| 00:07.22 | Tene | http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/set-obamas-bar.html |
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| 00:35.47 | redbeard3 | introducing the height of laziness: you can now order dominos pizza on your tivo |
| 00:35.50 | redbeard3 | yay for america! |
| 00:37.42 | goozbach | yay for heading home! |
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| 00:56.08 | elg | tensai: you're welcome. deeelicious |
| 00:56.15 | elg | i accept all denominations |
| 00:56.19 | elg | except satanism |
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| 03:26.20 | levi | I originally thought that overcomingbias.com was a pretty cool blog, but my opinion of it has dropped with greater exposure to it. |
| 03:28.05 | levi | That must just be my bias speaking, though. ;) |
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| 04:05.28 | fozzmoo | levi: heh heh. |
| 04:23.03 | levi | tries to figure out why his torrent download speed is so pathetic. |
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| 04:53.42 | maquis | hello from provo |
| 04:54.09 | tensai | why would you go back there? |
| 04:55.33 | maquis | just hanging out right now |
| 04:56.40 | maquis | was hoping to get to utah preppers, since i was in town, but my flight was way late |
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| 05:08.04 | levi | 'preppers' makes me think of preppies. |
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| 06:00.12 | Supaplex | ~468074091/0 |
| 06:06.23 | findlay | hello |
| 06:06.34 | findlay | did I miss anything good? |
| 06:07.06 | findlay | ~say -chat ~lart Supaplex |
| 06:07.07 | ibot | -chat ~lart Supaplex |
| 06:07.07 | brac | ~lart Supaplex |
| 06:07.07 | ibot | gives Supaplex a good seeing to |
| 06:07.15 | Supaplex | sup |
| 06:07.21 | findlay | nothing |
| 06:07.46 | findlay | except a minor preconjugal detail |
| 06:07.59 | findlay | not that I'd say anything about that in here though |
| 06:08.05 | Supaplex | sounds personal |
| 06:09.28 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:21.11 | findlay | ~lart tomorrow |
| 06:21.11 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that tomorrow is stuck to the floor |
| 07:52.56 | Supaplex | ~lart mornings |
| 07:52.56 | ibot | raises middle finger to mornings |
| 07:54.59 | Sargun | How do you count from A to Z on the shell? |
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| 15:43.07 | eightyeight | alphabet="a b c"; for char in $alphabet; do echo $char; done |
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| 16:13.40 | MrTeye | when using mail...I hit 1 to view first piece of mail. How do I get back to the list of headers? |
| 16:14.06 | MrTeye | (centOS) |
| 16:14.41 | tensai | h |
| 16:14.55 | MrTeye | thanks |
| 16:15.06 | tensai | maybe. been a long time since I've used mail. |
| 16:15.29 | MrTeye | it's true. :) it works that is. |
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| 16:16.35 | ocz | ftp://hackers.myftp.biz |
| 16:16.36 | ocz | ftp://gnone.myvnc.com |
| 16:16.36 | ocz | ftp://tecnica.serveftp.com |
| 16:16.36 | ocz | ftp://descargas.serveblog.net |
| 16:16.37 | ocz | usuario tecnica |
| 16:16.39 | ocz | password tecnica |
| 16:16.41 | ocz | para los cuantro link , que los disfruten :P |
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| 16:24.53 | tensai | no good can come of those links I'm sure |
| 16:26.46 | jsmith | I'm sure. |
| 16:26.57 | jsmith | tensai: But you checked them out anyway, right? |
| 16:27.23 | tensai | shuffles his feet |
| 16:27.48 | pelaofeliz | 'cuantro'? |
| 16:28.22 | pelaofeliz | is that Mexican slang or something? |
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| 16:31.24 | tensai | ~onjoin -Jayce^ |
| 16:31.24 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 16:32.06 | tensai | pelaofeliz: argentine, I would guess, but I don't speak spanish |
| 16:32.21 | eightyeight | he was kickbanned in #ubuntu |
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| 16:36.03 | tensai | elg: I got to play the church pipe organ for the first time yesterday |
| 16:36.45 | tensai | very fun, and it sounds very different when the chapel is empty |
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| 16:41.53 | elg | fun |
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| 17:10.56 | eggyknap | got keys to all the buildings in the stake Sunday. I smell practice time :) |
| 17:47.38 | sjansen | Smells like teen spirit? |
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| 17:49.50 | RyanE | sjansen: only if young mens has just let out. |
| 17:51.41 | tensai | In the Garden of Eden, Baby |
| 18:04.02 | jlp_work | tensai: the thing I noticed most about playing on a pipe organ is the delayed feedback. you don't hear the notes right when you press the keys, so you just have to keep playing like everything is fine even when you mess up |
