| 00:04.31 | eightyeight | http://gizmodo.com/5104572/argentine-aerocar-flew-down-highways-with-gigantic-propeller |
| 00:04.42 | eightyeight | who in their right mind thought that was a good idea? |
| 00:23.37 | sjansen | http://www.videosift.com/video/Bill-Cosby-Chocolate-Cakefor-Breakfast |
| 00:35.19 | Supaplex | I had a kernel panic in dom0 over the 3c59x driver. How likely is a domU able to isolate this kind of fault, if native hardware is passed to it? http://picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0886.1228782795.png |
| 00:43.52 | Reilithion | jshipley: Did you end up with a client you liked? |
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| 00:49.01 | Sargun | Supaplex, depends |
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| 02:11.34 | Reilithion | jshipley: Well, my python client is working. |
| 02:11.46 | Reilithion | How about yours? |
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| 03:34.59 | eightyeight | wha? no more plug emails? shame |
| 03:35.01 | elg | -chat you wish |
| 03:35.02 | brac | you wish |
| 03:35.52 | elg | -chat my hari |
| 03:35.52 | brac | my hari |
| 03:35.52 | elg | -chat my hair |
| 03:35.52 | brac | my hair |
| 03:35.53 | eightyeight | -chat is lame |
| 03:35.53 | elg | my hair is falling out |
| 03:35.53 | brac | is lame |
| 03:35.57 | elg | -chat my hair |
| 03:35.57 | brac | my hair is falling out |
| 03:36.15 | elg | my hair is not green |
| 03:36.17 | elg | -chat my hair |
| 03:36.17 | brac | my hair is falling out |
| 03:36.20 | elg | -chat my hair |
| 03:36.20 | brac | my hair is falling out |
| 03:36.23 | elg | -chat my hair |
| 03:36.23 | brac | my hair is falling out |
| 03:36.25 | elg | heh |
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| 03:54.57 | elg | so do i understand correctly that ff 3.1 has native theora support or what? |
| 03:55.11 | elg | "Watch a video in your browser without needing any plugins or external media players." and that link takes you to http://tinyvid.tv/show/3d198wqepg78m |
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| 04:15.43 | fozzmoo | raises his eyebrows |
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| 04:56.34 | levi | That site elg posted was programmed in Factor. :) |
| 05:00.02 | harleypig | anyone good with getting sound to work for a tv tuner? |
| 05:02.03 | Jayce^ | harleypig, shouldn't you be working? :-p |
| 05:02.09 | harleypig | ? |
| 05:02.12 | harleypig | at 11pm? |
| 05:02.17 | Jayce^ | oh yeah :) |
| 05:02.33 | harleypig | I'm workin' it baby! |
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| 05:09.48 | harleypig | I scared him away |
| 05:09.56 | Jayce^ | you would |
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| 05:17.29 | harleypig | rarrr |
| 05:17.43 | Nafai | eep |
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| 06:23.41 | levi | No wonder we haven't seen findlay around. Apparently he's got a girlfriend. |
| 06:24.09 | levi | "Justin Findlay has a gf of many eigenbeauties" <- his Facebook status update. |
| 06:25.42 | eightyeight | that, and he can't find a reliable server to run irssi |
| 06:25.51 | eightyeight | one of us should give him a shell account |
| 06:26.41 | Sargun | levi, oh, what the hell? |
| 06:26.41 | levi | Math nerds with girlfriends. There's nothing more geekily precious. ;) |
| 06:26.53 | Sargun | Hopefully he doesn't breed. |
| 06:27.03 | eightyeight | wait- levi has a facebook account? |
| 06:27.14 | levi | I'd rather have findlay breeding than Sargun. |
| 06:27.25 | Sargun | What about an mheath? |
| 06:27.25 | levi | eightyeight: Yeah, I'm all Social now. |
| 06:27.44 | eightyeight | wow. what happened? |
| 06:28.06 | levi | I'm fairly neutral on the prospect of Sargun and mheath breeding. I hope findlay does. |
| 06:28.26 | Sargun | RMS? |
| 06:28.44 | Sargun | I think RMS is against DNA, because Gene's aren't open source... |
| 06:28.47 | Sargun | err |
| 06:28.48 | levi | eightyeight: I was curious, and it's handy to track down old friends. I don't use it very much. |
| 06:28.49 | Sargun | genes. |
| 06:29.09 | eightyeight | my wife got an account a few weeks back. all she does each night, is look for old friends |
| 06:29.23 | levi | I would be fine with RMS having kids as long as he didn't actually raise them. :P |
| 06:29.56 | Sargun | haha |
| 06:30.07 | levi | eightyeight: Some random old college roommate asked me for my triple-chocolate cake recipe via facebook today. |
| 06:31.32 | levi | Sargun: I don't think he would ever have kids, though, due to his screwed-up ideology. |
