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| 00:11.20 | gabegundy | Sargun: where are you? |
| 00:11.31 | redbeard2 | gabegundy: have you talked to fozz? |
| 00:11.42 | gabegundy | redbeard2: nope |
| 00:12.13 | redbeard2 | gabegundy: i'm hosting with lamont, who is subleasing from fozz, who's servers are at tier4 |
| 00:12.21 | redbeard2 | their servers used to be at xmission |
| 00:12.52 | gabegundy | good to know |
| 00:13.12 | redbeard2 | so far i have no complaints about either tier4 or xmission. our work servers are hosted at tier4 too. |
| 00:15.05 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: I've yet to walk in to a local datacenter that didn't have an issue. |
| 00:15.23 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: So, really, just pick the one that's closest - chances are you'll be there more than not. :) |
| 00:15.50 | tensai | I know a great place in helena montana, if you ever need colo space there :) |
| 00:16.39 | tensai | was impressed with tristanbob's data center |
| 00:16.49 | gabegundy | so, we have tier4, fibernet, xmission, viawest... |
| 00:17.19 | gabegundy | rsimpkins: nothings closer then under my stairs :) |
| 00:20.46 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: I got one of those heavy duty wire shelves from costco for $80. Holds a pile of servers. Set it up in the spare bedroom. |
| 00:22.06 | gabegundy | rsimpkins: I would do the same if my ISP was any better :) |
| 00:22.43 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: How important are these servers? |
| 00:22.51 | rsimpkins | Or do you just have one? |
| 00:23.28 | gabegundy | One of our hosted applications does time and attendance (think timeclock). If users can't clock in, our customers are going to be mad :| |
| 00:24.33 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: Well, Tier Four is a PLUG sponsor. :) |
| 00:24.42 | gabegundy | plus they will be able to call in from cell phones if they are remote workers/contractors and so VoIP is involved - need to have good bandwidth. |
| 00:25.12 | rsimpkins | Sounds like it needs to be in a real datacenter. |
| 00:25.18 | gabegundy | I'll give them extra points for the sponsorship. |
| 00:25.41 | rsimpkins | Consonus is on the upper end as far as quality goes, but they have had quite a few issues. |
| 00:25.52 | gabegundy | rsimpkins: yeah - once we bring it out of the closed beta, yeah we have to find it a nice solid home. |
| 00:26.21 | gabegundy | how bad have these issues been? |
| 00:26.50 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: Well, get a quote and take a tour. if you're still interested, and you think you can afford it, give me a call some time. :) |
| 00:27.01 | Tene | rsimpkins: sorry about yesterday. |
| 00:27.08 | rsimpkins | Tene: no problem at all sir. |
| 00:27.22 | rsimpkins | Tene: I'm not sure about everyone else, but I had a good time just chatting with everyone. |
| 00:27.30 | Tene | That's good. |
| 00:27.47 | Tene | Sounds fun. Wish I could have been there for that. ;) |
| 00:28.02 | rsimpkins | Tene: Is March 11th okay for you? |
| 00:28.06 | gabegundy | rsimpkins: will do, but help me understand, do you have some pull there? |
| 00:28.15 | Sargun | gabegundy, you do it for school? |
| 00:28.18 | rsimpkins | There were probably 15-20 people there ready to hear about Parrot. |
| 00:28.20 | Sargun | er, schools... |
| 00:28.27 | gabegundy | Tene: I think most had a good time chilling. |
| 00:28.43 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: Pull? I used to work for WestHost, which has several hundred servers there. |
| 00:28.45 | gabegundy | Sargun: anyone with $s :) |
| 00:29.16 | Sargun | gabegundy, have you looked at getting a hosted solution |
| 00:29.24 | Sargun | er, managed |
| 00:29.27 | Sargun | solution |
| 00:29.49 | rsimpkins | You can get a dedicated server for $100/mo or so with good bandwidth, and reasonable uptime. |
| 00:30.16 | rsimpkins | Well, maybe $130 depending on what you want/need. |
| 00:30.37 | gabegundy | Sargun: I kinda need the dedicated hardware. I don't want choppy voice and not be able to point fingers. |
| 00:30.56 | Sargun | you're doing VoIP? |
| 00:31.03 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: It is hard to beat dedicated server prices versus colo until you have a stack of servers. |
| 00:31.42 | gabegundy | yeah, like I mentioned, the users, managers will be able to call into the system and track time and job information. |
| 00:34.02 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: Honestly, if you go in to any proper data center it's hard to go too wrong. |
| 00:34.09 | rsimpkins | gabegundy: Let us know what you end up deciding. |
| 00:34.59 | Tene | rsimpkins: March 11 looks fine |
| 00:36.18 | gabegundy | rsimpkins: right, but I wanted to get a feel for what others like and don't like. seems it might come down to price. |
| 00:38.06 | MrTeye | gabegundy: seems like the alternative to what ryan is saying will be a 3.5k server and the time involved in maintaining it. |
| 00:39.50 | levi | harleypig: They've usually got the battery chargers in the store. |
| 00:42.09 | gabegundy | MrTeye: right that's what I'm looking at. I don't want shared hosting. I want bandwidth, power and a few Us to put my hardware in a secure colo. |
| 00:43.47 | goozbach | yay! at a linux users group where the presenter actually shows up :) |
| 00:47.50 | levi | goozbach: Where's that? |
| 00:48.31 | levi | What fun is it if the presenter shows up? I mean, then you have to quit talking and pretend you're paying attention while you IRC. |
| 00:48.53 | goozbach | ALE Central |
| 00:54.42 | Sargun | ALE? |
| 00:56.02 | goozbach | Atlanta Linux Enthusists |
| 00:56.11 | Sargun | ah |
| 01:11.14 | nobell | wishes I could find a pictures of Lorne Greene's death pose |
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| 01:51.56 | romanovic | when's the next sllug meeting, anyone? just as of this week i have my evenings free and would like to go |
| 01:53.50 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.31 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.54 | elg | if i had a TI, that might be another story ;-) |
| 02:11.12 | shansen1 | haha my TI-82 is the reason I'm a developer now. I wouldn't part with that baby for anything. |
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| 02:50.56 | levi | TIs are just calculators. HP48s are precision calculation devices. |
| 02:52.38 | elg | so cell junkies, i got a handmedown http://www.mobiledia.com/phones/nokia/6016i.html |
| 02:52.40 | brac | [Nokia 6016i Phone (Sprint) - Mobiledia] |
| 02:53.12 | elg | what companies can i use it with? in particular prepaid plans |
| 02:56.29 | levi | Sprint phones will work with Sprint and Verizon. I don't know what they have in the way of prepaid plans. |
| 02:56.41 | levi | (unless it's locked to just Sprint, that is) |
| 03:02.24 | levi | Sprint doesn't have any prepaid plans. Verizon has some, but they suck for someone who makes one or two short calls a day. |