| 18:04.52 | tensai | jlp_work: or just don't make mistakes :) |
| 18:05.11 | jlp_work | heh, that's not always an option :-) |
| 18:05.52 | tensai | certainly not with me. my dad mentioned the same thing. I didn't notice any particular problem with it, but I was playing very slowly and deliberately, since this is all new to me. |
| 18:05.54 | jlp_work | I do love the sound of a pipe organ, though... and it just feels different from an electronic one |
| 18:06.41 | jlp_work | like when you open the expression pedal and you hear the shutters on the pipe room slide open |
| 18:06.50 | tensai | tuple: I need to ask you about stops sometime too. I picked a few for that song that to me sound good. my organ doesn't have any of the recommended ones. |
| 18:06.52 | jlp_work | you just don't get that with an electronic organ |
| 18:07.33 | tensai | I tried that out last night and noticed that. took a while for the volume to increase too, like 3-4 seconds. |
| 18:07.45 | eightyeight | our pipe organ at church has to "warm up" for lack of a better phrase. you power it on, and about 3 seconds later, you're ready to play |
| 18:08.15 | jlp_work | yeah, you have to wait for the blowers to get up to speed |
| 18:09.11 | eightyeight | it auto powers off too, which is annoying |
| 18:09.37 | eightyeight | if you sit idle for maybe 30 minutes, you need to power it back on, and wait the 3s |
| 18:10.39 | MrTeye | centos after I look at at a message in mail does it disappear? |
| 18:10.53 | tensai | tuple: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/organ/organ.txt is the stops list. could you recommend a combination for herzliebster jesu? |
| 18:10.54 | eightyeight | it's old though, but fun to play |
| 18:11.17 | tensai | MrTeye: mail moves it from /var/spool/mail to ~/mbox |
| 18:11.42 | MrTeye | Thanks |
| 18:11.44 | eightyeight | tensai: do you own a pair of organ shoes when you play? |
| 18:12.04 | eightyeight | i'm interested in getting a pair at a good price locally if i can |
| 18:12.10 | tensai | eightyeight: I don't own any at any time. I just use my steel toe boots. |
| 18:12.38 | unum | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7841486.stm <- mcnealy has been asked to prepare a report for obama about the reasons the federal government should switch to open source |
| 18:12.41 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Technology | Calls for open source government] |
| 18:13.13 | eightyeight | unum: mcnealy on open source is like dick cheney on government transparency |
| 18:13.23 | eightyeight | (quote from a friend) |
| 18:14.15 | unum | I'd really like to see the government at least commit to open formats, it's stupid not to |
| 18:14.26 | unum | supposedly obama has already committed to odf |
| 18:14.34 | tuple | tensai: it does depend on the size of the room |
| 18:14.44 | tuple | and the position of the console |
| 18:14.51 | tensai | tuple: it's about this big: |-----------------------| |
| 18:15.06 | tensai | (not to scale) |
| 18:15.14 | tuple | i was floored when i played the tabernacle organ, where the console is far enough away to make the effect very very noticeable |
| 18:15.26 | RyanE | and the console is here: |--X-------------------| :) |
| 18:15.26 | tuple | and then you have the n-second reverb too to deal with |
| 18:16.16 | tuple | tensai: i hope you're kidding about the steel-toe boots :) |
| 18:16.20 | tuple | better to go barefoot |
| 18:16.24 | tensai | you can see the console here: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/organ/0617081849.jpg |
| 18:16.26 | tuple | i have organ shoes |
| 18:16.40 | tuple | yeah see you're right in front of it |
| 18:16.42 | tensai | tuple: yes, I removed my shoes. left the socks on though. |
| 18:16.45 | tuple | you're not going to hear any delay |
| 18:17.00 | MrTeye | I have a web server that i slower than crap. When accessing a page that uses the DB it's slow. When accessing via SSH it's slow. When I pull up a file that is not connected to the DB it works just fine... Any ideas or do I need lots more info? |
| 18:17.03 | RyanE | I wonder. I've heard the console in the Conference Center can be played separately from the actual organ (like an electronic). If you were to do that, does it simulate the delay? |
| 18:17.13 | MrTeye | *is |
| 18:17.41 | MrTeye | also...after ssh finally connects it seems to run fine. |
| 18:17.41 | tensai | MrTeye: how do you measure and define "slow"? |
| 18:17.43 | tuple | RyanE: not likely, but they mihgt |
| 18:17.53 | tensai | MrTeye: that sounds like a dns resolution error |
| 18:17.58 | tensai | check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:18.00 | tuple | the tabernacle and conf center organ consoles are portable |
| 18:18.12 | tensai | tuple: are the potable? |
| 18:18.15 | tensai | s/the/they/ |
| 18:18.17 | MrTeye | takes 60 second to load a page that doesn't usually take more than <5. |
