| 00:00.14 | unum | RyanE: I almost said that, but will I've met Fozzmoo |
| 00:00.46 | levi | fozzmoo: "Greenhouse gases (GHGs) occur naturally in the Earth's atmosphere and help to keep the planet hospitable to life by trapping some of the sun's natural heat. Without this "greenhouse effect," the Earth's average surface temperature would be about 33 degrees Celsius cooler than it is currently. The most important naturally occurring GHGs associated with this phenomenon are water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous |
| 00:00.47 | levi | oxide." |
| 00:01.00 | levi | fozzmoo: From the report referenced on that page. |
| 00:01.22 | fozzmoo | buys water vapor credits to save the universe. |
| 00:03.50 | levi | I think rain works pretty well at keeping the water vapor concentration in check. :P |
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| 00:08.22 | levi | Huh, Meat Puppets coming in concert. |
| 00:09.33 | levi | Haven't heard of them in years. |
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| 00:12.49 | levi | Heh, my hyper-conservative relatives are getting into arguments with my merely highly conservative relatives on the family chat site. |
| 00:13.06 | levi | Over Tom Hanks, of all things. |
| 00:13.17 | levi | And Carl's Jr. ads. |
| 00:14.06 | unum | my family is all libertarian conservative |
| 00:14.59 | levi | My family is all Christian conservative, though I think some of them have some libertarian leanings. |
| 00:15.08 | unum | my brother once told me the parties were backwards on gay marriage, because after all it's the democrats that are always trying to tell us what to do |
| 00:15.44 | unum | I always like to point out to them that matheson votes more libertarian than the rest of utah's delegation |
| 00:16.03 | eightyeight | levi: lemme guess. over tom's comment about prop 8 and mormons being anti-american? |
| 00:16.12 | levi | eightyeight: Yeah. |
| 00:17.17 | unum | hadn't heard that |
| 00:17.23 | levi | The argument is over whether we all need to now have zero respect for him and boycott all his movies and stuff. |
| 00:17.31 | unum | done |
| 00:17.34 | unum | that was easy |
| 00:18.45 | unum | though I'm with jospeh smith on this one: D&C 134:4 |
| 00:18.48 | levi | The guy who's all about not respecting people is a total ass. He said he has zero respect for me in a previous conversation. |
| 00:18.51 | eightyeight | his comment may have been misplaced, but that doesn't change the fact that i find him an amazing actor |
| 00:20.25 | levi | eightyeight: Yeah, some more level-headed people made that point, but the hyper-conservatives were like, 'But seeing his movies is lending aid to anti-Mormon sentiment! You are going to hell!' |
| 00:20.43 | levi | Not quite in those words, of course. |
| 00:21.31 | unum | I was quite suprised several months ago when Elder Hefen(a member of the first quorum of the seventy) told us it was wrong to improve upon the consel of the prophets |
| 00:21.39 | levi | I think the only one they've outright questioned the moral character of was me. |
| 00:21.58 | unum | he specifically mentioned people who wouldn't watch pg13 movies |
| 00:22.06 | levi | unum: Hooray for him! We don't need to be Pharisees. Jesus didn't like them. |
| 00:22.41 | unum | levi: what's funny is I know a relative of his and she wouldn't believe me :) |
| 00:23.17 | levi | Was this in a local address, or something that would be archived at lds.org? |
| 00:23.30 | unum | I'm afraid it was local. |
| 00:23.42 | unum | I wish I had it somewhere that was documented |
| 00:23.50 | unum | his own relatives won't even believe me :) |
| 00:23.56 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:31.33 | elg | well webcalendar is up and running |
| 00:31.39 | elg | we'll see if she bites |
| 00:31.56 | elg | is hoping to stave off the probably-inevitable mass emailing of excel spreadsheets |
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| 01:24.33 | elg | anyone know of a way to monitor memory usage of a process? specifically i'd like to know the maximum memory usage over a particular interval (or at least over the life of the process) |
| 01:29.57 | high_roller | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:51.29 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 06:16.59 | eightyeight | heh. in ##unix: |
| 06:17.01 | eightyeight | 21:56 < seanmccann> how can i grep for the words in "/usr/share/dict/words" that are over 10 chars long? |
| 06:17.05 | eightyeight | 21:59 < dayid> grep ".........." /usr/share/dict/words |
| 06:17.10 | eightyeight | shakes his head |
| 06:17.42 | eightyeight | egrep '.{11,}' /usr/share/dict/words |
| 06:17.46 | eightyeight | much better |
| 06:19.00 | levi | I dunno about 'much'. |
| 06:19.13 | levi | Depends on whether he meant 10+ or 11+, too. |
| 06:19.18 | eightyeight | well, first off, his solution isn't answering the question |
| 06:19.39 | eightyeight | he's doing exactly 10, not 'over 10' |
| 06:19.56 | eightyeight | second, thet's what quantification is for |
| 06:21.02 | levi | So, what does *your* grep print out if it finds a match on a line? |
| 06:21.57 | eightyeight | the word, 11 characters or more |
| 06:22.36 | levi | No, that's not the question I asked. |
| 06:22.47 | levi | What does your grep command print if it finds a match on a line? |
| 06:22.50 | eightyeight | well, looking at his solution, he's not anchoring, so i guess that does work |
