| 00:02.31 | Heartsbane | Worst topic ever! |
| 00:04.20 | elg | we can't change it until someone tells me what that means |
| 00:10.11 | maquis | ? |
| 00:10.25 | maquis | i thought men liked having guns in their hands... |
| 00:10.46 | elg | from head over heels (tears for fears) |
| 00:10.57 | Heartsbane | refrains from comment. |
| 00:13.19 | elg | at least that section is grammatical. "my mother and my brothers used to breathing clean air and dreaming i'm a doctor" |
| 00:13.25 | elg | sounds like something brac would spout:) |
| 00:14.27 | elg | best explanation i found for that whole verse is hard to be your own person in the face of familial expectations |
| 00:15.01 | maquis | hmmm |
| 00:15.19 | maquis | that's a good message sometimes... |
| 00:15.27 | elg | "a man used to pass his gun along to his son, so when you're holding this gun your dad gave you it's hard to be your own person" |
| 00:15.33 | elg | sounds reasonable for the verse |
| 00:15.58 | elg | in the same way a picasso is a reasonable approximation of humans |
| 00:20.23 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | It's hard to be a hobbit when there's a ring in your hand |
| 00:26.08 | Heartsbane | Frodo did it! |
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| 01:05.56 | harleypig | I updated my system the beginning of this week and the wireless card stopped working. dmesg shows "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available or load failed" ... everything I can find on the web assumes it's a new install. I've already retried the steps I took to get it to work before. Any pointers? |
| 01:06.48 | harleypig | I've been told the latest kernels have support for bcm43xx in the kernel ... perhaps the original steps are actually causing the problem? |
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| 02:05.16 | tedp | some kernel version around 2.6.26 requires newer firmware |
| 02:06.11 | harleypig | that system has 2.6.24 (or 14) |
| 02:06.33 | tedp | does bcm43xx_microcode5.fw exist? |
| 02:07.29 | tedp | in /lib/firmware/2.6.xx/... |
| 02:08.07 | harleypig | dunno ... I'll have to hobble upstairs to check |
| 02:08.21 | harleypig | I'm confused as to why it would stop working after the update |
| 02:09.32 | tedp | double check the kernel version |
| 02:09.46 | tedp | maybe it was 2.6.24 that requires newer firmware |
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| 02:53.46 | levi_ipod | Good evening |
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| 03:30.46 | tensai | elg: fwiw, I tried out xfs and gave up. went with reiserfs3 instead |
| 03:30.57 | elg | did it give you trouble? |
| 03:32.17 | tensai | xfs? I can't recall exactly but it wasn't very nice to me |
| 03:32.40 | tensai | no problems so far with reiser |
| 03:32.45 | elg | i've never had trouble with it, and i've run it on a large handful of boxes |
| 03:32.53 | elg | the only problem that it won't shrink |
| 03:33.25 | elg | never tried reiser |
| 03:33.33 | tensai | that might have been part of it. I recall I created a bunch of lvm volumes to try them all out, but never really finished. |
| 03:35.01 | elg | yeah it can be annoying in the least to go through all the trouble of setting lvm just to find you can't shrink that big media partition and so you can't rearrange your lvm setup |
| 03:35.15 | elg | s/in the least/to say the least/ |
| 03:36.46 | elg | my sister needs some training on IM tech support |
| 03:38.14 | tensai | if I didn't know that before, it definitely would annoy me now |
| 03:38.31 | tensai | can ext4 resize online? |
| 03:38.48 | tensai | ext3 needed an unofficial kernel patch, iirc |
| 03:40.47 | elg | that's the million dollar question |
| 03:40.52 | elg | nobody seems to be able to answer it for me |
| 03:41.01 | tensai | the faq doesn't inspire confidence |
| 03:41.03 | elg | oh, well i don't much care if it resizes online |
| 03:41.11 | elg | so long as it resizes both up and down |
| 03:41.29 | elg | i think most online pages are out of date |
| 03:41.55 | elg | and the stable release and its inclusion in the kernel is new enough that nobody has reported anything substantial about it |
| 03:43.08 | tensai | has winfs made it into linus' kernel yet? |
| 03:44.04 | harleypig | tedp: that was it ... I booted up to a previous version and its connecting just fine now. ... weird |
| 03:44.32 | harleypig | the microcode doesn't exist in the /lib/firmware/version that was booting |