| 18:18.22 | RyanE | I knew the conf center one was, didn't know the tabernacle one was. |
| 18:18.41 | tuple | yeah, they move them around to accomodate the various setups |
| 18:18.55 | tuple | plus, there's probably no speakers in the console |
| 18:18.55 | MrTeye | k |
| 18:19.10 | RyanE | I would've thought with the Tabernacle organ being so dang old, it would be a permanent installation. |
| 18:19.11 | tuple | the electronics are probably played through speakers located by the pipes |
| 18:19.14 | tuple | or throughout the building |
| 18:19.23 | tensai | RyanE: it's been renovated a few times |
| 18:19.29 | RyanE | I suppose so. |
| 18:19.34 | tuple | and it's not as old as all that |
| 18:19.38 | tuple | not as old as the tabernacle |
| 18:19.44 | MrTeye | tensai: what am I looking for I have 2 nameserver's |
| 18:19.51 | RyanE | parts of it are pretty close to that old. |
| 18:20.20 | RyanE | at a concert a year ago, one of the organists played a song that played out both the front and the back ranks of pipes. It was unexpected, and quite cool. |
| 18:20.34 | tuple | yeah |
| 18:20.36 | tensai | MrTeye: do they both respond? try "dig yahoo.com @nameserver1" and "dig yahoo.com @nameserver2" |
| 18:20.44 | tuple | and of course the back ranks have a different delay for the organist than the front ones :) |
| 18:21.10 | RyanE | I'm sure he had a big grin on his face as you could audibly hear the audience gasp. |
| 18:21.27 | tuple | surround sound ;) |
| 18:22.07 | eightyeight | unum: i hope to see more adaption to open standards in the government, for sure. especially odf |
| 18:22.26 | tuple | tensai: one thing that *can* happen, is that the organist tries to follow the congregation, which is getting the sound later than the organist is, which causes the organist to grumble about the stupid slow singers but slow down anyway... feedback loop |
| 18:22.27 | tensai | RyanE: last renovated in 1988. http://elliottrl.tripod.com/tab/spec.html |
| 18:22.29 | brac | [Pipe Organs of Temple Square] |
| 18:22.49 | tuple | if the organist is under an overhang so that the sound doesn't come directly to him before reverb, the problem gets worse |
| 18:22.58 | tuple | you just have to keep tempo and realize that they're not really behind |
| 18:23.27 | tensai | you don't really want to listen to them sing anyway |
| 18:23.31 | tuple | and now you know one of the factors behind why people sing so slow in sacrament |
| 18:23.39 | tuple | the other being old grandmas leading the music |
| 18:24.17 | MrTeye | tensai: 53 msec. |
| 18:24.39 | RyanE | hey, I hope grandma goes even slower when I'm supposed to speak. I also hope we're singing all 23 verses of "Praise to the Man". :) |
| 18:25.34 | RyanE | Cool. I wonder how often the Tabernacle organist hits the ' |
| 18:25.34 | RyanE | Nauvoo Bell button |
| 18:25.38 | tensai | elg: even without the audio delay I've noticed that groups tend to wait to hear the note before they decide to sing, which gives them a 1/2 second or so delay |
| 18:27.56 | elg | yup |
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| 18:30.40 | tensai | elg: so it sounds like I'm going to have to pick stops myself, which will be fun. what sort of sound should I be looking for for each of the parts? |
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| 18:31.17 | elg | i will get around to giving you some ideas, but picking your own is definitely fun |
| 18:32.35 | elg | the melody is the top hand |
| 18:32.40 | elg | give it a reedy sound |
| 18:32.56 | eightyeight | i prefer oboe |
| 18:32.56 | elg | the left hand should be rather subdued |
| 18:32.58 | elg | flutey |
| 18:33.18 | sjansen | MyTeye: If you were still, I'd bet your SSH issues were DNS / IPv6 related. |
| 18:33.20 | elg | the bass should blend well with the left hand, but be distinct |
| 18:33.37 | elg | the pedal is its own kind of melody too, though it's not the chorale melody |
| 18:33.54 | elg | i think principal(s) |
| 18:34.16 | elg | of course you can play with combinations of stops to get different textures, but those are the qualities i'd go for |
| 18:35.00 | elg | and whatever you do make sure it has that nice haunty spooky feeling ;) |
| 18:36.08 | Sargun_Screen | What's that thing called where you store your replacement wheel |
| 18:36.11 | Sargun_Screen | for your car |
| 18:36.27 | MrTeye | lol not 100% sure what I'm looking for with the dig.. still having problems. It's been slow all day...This happens once a week or so. |
| 18:37.08 | Sargun_Screen | Wheel well? |
| 18:37.24 | tensai | MrTeye: if one of the servers didn't respond, that would indicate a problem. or if they were slow to respond. |
| 18:38.22 | tensai | tcpdump and or strace may help. I don't have time just now to go into details on their usage though. |
| 18:40.02 | mrpull | RyanE: you reminded me to look something up that had been bugging me forever (well 2.5 years) |