| 06:23.26 | findlay | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 06:23.26 | ibot | beats fozzmoo senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 06:23.28 | levi | Even if he anchored to the beginning of the line it would work. |
| 06:23.34 | eightyeight | i know |
| 06:23.38 | levi | findlay: Congrats! |
| 06:23.39 | eightyeight | i realize that now |
| 06:23.40 | fozzmoo | findlay: Wha? Wha? |
| 06:23.47 | findlay | ~bookface fozzmoo |
| 06:23.48 | ibot | ACTION slaps fozzmoo onto his facebook friend wall |
| 06:24.08 | findlay | thanks levi |
| 06:24.14 | levi | eightyeight: His question was asking how to grep for something, not the best regex possible to match a string. :) |
| 06:24.16 | findlay | thanks levi,fozzmoo |
| 06:24.30 | findlay | still grepping, eh? |
| 06:24.36 | eightyeight | levi: agreed |
| 06:24.37 | fozzmoo | I recommend everyone go look at the pictures findlay's fiance has posted on Facebook. They're fun. |
| 06:24.39 | levi | findlay: And she looks cute, too. :) |
| 06:24.51 | fozzmoo | Yes, she's very attractive. |
| 06:25.02 | eightyeight | he might or might not meet the requirement, depending on 10+ or 11+ as you pointed out |
| 06:25.21 | eightyeight | i'd argue that my solution makes better use of regex, and easier to read |
| 06:26.51 | levi | Better? Yes. Much better? Well, only if you're anal about your regexes. :) |
| 06:27.02 | eightyeight | ok. ok. |
| 06:27.05 | levi | findlay: When's the big day? |
| 06:27.40 | findlay | levi: all days are 86400 s long unless a leap second needs to be introduced |
| 06:27.53 | eightyeight | 86400.002, actually |
| 06:28.00 | findlay | hm |
| 06:28.04 | levi | findlay: They're all (roughly) the same length, yet some are bigger than others. :) |
| 06:28.19 | findlay | how many vibrations of cesium 111 is that? |
| 06:29.03 | eightyeight | ~ask denver |
| 06:29.26 | findlay | levi: well, basically, like, May 9th |
| 06:29.43 | levi | Sweet. |
| 06:29.55 | eightyeight | findlay: congrats again |
| 06:30.00 | levi | Any big plans for it made yet? |
| 06:30.36 | findlay | mostly little plans |
| 06:32.10 | findlay | yeah, my fiancée's hot |
| 06:32.32 | findlay | and dang smart |
| 06:32.43 | fozzmoo | Oh yeah? That's a frightening combination. |
| 06:32.59 | findlay | so am I |
| 06:33.03 | findlay | prepare to be afraid |
| 06:33.05 | findlay | ! |
| 06:33.12 | findlay | ~scare fozzmoo |
| 06:33.12 | ibot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at fozzmoo |
| 06:33.23 | fozzmoo | is unfazed |
| 06:33.29 | Heartsbane | you forgot the axe |
| 06:33.31 | Heartsbane | that is why |
| 06:33.31 | levi | Did you woo her with your mad music skillz? |
| 06:33.41 | findlay | I always forget the axe |
| 06:33.44 | fozzmoo | findlay: What is she smart about? |
| 06:34.13 | findlay | fozzmoo: everything that I'm not, so we're like a linear combination |
| 06:34.23 | eightyeight | findlay: i noticed her commenting to james about the ring being "version one point oh". is she as geek as that leads me to believe? |
| 06:34.34 | fozzmoo | So... you're like... complementary. |
| 06:34.39 | findlay | our combined vector space is twice as big as either alone |
| 06:35.05 | fozzmoo | My wife and I are smart about many of the same things which hasn't always been fun. :) |
| 06:35.34 | findlay | levi: of course ;) |
| 06:37.27 | levi | findlay: How did you meet? |
| 06:38.07 | findlay | eightyeight: she's not strictly geek but very insightful into human nature, and is wonderfully capable of abstract thought |
| 06:38.24 | eightyeight | that's good |
| 06:38.39 | levi | Even better than being geeky. |
| 06:38.55 | findlay | levi: well, it's story time. Everybody grab a blanket and steal one of sjansen's cookies! |
| 06:39.42 | findlay | in the beginning, there was the platonic concept of a college town in Utah County |
| 06:40.17 | findlay | levi: it was random, really |
| 06:41.13 | findlay | I was coming home from a morning recording session in SLC and my roomate wanted to drive up the canyon |
| 06:41.49 | findlay | so on our way back he invited me to a party of some people he just met |
| 06:42.20 | findlay | and the party was at Karen's house (on a Saturday) |
| 06:43.01 | levi | Ahh, the single life. :) |
| 06:45.46 | findlay | I was back the following afternoon of course |
| 06:46.44 | Supaplex | kisses lastcomm -f - |
| 06:46.47 | findlay | and basically overawed her with my superior grammatical complexity and penchant for sesquepedalian word choice |
| 06:51.13 | levi | Um, yeah. :) |
| 06:51.19 | findlay | an offering requisite and meet for all pulchritudinous altergeeks, and blah blah, now we're engaged |
| 06:51.25 | findlay | the end |
| 06:52.41 | fozzmoo | And, apparently, you flexed your rugged forearm muscles for her a few times too. |
| 06:52.50 | findlay | now back to your regularly scheduled Supaplex interjections about some arcanity of the shell or other |
| 06:53.30 | fozzmoo | I was going to shoot a video about making ethernet cables tonight. |
| 06:53.33 | fozzmoo | Ahh well. Maybe tomorrow. |
| 06:53.56 | fozzmoo | I went up to Logan a couple weeks ago to an office Iodynamics used to support. |
| 06:54.06 | fozzmoo | They've got some USU student doing part time IT support. |
| 06:54.28 | fozzmoo | I tried to plug into the network on his desk using my 3-port USB-powered mini-switch and it wouldn't work. |
