| 00:01.40 | jackman | sjansen: wtf? |
| 00:01.56 | jackman | sjansen: got a pic? |
| 00:02.21 | unum | http://bash.org/?865776 <- tensai ftw |
| 00:02.22 | brac | [QDB: Quote #865776] |
| 00:05.01 | jackman | awesome |
| 00:06.04 | Supaplex | fozzmoo: lease some of the amazon cloud |
| 00:06.13 | fozzmoo | HEH. |
| 00:06.41 | tensai | fozzmoo: would a few Dodge Neons suffice? |
| 00:06.49 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 00:06.56 | fozzmoo | I'll just pick em up from USI in the morning. |
| 00:32.11 | harleypig | Sometimes it's weird following someone on twitter who is in a radically different timezone ... |
| 00:32.35 | harleypig | gnat just commented on how he was walking off lunch ... |
| 00:36.56 | sjansen | ~Django++ |
| 00:39.15 | synic | ~Django-- |
| 00:43.16 | sjansen | ~squash synic |
| 00:43.16 | ibot | ACTION supplies synic with squash of all sorts of shapes, sizes and varieties |
| 00:43.32 | synic | I actually really like Django, I'm just being a dork. |
| 00:47.05 | harleypig | ~dork synic |
| 00:47.09 | harleypig | feh |
| 01:22.38 | harleypig | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=7177 |
| 01:22.40 | harleypig | woops |
| 01:37.07 | harleypig | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=7184 |
| 02:18.30 | Sargun_Screen | hi |
| 02:30.07 | jackman | hi |
| 02:35.49 | Sargun_Screen | JACKMAN. |
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| 03:21.39 | levi | Just finished watching Wall-E for the first time. |
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| 03:36.48 | eightyeight | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2207 |
| 04:16.30 | high_roller | levi: my son is getting that for christmas, so it will be the first time I'll see that movie too |
| 04:17.51 | levi | I loved it, but my wife didn't seem to like it as much as I did. Her dad hated it. |
| 04:20.23 | Tene | My girlfriend loved it. |
| 04:24.44 | high_roller | my son is going to love it, what's not to love about cute robots? |
| 04:25.17 | zzzirk | we saw it in the theater and my wife absolutely loved it... |
| 04:25.37 | zzzirk | she was anxiously awaiting it's release |
| 04:27.05 | high_roller | still haven't seen twilight though |
| 04:27.17 | levi | My father-in-law apparently felt he was having environmentalist political hogwash crammed down his throat the whole time, and didn't like the sparse dialogue. |
| 04:28.51 | JoshH | ya, a lot of conservatives thought the movie was environmentalist propaganda |
| 04:30.39 | levi | There was an element of environmentalism, but there was also a strong anti-statist element. |
| 04:32.04 | levi | I didn't think the environment was really a major theme, actually. It was just kind of a set-up for the real conflict. |
| 04:54.48 | levi | Hah, and it turns out that's exactly what the creator of the movie said. |
| 04:55.18 | levi | Anyway, here's some fun reading if you don't mind boggling at rampant stupid: http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/07/12/wall-e-the-religion-of-environmentalism/ |
| 04:56.46 | levi | Basically, if you have decided that environmentalism is a tool of the devil and you have lost all critical thinking skills, you may find Wall-E offensive. :P |
| 05:11.37 | levi | Heh. Wall-E seems to be a mirror for extremists. They all seem to be threatened by it. |
| 05:12.00 | levi | Here's a Libertarian anti-Wall-E screed: http://mises.org/story/3037 |
| 05:14.20 | levi | Way to totally miss the point, dudes. :) |
| 05:14.29 | zzzirk | no kidding |
| 05:15.20 | levi | "This sci-fi robot love story *TOTALLY COULDN'T HAPPEN*" |
| 05:15.50 | zzzirk | yeah, and so many OTHER movies have totally solid economy scenarios |
| 05:15.52 | levi | "It's teaching our kids to have abortions!" |
| 05:16.09 | zzzirk | like geez, Batman... he could OF COURSE afford all the tech in those movies... |
| 05:16.45 | levi | It's about as sad as the physics geeks blasting Star Wars or whatever. |
| 05:17.10 | zzzirk | can't anyone make "art" of any kind without having it have to have some sort of deeper subplot to dominate the world? |
| 05:19.00 | levi | The people freaking out are all adults, and they're freaking because they're seeing reflections of their personal hang-ups. Kids aren't going to see that stuff because they aren't totally screwed up yet. |
| 05:20.58 | levi | The're going to see cute robots, and they're going to see that it's bad to be a fat lazy slob, and that it's good to be independent and curious and loyal to friends and have genuine human interaction. |
| 05:22.41 | levi | Extremist nutcases get my goat. I need to chill out about them. :) |
| 05:32.02 | levi | Ha ha. Here's a real environmentalist hating on Wall-E: http://www.alternet.org/environment/89964/ |
| 05:33.14 | fozzmoo | I like the people fighting back against the socialist regime in the film. :) |
| 05:34.28 | levi | Yeah, I said earlier that the environmental issue was just a set-up. |
| 05:37.12 | levi | http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1808/69 <- Some commenter here is worried that kids will be damaged by unrealistic depiction of solar panels. |