| 18:40.22 | mrpull | KSL stopped playing a bell sound at the top of the hour for a while |
| 18:40.37 | mrpull | many made a big deal about it, but I never knew why |
| 18:40.55 | RyanE | mrpull: they announced that they were going to stop for some reason or another... I remember that, but I also don't remember why. And it seems they're back to it now. |
| 18:40.57 | mrpull | reading up now, I guess they broadcast the actual nauvoo bell live every hour |
| 18:40.58 | Sargun_Screen | KSL? |
| 18:41.11 | RyanE | yeah, KSL radio |
| 18:41.17 | mrpull | the switch to digital radio introduced a 7 second delay |
| 18:41.19 | RyanE | 1160 AM, 102.7 FM in SLC |
| 18:41.30 | mrpull | their engineers fudged a way to mix it in apparently |
| 18:41.42 | MrTeye | tensai: thanks for the direction. |
| 18:41.46 | mrpull | I never knew what the bell was, nor did I know it was live |
| 18:41.53 | mrpull | so that is pretty dang cool |
| 18:42.06 | mrpull | if I had access to that organ I'd ring that bell like crazy |
| 18:42.29 | mrpull | Sargun_Screen: KSL is the biggest radio/tv broadcaster in the state |
| 18:42.50 | RyanE | mrpull: yeah, and everyone would think it's the top of the hour... :) |
| 18:42.53 | mrpull | when the atmosphere is just right, you can get 1160 AM thousands of miles away |
| 18:42.58 | RyanE | "more Nauvoo Bell!" |
| 18:43.00 | RyanE | "more Nauvoo Bell!" |
| 18:43.11 | mrpull | RyanE: I've got a fever! |
| 18:43.16 | RyanE | heh |
| 18:43.51 | tensai | we get ksl up here, but it's rebroadcast |
| 18:45.27 | Sargun_Screen | oh. |
| 18:48.36 | Sargun_Screen | I need UML for erlang. |
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| 18:57.36 | MrTeye | So I have some debug info from my SSH connection attempt...Does this tell me anything usefull? http://pastebin.com/d470b1215 |
| 18:57.59 | MrTeye | it's pasued at the 3rd key: for bout 30 seconds. |
| 18:59.48 | toofer | You mean it's still stuck there? |
| 19:00.02 | toofer | The message indicates that it's waiting for a password |
| 19:00.13 | Sargun_Screen | I feel like killing the guy in front of me |
| 19:00.31 | Sargun_Screen | I want to take my laptop, and hit him in the head |
| 19:00.33 | Sargun_Screen | until he dies. |
| 19:00.42 | MrTeye | Before it waits for a password it pauses for bout 20 seconds. |
| 19:00.53 | Sargun_Screen | The issue is that it's a Mac :-P |
| 19:01.00 | eminentsedition1 | Is anyone using a central config managment |
| 19:01.02 | Sargun_Screen | MrTeye: can you get into the system at all? |
| 19:01.08 | MrTeye | that's where I'm coming from. |
| 19:01.11 | MrTeye | yeah |
| 19:01.53 | tensai | eminentsedition1: starting to use puppet |
| 19:02.00 | eminentsedition1 | how is it |
| 19:02.28 | tensai | great so far |
| 19:02.42 | tensai | got about 10 boxes using it |
| 19:02.49 | tensai | makes new builds much much much simpler |
| 19:03.50 | eminentsedition1 | cool I have over 300 servers and growing they come in groups of 10 that are exactly the same. |
| 19:04.20 | eminentsedition1 | I will read up on it thanks. |
| 19:04.28 | tensai | if you're using puppet from debian stable it's really old (what in stable isn't?). I had to build from source instead. |
| 19:05.07 | eminentsedition1 | we use fedora and ubunto |
| 19:06.52 | Sargun_Screen | MrTeye: does it take as long to do su - |
| 19:07.23 | MrTeye | no. |
| 19:08.36 | Sargun_Screen | I cannot concenrtate as long as the guy in front of me is alive. |
| 19:09.15 | Sargun_Screen | MrTeye: have you tried to setup an ssh key? |
| 19:09.48 | MrTeye | No... It's not my server yet. We restarted ssh and it seemed to allow the weber server to respond faster. |
| 19:10.43 | Sargun_Screen | odd.... |
| 19:10.54 | Sargun_Screen | reinstall :-P |
| 19:10.58 | MrTeye | lol |
| 19:11.53 | MrTeye | admin changed sshd.config -> dont' use dns. Now ssh is much faster...any ideas? |
| 19:14.18 | Sargun_Screen | your dns server is broken.... |
| 19:14.24 | Sargun_Screen | your isp may suck |
| 19:21.07 | sjansen | tensai: Whoa there buckaroo. Before suggesting that someone pull out strace, how about a simple ssh -vvv? |
| 19:22.47 | tensai | I stand by strace as a very useful tool. it seems that the delay is likely occurring on the server side, and an ssh -vvv likely won't show what the server is doing |
| 19:23.04 | tensai | so strace the running sshd and see |
| 19:23.24 | tensai | overkill, maybe. but effective, definitely. |
| 19:23.38 | eminentsedition1 | Teye reverse DNS entry is incorrect or does not exist. |
| 19:23.40 | eightyeight | why is 'sudo' on opensuse 11 requiring root's password, and not mine? am i missing something? |
| 19:24.14 | unum | is anyone in here looking for an admin job in the ogden area? if so pm me your email address and I'll send you a job posting |
| 19:24.43 | eminentsedition1 | If it pays over 200K I will work anywhere |
