| 00:09.42 | fozzmoo | Poor Ann Coulter. Gotta be tough to be a pariah. |
| 00:27.47 | jackman | hey all! |
| 00:27.56 | jackman | does someone feel like helping me test a vpn? |
| 00:34.59 | Supaplex | ibot: test |
| 00:35.00 | ibot | Failed! |
| 00:36.16 | Supaplex | test how? |
| 00:36.21 | maquis | ~test Supaplex |
| 00:36.22 | ibot | Testing Supaplex... *****$$#$ |
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| 00:38.12 | Supaplex | greetings TimRiker |
| 00:38.27 | TimRiker | waves |
| 00:39.24 | maquis | ~bzfrag TimRiker |
| 00:39.25 | ibot | ACTION blindsides TimRiker with an invisible bullet |
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| 00:41.35 | elg | whee |
| 00:41.42 | elg | is living on borrowed time |
| 00:41.52 | elg | well, "living" in the sense of being on the internet |
| 00:42.41 | unum | comcast connection? |
| 00:42.54 | unum | or someone elses wifi? |
| 00:43.22 | jackman | i just set up the openvpn server on my home box |
| 00:43.26 | elg | my ISP told me on the phone that i could disconnect today and get the refund for january or not get the refund and be set til feb |
| 00:43.31 | elg | comcast comes tomorrow |
| 00:43.39 | jackman | we have a very picky firewall at work |
| 00:43.51 | elg | i sent them an email and said, disconnect me today if you must but I think an extra day is fair considering last week |
| 00:43.53 | jackman | and i'm not sure if i can't connect because of the work firewall or because of something else |
| 00:44.06 | elg | when i called to make sure they got the email just before 5 she said it had been terminated |
| 00:44.07 | elg | yet here i am |
| 00:44.20 | unum | I have an ssh tunnel to an http proxy |
| 00:44.53 | unum | things went pretty badly in my last interview when they asked me if I had ever used an ssh tunnel.... |
| 00:44.58 | jackman | that's what i did too, for web browsing |
| 00:45.03 | elg | jackman: acn't connect to the openvpn serer? |
| 00:45.05 | unum | wish I would have thought to talk about how I use it the other way around... |
| 00:45.08 | elg | you could tcpdump on your home server |
| 00:45.13 | maquis | unum: ? |
| 00:45.13 | jackman | i'm shooting for something more versatile |
| 00:45.36 | maquis | unum: you talked about using it to bypass overly restrictive rules? |
| 00:45.53 | elg | unum: haha |
| 00:45.56 | jackman | Let me pastebin the err. |
| 00:45.58 | unum | maquis: the interviewer kind of guessed that when I paused.... |
| 00:45.59 | jackman | one moment... |
| 00:46.07 | maquis | unum: lol |
| 00:46.21 | unum | I also use it to debug my web apps on weekends |
| 00:46.24 | elg | wow, i just got an email from my local library and the 'breaking news' (at least 3x a week) this time is in a font so big i can't begin to see it |
| 00:46.42 | elg | it's seriously like the letters are 400 pixels high |
| 00:46.47 | elg | no exaggeration |
| 00:47.11 | unum | I went on to explain that my manger had asked me to implement it because it was interfering with their ability to do their jobs.... |
| 00:48.15 | unum | elg: someone probably has a REALLY nice display and no understanding of resolution |
| 00:50.13 | Heartsbane | maquis: how is the weather |
| 00:50.20 | elg | -weather klru |
| 00:50.34 | elg | -metar klru |
| 00:51.31 | harleypig | COOL! Dope does You Spin Me Round ... |
| 00:51.42 | harleypig | I have images of Boy George being violated listening to this cover. :> |
| 00:52.14 | harleypig | crap ... BG didn't do that song |
| 00:52.33 | harleypig | even so. :> |
| 00:52.59 | jackman | http://pastebin.com/d54377cc4 |
| 00:53.05 | jackman | ta! da! |
| 00:54.18 | jackman | +elg: I'm using the abnormal port as it happens to be open |
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| 00:59.40 | elg | jackman: got the config too? |
| 00:59.42 | elg | or the command line |
| 01:00.53 | elg | and which side is this? |
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| 01:08.04 | jackman | ya |
| 01:08.07 | jackman | this is the client side |
| 01:09.34 | jackman | client side config: http://pastebin.com/d1ee3e7fb |
| 01:10.34 | jackman | server side config: http://pastebin.com/d3cde6f70 |
| 01:15.03 | elg | i bet you're not connecting |
| 01:15.07 | elg | fire up tcpdump if you can |
| 01:15.12 | elg | maybe verify the port is open on udp |
| 01:15.17 | elg | (not just tcp) |
| 01:25.51 | jackman | on the server side? |
| 01:30.23 | jackman | what am i looking for with tcpdump? |
| 01:32.11 | jackman | i thought nmap was the tool for choice for looking at ports? |
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| 04:00.31 | levi | Good evening, #utahns. |
| 04:01.46 | levi | tries to find a good way to get album art imported to iTunes for all his music. |
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| 05:09.27 | redbeard2 | Sargun: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/wikipedia_over_dns.html |
| 05:09.29 | brac | [MAKE: Blog: Wikipedia over DNS] |
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| 10:43.18 | Sargun | redbeard2, that's nowhere as cool as what I did over DNS |
