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| 02:48.09 | *** topic/#utah is http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | findlay is upgrading |
| 02:51.00 | mrpull-x | rubs his eyes to make sure he is reading right |
| 02:51.13 | mrpull-x | findlay, hater of girls, is getting married!? |
| 02:51.39 | mrpull-x | ~seen findlay |
| 02:51.40 | ibot | findlay is currently on #utah (9d 4h 27m 21s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 3d 9h 41m 59s, last said: 'eightyeight: I just plugged my server back in'. |
| 03:31.55 | levi | mrpull-x: Indeed. |
| 03:32.28 | levi | mrpull-x: And judging by the photos on facebook, he's marrying a pretty cute girl, too. |
| 03:34.41 | mrpull-x | levi: now i've got a reason to sign up for facebook |
| 03:35.51 | levi | Hah. :) |
| 03:36.10 | mrpull-x | hurray for findlay! i'm glad to see findlay sees that not all females are evil. |
| 03:36.40 | levi | Now that he's all committal and stuff, he can enjoy making out. ;) |
| 03:46.48 | levi | Hrm, it's too bad Mobile Colloquy didn't come out before I bought Rooms. |
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| 03:47.45 | levi | Uh oh, it's zwily. |
| 03:48.07 | zwily | it is |
| 03:48.24 | zwily | i didn't realize i was so feared |
| 03:48.49 | Supaplex | ~hide us |
| 03:49.11 | ibot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers us with it so that nobody can see what us is doing! |
| 03:49.11 | Supaplex | ~test |
| 03:49.12 | ibot | Failed! |
| 03:49.20 | mrpull-x | with any luck i'll have my iPhone tomorrow |
| 03:49.23 | Supaplex | haha. bot lag. :P |
| 03:49.43 | mrpull-x | i'm betraying windows mobile after about 10 years of using it in its various forms |
| 03:51.16 | levi | zwily: I have no idea who you are, I'm just bored. :) |
| 03:51.48 | levi | mrpull-x: Well, windows mobile really should have been trying better to keep up. :) |
| 03:51.49 | zwily | is relieved |
| 03:52.02 | levi | mrpull-x: Even Palm is making them look bad now. |
| 03:52.11 | mrpull-x | levi: it is amazing how quickly the iPhone built a following of developers |
| 03:52.41 | levi | It's amazing, but I wasn't really surprised. |
| 03:53.05 | mrpull-x | the first gen iPhone seemed like a cool toy... till the SDK/appstore/whatever made it a killer tool |
| 03:53.25 | mrpull-x | i wish i could buy tomtom for iphone |
| 03:53.44 | mrpull-x | that is the last app on Windows Mobile that i'm still clinging to |
| 03:54.38 | levi | Apple's restrictions on what iPhone apps can do does put some major restraints on 3rd party app developers. |
| 03:55.11 | levi | It's going to be interesting to see where Android and Palm's new device go in the market. |
| 03:56.01 | mrpull-x | yeah, i recall rumors that tomtom already ran on iphones, but apples restrictions were holding it back |
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| 03:57.46 | mrpull-x | i predict that one of apple/palm/android will exchange peoples position data for a free commercial quality PND application |
| 03:58.02 | mrpull-x | they could use the position data to improve maps, collect traffic data |
| 03:58.16 | mrpull-x | crowdsourcing style |
| 03:58.24 | levi | Yeah, that would be pretty slick. |
| 03:59.04 | mrpull-x | they could partner with navtec or whomever and they could drastically expand their traffic coverage |
| 03:59.09 | mrpull-x | for nearly nothing |
| 03:59.25 | mrpull-x | supplement their revenue with geo-targeted ads |
| 03:59.38 | mrpull-x | basically Dash's model |
| 03:59.56 | mrpull-x | but no subscriptions |
| 04:02.24 | levi | I'm guessing this will not be done by Apple, though. |
| 04:02.48 | mrpull-x | android seems most natural to me |
| 04:03.04 | levi | Stupid Windows Update, don't bother me with junk mail filters. |
| 04:03.20 | mrpull-x | or maybe google creates it for all platforms |
| 04:03.38 | mrpull-x | levi: what is worse when their lame junk mail updates ask/force you to reboot |
| 04:03.54 | Supaplex | I could use a pdf reader in android... |
| 04:10.12 | mrpull-x | that reminds me, there is a build of Android for the AT&T Tilt / HTC Kaiser |
