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| 00:37.57 | elg | -chat |
| 00:37.57 | brac | or out to forks yet? |
| 00:46.37 | Supaplex | ~break wind |
| 00:46.38 | ibot | ACTION installs Windows into wind's brain, reboots it, adds more Microsoft products, and reboots again. |
| 01:00.47 | elg | tensai: you can take out the erin alias though |
| 01:34.04 | fozzmoo | ~lart megaraid_sas |
| 01:34.04 | ibot | crushes megaraid_sas with a full height scsi disk |
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| 01:37.46 | bonez45 | elg: still have trouble on my one machine.. it's the one with the dvd burner.. and even though I can connect with it locally, I can't get apt-get to work in updating it.. or installing apps to it.. |
| 01:38.21 | elg | can you get to the internat at all? |
| 01:39.13 | bonez45 | not sure.. here's my sources.list |
| 01:40.16 | bonez45 | deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy main |
| 01:40.16 | bonez45 | deb-src http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy main |
| 01:40.16 | bonez45 | deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main |
| 01:40.16 | bonez45 | deb-src http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main |
| 01:40.16 | bonez45 | deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe |
| 01:40.17 | bonez45 | deb-src http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates universe |
| 01:40.20 | bonez45 | shouldn't that work? |
| 01:44.50 | elg | i mean can you ping an internet server (maybe google) from that box |
| 01:46.58 | tensai | elg: done |
| 01:51.02 | elg | -thank tensai |
| 01:51.05 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 01:51.06 | brac | replaces tensais jock itch cream with Nair |
| 01:51.09 | elg | -chucknorris |
| 01:51.11 | brac | In 1997, the Kool-Aid Man jumped through Chuck Norris' living room wall. It hasn't been seen since. [score=6.235] |
| 01:51.34 | tensai | what hasn't been seen? the living room wall? |
| 01:51.47 | tensai | shouldn't the Kool-Aid Main be a "he"? |
| 01:52.43 | elg | are you questioning Chuck Norris' grammar? |
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| 01:53.50 | tensai | no, brac's |
| 01:54.03 | tensai | I wouldn't dare question chuck norris |
| 01:56.48 | elg | awesome. zune programmers don't grok leap years |
| 01:57.45 | tensai | ~zune elg |
| 02:37.04 | fozzmoo | W00t. I found the RHEL5 driver disk image for this stupid MegaRAID SAS controller! |
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| 03:41.17 | rsimpkins | MegaRAID, lol. |
| 03:47.53 | Supaplex | rHELL! |
| 03:48.10 | Supaplex | another member of the rsh family. ;) |
| 03:59.18 | Sargun | So you guys believe you're completely fine from yellow stone, correct? |
| 03:59.57 | Sargun | because the last time it exploded was 70k years ago, but that never happened, because earth is only 6k years old, right? |
| 04:22.56 | bonez45 | elg, still here? |
| 04:26.11 | bonez45 | elg.. yes, I CAN ping a site like google.com from that machine.. it shows ping to 74.125.45.100, same result I get when pinging it from my xp box.. .. |
| 04:28.15 | bonez45 | anyone around at this late hour? or all gone for the day? |
| 04:28.42 | Sargun | bonez45, it's only 20:28 |
| 04:28.48 | Sargun | elg, what's wrong? |
| 04:30.06 | bonez45 | ah... I had asked elg earlier about why I can't get apt-get to run.. he asked if I could ping anything from that box.. and I can ping google.com and it give that address.. but for some reason I can't get apt-get update or install to run |
| 04:30.20 | bonez45 | I am wondering if it's my dns setting for that machine.. or something like that.. |
| 04:32.10 | Sargun | does the ping complete successfully? |
| 04:32.40 | bonez45 | yes... |
| 04:32.45 | Sargun | bonez45, is it debian, or ubuntu |
| 04:33.27 | Sargun | bonez45, do you have internet access from that machine? |
| 04:33.54 | bonez45 | ubuntu.. that box is.. it's ubuntu server... |