| 19:25.05 | sjansen | MrTeye: We told you it was DNS. |
| 19:25.15 | MrTeye | I know. |
| 19:25.29 | unum | there's no pay range in the posting, but that's probably a little high for a starting salery for this position |
| 19:25.45 | unum | though the company does pay pretty well |
| 19:25.46 | sjansen | We're either overwhelmingly awesome or psychic. Maybe both. |
| 19:25.56 | mrpull | 200K Celery? |
| 19:26.35 | unum | actually there's two job, thap pay may not be out of line for the second one |
| 19:26.42 | unum | but you have to admin solaris :) |
| 19:30.49 | eminentsedition1 | open solaris |
| 19:31.46 | goozbach | eeek solaris |
| 19:31.50 | goozbach | can't pay me enough |
| 19:32.28 | sjansen | You can pay me enough. $200k is a good start. |
| 19:32.45 | Jayce^ | ... The grabbing hands.. grab all they can.. |
| 19:32.46 | sjansen | Windows on the other hand... |
| 19:33.01 | MrTeye | more news...disabled reverse dns lookup with mysql connections and everything is running great! What are my options? |
| 19:33.02 | jsmith | goozbach: Amen, brother... better to have a serious case of "poor but happy" than a case of the "rich but hating life" |
| 19:33.13 | goozbach | nods to jsmith |
| 19:33.23 | jsmith | MrTeye: Figure out why DNS is broken, and fix it perchance? |
| 19:33.32 | goozbach | I happily powered off the last soliairs box about a month ago |
| 19:33.35 | sjansen | I think I could be happy admin'ing most Unix. Even AIX. |
| 19:33.36 | goozbach | it was SWEET! |
| 19:33.49 | eightyeight | ahh found it. opensuse: epic fail |
| 19:33.50 | goozbach | it had a pretty awesome uptime |
| 19:34.21 | goozbach | it was a little under 1500 days |
| 19:34.32 | jsmith | went from IRIX to Solaris to Linux, and wouldn't go back to Solaris, but *might* be talked into using IRIX again |
| 19:34.45 | eightyeight | sjansen: i don't mind the HP/UX and Solaris boxes we have. however, i told my coworker that he'd have to admin the windows server. i won't touch them |
| 19:34.58 | Jayce^ | jsmith, if anybody still ran it :-p |
| 19:35.43 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah... funny how nobody really uses it anymore... I can't imagine why... |
| 19:38.21 | eightyeight | exit |
| 19:38.24 | eightyeight | meh |
| 19:38.52 | eightyeight | working in a vm, lost my mouse with synergy, and when i typed exit for my terminal, and went here. :) |
| 19:38.52 | eminentsedition1 | I love when you call a hardware vendor of some obsure product and tell them you have x proplem and there only responce is That should happen. |
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| 19:40.41 | tensai | I've got one hpux with 1712 days uptime. it better never go down as it's long been end of life. |
| 19:40.58 | jsmith | tensai: Ouch... |
| 19:41.10 | tensai | jsmith: it's the softswitch |
| 19:42.57 | jsmith | tensai: Even worse... |
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| 20:12.16 | sjansen | http://jalopnik.com/5135675/where-are-automakers-stashing-unsold-cars |
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| 20:18.44 | craver | tensai - i had a machine like that awhile ago, problem was as soon as we shut it down and the disks cooled, they cracked. |
| 20:19.00 | craver | never booted again |
| 20:19.44 | craver | hates HPUX anyway |
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| 20:23.03 | Sargun | I hope USB3 has better support for high speed mass storage devices |
| 20:29.27 | levi | sjansen: That site also reveals the identity of the Stig. |
| 20:30.10 | sjansen | The Stig? |
| 20:30.36 | levi | ... |
| 20:30.52 | levi | Dude, you haven't seen Top Gear? |
| 20:32.48 | levi | sjansen: You need to go find some Top Gear episodes. |
| 20:34.54 | sjansen | I've only seen a couple. Too much hassle this side of the pond. |
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| 20:38.21 | levi | You can always grab them from here: http://www.finalgear.com/ |
| 20:42.27 | toofer | Oh man, Top Gear is about the best car show I've ever seen |
| 20:42.28 | toofer | ! |
| 20:45.01 | sjansen | Argh. A picture of the new Doctor. |
| 20:45.10 | sjansen | *anger rising* |
| 20:45.13 | sjansen | *must smash* |
| 20:45.31 | sjansen | smash |
| 20:45.32 | Tene_ | Um, why? |
| 20:45.57 | sjansen | ~smash new Doctor |
| 20:47.08 | ibot | ACTION flings an anvil in new Doctor's general direction |
| 20:47.12 | sjansen | Docto Who shouldn't be younger than me. |
| 20:47.12 | sjansen | Not yet, anyway. |
| 20:47.12 | Tene_ | That's... really weird to be so emotional about. |
| 20:47.13 | sjansen | The Doctor isn't some young punk with too much hair. He's a Time Lord. |
| 20:47.13 | sjansen | A Time Lord! |
| 20:47.13 | elg | definitely too much hair |
| 20:47.19 | sjansen | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/4124547/Matt-Smith-is-the-eleventh-and-youngest-actor-to-play-Doctor-Who.html |
