| 00:00.13 | goozbach | hmm doesn't seem to want to work... |
| 00:00.26 | harleypig | tensai: 'cause all the cool geeks are doing it |
| 00:00.58 | tensai | aren't all the cool geeks in #utah? |
| 00:01.45 | goozbach | 19:01 <@root> jabber(goozbach@plug.org) - Couldn't log in: Unknown stream error reported by server |
| 00:02.48 | harleypig | *shrug* |
| 00:11.12 | Supaplex | nom nom noms on nummy mashed potatoz |
| 00:12.43 | Sargun | o.O |
| 00:15.23 | tensai | goozbach: is it supposed to be goozbach@jabber.plug.org? |
| 00:17.04 | goozbach | tensai: according to my previous config file, that's not the case |
| 00:17.14 | goozbach | goozbach@plug.org server jabber.plug.org |
| 00:17.21 | tensai | I just registered an account with @jabber.plug.org, but it wouldn't work with @plug.org |
| 00:18.21 | goozbach | hmm |
| 00:18.24 | goozbach | I'll try it |
| 00:18.32 | fozzmoo | installs Test::Deep |
| 00:19.20 | goozbach | totally segfaults |
| 00:19.25 | goozbach | man |
| 00:19.43 | tensai | goozbach: I found your picture under goozbach@jabber.plug.org |
| 00:19.44 | goozbach | fozzmoo: meh, who needs tests |
| 00:19.45 | goozbach | ? |
| 00:19.51 | goozbach | tensai: I have an account |
| 00:20.03 | goozbach | I can get into it with pidgin, however I can't get bitlbee to work |
| 00:20.18 | goozbach | using the same damn settings |
| 00:20.25 | goozbach | ~language goozach |
| 00:20.26 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozach by the ear and washes goozach's mouth out with soap |
| 00:20.40 | goozbach | (to save maquis the trouble for the D... word) |
| 00:20.44 | goozbach | :) |
| 00:22.06 | Supaplex | doh |
| 00:27.02 | goozbach | tensai: you have that jabber account turned on at the moment? |
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| 00:58.00 | goozbach | no love... |
| 00:58.05 | goozbach | stupid jabber |
| 00:58.08 | goozbach | or stupid bitlbee |
| 01:19.15 | elg | goozbach: goozbach@jabber.plug.org |
| 01:19.25 | goozbach | elg: I've tried both |
| 01:19.28 | elg | odd |
| 01:19.33 | elg | works for me |
| 01:19.39 | goozbach | methinks it's a bug with bitlbee |
| 01:19.42 | elg | well not in bitlbee |
| 01:19.59 | goozbach | I'm suspecting my yum update I did a week ago killed lib(somethingorother) |
| 01:20.09 | goozbach | and I've not rebooted since my kernel upgrade |
| 01:20.14 | elg | pesky libs |
| 01:23.15 | goozbach | yeah |
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| 04:57.05 | wps | \s in regex matches a whitespace character such as a space or a tab |
| 04:57.09 | wps | is there one for just a space? |
| 04:59.32 | levi | A space matches a space |
| 05:00.41 | elg | maquis: ping |
| 05:01.11 | wps | thanks |
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| 05:07.26 | levi | Good luck waking maquis. :) |
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| 14:50.44 | Sargun_Screen | Hey. |
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| 15:39.08 | eightyeight | uh. wow. http://mauke.ath.cx/stuff/poly.html (view the source) |
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| 15:56.07 | mecworks | hey all |
| 16:01.22 | mecworks | Hey, SLLUG is looking for a presentation for tomorrow :) Any takers? |
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| 16:13.28 | unum | happy inaugeration day :) |
| 16:13.48 | unum | mecworks: I'm afraid I already committed to go to sundance with a cute girl |
| 16:13.53 | unum | otherwise I'd come up with something |
| 16:15.48 | unum | sometimes when we had nothing planned at fslc we'd tell everyone to come prepared to discuss their favorite command |
| 16:15.55 | jsmith | mecworks: I'd be happy to present, but I'm not in Utah :-/ |
| 16:15.58 | unum | those actually turned into some of my favorite mettings |
| 16:16.32 | unum | different people would take about 5 minutes and talk about programs in linux they found useful, and I could go home and play with them all |
| 16:16.40 | unum | I'd be willing to do a regex meeting sometime |
| 16:22.31 | tensai | jsmith: a convenient excuse |
| 16:25.32 | mecworks | hm. Well, I'll probably put on a presentation on what I'm currently doing with Linux. I'm running Google Sketchup on Wine. I just don't have a computer to take with me... |
| 16:26.26 | jsmith | tensai: And a useful one too :-p |
| 16:26.46 | jsmith | tensai: After all, you of all people should understand how much I hate to share what I've learned about Linux |
| 16:26.57 | tensai | jsmith: you in miami? |
| 16:27.45 | jsmith | tensai: No, but I *will* be there |
| 16:27.54 | tensai | I thought it was this week |
| 16:28.21 | unum | I bought my eeepc just so I could do presentations.... |
| 16:30.03 | unum | I think I accidently scheduled all my ugotta meetings on the same night as slug |
| 16:30.07 | unum | *sigh* |
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| 16:42.28 | Sargun | Jayce^, you work for bluehost? |
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| 16:42.55 | tensai | jsmith-away: when you're in miami, eat a cuban sandwich for me |
| 16:43.38 | Jayce^ | Sargun, yup |
| 16:47.36 | tensai | Jayce^: you use irc? |
| 16:49.55 | Jayce^ | tensai, never heard of it |
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| 16:55.19 | Sargun | tensai, it might be a shell |
| 16:55.27 | Sargun | Jayce^, what do you think about your employer |
| 16:55.40 | Jayce^ | they're my employer.. |