| 03:44.38 | elg | apparently there's this new fs on the horizon called btrfs |
| 03:45.01 | Tene | from oracle, mostly. |
| 03:45.03 | elg | supposed to be like zfs, reiser4, and other cool nextgen filesystems but more cooler and more linuxy |
| 03:45.33 | Tene | WAY more cooler. It's got a better name. |
| 03:45.43 | elg | what could be cooler than butterfs? |
| 03:45.45 | tensai | looks pretty neat |
| 03:45.45 | elg | maybe baconfs |
| 03:46.04 | Tene | nah, bacon is for eating. butter is for not eating. |
| 03:46.07 | Tene | and you don't eat filesystems. |
| 03:46.29 | tensai | should be out in the next few days, according to wikipedia. "scheduled to be released in late 2008" |
| 03:46.36 | elg | anyone here want to try a gizmo video call? you don't need a webcam or even a mic |
| 03:46.38 | elg | just speakers |
| 03:46.42 | Tene | a reiser, though? I'm not sure what a reiser is, but it sounds delicious. I wouldn't want to eat my filesystem by mistake. |
| 03:46.45 | elg | yeah i saw that. :) |
| 03:46.51 | Tene | does gizmo support webcam on linux now? |
| 03:46.55 | elg | dunno |
| 03:47.18 | elg | i'm trying to get some kind of video chat working with my parents' house |
| 03:47.22 | elg | and my sister is at the helm |
| 03:47.31 | Tene | sure |
| 03:47.37 | elg | i'm hans_fugal |
| 03:47.41 | Tene | lemme install it |
| 03:48.13 | elg | she had trouble installing gizmo the other day and so I asked her what the trouble was. "it wouldn't install." "what did it say?" "I don't know." |
| 03:48.15 | Tene | updates Nov 2007 |
| 03:48.19 | Tene | updated |
| 03:48.24 | tensai | they offer builds linked against libc5??? |
| 03:48.43 | Tene | i386 rpm... |
| 03:48.47 | elg | she got it installed but it's not accepting the video. it just sits there pondering |
| 03:49.06 | Tene | I'm running x86_64 |
| 03:49.45 | Tene | let's try it anyway... |
| 03:50.24 | tedp | harleypig: so you've got the firmware loading in 2.6.24 now? |
| 03:52.09 | Tene | looks like it worked |
| 03:52.16 | Tene | elg: call tenebrackets |
| 03:52.39 | elg | voicemail |
| 03:52.43 | Tene | huh. It's trying to crash, but it's hung |
| 03:53.14 | harleypig | tedp: no, I wasn't able to make it work, even with fw-cutter. |
| 03:53.22 | harleypig | and it was 2.6.22-16 |
| 03:53.27 | Tene | looks like it's missing a library or something... |
| 03:53.30 | harleypig | 2.6.22-15 is working now. |
| 03:53.51 | harleypig | so I'm gonna stop futzing with it ... the kids're happy. |
| 03:54.11 | Tene | MEDIA ERROR |
| 03:54.17 | elg | huh |
| 03:54.34 | elg | i'm going to install it on linux |
| 03:54.55 | elg | i don't know where my mic is and there's no camera, but i'll be able to hear you and we'll see if there's something funky about my installation here |
| 03:55.38 | Tene | no, it's failing pretty badly here |
| 03:55.50 | Tene | quite sure the problem is here |
| 03:56.22 | tensai | elg: I've got it running. nick is the same. |
| 03:56.43 | tensai | no mic, but yes |
| 03:57.08 | Tene | just set also to capture currently-playing audio |
| 03:57.19 | Tene | and then play some sound files. |
| 03:59.48 | tensai | Tene: good idea. but where did I put my new kids on the block... |
| 04:00.06 | Tene | put your what? |
| 04:00.11 | Tene | asks google |
| 04:00.19 | Tene | Ah. |
| 04:06.16 | tensai | elg: herzliebster jesu seems deceptively simple. is there something I'm missing? |
| 04:06.43 | elg | no, it's simple. the pedal part is only slightly tricky for a newbie, the hands are easy |
| 04:06.57 | elg | getting the nuance just right is not quite that simple, but it's still an easy song |
| 04:07.22 | tensai | describe this nuance you speak of |
| 04:07.42 | tensai | haven't played it on an organ yet. we'll see how much of a disaster that is. |
| 04:07.57 | elg | you see some of the marks i and my teacher made |
| 04:08.26 | elg | where to lift at just the right moment to articulate so that the melody comes through and ... |
| 04:08.31 | elg | standard musical stuff |
| 04:08.52 | elg | it's not hard, anyway. |
| 04:09.47 | elg | so you want to step it up a notch? |
| 04:10.51 | tensai | um, no |
| 04:11.15 | tensai | well, maybe. but not too much notch. |
| 04:11.29 | tensai | I'd like to keep some of my self asteem :) |
| 04:20.57 | elg | have you practiced with the feet? |
| 04:23.55 | elg | it's amazing how a simple two voices in the hands suddenly gets complicated when you add moving feet |