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| 16:01.07 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:12.49 | goozbach | Sargun_screen: let me guess: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/security/A_Better_DNS_Dead_Drop.20080107.html |
| 16:16.24 | sjansen | ~let goozbach guess |
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| 16:31.12 | sjansen | http://blog.cusec.net/2009/01/05/zed-shaw-the-acl-is-dead-cusec-2008/ |
| 16:35.58 | goozbach | http://krmg.com/blogs/the_krmg_morning_news_blog/2009/01/hardware-store-tired-of-people.html |
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| 16:53.11 | Sargun_screen | hey, who highlighted me? |
| 16:53.55 | Sargun_screen | goozbach: no, almost a year ago now, I built a dns cdn |
| 16:54.06 | Sargun_screen | amongst other nifty dns hacks |
| 16:54.19 | tensai | s/hacks/abuses/ |
| 16:54.41 | Sargun_screen | tensai: -_- |
| 16:56.07 | Sargun_screen | anyways, I wrote a dns server hack tthat would let you serve arbitrary objects over dns (rpc!k |
| 17:00.36 | Sargun_screen | I just didn't find it interesting enough |
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| 17:15.01 | elg | hmm, maybe my comcast will have hd versions of some of the ota channels |
| 17:15.28 | elg | looks like cable companies are supposed to do that for "must carry" channels this year |
| 17:15.47 | elg | and at least in many places they do |
| 17:15.53 | elg | though we'll see if my local comcast does |
| 17:17.08 | elg | is still giddy about pwning openvpn+dhcp+ddns |
| 17:17.46 | tensai | ~drench elg |
| 17:18.00 | Sargun_screen | elg: We do that at work.. I set it up in a few days. |
| 17:18.12 | Sargun_screen | and according to most people here, I'm a certified idiot. |
| 17:19.17 | elg | i'd like to take a moment to thank you and everyone else who has done it before for your excellent howto on the subject |
| 17:19.18 | Sargun_screen | Well, we have our system do OSPF + OpenVPN + Embedded Linux + DHCP relays + DDNS (with routing) |
| 17:19.58 | Sargun_screen | + Squid + NTOP -- which gets really really ugly when you have redundant tnunels |
| 17:20.41 | sjansen | elg: Does that mean you'll be blogging your solution? |
| 17:21.23 | elg | already did |
| 17:21.58 | Sargun_screen | elg: link? |
| 17:22.07 | elg | hans.fugal.net/blog |
| 17:22.53 | Sargun_screen | elg: We're moving our solution to IPSec soon. |
| 17:23.03 | elg | are you seeking my pity? |
| 17:23.06 | Sargun_screen | We had to do OpenVPN static keys to get around the great firewall issue. |
| 17:23.09 | Sargun_screen | Yes. Please. |
| 17:23.18 | elg | ~pity Sargun_screen |
| 17:23.19 | ibot | I pity da fool Sargun_screen! |
| 17:23.19 | fozzmoo | ~pity Sargun_screen |
| 17:23.20 | ibot | I pity da fool Sargun_screen! |
| 17:23.28 | Sargun_screen | but IPSec is a bit better for us, because we can do hardware acceleration. |
| 17:23.35 | elg | what do keys have to do with firewalls? |
| 17:23.47 | Sargun_screen | Uhm, china? |
| 17:24.03 | Sargun_screen | you know the chinese government, a bunch of reds. |
| 17:24.12 | elg | china blocks public key encryption? |
| 17:24.13 | Sargun_screen | They have that great firewall of CRAP. |
| 17:24.21 | Sargun_screen | elg: For our uses, yes. |
| 17:24.36 | Sargun_screen | We deal with "sensitive" data |
| 17:25.09 | elg | so technically they are blocking openvpn from setting up tls? or is it policy? |
| 17:25.24 | Sargun_screen | but you can register for an encryption license. |
| 17:25.32 | elg | so policy |
| 17:26.15 | Sargun_screen | yeah, and if they catch us, we get deported to china to stand trial, which sounds FUN! |
| 17:26.38 | JoshH | reports Sargun_screen |
| 17:26.55 | elg | i didn't say you shouldn't be bound by policy :) |
| 17:26.59 | elg | stupid as it is |
| 17:27.23 | elg | i was just curious if it was a technical feat or policy |
| 17:27.47 | Sargun_screen | Well, IPSec is also ugly. |
| 17:27.54 | elg | you got that right |
| 17:28.10 | Sargun_screen | The guy who wrote the IPSec implementation for Linux goes to a local lug, maybe I can convince him to help me. |
| 17:28.51 | elg | i haven't looked at ipsec for linux in awhile |
| 17:29.03 | Jayce^ | hehehe... somebody somehow got a "STEVE JOBS JUST DIED" into the macrumors live coverage feed.... |
| 17:29.16 | sjansen | Huh. We switched from IPsec to OpenVPN 'cause IPsec was so annoying and unreliable. |
| 17:29.19 | elg | what's the de facto standard now? which unmaintained steaming pile of hud won the relevance war? |
| 17:29.23 | Sargun_screen | jaynice. |
| 17:29.42 | elg | sjansen: ditto |
| 17:29.59 | Sargun_screen | Oh, holy crap, my ISP's CEO offered to follow me on Twitter. |
| 17:30.03 | elg | actually i now have vague memories of getting dhcp working at wencor. maybe only partially so |
| 17:30.10 | elg | that's why i write these things down now :) |
| 17:30.38 | elg | he wants to keep an eye on you no doubt |
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| 17:30.58 | Sargun_screen | Of course. |
| 17:31.42 | fozzmoo | Or he's some kind of masochist. |