| 03:06.09 | levi | I'm guessing that phone is going to be useless to you. The service cost for a phone far outweighs the purchase price, so paying for a phone that works with a provider that has a plan that fits you better is cheaper than using a free phone with a provider that doesn't have a plan that fits you. |
| 03:07.42 | levi | I find T-Mobile's plan works great for me, and you can get a phone pretty cheap: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/Prepaid.aspx |
| 03:11.11 | levi | You can get there a camera phone with Bluetooth for $30, which comes with $30 worth of minutes. Essentially free. |
| 03:12.01 | levi | Or a Nokia for $20 with $30 of minutes. That's a free $10 for you. :) |
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| 03:31.45 | elg | looks like you're right |
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| 04:51.57 | Supaplex | where are the next utosc+kin conferences in 2009? |
| 04:53.46 | elg | levi: i thought you were just behind on your rss feeds. i wonder why my crema post reposted itself or just now posted for the first time. that's odd |
| 04:54.20 | elg | maybe openclue didn't pick it up for some reason (i posted it minutes before my internet went out) |
| 05:16.42 | tensai | Supaplex: the location hasn't been decided yet |
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| 05:28.10 | tensai | jsmith: news is saying there was a 3.8 earthquake near alpine today |
| 05:28.23 | tensai | epicenter between alpine and hoback |
| 05:29.20 | levi | When was that? |
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| 05:32.34 | fozzmoo | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11451417?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com |
| 05:33.48 | levi | Heh. |
| 05:33.55 | levi | Good thing he didn't hurt anyone. |
| 05:35.27 | fozzmoo | The sltrib commentary is a pretty pathetic picture of how people feel about guns, gun control, carry permits, etc. |
| 05:35.47 | levi | The 'recent comments' stuff? |
| 05:35.51 | levi | Those are always pathetic. |
| 05:35.52 | fozzmoo | Par for the course for the trib, tho. |
| 05:35.54 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 05:37.34 | levi | Would have been bad for you gun nuts if he'd hurt anyone, though. |
| 05:37.58 | levi | Well, bad publicity, anyway. |
| 05:40.13 | Tene | ... that's weird. I was always told that python had good support for unicode. |
| 05:40.26 | levi | What's weird? |
| 05:41.01 | Tene | This presentation about it is claiming that, and then providing as evidence "All of the standard ways of doing things don't work with unicode. Use this other set instead." |
| 05:41.25 | Tene | os.listdir('.') doesn't show international characters, you need os.listdir(u'.') |
| 05:41.38 | Tene | os.getcwd() same issue, you need os.getcwdu() instead |
| 05:41.54 | levi | Yeah, Python unicode support is tacked on. |
| 05:42.07 | Tene | in regexes, \w doesn't match non-ascii |
| 05:44.24 | Tene | it has separate types for unicode strings and... non-unicode strings, I guess? |
| 05:44.35 | levi | Yeah. |
| 05:44.53 | levi | How's perl deal with unicode? |
| 05:46.15 | fozzmoo | Well. |
| 05:46.25 | Tene | I remember needing to add a 'this is really utf-8, seriously' note when opening a file once. |
| 05:47.07 | Tene | I don't remember the conditions, though. I think there was something funny going on. |
| 05:47.14 | levi | Was there some switchover point where perl started treating unicode the same as ascii? |
| 05:47.33 | Tene | I haven't been around long enough to know that. |
| 05:48.47 | Tene | Everything I've seen in current Perl, the infrastructure is there to be explicit about encodings when necessary, but most of the time everything works as expected. |
| 05:51.10 | Tene | The vast majority of my work has been on well-maintained, modern linuxes, though. Relatively easy environment to get things right in. |
| 06:00.51 | Sargun | any iPhone/BB gods here? |
| 06:00.58 | Sargun | levi, you have an iPhone, right |
| 06:05.41 | high_roller | SargunI have a BB, but I'm not a BB god |
| 06:06.38 | Sargun | high_roller, do you know if you can stream video with the BB |
| 06:07.39 | high_roller | I think on the new blackberries you can |
| 06:07.52 | high_roller | at least that's what the ad for the BB storm has lead me to believe |
| 06:07.53 | Sargun | H.264 over HTTP? |
| 06:08.12 | high_roller | I'm pretty sure my pearl does't stream video |
| 06:08.31 | Sargun | dumb pearl |
| 06:09.45 | high_roller | the pearl is a bit weak, but it is smaller |
| 06:10.06 | high_roller | I'm waiting for sprint to get an android phone before upgrading |
| 06:11.59 | Sargun | Palm Pre? |
| 06:13.22 | high_roller | no, the Pre runs Palm's new WebOS |
| 06:13.25 | high_roller | not android |
| 06:13.39 | high_roller | however, the card interface in WebOS looks very cool |
| 06:13.55 | Sargun | No, I mean, what's wrong with the Palm Pre |
| 06:14.02 | Sargun | I'm not a HUGE fan of Android yet |
| 06:14.08 | Sargun | it's a gen0 product |
| 06:14.20 | high_roller | I don't think the pre has an ssh client |
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| 06:17.01 | Sargun | high_roller, it's coming out in May, I can't wait until we get more info |
| 06:18.11 | Sargun | err... June |
| 06:18.32 | high_roller | any where from 1 to 15 months later ... |
| 06:18.36 | Sargun | hehe |
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| 06:42.39 | levi | Sargun: I have an iPod Touch |
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| 06:42.52 | Sargun | levi, ah, do you know if it can stream H.264? |
| 06:42.56 | Sargun | or stream video |
| 06:43.08 | levi | It can stream video. I believe it's H.264. |
| 06:43.27 | levi | I'm pretty sure that's how the YouTube app works. |
| 06:44.17 | Sargun | but can you pull from any arbitrary source |
| 06:45.26 | levi | I dunno. You can write an app to do that, but I'm not sure if the browser will play it if you point it at one. |
| 07:14.40 | levi | I'm hungry for a sea kitten! http://www.peta.org/sea_kittens/ |
| 07:14.41 | brac | [PETA // Save the Sea Kittens] |
| 07:18.03 | Sargun | Can anyone recommend a good e-mail hosting company that will let me download the e-mail from my domain in maildir format? |
| 07:18.39 | levi | maildir is a storage format, not a transfer format. |
| 07:18.51 | Sargun | levi, Well, tarballs of maildirs |
| 07:19.12 | levi | What kind of a stupid email hosting company would do that? |
| 07:19.33 | Sargun | what else do you recommend for moving mail? |
| 07:19.41 | levi | IMAP, POP |
| 07:19.44 | Sargun | or do you mean, they would want to secure themselves |
| 07:19.49 | Sargun | No, I mean, for backup purposes |
| 07:19.50 | Sargun | maildir |
| 07:19.58 | levi | IMAP, POP |
| 07:20.31 | levi | If they were a decent mail hosting company, they would already be doing backups. |
| 07:26.39 | Sargun | yes, but I want to be able to move away from them |
