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| 00:00.54 | zzzirk | heh, not the massacre I was thinking of I guess |
| 00:01.32 | Heartsbane | pashdown: wow I skipped NPR to listen to a audiobook |
| 00:01.46 | Heartsbane | my dad just called me to ask what I thought |
| 00:01.57 | Heartsbane | and I had no idea what he was talking about |
| 00:02.27 | pashdown | chicago politics as usual |
| 00:02.45 | harleypig | zzzirk: I'd forgotten about Al Capone's little contribution to history. |
| 00:02.54 | zzzirk | yup |
| 00:02.56 | Heartsbane | They still have a governor in prison if I remember correctly |
| 00:03.07 | Heartsbane | now I guess they will have 2 |
| 00:03.08 | zzzirk | yeah, the last governor |
| 00:06.08 | Heartsbane | pashdown: I wonder if they will have to have a runoff for governor before they can appoint for US senator |
| 00:06.44 | pashdown | don't they have a lt governor? |
| 00:07.50 | Heartsbane | ya good point... I bet Fitzgerald already tapped his phone too... |
| 00:07.52 | Heartsbane | lol |
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| 00:36.45 | Sargun | Heartsbane, People in Utah think, I thought they go to the church whenever they felt an independent thought coming along. |
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| 00:38.17 | harleypig | Sargun: oooo ... nasty ... |
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| 02:36.09 | lukfugl | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:36.10 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:36.10 | ibot | onjoin for lukfugl set by brac on Fri Oct 17 10:02:14 2008: The irssi site is to read it if their mothers know |
| 02:36.32 | lukfugl | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:36.32 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:36.32 | ibot | onjoin for lukfugl set by brac on Fri Oct 17 10:02:14 2008: The irssi site is to read it if their mothers know |
| 02:36.34 | lukfugl | hmmm |
| 02:37.24 | lukfugl | -chat elg |
| 02:37.25 | brac | elg is in '/etc/pam.d/su', then only members of my mouth doesn't need to shadow the whole file |
| 02:37.35 | elg | -lart lukfugl |
| 02:37.35 | brac | tickles lukfugl until they wet their pants and pass out |
| 02:38.01 | elg | what brings you? |
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| 02:38.41 | lukfugl | need for background noise while attending uv.rb |
| 02:38.50 | elg | that exciting? |
| 02:40.54 | Nafai | lukfugl: That the meeting at Mozy? |
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| 02:49.59 | elg | -lar shansen |
| 02:50.05 | elg | -lart shansen |
| 02:50.05 | brac | makes shansen watch reruns of "Blue's Clues" |
| 02:50.32 | elg | wonders if shansen would pick that nick if he knew better |
| 02:51.02 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Now run by gold hoarding expatriates. |
| 02:52.05 | shansen | hmm? |
| 02:52.24 | elg | you look rather like sjansen |
| 02:52.33 | elg | who isn't here to defend himself |
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| 02:56.08 | elg | ~onjoin lukfugl the cow is eating grass |
| 02:56.09 | ibot | ok, elg |
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| 02:56.14 | elg | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:56.29 | elg | ~onjoin lukfugl the only thing is green |
| 02:56.29 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 02:56.33 | elg | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:56.33 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl the cow is eating grass |
| 02:56.33 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 02:56.39 | elg | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:56.46 | elg | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:56.46 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl the cow is eating grass |
| 02:56.46 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 02:56.49 | lukfugl | at least he says something for you |
| 02:56.54 | lukfugl | unlike for me |
| 02:57.04 | elg | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 02:57.05 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl the only one time |
| 02:57.05 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 02:57.14 | elg | -lart lukfugl |
| 02:57.14 | brac | puts "alias vim=emacs" in lukfugl's /etc/profile |
| 02:57.58 | Nafai | And that's a problem? :) |
| 02:58.11 | lukfugl | nooooo |