| 04:25.40 | tensai | no, I haven't. that's what I'm afraid of at the moment. |
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| 06:16.07 | elg | tensai: then i bet you'll find challenge enough with that. but if you want more just let me know |
| 06:33.08 | elg | whee |
| 06:34.02 | elg | just got a word perfect document attachment |
| 06:39.48 | zzzirk | somebody hate you? |
| 06:39.50 | zzzirk | ;) |
| 06:40.02 | Supaplex | ~rlart |
| 06:40.03 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if unum doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
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| 06:47.28 | levi_ipod | What's up this evening? |
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| 06:48.01 | RyanE | Watching the Nova Absolute Zero: The Race for Zero. Interesting. |
| 06:48.09 | levi_ipod | I just watched Iron Man for the first time. |
| 06:48.16 | RyanE | and clipping toenails. Not so interesting. |
| 06:48.23 | RyanE | levi_ipod: you like Iron Man? |
| 06:48.38 | bonez46 | help.. I am trying to run update-grub.. on my son's machine.. grub halts when booting, preventing either Windows xp pro OR ubuntu from running... I have booted up using a Knoppix disc.. |
| 06:48.42 | levi_ipod | Nova is usually pretty good. |
| 06:49.11 | RyanE | Yep, Dewar is just about to liquefy Hydrogen. |
| 06:49.34 | levi_ipod | Yeah, though it's crying out for a sequel |
| 06:49.38 | bonez46 | is iit possible to run update-grub from a knoppix disc, to repair the bootloader? |
| 06:50.40 | elg | zzzirk: nah, just old mormon people. ;-) |
| 06:50.51 | bonez46 | any ideas on my dilemma? |
| 06:50.57 | levi_ipod | It should be possible to repair the bootloader, but I can't walk you through it |
| 06:51.15 | RyanE | elg: you may have gotten something from my Dad, who still runs WP5.1 |
| 06:51.23 | elg | heh |
| 06:51.38 | bonez46 | levii why not? |
| 06:51.43 | elg | i was slightly surprised and sufficiently delighted that OOo opened it without incident |
| 06:51.50 | bonez46 | elg? ideas on repairing grub? |
| 06:51.59 | levi_ipod | I have fond memories of WP1.5 |
| 06:52.22 | RyanE | 1.5 or 5.1? |
| 06:52.35 | elg | bonez46: only this: wear sunscreen |
| 06:52.44 | levi_ipod | Because I don't remember the details |
| 06:52.46 | RyanE | My sister used 2.0 at BYU when she was there... |
| 06:53.09 | elg | try a chroot to the offending system, then make sure all the needed filesystems are mounted |
| 06:53.12 | elg | (especially /boot) |
| 06:53.26 | elg | and run update-grub again |
| 06:53.41 | elg | and now i sleep |
| 06:55.01 | levi_ipod | I ran it with dosemu under Linux when I was at BYU |
| 06:55.55 | levi_ipod | 'Twas the only way to get a real word processor at the time. :) |
| 06:56.40 | levi_ipod | Although I did play with TeX and Lout as well |
| 06:57.57 | levi_ipod | Anyone with an iPhone or iPod touch have any app recommendations? |
| 06:58.50 | RyanE | I'd recommend ControlUI's app, but it won't do you any good without a Control4 system installed in your house... :) |
| 06:59.11 | levi_ipod | Alas :) |
| 07:01.20 | levi_ipod | The only one I've had to pay for so far has been this IRC one |
| 07:03.32 | levi_ipod | Oh well, I should go to bed too |
| 07:03.47 | levi_ipod | G'night |
| 07:03.58 | RyanE | I should, too. We're cleaning the Church tomorrow. 'night. |
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| 15:10.52 | Claud-SLC | who? what? |
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| 17:15.31 | harleypig | Has anyone set up the wii for viewing videos over the network? |
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| 19:30.29 | mrpull-lt | harleypig: i haven't setup video for the wii, but i've used tversity with success for hosting/streaming/converting on the fly for xbox 360 and DirecTV's HR2x. |
| 19:31.19 | mrpull-lt | It is windows only, but a good option if you have a windows media server |
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| 19:40.29 | maquis | stupid bot |
| 19:42.08 | maquis | ok, can someone help me out with a quick /etc/fstab question? I seem to be incapable of getting this drive to automatically mount read/write... |
| 19:42.29 | maquis | here's the line in /etc/fstab: |
| 19:42.30 | maquis | /dev/sda1 /media ext3 rw,user 0 0 |
| 19:42.47 | tensai | ~onjoin -maquis |
| 19:42.48 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 19:42.59 | maquis | :) |