| 06:54.54 | fozzmoo | That led me to investigate and I discovered all the patch cables were wired incorrectly. |
| 06:55.23 | fozzmoo | He was like, "I thought as long as everything was the same on both sides, it was fine." |
| 06:55.32 | fozzmoo | He didn't know anything about pairs 1&2 and 3&6. |
| 06:55.55 | findlay | I'm not going to lie, rugged forearms can impose a significant attraction |
| 06:56.00 | fozzmoo | Scares me to think how widespread this phenomenon might be. |
| 06:58.53 | levi | Rugged forearms? Yeah, that's kind of scary. :P |
| 06:59.22 | Supaplex | tosses for l in /var/log/account/*gz ; do d=$(date --reference $l +"%Y%m%d"); echo zcat $l | lastcomm -f - | ./lastcomm-summary > /var/log/account/lastco... into findlay's lap |
| 07:00.05 | findlay | man, I've been away from irc for so long I almost forgot what it was like being a computer geek |
| 07:00.34 | findlay | here I was thinking that an apt-get update every once in a while would hold me over |
| 07:01.45 | findlay | -chat rugged forearms |
| 07:01.47 | levi | Man, my guitar is in serious need of a good setup. |
| 07:01.50 | brac | rugged forearms can impose a significant attraction |
| 07:02.09 | findlay | -chat levi's guitar |
| 07:02.14 | brac | levi's guitar |
| 07:02.16 | findlay | -chat levi |
| 07:02.20 | brac | levi did with the job to open source any suggestions? |
| 07:03.03 | findlay | -chat Supaplex |
| 07:03.07 | brac | Supaplex did |
| 07:03.26 | findlay | -chat topological spaces |
| 07:03.30 | brac | topological spaces |
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| 07:41.33 | Supaplex | ~lart me for assuming . was in $PATH DUH |
| 07:41.33 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats supaplex until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with for assuming . was in $PATH DUH |
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| 08:33.57 | Supaplex | quick! hide |
| 08:34.16 | Supaplex | ~lart #utah |
| 08:34.16 | ibot | DoSes #utah |
| 08:35.03 | Sargun | ~lart Supaplex |
| 08:35.03 | ibot | DoSes Supaplex |
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| 11:30.59 | eightyeight | for those on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/group/utah |
| 11:35.08 | Sargun | no |
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| 14:10.49 | goozbach | fozzmoo: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b79975_veronica_mars_movie_finally_in_works.html?sid=rss_kristin&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_kristin |
| 14:10.57 | goozbach | that's a freaking long url, sorry |
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| 14:57.14 | MrTeye | goozbach: http://tinyurl.com/aol5ws |
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| 15:26.52 | eightyeight | Sargun: i'm always impressed with your ability to add to a conversation |
| 15:29.02 | Sargun | Hehe, I was going to say something intelligent, but might as well test the waters first, to check if you hadn't fallen asleep in the past 5 minutes (people do that sort of thing at 0300+) |
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| 16:20.58 | fozzmoo | goozbach: ping |
| 16:21.03 | goozbach | pong |
| 16:21.15 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Explain this !utah thing on identi.ca |
| 16:21.19 | fozzmoo | goozbach: pls. |
| 16:21.30 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it's a identi group |
| 16:21.49 | goozbach | join the group, see all the posts by members of that group |
| 16:21.57 | fozzmoo | How does a person join a group? |
| 16:22.04 | goozbach | think of it as following a group of folks |
| 16:22.07 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 16:22.09 | goozbach | fozzmoo: web interface |
| 16:22.11 | fozzmoo | I can't find any documentation. |
| 16:22.30 | fozzmoo | What's gwibber? |
| 16:23.10 | goozbach | gwibber is a python based microblogging software |
| 16:23.12 | goozbach | pretty slick |
| 16:23.25 | fozzmoo | I just found the identi.ca and twitter plugins for purple/pidgin. |
| 16:23.45 | fozzmoo | And the facebook plugin for purple/pidgin too. |
| 16:24.45 | fozzmoo | clicks "Join" and waits. |
| 16:27.23 | fozzmoo | goozbach: thx |
| 16:30.04 | Sargun_Screen | Speed Racer: A 12 year old's wet dream. |
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| 16:34.59 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: You'd know. ;-) |
| 16:37.20 | Sargun_Screen | It seems to be a cross between Clockwork Orange and some Anime movie... and something else. |
| 16:38.04 | fozzmoo | Or... a modern remake of a classic. :) |
| 16:38.16 | Sargun_Screen | well, I mean the modern version of it. |
| 16:45.37 | ^Migs^ | I had a funny idea for an April Fools prank. Change the name of every category in our schools filter to "Educational." |
| 16:45.48 | ^Migs^ | Then when someone went to something like YouTube, it would say "YouTube has been blocked for the following reason: Educational" |
| 16:45.56 | ^Migs^ | "Playboy.com has been blocked for the following reason: Educational" |
| 16:46.24 | JoshH | i can't understand the point of youtube blocks |
| 16:46.41 | ^Migs^ | it's the law |
| 16:46.56 | ^Migs^ | inappropriate material can be uploaded |
| 16:47.19 | ^Migs^ | like I said, that's why we launched WeberTube here. I believe if you block something that's appropriate for education in a school system, you have an obligation to provide an alternative. |