| 05:37.14 | brac | [The Environmental Technology of Wall*E | EcoGeek - Clean Technology] |
| 05:43.44 | levi | fozzmoo: It was a pretty weird form of socialism, though. Business-fronted, robot-run, no-human-labor socialism. |
| 05:49.04 | fozzmoo | Yeah. It was pretty sweet. :) |
| 05:50.15 | levi | It was about what you'd expect from a society that grew up on a non-resource-constrained cruise ship with a central AI control, though. |
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| 08:16.00 | Tene | another Perl 6 blog post. |
| 08:44.37 | Sargun | when are you guys going to give up |
| 08:49.28 | Tene | Eh? |
| 08:50.13 | Tene | We've been making very rapid progress lately. Why would we be thinking about giving up? |
| 09:05.33 | Sargun | because |
| 09:05.40 | Sargun | why would you want to bring Perl 6 to the world? |
| 09:05.50 | Sargun | The world doesn't need more Perl |
| 09:08.24 | Tene | I personally want Perl 6. Even if nobody else did, I would work on it for myself. |
| 09:08.36 | Tene | sleep. |
| 09:09.14 | Sargun | Tene, Build a better Python interpreter |
| 09:09.29 | Sargun | Tene, how does Parrot differentiate itself from LLVM? |
| 09:31.00 | Supaplex | he will, and we will call it perl6. HAH. |
| 10:03.36 | Supaplex | wonders off to zZZzZZzz land |
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| 14:33.20 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE4BE4IT20081216?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews |
| 14:50.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wikihow.com/Squat-in-Abandoned-Property |
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| 16:25.03 | goozbach | YAY! just found legend of the seeker on hulu.com! |
| 16:28.12 | jsmith | goozbach: Oh? |
| 16:30.42 | goozbach | yup |
| 16:30.45 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:31.05 | goozbach | http://www.hulu.com/legend-of-the-seeker |
| 16:44.40 | tristanbob | goozbach, that is funny, my brother in law has been watching that the past few days |
| 16:44.46 | tristanbob | I had never heard of it |
| 16:44.54 | tristanbob | doesn't watch TV anymore |
| 16:46.34 | ^Migs^ | betcha think you're all cool cuz you don't watch TV huh? |
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| 17:28.53 | jshipley | tritanbob: It's based on the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind |
| 17:29.02 | jshipley | s/tritanbob/tristanbob/ |
| 17:29.17 | jshipley | I haven't read them, but I think I might after what I've seen of the show |
| 17:29.26 | jshipley | did anybody watch Heroes last night? |
| 17:31.50 | mrpull | is heroes any good now? I have 7 weeks stacked up on the DVR and have kinda given up on it. |
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| 17:34.51 | jshipley | It's been alright... I've heard that they're getting a new writer who should be a lot better |
| 17:36.01 | jshipley | Bryan Fuller. I'm not sure it's a sure thing, but he did help write the first (and best) season. |
| 17:36.35 | jshipley | I was just hoping to find somebody to rant with about their treatment of the theory of relativity last night. |
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| 18:07.26 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: think? nawe. know? mmmm possibly. ;) haha |
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| 18:32.36 | elg | -chat |
| 18:32.36 | brac | (especially considering that Xen isn't keeping up with *that* mess of a history searcher script I was only a very small fraction of the reason the RIAAs tactics won't work against these actual pirates with guns and ships |
| 18:37.33 | levi | elg: So, did you get a new calling? |
| 18:38.15 | elg | ya. eq pres moved. luckily i'm 2nd counselor not pres |
| 18:38.23 | elg | (was secretary) |
| 18:38.28 | levi | Aha. |
| 18:38.39 | maquis | fun... |
| 18:38.42 | levi | My wife just got made 2nd counselor in the primary presidency. |
| 18:38.52 | levi | I am still just a teacher, thankfully. |
| 18:45.20 | maquis | is secretary in primary presidency |
| 18:46.07 | levi | In our last ward, my wife was made primary president with no previous primary experience since she was a kid in primary. |
| 18:47.33 | maquis | fun |
| 18:47.45 | maquis | but you guys have a kid, at least... |
| 18:48.15 | levi | Not at the time, we didn't. |
| 18:48.53 | elg | what is there to know? just bring a whip and a jar of candy and let them run semi-wild ;-) |
| 18:49.02 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:49.29 | levi | Primary is full of rituals you have to know, and it's also in charge of nursery and cub scouts. |
| 18:49.38 | elg | i don't think i'd enjoy any primary calling much except nursery, sunbeams, or pianist |
| 18:49.53 | levi | And then there are the difficult parents... |
| 18:50.19 | elg | in our ward they mostly call the difficult parents or the parents of the difficult children to be the teachers of their classes |
| 18:51.03 | levi | I'm a CTR-5 teacher. I wouldn't want to try to teach kids any younger than that. |
| 18:51.18 | tensai | my wife is in the primary pres. I keep asking her to call me into nursery. |
