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| 15:00.22 | tensai | -lart elg |
| 15:00.23 | brac | forces elg to use words like "irregardless" and "administrate" (thereby sounding like a real dumbass)" |
| 15:01.57 | elg | tensai: did you figure out your mailserver? |
| 15:02.49 | tensai | elg: yes and no. it's working fine for me. not sure I see these errors you speak of. |
| 15:03.40 | elg | fugal@troll:~$ telnet joanna.zmonkey.org smtp |
| 15:03.40 | elg | Trying 69.20.161.226... |
| 15:03.40 | elg | Connected to joanna.zmonkey.org. |
| 15:03.41 | elg | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:03.41 | elg | helo fugal.net |
| 15:03.41 | elg | 554 SMTP synchronization error |
| 15:03.43 | elg | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 15:03.55 | elg | same with ehlo, and other helo/ehlo hostnames |
| 15:04.12 | tensai | you're a troll. that's why. |
| 15:04.16 | elg | :) |
| 15:04.26 | tensai | ~rimshot |
| 15:04.27 | ibot | ba-dum CHH |
| 15:04.53 | tensai | "input sent without waiting for greeting" |
| 15:05.07 | tensai | wait till joanna says hello |
| 15:06.53 | elg | ah, i guess i'm just impatient. :) |
| 15:07.41 | elg | ok, well there goes my theory about why the mail was delayed that i was investigating |
| 15:07.55 | elg | mail from several places was in limbo, but from others came through just fine |
| 15:08.18 | elg | i figured secondary mx was as good an explanation as any and when yours looked borked i jumped to conclusions |
| 15:11.45 | elg | so did someone win that game yesterday? |
| 15:12.12 | tensai | clue jr.? no, we couldn't find all the pieces so we didn't even play. |
| 15:13.30 | elg | aren't jr. games supposed to be designed to be redundant? |
| 15:13.35 | elg | playable with 50% of the pieces? |
| 15:13.52 | tensai | not this one |
| 15:14.37 | elg | neato, we have a native english speaker for the colloquium this week |
| 15:14.45 | elg | and as a bonus, his subject isn't bioinformatics |
| 15:15.10 | elg | and as a double bonus, he's the author of the denotational semantics book we use in our programming languages graduate course |
| 15:15.46 | tensai | I thought you said he spoke english. all I hear is "blah blah blah". |
| 15:15.56 | elg | :) |
| 15:16.19 | elg | he's a native english speaker. doesn't mean he'll be speaking english in the colloquium |
| 15:16.39 | elg | just that i might be able to follow his greek accent |
| 15:18.25 | elg | Within the core topic of software architecture, we present the evolution of programming-in-the-large into connectors-and-components-style programming, approaches to architectural description, standard styles and patterns of software architecture, and examples of architecture design languages. From application and evolutionary areas, we cover domain-specific design and languages, product-line development, and feature-based specification |
| 15:20.35 | elg | http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~schmidt/misc/econ14apr.html |
| 15:20.37 | brac | [Economist.com] |
| 15:25.37 | elg | http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~schmidt/soap.txt |
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| 15:53.42 | tensai | they're trying to push through the dtv delay again |
| 15:53.44 | tensai | http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-352 |
| 15:58.58 | Sargun_Screen | again? |
| 15:59.24 | thaddeusq | Utah broadcasters have already said that they will make the switch on Feb. 17th. |
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| 16:00.59 | ^Migs^ | what will make June 12 any better? |
| 16:01.29 | Sargun_Screen | it's in the sumer |
| 16:01.31 | Sargun_Screen | summer |
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| 16:01.50 | Sargun_Screen | The name of the month is shorter, so you're wasting far less ink |
| 16:01.56 | Sargun_Screen | or bytes |
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| 16:11.32 | RyanE | mornin', Tim. |
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| 16:13.29 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: what are you doing in #nan |