| 17:31.55 | elg | Sargun_screen: so do they like the static keys because they're easier to crack? or do you share the key with them? |
| 17:32.14 | elg | or is it just some funny loophole in policy written by non-experts? |
| 17:33.14 | Sargun_screen | elg: If they come to us, we have to give them the static key, and a way to decode it. |
| 17:33.22 | elg | ic |
| 17:33.26 | Sargun_screen | Which from what I understand isn't trivial with OpenVPN |
| 17:33.41 | Sargun_screen | but I'm sure if my ass relied on it, I'd figure it out. |
| 17:33.43 | elg | does it have to be trivial? you just hand them the source code and the key |
| 17:33.55 | elg | or does it have to be a turnkey way to decode it? |
| 17:33.56 | Sargun_screen | and/or we'd hire someone, because it'd probably be my bosses ass on the line too. |
| 17:34.09 | sjansen | Okay, let's discuss something more critical (to me): Dashes or underscores in filenames? |
| 17:34.15 | sjansen | Ready... Set... Fight! |
| 17:34.15 | Sargun_screen | elg: their "experts" have to be able to figure it out. |
| 17:34.26 | Sargun_screen | sjansen: underscores are ok, dashes are fail. |
| 17:34.39 | Sargun_screen | sjansen: Unless the file name starts with -- |
| 17:34.49 | Jayce^ | sjansen, why are you excluding those Java/MS programmers that all want CamelCase etc.. |
| 17:34.49 | Sargun_screen | then it's win. |
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| 17:53.03 | tensai | ipsec with hardware firewalls isn't so bad. ipsec with linux is a beast that I've never conquered. |
| 17:54.42 | high_roller | I've configured Free/SWAN |
| 17:55.13 | high_roller | it was not terribly easy (since i had to patch the kernel), but it was not overly hard either |
| 17:58.23 | tensai | it probably would have been easier had I been trying to connect two linux boxes |
| 17:58.38 | tensai | but trying to match options in freeswan and sonicwall was a nightmare I dare not attempt again |
| 17:59.01 | high_roller | yea, I did Linux to Linux |
| 17:59.03 | ^Migs^ | I could use either dashes or underscores, but when using them I'm ALWAYS consistent |
| 17:59.16 | ^Migs^ | what bugs me is that my coworker uses neither. He uses DOTS. |
| 17:59.43 | ^Migs^ | I'm constantly WTFing at his filenames he uploads to my web server. Stuff like nm.01.big.transparent.jpg |
| 17:59.52 | high_roller | I tried connecting windows XP to Linux using ipsec and it was a huge FAIL |
| 18:00.08 | ^Migs^ | especially AFTER I told him the convention we were going to use was dashes. |
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| 18:01.24 | maquis | *yawn* |
| 18:03.55 | tensai | I'm not sure I care what the separator is. it is nice if they're consistent though. |
| 18:04.02 | tensai | throws a penny in maquis' mouth |
| 18:04.19 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHA http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary |
| 18:08.28 | maquis | finds a penny in her mouth. |
| 18:08.42 | unum | uh........ |
| 18:08.45 | maquis | is surprised... she didn't think she was a fish, but money's supposed to appear in fish mouths |
| 18:09.04 | unum | oh now I read the back log that makes more sense |
| 18:09.12 | maquis | lol |
| 18:09.36 | maquis | unum: you walked in at the wrong point in that conversation, eh? |
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| 18:09.56 | unum | maquis: ya |
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| 18:26.09 | wps | iTunes is now DRM free |
| 18:26.19 | wps | thought this crowd would be interested :) |
| 18:26.33 | maquis | really? |
| 18:26.38 | maquis | amazon mp3 is still cheaper, though |
| 18:27.17 | wps | perhapsâ¦Â there's new pricing |
| 18:27.32 | wps | instead of .99 across the board, there is not .69 and 1.29 |
| 18:27.51 | wps | Apple had to give in to flexibly pricing in exchange for DRM free |
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| 18:28.46 | wps | starting today 8M songs will be DRM free |
| 18:28.57 | wps | the rest of the 10M catalog will be by the end of the quarter |
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| 18:29.32 | high_roller | do the DRM free stuff require iTunes Plus ? |
| 18:30.55 | wps | noâ¦Â plus will go away |
| 18:31.06 | wps | (I think) |
| 18:31.44 | high_roller | whatever, mininova is cheaper |
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| 18:33.56 | maquis | wps: so, will they be real mp3s? |
| 18:34.21 | wps | I haven't read anything about file format |
| 18:35.19 | levi | maquis: Why would you want 'real mp3s'? |
| 18:35.37 | levi | mp3 is not actually all that great. |
| 18:35.38 | maquis | levi: better than proprietary formats |
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| 18:35.44 | maquis | levi: i'll take ogg too... |
| 18:35.50 | maquis | but mp3 is better than aac |
| 18:36.15 | levi | mp3 is no less proprietary than aac, and has lower quality for the bitrate. |
| 18:36.28 | maquis | levi: but everything can play it |
| 18:36.38 | levi | So? |
| 18:37.03 | wps | every device I have plays bothâ¦Â so who cares |
| 18:37.04 | levi | If tons of AAC files are distributed without DRM, people will make more devices that play them. |