| 06:32.21 | eightyeight | i would do facebook, but then all my friends would already be on irc or im |
| 06:32.58 | levi | You need some more interesting friends. ;) |
| 06:33.05 | eightyeight | heh |
| 06:33.23 | eightyeight | i guess i could find old mission companions and high school friends |
| 06:34.01 | levi | In reality, I don't have a whole lot of friends on facebook that I'm not otherwise connected to anyway. |
| 06:34.27 | levi | But you can add old aquaintences and feel like you're still sort of connected to them by reading their status updates. |
| 06:34.55 | Nafai | Yeah, I've found a lot of old high school, college, and misison friends on Facebook that I wouldn't have been connected with otherwise |
| 06:35.16 | levi | I refuse to add all the silly facebook apps, though. |
| 06:35.26 | Nafai | Yeah, me too |
| 06:35.33 | levi | I have a gazillion invitations to various silly things sitting in my inbox. |
| 06:35.35 | Nafai | I just ignore 'em all |
| 06:35.43 | Nafai | Even the ones my wife sometimes sends me |
| 06:35.49 | levi | Yup, me too. |
| 06:36.15 | Nafai | Though I admittedly am looking at Facebook APIs right now |
| 06:36.18 | levi | Wossname the 'Social' entrepreneur hasn't been very vocal lately. |
| 06:36.38 | Nafai | Want to write something to directly upload pictures to a Facebook album from my G1 |
| 06:37.48 | Sargun | I dislike the G1. |
| 06:38.10 | Nafai | Sargun: Apple Fanboi? :) |
| 06:38.43 | eightyeight | he is from ca... |
| 06:39.12 | Sargun | Apple, hell no. |
| 06:39.15 | Sargun | Palm. |
| 06:39.32 | Nafai | Oh Geez. |
| 06:39.32 | levi | I encouraged a coworker of mine to buy a Palm phone. |
| 06:39.42 | levi | But only because he's already a Palm addict. |
| 06:39.46 | Nafai | My old Treo didn't compare in the least to this phone :) |
| 06:39.50 | eightyeight | palm is a horrible os |
| 06:40.01 | levi | It's a horrible OS but a great PDA. |
| 06:40.09 | levi | And this guy really uses his PDA. |
| 06:40.09 | Sargun | I need a Phone which A) Works under sprint B) Does bluetooth tethering |
| 06:40.29 | eightyeight | sprint is a horrible cell service |
| 06:40.36 | eightyeight | i know. i have both. :) |
| 06:40.43 | levi | And besides, it *was* a great OS a zillion years ago when it was new. |
| 06:40.53 | levi | But times move on, etc. |
| 06:40.57 | eightyeight | it was great. it's aging now, and getting left in the dust |
| 06:41.00 | Nafai | I used to be a Palm fan as well |
| 06:41.05 | Sargun | eightyeight, haha |
| 06:41.22 | Sargun | eightyeight, I need Sprint over Sprint because of |
| 06:41.27 | eightyeight | i can't wait to ditch my centro, and sprint |
| 06:41.33 | Sargun | the fact VZW actually enforces data rates |
| 06:41.35 | eightyeight | i miss t-mobile |
| 06:41.52 | levi | I liked Sprint okay when I used it. I use a prepaid t-mobile phone now because I never talk on the phone. |
| 06:42.02 | levi | Way cheaper that way. |
| 06:42.12 | Nafai | I was a Verizon customer for 5 years |
| 06:42.22 | Nafai | Until I dumped them a few weeks ago for T-Mobile and the G1 |
| 06:42.27 | Nafai | Been pretty happy so far |
| 06:42.30 | levi | And $50/mo or more is way too much to pay for a silly wireless toy that I rarely use. |
| 06:42.49 | Sargun | levi, I use a few gigs a month |
| 06:43.09 | levi | Well, clearly you have a different cost/benefit analysis than I do. |
| 06:43.49 | levi | I'm just sayin', I pay $25 every few months and I can make all the calls I need to. :) |
| 06:44.02 | eightyeight | yeah. that's the way to go |
| 06:44.33 | eightyeight | i turned off data and text messaging. i may go to prepaid when my plan dies out |
| 06:45.09 | levi | t-mobile has a great pre-paid plan. After your first $100 spent on minutes, all minutes last a year and you get more per dollar. |
| 06:45.22 | levi | So no expiration problems. |
| 06:45.47 | eightyeight | nice |
| 06:46.07 | levi | They've got another option, too, but I don't remember the details. |
| 06:46.26 | eightyeight | i've found that internet on my phone is just too much. if i'm not at home, i'm somewhere else with 'net access |
| 06:46.53 | eightyeight | and 20¢ per text is too much. if you have a phone, and want to communicate to me on my phone, call me |
| 06:47.16 | levi | Yeah. Internet access on my Treo was only useful when I was in church, but no one was ever on irc then. ;) |
| 06:47.36 | eightyeight | heh. my wife got pretty mad at me pulling up pssh during church. :) |