| 19:43.25 | tensai | maquis: add "auto" to the options |
| 19:43.37 | tensai | maybe. or remove "user" |
| 19:43.42 | maquis | tensai: is auto not the default? |
| 19:44.00 | tensai | not totally sure |
| 19:45.29 | tensai | I think auto and user are at odds with one another |
| 19:45.45 | maquis | hrm... ok |
| 19:46.10 | maquis | hey, is there a way to automatically remount everything in /etc/fstab without rebooting? (ie, find out what it would do automatically)? |
| 19:46.58 | tensai | mount -a would try to auto mount anything that isn't already mounted |
| 19:47.17 | maquis | cool |
| 19:47.18 | maquis | thx |
| 19:47.38 | maquis | sweet! that worked |
| 19:47.40 | maquis | thanks a ton |
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| 19:49.51 | maquis | trying to organize our main server a bit and actually use some of the drives we've got |
| 19:50.57 | elg | no, auto and user aren't talking about the same thing |
| 19:51.01 | elg | use just means the users can mount it |
| 19:51.19 | maquis | auto means it automatically mounts, right? |
| 19:52.20 | elg | yup |
| 19:52.27 | elg | and i think it is default |
| 19:52.56 | levi | Good afternoon. :) |
| 19:53.02 | maquis | hi, levi |
| 19:53.07 | maquis | how's it going? |
| 19:53.09 | levi | Hi, maquis. Wassup? |
| 19:53.15 | maquis | not much |
| 19:53.15 | levi | It's going pretty well here. |
| 19:53.24 | maquis | snow's finally melting for us |
| 19:53.26 | levi | Just feeding my daughter lunch. |
| 19:53.35 | levi | Our snow shows no signs of disappearing. |
| 19:53.36 | maquis | looks like we'll have church tomorrow :) |
| 19:53.54 | tensai | if the volume is auto mounted, it would be pretty tough for a user to mount, no? |
| 19:53.58 | levi | You PNWers get a little bit of snow and everything falls apart. ;) |
| 19:54.14 | maquis | levi: not "a little bit of snow" for around here |
| 19:54.25 | maquis | it's the most we've gotten in the 26 years my parents have been in the area |
| 19:55.03 | maquis | all the stores are sold out on snow chains with no idea when they'll get more (since the trucks to replenish the supply are stuck in the snow) |
| 19:55.20 | elg | we were supposed to maybe have a little skiff of snow this morning |
| 19:55.22 | maquis | bunch of guys at work were complaining about that fact |
| 19:55.25 | elg | at least have some in the mtns |
| 19:55.26 | elg | neither |
| 19:55.35 | maquis | elg: probably left over from what we got yesterday :) |
| 19:56.48 | levi | maquis: Yes, well, it may be a lot for the area, but it's not really a whole lot. :P |
| 19:57.18 | levi | I need to go shovel my driveway so we don't get stuck trying to get in/out of it again. |
| 19:58.12 | maquis | levi: we almost got stuck last week...' |
| 19:58.17 | maquis | with chains on the tires... |
| 19:58.33 | elg | how many inches maquis? |
| 19:59.01 | maquis | elg: we hit 10 inches at one time this week |
| 19:59.08 | elg | i bet where we lived in michigan gets at least however many inches you're talking about on almost a daily basis |
| 19:59.09 | maquis | and that's at about 150 ft elevation |
| 19:59.33 | elg | lake effect and all that |
| 19:59.40 | maquis | elg: sure... but last i checked, michigan was pretty flat |
| 20:00.12 | elg | not that flat |
| 20:00.18 | elg | not that it matters |
| 20:00.27 | elg | good snow driving isn't a matter of the flatness |
| 20:01.06 | maquis | :) |
| 20:01.17 | maquis | good snow driving means that people have experience driving in snow...] |
| 20:01.29 | maquis | usually, schools shut down around here with 3-4 inches |
| 20:01.55 | maquis | once we hit about 5 inches, my managers were emailing out telling everyone to work from home :) |
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| 22:09.22 | goozbach | yay! |
| 22:09.27 | goozbach | been offline since the 23rd |
| 22:11.29 | harleypig | mrpull-x: sorry ... I got involved in links crossbow training and didn't realize how much time had passed. :] |
| 22:12.00 | harleypig | I'll see what I can find out about tversity |
| 22:16.41 | harleypig | hmmm ... tversity's home page support section says the wii is supported ... so it's just software I can run on my desktop and connect to over the local network? |
| 22:19.59 | harleypig | crap ... it's a winblows program |
| 22:43.27 | levi | harleypig: Doesn't the Wii have wifi built in? |
| 23:10.03 | harleypig | nope |
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