| 16:55.41 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:55.52 | Jayce^ | matt, the company, what? |
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| 16:58.05 | Sargun | the company, their technology, their services |
| 16:58.09 | Sargun | PM if you need to |
| 17:01.05 | Jayce^ | they're fine.. it's a discount service, so if you have that in mind, it's a good product.. |
| 17:01.24 | Jayce^ | if you are expecting a massive powerhouse dedicated service for the price, you're fooling only yourself |
| 17:01.35 | elg | ~fool sjansen |
| 17:01.52 | Jayce^ | ok, him too |
| 17:02.09 | Jayce^ | it's a stacked shared hosting, based on cpanel's product.. most in our price range are.. |
| 17:02.11 | sjansen | If you're not watching the inauguration, you're missing a beautiful piece of music. |
| 17:02.23 | Sargun | oh, god. |
| 17:02.25 | elg | beyonce? |
| 17:02.35 | Sargun | Man, the price of an OC-XXX has gone down significantly. |
| 17:02.39 | Jayce^ | most our competitors are the same base... only way to get that price |
| 17:02.40 | sjansen | ~punish Sargun |
| 17:02.41 | ibot | ACTION forces Sargun to install and use Windows |
| 17:03.05 | levi | sjansen: It is very nice. |
| 17:03.07 | Sargun | $33,000.00 for an endpoint node (OC-192) |
| 17:03.28 | levi | Sounds like an arrangement of a folk hymn, "Tis a Gift to be Simple" |
| 17:03.38 | sjansen | Yo-yo Ma, Gabriela Montero, Anthony McGill, Itzhak Perlman playing an original piece by John Williams |
| 17:04.14 | sjansen | I've always loved "T'is a Gift To Be Simple" |
| 17:04.16 | levi | I'm listening to it via CNN Radio, and the idiot commentators won't shut up. |
| 17:05.08 | sjansen | Hulu is streaming w/o commentary. |
| 17:05.33 | levi | I haven't got the bandwidth for video. :( |
| 17:06.02 | levi | Connection at work is super-crappy. |
| 17:06.55 | Jayce^ | great bandwidth here, but hulu is swamping |
| 17:07.07 | elg | yeah, hulu fail |
| 17:07.09 | elg | fm radio win |
| 17:07.22 | sjansen | I hope it isn't lost on the RIAA that our new president was greeted by a new pieced of music containing large helpings of an existing piece and that no permission was needed. |
| 17:08.50 | elg | i'm sure it is |
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| 17:09.14 | utahcon | I had to use dinosaur radio too |
| 17:09.44 | Sargun | NPR took it |
| 17:10.00 | Sargun | Man, I wish I could purchase NPR over a DS1... |
| 17:10.06 | levi | NPR took what? |
| 17:10.11 | Sargun | err |
| 17:10.14 | Sargun | NPR took the load. |
| 17:10.19 | levi | Ahh. |
| 17:10.23 | Sargun | fine -- at least for the most part. |
| 17:10.44 | Sargun | Man, those guys scare me (NPR), they're _VERY_ good at what they do, and they are also on a _tight_ budget |
| 17:12.04 | tensai | is watching it on pbs, courtesy of myth |
| 17:12.56 | Jayce^ | don't know if hulu changed something, or people bailed, but it's going good now |
| 17:13.49 | Sargun | Jayce^, people probably bailed. |
| 17:17.47 | Sargun | Hm, I want to work at a CLEC... Raw Telecom is one place where I haven't gotten experience, I've always dealt with Layer 2 of Ethernet, or something similar to Ethernet. |
| 17:20.20 | Sargun | Someone at Digium unplugged the wrong cable. |
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| 17:28.34 | elg | ~unplug tensai |
| 17:30.53 | unum | we're on fiber here |
| 17:31.07 | unum | so I got to watch it with out too much trouble |
| 17:31.11 | Sargun | Who here knows where I can get some good cases? |
| 17:31.17 | unum | well it's been official for a half hour now |
| 17:31.30 | unum | Sargun: I now a place in logan and a place in ogden |
| 17:31.43 | Sargun | I mean "professional cases" I was looking at pelican... |
| 17:31.53 | unum | oh I thought you meant computer.... |
| 17:32.03 | goozbach | Sargun: can't go wrong with pelican |
| 17:32.07 | Sargun | I know there was a company who makes custom cases, brushed steel, can't remember the name |
| 17:32.31 | Sargun | goozbach, We're transporting a cluster across state lines, we want this thing to be resilient. |
| 17:33.05 | Sargun | We basically need a case for every know, and then a case for the accessories. |
| 17:33.10 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Halliburton |
| 17:33.21 | Sargun | goozbach, Ah, that's the one I was looking for! |
| 17:33.48 | goozbach | Sargun: A properly packed and stowed 25-30U rack in a reputable logistics carrier |
| 17:34.05 | Sargun | goozbach, This is MUCH smaller than that |
| 17:34.10 | Sargun | They also manufacture the case for the academy awards. |
| 17:38.18 | Sargun | I need a case which can take multiple cases within it |
| 17:40.42 | goozbach | Sargun: http://www.turtlecase.com/ |
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| 17:53.33 | Sargun | goozbach, ooh. A case lovers wet dream |
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| 18:40.14 | neybar | bah! I hate supporting IE. Why does it use a mime type of image/pjpeg for a jpeg? Is the standard of image/jpeg not good enough? |
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| 18:48.18 | sjansen | Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays. |
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| 18:50.09 | eightyeight | isn't it tuesday? |
| 18:50.16 | goozbach | that's a bad case too, on a tuesday of all days |
| 18:52.42 | Supaplex | it's my monday. |
| 18:52.55 | Supaplex | runs off to $work |