| 03:04.03 | Reilithion | Where did the word "lart" even come from anyway? |
| 03:04.29 | lukfugl | luser attitude readjustment tool |
| 03:05.41 | Reilithion | ah |
| 03:09.08 | lukfugl | similar to a "cluebat" |
| 03:11.16 | Reilithion | heh |
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| 03:13.22 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 03:13.22 | brac | Forces elg to learn the Win32 API |
| 03:13.35 | Reilithion | Oh goddess |
| 03:13.48 | Reilithion | That's not an attitude readjustment tool. It's torture. |
| 03:14.09 | lukfugl | what better way to adjust attitudes? |
| 03:16.35 | Reilithion | I'm pretty sure there's a Geneva convention-type problem here. |
| 03:17.12 | levi | You thing the BOFH plays by Geneva convention rules? |
| 03:17.18 | levi | s/thing/think/ |
| 03:18.06 | Reilithion | Remind me what the BOFH is |
| 03:18.20 | lukfugl | bastard operator from hell |
| 03:18.25 | Reilithion | oh yeah |
| 03:19.46 | levi | Which is, alas, already fading into dim history. |
| 03:20.31 | levi | Except there's a current BOFH column at The Register. |
| 03:21.38 | levi | By the same guy, even. |
| 03:27.39 | lukfugl | hmm, so my synaptic just stated getting wonky |
| 03:27.45 | lukfugl | when I try to reload packages (i.e. aptitude update): "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://mirrors.xmission.com hardy Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2" |
| 03:27.51 | lukfugl | a few of that sort, and a few others like "W: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/Release" |
| 03:27.58 | lukfugl | nm, apparently I'd been hiccuped of the wireless, and it wanted my to reenter my guest password for http |
| 03:28.00 | lukfugl | did that and synaptic is happy anew |
| 03:28.21 | levi | Whoops. |
| 03:29.03 | levi | Ugh, this Python assignment is bigger than I thought. |
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| 06:43.20 | vontrapp | how do i tell firefox to NEVER EVER EVER EVER ANYTIME WHATSOEVER allow a page to resize the browser window? |
| 06:58.43 | Sargun | rm -rf `which firefox` |
| 07:00.33 | Supaplex | iceweasel 'http://google.com/search?q=EFAIL+Sargun' ;) |
| 07:07.49 | Tene | vontrapp: ideally, your window manager would help you out there. |
| 07:08.00 | Tene | I know that e17 does an excellent job of that. |
| 07:08.22 | Tene | just click on the window icon and choose 'locks' and you can lock whatever you want from app modification, user modification, or both. |
| 07:22.35 | Supaplex | edit, preferences, javascript, advanced, allow script to: ... |
| 07:30.17 | Sargun | what's the best virtualization method with decent network support. |
| 07:30.28 | Sargun | I'm leaning to Vmware, but I've had bad experience in the past. |
| 07:30.36 | Sargun | Xen, and virtual box are out of the question |
| 07:30.39 | Sargun | suck too much |
| 07:31.19 | Sargun | qemu? |
| 07:36.40 | Supaplex | vserver |
| 07:40.20 | Tene | Sargun: kvm? |
| 07:40.32 | Sargun | I'm thinking of using KVM |
| 07:40.45 | Sargun | I've got to upgrade my bios first |
| 07:40.58 | Sargun | this looks REALLY neat: http://lxc.sourceforge.net/network.php |
| 07:41.00 | brac | [Linux Containers - Network Namespace] |
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| 07:42.31 | Keighvin | ~lart harleypig |
| 07:42.31 | ibot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays harleypig in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 07:42.47 | Keighvin | ~whalebomb redbeard2 |
| 07:42.47 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at redbeard2 and hides. |
| 07:44.46 | Sargun | Sadly, these are my CPU opts: |
| 07:44.48 | Sargun | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts sync_rdtsc pni monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 07:45.06 | Tene | lm is nice |
| 07:45.47 | Sargun | doesn't actually work. |
| 07:46.51 | Tene | ouch |
| 07:46.54 | Tene | what cpu? |
| 07:48.44 | Sargun | P4EE |
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| 08:50.52 | Supaplex | does the 1.6ghz atom have enough cpu flags to run xen hvm guests? |
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| 08:54.32 | Supaplex | humm so far results look grim. |
| 08:54.45 | Supaplex | oh well. zzzz's are calling me. laters! |
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| 09:10.14 | bassdesires | 04Hey. |