| 04:10.22 | mrpull-x | i may have to play with that after I get my new phone |
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| 04:14.59 | levi | mrpull-x: Yeah, that's the only reason I'm not letting it install. |
| 04:16.46 | mrpull-x | if you kill Outlook before it runs it generally doesn't need a reboot. Still lame. |
| 04:17.43 | levi | The tilt looks a bit... bulky. |
| 04:20.12 | mrpull-x | it is a chubby phone |
| 04:20.19 | mrpull-x | the keyboard is very good |
| 04:20.56 | mrpull-x | if i cant learn to thumb touch type on the iphone i'll probably revert back to the tilt |
| 04:21.25 | mrpull-x | the follow up to the tilt has a similar keyboard and nicer screen |
| 04:23.23 | mrpull-x | ATT calls it the Fuze |
| 04:23.28 | mrpull-x | i dont recall the HTC codename |
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| 04:31.55 | goozbach | that's the HTC touch pro |
| 04:32.52 | goozbach | I don't think android is ready on that device. |
| 04:33.05 | mrpull-x | goozbach: i dont think it is... |
| 04:33.17 | mrpull-x | android barely works on the tilt |
| 04:33.20 | mrpull-x | (phone only) |
| 04:33.33 | mrpull-x | no sms / gps / wonky touchscreen |
| 04:33.41 | mrpull-x | but they are making progress |
| 04:33.50 | goozbach | I'm kinda sad/excited to see what sprint does with android |
| 04:33.55 | goozbach | supossed to come out this year. |
| 04:34.20 | goozbach | sad cause I'm already on tmobile with the G1 / excited cause I really like sprint's network |
| 04:35.38 | mrpull-x | is tmobile g3 yet? |
| 04:35.39 | mrpull-x | 3G |
| 04:36.28 | Supaplex | partially |
| 04:36.43 | mrpull-x | why doesn't KUCW broadcast SNL in HD? |
| 04:42.50 | levi | Do they broadcast anything in HD? |
| 04:43.07 | mrpull-x | i recall seeing one of their nighttime soaps in HD |
| 04:43.14 | mrpull-x | i dont know what it was called |
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| 04:48.48 | levi | Hmm, not even picking it up on this TV. |
| 04:50.33 | levi | Ahh, there we go. |
| 04:50.40 | levi | Ahh, King of Queens. |
| 04:52.39 | mrpull-x | i dont believe KoQ was ever in HD |
| 04:53.13 | levi | Nope. |
| 04:53.29 | levi | That's just what's on now. |
| 04:56.02 | levi | I think they broadcast everything in 720p or something, though. |
| 04:56.36 | levi | My converter box displays it with a black border. |
| 04:57.17 | goozbach | anyone know the settings for the plug.org jabber server? |
| 04:57.34 | goozbach | I'm trying to re-configure bitlbee, and I'm having a bugger of a time |
| 04:58.28 | levi | I love digital tv. |
| 05:03.16 | mrpull-x | i'm happy i bought an OTA antenna for KJZZ... not only does DirecTV not broadcast their HD signal |
| 05:03.22 | mrpull-x | they friggin dropped them on Jan 1 |
| 05:04.54 | levi | I'm happy I don't have cable or satellite. |
| 05:05.28 | mrpull-x | digital certainly leveled the playing field a bunch |
| 05:05.55 | mrpull-x | but for a guy that watches sports for leisure time, dish is still king |
| 05:06.25 | levi | A couple of networks now have sports-only subchannels. |
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| 05:09.59 | mrpull-x | yeah but my teams are still on dish/cable only stations |
| 05:10.31 | levi | Well, just get some new teams. There are lots. ;) |
| 05:15.06 | mrpull-x | levi: hehe... somehow i guessed you'd say that |
| 05:16.38 | mrpull-x | hehehehe... it took me a few seconds to get this evenings xkcd |
| 05:17.26 | elg | i don't understand why anyone would want to watch sports for leisure when there is so much sci-fi waiting to be devoured |
| 05:18.17 | levi | mrpull-x: Heh, a 'minature pianist', eh? |
| 05:18.57 | mrpull-x | yup. that can be my new excuse in the future. |
| 05:20.23 | mrpull-x | elg: we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. |
| 05:20.30 | elg | :) |
| 05:21.05 | mrpull-x | i just turned on the 48 Hours episode about Hans Reiser |
| 05:21.37 | mrpull-x | i followed Wired's coverage pretty closely... but the moving pictures make it more "real" |