| 18:39.31 | levi | mp3 is specified in MPEG-1 and MPEG-2, while aac is specified in MPEG-2 and MPEG-4. The mp3 format is a legacy format now. |
| 18:40.06 | maquis | *shrug* |
| 18:40.31 | maquis | my teammates are discussing kitchen design |
| 18:41.44 | levi | The |
| 18:41.46 | levi | Er. |
| 18:42.28 | levi | The Creative Zen, Microsoft Zune, SanDisk Sansa, PSP, Sony Walkman, and of course Apple's devices all play AAC. |
| 18:43.03 | maquis | do the irivers play aac? |
| 18:43.21 | maquis | last time i checked, anything with rockbox installed doesn't play aac... |
| 18:43.38 | levi | Rockbox must suck, then. |
| 18:44.43 | levi | I saw something that said Rockbox on iRiver played AAC files, though. |
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| 18:46.42 | levi | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 18:46.54 | levi | Yup, apparently it's in SVN. |
| 18:47.16 | wps | maquis: I found the details |
| 18:47.29 | wps | all songs in iTunes are now iTunes Plus and they are in AAC |
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| 18:50.21 | maquis | wps: interesting |
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| 18:51.56 | levi | wps: Does that mean they're also higher-bitrate? |
| 18:52.06 | levi | iTunes Plus used to mean both no-DRM and higher-bitrate. |
| 18:53.11 | wps | yes, my understanding is that everything will be the new higher bit rate and DRM-free |
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| 18:54.05 | maquis | sticks with amazon mp3 |
| 18:54.33 | levi | What bitrate are amazon mp3s? |
| 18:57.17 | maquis | levi: i don't know off the top of my head |
| 18:58.07 | levi | Apparently VBR with an average of 256kbps. |
| 18:58.15 | Sargun | Tene, wow, you got on the front page of reddit. |
| 18:58.18 | levi | Though some are a constant 256kbps. |
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| 19:02.11 | maquis | levi: is that good? |
| 19:02.59 | levi | Yeah, that's pretty good. |
| 19:03.35 | levi | iTunes Plus is also 255kbps. |
| 19:04.13 | levi | So, Amazon and iTunes downloads will be similar quality. |
| 19:04.17 | Sargun | I like Aamzon |
| 19:04.24 | maquis | me too |
| 19:04.25 | maquis | :) |
| 19:04.35 | maquis | i'm slightly biased, though |
| 19:04.37 | levi | One would hope maquis liked Amazon. |
| 19:04.59 | Sargun | Yay, I have +o in a fairly large channel |
| 19:05.07 | Sargun | Time to terrorize ;-P |
| 19:05.08 | maquis | Sargun: nice... what channel? |
| 19:05.11 | Sargun | ##networking |
| 19:05.22 | Sargun | maquis, Are you on vacation? |
| 19:05.29 | maquis | Sargun: no... why? |
| 19:05.40 | Sargun | Just wondering.. You're usually barely on. |
| 19:05.58 | maquis | yeah... i'm kidna sporadic |
| 19:07.30 | Sargun | yeah |
| 19:07.36 | tensai | yeah |
| 19:07.38 | Sargun | Anyways, how are things going |
| 19:08.01 | tensai | levi: I've been rather satisfied with my amazon mp3s |
| 19:08.15 | maquis | Sargun: busy :) |
| 19:08.26 | maquis | holidays are over, though, so that's good |
| 19:08.30 | levi | I really like the convenience of the iTunes Music Store. |
| 19:08.42 | levi | Especially now that I can buy music directly from my iPod. |
| 19:09.53 | maquis | i like jamendo... :) |
| 19:10.06 | tensai | I have a non-ipod device, so itunes is a no-go for me |
| 19:12.33 | sjansen | Huh, no new Mac Mini after all. |
| 19:13.21 | Sargun | Tene, I have an N810, so all I can do is Amazon |
| 19:13.43 | Sargun | I very rarely "steal" music |
| 19:14.14 | Sargun | I used to rip a bunch of music from pandora, don't do that anymore |
| 19:15.12 | tensai | ^5s Tene |
| 19:15.33 | levi | sjansen: Well, part of the whole leaving the expo deal was to decouple their product releases from it. So, maybe in a couple of months or something. |
| 19:15.36 | Sargun | Tene, can you make it so Parrot can share buffers between languages? |
| 19:16.30 | Sargun | maquis, Do you deal with any of the MPI @ Amazon? |
| 19:16.57 | goozbach | anyone played mirror's edge? |
| 19:17.02 | goozbach | I just downloaded the demo to my PS3 last night, it's got some potential |
| 19:17.04 | maquis | Sargun: the what? |
| 19:17.14 | goozbach | but I've been burnt by good demos before. |
| 19:17.44 | Sargun | macnewbold, message passing. |
| 19:18.23 | Sargun | maquis, Message passing... |
| 19:18.36 | Sargun | or is all of your work done with a database backend? |
| 19:19.29 | maquis | Sargun: we do use some message-passing software... |
| 19:19.41 | Sargun | maquis, Do you understand the innards of it? |
| 19:21.05 | maquis | Sargun: nope :) |
| 19:21.23 | Sargun | maquis, heh. So, most of your actual app has a database backend? |
| 19:22.21 | maquis | Sargun: i can't really explain too much more about that without giving more information than i'm fully comfortable sharing :) |
| 19:22.46 | Sargun | Ah, understandable. |
| 19:23.03 | tensai | I suspect there is more than just a single app running amazon |
| 19:23.25 | Sargun | tensai, but not all apps need to talk directly to each other |
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| 19:27.54 | sjansen | There is no Tene. The is only Zül. |