| 18:51.39 | tensai | she says they submit my name every time but the bishop won't let me out of being scoutmaster |
| 18:52.17 | unum | we actually have the record for three children in my ward |
| 18:52.42 | unum | when my eq president gave me my home teaching list he asked me when was the last time I taugh a family |
| 18:52.52 | JoshH | unum: you mean the record for the most kids in your family? |
| 18:53.29 | unum | that's the number of records we have in my ward for people under the age of 18 |
| 18:53.40 | JoshH | ah, ok |
| 18:53.47 | JoshH | i was gonna say, you must be in a strange ward |
| 18:54.02 | unum | I am in a strange ward :) |
| 18:54.05 | JoshH | even so, that is pretty unique, i'd imagine |
| 18:54.08 | unum | it fits me very well |
| 18:54.21 | levi | I got a little worried when the guy from the bishopric gave my wife her new calling and said how they think very highly of us in the bishopric. |
| 18:55.14 | levi | I would rather they think that I'm a total flake. :P |
| 18:56.00 | tensai | levi: we'll think of you that way, just to be safe |
| 18:56.23 | JoshH | what happens if you refuse to take your new job? or try to get out of it, etc |
| 18:56.28 | levi | You don't have the ability to make my life miserable by giving me a presidency calling. :P |
| 18:56.49 | levi | JoshH: Well, technically all you have to do is say 'no', and they'll find someone else. |
| 18:58.51 | tensai | you can ask to be released. happens once in a while in our primary, or so I hear from my wife. |
| 18:59.32 | tensai | I expect it'll happen to our scoutmaster before long too |
| 18:59.41 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:00.03 | JoshH | i bet it could be tough to balance work, family, and church jobs if you had one of the more demanding positions |
| 19:00.18 | levi | I eventually asked to be released from being the sunday school president. |
| 19:00.22 | JoshH | but i guess it's worth it if you believe in it |
| 19:00.35 | JoshH | or if you just enjoy it |
| 19:01.42 | levi | Well, that's the way the church functions. No one at the ward level gets paid to do anything, so you have to be willing to do your part in different roles in order to keep things running. |
| 19:02.31 | JoshH | what about bishops? don't they get some kind of payment? |
| 19:02.38 | levi | Nope. |
| 19:02.57 | levi | Not stake presidents, either. |
| 19:03.07 | JoshH | i've always been interested in that aspect of the church |
| 19:03.21 | JoshH | because one hand, you hear all the stories about how it has billions of dollars |
| 19:03.26 | levi | I'm not sure at what level general authorities start getting stipends. |
| 19:03.45 | levi | Well, billions of dollars worth of assets, anyway. |
| 19:03.47 | harleypig | levi: Seventies |
| 19:04.12 | JoshH | so the employees at the office building, seventies, apostles, etc get paid |
| 19:04.19 | JoshH | but everyone else volunteers on top of their day job |
| 19:04.20 | harleypig | The GA's who are asked to move to SLC get a stipend. |
| 19:04.40 | levi | Most of the assets are in buildings that require a lot of recurring maintenance expense. |
| 19:04.50 | harleypig | JoshH: No, there are two aspects to this that most people aren't aware of, or don't consider. |
| 19:04.52 | JoshH | that makes sense, but you would think they could afford to at least give the bishops and so forth some compensation for the many hours they spend doing their thing |
| 19:05.32 | levi | I don't think it's a matter of not being able to afford it so much as it would change the nature of the calling and service. |
| 19:05.43 | JoshH | also, i was wondering about how they pay for things like the city creek center |
| 19:05.56 | JoshH | they say that no tithing money is used, just money from the businesses and investments and all that |
| 19:06.13 | JoshH | but weren't those originally obtained with tithing money in the first plae? |
| 19:06.22 | harleypig | JoshH: There is the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ... that company holds all of the business funds. |
| 19:07.03 | JoshH | i don't think there is anything wrong with that, and i'm glad they are spending money to make SLC more interesting, but i do wonder how they keep the stuff separated |
| 19:08.38 | levi | Well, like harleypig said, it's a separate corporation. |
| 19:09.33 | JoshH | so does the business arm pay for things like temples and wards, or is that all done with tithing? |
| 19:09.43 | harleypig | It's not that hard to make money on the stock market when you've got God telling you when to buy long and sell short. |
| 19:09.51 | JoshH | and the welfare, etc |
| 19:10.25 | levi | That stuff is handled by the church, not the business. |
| 19:10.28 | harleypig | JoshH: Tithing is for church buildings (chapels, stake centers, temples, other properties, etc.) |
| 19:10.45 | JoshH | i've always been curious about the connection between the tithing/religious aspect of it, and the business end |
| 19:11.12 | JoshH | but trying to learn about it online is a waste of time, you just end up reading anti-mormon stuff and the pro-mormom rebuttals |
