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| 02:12.39 | tensai | elg: what program did you use to make your brick oven drawings? |
| 02:12.47 | elg | qcad |
| 02:13.53 | elg | it's reluctantly free software |
| 02:14.13 | elg | it was free, and still is but he'd like you to think it's not |
| 02:14.31 | elg | and there's a pro version |
| 02:14.37 | elg | but i'm not a pro draftsman anyway |
| 02:14.49 | elg | and if i were i'd probably use autocad or something hideously expensive like that anyway |
| 02:15.20 | elg | anyway, on linux it's usually just apt-get install so who cares. :) |
| 02:15.39 | tensai | I'm thinking about building some kind of outdoor playset for the kids |
| 02:16.04 | elg | it's a decent 2d cad program |
| 02:16.19 | elg | if you're drawing more than 10 lines, it's good to learn some key accelerators |
| 02:16.40 | elg | once you figure out some of the basic accelerators and the layout of the program you can do things amazingly fast |
| 02:17.09 | elg | i had some exposure to autocad (on our 8086 with 10mb hdd and who knows how little ram) |
| 02:17.39 | elg | so i don't know how much harder it will be for someone totally new to cad |
| 02:18.17 | elg | my mom went to school (didn't finish) for architecture i think. or drafting. or something. she designs houses, anyway |
| 02:18.44 | elg | she designed ours in santa fe, i helped sometimes doing autocad stuff. mostly the computer churned and churned for hours at a time rendering things :) |
| 02:19.46 | tensai | see ya later then |
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| 03:08.29 | levi | tensai: My parents bought us one of those playsets from Costco. Man, that was a lot of work to build. |
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| 04:50.39 | vontrapp | anyone use any of the various browser content pane splitting extensions? |
| 04:50.43 | vontrapp | firefox that is |
| 04:59.51 | vontrapp | they all seem far too involved |
| 05:00.32 | vontrapp | i just want a simple "split current webpage" vertically thing, kinda like with the new word where you can split the document by dragging that bottom bar |
| 05:04.10 | levi | My poor sick boy wants his mommy. |
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| 05:34.21 | Sargun | hello |
| 05:34.25 | Sargun | what's up all |
| 05:37.06 | tensai | eating cookie dough |
| 05:40.08 | Sargun | I hate people who want to develop their application from scratch in ASP.net and then complain about how expensive it is |
| 05:43.12 | Sargun | Does anyone know of any hosted shopping carts? |
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| 05:44.42 | elg | ah, yes |
| 05:44.59 | elg | friend: help me find the ip address to my wireless router |
| 05:45.00 | elg | .. |
| 05:45.06 | tensai | elg: I suck at qcad :( |
| 05:45.22 | elg | friend: what if i forgot the password? ok, i rmemebered |
| 05:45.35 | elg | friend: how do I find the mac address on a mac |
| 05:45.35 | elg | ... |
| 05:45.51 | elg | friend: hm, router won't take it. tried it without colons |
| 05:45.57 | elg | friend: stupid macs. i give up |
| 05:45.59 | elg | uh |
| 05:46.10 | elg | tensai: bummer :( |
| 05:46.16 | elg | there's always graph paper |
| 05:46.26 | tensai | that's the plan now |
| 05:47.00 | tensai | I've actually done quite a bit of vector graphics in the past. qcad is nothing like them. |
| 05:47.29 | elg | yeah, cad is its own way of doing things |
| 05:47.31 | elg | very efficient |
| 05:47.37 | maquis | woohoo! someone on #debian is helping me! |
| 05:47.43 | elg | the biggest thing is knowing what you can do |
| 05:51.21 | Sargun | tensai, CAD fail. |
| 05:51.35 | maquis | i'm hoping the answer isn't "reinstall" |
| 05:51.36 | tensai | Sargun: clever fail |
| 05:57.37 | elg | maquis: the answer is never reinstall with debian |
| 05:57.45 | elg | unless you took a light saber to /usr |
| 05:58.10 | maquis | elg: if you can fix my problem.... :) |
| 05:58.23 | maquis | http://paste.debian.net/24022/ |
| 05:59.09 | elg | tensai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3OhuJ6qLGk |
| 05:59.29 | maquis | elg: no matter what i try to do with apt or aptitude, it fails trying to do something with mercurial |
| 05:59.47 | elg | tensai: i haven't watched it, but i bet it will give you an idea anyway |
| 05:59.57 | elg | you'll have to be more specific than that |
| 06:00.29 | maquis | elg: the past shows the error when i try to update mercurial |
| 06:01.07 | maquis | the guy from #debian suggested reinstalling python-sepolgen, so here's what happened when i tried that: |
| 06:01.07 | Sargun | maquis, Can you give me SSH to your machine? |
| 06:01.07 | maquis | http://paste.debian.net/24026/ |
| 06:01.13 | maquis | Sargun: nope |
| 06:01.35 | Sargun | Alright |
| 06:02.22 | Sargun | maquis, can you remove mercurial? |
| 06:02.23 | maquis | it's my laptop, and it doesn't have anything from the outside pointing at it |
| 06:02.42 | maquis | Sargun: tried that before... it says it's broken badly, and it needs to be reinstalled before being removed |
| 06:02.54 | Sargun | even using dpkg? |
| 06:03.18 | Sargun | maquis, can you give me your SSH public key? |
| 06:03.34 | maquis | hmmm... i don't think i've tried it with dpkg |
| 06:03.42 | maquis | Sargun: ? |
| 06:03.52 | elg | always looking for more boxes to root |
| 06:03.56 | Sargun | maquis, So you can make a reverse ssh tunnel to my machine |
| 06:04.34 | maquis | Sargun: [amon-re tuxgirl] sudo dpkg -r mercurial mercurial-common 2 |
| 06:04.37 | maquis | dpkg: error processing mercurial (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 06:04.55 | maquis | Sargun: i prefer just repeating commands that are suggested |
| 06:05.00 | elg | maquis: try using dpkg to install the python fail packages |
| 06:05.38 | elg | failing that, try just forcing dpkg to remove mercurial |
| 06:05.40 | maquis | elg: you mean python-sepolgen? |
| 06:05.45 | elg | then reinstall python-sepolgen |
| 06:05.46 | elg | yes |
| 06:05.46 | Sargun | maquis, can you reinstall from .deb |
| 06:05.58 | elg | then swear a bit |
| 06:06.13 | elg | then wonder what happened to your python install |
| 06:06.16 | elg | then reinstall mercurial |
| 06:06.40 | maquis | elg: do you happen to know where-abouts apt usually sticks the files it downloads? |
| 06:06.43 | elg | apt complains about mercurial, but really what's happening is the postinstall script is failing |