| 18:54.36 | elg | it's a tuesday monday |
| 18:54.42 | elg | yesterday was milk day |
| 18:55.21 | elg | neybar: can you expound on your problem? |
| 18:55.32 | elg | IE doesn't serve JPEGs, it requests them. no? |
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| 19:05.16 | fozzmoo | So... I didn't witness the "immaculation" this morning... |
| 19:05.51 | elg | i'm sure you can download it |
| 19:06.08 | fozzmoo | Only heard Rush Limbaugh's commentary, which of course, is subject to... confirmation. |
| 19:06.21 | fozzmoo | so... was it a "let-down"? |
| 19:06.38 | elg | i only listened to the 5 minute or so where he actually took the oath |
| 19:06.47 | elg | might watch the recording from myth tonight |
| 19:07.03 | elg | sjansen liked the music |
| 19:07.18 | fozzmoo | Did they play U2 again? |
| 19:08.20 | herlo | lol, no it was Aretha Franklin and Yo Yo Ma |
| 19:08.28 | herlo | but not together |
| 19:08.30 | sjansen | Really? Are so many Republican really so petty they can't help but throw bombs? Can't we get even one day off? |
| 19:09.34 | fozzmoo | sjansen: I'm just asking what other people's thoughts were since I didn't see/hear it. |
| 19:09.47 | sjansen | <fozzmoo> So... I didn't witness the "immaculation" this morning... |
| 19:09.47 | sjansen | <elg> i'm sure you can download it |
| 19:10.09 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Oh, yes, you're _so_ innocent. No disrespect intended at all. |
| 19:10.30 | fozzmoo | The only thing I heard was that it fell mighty short of the "historical" proportions the media (and the incoming administration) was hyping it to be. |
| 19:10.41 | herlo | goes back to ignoring #utah |
| 19:10.48 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Of course, I'm biased, but I'm *trying* to be open-minded. |
| 19:11.37 | elg | i hadn't payed attention to media hype |
| 19:11.56 | sjansen | If you can't respect the man, at least respect the office and generations of sacrifice that made today possible. |
| 19:12.01 | elg | i don't see how it could fail to be historic. seems like any presidential inauguration is a matter of history |
| 19:12.05 | eightyeight | i thought it was very historical. the event is the historic aspect, not the words of the talk or prayers |
| 19:12.59 | eightyeight | which, i thought the innaguration was spot on. and the music fitting |
| 19:13.07 | fozzmoo | I'm not arguing the event wasn't historic. It certainly is. I'm talking about the inaugural speech. |
| 19:13.16 | eightyeight | i chuckled at the end of the benediction. |
| 19:13.40 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: You didn't like his asking God that the whites would seek to do right? |
| 19:13.53 | eightyeight | i liked it. why wouldn't i? |
| 19:13.54 | fozzmoo | "embrace what is right." |
| 19:14.05 | fozzmoo | It's certainly worth chuckling at. |
| 19:14.45 | sjansen | Anyone who expected Obama to walk across the waters of the Lincoln memorial and part the Chesapeake is a fool. But for most it was enough to we had yet another peaceful transition of power, not least because a black man has become president. |
| 19:14.53 | fozzmoo | Wish I could get ahead or stick around, tho. |
| 19:18.09 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I just hope people give O the same respect they gave Bush... :) |
| 19:19.02 | tensai | Jayce^: bush's approval rating was quite high at the beginning. seems to me he earned the respect he got. |
| 19:19.04 | elg | i just hope obama deserves the respect i have for him more than bush deserves the respect i had for him |
| 19:19.21 | Jayce^ | tensai, dunno, look at what was said about him before he was ever in office |
| 19:19.25 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: On the whole, I think they will. The really negative folks have their man in office. |
| 19:19.51 | Jayce^ | tensai, besides, I'm willing to rip on him too, or correct what I see is wrongly said.. I think it's just more crap |
| 19:19.56 | sjansen | *couch* *cough* |
| 19:19.56 | eightyeight | and the inept has his just left office |
| 19:20.03 | sjansen | spews water all over his keyboard |
| 19:20.05 | elg | ~couch sjansen |
| 19:20.07 | eightyeight | s/has/had/ |
| 19:20.19 | fozzmoo | I did like a clever sticker I saw recently: "1-20-09 - The end of an error" |
| 19:20.23 | Jayce^ | eightyeight, from your typing, you're in his camp then :) |
| 19:20.23 | sjansen | Excuse, who _invented_ talk radio? Rush Limbaugh? Ann Coulter? Etc? |
| 19:20.40 | eightyeight | Jayce^: yeah. it's not my typing day, apparently |
| 19:20.43 | Jayce^ | sjansen hasn't been around long then :) |
| 19:21.08 | eightyeight | i admit i voted him in in '00, but abstained from voting in '04 |
| 19:22.02 | sjansen | If the president than ran in '00 had stayed in office and stuck to the "compassionate conservatism" things would have turned out very differently. |
| 19:22.09 | Jayce^ | hey look, O's website already has a statement about wanting to make a permanent gun ban.. gotta love that "common sense" |
| 19:22.26 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yeah, he went liberal, and see what we got :) |
| 19:22.31 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 19:22.39 | tensai | Jayce^: url? |
| 19:22.45 | sjansen | Given a choice between Gore and Bush, the choice was obviously Gore. During his first year he was setting a good course. |
| 19:22.53 | Jayce^ | http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/ |