| 19:11.56 | harleypig | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alds.org+tithing&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 19:12.31 | elg | levi: I wasn't sure what i'd say if they'd sprung eq pres on me. the next few months are going to be a race against the clock and the last thing I need is eq pres time commitment and guilt on my shoulders |
| 19:12.46 | tensai | ~guilt elg |
| 19:12.57 | JoshH | everquest president? sounds fun |
| 19:15.20 | elg | elders quorum - the group of men age 18 to 50ish (the men that aren't high priests). aka the most boring group in the church |
| 19:15.42 | elg | and aside from bishopric level callings, one of the more time-intensive |
| 19:16.23 | elg | it's worse than herding cats |
| 19:16.32 | unum | in my ward the relief society presidency calling is worse |
| 19:16.58 | unum | we used to only have 20 elders and there was 60 sisters |
| 19:17.23 | elg | but i bet 2/3 of the sisters do their visits without harping, and 1/3 of the elders do their visits *with* harping |
| 19:17.24 | JoshH | i bet the single elders liked that |
| 19:17.59 | levi | I was EQ Pres for a while, and I hated it. |
| 19:19.08 | unum | they guys didn't harp, they just didn't do it |
| 19:19.24 | unum | of course the old eq president would cherry pick the active people for himself |
| 19:19.35 | unum | and assign the people that no one had ever met to me |
| 19:19.49 | unum | the new president doesn't do that |
| 19:20.22 | unum | of course it made it easy for me. "ya I called them all and left messages" |
| 19:20.40 | maquis | lol |
| 19:21.03 | JoshH | i'd setup a mailing list for it |
| 19:21.10 | elg | our bishop has one of those natural guilt trip personalities |
| 19:21.12 | unum | "my companion hasn't returned my message either, nor does he ever answer his door" |
| 19:21.25 | elg | and i hate the phone and visiting people already. it wouldn't have been pretty |
| 19:21.51 | unum | oh he got married and moved to idaho you say. well I'll give you a call to go with me if any of my people call me back |
| 19:22.04 | elg | in other news, I did all my home teaching this month. i think that's a feat I accomplish about once a year :) |
| 19:23.11 | levi | I also despise making phone calls, and I don't really like visiting people either. |
| 19:23.53 | JoshH | of course, geeks hate any communication that isn't IRC |
| 19:23.58 | fozzmoo | levi: I always pictured you as the social type. ;-) |
| 19:24.01 | JoshH | and sometimes even that |
| 19:24.08 | elg | email's ok |
| 19:24.17 | levi | Phone calls for me go beyond dislike to a mild phobia or something. I've got a lot better at them, but I subconsciously put them off as long as possible. |
| 19:24.18 | elg | and instant message, which is really just a parody of IRC |
| 19:24.21 | JoshH | email is ok if it's plain text |
| 19:24.24 | fozzmoo | Too bad you can't help someone move sitting at your computer. |
| 19:24.27 | elg | levi: ditto |
| 19:24.37 | JoshH | you can hire movers online |
| 19:24.41 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:24.57 | elg | eh, helping people move isn't a big deal. calling the quorum of reluctant bums to find 3 people to help someone move is pure torture |
| 19:24.59 | levi | fozzmoo: I was actually on a welcoming committee in my singles ward, and I got to really enjoy doing those visits. But associated phone calls? No thanks. |
| 19:25.02 | fozzmoo | "Now when you show up, don't tell them you're from XYZ movers, tell them you're from 'the ward.'" |
| 19:25.20 | maquis | is glad that there are other people who have phone-phobia |
| 19:25.37 | JoshH | what do you talk about when you call people on the phone? |
| 19:25.42 | fozzmoo | I hate talking on the phone a lot more now than I used to. |
| 19:25.44 | JoshH | "hey, just checking up on you" |
| 19:25.46 | fozzmoo | Thanks to cell phones. |
| 19:26.05 | elg | fozzmoo: because nobody can hear you? or because you can't escape? |
| 19:26.11 | fozzmoo | The overall sound quality of telephone conversations has taken a big nose dive. |
| 19:26.16 | maquis | my VT companon is unofficially responsible for setting up all our VT appointments... |
| 19:26.59 | maquis | unfortunately, i think i'm responsible for them this month, since her baby was just born last week |
| 19:27.23 | fozzmoo | Where I used to be completely comfortable making a social phone call, say, when I was in high school... I dread it now because 1 out of 3 times, I can barely hear the party on the other side of the call or the other person is on a crappy cell or VOIP line and they sound like they're talking into a big trashcan. |
| 19:27.29 | unum | I'm responsible for a %100 of everything in my compianship |
| 19:27.35 | elg | december is easy. if nothing else you just make christmas cookies and drop them off |
| 19:27.39 | elg | or go caroling |
| 19:27.51 | JoshH | i'd die before i went caroling |
| 19:27.57 | maquis | fozzmoo: i've never been comfortable calling anyone except family and close friends |
| 19:27.58 | unum | I have had very brief periods in my active adult life where I have not been |
| 19:28.05 | maquis | even as a teen |