| 05:29.18 | elg | heh. new.familysearch.org could use the acronym NFS |
| 05:29.23 | elg | i hope that's not too forboding |
| 05:30.01 | levi | I wonder if I can use it yet. |
| 05:30.09 | levi | Not that I really do any genealogy. |
| 07:47.13 | Sargun | NFS = Network File System... |
| 07:47.18 | Sargun | NFSO. |
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| 16:50.03 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Heckuva job, Bushie. |
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| 17:04.47 | sjansen | ~seen hans |
| 17:04.48 | ibot | hans <n=hanschri@ool-182d0a7f.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 136d 1h 37m 51s ago, saying: 'blathijs: I think OE can use .deb. and .ipk, it seems to be vaguely debian based'. |
| 17:04.54 | sjansen | ~seen elg |
| 17:04.55 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@c-76-113-97-1.hsd1.nm.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 11h 35m 32s ago, saying: 'i hope that's not too forboding'. |
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| 17:26.48 | tensai | sjansen: elg alert! |
| 17:28.02 | sjansen | tensai: Have no fear, I've already harassed him. |
| 17:28.10 | sjansen | ~gaim buddy pounces++ |
| 17:30.21 | sjansen | ~give tensai a reward for his help |
| 17:30.22 | ibot | ACTION gives a reward for his help to tensai |
| 17:30.48 | tensai | anything I can do to get elg harassed, I'm there |
| 17:35.37 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 17:35.37 | ibot | whacks tensai with a giant beaver's tail |
| 17:36.19 | elg | In my defense, I was at the dentist this morning which is why i forgot to report in |
| 17:46.10 | sjansen | elg: As your punishment, you must return to the dentist for another cleaning and lecture about flossing. |
| 17:51.27 | Supaplex | ~floss elg |
| 17:51.53 | Supaplex | sjansen: you sure told him. :p |
| 17:54.48 | levi | Good morning. |
| 17:54.53 | RyanE | Morning. |
| 17:55.14 | levi | How goes it? |
| 17:55.17 | Supaplex | ponders $lunch |
| 17:59.08 | levi | It's only 11! |
| 17:59.20 | levi | Lunch doesn't start until 11:30. :) |
| 17:59.33 | Supaplex | it starts when /dev/stomach says so |
| 18:04.54 | MrTeye | Would someone steer me to a good place start brushing up on linux box security? |
| 18:12.43 | tensai | post your IP and root password. we'll let you know what we find. |
| 18:12.49 | Supaplex | hahahaa |
| 18:13.59 | tensai | I liked the hacking exposed series of books |
| 18:14.46 | tensai | this seems like a good start. http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/LDP/Security-HOWTO/ |
| 18:17.38 | Supaplex | candy that tastes like cough drops. yuck! |
| 18:17.51 | RyanE | cough drops that taste like candy? yum! |
| 18:18.35 | RyanE | candy that tastes like cough drops that taste like candy? Priceless. |
| 18:18.38 | MrTeye | Funny. |
| 18:19.20 | MrTeye | Ok...root and blank, 216.239.51.99 |
| 18:19.42 | Supaplex | I have the same thing, but on 127.0.0.1. hummm |
| 18:19.47 | RyanE | heh |
| 18:21.37 | MrTeye | Thanks for the sources. |
| 18:32.05 | sjansen | MrTeye: Remember to mix everything you read with a healthy helping of skepticism. There's some pretty bad advice out there. |
| 18:32.53 | sjansen | A good warning sign is any guide that says "do this" without explaining the why is probably up in the night, cargo cult security. |
| 18:34.28 | sjansen | MrTeye: http://www.bofh-hunter.com/2009/01/09/supportable-linux-security/ |
| 18:47.11 | MrTeye | sjansen: thanks |
| 18:53.25 | Supaplex | finishes off a glass of certified organic milk. yummy. |
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| 18:55.33 | unum | did everyone else read the sans article that was on /. |
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| 18:57.16 | unum | above all else KISS |
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| 18:59.49 | elg | sans? |
| 19:00.47 | unum | you've never heard of sans? |
| 19:00.58 | fozzmoo | I would liek to see Slashdot sans-articles. :) |
| 19:02.31 | elg | i've heard of sans as a part of words |