| 09:10.35 | bassdesires | 04So...is there anyone in here? |
| 09:16.46 | Sargun | ... |
| 09:16.46 | Sargun | wow |
| 12:56.33 | eightyeight | ooh. color |
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| 14:28.13 | elg | -metar klru |
| 14:28.15 | brac | KLRU 101411Z AUTO 29003KT 10SM CLR M04/M05 A3038 RMK AO2 |
| 14:28.30 | elg | goodbye tomatoes |
| 14:39.10 | elg | -chat it's now |
| 14:39.10 | brac | it's now |
| 14:39.14 | elg | -chat i wish |
| 14:39.14 | brac | i wish I had libertarian tendencies until this morning it started throwing I/O errors |
| 14:39.41 | eightyeight | -chat oh well |
| 14:39.42 | brac | oh well |
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| 14:54.32 | eightyeight | for those who haven't seen this already- http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html |
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| 15:26.09 | Tene | Interesting. |
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| 15:48.39 | harleypig | 39q8bwonsdjl |
| 15:52.19 | thaddeusq | writes down harleypig's password for later reference. |
| 15:52.25 | thaddeusq | :) |
| 15:55.35 | Tene | http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/ArchitectNotes? -- interesting |
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| 16:14.53 | harleypig | thaddeusq: :] that was random banging on the keyboard |
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| 16:30.42 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 17:00.09 | levi | So, I now agree with everyone who says Python sucks for functional programming. |
| 17:00.28 | eightyeight | oh? how come? |
| 17:01.13 | levi | Lexical scoping seems busted when returning a closure. |
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| 17:02.13 | levi | And too many of the built-ins modify things in place and don't return anything. |
| 17:02.28 | levi | And it doesn't have both foldl and foldr. |
| 17:02.40 | levi | And the lambda limitation that everyone talks about. |
| 17:02.48 | tensai | harleypig: sure it was |
| 17:05.04 | levi | So yeah, Python punishes you for doing un-Pythonic things. |
| 17:05.37 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:05.39 | levi | So Python can go take a long trip off a short plank. |
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| 17:12.19 | Tene | The last two posts on http://planet.parrotcode.org/ are exciting. Significant rakudo development in the past few days. |
| 17:16.21 | Nafai | levi: There's better choices out there, in the long run, like Factor and Haskell, anyway :) |
| 17:18.46 | levi | Nafai: Indeed, though Haskell still hurts my head. |
| 17:19.02 | levi | Haskell is Python for really smart people. |
| 17:19.18 | Nafai | Yeah, Haskell still hurts my head too |
| 17:19.36 | Nafai | But not in a "all this mental work feels unnecessary" way like C++ or Perl |
| 17:22.47 | Nafai | It's funny. I get a job to do Python programming *after* I lose interest in it |
| 17:22.56 | Nafai | It's better than the Java alternative, though |
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| 17:34.09 | levi | Python's not so bad as long as you're programming in Pythonic style. |
| 17:34.47 | tensai | http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/debunking-group-by-myths.html |
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| 17:34.51 | brac | [MySQL :: Debunking GROUP BY Myths] |
| 17:35.17 | tensai | news flash: mysql acts contrary to expectatations, claims everybody else is wrong |
| 17:36.32 | Supaplex | *yawn* m'morning |
| 17:36.45 | Supaplex | fungus: you're up early ;) |
| 17:37.27 | fungus | lol, not really. I'm almost starting to get used to this 9am early thing. |
| 17:37.51 | levi | Yeesh, I was up at 6:30 this morning feeding kids breakfast. |
| 17:37.53 | Supaplex | hah :) cool. |
| 17:39.02 | fungus | yikes, 6am. I used to complain mightily about getting up at 8:30am |
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| 17:46.36 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | sjansen's presenting at Plug tonight -- don't forget to pickup rotten fruit |
| 17:46.59 | harleypig | rummages through his closet looking for his fishnet stockings |
| 17:48.38 | harleypig | Hah! I scared one away! |
| 17:49.08 | zzzirk | sneaks past harleypig |
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| 17:50.05 | eightyeight | harleypig: keep it up! |