| 16:13.39 | Sargun_Screen | er, s/#nan/#nanog/ |
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| 16:25.20 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: he's dividing by zero |
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| 16:30.00 | Sargun_Screen | Oh, noes. |
| 16:30.23 | Sargun_Screen | hides under a rock to avoid the massive destruction JoshH has brought upon us all. |
| 16:31.16 | sjansen | ~destroy Sargun_Screen |
| 16:31.17 | ibot | no |
| 16:31.38 | sjansen | ibot: But he's just hiding under that rock over there. It'll be easy. And fun. I promise. |
| 16:31.49 | sjansen | ~destroy Sargun_Screen |
| 16:31.49 | ibot | no |
| 16:31.58 | sjansen | ibot: Chicken. |
| 16:31.59 | ibot | chicken is, like, http://kellari.org/other/linux/wanted.jpg , or free-food for all!, or a language, or (Gallus gallus) is a type of domesticated bird which is often raised as a type of poultry. It is believed to be descended from the wild Asian Red Junglefowl. |
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| 16:34.44 | sjansen | Speaking of free food for all: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/900291 |
| 16:38.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, saw the superbowl ad |
| 16:38.17 | Jayce^ | #utah meetups across the state eh? :) |
| 16:40.05 | sjansen | http://www.hulu.com/watch/55595/saturday-night-live-obama-cold-open |
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| 17:07.45 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 17:07.46 | brac | drops a truckload of VAXen on sjansen |
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| 17:12.55 | sjansen | elg: Have I told you lately that I love... the desert theme? |
| 17:13.14 | elg | oh, that's so sweet |
| 17:14.01 | JoshH | i switch between desert and elflord |
| 17:14.32 | JoshH | usually desert though |
| 17:14.47 | Sargun | It's kind of funny to be able to say I work with the guy who invented draggable maps: http://www.google.com/patents?id=qTWhAAAAEBAJ&dq=geoffery+hendrey |
| 17:17.48 | elg | ironically i don't use it that much anymore. well, I do use it all the time but not the gui version. I do most of my vimming in the terminal these days |
| 17:18.45 | emcnabb | so is it true that Michael Halcrow now works at Microsoft? |
| 17:19.43 | emcnabb | I heard that rumor and http://halcrow.us/ makes it look like he is |
| 17:19.44 | brac | [Home Page] |
| 17:20.47 | elg | well either microsoft or some other rain-valley tech company, it would seem |
| 17:21.12 | elg | the question is are you trying to confirm a rumor, or start one? ;-) |
| 17:21.13 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:21.13 | brac | attempts to hotswap emcnabb's RAM |
| 17:21.30 | JoshH | maybe he's going to work for starbucks |
| 17:21.36 | emcnabb | elg, no, I'm completely serious |
| 17:22.01 | emcnabb | I was told by someone that the main "ecryptfs" developer was going to MS |
| 17:22.06 | emcnabb | then I looked at his webpage |
| 17:23.53 | elg | man i wish i was bald |
| 17:24.08 | elg | now that i've had a taste, hair is so disagreeable |
| 17:24.52 | elg | but i'm keeping the rag for a couple of months while i do the job search |
| 17:27.56 | tensai | maybe MS is going to be the new IBM and somebody else will become the new tech badguy |
| 17:29.29 | Sargun | elg, I like short hair much better than long hair |
| 17:30.36 | tensai | Sargun: elg is married, fyi |
| 17:32.04 | elg | so i had an on-campus interview for this place |
| 17:32.16 | elg | and it turns out they're on the edge of death valley. hotter than here in the summer |
| 17:32.23 | elg | i'm thinking, not so enticing anymore |
| 17:33.35 | Sargun | Death Valley is actually pretty nice |
| 17:33.54 | ^Migs^ | http://www.zoneshot.com/server/dg/spider.jpg |
| 17:34.44 | elg | in what way is death valley nice? |
| 17:34.51 | Sargun | ^Migs^, is that your spider? |
| 17:35.01 | ^Migs^ | Thankfully, no |
| 17:35.06 | ^Migs^ | just thought it was a cool picture |
| 17:40.17 | sjansen | Halcrow at MS? |
| 17:40.25 | sjansen | invests in sky falling insurance |