| 19:22.53 | fozzmoo | Only a terrorist attack on our soil every week after 9/11 |
| 19:23.36 | sjansen | Bush himself probably would have been a decent president, but he left fear and his cabinet overrule him. |
| 19:23.37 | elg | sjansen: that sentence confuses me |
| 19:23.43 | fozzmoo | I'm no fan of Bush's economic, foreign, domestic, etc. policies, but no more terrorist attacks! YAY! |
| 19:23.45 | Jayce^ | They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. |
| 19:23.55 | Jayce^ | that should be quoted, from the site |
| 19:24.04 | Jayce^ | is really hungry |
| 19:24.05 | sjansen | s/obviously Gore/obviously Bush (_not_ Gore)/ |
| 19:24.13 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:24.17 | Jayce^ | :) was wondering |
| 19:24.18 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Let's eat!~ |
| 19:24.27 | elg | sjansen: that's better |
| 19:24.27 | Jayce^ | just waiting on you dude! |
| 19:24.34 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Where we goin?! |
| 19:24.58 | Jayce^ | wish we had irc logs in the old #utah from back then.. could have saved my old diatribe about that first year as it was starting |
| 19:25.08 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, dunno... lunchtime roulette |
| 19:25.19 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: I don't really know what's around the south end of Provo. |
| 19:25.29 | fozzmoo | The Fazolis is closed. :( |
| 19:25.38 | elg | there's a good thai restaurant |
| 19:25.49 | elg | 3rd south and about 2nd east |
| 19:25.59 | Jayce^ | last time I went, wasn't too happy |
| 19:26.01 | elg | i always wanted to go to that peruvian restaurant on center |
| 19:26.05 | elg | but never got a chance |
| 19:29.59 | RyanE | Is La Dolce Vita still there? |
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| 19:57.10 | jasonpr | anyone ever work with encryption hardware? |
| 19:57.25 | RyanE | Does a secret decoder ring count? :) |
| 19:57.48 | jasonpr | not if the numbers and letters are in order |
| 19:58.34 | jasonpr | I've seen https cards before to plug into your linux router fronted by apache |
| 19:59.06 | jasonpr | I'm wondering if there's something for AES 256 version |
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| 20:02.41 | jasonpr | craver: viva la bush!!! |
| 20:02.53 | craver | fuck bush |
| 20:02.59 | craver | oh wait.. can i say that here |
| 20:03.17 | jasonpr | All I want to know is where's the line for the Handouts? |
| 20:03.53 | jasonpr | MR Obama said I'm never going to have to pay my mortgage again. |
| 20:04.09 | craver | well sinse you don't have one you don't have anything to worry about |
| 20:05.36 | goozbach | craver: you can express that opinion, just don't use those words please |
| 20:05.44 | craver | sorry :) |
| 20:05.54 | jasonpr | fucking right |
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| 20:06.23 | RyanE | jasonpr: not too bright, are you? :) |
| 20:06.33 | craver | can someone make me an op so i can kick ban jasonpr |
| 20:06.35 | craver | :) |
| 20:06.40 | jasonpr | not really my mom sais I'm smrt |
| 20:06.49 | goozbach | and currently services are gone :( |
| 20:07.22 | eightyeight | so? Jayce^ is opped, which gives his the ability to administer the channel as needed |
| 20:07.35 | goozbach | and jayce is at lunch |
| 20:07.40 | goozbach | I can't op myself |
| 20:07.40 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:08.01 | jasonpr | you power trippin on me? |
| 20:08.07 | craver | :( |
| 20:08.38 | craver | join me over at #bush so i can kick you :) |
| 20:09.18 | jasonpr | !@#$'rd |
| 20:09.22 | craver | hahaha |
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| 20:11.35 | eightyeight | that didn't take long |
| 20:12.10 | jasonpr | Quick poll: what's the #1 think you're looking forward to in a an Obama Nation? |
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| 20:13.38 | goozbach | much better |
| 20:13.46 | *** kick/#utah [jasonpr!n=goozbach@209.41.92.80] by goozbach (language) |
| 20:18.01 | craver | guess i'll watch my mouth.. sorry |
| 20:18.04 | craver | :) |
| 20:18.27 | unum | ah |
| 20:18.32 | goozbach | craver: I gave you a warning (which is what I usually do) |
| 20:18.41 | craver | thanks |
| 20:18.41 | unum | now the comment in the other channel makes sense |
| 20:18.46 | goozbach | jasonpr should have taken it as his warning as well |
| 20:30.14 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:32.09 | Sargun | goozbach, have you purchased the larger pelican cases before? |
| 20:32.57 | ^Migs^ | http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html |
| 20:32.59 | brac | [WSJ.com] |
| 20:33.45 | RyanE | so I wonder what Obama's approval rating is right now... :) |
| 20:33.53 | RyanE | I'm sure it's not 100%. |
| 20:35.18 | tensai | sjansen: ping |
| 20:35.33 | sjansen | pong |
| 20:36.45 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/John%20Williams%20-%20Air%20and%20Simple%20Things.mp3 |
| 20:36.53 | tensai | the music from today's deal |
| 20:43.32 | goozbach | Sargun: not purchased, but used, yes |
| 20:43.47 | goozbach | we used them to ship tapes at the DOH |
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| 20:44.21 | brac | farts in Tene's general direction |
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| 20:45.27 | sjansen | "So cute I want it to eat my brain" -- http://chipx86.github.com/gtkparasite/ |