| 17:52.11 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | sjansen is presenting at Plug tonight -- don't forget to pick up rotten fruit |
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| 17:53.27 | harleypig | eightyeight: I'm workin' it! |
| 17:53.45 | harleypig | Is ibot spouting randomness now? |
| 17:54.04 | harleypig | Or did I miss his join notice |
| 17:55.50 | Jayce^ | you missed it |
| 17:55.52 | eightyeight | ~random |
| 17:55.52 | sjansen | ~random harleypig |
| 17:56.45 | harleypig | *blink* |
| 17:56.53 | harleypig | ~random monkey |
| 17:57.28 | harleypig | a turtle monkey ... |
| 17:57.57 | harleypig | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Monkeys |
| 18:00.23 | harleypig | Once you do me, you'll never flee! |
| 18:02.04 | eightyeight | http://www.enricozini.org/2008/tips/bash-indirection.html |
| 18:02.20 | sjansen | ~bash indirection |
| 18:02.21 | ibot | ACTION beats indirection with ksh |
| 18:04.21 | harleypig | that's certainly intuitive |
| 18:05.14 | harleypig | I mean, it's so obvious that ${!B} would de-reference B ... |
| 18:07.33 | sjansen | ~punish harleypig for accusing Bash of being intuitive |
| 18:07.34 | ibot | ACTION makes harleypig drink American beer for accusing Bash of being intuitive |
| 18:07.44 | sjansen | Uh oh.... |
| 18:08.07 | Jayce^ | funny, considering part of our discussion this morning about harleypig here at work.. |
| 18:08.55 | harleypig | Beer just tastes good ... I can't even get a buzz offa beer. |
| 18:08.57 | harleypig | *hic* |
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| 18:14.03 | Tene | harleypig: since when do you expect intuitiveness from shell scripting? |
| 18:14.22 | harleypig | needs to remember to include the sarcasm tags. |
| 18:20.42 | harleypig | http://qdb.us/144439 |
| 18:20.44 | brac | [QDB: Quote #144439] |
| 18:21.19 | harleypig | http://qdb.us/213047 |
| 18:21.20 | brac | [QDB: Quote #213047] |
| 18:22.35 | harleypig | .oOo. |
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| 18:22.46 | eightyeight | from our very own: http://qdb.us/143405 |
| 18:22.47 | brac | [QDB: Quote #143405] |
| 18:23.55 | Jayce^ | mrpull, way to go |
| 18:24.10 | harleypig | what a mental image |
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| 18:32.34 | zzzirk | damn, that's good for a chuckle |
| 18:34.35 | sjansen | ~language zzzirk |
| 18:34.36 | ibot | ACTION grabs zzzirk by the ear and washes zzzirk's mouth out with soap |
| 18:56.20 | goozbach | nnnoooo, I know I shouldn't click bash.org links. |
| 18:56.25 | goozbach | I can't stop myself |
| 18:56.53 | elg | those are qdb |
| 18:56.56 | elg | you're safe |
| 18:57.19 | elg | dangerous plugin: http://qdb.us/$rand |
| 18:57.33 | elg | http://qdb.us/123456 |
| 18:57.35 | brac | [QDB: Quote #123456] |
| 18:57.53 | elg | how anticlimactic |
| 18:59.04 | sjansen | ~climactic elg |
| 18:59.17 | elg | waits for octave to build |
| 19:05.52 | zzzirk | whoa... sorry, didn't realize french wasn't allowed |
| 19:06.18 | harleypig | parlez francois et bien |
| 19:06.25 | harleypig | blue language is not allowed |
| 19:06.40 | zzzirk | I didn't realize language had colors but that's cool |
| 19:07.16 | harleypig | However, mangling of the brains is not only allowed but encouraged. |
| 19:07.30 | zzzirk | sweet, I'm all for that |
| 19:07.33 | Jayce^ | shoves a stick blender in harleypig's ear |
| 19:09.40 | unum | last saturday a friend told me she's "going to get bunny ears so that she can get basic cable" |
| 19:09.58 | harleypig | ... |
| 19:12.04 | eightyeight | unum: let us know how that works out |
| 19:13.59 | goozbach | harleypig: thanks |
| 19:14.04 | goozbach | just wasted another hour |
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| 19:17.23 | harleypig | goozbach: yw |
| 19:17.33 | harleypig | don't forget xkcdb.com |
| 19:17.56 | unum | eightyeight: I think I(once again) made he feel stupid with my reply |
| 19:18.10 | unum | I've got to work on that |
| 19:18.22 | unum | or we'll continue to be "friends" |
| 19:23.31 | tensai | since mtorrie brought it up, is everybody ready for the digital ota conversion? |
| 19:24.14 | manithree | actually, I brought it up looking for a carpool to SLC Saturday |
| 19:25.48 | tensai | what're they doing at the focus group? |
| 19:25.55 | manithree | I dunno. |