| 19:02.32 | elg | sans-serif |
| 19:02.34 | elg | sans-slashdot |
| 19:02.35 | elg | etc. |
| 19:03.05 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.06 | sjansen | sans the security group? |
| 19:03.13 | unum | oops |
| 19:03.22 | unum | ya sans the security group |
| 19:03.28 | sjansen | url? |
| 19:03.31 | unum | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=5644 |
| 19:04.07 | romanovic | sjansen, where's the sllug meeting this week? |
| 19:04.31 | romanovic | i've been out of the loop |
| 19:04.46 | sjansen | I imagine it's at the same bat time, same bat place. Assuming mecworks has lined up a presenter. |
| 19:05.17 | elg | ~whack sjansen |
| 19:05.18 | ibot | ACTION whacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 19:05.30 | sjansen | Time: 7:10pm |
| 19:05.31 | sjansen | Place: Warnock Engineering Building (WEB) room 101 (Previously known as EMCB) |
| 19:05.39 | sjansen | (per sllug.org) |
| 19:05.57 | elg | is the warnock engineering building very large? like maybe, world sized? world-wide maybe? |
| 19:06.01 | sjansen | mecworks hasn't been keeping the Web site updated, but that doesn't mean there won't be a meeting |
| 19:06.01 | romanovic | sjansen, thanks. |
| 19:06.07 | romanovic | its nice |
| 19:06.30 | romanovic | i have some classes in the new section of the building this semester, i'm impressed |
| 19:07.29 | sjansen | MrTeye: You caught that SANS link, right? There's several groups like SANS, Dept. Homeland Security, etc. that have advice and checklists. |
| 19:08.02 | Sargun | DHS -- you do not want to follow DHS's advice |
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| 19:09.55 | elg | sjansen: btw, I am wholly underwhelmed by MT |
| 19:10.18 | elg | underwhelmed may be the wrong word |
| 19:10.23 | tensai | Sargun: that's a bit broad of a statement. you just have to be selective. for example, don't wrap your servers in plastic and duct tape to protect against chemical attacks. |
| 19:10.25 | elg | at odds with, perhaps |
| 19:11.23 | sjansen | elg: *shrug* |
| 19:11.26 | elg | very quirky, oddly designed (looks like it was designed by a perl programmer), poorly documented (many assumptions about the odd design decisions and funky terminology that left me completely in the dark) |
| 19:11.31 | Supaplex | but everyone wants to shred their filesystems and init 0.... |
| 19:12.06 | elg | and though I can appreciate the desire for static publishing it took 10s of minutes every time I tweaked something to republish my stuff |
| 19:12.20 | sjansen | Sargun: Depending on who you work for you do. |
| 19:12.42 | elg | and it was nigh impossible to figure out how to turn on dynamic publishing (all the online docs were for v3 and didn't apply - finally I had to go to #movabletype), and when I finally did, though I was working with a fresh install, it just didn't work |
| 19:13.00 | elg | itw as dying in the php template, and no logs in the apache error logs, and no help. |
| 19:13.47 | elg | so i went to wordpress, which in spite of being implemented in PHP and not having SQLite support, was easy to install continues to be easy to upgrade |
| 19:15.18 | elg | before that point i was tempted to go back to typo or that other hip rails blog (mephisto) but both showed signs of negligence (typo's website is all but MIA and important bits of mephisto's website *were* MIA) |
| 19:15.35 | Sargun | sjansen, I'm in California, unless you work for a defense contractor, you laugh in the face of DHS |
| 19:18.36 | sjansen | Yes, good idea, ignore potential useful information because of its source. |
| 19:19.24 | sjansen | Almost as wise an allowing bureaucrats to rewrite scientific reports to match political ideology. |
| 19:24.48 | levi | elg: Now you see the real reason why everyone abandoned MT once there was a viable alternative. :) |
| 19:26.52 | levi | elg: It turned out that static publishing was also a serious lose when you had to republish the world constantly because lots of people were leaving comments. |
| 19:27.30 | elg | incidentally, I thought typo was getting slow, but it's nothing compared to MT and WP |
