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| 00:12.34 | levi | Tene: Well, it may be *good* in their minds, but having a bunch of banks fail (not to mention Ford, GM, and Chrysler) will necessarily mean a bunch of jobs disappearing. |
| 00:13.38 | levi | tensai: Austrians, as in the residents of Austria, are not nearly as insane as the economic school named after their fine country. :) |
| 00:14.45 | levi | RyanE: The FDIC is probably one of those nasty government programs that the Austrians would eliminate. If the bank can't earn your trust without government help, you shouldn't put your money in it! |
| 00:16.01 | Tene | I'm still very suspicious of the idea of "bailout"s. Even the name "bailout" seems to suggest "Just pay off these debts for us, and then we'll be fine. There's no problem with how we run our business, there's just this one-time problem that we need to throw money at." |
| 00:19.34 | levi | Well, these 'bailouts' are really just really large loans from the government. |
| 00:20.54 | levi | In some situations, a company might be unable to get a loan for reasons largely unrelated to their performance. |
| 00:26.40 | levi | Anyway, some bailouts in the past have been successful and earned the government a profit. |
| 00:26.48 | Tene | Interesting. |
| 00:27.34 | levi | http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/21/business/NA-US-Financial-Rescues-List.php |
| 00:27.35 | brac | [List of US government bailouts in past century - International Herald Tribune] |
| 00:32.30 | harleypig | tensai: that's a scary pic ... |
| 00:39.34 | Supaplex | humm.. why does the freezer trick sometimes work on bad harddisks? |
| 00:39.48 | levi | Wow, $20 million for "urgent refugee and migrations needs" to Gaza. |
| 00:40.04 | levi | I wonder what Israel thinks of that. |
| 00:40.21 | harleypig | Supaplex: cause the drive isn't really as bad as you think sometimes? |
| 00:40.23 | harleypig | ducks |
| 00:40.43 | Supaplex | heh okay.. |
| 00:41.04 | Sargun_Screen | levi: that they should have taken them off the map when they had a chance |
| 00:41.09 | harleypig | I found a new job! |
| 00:41.14 | harleypig | I'm going to be a chipendale dancer |
| 00:41.58 | neybar | tears eyes out |
| 00:42.16 | Supaplex | snags neybar's eyes and mails them to harleypig |
| 00:42.40 | harleypig | puts neybar's eyes in his collection |
| 00:42.45 | neybar | weeps |
| 00:43.45 | neybar | I'm fairly certain you already have a pair of my eyes anyway. I'm sure I've torn them out some time before in the last 5 years or so that I've know you harleypig :) |
| 00:44.04 | harleypig | :D I'm collecting the whole set! |
| 00:44.18 | neybar | gotta catch them all! |
| 00:44.27 | Sargun_Screen | Anyone here played with OpenCL/CUDA? |
| 00:44.35 | Supaplex | offers neybar a refill of "Brain Bleach(TM)" |
| 00:45.59 | levi | So what do you guys think of the Michael Phelps bong hit? |
| 00:47.18 | Sargun_Screen | Who cares? |
| 00:47.43 | neybar | hadn't heard about it |
| 00:47.46 | Sargun_Screen | I for one welcome our bong-hitting, swimming overlords. |
| 00:48.16 | high_roller | who knew that dolphins like to hit the bong? |
| 00:51.28 | Supaplex | dolphins apparently? |
| 00:52.36 | goozbach | elg: got your ears on? |
| 00:52.46 | elg | well that depends |
| 00:52.53 | elg | do i want to have them on? |
| 00:53.36 | levi | Isn't that trucker CB radio slang? |
| 00:54.16 | goozbach | i have a bread related question. you are the resident bread geek |
| 00:54.25 | goozbach | ?no? |
| 00:54.52 | elg | absotronic |
| 00:56.30 | elg | ask away |
| 00:56.48 | goozbach | i have a yeast bread (sponge?) i made last night. it has been in my fridge since then. what kind of performance am i going to get out of it if i hold off until tomorrow to mix and bake it? |
| 00:57.10 | elg | how long was it out before it went into cold storage? |
| 00:57.43 | goozbach | i guess my question is what is the expected life of a sponge? |
| 00:57.48 | goozbach | minutes |
| 00:57.57 | elg | it'll be fine. in fact, it'll be awesome |