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| 14:51.52 | ^Migs^ | http://www.legendsofzork.com |
| 14:58.21 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Why should I worry about Zork in my browser when I can already play Zork from my phone? |
| 14:58.26 | jsmith | ^Migs^: http://www.uc.org/read/ZoIP |
| 14:58.30 | brac | [ZoIP] |
| 15:06.32 | ^Migs^ | some of us don't have Zork-enabled phones |
| 15:07.00 | ^Migs^ | besides, this is a Zork MMO |
| 15:07.22 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why they didn't just make it a MUD |
| 15:07.29 | zzzirk | you know, isn't that a mud? |
| 15:07.34 | zzzirk | heh, yeah, exactly |
| 15:08.32 | ^Migs^ | high-fives zzzirk |
| 15:10.09 | tensai | levi: what will those loonies at peta think of next |
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| 15:13.21 | jsmith | tensai: Thanks for the heads up on the earthquake... |
| 15:13.46 | tensai | we didn't feel it, but they said loads of people over yonder did |
| 15:16.52 | jsmith | Yeah... it's not like they're living on top of a giant hot spot or anything... oh wait, they *are*! |
| 15:19.40 | Tene | So this guy called me all in a panic last night about servers not working and the end of the world and such, wanting me to do contracting for him this morning. |
| 15:20.29 | Tene | So I'm on the phone with him now, and he can't reproduce any problems at all. |
| 15:20.37 | jsmith | Go figure :-p |
| 15:21.50 | Tene | The biggest issue that I have working with this guy is that I have to keep prompting him. "Okay, that works fine. What can we look at next?" |
| 15:22.32 | Tene | It's some mysterious error about files missing or credentials not workin gor access to a share being read-only, or something with the samba server. |
| 15:23.03 | Tene | Everything looked just fine using smbclient, and I verified that everything was copied over from the old server using rsync |
| 15:23.42 | Tene | and they've taken away the old server that we replaced Wednesday night, so we can't access it or bring it back in place if we decide there are significant issues. |
| 15:23.55 | Tene | Which was one of the significant original points of how we did things. |
| 15:24.52 | Tene | He was justifiably insistent that there be a recovery plan in case of failure, so apparently he took his recovery plan home with him? |
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| 16:08.48 | harleypig | How do I figure out what cables I need to get to play videos from my laptop on my tv? |
| 16:11.21 | high_roller | what inputs does your TV have? |
| 16:12.28 | high_roller | and what outputs does your laptop have? |
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| 16:16.59 | ibot | ACTION whacks emcnabb upside the head. |
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| 16:17.26 | emcnabb | I never did anything to you |
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| 17:04.20 | sjansen | http://www.math.chalmers.se/~koen/ParserComboC/parser-combo-c.html <-- When functional programmers go bad. |
| 17:04.23 | brac | [Parser Combinators in C] |
| 17:04.52 | sjansen | "This is your brain. This is your brain trying to use C to write Haskell." |
| 17:06.20 | elg | :) |
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| 17:09.55 | trevynmeyer | is GuruLabs still in business? |
| 17:10.47 | Supaplex | last I called them a few weeks ago they were :) |
| 17:12.07 | jsmith | trevynmeyer: Yes, they are |
| 17:12.38 | Tene_ | trevynmeyer: they'd better be. I'm expecting a paycheck from them today. :) |
| 17:12.53 | wps | I have a versioning/software development question |
| 17:13.04 | jsmith | wps: Ask away! |
| 17:13.13 | wps | say you release version 1A and then start work on 1B |
| 17:13.17 | Tene_ | trevynmeyer: why? |
| 17:13.19 | wps | so 1A is a branch |
| 17:13.46 | wps | while you're working on 1B, you will also have a few bugs that you'll have to fix in 1A |
| 17:14.04 | wps | you'll also want those changes in the new code as well |
| 17:14.11 | ^Migs^ | how many people here work for GuruLabs? |
| 17:14.28 | wps | so is the common practice to make them in the trunk and then just copy over the files into the 1A branch? |
| 17:14.33 | JoshH | sometimes it seems like half the channel works for them |
| 17:14.54 | wps | or do developers have a copy of both branches on their machine and put it in both? |
| 17:15.00 | Tene_ | ^Migs^: me, sjansen, sinuhe, and shalkie, iirc |
| 17:15.01 | jsmith | wps: So, I think we're all a little confused... is 1B a branch from the trunk, or just a later revision on that same branch, or something else? |
| 17:15.09 | wps | (I think it's the firstâ¦Â but am just trying to get my head around how this is usually done) |
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| 17:15.54 | jsmith | wps: If 1B is a different branch, developers typically use some sort of "merge" function to apply a revision to multiple branches |
| 17:16.16 | wps | 1A was branched from the trunk as a release. It is locked down except for bug/security fixes. |
| 17:16.33 | jsmith | Right... |
| 17:16.43 | jsmith | and 1B is a separate branch (also from trunk), right? |
| 17:16.46 | wps | 1B is also a branch from the trunk (branched after 1A). It contains everything that is going to be released in 1B. It isn't finished yet. |
| 17:16.53 | jsmith | Gotcha |
| 17:17.11 | wps | so, if we patch something in 1A, it also needs to be in 1B |
| 17:17.28 | jsmith | Typically, developers will commit a patch on one branch, then either manually merge that same patch to the other branch (yuck), or use a merge program like svnmerge to do it. |
| 17:17.53 | wps | kâ¦Â how are they actually doing that though? |
| 17:18.11 | wps | do they make the change in the trunk and then copy the change to the branches? |
| 17:18.27 | wps | or do they check out 1A to their dev environment and make the change in their copy of 1A? |
| 17:18.47 | Tene_ | wps: make the change in one branch and then cherry-pick it to the other. |
| 17:19.04 | wps | but you'd want that change in the trunk too |
| 17:19.25 | wps | it seems strange to make the change in 1A and then copy it to 1B and the trunk |
| 17:19.34 | wps | it makes more sense to make it in the trunk and then copy it to 1A and 1B |
| 17:19.36 | Tene_ | you'd want *all* the changes for your upcoming release in trunk eventually too, right? |
| 17:19.39 | wps | am I missing something? |
| 17:19.40 | sjansen | At various times goozbach, emcnabb, WoodsDog, herlo, eightyeight, redbeard2 & hatchmt have also worked for Guru Labs. |
| 17:20.00 | hatchmt | no I haven't. :) |
| 17:20.24 | sjansen | Oops, thatch not hatchmt. |
| 17:20.33 | jsmith | wps: Typically, (for Asterisk, the code I deal with most often), we end up making a fix to the 1.4 branch, then trunk, then the 1.6.0 branch, and then the 1.6.1 branch. (Obviously the order depends on your particular development paradigm.) |
| 17:20.35 | Tene_ | wps: what's the point of having a branch if you just put everything in trunk first? I think I'm misunderstanding your architecture. |