| 06:48.08 | levi | Text rates are disgusting. My Sprint plan had unlimited text, but I rarely used it after I broke up with the stupid girlfriend I used to text all the time. |
| 06:48.19 | Sargun | levi, haha |
| 06:48.30 | Sargun | levi, aren't you married? |
| 06:48.33 | Nafai | Yeah, we've already had the discussion since I got my new phone. The wife laid down the law. No web surfing / ssh during church |
| 06:48.39 | eightyeight | the fact that i'm responsible for paying for incoming texts just floors me |
| 06:48.39 | levi | Yeah, but I wasn't then, obviously. |
| 06:49.46 | Sargun | Nafai, yay for not having a wife. |
| 06:49.54 | levi | Nafai: You could pretend you were reading scriptures. ;) My wife would ask to use it to play bejeweled or something. |
| 06:49.58 | eightyeight | when i lost my job at GL, i cut data and text, and i'm saving $30 / month |
| 06:50.06 | Nafai | levi: :) |
| 06:50.15 | Nafai | eightyeight: Any luck on getting a new job, btw? |
| 06:50.31 | levi | Now we've got our hands full with the kids, so we can't pay attention to anything anyway. |
| 06:50.54 | eightyeight | i have a promising interview tomorrow morning doing backend programming with perl, python and bash |
| 06:51.03 | levi | Sweet. :) |
| 06:51.18 | levi | Except for the perl part, anyway. ;) |
| 06:51.23 | eightyeight | yeah. i'm hoping they return with a good offer |
| 06:51.24 | eightyeight | :) |
| 06:51.53 | Nafai | Good luck! |
| 06:52.00 | eightyeight | thx |
| 07:32.32 | levi | Well, time to sleep. |
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| 16:14.33 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:14.38 | Tene | Kinda. |
| 16:14.52 | Tene | My ldap lectures have been kinda fail. |
| 16:15.01 | Tene | I've gone too fast, and not provided anywhere near enough examples. |
| 16:15.08 | Tene | This is my first time teaching ldap. |
| 16:15.29 | jsmith | wishes he knew more about practical implementations of LDAP |
| 16:16.34 | fozzmoo | LDAP is... labyrinthy. |
| 16:18.04 | levi | Yuck, LDAP. |
| 16:18.13 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yup... another technology that's simple in theory (lightweight!), but a pain in practice |
| 16:18.49 | jsmith | I hereby promise never to use the words "Lightweight" or "Simple" in any acronym I define for a new technology |
| 16:19.48 | levi | Well, LDAP and SNMP are, I think, only 'lightweight' and 'simple' when compared to some *really* overly-complex alternatives that they replaced. |
| 16:20.07 | Nafai | Yeah, I need to learn LDAP too |
| 16:20.16 | high_roller | I've had pretty good luck with ldap |
| 16:20.23 | levi | SMTP really is pretty simple, though. |
| 16:20.36 | fozzmoo | The problem with LDAP is that you generally learn just enough to get it implemented and then you forget everything you learned. |
| 16:21.11 | fozzmoo | I mean, there are some really bizarre hardcore people out there who eat LDIF data for breakfast, but they're few and far between. |
| 16:21.20 | high_roller | The Fedora Directory server has worked pretty well for me in the past |
| 16:21.38 | fozzmoo | FDS is a rehash of Sun/Netscape's directory server. |
| 16:21.39 | levi | This is why I gave up system administration. |
| 16:21.55 | high_roller | fozzmoo: yup |
| 16:22.13 | fozzmoo | I've never been able to get a working FDS installation up. |
| 16:22.13 | high_roller | openldap isn't too bad either |
| 16:22.14 | levi | Instead I fill my brain up with crap about various CPUs and embedded operating systems. |
| 16:22.25 | fozzmoo | Every time I try, I go back to openldap |
| 16:22.37 | fozzmoo | levi: That's why we love you. ;-) |
| 16:22.39 | goozbach | any gurus online? |
| 16:22.49 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Do I count for some guruness? |
| 16:22.53 | goozbach | just wondering which laptop dax kelson is using nowdays |
| 16:22.58 | fozzmoo | Oh. Dunno. |
| 16:23.08 | goozbach | he always seems ahead of the curve |
| 16:23.10 | high_roller | fozzmoo: yea, there are some odd quirks and legacy stuff with FDS |
| 16:24.09 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Tene may know. |
| 16:24.21 | fozzmoo | He was just here blathering about his LDAP failures. :) |
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| 16:25.55 | goozbach | what's the logical progression of the IBM t61p? |
| 16:26.04 | goozbach | lenovo seems to have reset the numbering scheme |
| 16:26.14 | goozbach | thinkpads still the shiz-nit? |
| 16:26.25 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I'm not Dax by any stretch, but I love my Dell D830N |