| 06:07.02 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.05 | maquis | thx |
| 06:07.12 | elg | good luck. i have to go to bed |
| 06:07.18 | elg | if you're still lost in the morning i can help |
| 06:07.18 | maquis | thx |
| 06:07.47 | Sargun | haha |
| 06:08.07 | Sargun | maquis, did that work? |
| 06:08.27 | Sargun | How about this: Don't use mercurial, it sucks. |
| 06:08.34 | maquis | Sargun: i'm ot trying to use it |
| 06:08.39 | maquis | i want it off of there right now |
| 06:08.51 | fozzmoo | maquis: Don't listen to Sargun. :) |
| 06:09.00 | Sargun | Don't listen to nutcase. |
| 06:09.06 | fozzmoo | That's what I said. |
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| 06:14.26 | maquis | this box is *way* hozed |
| 06:14.46 | maquis | anyone here have /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/python-sepolgen/__init__.py on your box? |
| 06:15.09 | Sargun | no. |
| 06:15.17 | Sargun | maquis, Give me a try. |
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| 06:19.36 | Keighvin | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 06:19.36 | ibot | offers redbeard2 some herring |
| 06:24.16 | maquis | woohoo! |
| 06:24.18 | maquis | it works! |
| 06:24.23 | Sargun | maquis, what'd you do? |
| 06:25.19 | maquis | removed some files, then ran update-python-modules -c -i /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen |
| 06:28.27 | Sargun | Good job. |
| 06:33.59 | maquis | Sargun: i wish i understood it all :) |
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| 15:18.04 | eggyknap | Tene: ping |
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| 16:22.35 | elg | this is funny |
| 16:22.35 | elg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HE9OQ4FnkQ |
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| 16:30.15 | sjansen | Ouch. Owie. Owie. Owie. |
| 16:30.44 | sjansen | I'm listening to the Stack Overflow podcast. Joel and Jeff just totally slaughtered RAID. |
| 16:31.43 | RyanE | oh, they slaughter something every week. That's part of the charm, listening to them explain crap that they don't really know the meaning of. |
| 16:31.58 | RyanE | A couple of weeks ago, it was NP Complete problems. |
| 16:32.05 | sjansen | According to them: RAID 0 is mirroring. RAID 1 is striping. RAID 10 requires either a power of 4 disks (Joel) or 3 to 6 disks (Jeff). |
| 16:32.44 | RyanE | heh. Yeah, not quite right. I wonder how much of their audience have bruises on their foreheads from slapping them while listening. |
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| 16:33.03 | goozbach | ~a-ha |
| 16:33.28 | goozbach | ~a-ha is <reply> o/~ BAND MONTAGE!!!! o/~ |
| 16:33.29 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
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| 16:34.07 | eightyeight | raid 10 can work with 3 |
| 16:34.20 | eightyeight | although it's convoluted to explain |
| 16:35.21 | sjansen | On the up side, they suggested the perfect gift for your significant other: http://www.amazon.com/Eforcity-Digital-Video-Cable-GOLD-PLATED/dp/B000UHQVOW/ref=pd_sim_e_4 |
| 16:36.18 | Tene | eggyknap: pong |
| 16:36.55 | thaddeusq | sjansen: I buy my hdmi cables from http://www.monoprice.com |
| 16:36.58 | brac | [HDMI Cable, Home Theater Accessories, HDMI Products, Cables, Adapters, Video/Audio Switch, Networking, USB, Firewire, Printer Toner, and more!] |
| 16:37.02 | eggyknap | Tene: I gather you're involved in Parrot? |
| 16:37.07 | Tene | eggyknap: yes |
| 16:37.16 | eggyknap | Mind if I /msg? |
| 16:37.32 | Tene | Go ahead. |
| 16:41.54 | fozzmoo | sings the Parrot song |
| 16:44.30 | eggyknap | wants a cracker |
| 16:48.58 | sjansen | Ack! I'm being productive! Quick, somebody do something distracting! |
| 16:50.19 | elg | ~dance |
| 16:50.20 | ibot | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 16:50.45 | elg | i whipped up a utah valley map for wesnoth the other day |
| 16:51.04 | elg | sorry, fresh out of compelling distractions |
| 16:51.21 | goozbach | goes to play rockband on the office Wii |
| 16:53.27 | thaddeusq | ~distract sjansen |
| 16:53.27 | ibot | ACTION flounces her blonde hair and saunters past sjansen with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 16:53.45 | sjansen | Ack! |
| 16:54.04 | thaddeusq | sjansen: It could have been worse, it could have been harleypig |
| 16:54.14 | sjansen | ibot: Sorry, I can't. I'm uhm... err... busy! I'm busy! I don't have timem right now. |
| 16:55.02 | fozzmoo | didn't know ibot was blonde. |
| 16:57.07 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:57.08 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 16:57.17 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. I love today's xkcd |
| 16:57.18 | Tene | ~haircolor |
| 16:57.19 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:57.20 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 16:57.34 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:57.35 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 16:57.54 | sjansen | ibot: That's not a gender. |
| 16:57.56 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:57.57 | ibot | I'm male |
| 16:58.21 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:58.21 | ibot | I'm female |
| 16:58.58 | Tene | ibot: literal gender |
| 16:58.59 | ibot | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 16:59.24 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 16:59.37 | fozzmoo | Maybe that shoudl be "<reply> I'm confused." |
| 17:01.11 | unum | wow this is so weird. congressional commission chairs granting /. interviews and asking for follow ups. |
| 17:01.30 | unum | what has the world come to. the representative are trying to LISTEN to the people!!!! |
| 17:02.05 | unum | don't worry utah legislators still know not to listen to anything we say. and that we are a bunch of idiots. but the federal ones have gone crazy |
| 17:02.15 | sjansen | unum: Don't believe it. It's really bored congressional aids run amuck. |
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| 17:02.21 | unum | sjansen: could be. |
| 17:02.35 | unum | actually the democratics in utah listen to me, but don't worry they can't do anything |
| 17:02.40 | fozzmoo | unum: I hope it's true |
| 17:03.22 | JoshH | i still can't believe buttars got reelected |
| 17:03.27 | thaddeusq | unum: I hate it when the democrats listen to me. (they never do though) |