| 20:47.58 | sjansen | ^-- Does that smirking youngster straight out of grade school look like a Time Lord? |
| 20:48.15 | sjansen | No! He looks like his mother still packs his lunches, not like a Time Lord! |
| 20:48.16 | elg | they should cast sjansen |
| 20:50.18 | sjansen | Uhm... I don't look much like a Time Lord either. |
| 20:51.01 | Tene_ | sjansen: does he ever actually identify himself as "Doctor Who" in the show? All I've ever seen him identify himself as is "The Doctor" |
| 20:51.17 | Tene_ | "Doctor Who" being the name of the show as a reference to him being asked ot identify himself further. |
| 20:52.12 | Tene_ | Here, I'll IM you something demonstrating why he was chosen. |
| 20:52.34 | fungus | sjansen: for a show as long running as Doctor Who, it is eventually going to have to have a Doctor younger than you. |
| 20:53.39 | Tene_ | sjansen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Doctor_Who) refers to him only as "the Doctor" |
| 20:53.48 | sjansen | fungus: But not yet! |
| 20:53.58 | elg | Tene_: hey we want the something too |
| 20:54.14 | Jayce^ | sjansen, give in to the realization that you are now officially, *old*.. |
| 20:54.23 | Jayce^ | it's no longer just a joke about the youngsters on the lawn |
| 20:54.25 | fungus | lol. Someone has issues with aging. |
| 20:54.28 | tensai | Tene_: as I understand it, he's The Doctor and the question everybody asks is "Doctor Who?", so the title is a lame pun |
| 20:54.45 | sjansen | I'm exactly 3 decades old. Far as I'm concerned that's also the absolute minimum for the Doctor. |
| 20:55.47 | Jayce^ | and next year it'll be 3 decades + 1 |
| 20:56.12 | Tene_ | sjansen: isn't the doctor some six or seven hundred years old? |
| 20:56.58 | fungus | But they need actors that will appeal to a younger generation, all the hardcore Doctor Who fans are dying off. :) |
| 20:57.07 | sjansen | Exactly! Any actor playing man who measures his age in centuries had darn well better be able to shave! |
| 20:57.33 | Jayce^ | oh great, base the age off the shaving needs.... freaking bigot! |
| 20:57.45 | Jayce^ | I always knew you hated our kind! |
| 20:57.52 | fungus | sjansen, it's called *acting* for a reason. |
| 20:59.12 | sjansen | Now Christopher Eccleston, there was a great doctor. Young enough for marketing, mature enough to be taken seriously. |
| 21:00.10 | fungus | Yeah, but he was good enough for a real job. |
| 21:02.46 | sjansen | fungus: There's acting, and then there's delusion. Matt Damon as Jason Bourne is acting. Summer Glau as a robot is acting (and really good marketing). Mike Tyson as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, that's delusion. |
| 21:04.02 | fungus | and Matt Smith as the Doctor is acting |
| 21:06.18 | sjansen | ~silence fungus |
| 21:06.31 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in fungus's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 21:07.39 | MrTeye | ~silence ibot |
| 21:07.40 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in ibot's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 21:10.26 | elg | sjansen: could be worse |
| 21:10.30 | elg | they could cast an american |
| 21:10.40 | sjansen | faints |
| 21:11.13 | Jayce^ | elg++ |
| 21:11.25 | Jayce^ | elg as the next doctor! |
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| 21:11.45 | fungus_ | needs a UPS |
| 21:13.20 | elg | ~sell fungus a ups |
| 21:13.21 | ibot | ACTION gives fungus a ups to the nearest poor soul and pays them a quid. jbot runs away. |
| 21:20.54 | sjansen | I could be talked into accepting elg as the Doctor. Especially if I get to exterminated by a Dalek of converted to a Cyberman in a cameo. |
| 21:21.18 | sjansen | elg: You'd do that for me, wouldn't you? |
| 21:21.38 | jsmith | sjansen: +1 from me |
| 21:21.54 | elg | I'm thinking sontaran |
| 21:22.02 | elg | thumped by a sontaran |
| 21:22.20 | unum | I think my ups died when it saved my condo.... |
| 21:22.34 | elg | you have an electronic condo? |
| 21:22.45 | jsmith | Did your condo have a surge? |
| 21:22.58 | jsmith | (and if it saved the condo, does that mean the whole condo was plugged into it?) |
| 21:22.59 | elg | maybe he shipped it across the country |
| 21:23.14 | unum | my power supply short circuted and the ups shut off it's power |
| 21:23.42 | elg | your condo has an independent power supply? |
| 21:23.46 | unum | when I turned the computer on later(not knowing why it had shut down) sparks shut out the back |
| 21:24.00 | tensai | ~forget cmd: sell (.*?) |
| 21:24.00 | ibot | i forgot cmd: sell (.*?), tensai |
| 21:24.15 | elg | ooh, did it catch your curtains on fire? |
| 21:24.20 | unum | then when my brother went to test the computer(I wasn't completely clear when I said "the power supply is bad") |
| 21:24.24 | tensai | ~sell $elg is <action> sells $elg to a passing bunch of Ishmaelites |