| 16:26.39 | goozbach | dell laptop?! *shudder* |
| 16:26.52 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:26.52 | fozzmoo | The N is for Open Source. :) |
| 16:27.00 | goozbach | deh wha? |
| 16:27.02 | fozzmoo | Comes with a FreeDOS CD. |
| 16:27.11 | fozzmoo | And everything just works. |
| 16:27.12 | goozbach | seriously? |
| 16:27.16 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 16:27.24 | fozzmoo | 15.4-inch, 1920x1200 |
| 16:27.36 | fozzmoo | I've got a 2.5Ghz Core Duo |
| 16:27.57 | levi | Can you install OS X on it, though? ;) |
| 16:27.59 | fozzmoo | I can't find much to complain abou tit. |
| 16:28.10 | fozzmoo | levi has a point. |
| 16:28.19 | unum | loves his eeepc :) |
| 16:28.23 | levi | ( heh heh... he said 'tit' ) |
| 16:28.24 | fozzmoo | If you want to spend $1k more, you could get an Apple. :) |
| 16:28.35 | fozzmoo | levi: Why do I always do that!? |
| 16:28.46 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Freudian slip |
| 16:30.21 | fozzmoo | This Dell is the most solid-feeling laptop I've used. Nice titanium frame, no plastic edges that will catch and break (like my old HP). |
| 16:30.46 | fozzmoo | The only thing I don't like abou tit (heh) is the keyboard. It's a little more .. fragile... than I would like. |
| 16:31.23 | fozzmoo | I had a D830N at KnowledgeBlue and had to replace the keyboard (warranty replacement) because a key popped off and broke the springy thing underneath. |
| 16:31.50 | fozzmoo | Nonetheless, now that I'm no longer at KnowledgeBlue, I bought the same laptop (with a slightly faster CPU and larger hard drive) myself. |
| 16:32.10 | vontrapp | my HP has cracked plasted corners :( |
| 16:32.21 | fozzmoo | vontrapp has the same laptop I had. |
| 16:32.35 | vontrapp | s/plasted/plastic |
| 16:32.38 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: And the LCD hinge? Is it all flimsy? |
| 16:32.40 | vontrapp | s/cracked/broken/ |
| 16:32.48 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: i replaced the hinges about 6 mo ago |
| 16:32.54 | vontrapp | had to order them from china |
| 16:33.07 | vontrapp | can't remember how much they were |
| 16:33.08 | fozzmoo | I'd like to do that. That's really the only thing that keeps me from letting my kids use it... |
| 16:33.10 | vontrapp | i think lik $40 or so |
| 16:34.02 | fozzmoo | sjansen had that laptop too... in 1920x1200 (mine was "only" 1680x1050) |
| 16:34.08 | goozbach | fozzmoo: that's what I like about the thinkpad |
| 16:34.15 | vontrapp | mine was the sjansen flavor |
| 16:34.16 | vontrapp | :) |
| 16:34.18 | goozbach | strong Mg alloy frame |
| 16:34.27 | goozbach | hinges are rock solid |
| 16:34.27 | vontrapp | *is |
| 16:34.29 | vontrapp | i still have it |
| 16:34.39 | fozzmoo | goozbach: D830N has the trackpad and the eraser stick. |
| 16:34.45 | fozzmoo | I don't care for the stick. |
| 16:35.30 | fozzmoo | Who likes the stick?! |
| 16:36.34 | JoshH | i've been thinking about a thinkpad T500, but supposedly they keyboard is less rigid (but also lighter) than it was on the t61 |
| 16:36.42 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I like the eraser stick! |
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| 16:37.23 | goozbach | I was using dax's old dell (don't remember the number) and the hinge broke |
| 16:37.33 | jshipley_ | I've been thinking about a eeepc, but I'm not sure that I'll like the small screen |
| 16:37.37 | goozbach | had to replace it (nearly $100) before I returned it |
| 16:37.46 | goozbach | jshipley_: I'd get one of those, but I have banana hands |
| 16:37.56 | goozbach | I'd type three keys at a time |
| 16:38.00 | fozzmoo | jshipley_: I've been keeping my eye on the HP Mini 1000 |
| 16:38.07 | fozzmoo | It has a 92% keyboard, so not so bad. |
| 16:38.07 | unum | if you're comparing dell to hp I can see why you like it |
| 16:38.16 | jshipley_ | I'm also kind of looking at the HP and Dell minis |
| 16:38.23 | unum | but I have never heard a thinkpad owner compare anything favorably to it |
| 16:38.31 | fozzmoo | The Dell mini doesn't have function keys... kind of a dealbreaker for me. |
| 16:38.39 | jsmith | fozzmoo: That's what the Lenovo X301 is for! |
| 16:38.54 | jsmith | fozzmoo: (or the X300, which is on a pretty good sale right now) |
| 16:39.41 | fozzmoo | jsmith: And for sucking the life from your wallet. :) |
| 16:39.55 | Nafai | I sure like my T61p |
| 16:40.26 | Tene | goozbach: he's still using his T61p, I think |
| 16:40.27 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Not my wallet... I'm not paying for a laptop. |
