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| 01:03.50 | goozbach | softest crumb i ahve made. |
| 01:07.48 | elg | w00t |
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| 05:38.39 | bonez45 | is hans around? |
| 05:38.58 | bonez45 | got a sourdough question for him, but it looks like he's left.. |
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| 05:56.19 | bonez45 | does anyone else here bake bread.. sourdough rye in particular, like Hans? |
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| 06:02.28 | levi | Hey look, there's elg. |
| 06:04.26 | elg | tadaa |
| 06:04.38 | bonez45 | ah, hello elg.. |
| 06:04.58 | bonez45 | wondering if you have any great recipes for sourdough rye bread.. |
| 06:05.30 | bonez45 | and I won't bake anything with those little mouse droppings.. what are they called.. carraway seeds.. yuck.. ;) |
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| 06:12.22 | high_roller | icanhazcheezburger? |
| 06:12.36 | high_roller | common why isn't it working |
| 06:12.41 | high_roller | i can haz |
| 06:17.57 | Supaplex | sooooo what's wrong with this picture? drwxr-xr-x 18 vu2016 vu2016 228941824 2009-02-04 01:16 phptmp |
| 06:18.32 | Sargun | vu2016? |
| 06:18.42 | Supaplex | keep looking. |
| 06:18.56 | bonez45 | the datestamp |
| 06:19.09 | bonez45 | er.. I guess it could be right in new york.. |
| 06:19.09 | Supaplex | that's trivial at best |
| 06:19.32 | Supaplex | hint, I ran ls when I just asked, and it's not done yet. |
| 06:19.56 | levi | It's really freaking big. |
| 06:20.04 | Supaplex | levi: score! |
| 06:21.16 | levi | What is php doing? |
| 06:21.45 | Supaplex | with this? hah. not much. |
| 06:21.51 | elg | i haven't done much (any?) sourdough rye |
| 06:22.19 | elg | though i did make a new york rye recipe (with caraway, yum) once that made excellent reuben sandwiches |
| 06:23.03 | elg | but if you're serious about rye and sourdough this is the place to go http://samartha.net/SD/ |
| 06:23.03 | brac | [Bread and Sourdough Main Page] |
| 06:23.03 | elg | he's a fanatic about rye sourdoughs |
| 06:23.03 | bonez45 | ok.. going there now.. thanks, Doc |
| 06:23.26 | levi | Mmm, reuben sandwiches. |
| 06:23.55 | levi | Supaplex: What's with the gigantic file? |
| 06:24.23 | Supaplex | but it's not a file :) |
| 06:34.30 | bonez45 | dang.. elg slipped away .. before I could thank him |
| 06:46.11 | levi | Oh, a directory, yeah. |
| 06:46.23 | levi | That's a lot of files in there. |
| 06:46.48 | Supaplex | at one point yeah |
| 06:48.56 | Supaplex | checks the perldoc for File::Find to manage large directories differently |
| 06:49.08 | Supaplex | I may have to rewrite part of the traversal stuff myself. humm |
| 06:50.21 | Supaplex | humm preprocess eh. |
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| 13:46.11 | elg | -chat |
| 13:46.12 | brac | i could get that reference |
| 14:00.35 | elg | wow. just wow |
| 14:00.36 | elg | http://www.pcworld.com/article/158861/windows_7_to_ship_in_six_different_versions.html |
| 14:00.51 | elg | "The Starter Edition (SE) is mainly aimed at emerging market and netbook users. With SE, customers will be able to run only three applications at the same time but will benefit from user interface (UI) improvements such as the new taskbar and JumpLists." |
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| 15:15.50 | tensai | good thing windows 7 will have a new taskbar for the starter edition. can you imagine how crazy it would be to manage 3 concurrent applications. insanity! |
| 15:16.48 | tensai | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/02/ |
| 15:18.34 | elg | hehe |
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| 16:22.37 | elg | -chat |
| 16:22.37 | brac | I teleport |
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| 16:31.17 | jshipley | windows 7 se will only support three running applications? that sounds far too crippled to me, even for emerging markets and netbook users |
| 16:33.12 | elg | especially when you factor in adware and spyware ;-) |
| 16:36.48 | jshipley | I hope they're not locking down processes, but just processes that would take up a spot on the task bar |
| 16:37.28 | jshipley | so, for people that like to keep e-mail and internet open... that leaves one process -- IM? |
| 16:38.02 | elg | ms office, duh |
| 16:38.10 | elg | outlook, IE, office |
| 16:38.12 | jshipley | I wonder if two browser windows would take up two spots, or if they would be grouped together and counted as one |
| 16:38.21 | elg | (for your convenience, all office products count as one application here) |
| 16:38.51 | elg | it's the most ridiculous artificial restriction i've ever heard of |
| 16:38.57 | RyanE | jshipley: I saw a netbook at CES that was like an even smaller eeePC, and it had a Linux variant that only allowed 3 apps at a time. |
| 16:39.28 | RyanE | that was due, I would suppose, to RAM, etc. issues. |
| 16:40.07 | jshipley | for a small netbook, I'd consider not installing X, or, if I feel like I might want to run a browser, install X but mostly use it with a full screen x-term |
| 16:40.56 | jshipley | can you change the font on a linux console (not an x-term, the basic console you get when X isn't installed) |
| 16:41.57 | elg | RyanE: so instead of people figuring out that they can't run 3 dozen applications at once because they don't have the resources, they arbitrarily restrict it? |
| 16:42.14 | elg | jshipley: yes |
| 16:42.38 | RyanE | elg: yeah, on that particular netbook. Of course, it isn't currently released in the US, they were looking for a distributor. |
| 16:42.40 | elg | http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_20.html#SEC318 |
| 16:42.41 | brac | [The Linux Cookbook: Tips and Techniques for Everyday Use - Fonts] |
| 16:42.54 | elg | jshipley: terminus is a nice choice |
| 16:42.57 | RyanE | I'm guessing "keep it simple for dumb people" was the rationale. |
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| 16:49.44 | jshipley | that's pretty nice... next time I use an X-less install, I'll make sure to mess with the font :) |
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| 16:59.31 | elg | aka keep dumb people dumb |