| 17:03.30 | fozzmoo | unum: If you hide the "I WANT TO MARRY MY BOYFRIEND" sign, most of the GOP state legislators will take you seriously. |
| 17:04.05 | unum | fozzmoo: I asked them to consider making odf a standard. Dougal told me I didn't know what i was talking |
| 17:04.07 | unum | about |
| 17:04.19 | thaddeusq | JoshH: it sounds to me like Buttars is a pretty good representation of at least a majority of his district. |
| 17:04.23 | unum | I think Clark did give me more of chance though |
| 17:04.25 | JoshH | oh he is |
| 17:04.38 | unum | Loraine Pace listen to me, but they got rid of her |
| 17:04.39 | JoshH | which is why his district is a crazy place |
| 17:04.46 | fozzmoo | lives in Buttars' district |
| 17:04.51 | fozzmoo | is proof. |
| 17:04.53 | unum | thaddeusq: he's a better representation then his opponent |
| 17:04.55 | JoshH | did you vote for him? |
| 17:05.04 | fozzmoo | JoshH: with a heavy heart, yes. |
| 17:05.09 | JoshH | why? |
| 17:05.12 | unum | I really wish we had done some better recruiting there. |
| 17:05.23 | fozzmoo | because he represented my views slightly better than his opponent, IMO. |
| 17:05.29 | JoshH | his opponent seemed alright, and not especially liberal |
| 17:05.37 | unum | his opponent was extremely liberal actually |
| 17:05.44 | unum | and somewhat anti-mormon |
| 17:05.53 | JoshH | perhaps we have different standards |
| 17:05.54 | fozzmoo | The dems should have put someone more moderate against him. |
| 17:06.01 | unum | extremely liberal by utah standards I should say |
| 17:06.05 | JoshH | to me he seemed very moderate |
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| 17:06.15 | fozzmoo | Well, water. bridge. |
| 17:06.17 | unum | ya I don't know why we didn't get someone more moderate there |
| 17:06.31 | thaddeusq | extremely liberal in Utah = Republican in Mass. Doesn't it? |
| 17:06.39 | unum | I was extremely disappointed in that campaign and would not associate myself with it |
| 17:06.42 | unum | thaddeusq: yes |
| 17:06.54 | fozzmoo | Buttars isn't a bad legislator. Just needs to be more careful with his choice of words. :) |
| 17:06.57 | unum | they guy was hanging out with gay right groups etc |
| 17:07.03 | unum | he is a bad legislator |
| 17:07.27 | unum | he passes laws that cost us a lot of money to defend, and they still get over turned |
| 17:07.35 | unum | like this stupid merry christmas law |
| 17:07.47 | fozzmoo | unum: A bad legislator would be one that isn't involved in the legislative process- isn't around to vote, isn't in touch with his constituents. |
| 17:07.48 | thaddeusq | unum: he can't pass them on his own. :) |
| 17:08.03 | fozzmoo | Like... Obama. Obama has been a terrible legislator. |
| 17:08.10 | unum | fozzmoo: I would prefer that to someone who passes laws that waste my money |
| 17:08.12 | fozzmoo | He has a pretty good excuse... |
| 17:08.16 | fozzmoo | but still. |
| 17:08.35 | unum | I would think a libertarian like yourself would prefer legislator who weren't passing more laws |
| 17:09.04 | fozzmoo | unum: But I like Christmas! |
| 17:09.05 | thaddeusq | unum: I still argue that a legislator can't pass laws on his own. |
| 17:09.12 | fozzmoo | It's... holly and jolly. |
| 17:09.22 | unum | http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/ |
| 17:09.38 | unum | fozzmoo: so you think the government should force your religious holiday on everyone? |
| 17:09.55 | unum | thaddeusq: they also can't pass it if they are not there |
| 17:10.05 | fozzmoo | The government forces labor holidays on everyone. :) |
| 17:10.18 | unum | they don't force you to say happy labor day |
| 17:10.30 | fozzmoo | Not yet. :) |
| 17:10.37 | thaddeusq | I'm going to push for nobody to say Happy New Year. |
| 17:10.42 | unum | why did you pick obama when mccain missed more votes? |
| 17:10.51 | thaddeusq | I don't believe in New Years. |
| 17:11.17 | unum | fozzmoo: nobody has introduced a law to that effect |
| 17:11.23 | JoshH | honestly, i'm an atheist, and a secularist, but the whole thing about christmas pisses me off |
| 17:11.30 | unum | it's the conservatives that try to force their beliefs on everyone else |
| 17:11.35 | JoshH | there is no reason to try to change the name or anything like that, and everyone should just love it |
| 17:11.41 | fozzmoo | unum: Because I dislike Obama slightly more than McCain and chose to skew the truth. |
| 17:11.44 | unum | conservatives believe governments job is to make everyone like them |
| 17:11.50 | JoshH | it's a good time of the year, and it's barely even about religion anymore, to most people |
| 17:11.53 | fozzmoo | ROTFL |
| 17:12.22 | fozzmoo | s/conservatives/some legislators/ |
| 17:12.24 | unum | thinks people should call it what ever they feel like |
| 17:12.28 | thaddeusq | I like labels, I'm going to divide up all my friends into two groups, The conservatives and the liberals. |
| 17:12.49 | tensai | what's this whole "merry christmas law"? |
| 17:13.04 | unum | bussiness are to say merry christmas not happy holidays |
| 17:13.16 | unum | it will be non-binding and totally unconstitutional |
| 17:13.22 | JoshH | unum: i don't think anyone should get offended if someone says happy holidays, and i don't think there is such thing as a "war on christmas" going on, but the people who do things like cause a stir about a nativity scene somewhere are hurting more than helping |
| 17:13.33 | unum | but don't worry we'll give senator hatch's son some money to defend it |
| 17:13.38 | fozzmoo | I'm not a Buttars fan. I actually can't remember if I voted for him or not. if there was a constitution party candidate running in that race, I probably went that direction. |
| 17:13.46 | unum | because that's what republicans do with our tax money, give it to each other |
| 17:13.50 | thaddeusq | unum: How will it be unconstitiutional if it's non-binding? |
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| 17:14.10 | thaddeusq | non-binding resolutions are not bound by the constitiution. |
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| 17:14.34 | levi | JoshH: Of course there's a War on Christmas! Haven't you been listening to your talk radio?! |
| 17:14.36 | JoshH | it's called a waste of time that pisses people off who think the legislature should be doing better things |
| 17:14.46 | JoshH | not necessarily unconstitutional |