| 19:26.36 | eightyeight | harleypig: thx for xkcdb.com. didn't know it existed. now i have to join the channel |
| 19:27.31 | harleypig | eightyeight: don't forget #xkcd-signal |
| 19:32.53 | tensai | there was a dtv test here a few weeks back. all the ota channels turned off their analog signals at the same time. apparently a few cable providers lost their feeds. |
| 19:34.08 | jsmith | tensai: After all their clever ads saying "If you use cable, you don't have to worry"? |
| 19:34.29 | tensai | jsmith: that's the ones |
| 19:35.50 | harleypig | http://www.daywithoutagay.org/ |
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| 19:36.09 | brac | [Day Without A Gay, December 10, 2008] |
| 19:36.21 | harleypig | It's not what it sounds like, but it's still funny. |
| 19:36.38 | harleypig | On December 10, 2008 the gay community will take a historic stance against hatred by donating love to a variety of different causes. |
| 19:36.42 | harleypig | Donating love?! |
| 19:36.48 | harleypig | That's bound to get messy. |
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| 20:00.32 | manithree | sjansen: You wanna hear my selinux question so you can decide whether or how to answer it tonight? |
| 20:01.12 | sjansen | manithree: Sure. |
| 20:02.47 | manithree | I know how to setsebool to allow apache to connect to the network, but what if I want to do something RH didn't make a knob for, like limit that to certain IP's or ports? |
| 20:04.29 | sjansen | manithree: Depending on what you want to do, Netfilter might be more appropriate than SELinux. |
| 20:05.27 | sjansen | You can use SELinux to limit what ports an application can bind to. I'll be talking a little about system-config-selinux, a tool that you can use to do basic customization of SELinux policy. |
| 20:05.41 | fozzmoo | ~seen jsmith |
| 20:05.43 | ibot | jsmith is currently on #asterisk-doc (3h 35m 9s) #fredlug (3h 35m 9s) #asterisk-dev (3h 35m 9s) #asterisk-bugs (3h 35m 9s) #utah (3h 35m 9s) #uphpu (3h 35m 9s). Has said a total of 116 messages. Is idling for 31m 35s, last said: 'tensai: After all their clever ads saying "If you use cable, you don't have to worry"?'. |
| 20:05.49 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yes? |
| 20:06.02 | jsmith | ~jsmith |
| 20:06.03 | ibot | i guess jsmith is perpetually hungry, or the co-author of Asterisk: The Future of Telephony |
| 20:06.13 | sjansen | But when you start talking about inspecting the content of packets, for example filtering on source or destination, that isn't what SELinux does. |
| 20:08.33 | sjansen | When I presented to SLLUG last month, I offered to do a follow up presentation talking about more advanced SELinux customization by writing custom policies by hand and using the new tools in F10. I'll probably do the same for Plug. |
| 20:09.18 | manithree | Cool. That's what I really want to know. Where is the "source" to RH's policies and how can I modify them. Even if my example wasn't a good one. |
| 20:16.34 | Tene | Think Plug would be interested in a presentation on Parrot? |
| 20:19.57 | levi | I would be interested. |
| 20:20.37 | Tene | Anything specific you'd be interested in? |
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| 20:26.56 | harleypig | I would too. |
| 20:27.07 | harleypig | Tene: specificity is overrated |
| 20:28.13 | levi | Stuff that's interesting. :) |
| 20:28.46 | Tene | Is there already a presentation scheduled for January, or could I present then? |
| 20:35.05 | Jayce^ | pokes rsimpkins to find out |
| 20:36.24 | Tene | I tried that earlier. It doesn't work so well. |
| 20:38.24 | Jayce^ | needs a longer stick |
| 20:38.34 | Jayce^ | can bug him tonight at PLUG :) |
| 20:38.45 | Tene | Please do. |
| 20:53.57 | elg | don't reckon anyone has matlab eh? |
| 21:00.58 | mrpull | elg: I've got a ten year old matlab disk down in my basement |
| 21:01.16 | elg | heh |
| 21:01.18 | Reilithion | elg: Is that anything like scilab? |
| 21:01.33 | elg | not familiar with scilab |
| 21:01.45 | Reilithion | http://www.scilab.org |
| 21:01.50 | brac | [Scilab Home Page] |
| 21:03.10 | elg | not exactly |
| 21:03.15 | elg | see also octave |
| 21:03.17 | elg | which is what i use |
| 21:03.30 | elg | but for this paper i'd like to run the performance figures in matlab too |
| 21:05.55 | RyanE | I heard that parrot is pining for the fjords. |
| 21:06.16 | Jayce^ | only with a million volts through 'em |