| 19:28.20 | elg | didn't talk on the phone much as a teen, but i wasn't afraid of it |
| 19:28.22 | levi | Yay, I got an A in my programming languages class. One of two. |
| 19:28.23 | fozzmoo | maquis: You know what helped me... when I was 10 or 11, a neighbor made me a highly illegal AM transmitter in exchange for my feeding his cats. |
| 19:28.28 | elg | except when the girl i had a crush on would be on the other end ;-) |
| 19:28.28 | Tene | My GF also phone-phobia. |
| 19:28.38 | JoshH | guys in general don't like talking on the phone unless it's about something that needs to be talked about |
| 19:28.39 | elg | i must have almost dialed that number a gazillion time |
| 19:28.50 | JoshH | we can't just sit down and talk just to talk like girls can |
| 19:28.50 | fozzmoo | As a result, I spent my early pre-teen and teen years with a microphone in my hand and delusions of grandeur. |
| 19:29.21 | maquis | JoshH: not all girls can talk just to talk on phones |
| 19:29.22 | maquis | i can't |
| 19:29.26 | fozzmoo | (and playing lots of Styx for my imaginary audience.) |
| 19:29.33 | maquis | i an sit down and talk just to talk in person, if i know the person okay |
| 19:29.39 | elg | heh |
| 19:29.40 | levi | fozzmoo: Now you've replaced the microphone with a keyboard and internet connection. ;) |
| 19:29.53 | fozzmoo | levi: I felt that one coming. :) |
| 19:29.57 | unum | I don't think are president or first counselor do their home teaching |
| 19:30.00 | JoshH | if my mother in law calls my wife, no matter what time of day or what it's about, i have to leave her alone for at least an hour while they go on and on about nothing |
| 19:30.02 | unum | s/are/our |
| 19:30.08 | maquis | JoshH: lol |
| 19:30.24 | maquis | JoshH: that's at least family |
| 19:30.24 | elg | thanks heaven for caller id |
| 19:30.42 | unum | I have trouble with this girl I'm seeing because I often want to talk to her and to me that means seeing her |
| 19:30.45 | elg | I never have to answer the m-i-l calls. we're cordial but she wants to talk and i just want to hand off the phone |
| 19:30.46 | fozzmoo | elg: Agreed! |
| 19:30.58 | maquis | elg: lol |
| 19:31.07 | unum | she keeps saying she availiable to me because I can call her and I keep trying to tell her that doesn't count |
| 19:31.08 | fozzmoo | Except, this morning, I ignored a call from a toll-free number thinking it was a sales or marketing call... |
| 19:31.11 | JoshH | i never even answer it when it's her |
| 19:31.18 | JoshH | if my wife can't make it to the phone in time, she will call her back |
| 19:31.24 | fozzmoo | it was card services confirming the $5k or so I've spent on my credit card this last couple days. |
| 19:31.24 | JoshH | even if her cell phone is right next to me |
| 19:31.29 | maquis | usually when my mom calls scott, it's because i didn't answer my phone... she'll ask how he's doing, and then either ask for me or leave a message for me |
| 19:31.29 | fozzmoo | So, I should have taken that. |
| 19:31.44 | levi | Whoops. |
| 19:31.50 | fozzmoo | One thing that will help me in the future is IP Relay. |
| 19:31.56 | fozzmoo | My wife has shown it to me a couple times. |
| 19:32.03 | elg | i usually answer the calls from toll-free numbers because telemarketers don't have our number |
| 19:32.03 | fozzmoo | Free service. You can use it with AIM. |
| 19:32.05 | maquis | my dad sometimes calls just to talk to scott... but yeah... |
| 19:32.08 | levi | I usually answer marketing calls to tell them to take me off their lists. |
| 19:32.08 | elg | not even the politicians have our number |
| 19:32.14 | elg | one of the benefits of voip |
| 19:32.25 | fozzmoo | You ask them to originate the call, thjey call you and other party and then transcribe the other side of the conversation into AIM for you. |
| 19:32.29 | maquis | fozzmoo: online purchases? |
| 19:32.36 | unum | hunts down elg's number |
| 19:32.46 | fozzmoo | maquis: Yeah- I bought a LCD TV last night... and then I had to pick up some Xeons for work this morning. |
| 19:32.58 | unum | the funny thing is I think we get most of our numbers for political surveys from the form people fill out to register to vote |
| 19:33.03 | elg | my caller id comes to my jabber acct so i don't even have to find the phone to know i don't want to answer it |
| 19:33.12 | fozzmoo | elg: That rocks. |
| 19:33.48 | unum | we're having trouble with our voip settings. it's not supposed to display our number but it does... |
| 19:49.30 | Tene | Who runs openclue? |
| 19:54.38 | gabegundy | runs OpenClue if you can call it that. |
| 19:55.23 | Tene | Wondering if I should ask for my blog to be added too. All the other cool people are there. Only parrot-related posts so far, though. |
| 19:56.01 | gabegundy | I've been really bad about keeping it up or improving it. |
| 19:56.12 | Tene | I can't quite tell if there's a theme to openclue beyond "blogs of people in utah involved in open source" |
| 19:56.29 | gabegundy | Not cause I don't enjoy it, I've just been super duper busy. |
| 19:56.37 | gabegundy | that's about it. |
