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| 02:26.52 | elg | twiddles thumbs |
| 02:28.02 | levi | elg: One of the free iTunes downloads right now is a Bach violin concerto. |
| 02:37.13 | toofer | Do you guys use a command in here to direct messages in chat to each other? |
| 02:37.20 | toofer | Sorry, pretty new to IRC |
| 02:38.02 | Sargun | you can use @$PERSON if you want to look like a noob. |
| 02:38.18 | Sargun | /msg $TARGET $MESSAGE |
| 02:38.25 | toofer | Doesn't everyone? |
| 02:38.25 | Sargun | is the way to PM someone |
| 02:38.37 | Sargun | or /query $PERSON if you want to open a dialog |
| 02:38.54 | toofer | Well I was meaning like what levi did with elg |
| 02:39.16 | toofer | Maybe it doesn't in your view, but in my view it shows elg: message to to elg |
| 02:39.41 | toofer | when I do a /query it opens new window for me |
| 02:43.52 | Sargun | oh, its like ${NICK}${SEPARATOR} ${MESSAGE} |
| 02:44.45 | Sargun | ($SEPARATOR in [":", ","]) == True |
| 02:45.03 | fozzmoo | Yes. /query is a private message. |
| 02:45.16 | Sargun | toofer, see... |
| 02:45.18 | fozzmoo | Most chat clients do tab-completion on the nicks. |
| 02:45.28 | Sargun | NICK=toofer |
| 02:45.35 | Sargun | SEPARATOR=: |
| 02:45.44 | fozzmoo | If I type "too" and then hit TAB, then my client prepends "toofer: " before the rest of my message. |
| 02:45.46 | Sargun | $MESSAGE="see..." |
| 02:45.49 | Sargun | err |
| 02:45.49 | toofer | dude, tab completion rules! |
| 02:45.51 | Sargun | MESSAGE="see..." |
| 02:46.03 | fozzmoo | Tab completion does rule. |
| 02:46.09 | fozzmoo | Tab-completion FTW |
| 02:47.19 | toofer | wow, thanks for your help. That makes things so much easier |
| 02:47.44 | fozzmoo | np |
| 02:47.58 | fozzmoo | toofer: Where are you? |
| 02:48.22 | toofer | fozzmoo: Orem |
| 02:48.35 | fozzmoo | toofer: K. I'm in Riverton. |
| 02:48.46 | toofer | fozzmoo: sweet |
| 02:48.48 | fozzmoo | Sargun isn't in Utah. He's an enigma. |
| 02:49.02 | Heartsbane | is that what we call it |
| 02:49.06 | toofer | fozzmoo: so do you go to the PLUG or SLLUG meets? |
| 02:49.10 | levi | Sargun isn't an enigma, he's just a groupie. |
| 02:49.14 | fozzmoo | toofer: Yes. Both, if I can. |
| 02:49.30 | fozzmoo | toofer: But I usually make it to PLUG meetings. |
| 02:50.23 | toofer | fozzmoo: I signed up on the PLUG mailing lists a bit ago, but am just starting to get active. I guess I just barely missed the last meeting a couple of days ago |
| 02:50.48 | fozzmoo | toofer: The presenter didn't show, so you may or may not have missed anything. |
| 02:50.49 | levi | toofer: Don't take the off-topic discussion on PLUG too seriously. :) |
| 02:51.05 | fozzmoo | toofer: It turned into a 2-3 hour social event. |
| 02:51.12 | toofer | haha |
| 02:51.19 | fozzmoo | Well, as social as a bunch of Linux geeks can get. |
| 02:51.23 | toofer | levi: thanks |
| 02:51.47 | toofer | levi: since your iTunes does that mean that you're using a Mac as well? |
| 02:52.00 | fozzmoo | Next month, Barry Roberts is talking about git, so it should be a good one. |
| 02:52.05 | levi | I use a variety of OSes. |
| 02:52.15 | levi | My Mac is out of commission at the moment, though. :( |
| 02:52.23 | fozzmoo | toofer: levi is a pseudo-diverse OS guy. ;-) |
| 02:52.32 | levi | fozzmoo: Pseudo-diverse? |
| 02:52.53 | fozzmoo | (and he's sensitive to people using the word "pseudo" when describing him.) |
| 02:52.58 | toofer | I like to use about everything myself |
| 02:53.15 | toofer | although at the moment I have no Windows machines. |
| 02:53.18 | levi | Man, I hack on everything from the old free version of uC/OS to QNX to Linux to OS X to Windows. |
| 02:53.27 | fozzmoo | points at levi |
| 02:53.29 | fozzmoo | See what I mean? |
| 02:53.39 | toofer | yeah, that's quite the variety |
| 02:53.53 | toofer | I don't even know what uC/OS is |
| 02:54.01 | fozzmoo | I would like to own a Mac. |
| 02:54.08 | fozzmoo | I think I'll pay off my house first. ;-) |