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| 17:33.29 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. |
| 17:33.50 | sjansen | Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter. |
| 17:34.12 | elg | those aren't babes. they're fbi agents |
| 17:35.03 | JoshH | no, the babes are men |
| 17:35.08 | JoshH | the little girls are fbi agents |
| 17:41.40 | maquis | scratches her head, confused as to what category she falls into |
| 17:42.08 | JoshH | i think at least one person here can vouch for your authenticity as a female |
| 17:42.09 | Jayce^ | maquis, you should know by now, in IRC, you can be in any category you want :) |
| 17:42.15 | Sargun | maquis, old woman? |
| 17:42.17 | Sargun | :-P |
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| 17:53.43 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18637190/detail.html |
| 17:53.44 | brac | [Masked Man Robs Convenience Stores With Klingon Sword - Denver News Story - KMGH Denver] |
| 17:59.18 | sjansen | maquis: I always assumed you were Bajoran. |
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| 18:13.31 | maquis | JoshH: yes... at least one person here can... but still :) |
| 18:13.41 | maquis | sjansen: good assumption :) |
| 18:14.32 | Jayce^ | the real maquis doesn't get online anymore, this imposter is just emcnabb in drag :) |
| 18:18.07 | maquis | aw... how'd you figure that out? |
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| 18:36.42 | elg | "my boss wants me to learn to swim, so I'm learning how to make cut-off shorts" |
| 18:41.43 | tensai | good luck with that |
| 18:42.00 | elg | is making fun of scott morris |
| 18:42.14 | elg | his boss wants him to learn rails, so naturally he dives into learning eclipse. wha? |
| 18:43.41 | sjansen | I blame prolonged exposure to SUSE. |
| 18:43.41 | tensai | my news reader hasn't picked that one up yet |
| 18:43.58 | elg | sjansen: you're no doubt right. i should have more compassion |
| 18:44.26 | sjansen | SUSE has a long established tradition of overly complex solutions from out of left field. |
| 19:04.00 | elg | will probably be mentioned on the radio in the next hour |
| 19:04.05 | elg | krwgfm.com |
| 19:04.13 | elg | .org even |
| 19:04.26 | elg | presumably the segment in which i'll be mentioned starts at 12:30 |
| 19:05.39 | Jayce^ | amber alert? |
| 19:05.54 | elg | haha |
| 19:06.47 | elg | it's a "year of the organ" thing. they're interviewing two people from the amer. guild of organists chapter here, and they'll be talking about a "pedals pipes and pizza" event in a week or two, at which I'll be doing a presentation with audacity and maybe some of my research |
| 19:07.16 | elg | janet asked for a bit of info from me so she could talk (semi-)intelligently about what i'll be doing at that event |
| 19:08.13 | Tene_ | elg: I rather suspect that programming Java with Eclipse would feel kind of like "programming on rails" |
| 19:10.29 | sjansen | You mean peeing on the third rail? |
| 19:11.27 | elg | heh, in what way? |
| 19:20.35 | ^Migs^ | http://tinyurl.com/dymtjg |
| 19:50.33 | rsimpkins | Is anyone from the UTSOC online right now? |
| 19:52.02 | sjansen | You mean like herlo, Jayce^ or fozzmoo? |
| 19:52.28 | rsimpkins | I'm on the phone with someone that wants to talk to them. |
| 19:52.52 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 19:52.55 | sjansen | Actually, I heard that undertakingyou is taking the reins from herlo this year. |
| 19:52.57 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Who is it? |
| 19:52.59 | rsimpkins | Do you have a phone number for this lady? |
| 19:53.15 | rsimpkins | Davis convention and visitors center. |
| 19:53.27 | fozzmoo | Yeah- she e-mailed us. |
| 19:53.32 | fozzmoo | Tell her we got her e-mail. :) |
| 19:53.40 | sjansen | Davis county has a convention and visitor center? |
| 19:53.46 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Yep. In Layton. |
| 19:53.48 | fozzmoo | Quite nice, I hear. |
| 19:53.59 | sjansen | Huh. Who knew? |
| 19:54.05 | elg | fozzmoo, apparently |
| 19:54.19 | sjansen | ~give elg a botsnack |
| 19:54.19 | ibot | aw, gee, sjansen |
| 19:54.32 | sjansen | ibot: Jerk! You stole elg's botsnack! |
| 19:54.32 | ibot | aw, gee, sjansen |
| 19:54.34 | elg | ibot: are you reluctant to share? |
| 19:54.48 | elg | didn't yo mama teach yo no mannas? |
| 19:57.48 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, funny that she called you.. |
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| 20:02.10 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 20:02.16 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: She was just trying to find the right people, and randomly picked a name. |
| 20:02.17 | findlay | hello |
| 20:02.22 | findlay | ~find chvt |
| 20:02.48 | elg | -lart findlay |
| 20:02.48 | brac | makes findlay try to set up a Lexmark printer |
| 20:02.51 | findlay | ~randomly pick elg |
| 20:03.11 | elg | -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 20:03.11 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat ~say -chat ~shoot convolution |
| 20:03.11 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 20:03.21 | elg | -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 20:03.21 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat ~say -chat ~lart Supaplex |
| 20:03.21 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 20:03.31 | elg | ~onjoin findlay <action>kisses a girl |
| 20:03.31 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 20:03.41 | findlay | yay |
| 20:03.43 | elg | s/girl/babe/ |
| 20:03.51 | findlay | at least somebody's kissing |
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| 20:10.53 | findlay | how do I get debian to remove the POSIX locale, or at least default to use the en_US.UTF-8 one? |
| 20:11.42 | sjansen | dpkg --reconfig some-funky-package |
| 20:12.19 | sjansen | I've done it before, but that was forever ago. |
| 20:12.54 | sjansen | Personally, I thought it was kinda silly that Debian/Ubuntu can be installed with a totally bogus and broken locale. |
| 20:12.58 | Tene_ | http://indabamusic.com/ is really interesting. |