| 20:45.28 | brac | [Parasite] |
| 20:46.15 | sjansen | tensai: cool :-) |
| 20:54.48 | levi | fozzmoo: I'm not sure what 'everyone' was expecting but I really liked the inaugural address. |
| 20:55.45 | RyanE | I was expecting the Lincoln statue from the Lincoln Memorial to come to life and shake Obama's hand. |
| 20:55.56 | RyanE | but that's just me. |
| 20:57.20 | levi | Certainly Obama could never say anything that would win praise from Rush. |
| 20:58.28 | RyanE | Yeah, that's unlikely. |
| 20:59.36 | tensai | or, Rush would never let anything Obama said elicit any praise |
| 21:01.42 | Tene | Which is pretty strong evidence of irrationality. If there is no possible event that could convince you of something, then your belief in it isn't based on evidence. |
| 21:01.59 | Tene | Doesn't mean it's not true, just that you're emotionally attached to a belief. |
| 21:02.10 | levi | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://whitehouse.gov&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 |
| 21:02.21 | levi | The new whitehouse.gov is valid. :) |
| 21:02.37 | neybar | levi: True, but it is no more likely that Bush (insert random republican here) would elicit praise from the Daily Show when it was due. |
| 21:03.59 | eightyeight | the css fails though |
| 21:04.55 | levi | Maybe they'll fix it if they get a bug report. |
| 21:04.58 | unum | I'm still impressed they did that with javascript and not flash |
| 21:05.18 | unum | I bet it fails because of an ie work around :) |
| 21:05.21 | tensai | Tene: you're spot on |
| 21:06.21 | fozzmoo | levi: Rush has praised Obama on few occassions that I've heard, especially on his skill as an orator. |
| 21:06.46 | unum | fozzmoo: but that's usually meant as a backhanded compliment |
| 21:07.07 | unum | ie "sure he's a great orator, but that's not a reason to elect him" |
| 21:07.26 | sjansen | neybar: Hate to break it to you, but the Daily Show isn't about praising... well, anyone. |
| 21:07.39 | unum | I'm afraid sjansen is right... |
| 21:07.58 | unum | though when colbert gives a wag of his finger is that praise? |
| 21:08.01 | Sargun | goozbach, I'm looking for a case to put these in: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/slimpro-sp635b.asp |
| 21:08.02 | RyanE | no, it's not, but it sure got a lot nastier about Bush than it ever did about Clinton. |
| 21:08.02 | brac | [cappuccinopc.com : slimpro sp635b rohs compliant] |
| 21:08.09 | Sargun | I have 3 of them, and a few more components. |
| 21:08.11 | neybar | sjansen: I know, but neither is the Rush Limbaugh show |
| 21:08.35 | unum | RyanE: john stuart took over after clinton I think |
| 21:08.53 | unum | but I've seen john take plenty of digs at democrats |
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| 21:08.56 | RyanE | uh, no. The Daily show has been around a lot longer than that. I was watching it when Clinton was still in office. |
| 21:09.04 | unum | RyanE: not with john |
| 21:09.04 | levi | At least the Daily Show is ostensibly a comedy show. |
| 21:09.14 | RyanE | *with* John Stewart. |
| 21:09.18 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 21:09.27 | goozbach | Sargun: big pelican case, with square cut foam |
| 21:09.30 | sjansen | I think it'd be a pretty easy argument to win that the last 7 years have had a lot more to be nasty about. |
| 21:09.45 | goozbach | rip out the foam to fit as many of those as you can |
| 21:09.46 | levi | Rush takes plenty of digs at Republicans, too. |
| 21:09.51 | unum | ah yep he did take over in 99 |
| 21:10.20 | fozzmoo | sjansen: It's amazing W got re-elected in 2004, isn't it? |
| 21:10.23 | unum | I didn't have cable 'til 2003 or so |
| 21:10.37 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Not really. Remember who he was running against? |
| 21:10.52 | fozzmoo | Yeah. What was up with that?! |
| 21:10.58 | unum | I really wish we had picked dean |
| 21:11.05 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:11.06 | unum | oddly enough I blame the media :) |
| 21:11.07 | fozzmoo | Yeeeaaagagghgghghghg |
| 21:11.27 | fozzmoo | Dean's got gaffes comin out of his ears, tho. |
| 21:11.30 | goozbach | Sargun: http://www.pelican.com/cases_detail.php?Case=1730 |
| 21:11.32 | brac | [Pelican™ Products 1730 Transport Case] |
| 21:11.38 | sjansen | One scream does not a candidacy destroy, but it sure does help to wake people up to how crazy a man is. |
| 21:11.47 | fozzmoo | In 2012, we can say the same thing about 2008 |
| 21:11.55 | fozzmoo | "Remember who he was running against in 2008?" |
| 21:11.59 | unum | fozzmoo: what gaffes are you reffering to besides the scream |
| 21:12.02 | fozzmoo | :-) |
| 21:12.06 | unum | mccain wasn't bad |
| 21:12.07 | Sargun | goozbach, does that come filled with foam? |
| 21:12.09 | unum | I liked the guy |
| 21:12.16 | Tene | mccain is creepy |
| 21:12.24 | fozzmoo | Yeah- if you like corpses. :) |
| 21:12.33 | fozzmoo | corpses with bad tempers. |
| 21:12.34 | unum | I would vote for mccain over clinton(both), gore and kerry |
| 21:12.38 | sjansen | Well, if McCain had actually run maybe he would have won. As it was, his cardboard cutout came pretty close. |
| 21:12.38 | unum | just not over obama |
| 21:12.46 | RyanE | I was surprised that mccain did as well as he did. |
| 21:12.54 | unum | ya what ever happened to the mccain from 2000? |