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| 17:51.21 | high_roller | death valley is pretty neat, in the winter, don't go in the summer |
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| 17:52.26 | elg | woe |
| 17:52.30 | elg | my trackball is dying |
| 17:56.21 | high_roller | try cleaning it :) |
| 17:56.35 | high_roller | mine gets dirty real quick |
| 17:57.14 | ^Migs^ | considered saying "that's what she said!" then decided against it |
| 17:57.45 | ^Migs^ | I, for one, despise trackballs |
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| 18:01.39 | high_roller | I had to start using one because of repetitive stress problems |
| 18:02.32 | jshipley | I've never used one for very long, but I kind of like the idea |
| 18:02.40 | jshipley | they don't seem too difficult to control |
| 18:03.25 | tensai | not sure which I like less, trackballs or eraser nubs |
| 18:09.15 | high_roller | I like eraser nubs because I don't have to take my hands off the keyboard |
| 18:16.47 | sjansen | track ball < eraser < track pad < optical mouse |
| 18:21.28 | elg | high_roller: i did clean it (it's the left button) |
| 18:21.43 | elg | it's not mechanical - it's inside the button switch |
| 18:22.08 | levi | You've got one of those new-fangled non-mechanical switches? ;) |
| 18:22.32 | elg | well obviously it's probably mechanical, inside the switch |
| 18:22.40 | elg | the button presses on the switch |
| 18:22.49 | elg | which has electrical contacts inside or something |
| 18:23.06 | elg | so now i have to decide whether to get this same model (online only) or the newfangled model |
| 18:23.14 | elg | i have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104108 |
| 18:23.36 | ^Migs^ | what's wrong with the oldfangled model? |
| 18:23.40 | elg | the newfangled one is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104156 |
| 18:23.52 | elg | this one is classic, but no scroll wheel |
| 18:24.00 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 18:24.17 | elg | and because there's no scroll wheel you hold your thumb down on that button (the one that wore out) and scroll |
| 18:24.23 | elg | which has given me some discomfort in my thumb |
| 18:24.24 | ^Migs^ | I kind of like the new one |
| 18:24.32 | ^Migs^ | the trackball on the side makes sense |
| 18:24.41 | ^Migs^ | to me, at least. Moreso than having it on the top like it usually would be. |
| 18:24.42 | elg | i'm not sure about the ball under the thumb. i think i'd have less control than with my fingers |
| 18:24.47 | elg | but probably enough control |
| 18:24.59 | ^Migs^ | my impression is that it would give BETTER control. |
| 18:25.00 | levi | I could never get used to trackballs. |
| 18:25.00 | elg | well, most trackballs these days are a variation on that design |
| 18:25.02 | ^Migs^ | but again, that's just me |
| 18:25.21 | levi | Well, I should amend that to say that I never tried really hard. |
| 18:25.32 | elg | i got this one when i got some rsi from too much mousing |
| 18:25.40 | elg | helped clear it up, and i quickly fell in love |
| 18:26.02 | elg | much more accurate, much easier to fly across the whole screen (acceleration? we don't need no stinkin' acceleration) |
| 18:26.06 | elg | more fun |
| 18:26.14 | vontrapp | the scroll wheel should be under the thumb |
| 18:26.16 | elg | can be used on your lap |
| 18:26.18 | vontrapp | and the trackball on top |
| 18:27.11 | high_roller | elg: It takes some getting used moving from a trackball you work with you finger to the new thumb one |
| 18:27.17 | high_roller | has the newfangled one |
| 18:27.23 | vontrapp | thumb offers sufficient control, and perhaps even better than fingers |
| 18:27.26 | elg | but it works out? |
| 18:27.29 | vontrapp | but fingers offer more fluidity |
| 18:27.42 | elg | i'm also concerned it might be too small for my hand. i read that some people with big hands don't like it |
| 18:27.48 | elg | of course you don't know how big big is |
| 18:27.53 | elg | so i guess i'll have to go try it out |
| 18:28.06 | high_roller | I have fairly large hands (wear xlarge gloves) and I don't notice an issue |