| 16:47.40 | RyanE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.42 | ^Migs^ | *like I've said before |
| 16:47.49 | ^Migs^ | sure |
| 16:47.55 | ^Migs^ | and we'd block it |
| 16:47.55 | JoshH | it can have inappropriate material, but what's wrong with using it for educaton in a lab? |
| 16:47.59 | RyanE | That doesn't mean I think schools shouldn't try, but it is somewhat of a futile effort. |
| 16:48.08 | JoshH | obviously it should be against the rules to watch porn in the school library |
| 16:48.25 | RyanE | ok, not futile, but certainly difficult. |
| 16:48.30 | fozzmoo | Unless you're doing it for educational purposes. |
| 16:48.33 | JoshH | but in a classroom i think youtube could be handy |
| 16:48.44 | ^Migs^ | The sensible thing would be to teach kids proper responsible Internet usage, and let them govern themselves, and lower the filters a little |
| 16:48.56 | ^Migs^ | still, blatant porn sites would still be blocked |
| 16:49.11 | jshipley | do you block google too, or google images? |
| 16:49.13 | ^Migs^ | Some school districts do keep YouTube unblocked, though it often causes more problems than it's worth |
| 16:49.15 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 16:49.18 | RyanE | since when has the government started doing 'sensible things'? |
| 16:49.21 | ^Migs^ | we're able to do decent enough filtering on Google Images |
| 16:49.21 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Yes, in a society that reveres personal responsibility, that would be excellent. |
| 16:49.33 | ^Migs^ | users can't turn off SafeSearch, and they can't enter a list of inappropriate keywords |
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| 16:49.41 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Unfortunately, we don't live in that society. |
| 16:49.46 | ^Migs^ | Nope, we do not |
| 16:49.55 | elg | speed racer is one of the stupidest movies i ever watched |
| 16:49.55 | ^Migs^ | They don't have filters in Finnish schools |
| 16:50.06 | elg | but they have fins |
| 16:50.06 | jshipley | do you filter some wikipedia pages? |
| 16:50.11 | ^Migs^ | mainly because they teach the kids responsible Internet usage. Of course, Finland does do nationwide filtering... |
| 16:50.23 | ^Migs^ | nope |
| 16:50.27 | ^Migs^ | and I'm not about to point out the bad ones |
| 16:50.30 | tensai | stupid weak ssh keys |
| 16:50.38 | ^Migs^ | wikipedia is too useful a tool |
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| 16:50.48 | fozzmoo | tensai: Got a story to tell? |
| 16:51.00 | tensai | server A says that my public key is weak. client B says the keys are not blacklisted. |
| 16:51.16 | ^Migs^ | I don't think they'd ever block it here, anyway |
| 16:51.29 | ^Migs^ | the backlash from the teachers, students, and even some parents wouldn't be worth it |
| 16:51.33 | JoshH | do you guys let your kids watch youtube at home? |
| 16:51.47 | fozzmoo | My kids do. |
| 16:52.09 | ^Migs^ | yeah. Mostly just http://totlol.com |
| 16:52.18 | ^Migs^ | I don't constantly supervise them when they're watching that. With YouTube, I would. |
| 16:52.38 | ^Migs^ | I need to set up a proper web filter still |
| 16:52.58 | JoshH | i can't imagine a kid with no youtube ending up better off in life than a kid with normal access. they need supervision and discipline, not having things blocked and hidden. |
| 16:53.07 | ^Migs^ | I agree |
| 16:53.26 | ^Migs^ | and it's not like they can't do that at home |
| 16:53.43 | ^Migs^ | and in a few years, all school filters will be useless, since most students will have Internet access on their cell phones |
| 16:54.05 | ^Migs^ | so really the time to start teaching them appropriate Internet usage in a school setting was yesterday. |
| 16:54.54 | ^Migs^ | you might be astonished at the number of parents who don't think schools need Internet access |
| 16:55.01 | ^Migs^ | or that kids need to be using the Internet. |
| 16:55.22 | ^Migs^ | in the end, it's not really the students teachers have to report to, or even an administrator. It's the parents. |
| 16:55.39 | ^Migs^ | They're the ones all the laws and policies are supposedly trying to appease. |
| 16:56.18 | ^Migs^ | yet they're often kept so far out of the loop of what goes on in a school district, or don't have any say in decision-making processes beyond the little the PTA actually does |
| 16:56.29 | jshipley | how well does the filter do against proxies? |
| 16:57.21 | ^Migs^ | our filter does pretty well. Students still find ways around it, sure, but when we find out about loopholes (which students are often dumb enough to post on the Internet or in Facebook or in their student email accounts), we close the loopholes |
| 16:58.10 | ^Migs^ | I bet if we took down all the filters and had one day of "filterless Internet" as an experiment, nothing really bad would happen. |
| 16:58.23 | ^Migs^ | well, porn sites would still be blocked, of course |
| 16:58.26 | jshipley | especially if there was some sort of teacher supervision |
| 16:58.35 | ^Migs^ | There's always teacher supervision when students are using computers |
| 16:59.08 | ^Migs^ | can't watch everyone, thoguh |
| 16:59.09 | ^Migs^ | *though |
| 16:59.18 | fozzmoo | Need more cameras. :) |
| 16:59.27 | fozzmoo | RFID! |
| 16:59.34 | jshipley | No, and I guess that students can watch for teachers and hide what they're looking at when they come around |