| 17:20.37 | Jayce^ | nice http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20071207-214523.jpg |
| 17:21.14 | jsmith | Jayce^: Oh, you're killing me! |
| 17:21.26 | ^Migs^ | what's so great about GuruLabs? Why's everyone working there? |
| 17:21.49 | Jayce^ | lovely, aint it? |
| 17:21.49 | levi | WTF, they're making a live action Cowboy Bebop movie?! |
| 17:21.51 | JoshH | they get to play with silly putty |
| 17:21.53 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Because they hire the brightest people around to teach their classes! |
| 17:22.00 | Jayce^ | levi, now that's interesting |
| 17:22.13 | levi | Starring Keanu Reeves, though. |
| 17:22.15 | wps | the way I understand it is that the trunk contains everythingâall the stuff you're working on, stable and unstable |
| 17:22.19 | Jayce^ | hehehehehe |
| 17:22.22 | Jayce^ | *whoa* |
| 17:22.25 | wps | and then you cherry pick from there to the branches for releases |
| 17:22.43 | levi | I loved Cowboy Bebop. Had a cool soundtrack, too. |
| 17:22.48 | Jayce^ | ok, so people understand when I say my neighbor is often confused with somebody else.. |
| 17:22.49 | Jayce^ | http://photos-d.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2119/44/41/571346772/n571346772_1414451_5578.jpg |
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| 17:23.01 | sjansen | I call First Post Cowboy Bebop fail! |
| 17:23.29 | high_roller | Jayce^: people always confuse me for dwight too |
| 17:23.39 | ^Migs^ | honestly I don't see the resemblance. Anyone can put on glasses and look like someone else with glasses. |
| 17:23.39 | high_roller | even on a plane |
| 17:23.56 | Jayce^ | dude even has a mustard yellow shirt he wears to church a lot |
| 17:24.02 | Tene_ | Jayce^: who is that? |
| 17:24.15 | Jayce^ | my neighbor |
| 17:24.32 | levi | Does he intentionally try to look like the Office dork? |
| 17:24.35 | Tene_ | Jayce^: no, who does he look like? |
| 17:24.50 | Jayce^ | no, that's what he looks like normally eco |
| 17:24.52 | Jayce^ | levi |
| 17:24.55 | Jayce^ | ergh |
| 17:25.02 | Jayce^ | Tene_, Dwight Schroot |
| 17:25.10 | Tene_ | asks google. |
| 17:25.21 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:25.21 | ibot | stuffs sjansen into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 17:25.30 | Tene_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Schrute -- ? |
| 17:25.53 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 17:26.16 | levi | Whoops, the Aussie Android phone just got delayed indefinitely. |
| 17:27.39 | eightyeight | ^Migs^: gurulabs is the single greatest company to work for on the face of the planet. |
| 17:28.02 | levi | Maybe if you're a single guy who likes travel. |
| 17:28.16 | elg | wps: substitute "stable" for 1A and "development" for 1B and you have a fairly common workflow in OSS land |
| 17:28.46 | JoshH | or a married guy who likes getting away from the wife |
| 17:28.53 | wps | thank you, elg. that helps |
| 17:28.56 | wps | wouldn't it be this though? |
| 17:29.02 | elg | bugfixes and security fixes go into stable, and are cherry picked into development (if they still can be - development sometimes refactors heavily enough that the bugfixes/security fixes no longer apply or have to be reworked) |
| 17:29.08 | wps | 1A = stable, 1B = unstable, trunk = development ? |
| 17:29.25 | Tene_ | JoshH: why would you marry someone you wanted to get away from? |
| 17:29.36 | eightyeight | JoshH: i lean more that direction. :) |
| 17:29.36 | wps | AHHâ¦Â that last think you said turned the light on |
| 17:29.40 | elg | what is 1B if not the trunk? |
| 17:29.42 | wps | s/think/thing/ |
| 17:29.49 | levi | Tene_: Well, I assume the 'wanting to get away' feeling develops later on. :)] |
| 17:29.49 | JoshH | :) |
| 17:30.03 | Tene_ | Man, I still don't get marriage. |
| 17:30.03 | elg | you certainly could have multiple branches and call them whatever you want. maybe stable, testing, unstable (like debian packages) |
| 17:30.15 | fozzmoo | Tene_: ?? |
| 17:30.28 | JoshH | Tene_ has never had any problems with women, remember |
| 17:31.06 | elg | sometimes the bugfixes are actually found on the trunk, and have to be cherry picked back into stable |
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| 17:31.40 | elg | this is usually exceptionally impossible with standard-grade revision control systems so unless you're enlightened enough to be using something like git or hg, that's a manual process. |
| 17:31.43 | wps | I was thinking of having a 1B branchâ¦Â that would include the things that would be in the upcoming releaseâ¦Â since there might be things in the trunk that are to be released down the road a ways |
| 17:32.04 | ^Migs^ | is gurulabs better than google? |
| 17:32.20 | elg | at what? searching? no |
| 17:32.26 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 17:32.42 | ^Migs^ | how much has gurulabs poured into search r&d? |
| 17:32.44 | Tene_ | fozzmoo: marriage seems weird to me, and I'm often confused by parts of it. |
| 17:32.46 | JoshH | google supposedly got rid of the either the free breakfasts or dinners, and other perks as well |
| 17:32.57 | ^Migs^ | google is spiraling downward |
| 17:33.00 | JoshH | and i hear they expect you to have no life outside of google |
| 17:33.11 | wps | when a project is getting ready to release the next release, they can't just make a copy of the trunk, right? (since the trunk most likely contains more than the release will) |
| 17:33.11 | fozzmoo | Tene_: Imagine if your parents had not been married. |
| 17:33.12 | ^Migs^ | i hear google has claim over your firstborn son |
| 17:33.50 | wps | wouldn't they need to create a "next release" branch and put just want they want to be released in that release in it? |
| 17:33.57 | Tene_ | Gah. |
| 17:34.06 | wps | please correct me if I'm wrong |
| 17:34.43 | wps | and I understand that you can do this however you'd likeâ¦Â but these processes have been tried and tested and there are standards for a reason |
| 17:34.48 | levi | wps: I think you need to find an online 'theory of version control' document with diagrams and stuff to help with this. |
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| 17:36.37 | levi | It makes more sense with diagrams showing how things branch and merge back together. |
| 17:36.52 | wps | kâ¦Â I'll look for something |
| 17:37.18 | elg | wps: it's common to just freeze new features on the trunk and make everyone bang away on the bugs until it's ready to release |
| 17:37.34 | wps | thanks, elg |
| 17:37.35 | elg | but there are projects that make a new branch and do it the way you're saying |
| 17:37.44 | elg | it depends on the size of the project and the culture of it |
| 17:37.48 | levi | Here's one that might be helpful: http://www.perforce.com/perforce/bestpractices.html |
| 17:37.53 | brac | [High-level Best Practices in SCM] |