| 16:40.32 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 16:40.55 | Tene | levi: exactly. ldap came as a replacement for X.500, which is huge and has its own entire networking stack |
| 16:41.00 | Nafai | goozbach: The model to replace the T61p is the W500 |
| 16:41.12 | Nafai | goozbach: albino has one and he likes it, I think |
| 16:41.16 | fozzmoo | W500 is NOWHERE near as fun to say as T61P |
| 16:41.29 | JoshH | i want a t16 |
| 16:41.34 | Nafai | fozzmoo: Why not? |
| 16:41.51 | JoshH | that i can bullseye womp rats with |
| 16:42.03 | fozzmoo | Nafai: I dunno. Just sounds bleh compared to T61P or F18A. :) |
| 16:42.09 | Nafai | fozzmoo: :) |
| 16:42.15 | goozbach | JoshH: you turned off your targeting computer? why? |
| 16:44.09 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: http://www.generalsaving.com/group_LaptopParts.php |
| 16:44.14 | brac | [Globalsavings : Laptop Parts] |
| 16:44.20 | vontrapp | it took me forever to find that when i needed it |
| 16:44.27 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Suhweet! Thanks! |
| 16:44.27 | vontrapp | so i dug it up incase you wanted it |
| 16:44.51 | jshipley | How long would the 3 cell battery last in the HP mini? |
| 16:45.07 | fozzmoo | I've heard it's 2.5-4 hours. |
| 16:45.09 | vontrapp | it did take forever to ship |
| 16:45.12 | Nafai | Speaking of those netbooks, has anyone tried an MSI Wind? |
| 16:45.12 | vontrapp | but you're in no hurry |
| 16:45.36 | fozzmoo | I read rumors that a higher-capacity battery will be available for the HP mini. |
| 16:45.45 | fozzmoo | Nafai: I've seen good reviews on engadget |
| 16:45.54 | Nafai | My wife is needing a new computer and they come in pink |
| 16:46.21 | fozzmoo | There's the Vivian Tam edition of the HP 1000 too. |
| 16:46.49 | fozzmoo | Just buy a EEE and a can of spraypaint. :) |
| 16:46.55 | jshipley | I kind of like what HP is doing with the graphics printed on the notebooks |
| 16:47.08 | fozzmoo | or a sharpie. :) |
| 16:47.20 | Nafai | fozzmoo: That's a lot of sharpie :) |
| 16:47.31 | Nafai | The keyboard on the EEE just seems so cramped |
| 16:49.46 | unum | I thought the eee came in pink |
| 16:49.48 | fungus | The keyboard on the Dell Mini 9 netbook is much worse, the keys are in the wrong locations |
| 16:51.09 | fozzmoo | fungus: Yeah. I've heard they fixed that with the 1000. |
| 16:52.18 | fungus | are talking about the eeepc 1000? yeah, that one has a totally non-cramped keyboard |
| 16:52.25 | fungus | but is a bit bigger |
| 16:53.16 | levi | fozzmoo: So, how do you find the 'n' version on Dell's site? |
| 16:53.37 | jshipley | I have an Inspiron 9300 (huge laptop, I love it... it's not all that portable though, and gets pretty hot)... My biggest complaint is that it doesn't have a numpad, even though there is enough space for one. |
| 16:53.46 | jshipley | Dell seems to have laptop keyboard issues :) |
| 16:53.54 | fozzmoo | www.dell.com/nseries |
| 16:54.29 | fozzmoo | http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/nseries_nb?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=mn |
| 16:55.07 | JoshH | i wonder why they bother including freedos |
| 16:55.27 | fungus | Cool, they have a 12". That's the size i've been missing since my old PowerBook |
| 16:56.19 | fungus | Although that price is a bit high compared to it's specs. :( |
| 16:57.34 | fozzmoo | The 12-inch isn't very... customizable. |
| 16:57.42 | fozzmoo | The D830N seems to have the best options. |
| 16:57.57 | fozzmoo | With the others it seems you have to settle for the defaults. |
| 16:58.02 | goozbach | shaving a yak today |
| 16:58.03 | goozbach | grr |
| 16:58.40 | fozzmoo | gives goozbach a bunch of shaving gel |
| 16:58.53 | fozzmoo | ~shave goozbach |
| 16:58.54 | ibot | ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases goozbach until he sees TheRedBaron... then grabs TheRedbaron & dry shaves TheRedBaron from head to toe! |
| 16:59.38 | fungus | uh oh, now he's gotta go buy razors |
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| 17:00.30 | Nafai | Dang it |
| 17:00.47 | Nafai | I just want a quick and dirty tool to upload an .ics tool to a google calendar |
| 17:00.52 | Nafai | Why is calendar sharing so hard? |
| 17:01.29 | fozzmoo | Nafai: I've wondered the same thing |
| 17:01.43 | levi | The D830N seems to be using the previous generation of Core 2 Duo with the slower bus speeds than the MacBooks. |
| 17:01.44 | Nafai | I just want to get my work calendar on google so I can see it on my G1 |