| 17:14.47 | fozzmoo | levi: Merry. Christmas. Levi. |
| 17:15.11 | levi | fozzmoo: Happy Kwanzaa! |
| 17:15.56 | fozzmoo | Have a happy Ramahanakwanzmas! |
| 17:15.56 | levi | Or, even more evilly secular... Happy Holidays! |
| 17:15.56 | thaddeusq | JoshH: it doesn't piss me off. It makes me laugh at people who think that their state legislature acually accomplishes anything in the month of December. |
| 17:16.02 | fozzmoo | gasps |
| 17:16.04 | thaddeusq | didn't know levi celebrated Kwanzaa. |
| 17:16.16 | levi | thaddeusq: I don't, but I think fozzmoo should have a merry one. |
| 17:16.24 | levi | Or a happy one, at least. |
| 17:16.31 | unum | thaddeusq: the legislature is not in session yet. they will debate it and pass it in january and febuarary |
| 17:16.32 | tensai | wintereenmas! |
| 17:16.41 | JoshH | i want the conservatives in the legislature to give us a small government that stays out of our lives and lets us do whatever we want |
| 17:16.51 | fozzmoo | JoshH: here here. |
| 17:17.00 | JoshH | so when buttars pulls this kind of crap, it bugs me a lot |
| 17:17.00 | levi | Have a wonderful Winter Solstice Celebration! |
| 17:17.04 | fozzmoo | Except, they need to clear the way for UTOPIA. |
| 17:17.09 | thaddeusq | wants to see into the crystal ball that unum is using to look into the future. |
| 17:17.19 | JoshH | utopia is some socialism that i find acceptable |
| 17:17.30 | unum | utopia is a city based thing that the state conservatives are interfering with it |
| 17:17.30 | JoshH | especially since the giant telcos have all had their fair share of my tax money |
| 17:17.32 | fozzmoo | JoshH: It's infrastructure. |
| 17:17.39 | unum | because it takes money away from good republicans |
| 17:18.13 | fozzmoo | I wish Sen. Stephenson could get that through his big, fat head. |
| 17:18.26 | levi | I love how fundy Christians get their underwear in a bunch over stuff like 'Happy Holidays' but don't seem to mind pagan symbols like Christmas trees. |
| 17:18.30 | JoshH | i agree fozzmoo |
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| 17:18.31 | thaddeusq | I love the arguments that different people use. We all do it. We want small government and the government to keep out of our lives, except when we don't. |
| 17:18.32 | unum | the state doesn't need to be involved in UTOPIA they are involved because Qwest and Comcast asked them to be |
| 17:19.11 | JoshH | there was a rumor a while ago that cox cable wanted to join utopia |
| 17:19.15 | JoshH | i really wish they would have |
| 17:19.20 | fozzmoo | I love how Qwest told all the city councils fiber was dead technology and now they've got banner ads all over the place for their own fiber rollout. |
| 17:19.33 | tensai | fiber is dead? that's pretty funny. |
| 17:19.37 | JoshH | because it would break the unspoken gentleman's agreement those companies have to not compete with eachother |
| 17:19.39 | thaddeusq | Even local, municipal, government is still government. (this coming from a former city councilmember) |
| 17:19.58 | JoshH | also, i've heard that qwest has basically drained their FTTN budget already and it will be stagnating for a while |
| 17:20.46 | fozzmoo | But, really, this government vs Christmas thing is getting ridiculous. We really should take this to the PLUG list. ;-) |
| 17:21.08 | unum | my mayor asked for an endorsement because he thinks some people are going to come after him over the UTOPIA issue |
| 17:21.09 | JoshH | lately i've been considering leaving the cozy liberal comfines of SLC for a utopia house in murray or midvale |
| 17:21.26 | fozzmoo | never understood why SLC didn't join UTOPIA |
| 17:21.30 | unum | JoshH: murray's not bad. we're all democrat :) |
| 17:21.35 | JoshH | because of qwest, comcast, and rocky anderson |
| 17:21.40 | unum | rocky opposed UTOPIA |
| 17:21.41 | JoshH | that was the one thing i hated the most about rocky |
| 17:21.59 | levi | As nice as it would be to have UTOPIA, it's pretty low on my list of priorities for a home purchase. |
| 17:22.01 | JoshH | he said something like "people should be outside exercising instead of sitting home downloading files' |
| 17:22.07 | unum | becker is ok with it, and I think the state has lifted their ban |
| 17:22.08 | jasonpr | I believe he said people only use high speed internet to steal music and movies |
| 17:22.15 | JoshH | levi: my dsl is 1.5 |
| 17:22.19 | Tene | fozzmoo: pressure from comcast and qwest, I'm told |
| 17:22.19 | unum | once the economy bounces back I think they'll go with it |
| 17:22.40 | jasonpr | You know comcast reduced your speed to like 2MB if you don't have cable too |
| 17:22.50 | harleypig | So I'm standing in line at the Maverik's this morning. |
| 17:22.53 | harleypig | Yes, the same one. |
| 17:22.57 | jasonpr | I was so pissed when I dropped my cable |
| 17:22.58 | harleypig | The same clerk too. |
| 17:23.05 | harleypig | She was giving me the fish eye. |
| 17:23.10 | harleypig | I hear this "Dude!' |
| 17:23.14 | harleypig | from behind me. |
| 17:23.19 | unum | telling the state legislative committe that I bought a house in murray in order to get UTOPIA seemed to help them understand how important it is to some people |
| 17:23.27 | harleypig | I think "Crap. here we go again" |
| 17:23.27 | unum | my company also stayed in murray for that reason |
| 17:23.38 | harleypig | "You're beard is SO BADASS MAN!" |
| 17:23.54 | harleypig | Buncha guys are standing there admiring my beard. |
| 17:24.03 | levi | JoshH: Mine's only slightly faster. |
| 17:24.10 | harleypig | This valley is a place of contrasts. |
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| 17:24.58 | levi | Thank goodness for contrast and diversity. |
| 17:25.31 | JoshH | the problem is the idiots in the legislature think that utopia is some kind of socialized ISP, rather than an infrastructure for ISP's to use and compete on, so they don't all have to dig separately and put their own lines in every neighborhood |
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| 17:25.46 | tensai | to which harleypig replied, "you think my beard is awesome, you should see the thong" |
| 17:26.14 | harleypig | I should have. |
| 17:26.17 | JoshH | and they also think a terrible qwest and comcast duopoly is actually the free market in action |
| 17:26.18 | unum | though in murray I have had people shout homosexual slurs at me. but noone has tried to kill me because they thought I was gay(like they do in logan) |