| 00:58.14 | elg | a sponge like that will usually last a week or so |
| 00:58.15 | elg | maybe two |
| 00:58.18 | elg | how much yeast? |
| 00:58.26 | goozbach | i mixed the yeast, flour and water then right into the fridge |
| 00:59.07 | goozbach | 1/4 tsp yeast, 10oz water, 1tbsp honey |
| 00:59.27 | goozbach | just ove a cup of bread flour |
| 00:59.41 | elg | should be fine |
| 00:59.46 | elg | but put the rest of the flour in now |
| 01:00.01 | elg | not because it won't work otherwise, but because it'll taste better if you do |
| 01:00.59 | goozbach | humm... all the flour, salt, and the rest of the yeasy now? |
| 01:01.25 | elg | how much yeast were you planning on? and how much time do you have on baking day? |
| 01:01.56 | goozbach | well the remainder of the packet i guess 2 tsp |
| 01:02.19 | goozbach | i planned baking tomorrow cause i am working from home |
| 01:02.21 | elg | all the flour, but not necessarily the salt and yeast. however mixing salt and yeast into a dough is a royal pain, so i'd just add them too |
| 01:02.40 | elg | should be fine. if you put all the yeast in it might not last 2 weeks, but it'll last 2 days |
| 01:04.00 | goozbach | i should mix now and put my (autolyse?) into the fridge overnight? |
| 01:04.16 | levi | Bread ingredients in fridge = long, slow fermentation = good flavor! |
| 01:04.45 | goozbach | good to know |
| 01:05.02 | goozbach | this is only my third loaf |
| 01:05.22 | levi | In contrast, my wife got a recipe for 1-hour bread, which goes from raw ingredients to baked in 1 hour. It's very, very bland. |
| 01:05.36 | goozbach | the first attempt turned into a taffy pull |
| 01:06.17 | goozbach | the second wa just a touch too dry and didnt' fully spring in the oven. |
| 01:07.12 | goozbach | once i get the hang of yeast breads i wanna try sourdough |
| 01:07.51 | goozbach | and levi, ye it's CB slang |
| 01:20.56 | elg | goozbach: let me know how it goes |
| 02:08.31 | high_roller | gets loaded up on mt dew and taco bell and prepares to write a paper on ethics |
| 02:09.30 | synic | where can I get a usb disk like this: http://www.exaile.org/usbdisk.jpg |
| 02:09.32 | synic | ? |
| 02:10.20 | synic | I have one in my hand, but the markings on it are not googlable |
| 02:10.46 | synic | it's 2GB, and nearly indestructable when folded up, perfect for a keychain |
| 02:10.59 | synic | .. .but it's not mine :P |
| 02:11.47 | Supaplex | try googling gumstick usb flash |
| 02:12.28 | Supaplex | that's what I call them. *shrug* |
| 02:13.45 | synic | k |
| 02:14.45 | RyanE | I dunno, but I got a 'pqi' (company name) one that's smaller, draws back in like that, and worked great until it stopped snapping into place... |
| 02:15.20 | synic | yeah, gumstick usb flash is a no go |
| 02:15.36 | RyanE | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820141250 |
| 02:15.42 | RyanE | looks like it's discontinued, though. |
| 02:16.19 | RyanE | but the 4g version is <$10... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820141448 |
| 02:16.55 | synic | is the case metal? |
| 02:17.31 | RyanE | It is, but doesn't go all the way around. It's just a 3/4 way wrap around the front. |
| 02:18.13 | RyanE | the back has a big slide thumb grip thing to push out the center. |
| 02:18.24 | RyanE | the thing is really thin and small. |
| 02:19.20 | RyanE | oh, and even though mine is mechanically broken (doesn't stay 'in'), the flash drive still works fine. |
| 02:19.31 | synic | hrmm |
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| 02:54.40 | maquis | "i'm blue, da bu di, da bu dai, di da bu di, da bu dai, di da bu di da bu dai..." |
| 02:55.17 | maquis | "blue his house with a blue little window and a blue corvette.." |
| 02:57.15 | maquis | is bored |
| 03:01.52 | fozzmoo | maquis: You on FaceSplat? |
| 03:12.28 | goozbach | just got my w2 |
| 03:12.38 | goozbach | i want the fairtax |
| 03:12.49 | goozbach | where is the fairtax? |
| 03:14.07 | maquis | fozzmoo: whazzat? |
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| 03:23.36 | levi | maquis: That song is so 7 or 8 years ago. :) |