| 18:29.03 | vontrapp | if you just need to get there, i suppose thumb would be fine, and for very fine movements |
| 18:29.17 | vontrapp | but for drawing... with only one thumb? that would be a nightmare |
| 18:29.25 | vontrapp | but then, i don't like drawing with a mouse either. |
| 18:30.00 | vontrapp | anything that requires accurate tracking over longer distances would fail miserably with the thumb ball, IMO |
| 18:30.38 | elg | i've read some reviews by graphics designers for various trackballs, including mine, that trackballs are superior for graphics |
| 18:30.53 | elg | but when I do graphics, which is not very often and certainly not very well, I find I prefer a mouse |
| 18:30.57 | elg | that's the only time I prefer a mouse |
| 18:31.40 | elg | i guess i'll get some hands-on experience at the store and decide based on that |
| 18:31.50 | elg | if it feels ok i'll probably go with the newfangled one |
| 18:31.55 | high_roller | the best thing for graphics is a tablet |
| 18:32.01 | elg | right |
| 18:32.21 | elg | in the hopes it'll be better for my thumb |
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| 18:39.46 | high_roller | elg: it will drive you crazy at first, then you'll get used to it :) that's how it was for me moving from finger driven trackball |
| 18:40.57 | vontrapp | fwiw elg, i _hated_ using your trackball for web browsing, for that stupid scroll problem |
| 18:41.23 | vontrapp | still thinks tracking with the thumb is a bad idea |
| 18:41.26 | elg | i mostly rely on the space bar and my trackpad for scrolling |
| 18:41.33 | vontrapp | it just seems wrong to me |
| 18:41.36 | elg | but if i didn't have to, even better |
| 18:41.58 | elg | i see people going on about how finger-driven is bad because it still involves moving more of your arm |
| 18:42.02 | elg | or wrist |
| 18:42.03 | elg | or something |
| 18:42.29 | vontrapp | well, fingers are bad for horizontal movement |
| 18:42.37 | vontrapp | thumb is baaad for vertical movement |
| 18:42.45 | vontrapp | so i guess it depends on what you do with it |
| 18:43.20 | vontrapp | of course, mixing the thumb and fingers is optimal (thumb for horizontal flings, fingers for vertical) |
| 18:44.01 | vontrapp | so what you really need is a larger ball, exposed on the top _and_ on the side |
| 18:44.35 | vontrapp | you can use comfortable up/down motions of the thumb for the horizontal, and scratching with maybe two fingers for vertical |
| 18:45.32 | vontrapp | i could go for a trackball like that |
| 18:45.46 | vontrapp | and maybe a pinky scroll wheel |
| 18:46.17 | vontrapp | no, ring finger would be better |
| 18:50.55 | elg | vontrapp: do you mouse with right or left? |
| 18:51.07 | elg | this trackball is one of the few that's hand-neutral |
| 18:51.18 | vontrapp | right |
| 18:51.48 | vontrapp | but i might could train my left to track |
| 18:52.04 | vontrapp | mouse with right/track with left |
| 18:53.50 | elg | vontrapp: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=12&pcid=a9fdd4c0-41da-4045-9d6f-f087c17ffd30&crumb=catpage&catid=c250fb0a-1613-4550-983d-ba203f357698 |
| 18:53.57 | elg | how does that one look? |
| 18:54.07 | elg | besides the fact that it was discontinued 3 years ago |
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| 19:07.30 | vontrapp | ya, i like the thumb scroll wheel |
| 19:08.54 | vontrapp | but take that side contour, move it in (towards the trackball) another 1/2", thus exposing the side of the ball to the whims of the thumb, and you have perfection |
| 19:24.34 | eightyeight | sjansen: thoughts? http://hacktux.com/bash/script/efficient |
| 19:27.14 | sjansen | eightyeight: Seems reasonable, but if you really care about efficiency you shouldn't be using Bash. |
| 19:28.00 | sjansen | The most important tip is mktemp, which isn't about efficiency but instead robustness and security. |
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| 19:29.27 | eightyeight | if you care about efficency, what should you be using? |
| 19:31.33 | sjansen | Perl or Python. Better yet, Java. Best of all, if you're smart and have enough time, C. |