| 04:34.05 | Sargun | oh |
| 04:34.10 | bonez45 | well, I do, but I can NOT get apt-get to work.. it won't update or upgrade or install.. |
| 04:34.18 | Sargun | can you do "links -dump google.com" |
| 04:34.23 | Sargun | do you get something that makes sense? |
| 04:34.30 | bonez45 | and I really want to get it to.. cause I need to burn a cd.. and that machine is the one with the cd burner..... |
| 04:35.27 | bonez45 | the program links is not currently installed.....so thus I can't run that commmand |
| 04:37.38 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:37.39 | Sargun | muwhaha |
| 04:37.58 | bonez45 | dang... what other files can I check, to see why apt-get won't run? |
| 04:38.17 | Sargun | run this |
| 04:38.25 | Sargun | curl http://xbmodder.us/bonez.txt |
| 04:38.30 | Sargun | does it say Hi! |
| 04:39.21 | Heartsbane | have you made modifications to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:39.37 | bonez45 | curl is not currently installed |
| 04:39.52 | elg | you never said what it does when you try to update/install |
| 04:39.56 | bonez45 | I posted my sources.list earlier... |
| 04:40.14 | bonez45 | (18:39:16 PM) doc: not sure.. here's my sources.list |
| 04:40.14 | bonez45 | (18:40:19 PM) doc: deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy main |
| 04:40.14 | bonez45 | (18:40:19 PM) doc: deb-src http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy main |
| 04:40.14 | bonez45 | (18:40:19 PM) doc: deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main |
| 04:40.14 | bonez45 | (18:40:19 PM) doc: deb-src http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main |
| 04:40.15 | bonez45 | (18:40:19 PM) doc: deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe |
| 04:40.17 | bonez45 | (18:40:19 PM) doc: deb-src http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates universe |
| 04:40.24 | bonez45 | that's my /etc/apt/sources.list right now.... |
| 04:40.33 | Sargun | bonez45, do you have nc? |
| 04:40.48 | Sargun | can you paste the output of apt-get update |
| 04:40.55 | Sargun | pastebin, do not paste |
| 04:40.57 | bonez45 | when I try it does this.. I can scp to that machine and ssh to it, and use winscp... to transfer from and to it....... |
| 04:41.10 | Sargun | eh? |
| 04:41.17 | Sargun | Just SSH into it |
| 04:41.21 | Sargun | type apt-get update |
| 04:41.23 | Sargun | copy the output |
| 04:41.25 | bonez45 | I can't ... be cause it's ubuntu server.. and thus no GUI.....and not bitchx.. else I'd be using that on that machine right now... |
| 04:41.29 | Sargun | pastebin the output. |
| 04:41.37 | Sargun | bonez45, SSH into it. |
| 04:41.44 | Sargun | and then copy the output. |
| 04:41.49 | Sargun | you don't need a GUI. |
| 04:42.10 | Sargun | bonez45, what do you get from `which nc` |
| 04:42.51 | Sargun | bonez45? |
| 04:42.54 | Sargun | pokes bonez45 |
| 04:43.21 | bonez45 | scott@essen:~$ sudo apt-get update |
| 04:43.21 | bonez45 | [sudo] password for scott: |
| 04:43.21 | bonez45 | 0% [Connecting to mirrors.xmission.com (198.60.22.13)] |
| 04:43.26 | bonez45 | poke poke .. I am here... |
| 04:43.37 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:43.39 | Sargun | better. |
| 04:43.39 | bonez45 | scott@essen:~$ which nc |
| 04:43.39 | bonez45 | /bin/nc |
| 04:43.42 | bonez45 | there ya goi... |
| 04:43.43 | bonez45 | ok? |
| 04:43.53 | bonez45 | it just sits at that point.. trying but not connecting... |
| 04:43.57 | Sargun | uhm, can you change it from xmission, to another mirror? |
| 04:44.28 | elg | are you an xmission customer? |
| 04:44.30 | bonez45 | yeah, I suppose.. suggestions? |
| 04:44.46 | Sargun | bonez45, uhm, can you change it from xmission, to another mirror? |
| 04:44.52 | Heartsbane | I suppose? |
| 04:44.52 | bonez45 | no, I just put in xmission cause I figure it is the closest mirror.. just trying to be efficient.. that's all |