| 20:19.12 | Tene_ | Thank you, ibot. |
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| 20:25.46 | tensai | findlay: locale-gen |
| 20:25.57 | tensai | or dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:26.29 | tensai | elg: I tried to record that stream. it seemed to be working but when I stopped it, vlc truncated the wav file |
| 20:26.32 | tensai | ~lart vlc |
| 20:26.32 | ibot | takes out vlc with the trash |
| 20:26.35 | eightyeight | sjansen: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 20:27.17 | sjansen | Close enough. |
| 20:27.52 | jshipley | I can't believe it's finally here: Debian is supposed to be releasing Lenny on Feb 14 |
| 20:28.21 | tensai | a debian release and a dtv conversion? I refuse to believe it |
| 20:28.28 | eightyeight | i don't see any locales other than en_??.UTF-8 |
| 20:28.44 | eightyeight | with ubuntu 8.10 that is, any way |
| 20:28.51 | eightyeight | checks debian lenny |
| 20:29.33 | elg | tensai: bummer. i have the whole thing, do you want an mp3? |
| 20:29.45 | elg | and i didn't get mentioned |
| 20:29.52 | elg | but it's still an interesting set about the organ |
| 20:30.02 | eightyeight | en_US.UTF-8 is the default in lenny |
| 20:30.08 | tensai | if it's interesting, I guess so |
| 20:30.17 | eightyeight | findlay: what version of debian? |
| 20:30.40 | eightyeight | (for my install, that is) |
| 20:33.22 | findlay | eightyeight, tensai: testing/unstable |
| 20:34.33 | findlay | except the specific problem for me is that gnome-terminal still has the posix locale and defaults to it |
| 20:34.42 | findlay | to my extreme annoyance |
| 20:35.57 | eightyeight | findlay: booting up by lenny desktop now. i find it odd that you're defaulting to posix |
| 20:36.02 | eightyeight | is this a vanilla install? |
| 20:36.03 | findlay | me too |
| 20:36.07 | findlay | roughly |
| 20:37.49 | eightyeight | i'm defaulted to en_US.UTF-8 here. so, i'm guessing something messed it up for you |
| 20:39.13 | undertakingyou | sjansen: I don't know if it is taking as much as herlo is sharing more. |
| 20:40.46 | fozzmoo | ~worship undertakingyou |
| 20:40.47 | ibot | ACTION genuflects before undertakingyou. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 20:41.05 | undertakingyou | "Stop that grovelling!" |
| 20:44.35 | tensai | levi: I seem to recall you enjoy potent ginger ale |
| 20:44.50 | tensai | levi: http://www.ming.com/simplyming/showrecipes_season4/410_GingerSyrup.html |
| 20:44.51 | brac | [Ginger Syrup - Simply Ming] |
| 20:45.43 | tensai | I made some and it's tasty. easy to adjust for a more gingery taste, if one so desires. |
| 20:46.34 | Tene_ | http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ -- very interesting idea |
| 20:49.42 | eightyeight | Tene_: interesting. i wonder if we could compare the current to the previous president |
| 20:49.53 | fozzmoo | Tene_: that is interesting. |
| 20:50.13 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: Why? THat would only show that the messiah is just as slimey as any other politician. |
| 20:51.01 | eightyeight | actually, i would like to see that on all recent presidents post-kennedy |
| 20:51.37 | fozzmoo | I heard someone say Carter was hailed as a savior when he was first elected. |
| 20:51.46 | fozzmoo | I was like 4 years old then. |
| 20:51.49 | fozzmoo | So, I wasn't paying attention. |
| 20:52.13 | Tene_ | I heard someone say that they heard someone say that Obama was an evil muslim. |
| 20:52.19 | fozzmoo | I wonder how many times Carter was on the cover of Time magazine before he was inaugurated. |
| 20:52.45 | fozzmoo | Tene_: The muslims in the world are bound to think so. |
| 20:53.01 | fozzmoo | Did you know he used to be muslim, but then he left Islam? |
| 20:53.20 | fozzmoo | That's an egregious sin in them parts. |
| 20:53.26 | eightyeight | [citation needed] |
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| 20:53.39 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: Widely cited. Not necessary. |
| 20:53.50 | eightyeight | then it must be true |
| 20:53.51 | Tene_ | I'm mostly just making fun of "I heard someone say" without making any real point. |
| 20:53.52 | Jayce^ | his own books |
| 20:54.29 | tensai | Tene_: I thought it was good |
| 20:54.31 | Jayce^ | Tene_, I think fozzmoo is playing off your play.. turned the accusation around |
| 20:54.56 | fozzmoo | play with me! |
| 20:57.26 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Only insane people think Obama is the messiah. And since when does one mistake make him slimey? |
| 20:58.00 | sjansen | Or are you just assuming that because he is a politician and you want him to fail he will be slimey? |
| 20:58.09 | fozzmoo | sjansen: I'm glad we both agree most of the media is insane. :) |
| 20:59.13 | eightyeight | goozbach: same version of screen, and no vertical split, eh? interesting |
| 20:59.13 | sjansen | Personally, I think that site is genius. We as citizens should do more to hold politicians feet to the fire. |
| 20:59.30 | sjansen | I hope it gets extended to congress and state govt. too. |
| 20:59.46 | eightyeight | what happens when he starts putting laws up for comment for 5 days? does it change from broken to kept? |
| 21:00.00 | eightyeight | or, if some are up for 5 and others aren't? |
| 21:00.15 | fozzmoo | They've got some "compromise" meter or something, I noticed. |
| 21:00.19 | tensai | http://web.archive.org/web/20071015142829/obama.senate.gov/press/070123-debunked_insigh/index.php |
| 21:00.22 | brac | [Debunked Insight Magazine and Fox News Smear Campaign | U.S. Senator Barack Obama] |
| 21:00.29 | tensai | "To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago." |
| 21:00.37 | tensai | is the official statement from obama |
| 21:00.59 | fozzmoo | Of course it is. |
| 21:01.39 | elg | i fail to see how "widely cited" is sufficient documentation when the person says the opposite |
| 21:01.44 | sjansen | But because fozzmoo wants to believe that Obama is satan incarnate, he must accept all claims that support his world view, and reject any statements that disprove it. |
| 21:01.57 | tensai | if you've got proof otherwise, you best out with it. otherwise I'm calling bull. |