| 19:57.12 | Tene | http://blogs.gurulabs.com/stephen/atom.xml then. |
| 19:57.20 | gabegundy | Clint has put up planetplanet based feed at utos. This one is run with feedjack. |
| 19:57.28 | gabegundy | K |
| 19:58.20 | gabegundy | As you my (or may not) know, my brother Jordan and I are up to our eyeballs in our start-up. |
| 19:58.31 | Tene | I didn't know. |
| 19:58.36 | fozzmoo | raises his hand |
| 19:58.38 | fozzmoo | knew. |
| 19:58.49 | gabegundy | All hobbies are on hold. |
| 19:59.17 | gabegundy | And OpenClue get neglected like everything else. |
| 19:59.30 | gabegundy | give a point to fozzmoo. |
| 19:59.49 | gabegundy | does a s/give/gives/ |
| 19:59.57 | fozzmoo | doesn't know what the hell gabegundy and jordy are up to... but he knows they're up to something. |
| 20:00.01 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 20:00.38 | gabegundy | It's not that we are trying to be secretive, we just don't take much time to tell the story. |
| 20:01.37 | gabegundy | We are building a hosted time and attendance application (time clock). |
| 20:02.29 | fozzmoo | A buddy of mine was telling me he was doing some contract work doing marketing for a company that is developing a "paperless system" for law/accounting/real-estate offices. |
| 20:02.34 | fozzmoo | Of course, the whole thing runs on Winbloze. |
| 20:02.48 | gabegundy | It's got a remote/mobile slant. |
| 20:02.55 | fozzmoo | gabegundy: That's cool. |
| 20:03.22 | fozzmoo | When I had my windshield replaced by Safelite this last year, I was impressed with their system. |
| 20:03.46 | gabegundy | fozzmoo: Let's hope. Right now we have the web portion and are working on the VoIP, iPhone and Android angles. |
| 20:03.46 | fozzmoo | The installer entered all my information in on his cell phone and then he had some printer thingie in his van. |
| 20:03.56 | gabegundy | That is cool. |
| 20:04.01 | levi | o/~ "Safelite repair, Safelite replace." o/~ |
| 20:04.36 | gabegundy | Well with GPS and workers becoming more remote all the time, we hope the demand will be there. |
| 20:04.46 | fozzmoo | Certainly has potential. |
| 20:05.33 | gabegundy | Built on 100% Open Source --we think that's a huge advantage over the competition. |
| 20:05.38 | fozzmoo | nods |
| 20:06.29 | levi | What in particular about being 100% Open Source makes it a huge advantage over the competition, from a business point of view? |
| 20:06.54 | fozzmoo | Lower cost of entry. |
| 20:07.01 | fozzmoo | Higher quality product. |
| 20:07.04 | gabegundy | Linux, Python, Django, FreeSWITCH, Twisted, PostgreSQL, Postfix, lighthttpd etc. |
| 20:07.51 | gabegundy | I can't imagine doing it ourselves (as in bootstrapping) without that advantage. |
| 20:07.54 | levi | Well, I mean the '100%' part. |
| 20:08.48 | gabegundy | One good admin can configure and run 100 servers with the right tools. |
| 20:08.51 | fozzmoo | levi: warm fuzzies, of course. |
| 20:09.22 | levi | That's a valid reason, but not really a *business* reason. |
| 20:09.33 | fozzmoo | gabegundy: My wife was showing me a site the other day... deviceanywhere, I think it's called. |
| 20:09.35 | gabegundy | Everything is done via apt-get (sub with yum if you like). |
| 20:09.39 | fozzmoo | Could be very useful for you guys. |
| 20:09.55 | tensai | gabegundy: advantage for you or advantage for your customers? |
| 20:09.57 | fozzmoo | Let's you buy time for testing on lots of different mobile devices. |
| 20:09.59 | levi | I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just curious if there's a real business reason. |
| 20:10.12 | gabegundy | fozzmoo: that's cool. |
| 20:10.29 | tensai | gabegundy: I'm also curious as to why you chose freeswitch |
| 20:11.12 | gabegundy | levi: Sure it is. We would be out of cash without the tools that we have. No cash == no business. |
| 20:11.47 | gabegundy | tensai: Easier to work with then Asterisk for what we are doing. |
| 20:12.02 | elg | what a headline |
| 20:12.02 | elg | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7784987.stm |
| 20:12.09 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | US anti-kidnap expert kidnapped] |
| 20:14.10 | *** join/#utah brasto (n=brasto@slcl007.digis.net) |
| 20:17.03 | gabegundy | tensai: Asterisk will have a place. We are using it for our public facing phones, just not application stuffs. |
| 20:20.30 | mrpull | I replaced a 32 bit Centos box with a 64 bit and now I'm having issues with NTFS-3G and Fuse |
| 20:20.52 | mrpull | I followed the instructions on the centos tips and tricks wiki |
| 20:21.48 | mrpull | life is not good at this point |
| 20:27.13 | gabegundy | BTW, when we can afford it, the service will be free to Open Source developers. Kinda like the what Wingware has done. |
| 20:29.03 | gabegundy | Read about it here http://www.wingware.com/store/prices under "Free Licenses for Non-Commercial Open Source Developers" |
| 20:29.51 | gabegundy | Except we wouldn't limit it to Non-Commercial (who's keeping hours and job info that's NOT commercial?). |
| 20:30.56 | gabegundy | better get back to work. |
| 20:33.52 | ^Migs^ | I love trade publications |
| 20:33.59 | ^Migs^ | I totally whore myself out for those |