| 03:24.02 | maquis | levi: sure... but it was playing on my itunes... |
| 03:24.04 | maquis | and i was bored |
| 03:24.37 | maquis | i can put much more embarassing music that plays on my computer.... but i think i'll hold off for now |
| 03:30.54 | levi | maquis: That's probably a good idea. :) |
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| 03:39.32 | elg | i wonder if when reducing a sauce (or a dulce de leche), it evaporates faster or slower if you stir |
| 03:40.11 | elg | obviously when you stir you see a lot of steam go, so it's faster. but it also cools down, and so is it faster in the long run? |
| 03:41.05 | goozbach | ok my bread is in the fridge |
| 03:41.11 | goozbach | I guess my recipie is off |
| 03:41.16 | goozbach | it ended up very dry |
| 03:41.21 | goozbach | I had to add additional water |
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| 04:05.36 | fozzmoo | maquis: I was alluding to Facebook. |
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| 05:03.11 | eightyeight | anyone going to take debian lenny for a spin, if you haven't already? |
| 05:03.40 | eightyeight | looks like the release date is for valentine's day |
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| 05:15.42 | Supaplex | wow. it'll come before my predection. I was thinking early march. :) |
| 05:16.04 | Supaplex | eightyeight: I have it running on my netbook, and a few new installed servers |
| 05:17.19 | eightyeight | i guessed my birthday |
| 05:18.52 | eightyeight | i'll be switching out my main server from ubuntu to debian soon |
| 05:19.29 | eightyeight | it'll be nice to have a clean istall. it's been upgraded since ubuntu 5.10. :) |
| 05:37.17 | levi | I haven't done a new debian install in some crazy long number of years. |
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| 05:46.20 | levi | I'm not sure how I'd figure out when this system was installed. |
| 05:46.28 | elg | goozbach: what was the recipe? |
| 05:50.47 | levi | installer.log is timestamped Jan 12 2001 |
| 05:59.44 | elg | goozbach: and how do you measure the flour? by weight or by volume? |
| 06:00.00 | elg | in any case, never be afraid to adjust as needed. go by feel |
| 06:00.31 | elg | soft, supple, not gooey. it will stick to your hands if you give it a chance. |
| 06:01.47 | Sargun | elg, what if you beat the crap out of it |
| 06:01.48 | Sargun | and kill it |
| 06:02.04 | elg | then it may be dead |
| 06:02.55 | Supaplex | ~kill flour |
| 06:03.17 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited neutron gun at flour |
| 06:10.59 | levi | Man, I'm kind of nervous about challenging this stupid intro to Linux class. |
| 06:12.27 | levi | I should be able to pass such a class no problem, but I have no idea what's going to be on the challenge test. |
| 06:13.09 | Supaplex | they're going to ask you a few questions. they want you to answer them. ;) |
| 06:16.51 | Supaplex | http://people.freebsd.org/~ssouhlal/stuff/1219898786125.gif spooky kitty |
| 06:35.55 | RyanE | levi: what's the worst that can happen? You have to take the class? |
| 06:43.10 | levi | Well, that would mean I don't get to graduate this semeste.r |
| 07:02.05 | Sargun | levi, does that matter? |
| 07:13.02 | levi | Hell yeah. I want to be done. |
| 07:13.57 | Sargun | I think you deeply, secretly love school |
| 07:14.54 | levi | I deeply and not so secretly love education. Not so much this going to school at night and taking lame classes stuff. |
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| 15:50.38 | harleypig | I'm giving free lessons on how to screw up a job interview. |
| 15:51.25 | jlp_work | step 1, when the interviewer introduces him/herself to you, give him/her a big hug |
| 15:51.46 | harleypig | Ask him if he wants to see your thong ... |
| 15:53.14 | harleypig | Actually, the best way to screw up an interview for a perl job is to forget that %foo returns the key values pairs in a scalar array, not the bucket. |
| 15:54.42 | goozbach | harleypig: thongs were a topic on dear abby a couple of days ago |