| 21:07.53 | tensai | don't make me find that xkcd cartoon |
| 21:08.08 | RyanE | tensai: heh |
| 21:14.44 | Tene | RyanE: oh? where did you hear that? |
| 21:15.39 | sjansen | Tene: You call that angry? |
| 21:15.57 | Tene | Approximately. Vaguely. Kinda. |
| 21:16.08 | sjansen | ~punch Tene |
| 21:16.09 | ibot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Tene right on the nose |
| 21:16.20 | Tene | I probably deserved that. |
| 21:16.41 | sjansen | Tene: You look like.... a Windows admin! |
| 21:16.48 | Tene | Yeah, I kinda do. |
| 21:18.00 | sjansen | Tene: How would you feel if I put hot sauce in your milk? |
| 21:18.18 | Tene | You mean the expired almond milk I threw away here yesterday? |
| 21:18.29 | Tene | I really wouldn't care at all. It was expired and not very tasty. |
| 21:18.33 | Tene | That's why I threw it away. |
| 21:18.39 | Tene | If you really want it, you can have it. |
| 21:18.49 | sjansen | gets up to walk in the other room and kick Tene in the shins |
| 21:18.59 | Tene | waits. |
| 21:19.13 | goozbach | misses being a guru |
| 21:19.28 | goozbach | and watching sjansen really go through with his irc action threats |
| 21:21.11 | Tene | He didn't kick me in the shins at all. |
| 21:21.13 | Tene | Not even once. |
| 21:21.14 | Tene | :( |
| 21:21.39 | Tene | prods RyanE |
| 21:21.40 | sjansen | Totally not worth it. Tene said the only way to make him mad was to ask politely. |
| 21:22.05 | sjansen | I tried to kick him! He cheated! He defended himself! |
| 21:22.30 | Tene | You didn't ask me not to. I thought that failing to resist would take the fun out of it for you. |
| 21:23.55 | Reilithion | Emily Post would be intrigued by the new species of polite behavior being bred at GuruLabs. |
| 21:24.32 | Tene | sjansen: would it make you feel better if I came in there and kicked myself in the shins for you? |
| 21:24.56 | Reilithion | Vid pls. |
| 21:25.13 | Tene | of what? |
| 21:25.13 | sjansen | Tene: Would kicking yourself in the shins make you angry? |
| 21:25.20 | Tene | sjansen: would you like it to? |
| 21:25.48 | Reilithion | Of you coming in there and kicking yourself in the shins for sjansen. |
| 21:26.02 | elg | ~die |
| 21:26.03 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:26.11 | sjansen | Tene: I've moved on. |
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| 21:26.33 | Tene | Reilithion: I have a camera, but you'll have to talk sjansen into it. |
| 21:26.34 | elg | ~move sjansen |
| 21:26.35 | ibot | ACTION packs up sjansen's stuff and drives it into the ocean. |
| 21:27.09 | sjansen | ~bless elg |
| 21:27.10 | ibot | elg: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 21:27.20 | sjansen | You just saved me _so_ much packing. |
| 21:27.34 | elg | ibot: i think you mean _\\// |
| 21:27.35 | ibot | You think you mean _\\//? |
| 21:28.33 | Reilithion | /s/\\\/\//_\\\\\/\// |
| 21:28.38 | sjansen | Shouldn't that be \\//_? |
| 21:30.11 | elg | perspective |
| 21:30.17 | elg | who wants to write my code today? |
| 21:30.22 | RyanE | Tene: Sorry, work interrupts IRC from time to time... :) |
| 21:30.27 | Reilithion | elg: How much will you pay me? |
| 21:30.30 | tensai | elg: depends, where do you want to go today? |
| 21:30.48 | elg | tensai: a good game of hockey sounds fun |
| 21:30.57 | elg | Reilithion: I'll mention you in a footnote |
| 21:31.05 | elg | of my autobiography |
| 21:31.13 | tensai | elg: I had a game of thermonuclear war all ready for you |
| 21:31.26 | Reilithion | No dice. |
| 21:31.37 | elg | alas, for anyone else to write it i'd have to tell you what to write |
| 21:31.39 | elg | which is the hard part |
| 21:31.43 | elg | and the unfun part |
| 21:31.44 | elg | so i still lose |
| 21:32.00 | sjansen | elg: I'll write yours if you'll write mine. |
| 21:32.08 | elg | "mine" |
| 21:32.11 | elg | your turn |
| 21:32.18 | Tene | RyanE: yes, co-workers can be very interrupting, what with the shin-kicking and bat-threatening. |
| 21:32.39 | sjansen | "that which does not pertain to me but instead to you" |
| 21:32.43 | RyanE | I work in a somewhat shin-kick-free zone |
| 21:32.52 | RyanE | I actually meant *work*, the means of production. |
| 21:33.18 | elg | vs development? |
| 21:33.18 | Tene | ah |
| 21:33.26 | Tene | I'm done with class for the day |
| 21:33.30 | Tene | time zones++ |