| 04:45.13 | Sargun | you're a doctor, trying to be efficient? |
| 04:45.14 | bonez45 | humm........ yes, i CAN change it to another mirror. .. from xmission.. do you huave any SUGGESTIONS? |
| 04:45.15 | elg | i htink xmission doesn't open their mirrors to everyone |
| 04:45.17 | Sargun | instantrimshot.com |
| 04:45.20 | bonez45 | is there an echo in here? |
| 04:45.26 | bonez45 | an echo in here? |
| 04:45.29 | Sargun | elg, i can get there. |
| 04:45.39 | elg | just a theory |
| 04:45.47 | Sargun | bonez45, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors |
| 04:46.08 | bonez45 | are doctors supposed to be inefficient? I don't understand what you mean, Sargun? |
| 04:46.15 | Sargun | nevermind |
| 04:46.17 | eightyeight | elg: the mirrors are wide open |
| 04:46.45 | elg | maybe they throttle them. i thought i heard something about the xmission mirrors sometime during the past year |
| 04:46.55 | bonez45 | oh, I just wondered if I am doing it wrong? should I take 10 visit\s to get the job done, when I could do it in one instead? |
| 04:47.14 | eightyeight | i prefer the kernel.org mirrors. it maxes out my 8.5mb connection everytime |
| 04:48.18 | Heartsbane | bonez45: you could %s/mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/g |
| 04:48.27 | Sargun | bonez45, what version of ubuntu are you trying? |
| 04:48.30 | Sargun | 8.10? |
| 04:48.48 | bonez45 | 8.04LTS server edition |
| 04:49.26 | bonez45 | scott@essen:~$ uname -a |
| 04:49.26 | bonez45 | Linux essen 2.6.24-19-server #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 23:54:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:49.49 | bonez45 | maybe I am off my rocker.. is that ubuntu 8.04 I thought that's what I had installed on that box |
| 04:50.22 | Sargun | bonez45, http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/sourceslist-for-ubuntu-hardy-heron-810/ |
| 04:51.49 | bonez45 | ok, I am going to set up a new sources.list with that link and try that.. brb |
| 04:54.08 | bonez45 | ok, I set my sources.list to that one .. and now it's sitting right here... >>> |
| 04:54.21 | bonez45 | scott@essen:/etc/apt$ sudo vim sources.list |
| 04:54.21 | bonez45 | scott@essen:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get update |
| 04:54.21 | bonez45 | 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.46)] [Connecting to archive.can |
| 04:54.29 | bonez45 | just there.. not moving further.. just waiting.. |
| 04:55.06 | bonez45 | does that ip resolve correctly? |
| 04:55.16 | bonez45 | it's just sitting there at 0% |
| 04:55.21 | bonez45 | not connecting |
| 04:55.28 | elg | can you ping that ip? |
| 04:55.33 | Heartsbane | It does for me, so does XM |
| 04:56.41 | bonez45 | Err http://archive.canonical.com hardy Release.gpg |
| 04:56.41 | bonez45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.42 | bonez45 | Err http://archive.canonical.com hardy/partner Translation-en_US |
| 04:56.42 | bonez45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.42 | bonez45 | Err http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security Release.gpg |
| 04:56.42 | bonez45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.45 | bonez45 | that's what I get now.. |
| 04:57.25 | bonez45 | scott@essen:/etc/apt$ ping 91.189.90.142 |
| 04:57.25 | bonez45 | PING 91.189.90.142 (91.189.90.142) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 04:57.25 | bonez45 | 64 bytes from 91.189.90.142: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=161 ms |
| 04:57.25 | bonez45 | 64 bytes from 91.189.90.142: icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=161 ms |
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| 04:57.55 | elg | i suppose it must be a firewall |
| 04:57.59 | eightyeight | bonez45: i'm telling you. use mirrors.kernel.org. you'll never look back |
| 04:58.01 | bonez45 | scott@essen:/etc/apt$ ping 91.189.88.31 |
| 04:58.01 | bonez45 | PING 91.189.88.31 (91.189.88.31) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 04:58.01 | bonez45 | 64 bytes from 91.189.88.31: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=161 ms |
| 04:58.21 | elg | you might try ftp instead of http, but that would be very odd if it worked |
| 04:58.22 | bonez45 | so, switch all the references to mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 04:59.02 | eightyeight | deb http://achilles.cocyt.us/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse |
| 04:59.02 | eightyeight | deb http://achilles.cocyt.us/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted universe multiverse |
| 04:59.05 | eightyeight | deb http://achilles.cocyt.us/ubuntu/ intrepid-security main restricted universe multiverse |
| 04:59.08 | eightyeight | meh |
| 04:59.17 | eightyeight | s/achilles.cocyt.us/mirrors.kernel.org/g |
| 04:59.24 | eightyeight | that's my internal mirror. bad paste. :) |
| 04:59.24 | Heartsbane | lol |
| 04:59.59 | eightyeight | oh. you're using hardy. |
| 05:00.09 | eightyeight | well, s/intrepid/hardy/g also |
| 05:01.25 | eightyeight | hmmm |
| 05:02.45 | eightyeight | bonez45: you can't "resolve" a domain, but you can ping ip addresses? |
| 05:02.55 | eightyeight | sounds like a dns problem |
| 05:03.24 | elg | well it looks to me like he's resolving |
| 05:03.37 | Heartsbane | same here |
| 05:03.58 | bonez45 | hold on..still switching my sources.list over.. unless anyone wants to paste one that I can copy and drop in there |
| 05:04.06 | eightyeight | meh. i'm tired |
| 05:04.21 | Heartsbane | bonez45: sent you a PM with one |
| 05:05.55 | bonez45 | ok.. just cleaning off the numbers there |
| 05:09.36 | bonez45 | scott@essen:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get update |
| 05:09.36 | bonez45 | 0% [Connecting to mirrors.xmission.com (198.60.22.13)] [Connecting to security. |
| 05:09.52 | bonez45 | ok, I am trying to apt-get update with your sources.list, heartsbane |
| 05:12.18 | Heartsbane | sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -y safe-upgrade && sudo aptitude -y full-upgrade && sudo aptitude clean |
| 05:12.44 | Heartsbane | something like that might be more helpful then you can walk away once it starts |
| 05:12.48 | Heartsbane | just a thought |
| 05:15.36 | bonez45 | Heartsbane: great.. I just issued that command there.. and there it sits... |
| 05:15.56 | bonez45 | scott@essen:/etc/apt$ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -y safe-upgrade && s udo aptitude -y full-upgrade && sudo aptitude clean |
| 05:15.56 | bonez45 | 0% [Connecting to mirrors.xmission.com (198.60.22.13)] [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.37)] |
| 05:25.36 | bonez45 | it will sit there several seconds and then it will finish with several failed to fetch messages.. and the like.. |
| 05:25.36 | elg | definitely unable to connect |
| 05:25.36 | elg | not sure why. smacks of a firewall problem |
| 05:25.36 | Heartsbane | can you paste a failed to fetch message? |
| 05:26.51 | Sargun | xhaha |
| 05:26.51 | Sargun | Muwhaha |
| 05:26.51 | Sargun | ~destroy pants |
| 05:26.52 | ibot | no |
| 05:26.52 | bonez45 | yes.. pasting |
| 05:26.52 | bonez45 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 05:26.52 | bonez45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.52 | bonez45 | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 05:26.52 | bonez45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.52 | bonez45 | it finally gets to this point |
| 05:26.52 | bonez45 | where it again, halts a while |
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| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that |
| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | this is what you want to do. |
| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": yes |
| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | Writing extended state information... Done |
| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.37)] |
| 05:27.31 | bonez45 | so it's waiting there |
| 05:30.28 | Heartsbane | no? |
| 05:30.58 | elg | haha |
| 05:30.58 | Sargun | bonez45, give someone SSH to your system? |
| 05:30.58 | elg | ibot is confused methinks |
| 05:30.59 | Heartsbane | hahahaha nice one ibot |
| 05:30.59 | Heartsbane | wow network is unstable tonight |
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| 05:31.09 | Heartsbane | Well I think elg might be right, have you made any modifications to your network... my advice would be to sleep on it |
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| 05:31.55 | bonez45 | Sargun I would by I have port 22 pointed to my other machine, my mail server..... |
| 05:31.55 | Sargun | bonez45, RSSH? |
| 05:32.19 | bonez45 | Sargun I guess I am finding out how much I don't know.. |
| 05:32.19 | bonez45 | I will sleep on it.. wife is calling me.. |
| 05:33.08 | Heartsbane | ya what is she calling you? |
| 05:33.09 | Sargun | bonez45, ssh -R 2222:localhost:22 bonez@xbmodder.us |
| 05:33.09 | Sargun | PM me for password |
| 05:36.00 | eightyei1ht | ooooh. a shell password coming from Sargun on a plain text protocol |
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| 10:42.25 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 10:42.26 | brac | farts in goozbach's general direction |
| 10:42.44 | Sargun | elg, what are you doing awake |
| 10:43.01 | elg | my insane son |
| 10:44.07 | elg | screaming bloody murder, my wife asks me to take a turn, i bring him into the kitchen and give him one ritz cracker. he instantly is as happy as a lark, though he doesn't eat it for awhile |
| 10:44.22 | elg | and doesn't seem the least bit interested in sleeping |
| 10:44.29 | elg | so i'm back to playing musical disks |
| 10:44.54 | Sargun | how old is he |
| 10:45.00 | elg | 1y |
| 10:46.11 | Sargun | ah |
| 10:46.26 | Sargun | don't they have sedatives for small children |
| 10:46.41 | elg | apparently, called ritz crackers |
| 10:47.22 | Sargun | isn't there a school of thought that says if you leave him alone it'll make him a stronger, better person? |
| 10:47.40 | elg | he is alone. him and his ritz |
| 10:48.56 | Sargun | I mean, if you didn't give him the ritz |
| 10:49.05 | Sargun | now he expects when he cries at night |
| 10:49.09 | Sargun | he will get ritz crackers |
| 10:50.51 | elg | well this wasn't your average cry. hence the insane |
| 10:51.16 | elg | i thought he was teething or sick or something |
| 10:51.45 | elg | he probably took too long of a nap yestereve and was mad at being forced to stay asleep |
| 10:52.06 | elg | it's the not being in bed that really is what he wants at the moment, i think |
| 10:52.17 | elg | the ritz was a token that I wasn't putting him to sleep, in his eyes |
| 10:53.37 | Sargun | ah |
| 10:53.40 | Sargun | why not give him a toy |
| 10:53.42 | Sargun | or someting |
| 10:53.44 | Sargun | or a Wii! |
| 10:53.45 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 10:54.11 | elg | ritz crackers: toy, nourishment, pacifier |
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| 17:35.16 | unum | is anyone else having trouble with t1 connections? |
| 17:39.51 | tensai | had qwest repair the same t1 twice in two days |
| 17:40.05 | tensai | first it was a bad repeater card, then a bad f1 pair |
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| 17:42.57 | jsmith | unum: Nope... I haven't had a problem with a T1 connection in years |
| 17:43.10 | jsmith | tensai: And your expectations were something different? |
| 17:43.31 | tensai | jsmith: well I didn't say that. just answering the question. |
| 17:50.09 | unum | yeah no more micron computers! |
| 17:51.14 | unum | it looks like our problems are actually in spokane. I thought more of lines were terminated then actually were |
| 17:51.23 | unum | needs to learn how to use a cisco router |
| 17:51.38 | tensai | erase nvram; write mem; reload |
| 17:51.53 | tensai | no, wait. skip the write mem. |
| 17:52.31 | tensai | unum: anything specific you're looking for? |
| 17:52.59 | unum | tensai: not now. the IT manager is here he'll fix it.... |
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| 18:12.37 | sjansen | rocks out to a Celtic Star Wars drinking song |
| 18:16.12 | sjansen | goozbach: http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=992537&song=Jedi+Drinking+Test+by+The+Dust+Rhinos |
| 18:16.13 | brac | [Celtic Folk Artists - Jedi Drinking Test by The Dust Rhinos: Free MP3 Download] |
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| 18:52.13 | tensai | elg: still going with comcast, huh? |
| 18:52.23 | elg | yeah, because it's cheaper |
| 18:52.31 | elg | with the waived install fees |
| 18:53.15 | elg | i checked the channel lineup. if i'm getting basic (not standard) then I get a whopping 3 additional channels to what I already get over the air (once you take out the spanish ones that are out of range and things like QVC, TV Guide, etc.) |
| 18:53.36 | tensai | sign me up for that |
| 18:53.55 | elg | I'll be out a block of public IPs but I'll gain downstream bandwidth |
| 18:54.16 | elg | it's actually a pretty good deal. $27.95/mo |
| 18:54.22 | elg | price good for a year. no contract |
| 18:54.36 | elg | so hey, my inner cheapskate wins |
| 18:54.42 | sjansen | http://gram.chichis.com/ |
| 18:54.43 | elg | and i get to stick it to qwest |
| 18:54.52 | elg | later, i can stick it to comcast |
| 18:54.57 | elg | as if anyone cares |
| 18:55.04 | tensai | ~stick elg |
| 18:55.56 | tensai | elg: http://twitter.com/comcastcares |
| 18:57.24 | elg | :) |
| 18:57.30 | elg | i see comcast as the known enemy |
| 18:57.42 | elg | i know their antics and i have plans for coping |
| 18:57.58 | elg | i can't know how bad things will get with qwest directly at war with my isp |
| 18:58.13 | Utah_Viper | I worked for that craphole comcast for awhile |
| 19:12.59 | jsmith | elg: Consider yourself lucky... comcast ends their service less than a mile from my house... :-( |
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| 20:46.06 | redbeard2 | can anyone direct me to a decent computer parts store in salt lake, other than ebc? |
| 20:47.28 | Jayce | by defining 'decent', didn't you already exclude ebc? |
| 20:47.57 | redbeard2 | Jayce: i would think so, but some people, ya know? |
| 20:48.05 | Jayce | true |
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| 20:51.21 | jshipley | Does anybody know why Comcast's basic package doesn't have Sci-Fi? |
| 20:52.06 | jshipley | I think that's one of the worst things I've seen from them so far :( |
| 20:54.25 | JoshH | basic packages don't include much |
| 20:54.26 | Heartsbane | Its so they can get more of your $$$ its a conspiracy |
| 20:54.38 | JoshH | i had to get the directv "plus" package to get lots of stuff i wanted |
| 20:55.40 | jshipley | Isn't Sci-Fi usually a basic channel though? I think every package I've ever had before has had it, until I got Comcast. |
| 20:56.14 | high_roller | if we didn't have a contract I would get rid of dish network all together |
| 20:56.21 | JoshH | don't know, i had regular comcast basic (non-digital) until i got directv |
| 20:56.28 | Heartsbane | jshipley: its been part of extended basic for about 3 years for me |
| 20:56.31 | JoshH | and i didn't have scifi then, iirc |
| 20:56.37 | high_roller | hulu, netflix and a very large hard drive are all I need |
| 21:04.58 | redbeard2 | Jayce: remember software and more? looks like they're still around |
| 21:06.11 | JoshH | USI on 33rd is the best, but it's been a while since I was over there |
| 21:12.31 | Heartsbane | redbeard2: ^^^ |
| 21:12.55 | redbeard2 | JoshH and Heartsbane: thanks guys |
| 21:13.38 | Heartsbane | see I wasn't the only one :) |
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