| 21:02.29 | eightyeight | remember. the world being flat was widely cited. as was ether and the sun revolving around the world |
| 21:02.30 | sjansen | Obama is slimey. Therefore he is lying. Therefore he must have been a Muslim. (Which, by the way, makes him a horrible person and unworthy of office.) |
| 21:02.46 | unum | eightyeight: the world being flat was not widely cited |
| 21:02.47 | tensai | http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_obama_muslim.htm |
| 21:02.49 | brac | [Is Barack Obama a Muslim? - Urban Legends] |
| 21:02.51 | fozzmoo | I've got no problem with him being a muslim. |
| 21:02.52 | tensai | http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp |
| 21:02.53 | brac | [snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?] |
| 21:02.56 | eightyeight | unum: oh? |
| 21:03.00 | fozzmoo | even if he was still a muslim now! |
| 21:03.03 | unum | and as for the sun revolving around the earth that was only crazy christians |
| 21:03.07 | elg | that they thought the world was flat has been widely cited. :) |
| 21:03.08 | unum | eightyeight: yep |
| 21:03.13 | unum | elg: exactly |
| 21:03.16 | eightyeight | unum: enlighten me |
| 21:03.16 | fozzmoo | My point is that there are parts of Islam that hate you if you are a muslim and then you leave. |
| 21:03.19 | unum | never believe your text books |
| 21:03.46 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: i baptized a muslim on my mission, and he had to move, change is name, and leave his family in fear of his life |
| 21:04.00 | unum | eightyeight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_mythology |
| 21:04.05 | fozzmoo | What is known, cited, etc. is that President Obama attended a wahhabist school in his youth. |
| 21:04.11 | sjansen | If you're going to hate Obama with the same passion people hated Bush, at least wait until he destroys our economy, erodes our civil liberties, appoints incompetents to important positions, lies to us about why we should go to war, and generally steam rolls the democratic process. |
| 21:04.14 | eightyeight | he ended up serving a mission himself in south africa, and last i heard, was in the branch presidency |
| 21:04.35 | unum | fozzmoo: lot's of non-catholics go to catholic schools |
| 21:04.43 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you mean like the first week :) how about those Utah rights trampled today :) |
| 21:04.46 | unum | he went to a church ran school, he did not join the religion |
| 21:04.49 | maquis | why doesn't google translate default to "detect language" instead of defaulting to spanish as the source language? |
| 21:04.56 | fozzmoo | unum: heh heh. You're funny. |
| 21:05.07 | unum | fozzmoo: I don't get it |
| 21:05.09 | goozbach | eightyeight: exactly |
| 21:05.12 | maquis | eightyeight: i've known at least one person who was born muslim and became LDS |
| 21:05.19 | sjansen | So Mormons that go to Catholic school because it is the best quality in the area are therefore Catholic? |
| 21:05.19 | unum | you know where he went to school right? |
| 21:05.28 | maquis | that was well before all the church restrictions, i believe, though... |
| 21:05.52 | maquis | it was before my dad was born, at least |
| 21:06.05 | sjansen | It's not uncommon for non-Catholics to go to Catholic school because their local public schools are so low quality. |
| 21:06.16 | tensai | I sent my son to a methodist pre-school. wish I would have known that made him a methodist. |
| 21:06.17 | Jayce^ | UT loses rights to sell gas/oil leases, under direction of Obama/Salazar today |
| 21:06.24 | Jayce^ | in fact, kills off existing leases |
| 21:06.34 | Jayce^ | that'll help the job growth around here |
| 21:06.43 | unum | I didn't think they could kill off existing ones |
| 21:06.52 | Jayce^ | unum, legally, they shouldn't.. |
| 21:06.55 | Jayce^ | but they did, today |
| 21:07.01 | tensai | maquis: we had a muslim investigator that we were told we couldn't teach |
| 21:07.06 | sjansen | Jayce^: So the right to sell leases is as important as the right to privacy? |
| 21:07.14 | unum | I doubt it will affect much more than eastern utah |
| 21:07.16 | Jayce^ | "Interior Secretary Ken Salazar says he's scrapping the lease of dozens of parcels of federal land for oil and gas drilling in Utah's redrock country." |
| 21:07.32 | Jayce^ | sjansen, the STATES rights are what's important.. because the state should be doing that, not the fed |
| 21:07.40 | unum | the fed owns the land |
| 21:07.43 | Jayce^ | that's what causes the other problems |
| 21:07.48 | jshipley | cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococ ... |
| 21:07.52 | unum | if bush wanted us to control it, he should have given it to us |
| 21:07.54 | jshipley | ... ocococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococo ... |
| 21:08.00 | jshipley | ... cococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococococonconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconcon ... |
| 21:08.01 | tensai | jshipley: couldn't agree more |
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| 21:08.10 | unum | the current drilling that is taking place was done by bush with out state input |
| 21:08.12 | Jayce^ | unum, yeah, kinda like that staircase monument... oh wait, they took it from the state |
| 21:08.12 | jshipley | ... nconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconc ... |
| 21:08.14 | goozbach | jshipley: what is that? |
| 21:08.19 | jshipley | ... onconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconcon ... |
| 21:08.20 | eightyeight | ... |
| 21:08.23 | unum | Jayce^: nope all land was federally owned |
| 21:08.24 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 21:08.25 | jshipley | ... conconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconconco ... |
| 21:08.26 | *** kick/#utah [jshipley!n=jayce@office2.bluehost.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
| 21:08.30 | goozbach | dang |
| 21:08.30 | fozzmoo | Okay. I have read up on this... |
| 21:08.30 | eightyeight | thx |
| 21:08.32 | goozbach | missed |