| 20:34.16 | ^Migs^ | are there any good FOSS trade pubs? |
| 20:39.36 | gabegundy | Tene: You're up (OpenClue). |
| 20:40.06 | Tene | gabegundy: thanks |
| 20:40.13 | gabegundy | pn |
| 20:40.14 | gabegundy | np |
| 21:05.04 | unum | has been working on an electronic time clock |
| 21:05.17 | maquis | wants new headphones sometime.... |
| 21:06.48 | unum | meeting canceled, now what to do instead |
| 21:06.53 | maquis | o/~ don't be afraid, i've taken my beating... i've shed but i'm me... i'm strong on the surface, not all the way through. i've never been perfect, but neither have you... o/~ |
| 21:29.47 | mrpull | ok. life is good (no thanks to you suckers ;-) ) |
| 21:30.03 | mrpull | I had a newer version of kernel-devel installed than the running kernel |
| 21:30.21 | mrpull | a little dependency hell is still alive and well in centos land |
| 22:09.14 | levi | maquis: Good headphones are nice to have. :) |
| 22:09.49 | elg | this is neat |
| 22:09.49 | elg | http://www.estandmusic.com/shop/eStands/?u=&g=1&o=&c=1&b=1 |
| 22:09.53 | brac | [eStand.com: eStand Hardware - Hardware Catalog] |
| 22:10.22 | elg | though ridiculously expensive |
| 22:11.18 | elg | a tablet and some simple software comes to mind. but a low-power dedicated-purpose digital music stand would conceivably be cheaper |
| 22:11.40 | elg | methinks digital paper would be cooler |
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| 22:13.20 | jsmith-teaching | elg: E-ink! |
| 22:13.29 | eightyeight | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Open-Sesame.aspx |
| 22:15.18 | elg | that's not a wtf |
| 22:15.22 | elg | that's awesome |
| 22:15.33 | tensai | elg: the tablet is only $500. it's the foot pedal that's expensive. |
| 22:16.02 | goozbach | the seeker is a jedi http://www.hulu.com/watch/48318/legend-of-the-seeker-bounty?c=746:774 |
| 22:16.05 | elg | :) |
| 22:16.35 | eightyeight | elg: i was expecting to read about a cron job to open it every day at 08:00 and lock it every day at 17:00, or something similiar. :) |
| 22:16.58 | elg | well, a cron job would be dumb, though it does come to mind at first |
| 22:17.13 | elg | better would be some kind of thing where it opens in response to a text message |
| 22:17.18 | elg | sms -> email etc. |
| 22:17.38 | tensai | set up an ssh tunnel that was triggered via email |
| 22:17.41 | elg | but for a one-day solution, telephone the sysadmin is really the most practical |
| 22:18.08 | tensai | I think I got credit for it in a class, too |
| 22:18.15 | eightyeight | yeah. it's beautiful. vpn -> ssh -> eject. |
| 22:19.26 | jsmith-teaching | elg: Why not use Asterisk and have a (hopefully authenticated!) phone call do the eject? |
| 22:19.36 | jsmith-teaching | elg: Isn't that faster/easier than an SMS? |
| 22:19.49 | elg | totally! |
| 22:19.51 | jsmith-teaching | exten => 1234,1,Authenticate(5555) |
| 22:19.56 | elg | well, it depends on who you are |
| 22:20.00 | jsmith-teaching | exten => 1234,2,System(eject) |
| 22:20.05 | elg | some people can probably text faster than they can make a phone call |
| 22:20.16 | elg | but yeah, it would be easier to set up |
| 22:21.54 | elg | great |
| 22:22.22 | elg | my root-canaled tooth (which doesn't have the crown yet) has left my bite open to where two of those metal fillings touch |
| 22:22.33 | elg | when I bite down there, it's like chewing on tinfoil |
| 22:22.41 | elg | and the crown appt isn't until the 30th |
| 22:22.45 | eightyeight | i bet that feels good |
| 22:22.56 | elg | maybe it'll cure me of my mild teeth-grinding habit. :) |
| 22:37.45 | tensai | elg: a little silicone caulk will fix that up nicely |
| 22:38.04 | elg | ~smash tensai |
| 22:38.05 | ibot | ACTION flings an anvil in tensai's general direction |
| 22:38.15 | tensai | ~root canal elg |
| 22:38.16 | ibot | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all canal elg 's boxen. |
| 22:41.19 | elg | heh, virtual air guitar |
| 22:41.26 | elg | http://airguitar.tml.hut.fi/ |
| 22:41.48 | elg | nobody can call this corner of academia stuffy, anyhow |
| 22:43.23 | fozzmoo | wonders what he's going to do with all these hotswap sled blanks! |
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| 23:05.01 | maquis | levi: yes, they are |
| 23:05.11 | maquis | (just an hour or two late with that response) |
| 23:05.15 | tensai | oc3 ftw! |
| 23:10.00 | goozbach | yay! just requested another block of IP addresses |
| 23:10.12 | maquis | what's oc3? |
| 23:10.31 | eightyeight | blazing fast tubes |
| 23:14.49 | mrpull | bah... only 155 Mbps ;-/ |
| 23:15.05 | eightyeight | if only i had those speeds |
| 23:22.20 | maquis | yawns |
| 23:22.32 | maquis | for some reason, my phone seems to be on utah |
| 23:22.33 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:29.28 | harleypig | maquis: its homesick |
| 23:30.19 | Heartsbane | mrpull: trouble maker |
| 23:30.45 | mrpull | Heartsbane: I've been laying low |
| 23:30.48 | mrpull | no trouble here |
| 23:31.00 | maquis | harleypig: unfortunately, i'm referring to my work phone here |
| 23:31.03 | mrpull | I've gone soft |