| 21:13.14 | unum | I didn't really start wanting mccain to lose until he picked his running candidate |
| 21:13.52 | sjansen | The Republican party happened to him. I'd be Republican if the party were still controlled by real Republicans today. |
| 21:14.15 | goozbach | Sargun: yup, you cut your foam to match what you're carrying |
| 21:14.21 | Jayce^ | sjansen, no, I see him as an example of what the republican party has become.. |
| 21:14.43 | unum | I'd be republican if it consisted of people like |
| 21:14.52 | unum | _governor_ romney |
| 21:15.19 | sjansen | Jayce^: Of course. If the real McCain were the one we remember from before the campaign he wouldn't have become the McCain of the campaign. |
| 21:15.51 | Sargun | goozbach, Hm... I wonder how you'd do that... |
| 21:15.54 | unum | did anyone else read the news week articles about the campaign |
| 21:16.16 | unum | it was interesting to read about the people that surrounded the candidates |
| 21:16.17 | Sargun | goozbach, I used to use foam cutters, but I don't know if they'd work on this. |
| 21:16.18 | levi | unum: I started, but I didn't get back to them. |
| 21:16.45 | unum | I meant to buy the magazine that week but never made it to the store |
| 21:17.07 | Jayce^ | unum, it's funny how romney was ripped apart for focusing his campaign on the economy, which was a "unimportant" issue at the time, then as predicted, it did become the main issue |
| 21:17.32 | unum | Jayce^: the attacks on his flip flopping were much more valid :) |
| 21:18.11 | RyanE | he did swing far right of his 'standard', but it was the primary. That's what happens. |
| 21:19.03 | unum | RyanE: that's true, but having run in mass on the left having to swing that far to the right was pretty extreme |
| 21:19.42 | goozbach | Sargun: sharp carpet knife, small board, and your knee are all you need to cut foam |
| 21:19.49 | Sargun | goozbach, thanks for the help. I'll consult further with one of the handier guys here about cutting and manipulating the stuff |
| 21:19.59 | goozbach | or use a hotwire |
| 21:20.02 | Sargun | goozbach, I also need some smooth boxes to put the cables in. |
| 21:20.02 | unum | I guess what really bothers me is that his swing was so much worse than any of Kerry's yet everyone in Utah complained about Kerry's and ignored his |
| 21:20.11 | goozbach | smooth boxes? |
| 21:20.24 | Sargun | goozbach, as in boxes without ridges on the side to stick inside the big box |
| 21:20.25 | RyanE | no, we just ignore his Democratic tendencies. :) |
| 21:21.06 | tensai | unum: see above about emotion vs reason |
| 21:21.07 | Sargun | goozbach, I don't want the cables and things directly against the foam, they'll tear it up. |
| 21:21.25 | unum | RyanE: pro-choice,socialized heath care,pro gay union, pro gun control |
| 21:21.38 | unum | I guess I can see how you call those tendencies |
| 21:21.42 | RyanE | unum: yep, those are the ones. :) |
| 21:21.44 | unum | tensai: you're right |
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| 21:21.57 | unum | a big part of it is socialization |
| 21:22.47 | unum | most people just know what their friends and family tells them, and they only tell half the story |
| 21:24.46 | tensai | my sister-in-law is a great example of that. she intolerable when it comes to politics. |
| 21:25.31 | goozbach | Sargun: heavy duty cardboard |
| 21:25.58 | goozbach | cut and glue your own boxes of the proper size, cut the foam out around the cardboard, and glue the cardboard into the foam. |
| 21:26.12 | goozbach | cheap, good, and just the size you need. |
| 21:26.20 | goozbach | not corrigated board mind you |
| 21:26.34 | goozbach | but stuff like what comes in cereal boxes |
| 21:27.06 | Sargun | we have light weight stuff, but it's HUGE |
| 21:32.15 | Sargun | goozbach, this looks neat: |
| 21:32.15 | Sargun | http://www.casesbypelican.com/foam.htm |
| 21:32.16 | brac | [Pick 'N' Pluck foam - cutting tips] |
| 21:36.14 | goozbach | Sargun: that's the best way of arranging your stuff |
| 21:36.23 | goozbach | that's the stuff I was talking about above |
| 21:36.52 | Sargun | oh. |
| 21:37.26 | goozbach | but create your own boxes for cables/loose stuff |
| 21:37.43 | goozbach | and put it into your foam as you would any square item (your computers) |
| 21:37.48 | Sargun | We have boxes for it, they're made of cardboard |
| 21:37.56 | goozbach | it makes things neater and looks professional |
| 21:38.03 | goozbach | are the boxes too big? |
| 21:38.06 | Sargun | Except the hub... |
| 21:38.22 | Sargun | Not really, no... |
| 21:38.34 | goozbach | you want to make sure each case is self-sufficent |
| 21:38.59 | Sargun | the computer case is smooth, so I can put that directly onto the foam |
| 21:39.15 | Sargun | them there are cardboard boxes with the cables... that's a bit big, but it works |
| 21:39.39 | Sargun | and then I need boxes with the hub, and cables. |
| 21:40.48 | goozbach | your hub can probabbly go straight into the foam |
| 21:41.39 | Sargun | Nevermind, I have a box for the hub |
| 21:41.48 | Sargun | I might be able to fit the ethernet cables in there... |
| 21:42.21 | Sargun | Ok, this looks appealing |
| 21:42.44 | Sargun | now to go with the hotwire solution, or the punch out foam |
| 21:43.25 | goozbach | punch out much easier |
| 21:43.32 | goozbach | most of the time more professional |
| 21:43.44 | goozbach | if you take care not to depend on the foam to contain things |