| 02:54.36 | levi | This embedded programmer guy wrote his own little realtime OS and submitted it to a trade magazine as an article. |
| 02:55.04 | fozzmoo | I've finally had some exposure to Plan 9 recently. |
| 02:55.07 | levi | He later developed it into a book, and a commercial product. But the one I'm using is based on the magazine version, I believe. |
| 02:55.48 | toofer | anyone ever use TL1 on a PBX? |
| 02:57.27 | fozzmoo | not me. |
| 02:57.32 | levi | Nope. |
| 02:59.30 | toofer | It's a pretty old language that AT&T used to use for controlling their switches. |
| 02:59.46 | toofer | You can still find some old DMS-100 switches I believe that support it. |
| 03:01.17 | toofer | levi: I'm interested in learning about some development on Mac. Have any recommendations for Objective-C books? |
| 03:02.08 | levi | Here's a link to the original uC/OS source: ftp://ftp.embedded.com/pub/1992/ucos.zip |
| 03:02.48 | levi | toofer: Well, I got the Aaron Hillegas book a long time ago, and it was really good then. I'm not sure how well it's been updated, but it'd be worth a look. |
| 03:04.36 | toofer | levi: thanks for the link to uC/OS. I'll check it out. |
| 03:05.28 | levi | It might be fun to play with, if you're interested in minimal operating systems, but it's not exactly in the same league as Linux. |
| 03:05.56 | levi | Or minix, even. |
| 03:08.00 | toofer | The closest I've ever really come to playing around with LFS. Before I completed installing the system I got too distracted with other things though. |
| 03:08.53 | toofer | I'm pretty noob, but I've been working on CentOS for a bit. I have a couple of servers in a lab environment that I mess around with. Mostly learning adminstration and security type stuff. |
| 03:09.08 | levi | uC/OS is more suited for microcontrollers than PCs. No command line; you just link it with your program and it runs at boot. |
| 03:09.22 | toofer | The only real "development" I've done is in bash |
| 03:09.40 | fozzmoo | There's a lot you can do with bash. |
| 03:09.50 | levi | Wow, the test programs from the ucos.zip run in a DOS box in XP. |
| 03:10.12 | toofer | you didn't have to compile them or anything? |
| 03:10.20 | levi | It came with them pre-compiled. |
| 03:10.51 | levi | It'd take a bit of work to get it to compile with a modern compiler. They're set up for Borland C++ of a 1992 vintage. |
| 03:11.09 | fozzmoo | Been there. |
| 03:11.16 | fozzmoo | Turbo C++ :) |
| 03:11.59 | toofer | woah, never used it. I did fail a C++ class a while back in about 2003. Does that count? |
| 03:12.05 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 03:12.38 | levi | The coolest toy I've got to play with at work (though, unfortunately, I haven't played much) is this: https://www.xmos.com/products/xdk |
| 03:15.31 | fozzmoo | The "hello world" is a flashing LED? |
| 03:15.47 | fozzmoo | Fun. |
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| 03:18.11 | levi | They gave us training on them and each of us got one of these: https://www.xmos.com/products/xc1 |
| 03:18.18 | toofer | that does look pretty cool |
| 03:18.30 | levi | The xdk is, of course, way cooler. |
| 03:18.50 | levi | They've got some youtube videos of the xdks hooked up to little robot platforms. |
| 03:24.15 | Sargun | XDK as inthe xbox XDK? |
| 03:26.36 | levi | Sargun: No, as in the xmos XDK. |
| 03:26.54 | Sargun | ooh, that's kind of neat |
| 03:27.38 | Sargun | what's so special about it, other than the fact it has 4 cores |
| 03:28.07 | levi | It's got a special architecture that makes it optimized for low-level, hardware-like tasks. |
| 03:28.52 | levi | For example, it drives the LCD display directly from software out to the IO ports. |
| 03:29.13 | levi | They've also got a software Ethernet MAC. |
| 03:29.25 | levi | (the PHY is still in hardware, of course) |
| 03:29.46 | elg | in a random moment of insight, |
| 03:30.32 | elg | hates it when a project's home page is a bunch of news that's irrelevant to someone who A) wants to know what the project does and/or B) wants to know why he should consider installing it |