| 15:54.58 | goozbach | here's the inital question: http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/?uc_full_date=20081121 |
| 15:55.00 | brac | [Dear Abby on uExpress] |
| 15:55.26 | goozbach | first section of responses: http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/?uc_full_date=20090128 |
| 15:55.27 | brac | [Dear Abby on uExpress] |
| 15:55.32 | goozbach | second section of responses |
| 15:55.40 | goozbach | http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/?uc_full_date=20090129 |
| 15:55.41 | brac | [Dear Abby on uExpress] |
| 15:57.02 | harleypig | ?! Evil is in the eye of the beholder?! |
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| 16:00.53 | harleypig | moral ambiguity is amoral! |
| 16:01.39 | tensai | would that make amoral ambiguity moral? |
| 16:02.16 | harleypig | ummm ... It's too early to think of a smart ass answer to that. |
| 16:03.03 | tensai | I would accept "shut up wesley" |
| 16:03.31 | harleypig | "Number One, show Wesley the airlock" |
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| 16:14.58 | ^Migs^ | http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c398/happypancake/belair.jpg |
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| 17:01.16 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills. |
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| 17:17.08 | RyanE | sjansen: are you sure? I thought Girls just wanna have fun. |
| 17:17.46 | sjansen | Sure, girls just want to have fun. But how can they have fun with a guy with no skills? |
| 17:18.56 | sjansen | Nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... |
| 17:19.48 | tensai | bonus points for performing them simultaneously |
| 17:23.23 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txqiwrbYGrs |
| 17:27.19 | ^Migs^ | poor kid |
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| 18:16.40 | goozbach | wow, poor kid indeed. |
| 18:16.46 | goozbach | "is this going to be forever?" |
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| 19:24.35 | sjansen | http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705282238,00.html |
| 19:24.36 | brac | [Deseret News | My view: Keep adult entertainment from kids] |
| 19:25.14 | sjansen | Jack Thompson claims he has a bill and a sponsor in Utah. |
| 19:26.18 | sjansen | http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/01/17/live-blog-jack-thompson-tells-utah-conservative-group-plans-legislate-games |
| 19:26.51 | JoshH | ugh, it's the eagle forum |
| 19:26.57 | JoshH | sighs |
| 19:28.06 | JoshH | of course buttars is mentioned |
| 19:28.47 | JoshH | i still can't believe buttars got reelected |
| 19:29.01 | JoshH | i didn't realize what kind of people/voters were in WJ until that happened |
| 19:37.17 | elg | argh |
| 19:37.28 | elg | my dovecot auth configuration which has been working for years just stopped working out of the blue |
| 19:37.37 | elg | i have no idea why |
| 19:37.46 | elg | and my wife is begging for access to her email :( |
| 19:38.27 | high_roller | tell her they have treatment options for email addiction |
| 19:39.30 | Sargun | shoot her with adrenaline, I've heard it can work wonders |
| 19:47.33 | ^Migs^ | http://i.gizmodo.com/5142331/gsat-the-geek-social-aptitude-test |
| 20:07.02 | elg | well it was something to do with login method negotiation |
| 20:07.17 | elg | changing the available methods solved the problem |
| 20:15.16 | sjansen | ^Migs^: I doubt the accuracy of that test. I only scored an 8. I'm pretty sure I should score at least a 25/50. |
| 20:15.37 | ^Migs^ | I only scored 12 |
| 20:16.10 | ^Migs^ | I think just the fact you WANT to score higher means you should get an instant 5 or so points |
| 20:16.53 | goozbach | yeah, the test is broken |
| 20:16.58 | goozbach | I scored an 11 |
| 20:17.11 | goozbach | and look at me, I'm better than sjansen |
| 20:17.20 | ^Migs^ | how am I scoring higher than all you guys? |
| 20:17.33 | goozbach | ^Migs^: you're inept |
| 20:17.34 | ^Migs^ | you're right, that doesn't make sense. The test is flawed somehow. |