| 17:26.19 | harleypig | I was too confused though. |
| 17:26.44 | JoshH | unum: i thought you were a straight mormon who was just kind of liberal? |
| 17:26.45 | harleypig | unum: ? Why would someone think you're gay (are you effeminate)? |
| 17:26.50 | unum | JoshH: have you ever talked to senator stephenson? |
| 17:26.56 | fozzmoo | Tene: I know that. I was there. |
| 17:27.00 | JoshH | not directly, but coworkers have |
| 17:27.03 | JoshH | and i know what he's like |
| 17:27.15 | JoshH | (i don't particularly like him) |
| 17:27.26 | fozzmoo | unum: you're not gay?! |
| 17:27.30 | unum | I have blind friends and we often do what's called "sighted guide" rather than using a cane or dog |
| 17:27.49 | unum | so I'll walk around with a guy holding my arm from time to time |
| 17:27.52 | JoshH | so they see you helping out a blind guy and think you are his boyfriend |
| 17:27.55 | JoshH | excellent |
| 17:27.57 | jasonpr | lol |
| 17:28.01 | thaddeusq | JoshH: It's not just the idiots in the legislature. See my blog post at: http://www.woodscrosscitizen.com/2008/08/answers-question-3.html |
| 17:28.48 | unum | stephensen wanted to pass a lot that would require city libraries to charge for recitals, because that competes with private businesses(like hotels) that rent out rooms |
| 17:28.54 | unum | s/lot/law |
| 17:29.17 | JoshH | hmm, props to woods cross for having a sysadmin council member |
| 17:29.59 | thaddeusq | JoshH: They don't anymore. :) |
| 17:30.00 | JoshH | the government definitely needs more techies |
| 17:30.13 | thaddeusq | I did my one term and will never do it again. |
| 17:30.27 | fozzmoo | unum: you're not gay?! |
| 17:30.37 | thaddeusq | There is far more crap that goes on then I want to deal with again. |
| 17:31.07 | JoshH | ya, i can imagine |
| 17:31.18 | unum | I can't believe people think wireless is comparable to fiber |
| 17:31.21 | JoshH | geek types don't generally like playing politics |
| 17:31.29 | bgerber | yup |
| 17:31.45 | harleypig | unum: I wasn't trying to be insulting ... I learned a hard lesson about effeminate men. |
| 17:31.47 | bgerber | we do not play well with managers either. |
| 17:31.57 | JoshH | harleypig: get beat up by one? |
| 17:32.11 | unum | maybe if I was more metrosexual I'd get more girls :) |
| 17:32.33 | harleypig | JoshH: I did. When I was bar crawling, picking fights, I picked one with the this guy who was ... flamboyant. :> |
| 17:32.43 | harleypig | he wiped the floor with me, then cleaned the toilets. |
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| 17:33.17 | JoshH | heh, you never know with people |
| 17:33.27 | JoshH | some guy could be a black belt in karate, then suddenly decide to get a sex change |
| 17:33.44 | bgerber | IT expect people to be able to think and respond logically. Gov does not. |
| 17:34.10 | bgerber | too many games.... |
| 17:34.15 | harleypig | you get what you expect |
| 17:38.01 | levi | harleypig: Oh, I just remembered... do a google image search for "bean burrito" |
| 17:39.32 | JoshH | wow |
| 17:40.21 | unum | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 17:40.26 | unum | barfs |
| 17:40.43 | levi | There's a google image search FAIL, if you ask me. |
| 17:40.57 | sjansen | is annoyed by everyone discrimination against Festivus |
| 17:41.11 | sjansen | You're all going to be included in my airing of grievances! |
| 17:41.28 | JoshH | the other pics make me want taco time though |
| 17:41.44 | unum | grew up on taco time |
| 17:41.51 | unum | maybe that's what I'll get for lunch today |
| 17:42.17 | harleypig | levi: sfw? boss is right behind me |
| 17:42.58 | levi | Well, it's a guy in a thong swimsuit thingy. |
| 17:43.49 | harleypig | ... |
| 17:43.54 | harleypig | I almost didn't see it. |
| 17:45.56 | elg | desensitized? |
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| 17:47.13 | harleypig | elg: that, or my mind refused to process it for a second. |
| 17:47.25 | harleypig | I tend toward the first. |
| 17:47.55 | levi | So, anyone seen the Foxit eSlick announcement? |
| 17:48.07 | harleypig | what is Foxit and/or eSlick? |
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| 17:49.03 | levi | http://www.foxitsoftware.com/ebook/ |
| 17:49.04 | brac | [Foxit eSlick] |
| 17:49.24 | levi | Foxit is a company that makes a slick, lean PDF reader program. |
| 17:49.30 | harleypig | ouch ... $230 |
| 17:49.30 | fozzmoo | levi: I saw a blurb on engadget |
| 17:49.35 | levi | And, soon, an e-book PDF reader. |
| 17:49.37 | harleypig | Is it only PDF? |
| 17:49.50 | fozzmoo | harleypig: Compared to Amazon's reader, that's more afforable. |
| 17:49.54 | levi | harleypig: Compare to other e-book readers, though. |
| 17:50.04 | fozzmoo | (and Sony's) |
| 17:50.07 | levi | Less money, but fewer features as well. |
| 17:51.22 | harleypig | What i want doesn't exist yet. |
| 17:51.57 | elg | is waiting for digital paper |
| 17:52.19 | elg | fold it, roll it, stuff it in your pocket. black on white no light |
| 17:52.49 | harleypig | is waiting for the kind of digital paper seen in Firefly. |
| 17:53.24 | levi | I saw the latest Sony reader at Target the other day and I almost didn't realize it was a real device instead of a fake mock-up. |
| 17:53.35 | harleypig | What I want now is something that is *just* an ebook reader ... focus everything on making the reading experience as close to an actual book as possible. |
| 17:54.06 | harleypig | No pushing of buttons on the shell ... just touch a corner of the screen to change a page |
| 17:54.14 | levi | The text was black on light gray with no backlight, and it was very sharp. |
| 17:54.15 | elg | no wireless |
| 17:54.18 | elg | no web browsing |
| 17:54.25 | elg | no ringtones |
| 17:54.30 | harleypig | right |
| 17:54.30 | elg | don't make it a phone |
| 17:54.47 | elg | just e-paper the size of a paperback page |
| 17:54.49 | tensai | it has to play tetris though |
| 17:54.58 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 17:54.59 | levi | The eSlick has no wireless or web browsing, but it does have an mp3 player. |
| 17:55.54 | elg | josh coates quest reminds me of a guy |
| 17:55.56 | tensai | elg: I think I have the solution for you: paperback books |
| 17:56.18 | elg | tensai: great. now give me 1000 paperback books in one sheaf of paper |
| 17:57.11 | elg | local here, about 1/2 hour away |