| 19:32.09 | goozbach | bash! |
| 19:32.11 | goozbach | me loves bach |
| 19:32.15 | goozbach | er bash |
| 19:32.30 | eightyeight | efficiency == speed? |
| 19:32.34 | sjansen | Bash is good for creating simple solutions to simple problems. |
| 19:32.50 | sjansen | eightyeight: As defined by that blog post, yes. |
| 19:32.56 | eightyeight | ahh |
| 19:33.48 | sjansen | Good ole' sh is good for creating portable solutions (once you learn enough sick and twisted tricks). |
| 19:35.16 | sjansen | A better title than "10 Tips for Writing Efficient Bash Scripts" would be "10 Tips for Making Sure Experienced Bash Scripters Don't Laugh at You". |
| 19:35.38 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:35.59 | eightyeight | i used your rule for quoting variables the other day |
| 19:36.07 | eightyeight | made me chuckle |
| 19:36.52 | goozbach | what's the rule again? |
| 19:36.56 | goozbach | I always forget |
| 19:37.02 | sjansen | Although I personally don't follow a couple of them. Don't use [[ ]] because of my ksh background. And as far as I'm concerned, if you need arrays stop using Bash. |
| 19:37.21 | goozbach | what's wrong with bash arrays? |
| 19:37.44 | goozbach | I wrote an API for an appliance we purchased in pure bash |
| 19:37.50 | goozbach | it's pretty slick |
| 19:37.51 | eightyeight | goozbach: unless you have a good reason not to, always quote your variables. EG: FOO="bar baz"; echo "$FOO" |
| 19:37.56 | sjansen | goozbach: They're a good indication that the problem your solving is complex enough you should probably be using a more robust language to solve it. |
| 19:38.19 | Jayce^ | oooh.. |
| 19:38.20 | Jayce^ | ?Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter.? ?Sen. Tom Daschle, May 7, 1998. |
| 19:38.27 | sjansen | s/good reason/very good reason/ |
| 19:38.42 | goozbach | sjansen: I've got three appliances which don't have anything installed other than bash, and you void your warranty to install other software |
| 19:38.53 | goozbach | so I wrote an interface in bash |
| 19:38.58 | goozbach | it's great! |
| 19:39.13 | goozbach | Jayce^: that's awesome |
| 19:39.26 | sjansen | Fair enough, I'm always open to sucky solutions to sucky problems. |
| 19:39.35 | Jayce^ | almost launched his spaghetti onto his monitor when he firs tread it |
| 19:40.38 | eightyeight | is it time for lunch? |
| 19:40.58 | sjansen | From the looks of Jayce^'s monitor, it is. |
| 19:41.00 | goozbach | lunch, geez it's 2:40 |
| 19:41.22 | eightyeight | pfft |
| 19:41.32 | Jayce^ | goozbach, second lunch then |
| 19:41.35 | eightyeight | Mon Feb 2 12:41:34 MST 2009 |
| 19:41.58 | eightyeight | this isn't #georgia, after all. :) |
| 19:42.08 | goozbach | Jayce^: I'm a bit early for the "bus ride" |
| 19:42.28 | goozbach | we have an afternoon snack time people started calling the "bus ride home" |
| 19:43.03 | goozbach | due in part to the school lunch style treats my wife puts into my lunches |
| 19:44.13 | Sargun | hehe |
| 19:45.31 | Jayce^ | ~steal goozbach 's snak pak |
| 19:45.32 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach 's snak pak and gives it to jayce^ |
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| 20:02.02 | Sargun | I need to really _LEARN_ one of these languages: C, Java, Haskell |
| 20:02.42 | Sargun | I like Java because of JIT, and JVM, but the issue is that it is sandboxed |
| 20:03.02 | Sargun | I like C, but it's horribly simple, and becomes overcomplicated when doing complex things with it |
| 20:03.48 | Heartsbane | hungry? |
| 20:05.05 | Sargun | ? |
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| 20:09.44 | Supaplex | famished? |
| 20:11.20 | Heartsbane | ~steal Supaplex's lunch |
| 20:11.21 | ibot | ACTION grabs Supaplex's lunch and gives it to heartsbane |
| 20:16.08 | jshipley | I would love using something like Haskell for a while |
| 20:16.36 | Sargun | I tried learning Haskell, it hurt my brain quite well |
| 20:27.24 | Supaplex | I have no lunch to begin with :-x |
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| 20:35.51 | ^Migs^ | holy: http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1778399 |