| 21:08.34 | unum | the state parcel did not become a monument |
| 21:08.40 | unum | it was just surrounded by one |
| 21:08.40 | eggyknap | misses jshipley already |
| 21:08.48 | Jayce^ | unum, state had lots of input |
| 21:08.53 | sjansen | So the right of the Fed to publically do what it wishes with it's own land is equivalent to secretly spying on American citizens in direct violation of law? |
| 21:08.57 | unum | Jayce^: on the current drilling |
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| 21:09.03 | unum | funny I don't remember voting... |
| 21:09.19 | Jayce^ | unum, you seem to think we're a democracy |
| 21:09.30 | jshipley | I'm horribly sorry for that, my experiment with pconsole went awry :) |
| 21:09.37 | unum | Jayce^: fine I don't remember my state rep voting on it |
| 21:09.44 | fozzmoo | I had no idea this tale of the wahhabist school was a story that got away with itself. |
| 21:09.54 | fozzmoo | Yes, he attended a school in Jakarta. |
| 21:10.04 | jshipley | I didn't mean to connect to my pts running irssi, nor did I mean to connect to my pts running pconsole |
| 21:10.06 | fozzmoo | But it was a mixed school attended by people of all faiths. |
| 21:10.15 | eightyeight | why is it a big deal if he was muslim, and now a president? |
| 21:10.16 | jshipley | ~lart for spamming #utah |
| 21:10.16 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on for spamming #utah and turns for spamming #utah into a brick |
| 21:10.26 | eightyeight | or any religion for that matter? |
| 21:10.27 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: LIke I said, I don't care if he was a muslim or not. |
| 21:10.27 | jshipley | ~lart jshipley for spamming #utah |
| 21:10.27 | ibot | puts jshipley into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of jshipley's hair of for spamming #utah |
| 21:10.29 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you seem to think that one bad action allows all the others |
| 21:10.42 | fozzmoo | I was just pointing out that if he was a muslim and left, he'd be in trouble with muslims for leaving, as you pointed out. |
| 21:10.52 | sjansen | No, I just said that the blind hatred of the right is out of place until earned. |
| 21:10.57 | Jayce^ | eightyeight, and you missed his original point, trying to make it a totally different issue :) |
| 21:11.02 | eightyeight | ahh |
| 21:11.19 | Jayce^ | sjansen, but you only assume it's blind.. |
| 21:11.19 | tensai | eightyeight: the reality is some people are biased and there's very little chance he could have been elected as a muslim |
| 21:11.28 | unum | ah, so none of them have drilling currently happenning |
| 21:11.29 | Jayce^ | is an equal opportunity hater |
| 21:11.32 | eightyeight | well, in that case, if he was part of the sect that kills you if you change religions, they're going to have an interesting time getting to him |
| 21:11.33 | unum | they were all sold this year |
| 21:11.42 | sjansen | And that your counter point was wholey inadequate to the blind hatred I've seen from people in Utah since Obama was elected. |
| 21:11.51 | eightyeight | not all muslim sects will kill you though, for leaving the religion |
| 21:11.53 | Jayce^ | unum, on the newest leases.. |
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| 21:12.19 | fozzmoo | Anyway... I apologize for buying into that nonsense. |
| 21:12.22 | eightyeight | in fact, very few will |
| 21:12.49 | fozzmoo | Personally, I didn't have a problem with being told he used to be a muslim but converted to christianity. I was just pointing out that he might have a price on his head for that. |
| 21:12.56 | fozzmoo | But it appears to be nonsense. |
| 21:13.04 | unum | according to the article I found they only cancelled the newest leases |
| 21:13.12 | Jayce^ | right |
| 21:13.26 | Jayce^ | though salazar has stated he wants the shale ban to extend to all drilling.. |
| 21:13.31 | unum | but again I don't remember my state rep voting to sell the leases |
| 21:13.33 | Jayce^ | and Reid is a big proponent of that |
| 21:13.44 | unum | I missed the part where the state was getting any of this money |
| 21:13.54 | unum | so I fail to see how my rights were trampled upon |
| 21:14.07 | Jayce^ | so our two neighboring senators (one now in the cabinet) want it killed |
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| 21:14.09 | unum | bush sold the leases with out my consent, and obama canceled it with out my consent |
| 21:14.17 | Jayce^ | unum, your rights are intrinsically tied to $$ |
| 21:14.20 | unum | I guess it got they got trampled on twice |
| 21:14.32 | Jayce^ | unum, state reps have been pushing the drilling for years |
| 21:14.42 | Jayce^ | it's been one of our largest growing industries in the state |
| 21:15.10 | fozzmoo | Governor wants a "natural gas corridor" along I-15 Idaho to Arizona. |
| 21:15.10 | unum | Jayce^: you mean us reps from utah have been pushing it, or utah reps? |
| 21:15.21 | Jayce^ | both, actually |
| 21:15.44 | unum | there are Utah reps that are for and against it, but they are not allowed to vote on it |
| 21:15.53 | unum | because it's a federal issues, because it's federal land |
| 21:16.07 | unum | so I don't feel like utah's right have been taken |
| 21:16.09 | fozzmoo | unum: And therein lies another big problem. |
| 21:16.16 | Jayce^ | but they can also work on the state lands, except the ban that keeps getting tossed |
| 21:16.21 | unum | fozzmoo: that may be but it's a seperate issue |
| 21:16.54 | Jayce^ | is it? |
| 21:18.04 | Jayce^ | man, we need one of these |
| 21:18.05 | Jayce^ | http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm |
| 21:18.50 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: That's cool. |
| 21:19.08 | unum | Jayce^: well if you want to claim that utah's right are trampled on by the fact that the federal goverment owns most of our land then every president is guilty of that for the last 110 years |
| 21:19.19 | Jayce^ | unum, ABSOLUTELY! |
| 21:19.22 | Jayce^ | glad you agree |
| 21:19.54 | unum | as long as I can say bad things about both bushes, and reagan I'll always agree :) |
| 21:20.16 | Jayce^ | less about reagan overall, but yeah,.. |