| 23:31.14 | Heartsbane | ya afterall a OC3 is way to slow :) |
| 23:32.03 | mrpull | Heartsbane: it can be if you have 3+ Gbps at your disposal |
| 23:32.37 | Heartsbane | Hey anyone know if there is a open source version of stratego my nephew wants me to get it for him for Xmas, and I can't find it any of the stores |
| 23:33.11 | mrpull | amazon has Stretego... I haven't seen an OS version |
| 23:33.11 | Heartsbane | mrpull: I guess |
| 23:33.16 | maquis | anyone here ever noticed how hard it is to type "workflow"? |
| 23:33.19 | Heartsbane | really? |
| 23:33.29 | RyanE | like 'workflow'? |
| 23:33.50 | RyanE | hmmm... not that hard. now, 'antidisestablishmentarianism', that's a little harder. |
| 23:33.56 | maquis | RyanE: i do all types of things like worfklow and worklfow, and sometimes even worlkfow |
| 23:34.02 | JoshH | bah, only 3+ Gbps? |
| 23:34.13 | mrpull | JoshH: yeah... I know I know |
| 23:34.14 | maquis | antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 23:34.18 | RyanE | I've been typing since 7th grade, and I'm 40+, so I guess I've had a bit more practice. :) |
| 23:34.30 | maquis | RyanE: it's just not a word i type a lot |
| 23:34.34 | RyanE | workflow workflow workflow workflow |
| 23:34.39 | maquis | and it's got too many letters that keep trying to come out of order |
| 23:34.41 | RyanE | now I'm just showing off. :) |
| 23:35.02 | maquis | hmmm... i just tried to write it four times, and came up with workflwo each time |
| 23:35.15 | maquis | workflwo workflwo workflwo workflwo |
| 23:35.20 | unum | has been typing since he was four |
| 23:35.24 | RyanE | maquis: textbook case of your left hand not knowing what your right hand is doing. :) |
| 23:35.34 | maquis | RyanE: yeah... i think that's most of the probelm |
| 23:35.37 | RyanE | I've been typing since long before my first type class. |
| 23:35.37 | unum | which is probably sometime after RyanE entered the 7th grade |
| 23:35.44 | maquis | which is supposed to be a good thing, i suppose |
| 23:36.05 | RyanE | but to give you a timeframe, we were lucky. We had 4 out of the 30 typewriters in class were IBM Selectrics. The rest were all 'manual'. |
| 23:36.11 | unum | Heartsbane: I thought I had seen it in a linux distro |
| 23:36.13 | unum | hunts |
| 23:36.14 | maquis | i've been typing since i was little... family got a mac classic when i was 3, and i grew up with that and a few other computers |
| 23:36.31 | unum | I found it at target it's part of the "classic" set in wooden boxes |
| 23:37.06 | Heartsbane | unum: thx I might just give him a PC with linux on it... you know stratego++ |
| 23:37.40 | mrpull | a good chess simulator is better than stratego anyway right? |
| 23:38.07 | unum | I can't find it now |
| 23:38.13 | unum | prefers stratego |
| 23:38.22 | unum | but I don't think it was single player :( |
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| 23:38.56 | Heartsbane | thanx anyway |
| 23:39.06 | Heartsbane | I will figure it out |
| 23:39.31 | unum | I saw a version at b&n that had the political parties as opposing sides |
| 23:39.48 | unum | I saw the version I picked up at target a few weeks ago |
| 23:40.02 | unum | of course I also got the one from b&n |
| 23:40.37 | mrpull | can each piece only move one square per turn? it's been 20 years since I played stratego |
| 23:42.18 | jshipley | I believe that there's one piece that can move as far as it wants, but the rest only move one |
| 23:43.30 | jshipley | "Scouts can be moved across any number of vacant squares either forward, backward or sideways." |
| 23:46.58 | mrpull | I'm playing solo-dad tonight... I hope my kids are nice |
| 23:47.06 | RyanE | but no diagonals. diagonal is *of the devil*... |
| 23:55.54 | maquis | mrpull: i'm sure they'll be just like they are when your wife plays solo-mom... |
| 23:55.56 | maquis | :P |
| 23:56.33 | harleypig | maquis: nah ... they'll either be on their best behavior or their worst ... |
| 23:56.57 | harleypig | Whoever has them the most will have the most even experience with them :> |
| 23:57.01 | mrpull | maquis: they know mom is business |
| 23:57.07 | mrpull | they think I just like to play |
| 23:57.09 | maquis | lol |
| 23:57.18 | maquis | mrpull: that means that you're more fun... right? |
| 23:57.22 | maquis | harleypig: possible |
| 23:57.26 | maquis | like i know :) |
| 23:57.36 | mrpull | they know I give easier than she does |
| 23:57.45 | mrpull | so they like to test my limits |
| 23:57.54 | harleypig | of course ... that's kids purpose in life. |
| 23:57.58 | mrpull | this is when I miss summer |
| 23:58.13 | mrpull | if it was summer I'd take them to the park and run them in circles till they are sleepy |
| 23:58.15 | harleypig | Send them into the back yard and listen for screams of pain ... otherwise your good. |
| 23:58.34 | mrpull | harleypig: that is the summer MO |
| 23:59.10 | harleypig | even then, if there's no blood spurting or limbs at odd angles you just throw a shoe at'em and tell them to behave ... |
| 23:59.14 | harleypig | }:> |
| 23:59.35 | harleypig | make sure it's one of their shoes ... gives you something to yell about later. |