| 19:28.24 | Tene | Sargun: eh? share buffers? explain more? |
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| 19:31.03 | Sargun | Tene, Shared memory between different languages. |
| 19:31.40 | Tene | Sargun: exactly the same as shared memory in a single language. |
| 19:32.31 | Sargun | but can Parrot make that transperent |
| 19:34.50 | Tene | Yes. There's no difference between the different languages besides what namespace they run in, their API, etc. |
| 19:35.45 | Tene | If you call a function with a buffer as an argument, for example? Is that what you're asking about? |
| 19:38.47 | tensai | apple is abandoning all music drm. that's nice to hear. |
| 19:39.13 | tensai | wonder when audible will give up too |
| 19:39.28 | Tene | what happens with existing DRM'd music files from apple? |
| 19:39.42 | tensai | the bbc says it's "unclear" |
| 19:40.23 | tensai | seems that there must be some non-zero cost associated with maintaining the drm, so it might be in their interest to remove it |
| 19:41.51 | levi | Well, overnight the 'upgrade to iTunes Plus' link in iTMS got a lot more stuff in it, but they still want you to pay to upgrade. |
| 19:42.51 | levi | They'll still have DRM stuff for TV shows and movies, though. |
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| 19:43.36 | tensai | levi: that's why I added the "music drm" qualifier. it wouldn't surprise me if video drm went the same way though |
| 19:43.55 | levi | It would surprise me. |
| 19:44.01 | levi | At least in the short term. |
| 19:44.10 | levi | How else would you do download 'rentals'? |
| 19:49.05 | tensai | I'm not convinced drm solves any problem in a useful way. any movie available for rental is certainly available illegally, so it clearly has not stopped anybody from copying movies. |
| 19:49.28 | tensai | what would stop me is that I don't generally want to re-watch shows and I don't have space to keep copies of everything |
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| 19:53.28 | Sargun | Should I be evil and use LZMA for our installer? |
| 20:07.42 | elg | ~rlart |
| 20:07.43 | ibot | strangles romanovic with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 20:08.30 | elg | levi: 128KBps |
| 20:08.45 | romanovic | starts turning purple |
| 20:08.49 | levi | elg: What about 128KBps? |
| 20:09.00 | elg | amazon mp3s |
| 20:09.13 | levi | Not according to their FAQ. |
| 20:09.45 | elg | according to the id3 tag |
| 20:09.46 | elg | but, |
| 20:09.47 | levi | Though they did say something like 'most'. |
| 20:09.50 | elg | according to ffmpeg |
| 20:09.50 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.22 | levi | The FAQ says VBR with average of 256KBps. |
| 20:10.38 | levi | For most of the tracks. |
| 20:11.43 | romanovic | i've gotten a lot of mp3 albums from amazon, they all have been 256kbps so far |
| 20:12.35 | tensai | I checked a couple and they were 256kpbs. how do you tell if they're cbr or vbr? |
| 20:12.54 | elg | maybe rachmaninov deserve 320kbps |
| 20:13.40 | elg | maybe that's a maximum figure |
| 20:13.50 | elg | oh this isn't rach, it's cambridge singers |
| 20:14.21 | elg | ok, mplayer says |
| 20:14.22 | elg | Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3 |
| 20:14.23 | elg | AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/9.07% (ratio: 16000->176400) |
| 20:14.35 | elg | maybe that's 128 per channel? so much confusion |
| 20:14.46 | levi | Does ffmpeg tell you if it's VBR, or just give you the bitrate of whatever frame it's working on? |
| 20:15.10 | elg | levi: that's the output at the beginning, for the whole file |
| 20:15.16 | elg | as for cbr/vbr... let me try an experiment |
| 20:16.56 | elg | well, neither ffmpeg nor id3info nor mplayer reports the vbrness of this one i just encoded |
| 20:21.03 | sjansen | audio and video are evil, we should all go back to pure text and be happy |
| 20:21.23 | elg | ~text sjansen |
| 20:21.41 | elg | i wonder what the maximum dns ttl is |
| 20:21.45 | elg | 32 bits? |
| 20:21.49 | elg | or something arbitrary? |
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| 20:24.41 | Tene | ~libcaca sjansen |
| 20:25.19 | sjansen | ~poo Tene |
| 20:25.20 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at Tene |
| 20:25.43 | elg | sjansen: does zoneedit do AXFR in response to NOTIFY? |
| 20:25.57 | elg | these other clowns don't. they'll refresh after a notify... within an hour or two |
| 20:26.00 | elg | that's not good enough |
| 20:27.57 | tensai | elg: I could do a test. hold on. |
| 20:28.21 | sjansen | elg: It appears to, yes. |
| 20:29.25 | sjansen | There was a delay last time I tried a couple days ago. Long enough that I walked away from my laptop before it happened. |
| 20:29.39 | sjansen | Where my attention span < 5 minutes. |
| 20:29.53 | Tene | <<< |
| 20:30.11 | sjansen | ~poo Tene |
| 20:30.12 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at Tene |
| 20:30.50 | Tene | ~elg sjansen |
| 20:30.51 | ibot | ACTION straps sjansen to the underside of an organ pedalboard and gets down with some Bach. |