| 21:20.43 | Jayce^ | I just tend to disagree on bush ones that I feel are attacking from the wrong angle |
| 21:21.13 | tensai | Jayce^: are there any firearm manufacturers in montana and/or utah? |
| 21:21.27 | Jayce^ | tensai, north american arms is in the building next to me |
| 21:21.33 | JoshH | i thought browning was based here |
| 21:21.39 | Jayce^ | Olympic arms is up in ogden area |
| 21:21.43 | tensai | Jayce^: just curious if it would even be meaningful |
| 21:21.47 | Jayce^ | my AR lower is from west jordan :) |
| 21:21.50 | Jayce^ | just starting there :) |
| 21:21.58 | Jayce^ | tensai, yah, I understand, but there is a lot.. |
| 21:22.07 | Jayce^ | most main guns start as garage businesses.. |
| 21:22.17 | Jayce^ | EDM arms is in hurricane now |
| 21:23.10 | Jayce^ | also, as a state, in doing that, it incentivizes those businesses to move there |
| 21:23.48 | Jayce^ | because some companies, such as those in illinios, CA and others, have problems now with the laws in their own states |
| 21:25.10 | unum | browning was an early convert to the church. he made the repeating pistols that joseph smith had with him at carthage jail |
| 21:25.14 | elg | ~whack a mole |
| 21:25.14 | ibot | ACTION whacks a mole upside the head. |
| 21:25.24 | unum | he was then instructed to settle ogden by brigham young |
| 21:25.44 | Jayce^ | yup, a lot of his family still lives up in the blackfoot area |
| 21:25.49 | Jayce^ | knew a few of them |
| 21:25.51 | eightyeight | findlay's brother wrote the script to a movie about ogden |
| 21:25.54 | eightyeight | it's pretty good, actually |
| 21:26.08 | eightyeight | s/script/story/ |
| 21:27.25 | eightyeight | http://www.amazon.com/Ogden-Junction-City-West/dp/B00183HG46 is it |
| 21:28.27 | eightyeight | talks about brigham young's envolvement with the city, the railroad controversy with corrine, the mormon influence, underground tunnels on 25th street, etc |
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| 21:29.27 | ibot | kisses a girl |
| 21:30.08 | tensai | shhhh. he's here now. |
| 21:32.16 | elg | tensai: http://lascrucesago.org/krwg.mp3 |
| 21:32.29 | unum | looks like browning is owned by a belgium company |
| 21:32.43 | elg | those waffles |
| 21:33.10 | tensai | waffles, chocolate and beer. what more could you need? |
| 21:33.16 | unum | guns |
| 21:33.21 | elg | can anyone tell me how to tell if a linux box has bluetooth? i see some bluetooth stuff in dmesg and stuff but i'm not sure if that means there's bluetooth |
| 21:33.27 | tensai | unum: apparently :) |
| 21:34.36 | tensai | elg: when I plug in my bluetooth adapter, dmesg says "Bluetooth: HCI USB driver ver 2.9" |
| 21:34.45 | eightyeight | elg: hwinfo should tell you i would think |
| 21:35.27 | elg | here's what i see |
| 21:35.28 | elg | http://pastebin.ca/1327468 |
| 21:39.08 | jshipley | I seem to remember that somebody here was involved in xmms2 development. Do I remember correctly? |
| 21:39.49 | elg | no, this is the xmms mockery channel |
| 21:40.05 | findlay | ~xmms elg |
| 21:40.27 | elg | they always have an entertaining website, at least. http://xmms.org/ |
| 21:40.28 | brac | [woop woop xmms.org woop woop] |
| 21:46.15 | Tene_ | elg: you wanting to find out if there's bt hardware? |
| 21:46.25 | elg | righto |
| 21:46.39 | elg | without learning all the intricacies of bluetooth in linux first |
| 21:46.53 | elg | because that would be devastating, to learn all that stuff and find out the box doesn't have bluetooth |
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| 21:48.28 | goozbach | anyone here know puppet? |
| 21:51.44 | undertakingyou | don't tell me that this is another political discussion. |
| 21:51.49 | sjansen | goozbach: It's on my todo list, and I know a little Ruby. ;-) |
| 21:52.26 | tensai | goozbach: I use it a bit. 10 servers or so. |
| 21:52.31 | tensai | elg: hwinfo --bluetooth |
| 21:52.39 | tensai | be careful with hwinfo though. it just killed my network. |
| 21:54.12 | goozbach | tensai: here's the paste of what I'm trying to do http://pastebin.com/m314e9cc0 |
| 21:54.17 | goozbach | I want to change the source of my file resource based on the fqdn facter varible |
| 21:54.24 | goozbach | how do I do this? |
| 21:54.28 | tensai | elg: or install bluez and run hciconfig -a |
| 21:55.27 | Tene_ | elg: lsusb and lspci are nice |
| 22:02.59 | tensai | goozbach: seems right. I've yet to try something like that. is $fqdn a valid variable? |
| 22:03.18 | goozbach | tensai: figured it out |
| 22:03.22 | goozbach | broken client cert |
| 22:03.30 | tensai | ah |
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| 22:08.48 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:08.50 | eightyeight | xmms |
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| 22:09.21 | eightyeight | xmms is dead and xmms2 has to be the worst daemone developed |
| 22:09.42 | eightyeight | but, as elg poited out, they make entertaining web sites. :) |
| 22:21.44 | sjansen | Huh, Josh Coates is teaching at BYU now. |
| 22:23.22 | elg | what's he teaching? |
| 22:25.14 | sjansen | Dunno. LinkedIn just let me know he'd updated his profile. Too lazy to try find out more. |
| 22:39.46 | jshipley | xmms2 has been working pretty well for me. I haven't been using it for long, but it does what I need it to |
| 22:39.57 | jshipley | I disliked it at first, but it's sort of growing on me. |
| 22:40.24 | maquis | i've never tried it... installed it, but just never really got the idea behind it |
| 22:41.38 | jshipley | has anybody tried mpd? |
| 22:41.43 | eightyeight | heh. dtv move back to june 12th |
| 22:41.58 | JoshH | i've used banshee since distros dropped xmms, and never tried anything else since banshee works well enough |
| 22:42.04 | JoshH | i think i launched amarok once |
| 22:42.08 | JoshH | but closed it after a few seconds |
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| 22:42.41 | eightyeight | maquis: xmms2 is just a daemon that binds to a port for the stream. you then use any client you like to connect to it |
| 22:43.10 | eightyeight | i like banshee. especially with its last.fm integration |
| 22:43.31 | eightyeight | pokes synic |