| 17:57.12 | tensai | elg: that's slated for v2.0. should be out shortly after we finish Duke Nukem. |
| 17:57.48 | elg | he wanted to get together and talk about his awesome rails business idea. he was going to make a system that you could easily spawn off websites for various whatevers |
| 17:58.04 | elg | book club, sell pottery, whatever |
| 17:58.33 | elg | reluctantly i agreed, mostly to see if there was another ruby kin nearby |
| 17:59.33 | elg | his idea was moderately ok, but i didn't get excited about it like he did. he had a technical question at the moment, about rails, and in order to answer it i asked more questions about his design etc. which lead to more questions |
| 18:00.23 | fozzmoo | Cool! ArgoUML runs on Fedora 10 w/ the OpenJDK. |
| 18:01.01 | elg | so in the end i had a bunch of questions he obviously hadn't thought of. nothing that couldn't be worked through but i think he got defensive and anyway after he left he sent an email saying thanks and that he was sorry for me. something about academia, ivory towers, lack of vision, or who knows what |
| 18:01.07 | elg | it was pretty amusing |
| 18:01.28 | levi | Heh, Credit Suisse executives get their bonuses, but instead of being paid in cash, they're paid in toxic mortgage derivatives that they need to get off the balance sheets. :) |
| 18:01.39 | Sargun | fozzmoo, why are you using UML? |
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| 18:02.05 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Because... I care. |
| 18:02.13 | levi | elg: Yeah, you ivory tower academics, always thinking of the practical business issues instead of... er, wait. |
| 18:02.19 | elg | :) |
| 18:02.29 | harleypig | fozzmoo: about what? |
| 18:02.31 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Sure... That's just one more point to prove you're a nutcase. |
| 18:03.06 | elg | sjansen: stop being productive! |
| 18:03.07 | fozzmoo | Sargun: You would like to suggest I use something other than UML for what I need? |
| 18:03.10 | elg | you're making us all look bad |
| 18:03.12 | elg | ge back here |
| 18:03.49 | levi | fozzmoo: Just scribble stuff on the whiteboard like a real man. ;) |
| 18:04.00 | Sargun | UML is pointless. |
| 18:04.13 | Sargun | Use a functional, or procedural language. |
| 18:04.18 | elg | near as i can tell he pitied me for wasting myself in a little office as a grad student instead of striking it rich doing mediocre websites |
| 18:04.25 | levi | UML isn't pointless. |
| 18:04.25 | Sargun | Document your code in text, not dumb graphics. |
| 18:04.29 | harleypig | then leave it up somewhere to prove you're doing something and never change it as the realities of development force changes. |
| 18:04.30 | elg | but he wasn't very explicit |
| 18:04.32 | harleypig | in the cod3e. |
| 18:04.42 | Sargun | levi, I'd much prefer a document written up about a chunk of code, than a UML diagram. |
| 18:04.58 | elg | a uml diagram can be a document |
| 18:04.59 | levi | Sargun: Your preferences are not the point. |
| 18:04.59 | Sargun | levi, I hate it when customers want UML of all the code that we've written for them. |
| 18:05.03 | fozzmoo | Sargun: You're still cold (in proving to me I should use something else.) |
| 18:05.10 | elg | in the right situation, it can be a much better document than a bunch of words |
| 18:05.21 | Sargun | Ah, use UML if you want.... I'll stay 50 feet away from it. |
| 18:05.22 | elg | sure it can be overused and overspecified and mishandled |
| 18:05.25 | fozzmoo | I don't really care about the UML (XML). I'm really more concerned about the visual diagram. |
| 18:05.26 | elg | but so can everything |
| 18:05.39 | elg | only 50 feet? it could still touch you |
| 18:05.43 | levi | The point of UML: Sometimes you need to diagram stuff. Diagrams are more useful if people agree on what the elements of them mean. |
| 18:06.01 | Sargun | Apparently the SMW3, SMW4, and FLAG cables are down in the Alexandria, Egypt region. < Ouch, when FLAG was out earlier this year it caused major problems. |
| 18:06.13 | Sargun | fozzmoo, I still like text documents, and comments. |
| 18:06.27 | Sargun | http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm < ouch. |
| 18:06.28 | brac | [Details for Asia /// Internet Traffic Report] |
| 18:06.29 | levi | Sargun: Again, your preference is irrelevant. |
| 18:06.45 | Sargun | Most people I know like text documents, and comments. |
| 18:06.56 | levi | Sargun: Your sample size is insignificant. |
| 18:07.04 | Sargun | Probably. |
| 18:07.09 | Sargun | 30/a few million |
| 18:07.10 | levi | Indeed. |
| 18:07.20 | Sargun | Anyways, don't touch me with your UML. |
| 18:07.22 | elg | a picture is worth a thousand words |
| 18:07.42 | Sargun | elg, not really. |
| 18:07.51 | elg | oh i forgot you know everything |
| 18:07.52 | harleypig | elg: *the right* picture is worth a thousand words. |
| 18:07.56 | Sargun | would you prefer I make a movie about my code? |
| 18:07.57 | levi | Technical writing is greatly enhanced by appropriate graphical aids. |
| 18:08.00 | harleypig | the wrong picture is worth life in prison |
| 18:08.04 | elg | the wrong picture can be worth a lot more than 1000 ;-) |
| 18:08.06 | Sargun | would that be worth more? |
| 18:08.29 | Sargun | levi, true, but UML isn't always the best graphical aid. |
| 18:08.38 | harleypig | Sargun: if it was made into a feature length action packed movie. |
| 18:08.42 | Sargun | http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=erlang%3A+the+movie&emb=0&aq=f# |
| 18:08.49 | levi | Sargun: Indeed, it's not always the best graphical aid. But sometimes it is. |
| 18:08.50 | Sargun | harleypig, Erlang was made into a movie ^^ |
| 18:09.02 | harleypig | but was it action packed? |
| 18:09.27 | levi | harleypig: If you think guys saying hello to each other over a phone switch is action packed. |
| 18:09.39 | elg | the hair alone was action-packed |
| 18:10.00 | harleypig | something was packed anyway |
| 18:10.07 | Sargun | harleypig, Hell yeah! |
| 18:10.29 | Sargun | levi, And crashing the phone switch, man I was on the edge of my seat when they did that! |
| 18:11.11 | Sargun | Well, crashing a process. |
| 18:12.06 | elg | anyway, i'm ok with uml. i usually only use the very basics of it, on pen and paper or whiteboard |
| 18:12.12 | elg | if i want a digital copy i scan it in |