| 17:01.45 | fozzmoo | And why is it taking so long for the open source community to come up with a good calendar server? |
| 17:02.06 | fozzmoo | levi: :( |
| 17:02.15 | Nafai | There is Cosmo, by OSAF and Apple's calendar server |
| 17:02.22 | Nafai | But I don't know how good either one of those is |
| 17:02.22 | levi | Probably part of the reason they're cheaper. |
| 17:02.33 | goozbach | sunbird! |
| 17:02.39 | goozbach | FT(W?) |
| 17:02.41 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Is Sunbird... there? |
| 17:02.46 | levi | It's hard to do direct comparison of laptop prices. |
| 17:03.09 | goozbach | Nafai: google callendar now syncs with sunbird |
| 17:03.23 | goozbach | maybe you can get sunbird to import your callendar |
| 17:03.30 | fozzmoo | Is Sunbird a rehash of Sun/Netscape/IPlanet's calendar server? |
| 17:03.39 | Nafai | fozzmoo: sunbird is a calendar client |
| 17:03.47 | fozzmoo | Oh. |
| 17:03.56 | goozbach | fozzmoo: client only |
| 17:03.57 | fozzmoo | What's Mozilla's calendar server product? |
| 17:04.06 | fozzmoo | And is it worth using yet? |
| 17:05.40 | elg | sunbird I think |
| 17:05.49 | elg | oh, server |
| 17:05.51 | elg | slinks away |
| 17:06.18 | elg | -chat i wish |
| 17:06.19 | brac | i wish I had all day... it's not implemented yet, but I've learned there may be omitted esp. for suburbs. Headwords: Gay, |
| 17:06.47 | levi | It looks like a factory refurbished MacBook Pro of similar specs to a D830N is just a few hundred more. |
| 17:07.06 | levi | I quote the factory refurbished one because it's a previous generation model. |
| 17:07.29 | levi | All the new generation use the newer chips and faster bus speeds, etc. |
| 17:07.56 | levi | Anyway, the D830N sounds like a reasonable deal for a nice Linux laptop. |
| 17:08.09 | fozzmoo | On another topic... I'm thinking it may be worth installing denyhosts on a server that only accepts SSH key authentication just to stop the logs from filling up with connection attempts. |
| 17:09.06 | Tene | Chanlder has some significantly good ideas about calendar sharing. |
| 17:09.11 | Tene | Chandler |
| 17:09.21 | Tene | The 1.0 client kept crashing on me, though. |
| 17:09.27 | Tene | I hear 1.1 is a lot better, but I haven't tried it. |
| 17:10.10 | synic | fozzmoo: nonstandard port clears that stuff right up |
| 17:10.37 | fozzmoo | synic: true. |
| 17:10.40 | Nafai | denyhosts is useful |
| 17:10.54 | Tene | I've been wondering if a global blacklist for ssh might be useful. |
| 17:11.02 | Nafai | I have 60k entries in /etc/hosts.deny because of denyhosts |
| 17:11.08 | fozzmoo | Deny=0.0.0.0 |
| 17:11.15 | Tene | So many people are running denyhosts and friends, but not sharing the results. |
| 17:11.28 | fozzmoo | Doesn't denyhosts support a sharing mechanism> |
| 17:11.30 | fozzmoo | ? |
| 17:11.37 | Tene | Dunno. Haven't looked. :) |
| 17:11.59 | fozzmoo | yeah. they have a daemon synchronization feature. |
| 17:12.08 | goozbach | it'd be easy to publish your denied files |
| 17:12.10 | Nafai | I'm syncing |
| 17:12.11 | fozzmoo | You can use theirs or set up your own distribution network. |
| 17:12.31 | levi | Doug Engelbart's famous demo is 40 years old today. |
| 17:13.51 | fozzmoo | That demo is old. |
| 17:14.07 | fozzmoo | Fleetwood Mac was #1 40 years ago. :) |
| 17:14.20 | fozzmoo | They were a British band then. |
| 17:14.27 | levi | Have you seen the demo, though? |
| 17:14.38 | levi | It's pretty impressive, given that it was 40 years ago. |
| 17:14.44 | fozzmoo | A long time ago. |
| 17:14.45 | elg | what did he demo? |
| 17:14.53 | elg | and should i have heard of him? |
| 17:15.07 | fozzmoo | I don't even remember what he demo'd, I just remember something about it from school orsomething. |
| 17:15.10 | levi | His ideas for computers as a collaboration and human-enhancement tool. |
| 17:15.26 | levi | The demo included hypertext, the mouse, and video conferencing. |
| 17:15.31 | fozzmoo | In 1968? |
| 17:15.42 | fozzmoo | yeeesh. |
| 17:15.57 | fozzmoo | I'm sure that was preposterous then. |
| 17:16.11 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos |
| 17:16.12 | ^Migs^ | witchcraft! |
| 17:16.16 | fozzmoo | In an era of timesharing. |
| 17:16.49 | fozzmoo | It's amazing to me that we continue to find more and more preposterous uses for technology. |
| 17:17.23 | fozzmoo | 20 years ago, to think the PC would be used for music storage/playback... that just would have been unfathomable. |