| 21:44.11 | goozbach | boxes for loose stuff, everything else *JUST* fits |
| 21:44.32 | RyanE | we do a demo case with a pelican for our dealers, but we put everything that makes up the demo into a big 'built wall', and then just put that into the pelican case. |
| 21:44.54 | Sargun | RyanE, what do you demo |
| 21:44.57 | RyanE | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/2009CES/img_4054 <- like this, the big thing on the left. Heavy, but it works well. |
| 21:45.05 | brac | [Erickson Photos :: 2009 CES :: img_4054] |
| 21:45.05 | RyanE | automation system. |
| 21:46.01 | Sargun | neat |
| 21:46.11 | goozbach | I wants to get me one of these:http://www.casecruzer.com/footlocker/emergency-0120-pr.html |
| 21:46.12 | brac | [Emergency Footlocker Case Press Release 12-1-2008] |
| 21:46.14 | RyanE | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.35 | Sargun | Alright, this is probably overkill (the 1780), but overkill is better than underkill. |
| 21:47.43 | elg | there is no overkill |
| 21:47.49 | Sargun | hehehe |
| 21:48.00 | RyanE | there is when the case doesn't fit in the car. :) |
| 21:48.30 | elg | ~cue Jayce^ |
| 21:48.50 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:49.01 | Jayce^ | "Only open fire, and reload" |
| 21:49.54 | goozbach | "only open fire, and cover me, I'm reloading" |
| 21:50.03 | goozbach | doh, jayce beat me |
| 21:50.16 | goozbach | ~overkill? |
| 21:50.16 | ibot | somebody said overkill was running 20000 Linuces in VMes on an S/390 |
| 21:50.18 | Jayce^ | I hear that a lot :) |
| 21:51.02 | goozbach | ibot: overkill is also http://store.schlockmercenary.com/v/vspfiles/photos/P-R37-2.jpg |
| 21:51.03 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
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| 21:58.03 | eightyeight | heh. when font is working against you rather than for you: http://www.axis-of-aevil.net/archives/2002/09/when_good_type.html |
| 21:58.04 | brac | [Axis of vil » When good type goes bad] |
| 21:58.42 | eightyeight | unless of course that's intentional. maybe it's an adult video store |
| 22:00.41 | Sargun | goozbach, hm, the boxes have shock absorbent foam in them |
| 22:00.50 | Sargun | which is kind of nice. |
| 22:05.01 | tensai | eightyeight: that's great |
| 22:05.23 | jsmith | Sargun: You still looking at the Pelican cases? I love them... |
| 22:07.14 | elg | Jayce^: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481004,00.html |
| 22:10.32 | Jayce^ | elg, yeah, saw that before, there are a couple ballistics apps, I have one that's only 3.99, and I think is better |
| 22:10.38 | Jayce^ | includes a nice logging tool |
| 22:10.59 | Jayce^ | and once approved, can use core-location to determine certain environmental aspects :) |
| 22:12.56 | tensai | Jayce^: "once approved"? |
| 22:13.27 | Jayce^ | tensai, apple's app approval process is near IEEE speeds :) |
| 22:13.35 | Jayce^ | for each version of an app at that |
| 22:14.16 | eightyeight | oooh. rhel 5.3 supports encryption, suggesting the installer has been modified to support it too |
| 22:14.51 | eightyeight | http://www.press.redhat.com/2009/01/20/red-hat-enterprise-linux-53-offers-customers-new-features-and-capabilities/#more-525 |
| 22:33.03 | redbeard2 | i'm looking for a way to get some of the info that ethtool provides (most importantly, supported speeds) as an unprivileged user. any ideas? |
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| 22:33.43 | redbeard2 | i bet sjansen knows of something |
| 22:34.30 | sjansen | Windows? |
| 22:34.43 | redbeard2 | sjansen: i'm trying to do it from a shell script |
| 22:34.55 | sjansen | Seriously, dude, querying hardware info is a quintessential admin only act. |
| 22:35.14 | goozbach | redbeard2: proper application of sudoers |
| 22:35.41 | sjansen | Maybe DeviceKit, but it probably won't be fun from a script. |
| 22:36.04 | redbeard2 | sudoers would work, thanks goozbach |
| 22:36.16 | tensai | chmod -R +s /usr/sbin |
| 22:39.02 | goozbach | I like tensai's suggestionm |
| 22:40.23 | redbeard2 | goozbach: no luck on sudo. chmod +s on it does work, but that's scary |
| 22:40.43 | Tene | no sudo? why no sudo? |
| 22:40.55 | redbeard2 | tensai: it gave me permissions errors |
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| 22:41.27 | redbeard2 | Cannot get device settings: Operation not permitted |
| 22:41.30 | redbeard2 | Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: Operation not permitted |
| 22:41.31 | Tene | you could look at setting the specific capability instead of full root privs |
| 22:41.32 | redbeard2 | Cannot get message level: Operation not permitted |
| 22:41.34 | redbeard2 | Cannot get link status: Operation not permitted |
| 22:41.51 | Tene | redbeard2: you sure you're using sudo right? how are you doing it there? |
| 22:41.58 | tensai | redbeard2: really? worked for me |
| 22:42.00 | Tene | sounds like you're trying to run the script with sudo, not ethtool itself. |
| 22:42.17 | Tene | which... should work anyway, nm |
| 22:42.24 | Tene | I was thinking of +s on the script. |
| 22:42.32 | sjansen | Network Manager? |
| 22:42.33 | redbeard2 | tensai: username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ethtool |
| 22:42.44 | tensai | redbeard2: I meant chmod +s worked for me |
| 22:42.52 | redbeard2 | chmod +s works for me too |
| 22:43.03 | sjansen | redbeard2: You're not allowing any arguments. |