| 19:27.45 | elg | MT was fast to serve its static pages, but the admin interface etc. |
| 19:27.53 | elg | not too slow for my lowly blog, but noticeable |
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| 19:28.08 | elg | but slowness isn't why i left typo |
| 19:28.29 | levi | My custom lisp blog engine remains speedy. :) |
| 19:29.06 | levi | I'll bet it would fall over and die if I got slashdotted or whatever, but since I don't update it, that's highly unlikely. |
| 19:32.06 | elg | :) |
| 19:32.24 | elg | sets up aliases for the old feed urls |
| 19:32.30 | elg | brace yourselves for planet spam |
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| 19:36.12 | levi | elg: So, why did you leave typo in the first place? |
| 19:36.29 | elg | got sick of breakage |
| 19:36.50 | elg | every time i'd try to update (infrequently) something would break |
| 19:37.02 | levi | Solution: don't update. ;) |
| 19:37.23 | elg | the community has been waning for some time (many migrated to mephisto which i haven't looked at in depth but look less than interesting) |
| 19:37.35 | elg | indeed, which made me update even less frequently :) |
| 19:37.54 | elg | but occasionally i'd have a need or desire to update and the process was just too painful |
| 19:38.32 | elg | so anyway, i left because my days of tinkering with blog software under the hood are gone |
| 19:38.48 | elg | i just want something that works and doesn't get in my way, and that means going mainstream |
| 19:39.31 | levi | It's sad that there aren't any other mainstream blog engines. |
| 19:40.07 | elg | i was hoping to find one that didn't suck. oh well. wp doesn't seem too bad |
| 19:40.34 | levi | So, I watched The Golden Compass last night. Now I'm sad that it looks like the rest of the trilogy is unlikely to be filmed. |
| 19:40.40 | elg | seems fragile in the standard php way, but with enough vibrance to counterbalance... for now anyway |
| 19:41.02 | elg | i heard the golden compass was directed by satan himself |
| 19:41.04 | levi | Yeah, WP looks reasonable, but I really don't want to run any PHP apps. |
| 19:41.09 | elg | or something like that |
| 19:41.44 | levi | No, it was intentionally mellowed to lure children into reading the books, which were written by satan himself. |
| 19:42.07 | elg | yeah, that's what it was |
| 19:42.41 | levi | Of course, the atheists were mad that it was mellowed. The author thought it was just right, though. |
| 19:43.10 | levi | The controversy was only slightly less silly than the Harry Potter controversy. |
| 19:45.51 | elg | which one? :) |
| 19:46.23 | levi | Well, the 'Harry Potter will corrupt our kids because it's about witchcraft!' nonsense. |
| 19:49.56 | fungus | read the entire Golden Compass series |
| 19:50.08 | fungus | I'm really bummed about missing the rest of the movies. |
| 19:51.21 | Supaplex | sup fungus |
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| 19:52.21 | brac | drops a truckload of VAXen on Tene |
| 19:52.36 | fungus | ~lart religious fanatics |
| 19:52.36 | ibot | slaps religious fanatics upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:53.54 | levi | Any faith that can't stand up to a children's novel is not worth much, anyway. |
| 19:54.21 | Supaplex | any parent that fears for not knowing the truth is much the same |
| 19:55.10 | Supaplex | kids can be smart enough to know fantasy from reality, if they're enabled to learn that |
| 19:55.28 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Happy MLKJr day! |
| 19:56.08 | elg | speaking of children's stories and religion, I didn't like the narnia books very much |
| 19:56.24 | levi | Of course, religious instutions speaking out against the books and attempting to suppress them plays right into the allegory set up in the books. |
| 19:56.43 | elg | the movies are fun enough, at least so far, but the books are just ... dunno. magician's nephew was more interesting |
| 19:56.48 | levi | (or set up in the movie, anyway; I haven't read the books yet) |