| 18:12.36 | elg | if i need to make a polished presentation then i reach for the fancy tools to recreate what i already did with the fluid elegance of pencil |
| 18:12.56 | levi | I concur with elg. |
| 18:13.22 | elg | speaking of which, i am just about to embark on mocking up a graph, then massage gnuplot into duplicating it |
| 18:13.28 | elg | with the real data of course |
| 18:16.29 | Sargun | elg, I use graphviz for graphs. |
| 18:16.53 | elg | congratulations |
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| 18:33.18 | unum | looks like I'll be teaching a computer class at the library once a month |
| 18:37.40 | levi | What kind of computer class? |
| 18:38.24 | elg | -chat what kind |
| 18:38.25 | brac | what kind of an effort to do is give it to me that private enterprise invented the computer that now complains about mercurial, but really what's happening is the only time the answer to that question |
| 18:38.45 | levi | -chat private enterprise |
| 18:38.45 | brac | private enterprise has invented all sorts of shapes, sizes and varieties |
| 18:38.53 | levi | -chat that question |
| 18:38.54 | brac | that question on a tmpfs |
| 18:39.05 | elg | -chat i think |
| 18:39.05 | brac | i think so. |
| 18:39.12 | levi | -chat elg is |
| 18:39.12 | brac | elg is thinking of the major upgrades in Asterisk |
| 18:39.43 | unum | levi: blogs,html, and wikis are planned so far |
| 18:40.05 | unum | I think I'll do ones on portable apps, and networking as well |
| 18:40.18 | goozbach | ibot: netsplit |
| 18:40.19 | ibot | netsplit is, like, something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
| 18:40.27 | goozbach | ~big one |
| 18:40.28 | ibot | [big one] that it checks for invalid field names in control, (ie. it'll say "control field missing :" if you leave off the initial space in ibot's long description) |
| 18:41.07 | elg | brac makes more sense |
| 18:41.09 | elg | -chat big one |
| 18:41.09 | brac | big one |
| 18:41.12 | elg | -chat the big |
| 18:41.12 | brac | the big arguments. I decided to be a bit |
| 18:41.18 | unum | I'm trying to decide if one covering mailing lists and online forums would be doable |
| 18:41.32 | unum | goes to lunch |
| 18:41.34 | elg | just cover usenet |
| 18:42.21 | fugue88 | alt.politics.binaries? |
| 18:43.26 | fugue88 | j/k |
| 18:43.56 | fugue88 | Don't even know (or care to know) if such a group exists. |
| 19:03.57 | sjansen | http://tinyurl.com/ysbo8 |
| 19:04.00 | brac | [Badger Badger Badger.com! The Original Dancing Badgers!] |
| 19:04.21 | sjansen | ibot! |
| 19:04.33 | sjansen | bad ibot! bad, bad, bad ibot! |
| 19:04.48 | sjansen | rolls up a newspaper and thwaps ibot on the nose |
| 19:05.50 | elg | brac you mean |
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| 19:08.02 | sjansen | twaps brac and elg too |
| 19:10.57 | levi | Hah, you tried to trick us into watching the badger! |
| 19:11.45 | elg | ~badger |
| 19:11.46 | ibot | http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ |
| 19:11.47 | brac | [Badger Badger Badger.com! The Original Dancing Badgers!] |
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| 19:29.18 | ^Migs^ | has anyone messed around with VirtualBox much, and in getting it to recognize USB devices? |
| 19:46.06 | harleypig | Isn't there a way to make an option tag non-selectable so you can use it as a separator? |
| 19:46.44 | ^Migs^ | I have it recognizing the devices, but I'd like to figure out a way to make it recognize new devices when I plug them in. |
| 19:54.29 | mrpull | how is the weather down in ut county and around the point? |
| 19:54.38 | mrpull | it's crazy in west jordan. |
| 19:54.48 | harleypig | It's still relatively clear atm |
| 19:55.32 | mrpull | I'm thinking I should drive home now and finish out the day from home |
| 19:56.01 | mrpull | if this storm is as bad as everybody says, I don't want to be stuck in another 4 hour commute like the famous one last year. |
| 20:13.17 | Tene | harleypig: you could try using optgroup |
| 20:13.24 | Tene | harleypig: http://htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/optgroup/ |
| 20:15.51 | elg | -metar kpvu |
| 20:15.52 | brac | KPVU 191851Z 07008KT 15SM SCT070 BKN090 01/M06 A2992 |
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| 20:16.45 | JOHNNY_BOI | lol |
| 20:16.54 | JOHNNY_BOI | hi |
| 20:17.30 | elg | welcome, santa |
| 20:21.19 | sjansen | JOHNNY_BOI: Fala portugues? |
| 20:23.17 | sjansen | One of my areas was a semi-resort town. It had many hotels, including (IIRC) Fazenda Colina Verde, a resort for "cow bois". |
| 20:24.03 | sjansen | Heh. Get it? Get it? Cow boi! Ha! Still makes me chuckle. |
| 20:24.24 | elg | ~punish sjansen |
| 20:24.25 | ibot | ACTION forces sjansen to install and use Windows |
| 20:24.47 | sjansen | Harumph. |
| 20:25.14 | fozzmoo | slaps his knee |
| 20:52.41 | RyanE | sjansen: heh. |
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| 21:04.45 | JOHNNY_BOI | FUCK YOU ALL |
| 21:04.48 | JOHNNY_BOI | GOD DAMNIT |
| 21:05.02 | JOHNNY_BOI | I WANT TO FUCCCCCCCCCKkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:09.55 | unum | uh.... |
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| 21:10.03 | JOHNNY_BOI | hurry up |
| 21:10.04 | JOHNNY_BOI | and |
| 21:10.05 | JOHNNY_BOI | ban |
| 21:10.05 | JOHNNY_BOI | me |
| 21:10.07 | JOHNNY_BOI | im |
| 21:10.07 | JOHNNY_BOI | so |
| 21:10.08 | JOHNNY_BOI | bored |
| 21:10.09 | JOHNNY_BOI | ;( |
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| 21:10.10 | *** kick/#utah [JOHNNY_BOI!n=goozbach@209.41.92.80] by goozbach (goozbach) |
| 21:10.42 | unum | he just wanted to get banned from #utah |
| 21:10.51 | goozbach | I obliged |
| 21:11.27 | goozbach | a 45 minute wait to troll? |
| 21:11.31 | goozbach | I'm impressed |
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| 21:20.26 | tensai | ~dung sjansen |
| 21:27.33 | tensai | ah, how I miss the "fun" of chasing down formmail installations |
| 21:28.11 | tensai | matt wright, you have done so much for the black hat community |
| 21:28.45 | sjansen | My cat's breath smells like cat food. |
| 21:32.13 | JoshH | tensai, i hear you |
| 21:34.56 | elg | goozbach: sometimes trolls have lives too |
| 21:34.59 | elg | they can't work all the time |
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| 21:46.17 | harleypig | Is there a screen type app for xwindows? |