| 20:18.20 | levi | Huh, why would the Ogden Standard Examiner follow me on twitter? Just a vain attempt to get me to follow them? |
| 20:18.45 | sjansen | Oh man, I want a "Can't sleep, clowns will eat me" shirt. |
| 20:20.46 | elg | that would tip off the clowns that you know about them. |
| 20:21.49 | ^Migs^ | yeah, they followed me too |
| 20:21.59 | ^Migs^ | I was like, WTF...BLOCKED! |
| 20:22.17 | eightyeight | http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ |
| 20:22.18 | brac | [Why Git is Better Than X] |
| 20:22.28 | ^Migs^ | for a minute, though, I was naively thinking they liked what I was saying |
| 20:42.57 | RyanE | 14-ish. I had to fudge on a few... I mean, really, who still plays Settlers? :) |
| 20:54.41 | levi | Hmm, apparently we're all being deceived by the malicious government. |
| 20:56.07 | levi | And the only way to get out of a bad situation is to do exactly the opposite of what got you in. Anything else would be ILLOGICAL. |
| 20:57.08 | sjansen | rushes outside to torch cars and loot TVs |
| 20:57.46 | levi | If you fall out of an airplane, by no means should you pull the release cord on your parachute. Does the parachute have anything to do with why you fell out? NO! So fiddling around with the parachute is illogical! |
| 20:59.11 | sjansen | I know the answer to this one! Ban airplanes! |
| 20:59.56 | sjansen | Wait, no... Blame the {Republicans,Democrats} for inventing airplanes! |
| 20:59.58 | levi | Actually, I think the solution is to just keep falling. You'll stop soon enough, and then it'll never happen again! |
| 21:00.42 | levi | Falling is a completely natural process. Any pain involved is due to the extreme height, which is an unnatural abberation caused by going against the laws of nature! |
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| 21:03.26 | Tene_ | Reversed stupidity is not intelligence. It's a pretty significant mistake to think that it is. |
| 21:04.08 | Tene_ | http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/ -- pretty cool |
| 21:08.50 | sjansen | s/a pretty significant mistake/stupid/ |
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| 21:25.06 | tensai | ~paint sjansen |
| 21:25.06 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on sjansen |
| 21:25.56 | sjansen | ~smear tensai |
| 21:36.55 | Tene_ | "When a gigantic python gets loose on a private reserve the FBI must release an equally large boa to track and capture it as group of wealthy big game hunters try to bag the python as a trophy themselves." -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412523/ |
| 21:36.56 | brac | [Boa vs. Python (2004) (V)] |
| 21:37.44 | levi | Heh, starring David Hewlett. |
| 21:39.04 | sjansen | ~punish Tene_ |
| 21:39.05 | ibot | ACTION forces Tene_ to install and use Windows |
| 21:41.45 | tensai | reminds me of the simpsons episode where they released snakes to eat the lizards bart introduced |
| 21:41.51 | tensai | http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_the_Mother |
| 21:44.19 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
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| 21:44.56 | ^Migs^ | didn't that end on a close-up of a koala? |
| 21:48.49 | tensai | ^Migs^: you're thinking of the one where they release a bullfrog in australia |
| 21:49.22 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 21:49.24 | ^Migs^ | not the same one? |
| 21:49.28 | tensai | different |
| 21:49.30 | ^Migs^ | k |
| 21:49.34 | ^Migs^ | that was also funny, though |
| 21:49.39 | tensai | definitely |
| 21:50.34 | ^Migs^ | I can't believe Phil Hartman has been gone over 10 years |
| 21:52.15 | RyanE | no more Troy McClure. |
| 21:52.59 | RyanE | You might remember me from such educational films as "Lead Paint: Delicious But Deadly"... |
| 22:05.12 | Sargun | who is this phil guy |
| 22:09.45 | sjansen | Phil Windley? phil801? Punxsutawney Phil? |
| 22:17.33 | RyanE | Regis Philbin? |
| 22:18.40 | goozbach | phil (bam's dad) |
| 22:18.58 | goozbach | ryan philippe? |
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