| 17:38.12 | elg | imho the linux model seems to be one that works well for large projects |
| 17:38.43 | elg | but not unilaterally |
| 17:39.32 | elg | funny how you hear things about working at google. fact is it's a large company and there's no doubt microcultures |
| 17:39.46 | elg | one group might have no life, another might be well-balanced, and maybe there's a group of slackers in there |
| 17:40.08 | elg | hearsay is always hearsay |
| 17:40.31 | elg | but i'll be happy to share some hearsay with you when i interview there and possibly work there. ;-) |
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| 17:40.50 | trevynmeyer | Anyone have a phone number for fizz? |
| 17:40.56 | trevynmeyer | aka James |
| 17:41.13 | elg | delves into machine learning code written in java |
| 17:41.26 | elg | ~strength |
| 17:41.28 | elg | ~support elg |
| 17:41.32 | elg | ~pity |
| 17:41.37 | elg | -lart ibot |
| 17:41.37 | brac | replaces ibot's Astroglide with JB Weld |
| 17:43.10 | trevynmeyer | phone number for herlo? |
| 17:43.43 | elg | herlo might |
| 17:44.07 | elg | ~seen herlo |
| 17:44.10 | ibot | herlo is currently on #utah (2d 4h 59m 2s) #uphpu (2d 4h 59m 2s). Has said a total of 106 messages. Is idling for 13h 47m 38s, last said: 'yeah'. |
| 17:44.11 | trevynmeyer | I owe him fizz some money |
| 17:44.16 | trevynmeyer | need to wake him up to get his mailing address |
| 17:44.22 | elg | you can give it to me |
| 17:44.26 | elg | I'll see that they don't get it |
| 17:44.32 | trevynmeyer | :) |
| 17:44.36 | harleypig | How can I figure out what cables to use to play videos from my computer on my tv? |
| 17:44.48 | elg | harleypig: what video card do you have? |
| 17:44.48 | Jayce^ | http://www.eightmaps.com/ |
| 17:44.50 | brac | [eightmaps] |
| 17:44.58 | elg | thank you insightful bot |
| 17:45.00 | harleypig | elg: nvidia GO 5800 |
| 17:45.04 | harleypig | or 4800 |
| 17:45.08 | elg | does it have an s-video out? |
| 17:45.14 | Jayce^ | google maps mashup with locations of prop 8 donors |
| 17:45.15 | harleypig | runs lspci |
| 17:45.18 | harleypig | elg: it does |
| 17:45.25 | elg | does your tv have an s-video in? |
| 17:45.41 | harleypig | elg: I don't know |
| 17:45.51 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: That's nuts. |
| 17:45.59 | harleypig | I don't know what s-video looks like |
| 17:46.07 | ^Migs^ | http://vimeo.com/2809991 |
| 17:46.33 | elg | like a ps2 port but smaller and more impossible to plug in |
| 17:46.36 | harleypig | elg: GeForce Go 7800 GTX |
| 17:46.39 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:46.41 | elg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video |
| 17:46.49 | harleypig | I don't think so ... gimme a minute to check |
| 17:46.50 | elg | seriously one of the stupidest plugs ever designed |
| 17:46.57 | elg | esp. since they should have known better by then. |
| 17:47.57 | high_roller | harleypig: if you have an LCD or plasma Tv, it should have a vga connector |
| 17:48.04 | high_roller | s/should/might |
| 17:48.14 | elg | harleypig: other options for your tv input would be coax, composite (yellow rca), and fancy HD stuff |
| 17:48.15 | harleypig | No, It's a tube ... it does have an s-video plug |
| 17:48.26 | elg | then you need an s-video cable :) |
| 17:48.34 | harleypig | It also has some of those red/white/yellow plugs. |
| 17:48.44 | elg | and for sound you probably need a mini plug to (possibly stereo) rca |
| 17:48.47 | high_roller | probably also need a 3.5 to RCA audio cable too |
| 17:48.55 | sjansen | Jayce^: Hurray vigilante justice! |
| 17:49.00 | harleypig | I've been looking ... I haven't seen anything labeled s-video |
| 17:49.21 | elg | you can get s-video to composite adapters |
| 17:49.44 | elg | and even some cables that have s-video/3.5 on one end and composite/audio (RCA) on the other |
| 17:49.50 | elg | i have one of those |
| 17:50.56 | levi | It's weird that you don't have any s-video cables already. |
| 17:51.05 | harleypig | why is that? |
| 17:51.11 | levi | I've got a bunch of them from gadgets that came with them. |
| 17:51.24 | levi | Like VCRs and video cards and whatnot. |
| 17:51.29 | harleypig | I've never had a gadget that required s-video |
| 17:51.43 | levi | Most of them don't *require* it, they just support it, and I rarely use it. |
| 17:52.05 | harleypig | None of the ones I've had included s-vdideo cable |
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| 17:52.09 | harleypig | including this laptop. |
| 17:52.26 | levi | Well, if you've got a svideo port, you should use it, because you get higher quality video that way. |
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| 17:53.24 | harleypig | hmm ... maybe it did ... I'm looking at this 3" cable that looks like it plus in to the s-video port ... |
| 17:53.25 | levi | The video signals are sent over separate conductors instead of a single one, so there's less color bleeding and stuff. |
| 17:54.27 | elg | 3" cable? sounds immenently unuseful |
| 17:54.28 | harleypig | yeah, it fits, but the other end has 4 plugs, one that looks like it might fit the port labeled s-video on the tv and a red, light green and light blue plug |
| 17:54.35 | levi | I want one of these: http://www.good.is/?p=14716 |
| 17:54.41 | harleypig | and the tv has no place for those. |
| 17:54.58 | elg | harleypig: your video card output that looks like s-video may not be s-video |
| 17:55.12 | elg | that adapter thing might be needed for s-video output. what do the green and blue plugs look like? |
| 17:56.10 | harleypig | doco that came with the laptop says it is. |
| 17:56.42 | tensai | levi: have their been any studies about whether bike lanes improve bike safety? |
| 17:56.44 | levi | I'll bet the female plug on the video card has extra slots for pins, so it works as s-video or with an adaptor that breaks out the extra signals to other formats. |
| 17:57.03 | tensai | I've heard cyclist argue against them |
| 17:57.38 | levi | tensai: I've heard cyclists argue against them, too. But this gadget would give a nice indication of how safe it is to pass by a cyclist. |
| 17:57.51 | levi | Er, how close is safe, I mean. |
| 17:57.58 | elg | harleypig: my card may be similar to yours. I don't have an adapter, my s-video plug wouldn't fit without breaking the plastic key |
| 17:58.05 | elg | which makes it even more impossible to plug in correctly :-p |
| 17:58.11 | elg | but once you do figure it out, works great. :) |
| 17:58.15 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video |
| 17:58.56 | levi | S-Video is 4 pins, but your video card probably has a 7-pin or 9-pin socket as shown further down on that page. |
| 17:59.46 | levi | harleypig: The three RCA plugs on the adapter are probably for component video. |
| 17:59.58 | levi | YPbPr |
| 18:00.18 | elg | probably right |
| 18:00.24 | levi | If your TV had those inputs (most newish HD-capable TVs do) they would be your best option. |
| 18:00.27 | elg | i didn't catch there were three |