| 21:48.01 | harleypig | So I can xscreen when at my workstation, and then connect from my home computer and see everything as it was? |
| 21:48.30 | RyanE | so you mean for graphical apps? |
| 21:48.53 | harleypig | that'd be nice, but I'm thinking for the x windows session itself |
| 21:49.08 | harleypig | Like vnc, sort of. |
| 21:49.27 | harleypig | But with the ability to detach from my current x session and connect from elsewhere. |
| 21:50.59 | Tene | vnc |
| 21:51.01 | Tene | kinda |
| 21:52.09 | harleypig | yeah, but how can I connect to a vnc server from my local box unless I load an xsession? |
| 21:52.24 | harleypig | Then I'd be running to x sessions at the same time. Kind of a waste. |
| 21:52.44 | harleypig | s/to x/two x/ |
| 21:57.08 | tensai | elg: I couldn't get handbrake working. maybe when I upgrade to intrepid. |
| 21:57.25 | fugue88 | harleypig, would x11vnc (http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/) work for you? |
| 22:01.33 | harleypig | fugue88: looking |
| 22:04.53 | harleypig | fugue88: it looks like it. |
| 22:05.56 | fugue88 | harleypig, I just found something that's more like screen for X: http://www.cs.brown.edu/software/xmx/ |
| 22:05.57 | brac | [XMX Home Page] |
| 22:10.36 | harleypig | I think I like the looks of x11vnc better. |
| 22:10.54 | harleypig | any ssh tunnelling gurus willing to give me a helping hand? |
| 22:13.29 | elg | maybe i'm a guru |
| 22:13.33 | elg | we'll find out when you ask your question |
| 22:13.41 | harleypig | heh |
| 22:14.28 | harleypig | I have a setup like Work -> Intermediate Server <-> Home ... |
| 22:14.49 | harleypig | How do I tunnel to my work station if I can't access my workstations from the intermediate server? |
| 22:14.58 | harleypig | err ... workstation. |
| 22:15.22 | Tene | harleypig: where are you currently? home? |
| 22:15.26 | harleypig | No, work. |
| 22:15.35 | Tene | but you later want to tunnel from home? |
| 22:15.38 | harleypig | I'm trying to set things up so I can work from home the next time a storm l ike this hits. |
| 22:15.41 | harleypig | right |
| 22:15.56 | elg | as for your screen question, i don't know of something like screen exactly, but nx will let you connect to the local x session on a computer, so you could just leave work logged in and access it |
| 22:15.57 | Tene | the easiest way is to leave a tunnel open from your work server |
| 22:16.00 | harleypig | I'm assuming I have to setup a link from my work computer and leave it running. |
| 22:16.06 | Tene | then connect back to your workstation through the tunnel. |
| 22:16.10 | elg | no detaching a la screen, exactly, but maybe it'd do wha tyou need. and efficient bandwidth too |
| 22:16.29 | elg | do you just want an ssh tunnel? |
| 22:16.40 | Tene | [hp@work]$ ssh -R 2345:localhost:22 hp@intermediate |
| 22:16.56 | Tene | then from home, log into intermediate and then ssh hp@localhost -p 2345 |
| 22:17.07 | elg | and be prepared for annoying mitm warnings |
| 22:17.08 | elg | :-p |
| 22:17.34 | elg | if anyone knows how to get ssh to shut up about known_hosts entries for localhost when doing various tunnels I'd love to hear it |
| 22:18.12 | elg | harleypig: what tene said. or, you could set up a vpn (e.g. openvpn) |
| 22:18.33 | elg | then you could access your work computer any way you like, not just over the ssh port |
| 22:18.45 | Tene | elg: echo -e 'host localhost\nStrictHostKeyChecking no\n' >> .ssh/config |
| 22:18.57 | harleypig | elg: how would openvpn work within a corporate environment? |
| 22:19.03 | harleypig | (not regulations) |
| 22:19.34 | Tene | elg: that work for you? |
| 22:19.51 | elg | oh sweet, this is even better |
| 22:19.51 | elg | NoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost |
| 22:20.07 | Tene | nice |
| 22:20.18 | elg | harleypig: well it may not be kosher with their policy (but then so might not an ssh tunnel), but it would work just fine |
| 22:20.20 | tensai | or you could create a collection of host aliases in .ssh/config |
| 22:20.22 | elg | assuming you have root on your box |
| 22:20.36 | elg | tensai: mostly for one-off tunnels |
| 22:21.26 | harleypig | Tene: that command leaves me logged in on the intermediate server ... correct? or did I do something wrong? |
| 22:22.19 | elg | yes |
| 22:22.25 | Tene | harleypig: yes |
| 22:22.27 | harleypig | elg: Yeah, I've already verified the "don't break anything and you're fine" rule, but the consequences for breaking something can be dire if I'm not careful. |
| 22:22.31 | elg | and you'd want to use some kind of watch to keep it alive |
| 22:22.32 | Tene | harleypig: you'd likely start it from inside screen. |
| 22:22.46 | elg | you can make ssh daemonize, if you want |
| 22:22.52 | elg | but then how would you know if it died? |
| 22:23.23 | harleypig | I'd know cause I couldn't connect. |
| 22:23.36 | harleypig | At which point I'd just have to wait until I got back in to work. |
| 22:23.37 | elg | harleypig: the way openvpn would work is your computer would set up a tunnel to your home box and you get to pick the IP addresses for the endpoints |
| 22:23.56 | elg | by default nobody else would be able to route over it (you'd want to verify that of course if you care), but you would |
| 22:24.30 | elg | if you do the ssh tunnel, look for autossh or something (i don't remember exactly what it's called) which will keep an ssh tunnel alive |
| 22:24.35 | elg | bring it back up if it dies, etc. |
| 22:24.59 | elg | Tene: i'm confused about the StrictHostKeyChecking option |
| 22:25.04 | tensai | is there any passable substitute for grep in windows? |
| 22:25.24 | elg | if it's yes, it won't connect unless you manually put the key in. |
| 22:25.48 | elg | if it's no, it will "automatically add new host keys to the user known hosts files" |
| 22:25.51 | elg | whatever that means |
| 22:26.11 | elg | does that mean it adds the key but doesn't check it? |
| 22:26.21 | elg | does it still warn if a different key already exists? |
| 22:27.38 | tensai | redbeard2: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/chef.html |
| 22:27.40 | brac | [DM's Esoteric Programming Languages - Chef] |
| 22:28.05 | harleypig | dangermouse! man ... now I want to see an episode! |
| 22:29.33 | tensai | goozbach: and for you, http://foodproof.com/photos/view/bacon-cheese-roll-1290 |
| 22:38.49 | goozbach | oh yeah! |
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