| 16:59.35 | fozzmoo | Barcode tattoos! |
| 17:02.20 | jshipley | I don't like filters, but that's because, in my experience, they tend to be a bit extreme in their over-blocking, and they're usually easily circumventable |
| 17:02.39 | jshipley | I kind of group them with DRM -- they're supposed to stop people from doing stuff, but they don't |
| 17:02.54 | tensai | ssh-vulnkey doesn't work as well as I would hope |
| 17:03.08 | tensai | I had a public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and it failed to check it |
| 17:03.24 | tensai | even with -a, which claims to do just such a thing |
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| 17:05.08 | tensai | or maybe it did and I was using it wrong. oh well, whatever. problem fixed. |
| 17:05.15 | fozzmoo | tensai: yay! |
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| 17:40.52 | bonez451 | I just ran dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and yet, my /etc/X11/xorg.conf has nothing it it.. nothing specific about resolutions. what makes xorg.conf to reflect what's really in a system? |
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| 17:43.43 | unum | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200901/DSC00390.JPG |
| 17:43.50 | unum | I learn something new everyday from that site |
| 17:54.58 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:02.40 | sjansen | So I guess the Fox weather guy is recording in our parking lot right now. |
| 18:03.23 | high_roller | moon him |
| 18:04.37 | Sargun | sjansen, throw an AS/400 at him |
| 18:05.00 | Sargun | It'll cause BRAINS to LEAK from his SKULL. |
| 18:05.10 | sjansen | I'm trying to put together an angry mob to demonstrate what we do to Sendmail users. |
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| 18:35.18 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 18:35.19 | ibot | makes a balloon animal out of TimRiker |
| 18:35.23 | ^Migs^ | http://sometimesredsometimesblue.com |
| 18:35.24 | brac | [Sometimes Red, Sometimes Blue (.com) by Damon Zucconi, 2007] |
| 18:35.25 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 18:35.25 | ibot | sjansen: :) |
| 18:39.03 | bugQ | dude. it's red, but sometimes it's blue! |
| 18:41.09 | ^Migs^ | Totally! |
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| 18:41.36 | jlp_work | that site should have had an auto-refresh meta tag on it |
| 18:42.29 | ^Migs^ | yeah it should've |
| 18:42.40 | ^Migs^ | maybe that could be a request for version 2 |
| 18:54.48 | fungus | http://www.purple.com/ |
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| 19:13.13 | elg | heh, "what is your age? under 21, 22-30, 31-39, over 40, other (please specify)" |
| 19:13.39 | elg | wonders if that's a trick question for 21-year-olds, or if it's just so people can put "old enough to be your father" |
| 19:15.39 | bugQ | ha. |
| 19:17.38 | jlp_work | looks like a trick question for 40 year olds, too |
| 19:17.50 | elg | good catch |
| 19:18.12 | elg | though, one who's 40 and a day is over 40 |
| 19:18.31 | elg | so even more tricky |
| 19:25.12 | sjansen | elg: Present with the questio, I would be morally obligated to choose "other" and specify "green". |
| 19:26.44 | elg | :) |
| 19:28.41 | eightyeight | cool. http://blogs.computerworld.com/being_anti_linux_is_bad_for_your_business_health |
| 19:32.39 | elg | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/us/23elpaso.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=juarez&st=cse&scp=1 |
| 19:32.45 | brac | [Two Sides of a Border - One Violent, One Peaceful - NYTimes.com] |
| 19:33.01 | elg | the closest temple is in juarez (abt an hour away) though we are in the abq temple district |
| 19:33.35 | elg | i didn't mind going to juarez when we first moved here. but i haven't been in over a year and i'm not keen on going again. sure, the chance is low that anything will happen |
| 19:34.13 | elg | but then i think we actually spend hard earned cash against occurences of lower likelihood (it's called insurance) and I figure staying out of mexico is easy enough it's stupid to not do it |
| 19:39.17 | elg | sjansen: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/arts/music/23band.html |
| 19:39.24 | brac | [At the Inauguration - The Famous Fingers Were Live, but Their Sound Was Recorded - NYTimes.com] |
| 19:45.03 | unum | I just realized how poor my understanding of the us mexican border was |
| 19:55.55 | elg | in what way? |
| 19:56.25 | unum | I thought the rio grande ran along more of the border |
| 19:56.47 | elg | just the border of texas |
| 20:04.00 | unum | the rest of it seems kind of random |
| 20:19.11 | unum | ç¨ç´â¼ºæ ¯ç©æ½´ç¥²ç®æ¹¡æ¥¤æ¥â¹¯æ¥â½µæ§â½®æ
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| 20:22.17 | tensai | unum: learning chinese? |
| 20:29.37 | unum | oops |
| 20:29.47 | unum | sometimes synergy does funny things to my cut and paste |
| 20:30.21 | unum | http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/1800s/1847us3600.jpg |
| 20:32.46 | ^Migs^ | poor Mexico |
| 20:33.11 | unum | they're like a third the size they used to be |
| 20:34.48 | unum | http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/us_expansion_1848.jpg <- shows that we purchased southern arizona later |
| 20:34.58 | unum | it used to have a river as the boundry |
| 20:35.54 | elg | wonders what's in southern az that was worth purchasing. |