| 03:30.50 | elg | have a news page, for crying out loud |
| 03:31.08 | levi | I hate it when people say things like 'in a random moment of insight,' and never share that insight. |
| 03:31.28 | elg | it wasn't insightful? :-) |
| 03:31.39 | levi | elg: BTW, did you see about the free Bach violin concerto track on iTunes? |
| 03:32.00 | elg | i did, and then apt jumped off a cliff |
| 03:32.05 | elg | i've managed to save it though |
| 03:32.15 | levi | Ah, I hate it when apt does that. |
| 03:32.25 | elg | i suppose it's partly my fault |
| 03:32.44 | levi | is listening to Dvorak violin+piano pieces now. |
| 03:32.45 | elg | i changed my sources from etch to lenny then tried to install something that wanted to pull a bunch of other things (including libc of course) |
| 03:32.55 | levi | Oooh. |
| 03:33.01 | elg | but still a lot less things than a proper dist-upgrade |
| 03:33.13 | elg | something went wrong, and in trying to fix it I made things worse |
| 03:33.30 | levi | Straddling two different releases is tempting fate. |
| 03:33.30 | elg | we're back on track now |
| 03:33.58 | levi | Anyway, it's time for me to go watch some Stargate. |
| 03:34.24 | elg | yes indeed. so mostly my fault |
| 03:34.32 | elg | apt and I are old sparring partners though |
| 03:34.49 | elg | i'm not nearly as daring as i used to be |
| 03:34.55 | elg | i used to pin across 3 versions iirc |
| 03:35.31 | levi | I was never that crazy, but I too have a history with apt that goes way back. :) |
| 03:35.58 | levi | Not to mention my old friend dselect. |
| 03:37.44 | levi | Ah, those were the days. You could reasonably consider going through every single bit of Debian software in the menu to see if you wanted to install it or not. And all the open source software in the world was available from one or two ftp sites. I miss sunsite. :) |
| 03:38.22 | elg | yeah. this server that used to also be a desktop has a whole bunch of cruft on it, which is why dist-upgrade would take forever |
| 03:38.30 | elg | but I don't know of an easy way to eliminate the cruft |
| 03:38.52 | elg | short of enumerating all the stuff that must be installed, marking everything as auto-installed and then manually marking the stuff that must be installed |
| 03:39.01 | elg | which is probably what i'll do... whenever I do it |
| 04:14.52 | tensai | I can confirm that the 0-# bug is resolved in the latest svn of 1.4 |
| 04:15.07 | tensai | oops. wrong window. |
| 04:33.04 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 04:33.04 | brac | replaces tensai's hypertension pills with rat poison pellets |
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| 05:27.51 | Supaplex | ~rlart |
| 05:27.51 | ibot | plops herlo into a giant vat of herring |
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| 06:43.24 | Sargun | holy-crap mheath had a kid |
| 06:48.00 | Tene | wtf? |
| 06:48.23 | bonez45 | a baby goat? |
| 06:49.00 | RyanE | bat boy |
| 06:49.25 | Sargun | daughter |
| 06:49.27 | Sargun | I feel bad for her |
| 06:52.45 | Sargun | ~seen mheath |
| 06:52.46 | ibot | mheath <i=d898d001@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-70195e34fab43c0d> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu-us-ut, 54d 1h 52m 58s ago, saying: 'It doesn't matter, for example, that Ubuntu has a great music system or that we can point them to a music store to download music in the non-DRM'd ogg format if the user has an ipod and every piece of music they own is from the itunes music store.'. |
| 06:53.06 | Sargun | ~logs |
| 06:53.07 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 06:53.34 | Sargun | ~help seen |
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| 07:06.43 | Sargun | /exec -o cat /dev/urandom |
| 07:25.50 | Sargun | 17:45.40 mheath emcnabb: you do know your giving me crap about alot of stuff tha caused me to attempt |
| 07:25.51 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.52 | Sargun | Good times... |
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