| 21:33.34 | RyanE | vs. 'work' interrupting me == bat in the shins |
| 21:33.43 | sjansen | cries silently as openoffice-impress installs on his laptop |
| 21:33.53 | elg | i'm not sure i'm familiar with that form of production |
| 21:34.20 | elg | sjansen: text files in web browsers ftw |
| 21:34.57 | elg | my root will be canal'd in under 48 hours |
| 21:35.06 | high_roller | sjansen: at least its not powerpoint |
| 21:35.13 | goozbach | anyone here tried openbox? |
| 21:35.18 | goozbach | and LXDE? |
| 21:35.19 | elg | the window manager? |
| 21:35.23 | goozbach | elg: yup |
| 21:35.25 | elg | dunno about lxde |
| 21:35.27 | elg | i like openbox |
| 21:35.30 | goozbach | I'm rather impressed |
| 21:35.34 | high_roller | I used to run windowmaker, which is similar |
| 21:35.39 | elg | i don't see how |
| 21:35.43 | goozbach | one thing missing, and that's window "affinity" |
| 21:35.48 | elg | if you mean, they both are lightweight and don't suck, I suppose |
| 21:35.55 | Reilithion | !karma "time zones" |
| 21:35.57 | sjansen | 48 hours of oral surgery? my sympathies. |
| 21:36.03 | elg | openbox is like blackbox or fluxbox without the suckage |
| 21:36.07 | goozbach | ie windows stay on the desktop they are opened on |
| 21:36.12 | elg | i guess openbox does have a dock or slit or whateve ryou call it |
| 21:36.20 | Tene | RyanE: so what were you saying about Parrot? |
| 21:36.23 | goozbach | I'm fighting my firefox popping up all over the place |
| 21:36.30 | goozbach | dock? slit? |
| 21:36.37 | elg | for windowmaker apps |
| 21:36.43 | elg | and other things, like gkrellm |
| 21:37.28 | goozbach | I haven't setup a dock I suppose then |
| 21:37.39 | high_roller | sorry was confused |
| 21:37.47 | elg | http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:FAQ#What_is_this_dock_I_hear_so_much_about.3F |
| 21:37.52 | goozbach | I was a fan ov XFCE until it started to get slow |
| 21:38.04 | elg | you probably have one, just haven't tried it out |
| 21:38.12 | RyanE | Tene: not much. I was just Monty Pythoning it. |
| 21:38.42 | Tene | ah |
| 21:38.52 | sjansen | ~python RyanE |
| 21:38.53 | ibot | ACTION sends a jittery python to attack RyanE. |
| 21:39.06 | elg | ~sympathize sjansen |
| 21:39.36 | Nafai | xmonad! |
| 21:39.41 | elg | sends sjansen to nun school |
| 21:47.21 | tensai | elg: you use audacity? |
| 21:47.30 | elg | it is one of my tools yes |
| 21:48.00 | tensai | I have a voicemail with a really loud buzz in the background that I'd like to remove |
| 21:48.22 | tensai | I thought about using a high or low pass filter. would that work and if so, which? |
| 21:50.45 | tensai | I tried the noise removal plugin too, which I've had success with before, but for this one it segfaults |
| 21:51.12 | jsmith | Tene: Is it a high-pitched buzz or a low-pitched buzz? |
| 21:51.37 | Tene | It's totally a high pitched buzz. Like over nine thousand Hz. |
| 21:51.42 | Tene | Or like a million. |
| 21:51.54 | elg | segfault, that's exciting |
| 21:52.12 | elg | male or female? |
| 21:52.19 | elg | high-pitched or low-pitched buzz? |
| 21:56.09 | tensai | it's a fairly middle pitch I guess. I don't see a useful scale on this waveform display. |
| 21:56.30 | elg | try the spectrogram |
| 21:56.40 | elg | but a buzz usually means it's all over the spectrum |
| 21:56.56 | elg | your best bet is a bandpass filter around the voice, probably |
| 21:57.13 | elg | you could send it to me and I'll see what i can do |
| 21:57.17 | elg | then i can explain what i did |
| 21:57.29 | elg | or i might accomplish nothing other than putting subliminal messages in it |
| 21:58.03 | tensai | I expect it says "I can't make it to rehearsal tomorrow", so anything outside that would be suspicious |
| 21:58.14 | tensai | but I'm just curious to know how to clean it up |
| 21:58.39 | tensai | maybe I could download that audio program they have on CSI. there's a "Clean Up Audio" button that works like magic. |
| 22:02.43 | elg | wow, does this happen often |
| 22:02.45 | elg | ? |
| 22:03.10 | goozbach | tensai: don't forget the "make a fuzzy pixelated image reflected from across the street in a snowglobe bright and crystal clear" button |
| 22:03.24 | tensai | elg: no, this is the first time |
| 22:03.51 | tensai | goozbach: whenever they do that my wife immediately tells me to hold my tongue |