| 19:57.48 | levi | I read the Narnia books while I was a kid and I loved them. My subsequent adult readings were probably affected by nostalgia, but I recall liking them then. |
| 19:57.56 | fungus | The GC series doesn't promote atheism, if anything, it promotes critical thinking, and one's own search for truth. |
| 19:58.00 | elg | maybe if i had read them as a kid |
| 19:58.17 | elg | but i seem to remember thinking narnia hysteria was silly as a kid too |
| 19:58.38 | elg | maybe i'm just not much for talking lions |
| 19:59.22 | fungus | The Narnia books were probably my first foray into fantasy, so I gobbled it up and loved it |
| 20:00.13 | elg | i look forward to reading the prydain books to my son when he's old enough |
| 20:00.29 | levi | I'm pretty sure the Prydain books were my first fantasy. |
| 20:00.41 | elg | perhaps I was spoiled by alexander and hence unimpressed by lewis |
| 20:00.44 | levi | A Wrinkle in Time was my first sci-fi. |
| 20:00.52 | elg | also excellent |
| 20:00.59 | levi | I read The Hobbit pretty early on, too. |
| 20:01.39 | jshipley1 | I loved the Narnia books, but didn't really like the movie |
| 20:01.57 | fungus | Tolkien came a litter later for me, probably around 13 or 14. |
| 20:02.03 | levi | I enjoyed both Narnia movies so far, though I wasn't really in love with them. |
| 20:02.13 | elg | i tried to read the lotr somewhere in my teens (early I think) and failed utterly |
| 20:02.41 | jshipley1 | I think I read the Hobbit, and tried to read lotr when I was about 10... |
| 20:02.42 | elg | then i tried reading the silmarillion in my 20s somewhere and failed utterly :) |
| 20:03.09 | elg | i'm listening to the silmarillion now and having no trouble with it (though it's hard to keep track of all those names with the verbal presentation) |
| 20:03.15 | levi | Yeah, I read lotr fairly early on, but I also failed at the silmarillion a couple of times. |
| 20:03.41 | jshipley1 | I still haven't read silmarillion... I tried it once |
| 20:04.35 | jshipley | In my early teens I did read pretty much every Star Wars book written to date |
| 20:04.46 | levi | I also had Unfinished Tales, and I read parts of it, but never did finish all of it. |
| 20:04.48 | elg | that's a lot of star wars books |
| 20:04.55 | jshipley | As well as the entire Redwall (Brian Jacques) series |
| 20:05.02 | elg | children of hurin (recent release) was pretty good |
| 20:05.16 | elg | i read a bunch of those books with encyclopdia brown |
| 20:05.17 | jshipley | elg: I think that there are way more Star Wars books now than there were then |
| 20:05.34 | levi | I read 2 or 3 Star Wars books, aside from the film novelizations. |
| 20:05.40 | jshipley | And I probably only read a fraction then... but I did read all that the library had |
| 20:05.47 | elg | i used to read star trek novels. some of them were quite good |
| 20:05.51 | levi | I also read some Battletech books. |
| 20:06.00 | Supaplex | I read a lot of books I never paid attention to. |
| 20:06.06 | levi | And, when I was younger, I inhaled all the Robotech books. |
| 20:06.14 | levi | I still have most of them. |
| 20:07.39 | unum | I didn't really read any sci-fi or fantasty until I was an adult |
| 20:08.20 | jshipley | The other authors I read a lot of were Isaac Asimov, Orson Scott Card, and Terry Brooks |
| 20:08.23 | unum | I remember reading one sci-fi book for an english class(we had to read a bunch of differente genre's) and enjoying it, but I didn't ever get around to reading an other one |
| 20:10.56 | jshipley | unum: do you remember what it was called? |
| 20:12.12 | unum | jshipley: nope |
| 20:12.22 | unum | it wasn't a famous one |
| 20:23.08 | levi | Do you recall what it was about? |
| 20:23.09 | sjansen | unum: Animcal Farm? |
| 20:23.24 | sjansen | unum: The Lottery? |
| 20:23.48 | sjansen | unum: Flowers for Algernon? |
| 20:24.08 | sjansen | sjansen: Jaws? |
| 20:24.36 | sjansen | emcnabb: Doce de Leite? |
| 20:24.56 | emcnabb | sjansen, get back to work |
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| 20:25.21 | Jayce^ | emcnabb?? who let him in here |