| 22:45.06 | jshipley | I used amarok and rhythmbox for a while, but I kind of wanted something simpler |
| 22:45.20 | smcquay | cmus |
| 22:45.21 | jshipley | I switched to mplayer for a while, but then tried xmms2 |
| 22:46.14 | smcquay | sleek, elegant, curses |
| 22:46.20 | eightyeight | i've never cared much for rhythmbox. amarok is hard to beat. i still use that on occasion |
| 22:46.50 | Heartsbane | Amarok is nice but banshee is getting there |
| 22:46.58 | jshipley | can you have a gui client for cmus? |
| 22:47.20 | smcquay | :) just my xterm |
| 22:47.43 | smcquay | but, as an added bonus, you can run it in screen (!) |
| 22:47.55 | eightyeight | behind an ssh server? |
| 22:48.44 | smcquay | how do you mean, eightyeight? |
| 22:48.55 | jshipley | cmus sounds exactly like something I was looking for, but it doesn't look like it would be able to do what I do now with xmms2 |
| 22:49.15 | eightyeight | well, if i'm going to run it behind screen, i'll want it on a remote ssh server, but how do you pump the audio through the ssh connection? |
| 22:49.57 | eightyeight | jshipley: have you looked at icecast? |
| 22:53.18 | jshipley | no, it looks interesting though |
| 22:54.09 | smcquay | ah, no, the audio still goes on locally (on the machine running cmus) |
| 22:56.25 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 22:57.00 | eightyeight | jshipley: imo, icecast is a bit more mature than xmms2. at least it is still receiving regular updates. :) |
| 22:57.00 | jshipley | does icecast work with .wma? |
| 22:57.23 | eightyeight | dunno |
| 23:02.28 | jshipley | the only thing I don't really like about xmms2 is that the playlist handling (shuffling, sorting, creating, etc) seems really sluggish |
| 23:04.39 | tensai | eightyeight: link to dtv move? last I knew legislation was still pending. |
| 23:04.43 | tensai | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-352 |
| 23:05.21 | eightyeight | tensai: http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/house-delays-di.html |
| 23:06.09 | tensai | nuts. you're right. |
| 23:06.29 | tensai | stupid john d rockefeller |
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| 23:14.44 | sjansen | Is TV really so important that the potential down sides of the delay are worth it? |
| 23:15.14 | Tene_ | I've got a friend who put together a really nice curses-based frontend for xmms2 |
| 23:15.50 | Tene_ | finds link |
| 23:16.17 | Tene_ | http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/software/cluck.html |
| 23:16.18 | brac | [Cluck - A TUI Client For XMMS2] |
| 23:17.19 | tensai | sjansen: no |
| 23:17.53 | tensai | this quote seems to sum it up best |
| 23:17.57 | tensai | "the notion that delay will do nothing to suddenly inspire a Nielsen-estimated 6 million households to do in the next four months what they haven't bothered to do for the past three years" |
| 23:18.33 | tensai | although that's not true, since the converter boxes have only been out for a year |
| 23:19.50 | levi | The converter boxes have only been around for a year, but digital tuners have been available in new TVs for quite a while. |
| 23:20.15 | unum | I think I mentioned in here that a friend told me she was going to get bunny ears so she can't watch basic cable on her older tv |
| 23:20.29 | unum | I sent her the link for the coupon, but it hasn't showed up yet |
| 23:20.36 | unum | probably because they are out of money |
| 23:21.26 | levi | It takes a while for them to show up even when they have money. |
| 23:22.47 | tensai | levi: that's true, although ostensibly they're trying to help the poor old grandma on fixed income who probably can't afford a new tv |
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| 23:25.48 | tensai | matheson voted in favor, for anybody in his district who wants to send him a nastygram |
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| 23:31.47 | levi | Heh, just saw Glenn Beck's rant about Mexicans possibly wanting to retake Texas and Californa, and ramblings about a lifeboat. |
| 23:32.04 | eightyeight | oh brother |
| 23:32.11 | JoshH | that guy is such an idiot |
| 23:32.46 | eightyeight | haven't they pretty much taken it over anyway? los angeles at least. :) |
| 23:32.54 | JoshH | they've taken over the whole southwest |
| 23:32.58 | JoshH | and some areas beyond |
| 23:33.01 | levi | Certainly there could be border issues if Mexico becomes a 'failed state', but... geez, could you maybe be coherent when talking about it? |
| 23:33.08 | JoshH | and look, the world still turns and america is still great |
| 23:33.50 | JoshH | i don't get the culture warrior types who flip out whenever they see a store with a sign in spanish |
| 23:34.07 | eightyeight | what was that xkcd cartoon? |
| 23:35.03 | sjansen | Our country survived the arrival of immigrants that only spoke Italian, German, Norwegian, etc. |
| 23:35.07 | levi | I don't get the "cuture warrior" types at all. |
| 23:35.11 | levi | Er, culture. |
| 23:35.14 | JoshH | heh, true |
| 23:35.21 | sjansen | But Spanish is different. Spanish speakers have brown skin. They are a threat. |
| 23:35.35 | JoshH | personally i like having america be a huge mix of languages and traditions |
| 23:35.40 | levi | sjansen: People felt the same about those other immigrants when they first arrived. |
| 23:35.42 | JoshH | i don't want the whole country to be like american fork |
| 23:36.06 | sjansen | I for one welcome the arrival of more Indian and Thai restaurants. |
| 23:36.11 | levi | It takes a few generations for integration to happen. |
| 23:36.13 | levi | sjansen: Amen! |
| 23:36.17 | eightyeight | "english is our native tongue. if they come over, they should learn the language!" |
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| 23:36.38 | eightyeight | "if you go to france, you don't expect the people to speak english to you!" |
| 23:36.48 | sjansen | Because we want to be like the French. |
| 23:36.51 | unum | yes, yes I do |
| 23:37.06 | unum | of course the mexicans were here first... |
| 23:37.18 | sjansen | Let's list everything the French do better: |
| 23:37.33 | JoshH | i'd rather be like the dutch |