| 22:05.40 | tensai | they do have software for video which corrects for movement by the camera. I've seen it work before and it is amazing how much it helps. |
| 22:09.27 | elg | something about winning the lottery... |
| 22:09.31 | elg | claim number... |
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| 22:21.07 | elg | the interference is very regular, but also very broadband. the best thing to do is probably try to cancel it out by mixing it with the noise at the opposite phase |
| 22:21.20 | elg | but i'm not sure how to do that, practically speaking |
| 22:22.15 | tensai | the spectrogram you're talking about, that would be Analyze -> Plot Spectrum? |
| 22:22.28 | elg | no, click on the track name |
| 22:22.37 | elg | choose spectrum |
| 22:22.49 | tensai | ah |
| 22:22.52 | elg | look at the first 5 seconds |
| 22:22.55 | elg | (zoom in) |
| 22:23.08 | elg | see the eternal bands of red? that's your noise |
| 22:23.25 | elg | the ripples, e..g just after 1 s, are the signal |
| 22:23.54 | elg | so you could take that noise profile and subtract it from the signal in the frequency domain and then resynthesize and it would probably do a decent job |
| 22:24.04 | elg | but i don't know how to do that in audacity, off-hand |
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| 22:25.15 | elg | you can reduce the buzz somewhat relative to the voice by using the equalizer effect and attenuating everything outside of 500Hz - 1KHz |
| 22:26.19 | elg | but then you also lose most of the formants, but not all the noise. so the voice comes out clearer but you still can't understand what she's saying. unless you already have an idea what it might be and you could probably pick some parts out. i can make out your name, it's such and such time on such and such day |
| 22:26.51 | elg | it's instructive to look at the waveform too, dB probably best |
| 22:27.17 | elg | you can see the regular peaking, and then you can see the underlying signal |
| 22:27.43 | elg | the csi folks would have no trouble with it |
| 22:27.46 | elg | even in real life |
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| 22:48.27 | leibnitz | got another notice from media sentry about a customer of my isp sharing copyrighted file. |
| 22:49.01 | leibnitz | it is funny because they say it like let us know when you have disconnected this user. |
| 22:49.35 | rsimpkins | sends a subliminal message: COME TO PLUG TONIGHT AT 7:30pm - www.plug.org |
| 22:49.50 | elg | "thanks, we have given them a discount on their next month of service" |
| 22:50.56 | leibnitz | I match a user to the ip they are complaining about and call the user and warn them about it and ask them to be careful. |
| 22:51.19 | leibnitz | elg: that would be funny to report back like that. |
| 22:52.44 | Jayce^ | thinks rsimpkins should ask Tene to repeat his offer |
| 22:53.10 | Tene | rsimpkins: do you have anyone scheduled to present in January yet? |
| 22:53.31 | rsimpkins | Tene: Yeah, it is a local guy who wants to present on Parrot. I can't recall his name. I think it starts with a T. |
| 22:53.44 | Tene | Ah. |
| 22:54.02 | rsimpkins | Tene: If you'd like the slot sir, we would be grateful. |
| 22:54.14 | Tene | Yes, I would. |
| 22:54.31 | rsimpkins | Tene: Can you please send me a discription of the presenation, along with a brief bio (for the web site)? |
| 22:54.43 | Tene | Ew, that sounds like work. |
| 22:54.46 | rsimpkins | Tene: Just in e-mail would be fine, whenever you have some time. |
| 22:54.50 | elg | don't forget your credit card number |
| 22:54.59 | Tene | address? |
| 22:55.08 | rsimpkins | ryan at ryan simpkins dot com |
| 22:56.21 | elg | Tene: echo "Tene will present on Parrot, which is awesome. Tene is awesome." | mail `echo ryan at ryan simpkins dot com | sed s/at/@/ | sed s/dot/./ | sed 's/ //'` |
| 22:56.46 | Tene | you mean 's/ //g' |
| 22:57.14 | elg | indeed |
| 22:57.18 | Jayce^ | Tene, you need to write that replacement as a regex itself |
| 22:58.12 | Tene | s#/'#/g'# |
| 23:01.01 | elg | s/e.*/ubitably/ |
| 23:41.51 | tensai | leibnitz: we get those periodically too |
| 23:42.12 | tensai | some of them have statements offering some kind of settlement and give a url |
| 23:53.27 | elg | ~extort tensai |
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| 23:57.59 | tensai | http://paste.lisp.org/display/71948 |
| 23:58.21 | tensai | there's a dmca notice, if you were ever curious |