| 17:18.25 | fozzmoo | heh heh. I'm remember in 1992 when Netscape came on the scene with the first web browser that supported JPEG graphics, a professor at USU predicted it would be the death of the Internet. :-D |
| 17:18.48 | fozzmoo | The tubes just can't handle that much bandwidth! |
| 17:19.08 | elg | it probably was the death of the internet as he knew it |
| 17:19.11 | elg | thankfully :) |
| 17:19.26 | elg | though i wish we could have kept usenet unscathed |
| 17:19.42 | levi | I dunno, I think music storage/playback was inevitable in 88. |
| 17:20.37 | Nafai | fozzmoo: Doupnick? |
| 17:20.49 | fozzmoo | nods |
| 17:21.18 | Nafai | Figures :) |
| 17:21.31 | levi | I mean, I'm pretty sure the Amiga demoscene had some pretty impressive stuff by then. |
| 17:21.44 | fozzmoo | levi: Perhaps, but not for the mainstream computer user. |
| 17:22.02 | fozzmoo | I don't think most people would have foreseen it. |
| 17:22.20 | fozzmoo | Not coming from an era of green/amber monochrome monitors and WP for DOS. :) |
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| 17:24.44 | levi | By '88 I was using a Mac, and I lusted after Amiga's beautiful sound and graphics. The green/amber stuff was in the distant past. |
| 17:25.11 | levi | My computer could already do simple voice synthesis. |
| 17:25.29 | levi | The PC's A/V trajectory was pretty clear. |
| 17:26.02 | levi | The IBM-compatible platform was pretty pathetic still, so I'm sorry if you were still stuck with it then. ;) |
| 17:27.46 | levi | I mean, Sound Blaster didn't even appear until '89. |
| 17:28.23 | fozzmoo | I didn't even own a real computer until 94 |
| 17:28.29 | jsmith | And even then, compared to the SID chip in the Commodore 64, it was pretty pathetic |
| 17:28.42 | harleypig | scrotum coasters! |
| 17:28.44 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Right, but you made up for lost time very quickly! |
| 17:28.45 | fozzmoo | I Had an Atari 8-bit before that. |
| 17:28.48 | levi | I think there were some sound cards earlier, and Tandy IBM-compatible machines had more sound capability. |
| 17:29.04 | fozzmoo | jsmith: I did the VAX! |
| 17:29.32 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Obviously... otherwise, the word "soapbox" wouldn't come to my mind every time I see the word "fozzmoo" |
| 17:29.46 | fozzmoo | levi: Still, going from MIDI/MOD files to MP3 is quite the leap. |
| 17:30.11 | fozzmoo | sighs and reminisces dreamily. |
| 17:30.35 | levi | It was definitely a leap, but things were clearly moving in that direction. |
| 17:30.50 | fozzmoo | That's what we need. We need a plug.soapbox mailing list/newsgroup. :) |
| 17:30.56 | fozzmoo | That might help clear things up. |
| 17:31.06 | fozzmoo | Then we can say, "Gold standard? Take it to .soapbox!" |
| 17:31.07 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Amen! |
| 17:31.25 | levi | Nah, that wouldn't be any fun. |
| 17:31.31 | harleypig | But no one will listen and they'll come back anyway. |
| 17:31.59 | fozzmoo | harleypig: But then we can complain incessantly about them in .soapbox! |
| 17:32.24 | harleypig | A channel where everyone is talking and no one is listening ... wait ... |
| 17:32.37 | fozzmoo | la la la la |
| 17:32.54 | harleypig | fozzmoo: but we do that anyway :> |
| 17:33.37 | fozzmoo | Is anyone aware of a system that meshes e-mail and web-forum functionality seamlessly? |
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| 17:33.58 | levi | fozzmoo: I've seen a couple of them. |
| 17:34.02 | fozzmoo | Basically, a mailing list manager that lets people participate via web forum. |
| 17:34.17 | fozzmoo | I know Google Groups does this sort of thing with usenet. |
| 17:34.47 | fozzmoo | It seems there's a big divide between people who prefer mailing lists and people who (for some stupid reason) prefer web forums. |
| 17:35.05 | levi | GMANE is another service that works with mail lists and newsgroups, and has several different display/interaction methods. |
| 17:35.23 | fozzmoo | Is GMANE something you can install on your own server? |
| 17:35.37 | levi | And I ran across some Ruby tool that makes a web forum out of a mail list. |
| 17:35.54 | levi | I looked into installing GMANE locally, but it would take a bit of work. |
| 17:36.09 | levi | The source is available, but it's not designed to move around. |
| 17:36.15 | fozzmoo | ah. |
| 17:36.34 | fozzmoo | decides it's time to shower. |
| 17:36.42 | levi | I'm sure if you do some searching, you'll find an implementation or two. Maybe even one in perl. ;) |
| 17:37.44 | fozzmoo | gasps in delight |