| 22:43.27 | redbeard2 | sjansen: how does one allow args? |
| 22:43.35 | sjansen | man sudoers |
| 22:45.19 | Tene | sjansen: you don't need to do anything specific to allow args. allowing args is the default. |
| 22:45.24 | redbeard2 | sjansen: "A Cmnd_List is a list of one or more commandnames, directories, and other aliases. A commandname is a fully qualified filename which may include shell-style wildcards (see âWildcardsâ section below). A simple filename allows the user to run the command with any arguments he/she wishes." |
| 22:45.40 | Tene | sjansen: also, if he had disallowed args, it would fail to run at all, not just run with user privs. |
| 22:46.16 | sjansen | yeah... yeah... well... you have putty in your beard! |
| 22:46.25 | Tene | no I don't. |
| 22:46.28 | redbeard2 | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:46.28 | ibot | raises middle finger to sjansen |
| 22:46.30 | Tene | I have beard in my beard. |
| 22:46.39 | redbeard2 | hrm. i was hoping for something funnier. |
| 22:46.46 | Tene | ~butty sjansen |
| 22:46.49 | redbeard2 | ~brulee sjansen |
| 22:46.50 | ibot | ACTION whisks sjansen with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 22:46.51 | sjansen | ~bzfrag redbeard2 |
| 22:46.52 | ibot | ACTION kills redbeard2 with a shot from his BZTank |
| 22:46.52 | Tene | ~putty sjansen |
| 22:46.52 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats sjansen with it |
| 22:46.58 | Tene | ~typingfail tene |
| 22:47.04 | redbeard2 | ~fail sjansen |
| 22:47.05 | ibot | You suck at everything in life, sjansen. I hate you because you fail. |
| 22:47.30 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:47.51 | sjansen | runs off to cry |
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| 22:54.03 | tensai | ~lart mysql |
| 22:54.03 | ibot | resizes mysql's terminal to 40x24 |
| 22:54.32 | tensai | power goes out and databases become corrupt. isn't that the antithesis of a database? |
| 22:54.54 | levi | It's a 'temporary data store' :) |
| 22:58.29 | tensai | sounds about right |
| 23:03.20 | goozbach | tensai: mysql != database |
| 23:03.22 | goozbach | :) |
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| 23:07.50 | tensai | elg: I have to thank you for introducing me to sourdough. sandwiches have never been so delicious. |
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| 23:17.52 | craver | tensai - you're doing something wrong if a power outtage causes curruption |
| 23:18.10 | craver | probably lazy writes or something along those lines |
| 23:20.08 | tensai | journaled fs, distro kernel, distro mysql |
| 23:21.54 | sjansen | Well there you go. Any MySQL developer would tell you not to use the distro version because distro's clearly have it out for them. |
| 23:22.55 | craver | lazy writes |
| 23:23.20 | sjansen | You also have to be sure to specify a database format that cares about integrity. Or in other words, not MyISAM. |
| 23:23.44 | sjansen | Unlike real databases, MySQL considers data integrity optional. |
| 23:24.00 | craver | yes, so does firebird and a couple others. |
| 23:24.27 | tensai | well if everybody does it, that must make it right |
| 23:24.46 | tensai | sjansen: that was the conclusion I came to |
| 23:24.51 | sjansen | To be fair, pretty much any database will be corrupted by a sudden power outage. But real databases include replay logs and the likes to make recovery possible. |
| 23:24.56 | craver | well, some would perfer to sacrafice integrity for performance. |
| 23:25.35 | tensai | "where are we going?" "I don't know, but we're sure getting there fast!" |
| 23:26.09 | sjansen | I don't have a problem with MySQL providing the option, I do have a problem with its long history of calling itself a database before actually becoming one. |
| 23:26.12 | tensai | sjansen: I wrote a script to check and repair each table upon reboot |
| 23:26.54 | craver | i wrote an article for a DB magazine a few years ago on database curruption and recovery.. i could probably find a copy. |
| 23:28.07 | sjansen | I also object to the culture of ignorance MySQL fostered. PHP is probably the only F/OSS project that has done more to teach lazy developers bad habits. |
| 23:28.36 | levi | PHP and mySQL, two peas in a pod. |
| 23:29.33 | tensai | sjansen: dunno if you remember but the ldap directory we had way back had schema enforcement turned off. it was a mess. |
| 23:29.45 | tensai | reminds me of the mysql mentality |
| 23:29.57 | sjansen | But it was fast! |
| 23:30.20 | tensai | actually it wasn't. there were no useful indexes. |
| 23:30.33 | sjansen | I'd forgotten that. |
| 23:30.41 | tensai | I guess that made inserts a snap though |
| 23:30.47 | sjansen | Well it was fast after I wrote that script to suggest indexes. ;-) |
| 23:30.54 | tensai | and really, that's what you choose ldap for: fast inserts |
| 23:31.35 | sjansen | Uhm... huh? Oh, wait, sarcasm... right? |
| 23:32.01 | tensai | uh, yes |
| 23:32.01 | sjansen | I think we went around that last corner a little too fast for me. |
| 23:32.47 | tensai | each record was a person, organizationalperson and inetorgperson |
| 23:32.54 | levi | sjansen must be getting old. ;) |
| 23:33.12 | tensai | which if you recall, all are structural object types |
| 23:33.52 | tensai | I tried turning on the schema and it just sat there and cried. had to rebuild the entire thing to get it right. |
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