| 20:31.15 | elg | meh, stuff it. i'm going to set up secondary dns on plug.org for me. anyone else want in? |
| 20:34.14 | sjansen | Now we see the violence inherent in the system. |
| 20:37.54 | Tene | ~findlay sjansen |
| 20:37.55 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps sjansen with abandon |
| 20:57.05 | tensai | elg: it took a little while but I can confirm that zoneedit transfers after notify |
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| 20:57.13 | elg | how long is a little while? |
| 20:57.29 | tensai | sent the notify at 13:47:15, transfer started at 13:51:03 |
| 20:57.37 | craver_ | !list |
| 20:58.39 | tensai | There is no list. There is only Zül. |
| 20:58.42 | jasonpr | craver_: sup |
| 20:59.15 | craver_ | where's BaLtHoR |
| 20:59.20 | craver_ | :) |
| 21:01.45 | tensai | elg: it took /me/ a while because I discovered my serial wasn't being incremented |
| 21:01.59 | elg | heh |
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| 21:13.34 | tensai | looks like I get to attend exchange training. I haven't decided yet if I want to cry. |
| 21:17.03 | Sargun | tensai, SOUNDS FUN! :-P |
| 21:17.08 | Jayce^ | and why do you have to suffer through that? |
| 21:17.41 | tensai | somebody has to and I got nominated |
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| 21:21.12 | Jayce^ | short straw |
| 21:24.51 | tensai | I'm the server and mail guru, so in a way it makes sense |
| 21:25.03 | tensai | poor jsmith-away is stuck in SLC |
| 21:26.29 | Jayce^ | poor guy.. |
| 21:28.48 | Sargun | tensai, Do a lot of drugs. |
| 21:29.21 | craver | i personally woundn't call anyone who uses exchange for email a mail guru |
| 21:29.52 | tensai | luckily exchange is the least of my mail experience |
| 21:45.36 | jasonpr | lol |
| 22:06.55 | goozbach | tensai: why not tell them to send you to a zimbra class? |
| 22:06.56 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know of any SAs looking for work? |
| 22:07.10 | rsimpkins | It seems to be in Utah, nearly everyone is happily employed. |
| 22:07.13 | rsimpkins | *me |
| 22:07.25 | ^Migs^ | Utah has a good stable economy |
| 22:07.29 | craver | contract? |
| 22:07.45 | rsimpkins | We are looking for a Sr. level admin. |
| 22:07.58 | ^Migs^ | where at, rsimpkins? |
| 22:08.03 | ^Migs^ | and what's the salary lke? |
| 22:08.04 | ^Migs^ | *like |
| 22:08.13 | craver | Linux? |
| 22:08.19 | ^Migs^ | work hours? |
| 22:08.26 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Omniture. And it comes with a Sr. level salary. Linux. Full-time |
| 22:08.49 | ^Migs^ | okay, I don't know what a "Sr. level salary" means. I work for a K-12 school district. |
| 22:08.55 | jasonpr | ^Migs^: I would say that's because its not based off of trade |
| 22:09.02 | ^Migs^ | and what's full-time? 7-3? 8-4? 9-5? 12-8? |
| 22:09.06 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: I'm guessing 60-90k DOE. |
| 22:09.09 | craver | I have friends at Omniture |
| 22:09.33 | harleypig | 11-3? |
| 22:09.35 | rsimpkins | maquis: regular business hours. |
| 22:09.40 | ^Migs^ | that's how much it'd be? |
| 22:09.45 | ^Migs^ | That's less than I expected :( |
| 22:09.50 | rsimpkins | Silly autotab complete. :( |
| 22:09.58 | ^Migs^ | maybe I make better money here than I thought |
| 22:10.04 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Welcome to Utah. |
| 22:10.13 | craver | contract? |
| 22:10.17 | ^Migs^ | no, I live in Utah |
| 22:10.20 | rsimpkins | No. FT only. |
| 22:10.31 | craver | telecommute? |
| 22:10.34 | rsimpkins | No. |
| 22:10.37 | ^Migs^ | but having worked in both public and private industries, private has usually been better. |
| 22:10.40 | craver | not interested |
| 22:10.41 | rsimpkins | It is a regular professional position. |
| 22:11.16 | harleypig | rsimpkins: how much experience with linux is needed? |
| 22:12.06 | ^Migs^ | I'm kind of spoiled. The only way I'd take a different job is if I'd make at least six figures, and get stuff like a laptop, PDA, cell phone, be able to telecommute if I wanted, within walking distance of the FrontRunner... |
| 22:12.09 | rsimpkins | harleypig: I recommend having previous experience admining a Linux installation with at lest 300-1000 servers, as a Sr. |
| 22:12.22 | craver | sr. level salary for a linux sys admin in SLC area is 95k - 100k + |
| 22:12.28 | harleypig | My brother is in charge of the mlatc computer networking ... that answer's that. He's focused on windows, but he's wanting to change. |
| 22:12.36 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Yeah, sounds like you are spoiled. |
| 22:12.42 | rsimpkins | ;-) |
| 22:14.58 | craver | i could manage 1000 linux servers without getting out of bed. |
| 22:15.22 | rsimpkins | Do you? |
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| 22:16.16 | craver | mm, i currently work for a startup now, I manage about 25 servers now |
| 22:16.24 | ^Migs^ | I hope these 1000 servers are virtualized. |
| 22:16.48 | rsimpkins | Omniture babsits about 13,000 Linux servers. No. They are not virtualized. |
| 22:16.53 | rsimpkins | *babysits. |
| 22:17.02 | rsimpkins | reminds himself to go to bed early tonight. |