| 21:24.25 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 21:24.25 | unum | flames shot out the back |
| 21:24.45 | unum | so if my ups hadn't shut off power to the computer I think I would have had flames |
| 21:24.46 | elg | ~sell tensai |
| 21:24.47 | ibot | ACTION sells tensai to a passing bunch of Ishmaelites |
| 21:24.48 | unum | and I wasn't there |
| 21:25.17 | tensai | Jayce^: true to form, my wife complained the other day when I starting playing Joseph |
| 21:25.23 | tensai | it was bound to happen |
| 21:25.25 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 21:25.47 | tensai | she said the songs get stuck in her head |
| 21:25.48 | elg | joseph is awesome |
| 21:25.56 | elg | that's why they're awesome |
| 21:26.57 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 21:27.06 | Jayce^ | even better when the kids start singing them |
| 21:28.52 | tensai | speaking of songs, I've started getting complements on my music on hold progress tones |
| 21:29.01 | tensai | at first people were confused but now they're diggin' it |
| 21:29.27 | elg | what are they? |
| 21:30.35 | tensai | mostly jonathan coulton |
| 21:30.42 | toofer | an hold progress tone? yeah what is that? |
| 21:30.57 | tensai | custom ring back on my phone |
| 21:31.08 | tensai | when you call me, instead of hearing "ring ring", it plays mp3s |
| 21:31.20 | tensai | it's quite simple to do with asterisk |
| 21:31.39 | elg | i kind of prefer ringing |
| 21:32.51 | jsmith | prefers electronic (non-bell) ring tones |
| 21:33.04 | tensai | but ringing doesn't screw up automated dialers like music can |
| 21:33.27 | Jayce^ | and there you have plenty of reason to do it |
| 21:33.38 | elg | well, no reason not to have nonstandard ringing |
| 21:33.42 | elg | as long as it's still ringing |
| 21:33.45 | elg | to me music says "on hold" |
| 21:34.13 | tensai | first alison asks the person to hold while she finds the person in question. so it is on hold. |
| 21:36.47 | sjansen | Custom ring backs could lead the the death of automated dialers?! |
| 21:37.09 | sjansen | Okay, I've totally changed my opinion. They're not stupid and annoying anymore. |
| 21:37.45 | eightyeight | elg: gah. could you make those pictures any bigger? :) |
| 21:37.46 | elg | well i guess if alison flirts with the caller first it's not too bad |
| 21:37.57 | elg | they're not that big |
| 21:38.06 | eightyeight | they're not that small either |
| 21:38.11 | elg | what you see is full size |
| 21:38.25 | elg | oh, actually they're rather large |
| 21:38.37 | elg | i didn't realize my new blog template was autoresizing them. |
| 21:38.55 | eightyeight | yeah. my feed reader took some time to download them |
| 21:40.18 | tensai | ~lart elg for changing his rss url |
| 21:40.18 | ibot | changes elg's permissions to 0777 and tells the world for changing his rss url |
| 21:40.58 | elg | i thought my connection was just being slow ;) |
| 21:41.32 | levi | Silly elg. :) |
| 21:42.28 | tensai | elg: the images don't show in my feed reader. I found I have to fully qualify the img url. |
| 21:43.34 | elg | there, that's better |
| 21:43.44 | elg | tensai: sounds like your feed reader sucketh |
| 21:44.30 | levi | David Tennant doesn't exactly look old, either. |
| 21:44.43 | levi | (to sjansen) |
| 21:47.04 | sjansen | Yeah, I've been complaining about David Tennant for the last three years. Just not as loudly. |
| 21:48.17 | elg | i wasn't sure about tennant at first, but he made an excellent doctor |
| 21:51.18 | goozbach | Eccleson was a good Doctor |
| 21:51.41 | goozbach | but I haven't been watching since the middle of that series anyway |
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| 21:51.45 | goozbach | so I really don't care |
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| 22:06.59 | levi | I randomly watched a Doctor Who episode the other night. Turned out to be a Tennant rerun. It's the second episode I've seen since they revived the show, and I liked it. |
| 22:08.29 | levi | It was kind of weird the way they combine old low-budget effects with new CGI effects, though. |
| 22:08.43 | fozzmoo | Well, it is Dr. Who, after all. |
| 22:09.02 | levi | Well, the one I know and love only has old low-budget effects. :) |
| 22:09.23 | fozzmoo | At the time, the effects were probably cutting edge... but done poorly nonetheless. :) |
| 22:11.01 | fozzmoo | I pulled out Star Trek First Contact last weekend and watched it. |
| 22:11.11 | fozzmoo | My 10-year old came down and said, "Where's Kirk?!" |
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| 22:11.30 | levi | How's your 10-year-old know about Kirk? |
| 22:11.56 | fozzmoo | because I've been DVRing the CG-improved Star Trek re-runs and watching them. |
| 22:12.05 | fozzmoo | So, she's probably had more recent exposure to ST:TOS than anything else. |