| 20:48.35 | tensai | harleypig: http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/tough_02_02/t14_17824155.jpg |
| 20:49.37 | jshipley | I learned SML in school, that was a lot of fun |
| 21:24.51 | emcnabb | gshipley, get back to work |
| 21:25.17 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:25.17 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up sjansen |
| 21:25.19 | sjansen | emcnabb: Get back to work, maggot! |
| 21:25.34 | gshipley | emcnabb: I wish I wasn't at work today... 6 prod issues right now |
| 21:25.44 | emcnabb | gshipley, :-( |
| 21:26.03 | gshipley | jboss csp, issue tracker, sso, etc etc |
| 21:26.27 | emcnabb | gshipley, yeah, I noticed an IT issue earlier... |
| 21:26.52 | emcnabb | goozbach, how's ATL? |
| 21:29.24 | sjansen | Why is Intel's wireless such crap? |
| 21:29.51 | high_roller | like their video cards? |
| 21:29.58 | Supaplex | because it's just good enough to sell |
| 21:30.08 | sjansen | I though open source drivers were supposed to be the gateway to magical lands with chocolate milk waterfalls. |
| 21:31.00 | sjansen | Actually, as long as you don't care about gaming, I'd recommend an Intel video card over the alternatives. |
| 21:33.40 | goozbach | emcnabb: rainy and gray today |
| 21:39.11 | Tene | Eh? What do you need a fancy video card for to display an 80x25 character terminal window? |
| 21:39.16 | sjansen | goozbach: At least you have millions of peaches. Peaches for free. |
| 21:40.31 | emcnabb | sjansen, I've actually had good luck with my ipw2200 |
| 21:40.39 | emcnabb | a little old school, but reliable |
| 21:41.56 | goozbach | I wish I had peaches |
| 21:42.16 | Supaplex | ~throw a peach to goozbach |
| 21:42.17 | ibot | ACTION winds up and throws a peach to goozbach over the moon. |
| 21:42.27 | Supaplex | *splat* :P |
| 21:44.09 | sjansen | emcnabb: Works with WPA? |
| 21:44.14 | goozbach | dang |
| 21:44.18 | goozbach | grabs a spoon |
| 21:44.42 | Jayce^ | ooh, just got offered rocking seats at the jazz game tonight.. |
| 21:44.54 | ^Migs^ | what row? |
| 21:45.00 | Jayce^ | 2nd |
| 21:45.02 | Jayce^ | behind the basket |
| 21:45.20 | ^Migs^ | that's not bad |
| 21:45.25 | ^Migs^ | I'd rather be mid-court |
| 21:45.39 | ^Migs^ | do you get the VIP meal with them? |
| 21:45.46 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:45.54 | ^Migs^ | snacks in the Half-time lounge? |
| 21:46.00 | goozbach | Jayce^: how did you manage that? |
| 21:46.22 | Jayce^ | work perk |
| 21:46.47 | ^Migs^ | I used to have perks like that :( |
| 21:46.53 | sjansen | Anybody want a peanut? |
| 21:46.58 | ^Migs^ | peanuts++ |
| 21:47.14 | ^Migs^ | sometimes I miss working for a non-government entity |
| 21:52.43 | sjansen | Stuart's Law of CPAN: Any sufficiently complex app will be impossible to install. |
| 21:53.16 | sjansen | ~fire ^Migs^ |
| 21:53.17 | ibot | I'm sorry, ^Migs^, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 21:53.36 | sjansen | ^Migs^: There you go. Now you can do something about it. |
| 21:54.15 | goozbach | ^Migs^: monster.com |
| 21:54.30 | goozbach | oh and don't forget to network... jibberjobber.com |
| 21:54.36 | ^Migs^ | I didn't say I wanted another job |
| 21:54.41 | ^Migs^ | sheesh |
| 21:54.56 | ^Migs^ | especially now. I'd probably get hired, then get laid off within a month. |
| 21:55.08 | ^Migs^ | but thanks for mentioning jibberjobber...haven't seen that before |
| 21:55.27 | goozbach | but you just got fired |
| 21:55.35 | ^Migs^ | I'll manage |
| 21:56.15 | ^Migs^ | you do realize my unemployment comp is coming out of your taxes, right? |
| 21:56.52 | Supaplex | yup. use it or lose it |
| 21:57.10 | Supaplex | sorry to hear about your job though |
| 21:59.21 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/cheney_dunk_tank_raises_800?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
| 22:05.12 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Hang on, really? 'Cause if so ~fire-ing you was kinda mean. |
| 22:05.35 | elg | i think Sargun is just confused |
| 22:07.12 | ^Migs^ | It depends. Did I deserve to be fired? |