| 22:17.03 | craver | virtulization is overrated. |
| 22:17.10 | rsimpkins | craver: I disagree. |
| 22:17.16 | rsimpkins | use the right tool for the right job. |
| 22:17.26 | tensai | concurs with rsimpkins |
| 22:18.37 | craver | all fun and games until you have a hardware failure. |
| 22:18.52 | rsimpkins | I'm not saying someone couldn't get hired if they only manage 25 servers, just that the preferred candidcate will have experience with at least a few hundred. |
| 22:19.16 | rsimpkins | There is a mental shift that happens when you go from 25 servers to manage, to over 1000. |
| 22:19.30 | rsimpkins | You sort of cross a line at a few hundred, in my experience. |
| 22:19.37 | craver | doubt that |
| 22:19.37 | tensai | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7812875.stm |
| 22:19.39 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | 'Penis fire' suspect is charged] |
| 22:19.40 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, you can't just log in and vi a file on each of them? :) |
| 22:19.43 | jasonpr | I've worked number of companies as a consultant. And the best place I've worked is a place that had all DEV work done on a VM |
| 22:19.53 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Only if your name is Jayce^. |
| 22:20.07 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:20.13 | rsimpkins | craver: Until you have done it, how do you know I'm wrong? |
| 22:20.16 | jasonpr | I usually show up a new gig and have to wait a week before I do anything except at that place that uses VMs |
| 22:20.22 | craver | probably cause they were to cheap to invest in real hardware |
| 22:21.19 | tensai | elg: so how's the comcast internet doing? |
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| 22:21.48 | jasonpr | vitalization definitely has its place |
| 22:22.02 | elg | so far so good |
| 22:22.16 | tensai | the news has been reporting here about skywi. apparently some local businesses have their internet back but their phone lines were disconnected. |
| 22:23.18 | elg | a friend called this morning (he was out of town the first time) wondering if i had internet |
| 22:23.31 | elg | his paparently cut of fhte same time mine did |
| 22:23.38 | elg | and apparently the same time my fingers stopped working |
| 22:23.54 | elg | i thought mine was cut off because they were disconnecting me, which should happen today or tomorrow |
| 22:23.57 | elg | but maybe it's more trouble |
| 22:24.04 | elg | that was about 20 minutes before comcast arrived |
| 22:24.55 | tensai | I sure wonder why qwest is taking a week to reconnect when they seem to have disconnected rather quickly |
| 22:27.56 | elg | yeah |
| 22:28.17 | elg | well, i saw a skywi quote about "it took them 36 hours to disconnect us so we admit it may take that long to reconnect" |
| 22:28.21 | elg | which is odd |
| 22:28.42 | elg | maybe things started happening 36 hours, but everything I saw happened very quickly |
| 22:28.50 | sjansen | You haven't lived until you've done dev work on VMs. |
| 22:29.13 | craver | hahaha |
| 22:31.14 | elg | the real trick is of course rehashing my home network |
| 22:31.16 | sjansen | I'm only half kidding. Being able to spin up a new system, clone it, trash it, etc. is very handy. |
| 22:31.26 | elg | but i'm close to finished with that task. |
| 22:33.22 | tensai | elg: I went through a similar exercise last year. went from a /28 to a /32. *sniff* |
| 22:33.56 | elg | i was pleasantly surprised that the modem is a level 2 bridge. i was worried i'd have to muck about with port forwarding |
| 22:34.34 | tensai | I also was that lucky |
| 22:34.56 | elg | the comcast guy was hip and knowledgeable |
| 22:35.24 | elg | wants to go to school to get a handful of cisco certs and be a network engineer |
| 22:35.56 | elg | didn't even ask to install crap on my computers :) |
| 22:36.05 | craver | just pay 12k to attend a boot camp, get all your cisco certs in a couple weeks. |
| 22:36.24 | elg | he also apparently gets roughly 50% off on apple products |
| 22:36.35 | elg | wants to get a nice new macbook |
| 22:36.43 | elg | had a cracked iphone |
| 22:36.44 | elg | :) |
| 22:37.47 | craver | any DRBD users in here? |
| 22:38.13 | tensai | former drbd user. haven't used it in 2-3 years. |
| 22:38.53 | craver | it's been a year for me, was wondering if they allow more than 2 primary nodes now. |
| 22:39.10 | craver | was going to do some testing again. |
| 22:40.02 | tensai | I think they do. I know they were heading that direction, but haven't followed it much. |
| 22:40.40 | craver | last time i used it they allowed 2 but then i can into problems with Redhat GFS on a 2 node cluster |
| 22:40.49 | craver | so it didn't work out. |
| 22:44.54 | maquis | rsimpkins: ? |
| 22:45.06 | maquis | rsimpkins: ah... nm... looks like you were talking to ^Migs^ |
| 22:46.03 | ^Migs^ | I think he was mostly talking to craver |
| 22:46.11 | maquis | ^Migs^: ah... either way |
| 22:46.35 | maquis | i think he meant to say ^Migs^ when he said maquis :) |