| 18:01.25 | harleypig | Ok, I just climbed behind the tv (need to get some canned air) and the plug fits the s-video port ... so maybe I just need to find a long enough s-video cable. |
| 18:01.43 | levi | Anyway, you should be able to find a svideo cable at any store that sells VCRs and TVs. |
| 18:04.24 | levi | elg: Based on your description and the Wikipedia article, you probably have a VIVO port on your video card. |
| 18:05.12 | elg | oh? would my card do capture? |
| 18:05.56 | levi | Possibly. Or maybe they just used the same 9-pin port (which doesn't have room for the plastic key slot) that they use on their VIVO-capable cards. |
| 18:06.12 | elg | i'll have to investigate |
| 18:06.23 | elg | now that i have a bunch of analog cable channels i'd love to get into myth |
| 18:06.46 | elg | well, some of which i'd love to get into myth anyway ;-) |
| 18:06.56 | levi | Heh, yeah. |
| 18:07.02 | levi | So many crappy channels on cable. |
| 18:07.03 | tensai | harleypig: a great intro to av connectors: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/157 |
| 18:07.16 | levi | I had Comcast sales guys come to my door last night. |
| 18:07.34 | levi | Had to shut the door on them; they wouldn't take a polite hint. |
| 18:07.50 | tensai | dish network and the cbs affiliate here are having a spat that resuled in cbs being pulled from dish |
| 18:08.08 | tensai | apparently that's working out well for the cable co |
| 18:08.18 | mrpull | harleypig: if you aren't in a hurry to get the cable, check out monoprice.com to save a crapton on the cable |
| 18:08.28 | elg | i always get a kick out of the people who condemn cable/dish because of all the "evil" programming |
| 18:08.42 | mrpull | radioshack will try to sell you a 20 part that you can get for $2 at monoprice |
| 18:08.56 | elg | while not the most evil you can get on cable, the broadcast stations are just about at the bottom of the heap |
| 18:09.03 | levi | There's "evil" programming being broadcast over the air RIGHT NOW! It's SURROUNDING YOU with its evil energy! |
| 18:09.12 | elg | if you want much non-evil programming cable or dish is your best choice |
| 18:10.57 | tensai | elg: we stick with ota because we don't want "much" anything. mostly we watch pbs. |
| 18:11.05 | levi | PBS FTW! |
| 18:11.08 | elg | yup. same here |
| 18:11.15 | mrpull | gotta have sports! |
| 18:11.21 | elg | a couple shows that come on cable that we download instead |
| 18:11.23 | levi | Nature's Deep Jungle series is fascinating. |
| 18:11.29 | elg | well, now i could watch them live if i wanted |
| 18:11.31 | mrpull | espn/fsn are essential |
| 18:11.40 | levi | Bah, sports. |
| 18:11.50 | harleypig | tensai, mrpull thanks |
| 18:11.55 | elg | i always leave espn* out of the channel list |
| 18:12.01 | harleypig | elg thanks for the pointers |
| 18:12.13 | elg | harleypig: don't dereference them if they're null |
| 18:12.54 | harleypig | elg: what if I wanted to dump core |
| 18:13.08 | elg | then do it with style! |
| 18:13.22 | levi | That only happens if you've got an MMU. Have you got an MMU? |
| 18:13.22 | tensai | but for crying out loud don't tell us about it |
| 18:13.53 | elg | heh. my MMU is a bunch of index cards, some book binder rings, and some duct tape |
| 18:13.59 | elg | does that mean i can dump core? |
| 18:14.03 | harleypig | Massively Multiplayer Underwear? |
| 18:14.27 | elg | maybe massive multi-orifice underwear |
| 18:14.50 | harleypig | ... |
| 18:14.58 | harleypig | -_o |
| 18:15.19 | levi | elg: I dunno, does it recognize segmentation violations? :) |
| 18:16.12 | elg | the underwear or the index cards? |
| 18:18.28 | ^Migs^ | ew....just...ew |
| 18:18.35 | levi | Er, the index cards. |
| 18:19.18 | elg | pizza in half an hour but i'm hungry now |
| 18:24.37 | levi | This is really cool: http://workshop.thomthom.net/minimediacentre/ |
| 18:30.35 | ^Migs^ | yeah that is cool! |
| 18:59.17 | fozzmoo | So... git question... if I want to set up a git repo for a few developers on a machine, do I just run 'git add' and 'git commit' on the project code on group-writable files? |
| 18:59.44 | fozzmoo | (Where the group contains all the developers that will be working on the project) |
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| 19:05.36 | maquis | i learned last night that you can xor sets in ruby and it does something intelligent |
| 19:05.40 | maquis | that's pretty sweet |
| 19:13.48 | elg | fozzmoo: not sure i understand the question |
| 19:14.39 | fozzmoo | elg: Since I asked that question, i went into #git and someone recommended some software called gitosis. |
| 19:15.26 | fozzmoo | I need to set up a repo for some developers... some not on the American continent and some that are. |
| 19:15.53 | fozzmoo | To give them access, I wasn't sure if I should just give them SSH access to the machine or set up a git HTTP repo. |
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| 19:16.16 | elg | and by access i take it you mean the ability to push to a central repo |
| 19:16.19 | fozzmoo | Yes. |
| 19:16.23 | fozzmoo | read+write |
| 19:19.19 | elg | if ssh is fine, then it should be straightforward to set up a repo with group permissions, probably with the group suid bit on the parent directory before you clone it |
| 19:19.22 | elg | or init it |
| 19:20.13 | elg | i might take this opportunity to remind us all that a repository to which people push should not be used for development (i.e. no working checkout) |
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| 19:21.02 | elg | -chat onjoin harleypig |
| 19:21.02 | brac | onjoin harleypig |
| 19:21.09 | elg | -chat ~onjoin harleypig |
| 19:21.09 | brac | ~onjoin harleypig No, not that scary, am I? |
| 19:21.09 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 19:21.47 | fozzmoo | elg: Please explain. |
| 19:22.00 | elg | explain or rant? i can do either/or ;-) |
| 19:22.30 | fozzmoo | "a repository to which people push should not be used for development " |
| 19:22.36 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/blog/2008/11/10/git-push-is-worse-than-worthless |
| 19:22.50 | fozzmoo | Is push different than commit? |
| 19:22.59 | elg | commit is a local operation |
| 19:23.00 | fozzmoo | is less than a git "newbie" |
| 19:23.04 | fozzmoo | Oh right. |
| 19:23.06 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 19:23.12 | fozzmoo | is still thinking in terms of CVS/SVN |
| 19:23.35 | elg | when you do a git push, it updates the remote repository but it does NOT sync up the remote working directory |
| 19:24.06 | elg | and if someone is developing in that working directory and tries to commit, anything that was pushed is seen as a change in the other direction |
| 19:24.18 | elg | so if he were to commit, he'd undo the changes you pushed |
| 19:24.37 | elg | so such a repo should be "bare" - no working directory - for best results |
| 19:24.49 | fozzmoo | Explain a remote working directory vs a repo to me, please. |
| 19:25.19 | elg | so if you cd /tmp/foo; git init |