| 20:25.30 | sjansen | emcnabb: Would you be happier if I said Leche? |
| 20:25.31 | emcnabb | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:25.31 | ibot | shoots Jayce^ in the head |
| 20:25.43 | *** kick/#utah [emcnabb!n=jayce@office2.bluehost.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
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| 20:26.17 | sjansen | ~give emcnabb ops |
| 20:26.18 | ibot | ACTION gives ops to emcnabb |
| 20:27.23 | unum | sjansen: I've read animal farm and lottery but they were not it |
| 20:28.05 | unum | it was one of those ones where you have space travel but most people are still dirt poor |
| 20:28.14 | unum | not dune I read that in high school though |
| 20:28.26 | unum | that was probably the next sci-fi book I read |
| 20:28.33 | unum | unless you count animal farm.... |
| 20:28.45 | sjansen | The Jungle? |
| 20:29.00 | Jayce^ | mrpull, welcome to the iFold |
| 20:29.16 | mrpull | Jayce^: it feels a little dirty |
| 20:29.41 | mrpull | this "no service" message had better stop really soon now |
| 20:29.43 | unum | I still need to read that |
| 20:29.47 | unum | I have it on my book shelf |
| 20:30.02 | unum | tr is my favorite |
| 20:30.10 | levi | o/~ Welcome to the jungle! ./~ |
| 20:30.51 | mrpull | welcome to the jungle might be one of the coolest songs of all time |
| 20:31.40 | Jayce^ | fun on Guitar Hero too |
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| 20:39.46 | jshipley | isn't everything :) |
| 20:55.49 | levi | Hmm, I can't run the iPhone SDK on my lowly G4 iBook. |
| 20:57.57 | Supaplex | pity |
| 20:58.05 | Supaplex | ~lart iPhone SDK |
| 20:58.05 | ibot | gives iPhone SDK a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 20:58.16 | Supaplex | justice :D |
| 21:00.30 | levi | Hmm, I could get a refurbished 13" aluminum MacBook for $1100. |
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| 21:29.57 | unum | hmm usermod won't work if the user isn't in /etc/passwd |
| 21:31.45 | unum | I guess I should stop trying to mix ldap and non-ldap stuff |
| 21:34.35 | tensai | unum: but where's the fun in that? |
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| 21:47.11 | levi | Hah, this picture is full of win: http://kinod.net/linhbergh/photos/_2009/01-18-09/DSC_0129.jpg |
| 21:47.31 | utahcon | lol |
| 21:48.24 | levi | That is, apparently, the Atom 500. Has a 500 hp V8 in it. |
| 21:49.14 | Sargun | Isn't the Atom a CPU? |
| 21:49.28 | Sargun | or a particle? |
| 21:49.59 | jshipley | Sargun, yes, and yes |
| 21:50.00 | levi | Wow, are you just encountering the phenomenon of the same name applying to different things in different contexts? :P |
| 21:50.26 | Sargun | I didn't know particles or CPUs contained piston-based engines? |
| 21:51.21 | high_roller | it would funnier if there was a car right before it with luke skywalker and R2D2 |
| 21:51.38 | high_roller | maybe a dodge charger |
| 21:51.52 | high_roller | an old one, not the new one |
| 21:51.53 | levi | There's another pic floating around of a stormtrooper-helmeted dude in a white Lotus Exige. |
| 21:52.58 | high_roller | yea, that one took me a minute to figure out what was going on |
| 21:53.18 | levi | This guy is also full of awesomeness: dpcars.net |
| 21:58.12 | high_roller | That guy keeps his bikes in his house, he is awesome (or not married) |
| 21:58.28 | high_roller | http://dpcars.net/ps/ps1.htm |
| 21:58.28 | levi | He is married. |
| 21:58.34 | levi | His wife is starting to race motorcycles. |
| 21:58.45 | levi | See "M's Corner" |
| 22:01.11 | Sargun | hot wife racing motorcycles? |
| 22:02.49 | levi | It's kind of sad that he's disassembled the dp1 prototype. |
| 22:06.44 | unum | anyone know how to add a user to an ldap posix group using net-ldap in perl |
| 22:38.59 | MrTeye | sjansen: Got the link...good lookin out. |
| 22:43.29 | MrTeye | What's this all about? -Have no DMZ for Internet-accessible servers. |
| 22:47.06 | sjansen | MrTeye: A little more context would be nice, otherwise all we can do is comment on individual terms. |