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| 22:56.06 | craver | Sysinfo for 'craver-kubuntu': Linux 2.6.24-22-generic running KDE 3.5.10, CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore4800+ at 1000 MHz (1996 bogomips), , RAM: 1997/2013MB, 159 proc's, 28.1d up |
| 22:56.15 | craver | oops |
| 22:57.53 | Sargun | Man, does twitter suck? |
| 22:58.03 | ^Migs^ | nah |
| 22:58.07 | craver | never used it |
| 22:58.07 | ^Migs^ | depends on what you use it for |
| 22:58.43 | ^Migs^ | most people think it sucks the first time they suck, then they continue to think that right up until they get about 100 followers/followees |
| 22:58.53 | ^Migs^ | then they don't know how they lived without it |
| 23:00.41 | Sargun | ^Migs^, No IM support, no autofresh, messages are limited to 140 characters |
| 23:00.55 | ^Migs^ | it used to have IM support |
| 23:01.12 | ^Migs^ | okay, wait, you're just using twitter.com |
| 23:01.53 | ^Migs^ | you need a client like Twirl, or Twitterfox. Look here: http://twitter.pbwiki.com/Apps |
| 23:02.22 | elg | hey, i have standard cable not basic. |
| 23:02.42 | elg | i hope this is really my cable (because if it's not maybe someone else's modem will fight with mine) |
| 23:02.49 | ^Migs^ | and some people see the 140 character limit as a good thing. I like that my Twitterpals/Twitterfriends/Twits/Twitterati/etc. are limited in their ramblings |
| 23:03.04 | elg | there was some uncertainty about whether he got the right one in the cable box |
| 23:03.09 | Sargun | ^Migs^, This is more complicated than Linux! |
| 23:03.16 | elg | also has a bunch of digital stations. awesome |
| 23:03.33 | Sargun | this is more complicated than being a sysadmin. |
| 23:04.22 | ^Migs^ | just noticed previous typo. *"Most people think it sucks the first they SEE IT" |
| 23:04.47 | ^Migs^ | Twitter is just like a chat room you can take anywhere with you, except you get to choose who's in the chat room |
| 23:04.47 | elg | i've seen it more than once and still think it sucks, does that count? :) |
| 23:05.01 | ^Migs^ | Meh, it's not for everyone. |
| 23:05.22 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.26 | ^Migs^ | I use it for professional development, and to keep tabs on the latest teacher-relevant tools, conference liveblogs, etc. |
| 23:05.42 | ^Migs^ | I've made some good contacts through Twitter, and met a few of them in person. |
| 23:06.20 | ^Migs^ | there was just a news story about how a judge decided to allow tweets in the courtroom |
| 23:06.33 | Sargun | ^Migs^, Twitter seems more like a Message passing service for humans |
| 23:06.37 | ^Migs^ | it's a highly effective way to get news stories out, and the media has been jumping all over Twitter for a long time now |
| 23:06.57 | Sargun | "LULZ, DEFENSE GOT PWND" |
| 23:07.02 | ^Migs^ | Exactly. |
| 23:07.09 | craver | yea, I read yesterday that Bill O came out of the closet on twitter. |
| 23:07.35 | unum | so is there a way to set a sticky bit with acls? |
| 23:07.37 | ^Migs^ | Obama's Twitter account got hacked, too |
| 23:08.30 | craver | and Britany Spears. |
| 23:08.41 | unum | mccain's bottle of ink did not get hacked |
| 23:08.52 | Sargun | Don't <insert word I forget here> Britney! |
| 23:09.00 | Sargun | Don't hurt? |
| 23:09.15 | unum | LEAVE HER ALONE!! |
| 23:09.30 | Sargun | oh, yeah |
| 23:09.31 | Sargun | that |
| 23:09.33 | ^Migs^ | Here's obama's hacked account: http://twitpic.com/zxbs |
| 23:09.34 | brac | [And.....the tweet is gone, but not before I took a screenshot... on TwitPic] |
| 23:09.47 | Sargun | Grr. |
| 23:10.19 | Tene | unum: what would that even mean? |
| 23:10.21 | Sargun | ^Migs^, Twitter must hate barack osama. |
| 23:10.29 | Sargun | for having that many followers. |
| 23:10.45 | Sargun | ^Migs^, is there any throttling of how many times you can tweet per minute |
| 23:11.09 | Sargun | ^Migs^, the text restrictions are just under 140 characters, null bytes are ok, right |
| 23:11.31 | Tene | ... |
| 23:11.58 | ^Migs^ | Twitter has deals with carriers in the U.S. |
| 23:12.14 | ^Migs^ | not in the UK, though. They recently had to cancel SMS messaging services there. |
| 23:12.24 | elg | my wife is going to be so happy we can take down the homemade antennas |
| 23:12.29 | elg | though it saddens me |
| 23:12.41 | ^Migs^ | I'm not aware of any throttling |
| 23:12.54 | ^Migs^ | I know when dealing with the APIs you can only do so much at once... |
| 23:13.24 | ^Migs^ | and text restrictions are there so you can receive SMSs |
| 23:13.35 | ^Migs^ | and with that, Migs has to leave. Migs out. |
| 23:13.37 | Sargun | ^Migs^, can I put a null byte in? |
| 23:13.39 | Sargun | grr. |
| 23:30.07 | Tene | "On 10 June 1940, Garvey died after two strokes, putatively after reading a mistaken, and negative, obituary of himself in the Chicago Defender which stated, in part, that Garvey died "broke, alone and unpopular"." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Garvey#Death |
| 23:41.37 | *** join/#utah Rolcol (n=Rolcol@unaffiliated/rolcol) |
| 23:47.08 | undertakingyou | rsimpkins: ping |
| 23:51.21 | rsimpkins | ~pong undertakingyou |
| 23:51.22 | ibot | undertakingyou: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |