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| 00:25.38 | bbeattie | Here's a think for you perl guru's.. A ctime(stat($file)->mtime); is bouncing back and forth 1 second on about 30 of 2000 files. The files are mounted via smb mount. stat always (so far) has reported one time, a test script monitoring two of the files also reports one time. The test script has the same ctime(stat... call and still reports the same time, even if both programs are run over and over and alternative which one is run each time. ;) |
| 00:26.40 | bbeattie | the program having problems will report the same mtime for a few minutes to 60 minutes, then change to the other time off one second, and back again after a while.. |
| 00:40.27 | herlo | bbeattie: that sounds like a network issue |
| 00:40.35 | bbeattie | really? |
| 00:40.43 | herlo | bbeattie: the question I have is 'what are you trying to solve'? |
| 00:40.55 | herlo | I assume you want the same mtime? |
| 00:40.58 | bbeattie | causing perl's mtime to bounce like that? even though the test script with the same call never has it? |
| 00:41.28 | herlo | rereads to be sure he understands the problem |
| 00:41.30 | bbeattie | right, I'm checking mtimes, storeing it and comparing (same func does this ever few minutes) and sometimes the mtime comes back off a second |
| 00:42.30 | bbeattie | I've noticed that when one file changes, often the other files having problems change too, and they all +1 or -1 back to the "original" value together, but not always either (in the same run they always move the same direction though) |
| 00:43.31 | herlo | have you tried it over nfs? I'm wondering if it's a problem with the implementation of smb. What filesystems are the two machines using? |
| 00:44.41 | herlo | I can't imagine the perl script is the problem, but I'm no perl expert either... |
| 00:44.44 | bbeattie | one is a buffalo nas, so I'm not sure what it's using, it's linux though. I'm using cifs btw, .. sorry about that. smb is crap. :) |
| 00:45.00 | herlo | cifs is what I meant |
| 00:45.20 | herlo | but that's a network filesystem, I was interested in the fs's on each end of the network |
| 00:45.21 | bbeattie | it's only 25 of about 2000 files on the nas that are doing this, and it's every few minutes usually that they switch |
| 00:46.06 | herlo | the switching only happens on the destination right? |
| 00:46.47 | bbeattie | the switching only shows up in my main program, not stat, or a test program I wrote to monitor two of the files that switch the most. |
| 00:47.47 | herlo | right |
| 00:48.13 | herlo | okay, so yeah, then i would say that is strange |
| 00:48.20 | herlo | and probably related ot perl |
| 00:48.27 | herlo | not the network fs's |
| 00:48.40 | herlo | s/k f/k or f/ |
| 00:50.12 | bbeattie | Not a single report I can find in google either on someone else facing it, just pretty strange, and I'm trying to dig into what is going on. ;) |
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| 01:31.36 | sjansen | Does Windows only report times in second increments? Maybe it's a rounding issue. |
| 01:39.01 | levi | Hmm, 16 earthquakes in the Yellowstone caldera in the past 24 hours. |
| 01:39.06 | levi | We're all gonna die. |
| 01:39.14 | zzzirk | wow, really? |
| 01:40.01 | Tene | YAY DEATH |
| 01:42.09 | Tene | They get about 1k - 3k annually, according to http://www.yellowstone.net/earthquakes.htm |
| 01:42.10 | brac | [Yellowstone National Park Earthquakes.] |
| 01:42.12 | sjansen | boo :-( |
| 01:42.16 | levi | Really for the earthquakes. As to whether we're all gonna die from a supervolcano eruption... well, who knows? |
| 01:42.22 | sjansen | I'm not ready to die. I haven't finished my pie yet. |
| 01:42.31 | Tene | better eat fast |
| 01:42.43 | levi | I still have about half of my chocolate orange left. |
| 01:43.07 | Tene | mix it with sjansen's pie! |
| 01:43.23 | sjansen | ~slap Tene |
| 01:43.24 | ibot | ACTION slaps Tene, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 01:43.56 | sjansen | The only additive I'm willing to accept in my chocolate is mint, and then only rarely. |
| 01:46.02 | levi | Curry powder is actually pretty good. |
| 01:46.11 | levi | As is ginger and raspberry. |
| 01:49.35 | sjansen | ~slap levi |
| 01:49.36 | ibot | ACTION slaps levi, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 01:49.48 | sjansen | You're not just wrong, levi, you're dangerous. |
| 02:03.07 | tensai | sjansen: what, no sugar? |
| 02:03.21 | tensai | that's gotta be some nasty chocolate then |
| 02:04.12 | sjansen | Ever had a Lindt 99% cocoa chocolate bar? It's a completely different chocolate experience. |
| 02:04.33 | sjansen | s/It's/Its/ # Just for you, tensai |
| 02:11.30 | elg | sjansen: no chile? |
| 02:11.40 | sjansen | no chile |
| 02:11.48 | sjansen | no ginger |
| 02:11.51 | sjansen | no nuts |
| 02:11.56 | sjansen | no pop rocks |
| 02:12.01 | elg | i wouldn't call nuts an additive really |
| 02:12.05 | sjansen | no cocoa nibs |
| 02:12.13 | elg | that's like calling pebbles an additive to a glass of water |
| 02:12.45 | bbeattie | where's the info about the yellowstone earthquakes? magnitude, locations, etc? |
| 02:13.34 | elg | http://www.seis.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html |
| 02:13.35 | brac | [Recent Earthquakes for Yellowstone] |
| 02:13.55 | elg | no doom predictions, but it has those boring facts you asked for |
| 02:16.51 | levi | sjansen: I think the darkest Lindt bar I had was 80% or so. I like chocolate, but the super-dark Lindt bars are not my favorite. |
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| 04:28.47 | maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 04:28.47 | ibot | stamps sjansen on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 04:29.30 | sjansen | revokes maquis's chocolate privileges |
| 04:30.28 | maquis | sjansen: sup? |
| 04:33.47 | sjansen | Not me for much longer. It's bed time in Texas. |
| 04:53.01 | Supaplex | sup maquis |
| 05:59.59 | levi | Finally watched Prince Caspian tonight. |
| 06:00.12 | levi | It's a shame Voyage of the Dawn Treader has run into trouble. |
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| 08:29.37 | Supaplex | no! no! anything but that! nooo! |
| 08:29.41 | Supaplex | falls asleep again |
| 08:52.23 | tensai | puts Supaplex' hand in warm water |
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| 15:15.17 | eightyeight | not again - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-December/msg02089.html |
| 15:16.12 | eightyeight | and debian is full of hot heads? heh |
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| 15:28.49 | maquis | mmm... peanut butter fudge |
| 15:29.24 | maquis | ooh... looks like i made redbeard2 jealous! |
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| 15:41.18 | maquis | yawns |
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| 16:02.51 | bonez39 | I am trying to d/l some things on my ubuntu machine.. and the repository that was originally set up, us.archive.ubuntu.com is not accessible.. does xmission have an ubuntu mirror? |
| 16:04.16 | tuple | probably |
| 16:04.20 | tuple | check mirrors.ubuntu.com |
| 16:04.26 | tuple | er, mirrors.xmission.com |
| 16:04.58 | elg | this university is locked down tight today |
| 16:05.10 | elg | the libraries are closed all week, my building was hermetically sealed |
| 16:05.20 | elg | luckily the engineers propped their door open with a stone |
| 16:10.09 | bonez39 | elg: any other suggestions, on what I can put in my sources.list so that I can get the files I need? |
| 16:11.38 | bonez39 | I added several lines for mirrors.xmission.com but now, if I run apt-get instal k3b I get nothing, whereas with the us.archive.ubuntu.com listing it said what packages were available |
| 16:11.54 | elg | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.xmission.com-archive |
| 16:13.15 | bonez39 | hmm ok |
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| 16:14.41 | elg | that tells you the sources.list entries |
| 16:20.48 | bonez39 | I try those sources.list entries and they do not work... |
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| 16:29.23 | bonez39 | elg: any other suggestions? If I remove deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main from my sources.list it fails to load anything.... or if I comment that line out... |
| 16:29.59 | elg | did you add the line |
| 16:30.00 | elg | deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ YOUR_DISTRO_SERIES_HERE main |
| 16:30.18 | elg | e.g. |
| 16:30.19 | elg | deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main |
| 16:30.20 | bonez39 | yes, I added that line.. with 'hardy' |
| 16:30.24 | elg | and apt-get update |
| 16:30.25 | bonez39 | yeah, i added that.. |
| 16:30.59 | elg | then it should work. |
| 16:31.30 | bonez39 | I tell it to update and it just sits there, as if it can't connect.. |
| 16:33.44 | bonez39 | when it attempts to update it shows connecting to 192.60.x.x .. it's on my other box.. |
| 16:33.52 | bonez39 | er.. 198.60.x.x.. |
| 16:34.06 | bonez39 | maybe I am not even connecting out.. how can I check that? |
| 16:34.19 | bonez39 | I ping xmission.com and it gives a different IP.. |
| 16:36.07 | bonez39 | ok, when I run sudo apt-get update .. it gives the same IP, as when I ping mirrors.xmission.com |
| 16:36.15 | bonez39 | so it must be the correct IP.. |
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| 16:38.35 | elg | does it hang? |
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| 16:41.38 | bonez39 | the system still runs, it just doesn't get a response from mirrors.xmission.com |
| 16:42.18 | bonez39 | I get timed out and other errors.. could not connect to mirrors.xmission.com |
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| 16:47.26 | bonez39 | I must be an idiot |
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| 17:02.06 | tedp | can it connect to other machines ok? |
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| 18:02.05 | levi | Good morning. |
| 18:39.38 | harleypig | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=135 |
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| 18:44.17 | harleypig | hmmm ... wonder if we could get one going here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/nyregion/thecity/28tink.html?_r=3 |
| 18:44.20 | brac | [Urban Studies - For Geeks, a Frat House and Lab, All in One - NYTimes.com] |
| 18:44.50 | harleypig | âPeople think hacker means a criminal,â said Devon Jones, a 33-year-old member of the collective who was slumped on a ratty couch drinking a beer. âWl, we want our word back.â |
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| 18:48.04 | harleypig | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473565,00.html |
| 18:48.51 | harleypig | WTF? They felt the need to add the disclaimer: "the bees used in the experiment were not harmed" |
| 18:49.11 | harleypig | Idiot PETA |
| 18:51.06 | zzzirk | mmmmm, tasty animals |
| 18:51.38 | Supaplex | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=3335 for the EFAIL |
| 19:10.08 | harleypig | http://qdb.us/292618 |
| 19:10.09 | brac | [QDB: Quote #292618] |
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| 20:42.16 | harleypig | http://zing.langworth.com/post/67353302/s-r-rocks |
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| 21:51.51 | elg | we call it a netsplit |
| 21:57.38 | levi | Ugh, not looking forward to my numerical analysis CS class. |
| 21:58.04 | elg | what kind of numerical analysis? |
| 21:58.34 | levi | http://www.ma.utexas.edu/CNA/NMC6/index.html |
| 21:58.36 | brac | [Numerical Mathematics and Computing, |
| 21:58.36 | brac | 6th Edition] |
| 21:59.16 | levi | The subject could be interesting, but given the professor, I'm betting it won't be. |
| 21:59.26 | elg | that sounds like a fun class |
| 21:59.29 | elg | but it could be ruined, sure |
| 21:59.48 | levi | Useful information, anyway. |
| 22:00.01 | levi | Unfortunately, a new edition of the textbook was just published. |
| 22:00.26 | levi | Maybe I'll get the international softcover version from eBay. |
| 22:01.15 | levi | I've got to finish that class and hopefully test out of Intro to Linux Sysadmin w/SUSE Linux and then I'll be set to graduate. |
| 22:03.55 | levi | Work no longer reimburses textbook expenses, either. :( |
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| 22:39.03 | elg | right around the corner then |
| 22:39.25 | elg | -chat my dog |
| 22:39.25 | brac | my dog ate your cat |
| 22:39.38 | elg | my dog bit your foot |
| 22:39.48 | elg | my dog kissed your gerbil |
| 22:40.20 | elg | my dog smells your dinner |
| 22:42.22 | jsmith | -chat my dog |
| 22:42.22 | brac | my dog bit your foot |
| 22:43.38 | Supaplex | my dog < /dev/null |
| 22:44.36 | elg | my dog << manteca |
| 22:48.33 | Supaplex | oh, btw, < as in less than, not direction. :) |
| 22:48.40 | Supaplex | s/dir/redir/ |
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| 23:02.08 | elg | -chat my dog |
| 23:02.08 | brac | my dog kissed your gerbil |
| 23:02.15 | elg | -chucknorris |
| 23:02.15 | brac | Chuck Norris once visited a sperm bank. The period that followed is commonly referred to as the Baby Boom [score=6.357] |
| 23:15.40 | Reilithion | What general advice can you guys offer for getting a new SATA HDD? Brands, features, numbers to look for? Pretend I know next to nothing. |
| 23:16.54 | elg | seagate has never done me wrong |
| 23:17.00 | elg | find the sweet spot |
| 23:17.07 | elg | price/gigabyte |
| 23:17.16 | elg | or don't, if you just gotta have that terabyte |
| 23:17.30 | Supaplex | depends on the use too. I tend to avoid the highest capacity drives in favor of longer term stability. |
| 23:17.57 | elg | latency, throughput, and cache can matter |
| 23:18.06 | elg | or they can be pointless for your target application |
| 23:18.37 | Reilithion | It's going to be used to host a copy of Windows XP, for the sole purpose of playing Fallout 3. |
| 23:19.03 | elg | then go for reliability |
| 23:19.13 | elg | and necessary capacity |
| 23:19.35 | elg | disk performance is not going to be a relevant factor in gaming |
| 23:19.46 | elg | except perhaps for initial load or load/save games |
| 23:20.10 | elg | (assuming a baseline of reasonable basic performance, which you'll have with any modern drive) |
| 23:20.22 | elg | of course, i have no idea what fallout 3 is all about |
| 23:20.49 | Reilithion | You like Seagate; what do you think of Western Digital? |
| 23:21.27 | elg | i don't. i just get seagate |
| 23:22.26 | elg | though i vaguely recall wd drives giving me grief long past, or maybe that was anohter brand. and maybe i've had wd drives that i inherited or got second-hand on the cheap that never gave me trouble |
| 23:22.34 | elg | you'd be wise to ignore anything i say about WD |
| 23:22.43 | Reilithion | lol, ok |
| 23:23.20 | elg | that's what i do |
| 23:23.22 | Reilithion | Is there a good central resource (besides Consumer Reports, which I will probably check later) to find reliability data for various drives? |
| 23:23.37 | elg | dunno |
| 23:23.44 | elg | newegg and amazon review may be an indicator |
| 23:24.13 | Supaplex | don't let the noob reviews throw you. :) |
| 23:24.30 | Supaplex | "This drive sucks, it's not pata!" well duh. hehheh |
| 23:24.38 | Reilithion | lol |
| 23:51.26 | *** join/#utah eggyknap_ (n=jtolley@c-67-171-126-25.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:57.03 | tensai | egg nog time. oh yeah! |
| 23:59.43 | Heartsbane | people still drink that stuff? |