| 22:48.41 | MrTeye | I was checking out the link http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=5644 on How to suck at security and this was on the list... Any ideas? I thought this was primarily used for routers and unhindered access. |
| 22:49.41 | MrTeye | Are they implying I should have my server setup as a router if it's connected to the inet? |
| 22:53.08 | unum | which specific item are you refferring to |
| 22:53.58 | sjansen | DMZ = Demilitarized Zone. In other words, computer that are reachable from the Internet should be on a different network than internal only machines. Traffic between your DMZ and internal machines should be carefully filtered to allow only absolutely necessary traffic through. |
| 22:57.13 | unum | your router should allow a dmz and a non-dmz |
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| 23:04.20 | tensai | which is a specific instance of the idea of separating your data. ideally, youre engineering network would be separated from say your accounting network and any communication between them should be specifically allowed. |
| 23:05.06 | unum | seperates his network from tensai's |
| 23:05.43 | tensai | keep in mind that security is not some bullet list to check off. there are always trade-offs and you have to decide which practices are worth your time and effort to implement. |
| 23:06.15 | tensai | e.g., if you have data worth $50,000 it is not wise to spend $100,000 to protect it |
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| 23:20.04 | harleypig | hmmm ... someone thought I was scary for real, huh? |
| 23:20.12 | harleypig | until they met me in person |
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| 23:30.01 | tensai | harleypig: then they *knew* |
| 23:30.07 | tensai | :) |
| 23:32.44 | harleypig | heh ... apparently not ... my onjoin seems to indicate someone was underwhelmed |
| 23:32.52 | harleypig | thas' all right ... just wait for a dark alley moment. |
| 23:33.00 | tensai | ~onjoin harleypig |
| 23:33.00 | ibot | onjoin for harleypig set by brac on Fri Jan 16 12:21:09 2009: No, not that scary, am I? |
| 23:33.13 | harleypig | ohhh ... sneaky |
| 23:33.28 | tensai | brac: chat ~onjoin harleypig |
| 23:33.28 | brac | ~onjoin harleypig No, not really.. I would unlock the account or domain may not like they went out of control kids and parents not parenting. |
| 23:33.28 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 23:33.52 | harleypig | ~onjoin harleypig oink! |
| 23:33.52 | ibot | ok, harleypig |
| 23:34.08 | harleypig | ibot, lock my onjoin, mmkay? |
| 23:34.41 | tensai | sorry, no way to lock an onjoin |
| 23:36.15 | harleypig | tensai: I know ... was just playing with ibot |
| 23:36.29 | tensai | harleypig: patches welcome :) |
| 23:41.23 | harleypig | It's not like I have anything else to do at the moment :/ |
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| 23:45.25 | elg | someone hit me |
| 23:45.46 | elg | just spent 2 days debugging a neural network that was working fine |
| 23:45.49 | Supaplex | ~lart elg |
| 23:45.49 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that elg is stuck to the floor |
| 23:46.07 | elg | because i made an error in my report code - my report wasn't telling me what i thought it was |
| 23:46.18 | Supaplex | fun |
| 23:46.21 | tensai | ~hit elg |
| 23:46.22 | ibot | ACTION slaps elg. |
| 23:48.48 | elg | tensai: it is wise to spend 100k to protect your 50k of data, if you are spending it on me |
| 23:49.23 | elg | puts 50k in the bank for to replace your lost data and pockets the other 50k |
| 23:49.56 | goozbach | elg: you know the settings for the plug jabber server? |
| 23:50.07 | elg | as in how to get on? |
| 23:50.14 | goozbach | my bitlbee installation took a dump, and I'm trying to re-create my config from scratch. |
| 23:50.19 | goozbach | yes, how to get on |
| 23:50.23 | goozbach | host/port etc |
| 23:50.29 | elg | jabber.plug.org |
| 23:50.39 | elg | 5222 |
| 23:59.29 | tensai | so I'm curious, why should I use jabber.plug.org? |