| 22:14.44 | elg | -lart macnewbold |
| 22:14.44 | brac | frowns at macnewbold really really hard |
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| 22:24.52 | Sargun | I'm confused? I'm confused!? |
| 22:25.02 | sjansen | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123336541474235541.html |
| 22:33.35 | fozzmoo | Because slavery is what socialism is all about. ;-) |
| 22:39.15 | sjansen | Who is John Galt? |
| 22:46.41 | Jayce^ | I'm John Galt! |
| 22:46.46 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 22:53.58 | levi | Anyone know who's got the vanity plate "BLOGGER"? |
| 22:55.50 | tensai | someone very very bitter |
| 22:56.23 | levi | I saw it on the road today and figured it'd be an easy google find, but it wasn't. |
| 22:56.52 | levi | "These are beautiful textbook illustrations of supply and demand driving market price and equilibrium." |
| 22:59.21 | sjansen | levi: Are you saying you can't see the beauty in foreclosure? |
| 23:00.05 | levi | There are some people in my neighborhood that have been forclosed on. It certainly ain't beautiful from that perspective. |
| 23:00.49 | sjansen | But, but, but... |
| 23:01.25 | levi | Of course, the author of the piece makes a living selling forclosed homes, so he would necessarily have a different point of view. |
| 23:02.19 | tensai | same goes for bankruptcy. it ain't pretty but sometimes it's the best solution we've got. |
| 23:03.24 | levi | Bankruptcy is kind of the other side of the coin. |
| 23:05.22 | tensai | how so? |
| 23:06.12 | levi | Well, Chapter 13 bankruptcy can let you keep your property, for example. |
| 23:06.45 | tensai | I see what you mean. in one scenario you abandon the house, in the other you keep it |
| 23:07.33 | levi | It's instituted for the benefit of the individual or corporation that's filing for it. Forclosure is solely for the benefit of the lender; it allows them to reposess the property associated with the loan so they can recoup some of their losses. |
| 23:08.33 | tensai | the homeowner benefits by getting a change of scenery, right? |
| 23:09.37 | levi | That's not really a benefit; they could leave whenever they wanted anyway. |
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| 23:10.20 | tensai | the fresh air of living outside... what's not to love? |
| 23:11.54 | levi | Sure, it's great, but they have that anyway if they want it. :) |
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| 23:37.25 | levi | Heh. I almost wish we could just follow the advice in this article, even though I think it's ridiculous: http://mises.org/story/3316 |
| 23:38.17 | levi | Then either the Austrians would be proven right, and we could live in a free-market paradise, or things would go horribly wrong and they'd be so discredited we'd never have to hear from them again. |
| 23:40.58 | levi | Look at point 10. Abolishing income tax and the minimum wage would reduce unemployment to 0 in six months, despite the fact that banks would be failing left and right and the Big Three would be gone. It's like magic! |
| 23:48.35 | Tene | But levi, look at point 8! That answers that objection. |
| 23:48.38 | Tene | "Yes, this would cause some banks to immediately go bankrupt, but the big banks aren't doing anything now anyway. The dreaded liquidation would actually wipe the slate clean so recovery could begin. As it is, trillions of dollars in capital is now locked up in undead institutions that can't make new loans but won't mark their assets at true values, since they are insolvent. And with the income tax being wiped out, the toxicity of these troubled asse |
| 23:48.45 | Tene | ... would come way down." |
| 23:48.59 | Tene | Bank failures is *good*, not bad! |
| 23:49.10 | Tene | unlike my grammar |
| 23:49.32 | elg | well you are referring to it as a singular |
| 23:49.41 | RyanE | if the bank were to fail, wouldn't FDIC still protect your first $100K? |
| 23:49.53 | RyanE | err... now it's 200K, isn't it? |
| 23:57.56 | tensai | levi: but is that what austrians are actually doing? as I recall the EU has a very steep VAT. |