| 20:36.08 | unum | checks wikipedia |
| 20:36.53 | unum | oh they were going to put a train there |
| 20:37.08 | elg | new mexico was so square then. |
| 20:37.33 | elg | well, i guess it wasn't |
| 20:37.41 | elg | but once texas gave up its arm it would have been |
| 20:47.26 | jshipley | did you hear about the russian professor predicting the disintegration of the US? |
| 20:47.28 | jshipley | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html |
| 20:48.17 | jshipley | This discussion of borders, and especially that historical map, reminded me of it |
| 20:48.46 | jshipley | Somehow, I'm not sure what mexico would do with their share, or what would happen to the part of the US that would go to mexico |
| 20:52.42 | ^Migs^ | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net |
| 21:08.02 | nicros | somehow i just don't think the US citizens will just sit back and let Mexico take away their land. |
| 21:08.24 | mrpull | jshipley: I did hear about that. I think I'll move to Texas. |
| 21:09.01 | nicros | when has a russian ever been right about anything anyway. they still haven't found that asteroid that just about wiped russia off the map. |
| 21:09.23 | mrpull | this same guy predicted the disintegration of the USSR |
| 21:09.41 | jshipley | I doubt that it would end up like he's predicted, but I don't think that the disintegration of the US would be impossible |
| 21:09.46 | unum | mrpull: I think you misread that |
| 21:09.49 | mrpull | I did |
| 21:09.50 | mrpull | damnit |
| 21:09.54 | unum | he quotes someone else that predicted it |
| 21:09.56 | mrpull | :) |
| 21:10.05 | mrpull | that guy was FRENCH |
| 21:10.12 | nicros | damn... for a second i thought he had been right 100% of the time so far. |
| 21:10.13 | mrpull | and that is worse than russians being right |
| 21:10.20 | nicros | :) |
| 21:10.25 | unum | I think he overestimated utah's willingnes to pair up with california for one :) |
| 21:11.00 | unum | maybe we'll finally get the state of deseret |
| 21:11.07 | jshipley | lol, maybe utah would combine with Idaho, Arizona, Colorado, and Wyoming |
| 21:11.18 | nicros | it wouldn't take much more than the Utah National Guard to annex Mexico. |
| 21:11.40 | ^Migs^ | Utah should declare war on surrounding states |
| 21:11.55 | ^Migs^ | then we can become a superstate |
| 21:12.45 | jshipley | well, we'd probably have a smaller government... that would make some people happy |
| 21:12.55 | mrpull | I'm all for taking over mexico |
| 21:12.58 | mrpull | I love tacos |
| 21:13.01 | mrpull | and their beaches are nice |
| 21:13.11 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I'm down with tacos and beaches |
| 21:13.22 | mrpull | then again, if we destroy their economy it won't be such a nice place to vacation |
| 21:13.49 | nicros | we wouldn't destroy their economy, we would just replace it with ours. |
| 21:13.52 | ^Migs^ | perhaps the key is to slowly conquer Mexico one city at a time, and once each city is reformed, conquer another. |
| 21:14.01 | ^Migs^ | you certainly can't replace the entire economy at once |
| 21:14.25 | nicros | ^Migs^ - that sounds like their strategy and so far it's worked. |
| 21:15.23 | ^Migs^ | I'd totally support a U.S. invasion of Mexico |
| 21:15.30 | ^Migs^ | in the name of anti-terrorism |
| 21:16.08 | nicros | If only we still had Bush in office, wouldn't take much for someone to convinse him that Mexico is the new Iraq. |
| 21:17.32 | ^Migs^ | I think the Mexicans, for one, would welcome their new American overlords. |
| 21:17.40 | ^Migs^ | especially for the most problematic cities. |
| 21:17.51 | nicros | put an article on the front page of a Texas newspaper "Mexico discovers the largest untapped oil reserve in the world". |
| 21:17.56 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 21:18.23 | jshipley | couldn't we just invite them to join us, one city at a time? that seems a lot more effective than conquering |
| 21:18.33 | nicros | I think i would even enlist in the military if we went into Mexico |
| 21:18.50 | nicros | jshipley - it's not as much fun |
| 21:19.12 | ^Migs^ | no, because then they'd bring their problems with them |
| 21:19.40 | jshipley | we could invite them in, and then declare martial law and clean them up |
| 21:19.42 | ^Migs^ | at least if they stayed in Mexico, it would still technically be "Mexico's problem" |
| 21:19.51 | jshipley | that would still involve the army as much as conquering |
| 21:19.55 | ^Migs^ | man |
| 21:19.59 | ^Migs^ | that's actually not a bad idea |
| 21:20.04 | jshipley | there would probably be almost as much combat |
| 21:20.15 | jshipley | but you'd be fighting the gangs and such rather than all of the citizens |
| 21:20.17 | nicros | I think most Mexicans would be happy if every year we moved the border 100 miles further south. |
| 21:20.25 | ^Migs^ | yeah no kidding |
| 21:20.31 | nicros | that's less distance they have to cover to get into the US |
| 21:20.43 | jshipley | we'd have to legalize all of the illegals if we did that |
| 21:20.44 | ^Migs^ | Mexicans pretty much realize Mexico is a lost cause |
| 21:21.05 | jshipley | and Spanish would probably become an official second language |
| 21:21.11 | ^Migs^ | that's fine |
| 21:21.27 | ^Migs^ | not legalize ALL the illegals...just the ones we're conquering |
| 21:21.37 | nicros | i've got my Spanish down, i get my practice in every time i visit a fast food resturant. |
