unum | donate it to your church :) |
| 23:46.36 | unum | or it can be used with cable |
| 23:46.46 | unum | is it better than the one I got |
| 23:47.00 | Heartsbane | unum: you know .... I don't personally hate you ... but don't ever use that word again |
| 23:47.08 | unum | my brother sold me his DVR for $50 because he wanted a digitial one |
| 23:47.18 | unum | Heartsbane: church or cable? |
| 23:47.30 | Heartsbane | the first one |
| 23:47.31 | elg | unum: donate? |
| 23:48.07 | unum | Heartsbane: sorry I meant to say donate it to a retirement home |
| 23:48.11 | Heartsbane | k |
| 23:48.15 | unum | :0 |
| 23:48.18 | unum | :) |
| 23:55.09 | sjansen | Broadcast TV... Is that annoying thing with too much commercials that requires special hardware instead of letting me just use a laptop with an Internet connection? |
| 23:55.31 | sjansen | s/Is that/Is it that/ |
| 23:57.35 | Heartsbane | sjansen: yes |
| 23:59.11 | elg | sjansen: http://pastebin.ca/1328499 |