| 19:25.41 | elg | everything in /tmp/foo/.git is the repo stuff, and everything in /tmp/foo other than /tmp/foo/.git is the working copy |
| 19:25.49 | fozzmoo | oh okay. |
| 19:25.59 | fozzmoo | Can you create a repo without a working directory? |
| 19:26.02 | elg | cd /tmp/foo; echo foo > foo.txt; git add foo.txt |
| 19:26.05 | elg | yes |
| 19:26.11 | elg | but it's a bit hairy |
| 19:26.21 | elg | better to create one that does have a working dir, and clone it without the wokring dir |
| 19:26.24 | fozzmoo | If all we're doing is using the repo to track code changes, isn't that what we should do? |
| 19:26.31 | elg | yes |
| 19:26.44 | fozzmoo | Or maybe the rule of thumb is to not touch the working directory. :) |
| 19:26.51 | elg | when you init a repo bare, then it doesn't do some nice things like set up the initial branch and all that. |
| 19:26.59 | elg | either works. if there's no wd to touch, there's no mistakes. :) |
| 19:27.24 | elg | so you init foo then you somewhere else do git clone --bare /tmp/foo foo-master |
| 19:27.50 | elg | you could even remove /tmp/foo at that point, and base all future work on pulling and pushing from foo-master |
| 19:27.57 | elg | from/to i should say |
| 19:28.01 | fozzmoo | ok |
| 19:28.07 | jsmith | fozzmoo: These instructions might help you too: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org#BETA_git_hosting_support |
| 19:28.40 | fozzmoo | jsmith: No, those instructions will just make me feel incredibly guilty for my non-action on Fedora Docs. |
| 19:28.48 | elg | heh |
| 19:28.57 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Whatever works :-p |
| 19:30.03 | fozzmoo | elg: What about this something.git file that people reference when they pull or clone? |
| 19:30.03 | fozzmoo | How do i provide that? |
| 19:30.24 | elg | no clue |
| 19:30.32 | elg | i haven't ever done the http or like server route |
| 19:30.36 | elg | just ssh/local access |
| 19:31.07 | jsmith | fozzmoo: As I understand it, blah.git is actually a *directory*, not a file |
| 19:31.11 | elg | in that case you just use the path to the dir. server:path |
| 19:31.17 | jsmith | fozzmoo: (Go look at those directions I gave you!) |
| 19:31.17 | elg | yeah, probably is |
| 19:31.36 | fozzmoo | k |
| 19:32.00 | fozzmoo | In repayment, I give you all this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olizH7ri9No&sdig=1 |
| 19:38.32 | JoshH | it's an orrin hatch rickroll! |
| 19:39.24 | fozzmoo | ?? |
| 19:40.11 | JoshH | just kidding |
| 19:40.38 | JoshH | i saw a hatch song video the other day, and i'm still scarred |
| 19:54.26 | elg | levi: so i ran the numbers last night, we spend an avg of 2.5 hours a month on our phone |
| 19:54.48 | elg | which comes out to about $15/mo at 10 cent/min |
| 19:56.06 | elg | but me myself i probably spend like 10 minutes a month on the phone |
| 19:56.58 | elg | so i'm on the other end - would I use the minutes before they expire |
| 20:03.08 | wps | thanks for that link, levi |
| 20:03.24 | wps | it was high-level, but was still helpful |
| 20:05.34 | elg | so does anyone know why in a shell script the -i argument to ln doesn't get user input? |
| 20:06.52 | elg | actually nevermind about the script part. it's the pipe |
| 20:06.57 | elg | echo foo bar | xargs ln -i |
| 20:07.03 | elg | fugalh@saruman /tmp |
| 20:07.04 | elg | $ echo foo bar | xargs ln -i |
| 20:07.04 | elg | ln: replace `bar'? fugalh@saruman /tmp |
| 20:07.04 | elg | $ |
| 20:07.36 | Jayce^ | ~beat paypal reports for obnoxious use of unicode |
| 20:07.36 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats paypal reports for obnoxious use of unicode over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 20:07.48 | elg | $ (echo foo; echo bar) | while read i; do ln -i $i foobar; done |
| 20:07.49 | elg | ln: replace `foobar'? fugalh@saruman /tmp |
| 20:07.49 | elg | $ |
| 20:08.02 | elg | Jayce^: what'd they do? |
| 20:08.02 | Jayce^ | first line is utf16, following lines are utf8 |
| 20:08.12 | Jayce^ | in a csv |
| 20:08.21 | elg | awesome |
| 20:08.50 | Jayce^ | wasted *way* too much of the morning on that |
| 20:29.54 | elg | levi: flip, that $30 credit thing expired yesterday |
| 20:33.13 | sjansen | *blink* *blink* |
| 20:34.20 | ^Migs^ | "ZIMBABWE will introduce a 100-trillion dollar note, in its latest attempt to keep pace with hyperinflation that has left its once-vibrant economy in tatters, state media said today." |
| 20:34.27 | ^Migs^ | "Just last week, the bank had introduced billion-dollar bills in denominations of 10, 20 and 50 with the same goal, but those notes are no longer large enough to keep up with hyperinflation." |
| 20:34.54 | sjansen | Jayce^: I'm trying to imagine how anyone would pull that off... I'm imagining someone using a Windows app to create a template file containing the first line in UCS-2 and programatically generating the rest. |
| 20:41.03 | Jayce^ | I'm still alarmed too |
| 20:44.15 | fozzmoo | is demotivated, maybe because it's Friday |
| 20:48.58 | Tene_ | Friday and I get to spend the rest of the day working on SOAP |
| 20:49.12 | Tene_ | But I get to spend all weekend hacking on Parrot guts. :) |
| 20:50.25 | Jayce^ | now if we could just get a presentation on that :-p |
| 20:50.51 | elg | ~rlart |
| 20:50.52 | ibot | resizes jlp_work's terminal to 40x24 |
| 20:52.33 | Tene_ | Jayce^: I could give you one right now, if you wanted. |
| 20:54.15 | Jayce^ | is still fighting unicode.. |
| 20:56.08 | Tene_ | Fine then. |
| 20:56.20 | Tene_ | turns off the streaming video of his desktop. |
| 20:56.28 | Tene_ | Now you have to wait two months. |
| 20:57.02 | Jayce^ | *sniff* |
| 21:08.18 | elg | this is quite the paper title: "The quefrency alanysis of time series for echoes: cepstrum, pseudoautocovariance, cross-cepstrum, and saphe-cracking" |
| 21:09.10 | jsmith | elg: Wow... |
| 21:09.42 | jsmith | elg: You sure it's not one of those computer-generated papers that tries to prove that nobody really reads them anyway? |
| 21:09.49 | elg | :) quite |
| 21:10.02 | elg | quefrency and cepstrum are anagrams for frequency and spectrum |
| 21:10.20 | elg | not in the title, but also in the paper they talk about "lifters" which is an anagram for "filters" |
| 21:10.37 | elg | quite a classic paper actually. cepstrum analysis is very useful and common |
| 21:11.00 | jsmith | And saphe-cracking? |
| 21:11.00 | elg | esp in speech |
| 21:11.09 | elg | that i don't know. i haven't read the paper, just papers referencing it |
| 21:11.19 | elg | maybe they threw it in just for phun |
| 21:15.03 | elg | this paper is about specmurt |
| 21:15.11 | elg | which is like cepstrum, but dfferent |
| 21:16.46 | jsmith | Right... so if you do queferncy alanysis of the letters used in each word, you can reconstruct the paper in the proper time domain? |
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| 21:27.20 | fozzmoo | jsmith: When I do 'git --bare' it bombs |