| 21:22.29 | jshipley | just the mexican illegals? yeah... I suppose we wouldn't legalize all the columbians, or the french that are here illegally |
| 21:23.23 | jshipley | well, it would be more than legalizing them... they'd pretty much become citizens |
| 21:23.28 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 21:23.34 | nicros | well, we couldn't just annex France and Columbia |
| 21:23.41 | jshipley | lol |
| 21:23.48 | jshipley | I wouldn't be against letting Canada in as well |
| 21:23.54 | ^Migs^ | Maybe we should declare France and Columbia the 51st and 52nd states, too |
| 21:24.03 | ^Migs^ | Canada has no reason to come in |
| 21:24.12 | jshipley | A lot of land, but not a lot of people... California has more people than Canada |
| 21:24.20 | Sargun | yeah |
| 21:24.21 | Sargun | we do. |
| 21:24.25 | ^Migs^ | I think Canada likes things the way they are up there |
| 21:24.31 | eightyeight | http://i40.tinypic.com/11tqy52.jpg |
| 21:24.35 | nicros | i suspect the only illegal french people in the US came down from Canada. |
| 21:24.36 | jshipley | Sure they do... they could become part of a united north america |
| 21:25.26 | jshipley | then they wouldn't have to get mad when people call us americans even though they technically live in the american continent too |
| 21:25.38 | eightyeight | i don't know if that freaks me out or not. :) |
| 21:26.14 | ^Migs^ | we live in TRUE America |
| 21:27.18 | jshipley | eightyeight: that's weird... you'd think you'd be able to notice more of a difference between the pictures. |
| 21:27.36 | eightyeight | very smooth |
| 21:28.20 | eightyeight | reminds me of the black/white music video from michael jackson in the '90s |
| 21:28.40 | ^Migs^ | I know, I was impressed |
| 21:29.04 | ^Migs^ | all my coworkers herded around my computer to admire it, too, lol |
| 21:29.58 | eightyeight | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/3001820616_8f8284f2d0.jpg?v=0 |
| 21:30.05 | eightyeight | now there's a freaky one |
| 21:30.16 | eightyeight | if mccain was black, and obama white |
| 21:30.42 | jshipley | white obama looks better than black mccain |
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| 21:36.17 | brac | frowns at Tene really really hard |
| 21:41.24 | fungus | Any color Obama looks better than even white Mccain |
| 21:41.51 | tensai | black mccain looks more like a really bad spray on tan |
| 21:43.46 | nicros | loves Tenes' domain. |
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| 21:57.55 | unum | scanning all ports for a /27 domain takes a really long time |
| 21:58.46 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:59.25 | unum | eightyeight: sorry I'm closing all the security holes ;) |
| 21:59.39 | unum | well atleast all the really obvious ones |
| 21:59.44 | eightyeight | good. i guess i'll close my backdoor connection then |
| 22:00.10 | unum | I think the new client testing feature went into place after you left |
| 22:00.34 | unum | but you can now ssh into the main server using an outside ip address |
| 22:01.37 | tedp | unum: are most ports blocked or dropped? |
| 22:01.46 | unum | tedp: most are dropped |
| 22:01.55 | tedp | i can see why that would be slow then :) |
| 22:02.01 | unum | ya |
| 22:02.44 | tensai | unum: check out scanrand from paketto keiretsu |
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| 22:04.30 | unum | tensai: thanks |
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| 22:24.25 | unum | tensai: holy cow that kicked butt |
| 22:24.30 | unum | thanks again |
| 22:24.38 | tensai | kaminsky is pretty cool |
| 22:46.29 | levi | You know, twitter is really a lame system. |
| 22:47.02 | levi | You can tell it's lame because the people who use it have had to develop a communication protocol on top of it. |
| 22:47.24 | levi | And it's a lousy, ad-hoc communication protocol. |
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| 22:48.01 | levi | A lousy, ad-hoc, undocumented, and noisy protocol. |
| 22:51.11 | Jayce^ | careful there levi, jesse might take offense :) |
| 22:51.26 | levi | That would just be too bad, eh? |
| 22:51.45 | levi | The rant was provoked by finally figuring out what the stupid 'RT' thing I keep seeing is. |
| 22:52.09 | levi | RT is lame, hash-tags are lame, and @replies are lame. |
| 22:53.45 | levi | Twitter also feels vaguely like being in a room full of people on their cell phones, where some of their conversation is to the room and some is to the people on the phones. |
| 22:54.49 | Jayce^ | how about the idiots thinkgin that the # of followers is some kind of score you have to max out :) |
| 22:55.14 | levi | That's lame, too, though it doesn't really impact on my experience. |
| 22:55.50 | Jayce^ | effects mine, always get people adding, the complaining because I don't add them back :) |
| 22:56.10 | levi | You never added me, so I never reply to you. :P |
| 22:57.07 | levi | Actually, you probably shouldn't, because I don't really say anything interesting on there anyway. |
| 22:57.24 | eightyeight | i don't mind the experience. it's another way to do chat rooms |
| 22:57.30 | Jayce^ | :) I'd add you if I felt I had a reason too, and maybe that's the main way I interacted with you |
| 22:57.36 | Jayce^ | but no, I have here, much more effective |
| 22:57.55 | levi | eightyeight: A horribly broken kind of chat room. |