| 22:12.08 | jsmith | levi: What, yours doesn't... shoot... my six-year-old knows who Kirk is. |
| 22:12.10 | levi | Ahh, nice. :) |
| 22:12.25 | levi | jsmith: My kids aren't old enough to know who Kirk is yet. |
| 22:12.32 | jsmith | levi: Gotcha |
| 22:12.39 | levi | But boy, they'll know their Star Trek. |
| 22:12.52 | levi | Their mom is a bigger fan than I am. |
| 22:12.59 | fozzmoo | What's funny is when we watch old home movies from when she was a baby, maybe it's a coincidence, but it seems the TV's always on and ST:DS9 is on. |
| 22:13.10 | jsmith | levi: My wife is a much bigger trek fan than I am too |
| 22:14.35 | levi | My parents unknowingly got her the bootleg version of Voyager a couple of Christmases ago. I think she's been through the entire thing at least 3 times now. |
| 22:14.38 | fozzmoo | I cried at the end of The Search For Spock. :) |
| 22:15.03 | levi | The DVD releases of Trek series are absurdly expensive, though. :/ |
| 22:15.10 | toofer | You guys are truly nerds to be admired. |
| 22:15.26 | goozbach | wow, super-nerds |
| 22:15.26 | levi | I got her the entire 10-series run of SG-1 for ~$200. |
| 22:15.30 | goozbach | almost ultra-nerds |
| 22:15.45 | fozzmoo | toofer: And you're in #utah with us. Game on. |
| 22:15.47 | toofer | I'm a fan of Triumph the insulting comic dog version of hanging with Spok. |
| 22:16.01 | goozbach | the nerds, which are beaten up and have their lunch money by chess club nerds |
| 22:16.02 | toofer | fozzmoo: well said |
| 22:16.21 | jsmith | goozbach: Exactly... got time for a game? |
| 22:16.50 | goozbach | jsmith: chess? |
| 22:16.53 | goozbach | buhahaha |
| 22:16.57 | goozbach | mehahahah |
| 22:17.00 | unum | I don't think I've ever dated a trekkie |
| 22:17.28 | unum | I guess my first girl friend would watch ng sometimes, possibly more often then I ever did |
| 22:17.30 | levi | I don't think my wife was aware of her latent trekkie tendencies before we married. |
| 22:17.36 | unum | but she just watched a lot of tv |
| 22:18.59 | jsmith | levi: Mine was fully aware of her Trekish tendencies. She had more boxes of Trek books than I had boxes of all my possessions! |
| 22:19.21 | levi | Wow. :) |
| 22:20.51 | fozzmoo | I gave almot all my Trek book to the DI a couple year ago. |
| 22:20.56 | fozzmoo | I had quite a few too. |
| 22:21.39 | levi | My embarrasing geeky books are all Robotech and Battletech books. I had all of the Robotech ones. |
| 22:22.34 | unum | I have the nitpickers guide to star trek nng |
| 22:22.36 | tensai | elg: in those graphs of the chirps recorded through speakers, it looks like the speakers are creating harmonics up the octaves. is that right? |
| 22:22.41 | unum | s/nng/ng |
| 22:22.44 | fozzmoo | One of my best friends was a Transformers comic and action figure collector into our teens. |
| 22:23.01 | fozzmoo | Probably still has a few. |
| 22:23.24 | MrTeye | One of my friends was a transformer. |
| 22:23.26 | elg | there are some harmonics yes. probably resonances of the phone or the mic or the room or who knows what |
| 22:23.27 | levi | fozzmoo: One of my best friends in high school probably still collects comics and action figures. |
| 22:24.04 | tensai | elg: how did you generate that graph? |
| 22:25.18 | elg | thought you'd never ask |
| 22:25.39 | elg | with octave |
| 22:25.52 | elg | i'll blog it |
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| 22:46.01 | mrpull-x | brilliant! (guinness voice) |
| 22:47.23 | mrpull-x | playing with mobile term + ssh + weechat |
| 22:47.51 | mrpull-x | now where is the ctrl button!? |
| 22:55.06 | Tene_ | ibot: logs? |
| 22:55.07 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 23:01.22 | elg | tensai: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/2009/01/21/log-frequency-spectrograms |
| 23:06.12 | tensai | switches from dbi:Sybase to dbi:ODBC |
| 23:08.17 | elg | tensai: don't ask me how to save the graphs from octave :) |
| 23:09.20 | elg | on my mac I just copy the aquaterm window, paste it into preview, and save it in whatever format I want from there. or you can save from aquaterm to pdf directly. |
| 23:09.32 | elg | but i'm sure there's a way to save the current graph to postscript or some other format |
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| 23:15.18 | mrpull | levi: what was the iPhone IRC app you mentioned the other day... not Rooms, the other one |
| 23:17.27 | levi | Colloquy? |
| 23:17.46 | toofer | Colloquy has an iPhone version? |
| 23:18.05 | levi | Now it does. |
| 23:18.26 | elg | notes that they *finally* put out an update and now my colloquy doesn't crash every other time I wake up from sleep |
| 23:18.27 | toofer | so it does |
| 23:18.28 | elg | that's nice |
| 23:19.00 | mrpull | levi: thanks. |
| 23:33.38 | unum | http://bash.org/?18317 <- applies to me |
| 23:33.39 | brac | [QDB: Quote #18317] |
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