| 23:37.48 | sjansen | 1) French employment laws make it practically impossible for anyone under 35 to get permanent employment. |
| 23:37.52 | JoshH | or a mix between americans, canadians, and dutch |
| 23:38.53 | sjansen | 2) The entire state of France practically shuts down for a month during the summer as everyone goes on vacation, resulting in a sharp increase in mortality for the poor and old. |
| 23:39.03 | sjansen | 3) The Marginot line. |
| 23:39.04 | unum | 3) fight the british |
| 23:39.08 | JoshH | i do wish we had their vacation policy |
| 23:39.17 | JoshH | and european style maternity/paternity leave |
| 23:39.22 | eightyeight | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/national_language.jpg |
| 23:39.24 | eightyeight | there it is |
| 23:39.40 | eightyeight | gads. took long enough to find it |
| 23:39.43 | sjansen | 4) Frequent disruption by striking unions demanding unearned benefits. |
| 23:39.46 | JoshH | we value productivity over quality of life |
| 23:41.27 | eightyeight | why are we talking about the french? |
| 23:42.06 | sjansen | Because France's Don Quixote like determination to preserve their language was cited as a good thing. |
| 23:42.15 | sjansen | Which reminds me: |
| 23:42.55 | eightyeight | so, are you saying you don't care if the english language is lost? |
| 23:43.20 | sjansen | 5) France has had a significantly harder time integrating Muslim immigrants peacefully. For some reason respecting their heritage works better than forcing them to become cookie cutter clones. |
| 23:43.45 | sjansen | If the English language dies, it won't be Spanish that killed it. |
| 23:43.45 | Sargun | We need to Vx all Asia |
| 23:44.06 | eightyeight | not that the english language is going anywhere |
| 23:44.11 | JoshH | why do they need to integrate the muslims at all? |
| 23:44.30 | JoshH | the whole idea that immigrants must assimilate into the primary culture is dumb |
| 23:44.36 | sjansen | By the second generation most immigrant prefer English. By the third generation, most don't even know the language of their grandparents. |
| 23:44.44 | JoshH | let the muslims do what they want, as long as they obey the law and pay taxes |
| 23:46.10 | eightyeight | sjansen: i'd agree with that |
| 23:46.21 | JoshH | sjansen: exactly, most children of immigrants are bilingual, if not english only. the culture warrior morons just hate the idea of spanish being on any signs or any official literature |
| 23:46.24 | elg | really, gnome? there's no way in your limited worldview to have the display go to sleep after 10 minutes and have the screen lock after an hour? |
| 23:46.48 | sjansen | The only thing we have to fear is becoming so insular that the Chinese become the only world power, forcing our grandchildren to waste there time learning to use Chinese computer keyboards. |
| 23:47.14 | maquis | sjansen: chinese keyboards really aren't that bad... |
| 23:47.16 | maquis | :) |
| 23:47.23 | jshipley | elg: I think that xfce does that... come to think of it, xfce also supports wallpapers on dual monitors a lot better |
| 23:47.33 | JoshH | yes, it does |
| 23:47.46 | maquis | most of the time, they use qwerty keyboards and spell stuff out phonetically, and the computer gives them options |
| 23:47.56 | maquis | there's anothre way to do it, but those are pretty nasty |
| 23:48.01 | JoshH | maquis: quit being an anti-american |
| 23:48.11 | sjansen | elg: See gnome-screensaver > lock_dely in gconf. |
| 23:48.16 | maquis | JoshH: since when was i being anti-american? |
| 23:48.28 | elg | maquis: since the day you joined the maquis! |
| 23:48.44 | elg | oh wait, fantasy/reality line blurred again |
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| 23:48.54 | maquis | what line? |
| 23:50.34 | sjansen | elg: Any other unfounded accusation against GNOME you'd like me to swat down? |
| 23:50.54 | levi | sjansen: GNOME is teh suxxorz. |
| 23:51.06 | levi | sjansen: And it's un-American! |
| 23:51.24 | sjansen | levi: I bow before your superior arguments. |
| 23:51.53 | levi | You asked for unfounded accusations, you got 'em. :) |
| 23:52.41 | sjansen | No, you're right. I've seen the light. I'm installing Windows as we type. |
| 23:53.02 | eightyeight | there's more options to gnome other than windows, you poor misguided soul |
| 23:53.21 | levi | sjansen: Make sure it's Windows 7. |
| 23:53.24 | elg | sjansen: thanks for the tip. my founded accusation stands |
| 23:53.52 | elg | i dare you to find a way to set that up without hacking the gnome registry |
| 23:54.39 | sjansen | elg: You are familiar with gconf-editor and gconftool-2, right? |
| 23:55.08 | elg | yes, those are the tools you use to hack the gnome registry |
| 23:55.16 | elg | maybe you do it with a rusty fork in a usb port |
| 23:55.20 | elg | but i use gconf-editor |
| 23:55.21 | sjansen | It is by design that power users can use a single tool to tweak settings, and the rest of us that don't care don't have to fight our way throw a maze of 3 bazillion settings. |
| 23:55.22 | eightyeight | hmmm... i want to execute a function in psql, and see the output, without updating the table. can i do this? |
| 23:56.52 | Tene_ | eightyeight: explain more |
| 23:57.04 | Tene_ | are you saying that you want to execute a delete or update statement? |
| 23:57.16 | eightyeight | no |
| 23:57.20 | eightyeight | more like an echo |
| 23:57.31 | sjansen | I'd hardly call it "hacking the registry". First of all, it's implementation is quite different. Second of all, it is the officially endorsed, by design solution and hardly challenging to use. |
| 23:57.34 | Tene_ | What function are you wanting to execute? |
| 23:57.40 | eightyeight | i just want to run 'crypt("password", salt)', and see what is returned |
| 23:58.21 | sjansen | So you what the Postgresql equivalent of what in Oracle would be "select crypt('foo', 'bar') from dual;" |
| 23:58.23 | sjansen | ? |
| 23:59.03 | eightyeight | i'm not familiar with oracle |
| 23:59.08 | Tene_ | eightyeight: just select crypt('password', 'salt'); |
| 23:59.18 | sjansen | Hacking gconf would be trying to edit the XML files by hand while gconfd is running. |