| 22:58.33 | eightyeight | well, i don't follow the bubblegum chewing, "oh my gosh" crowd that seems to plague social apps |
| 22:59.19 | eightyeight | i follow mainly people i hold with respect, or that add decent technical conversation. if they're more noise than signal, i stop following |
| 22:59.55 | eightyeight | but, i admit the @reply is lame, mainly for the fact that i can't tab complete it, and have to type it out |
| 22:59.58 | levi | Maybe it's a little like lurking in a chat room. |
| 23:00.28 | levi | A chat room where you never really know who can hear one another. |
| 23:00.30 | eightyeight | i like the hashtags, though. i check them out on occasion. and the new groups on identica are interesting to follow discussion |
| 23:00.44 | Jayce^ | mac users should try: |
| 23:00.46 | Jayce^ | say -v Agnes 'do do,do do do.'{,,} & say -v Alex "douche,"{,,,,,,,} & say -v Bruce "The system, Is down."{,,} |
| 23:01.16 | eightyeight | it almost seems like the new way to do news, with news links posted, comments on blog posts, ond other things |
| 23:01.20 | levi | Well, what hashtags are trying to do is a good idea. What @replies try to do is a good idea. But the fact is, they're a protocol layer *above* twitter with no real client support. |
| 23:01.26 | eightyeight | although it's less authoritative, and more off the cuff |
| 23:01.49 | levi | The communication model is midly broken, but the technical infrastructure for it is total crap. |
| 23:01.55 | levi | s/midly/mildly/ |
| 23:02.15 | eightyeight | how does the twitter infrastructure compare to openmicroblogging? |
| 23:02.23 | eightyeight | i haven't looked at either, so i can't comment |
| 23:02.27 | levi | I don't really know. |
| 23:02.40 | levi | twitter is where all the people are, though. |
| 23:02.46 | eightyeight | i like the federation on OMB. much like xmpp |
| 23:02.58 | levi | Which is ultimately what makes a communication system useful. |
| 23:03.07 | eightyeight | yeah. twitter is top dog. identica is the oftc of microblogging |
| 23:03.51 | eightyeight | but, they're approaching 40K users |
| 23:03.58 | levi | The twitter service just doesn't *do* all the stuff people want to do with it. It's a poor match, and so now you see all sorts of raw protocol noise on it. |
| 23:04.41 | levi | I mean: RT @foo this is really cool #bar check it out! |
| 23:04.49 | levi | That's total garbage. |
| 23:04.52 | eightyeight | what is RT? |
| 23:04.56 | eightyeight | i've seen that |
| 23:05.03 | levi | It's a re-tweet, apparently. |
| 23:05.16 | eightyeight | which does what? overwrite a previous tweet? |
| 23:05.17 | levi | You liked foo's tweet, so you copy it verbatim so your followers can see it. |
| 23:05.24 | eightyeight | ahh |
| 23:06.35 | levi | And hashtags... |
| 23:06.49 | levi | You can't follow a hashtag, you have to use an RSS reader if you want to get it automatically. |
| 23:07.08 | levi | Requires all sorts of infrastructure *outside* of twitter to work. |
| 23:07.10 | eightyeight | yeah. that's why !groups are better in my mind |
| 23:07.24 | levi | Is that an identica thing? |
| 23:07.43 | eightyeight | yeah. released today. the idea is, someone sets up a group that anyone can join |
| 23:07.53 | eightyeight | then you post messages to the group with !group_name |
| 23:08.11 | eightyeight | even if you're not following that individual, you will see the post if you're in the same group |
| 23:08.36 | levi | Ahh, very nice. |
| 23:10.06 | eightyeight | there's still an rss feed to each group, but you don't really need it, as you see everything anyway |
| 23:12.39 | eightyeight | watching the system, it seems most are replacing !group with #hashtag, which i've actually been enjoying |
| 23:13.36 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: How do you post a message to !utah? |
| 23:13.56 | eightyeight | join the group, then just "hello !utah" or whatever |
| 23:14.12 | eightyeight | it won't post if you haven't joined it |
| 23:29.59 | *** join/#utah Rolcol (n=Rolcol@unaffiliated/rolcol) |
| 23:36.11 | *** join/#utah tristanbob (n=tristanr@ubuntu/member/tristanbob) |
| 23:36.43 | Sargun | levi, and then bar get's pissed off at your IRL for Twitterspamming him, and he beats you out of your mind. |
| 23:37.35 | Sargun | and then you attempt to retaliate, but forget you're a weak geek.. |
| 23:38.07 | eightyeight | what? |
| 23:39.18 | Sargun | so he throws you off a building after beating you to a pulp, and you're in bliss for the 1.618 ((1+(5*.5))/2) seconds before you hit the ground... |
| 23:39.23 | Sargun | mhmm, good. |
| 23:39.46 | eightyeight | yeah. that's exactly what happens. happens all the time |
| 23:40.42 | Sargun | mhmm. |
| 23:40.57 | Sargun | I hate twitter as a service, the idea is somewhat neat. |
| 23:50.29 | elg | -chat i hate |
| 23:50.29 | brac | i hate the useless work so much |
| 23:50.34 | elg | -chat i love |
| 23:50.34 | brac | i love the kindle |
| 23:50.53 | elg | -chat i find |
| 23:50.54 | brac | i find acceptable |
| 23:55.12 | jshipley | -chat I'd never |
| 23:55.12 | brac | I'd never wear it. i don't know if that's possible? |
| 23:58.23 | eightyeight | -chat even if |
| 23:58.24 | brac | even if nobody else would be too helpful |
| 23:59.01 | jshipley | -chat if only |
| 23:59.02 | brac | if only python was actually just a later revision on that day has already arrived you're living in a snowglobe bright and crystal clear" button |