| 21:27.32 | fozzmoo | Says 'usage: git-init [-q | --quiet] [--template=<template-directory>] [--shared]' |
| 21:28.03 | fozzmoo | git on CentOS 5 must be old. |
| 21:31.11 | jsmith | has no clue |
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| 21:34.25 | maquis | fozzmoo: centos 5 == rhel5, right? |
| 21:34.34 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 21:35.06 | elg | fozzmoo: get a recent git |
| 21:35.11 | elg | you don't want to use an old git |
| 21:35.16 | elg | that way lies madness |
| 21:35.23 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. |
| 21:35.33 | fozzmoo | I hate to deviate from RPMs. |
| 21:36.36 | elg | you don't have to stay/be on the bleeding edge |
| 21:37.13 | elg | maybe tehre's some backports or something |
| 21:37.48 | fozzmoo | I'll see if I can build from the Fedora SRPM |
| 21:38.18 | elg | http://blog.endpoint.com/2008/07/signs-of-too-old-git-version.html |
| 21:38.32 | elg | and therefore http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/RPMS/ |
| 21:39.48 | fozzmoo | ~hug elg |
| 21:39.49 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs elg |
| 21:43.25 | fozzmoo | builds git 1.6.1 from SRPM |
| 21:48.32 | fozzmoo | What is tla? |
| 21:48.32 | fozzmoo | tla is needed by git-arch-1.6.1-1.x86_64 |
| 21:48.58 | elg | you don't need git-arch |
| 21:49.03 | elg | unless you need to interop with tla |
| 21:49.07 | elg | which it sounds lke you don't ;-) |
| 21:49.21 | elg | ~tla |
| 21:49.22 | ibot | it has been said that tla is Three Letter Acronym, or the name of the binary for GNU arch |
| 21:49.31 | fozzmoo | That's what I needed to know. |
| 21:49.32 | elg | Tom Lord's Arch iirc |
| 22:03.05 | fozzmoo | installs git 1.6.1 on the CentOS box. |
| 22:03.08 | fozzmoo | wheee! |
| 22:03.33 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you're using tla?! |
| 22:03.35 | goozbach | awesome |
| 22:03.36 | goozbach | @! |
| 22:03.41 | goozbach | loves tla |
| 22:03.46 | fozzmoo | I don't know anything about it. |
| 22:03.47 | goozbach | </sarcasim> |
| 22:03.58 | fozzmoo | not tobe confused with tna |
| 22:04.08 | goozbach | it's the precursor to all of these distributed SCM tools |
| 22:04.20 | goozbach | the tool which proved the process possible |
| 22:04.21 | fozzmoo | Apparently git-arch wouldn't install without tla |
| 22:04.28 | goozbach | makes sense |
| 22:04.31 | fozzmoo | and git-all wouldn't install without git-arch |
| 22:04.38 | goozbach | git-arch is the git plugin for tla |
| 22:04.48 | goozbach | git-all seems exessive, no? |
| 22:04.57 | fozzmoo | So, I grabbed the src.rpm for F10 and built it on cent 5 |
| 22:05.08 | fozzmoo | I dunno. Just updating what I had installed. |
| 22:08.16 | elg | proved it was possible in the ugliest possible way ;-) |
| 22:08.43 | elg | tla's uglitude surpasses that even of git in its ugliest childhood days |
| 22:15.38 | elg | ~rlart |
| 22:15.39 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that fugue88 is stuck to the floor |
| 22:37.31 | [work]jordo1 | Hey, I'm pretty new to the club. I was wondering how often are meetings? |
| 22:37.42 | fozzmoo | [work]jordo1: Which club? |
| 22:38.16 | elg | the thong meetings? |
| 22:38.22 | [work]jordo1 | yes, definitely |
| 22:38.26 | [work]jordo1 | No, the PLUG |
| 22:38.28 | fozzmoo | PLUG meetings are the second Wed of each month. |
| 22:38.35 | fozzmoo | SLLUG meetings are the third Wed of each month. |
| 22:38.46 | fozzmoo | that's all I know. :) |
| 22:38.59 | [work]jordo1 | So does this channel cover any other groups then? |
| 22:39.05 | fozzmoo | It's #utah. |
| 22:39.18 | fozzmoo | We cover all things geek in utah, I guess. |
| 22:39.19 | elg | we cover the world |
| 22:39.22 | elg | just not very well |
| 22:39.26 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 22:39.36 | [work]jordo1 | haha |
| 23:03.37 | Sargun | Thongs?! |
| 23:03.44 | Sargun | Man, I love the smell of a datacenter. |
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| 23:06.59 | sjansen | goozbach: You still love TLA? Are you familiar with Stockholm syndrome? |
| 23:09.50 | Jayce^ | boy, is he ever! |
| 23:13.42 | goozbach | sjansen: I'm not a captive! |
| 23:16.03 | fozzmoo | Whats everyone doin for the weekend? |
| 23:16.24 | elg | working |
| 23:16.28 | elg | eating |
| 23:16.32 | elg | sleeping |
| 23:16.41 | fozzmoo | All very interesting. |
| 23:16.54 | fozzmoo | Probably peeing too. |
| 23:17.07 | fozzmoo | breathing. |
| 23:17.07 | elg | as a matter of fact, yes |
| 23:17.46 | [work]jordo1 | can you do it all at once though? |
| 23:18.03 | fozzmoo | Well, aside from sleeping, I imagine you could. |
| 23:18.16 | fozzmoo | working, eating, peeing, breathing, and bicycling. |
| 23:19.40 | elg | why stop there? |
| 23:20.13 | JoshH | is driving to phoenix |
| 23:21.07 | JoshH | actually, i'll ask something here... i'll be going through kanab, to flagstaff on highway 89, then phx on i-17 |
| 23:21.45 | JoshH | anyone know if it takes significanly longer to go from kanab to glen canyon dam, then down through page, than from kanab down to fredonia on the other branch of 89? |
| 23:22.34 | JoshH | all my other trips to phx have been through vegas, to laughlin, then down some other highway that goes southeast |
| 23:23.14 | JoshH | so i'm going this way this time for some alternate scenery |
| 23:23.28 | JoshH | but can't decide if going over the dam will be worth it or not. wondering which way is more scenic, etc |
| 23:23.35 | JoshH | but i don't want to go too far out of the way either |
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| 23:29.04 | tensai | elg: what route do you take from NM to UT? |
| 23:29.32 | elg | abq, farmington, cortez, moab, green river, price, happy valley |
| 23:29.51 | elg | others have claimed the way through phoenix is just as fast |
| 23:29.57 | elg | but i can't imagine it being any more fun |
| 23:30.14 | fozzmoo | I fly. |
| 23:30.28 | JoshH | i've been through nm via farmington/abq |
| 23:30.30 | elg | i teleport |
| 23:30.36 | JoshH | i'm a fan of roadtrips |
| 23:30.46 | JoshH | especially no that gas has come down |
| 23:30.50 | JoshH | err now |
| 23:31.14 | fozzmoo | Roadtrips are the bomb... as long as you leave your kids behind. :) |
| 23:31.20 | elg | roadtrips are fun if the car is comfy, you're in no hurry, you have cash to eat out, and it's not 900 degrees out |
| 23:31.25 | tensai | elg: google says phx is 2 hours longer |
| 23:31.48 | tensai | bought a portable dvd player for the kids this christmas |
| 23:31.52 | elg | google maps has been known to do crack. but it is definitely longer miles-wise |
| 23:32.15 | elg | though our friends claim it's faster. more interestate driving - maybe they're chronic speeders |
| 23:32.44 | JoshH | i tend to stick close to 70 on the interstate |
| 23:32.46 | elg | well techincally their claim was that it's about the same |
| 23:32.54 | JoshH | and 60-65 on 2 lane highways |
| 23:32.57 | tensai | I like the walking directions |
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