| 17:40.58 | levi | "The campaigners are feeling pretty stupid. There's nothing more natural than a beaver." |
| 17:41.14 | levi | http://www.ok.co.uk/worldinaction/view/5810/Beavers-break-the-law/ |
| 17:41.18 | brac | [OK! Magazine: First For Celebrity News :: World In Action :: Beavers break the law] |
| 17:46.58 | ^Migs^ | /clear |
| 17:47.01 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 17:47.57 | elg | levi: awesome |
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| 18:08.14 | harleypig | venezuelan beaver cheese? |
| 18:09.10 | leibnitz | hello |
| 18:09.16 | harleypig | olleh |
| 18:10.24 | leibnitz | first time in this channel |
| 18:10.36 | harleypig | there's a first time for everything |
| 18:10.47 | harleypig | It's too bad your first time here you're exposed to me ... |
| 18:10.57 | levi | We should bring newton on and have a calculus smackdown. |
| 18:10.59 | jsmith | leibnitz: Welcome... hopefully you won't be scarred for life :-p |
| 18:11.03 | harleypig | Or, more aptly put, I expose myself to you. |
| 18:11.45 | harleypig | Or scared for life. |
| 18:11.59 | leibnitz | strange that with 65 poeple in the room there isn't more chatter |
| 18:12.07 | levi | That's IRC for you. |
| 18:12.20 | harleypig | It's sporadic. |
| 18:13.01 | jsmith | Right... some of us are doing actual work and are mostly just lurking in the channel |
| 18:13.22 | harleypig | And trying very hard not to think of me in speedos :> |
| 18:13.23 | jsmith | (except for the occasional snide comment) |
| 18:13.44 | harleypig | I'm avoiding work atm |
| 18:14.12 | tensai | who let harleypig work on atms? that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. |
| 18:14.46 | harleypig | Just look out for the cameras |
| 18:19.49 | elg | -chat |
| 18:19.50 | brac | 'chomp' and 'print' aren't trivial situations? |
| 18:20.38 | elg | -chat you wish |
| 18:20.38 | brac | you wish |
| 18:20.44 | elg | -chat meet the |
| 18:20.44 | brac | meet the |
| 18:20.46 | elg | meet the bot |
| 18:21.03 | jsmith | -chat welcome to |
| 18:21.03 | brac | welcome to them by reading their status updates. |
| 18:25.04 | Tene | In the past two days, rakudo has gained support for the reduction meta operators, array slices and list assignment, and the hyper meta operator. |
| 18:26.49 | jsmith | But what about the super-hyper-meta operator? |
| 18:27.09 | Tene | > my @a = 1, 2, 3; my @b = 4, 5, 6; say [+] @a >>*<< @b; |
| 18:27.09 | Tene | 32 |
| 18:28.37 | Jayce^ | Tene, awesome |
| 18:33.43 | leibnitz | so is this like a college group? |
| 18:34.57 | Jayce^ | wow, you really are new :) |
| 18:35.15 | leibnitz | yeha |
| 18:35.16 | Jayce^ | more of a regional group |
| 18:35.17 | leibnitz | yeah |
| 18:35.19 | levi | No, it's like a group of hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings. |
| 18:35.28 | leibnitz | excellent. |
| 18:35.32 | harleypig | I'm John Belushi! |
| 18:35.46 | leibnitz | im in wendover. |
| 18:35.53 | harleypig | Animal House! W00T! |
| 18:35.57 | leibnitz | so I am right at the edge of your region :P |
| 18:36.25 | harleypig | Are you on the boring side? |
| 18:36.45 | leibnitz | nope, west wendover nevada. |
| 18:36.50 | harleypig | levi: I'm hyperintelligent? |
| 18:36.57 | Jayce^ | hyper-something |
| 18:37.03 | harleypig | hypo |
| 18:37.07 | leibnitz | though there are occasions where I drive to utah for dinner :) |
| 18:37.09 | harleypig | pssss ... ahhhh |
| 18:37.31 | harleypig | leibnitz: drive? |
| 18:38.19 | levi | Unfortunately, the projections into this dimension only have a fraction of the intellect accessible. |
| 18:38.42 | levi | It's the pan-dimensional being version of vegging in front of the TV. |
| 18:38.47 | harleypig | I wonder which portion of the entity I am |
| 18:39.09 | Jayce^ | Jon Harleypig is dead... He fell on his head... |
| 18:39.28 | leibnitz | the casino parking lots are in utah where the buildings themselves are in nevada. |
| 18:39.49 | harleypig | And on Sundays they server as church parking lots |
| 18:39.58 | leibnitz | so you drive to utah then walk to nevada |
| 18:40.09 | leibnitz | heh |
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| 18:49.52 | harleypig | Sealed with a curse as sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul and damned is your life. |
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| 18:51.16 | elg | leibnitz: welcome to the club of people in #utah that don't live in #utah (see topic) |
| 18:52.25 | harleypig | Lithium is no longer available on credit. |
| 18:54.47 | jsmith | Well, I'm an ex-(Utah)-pat hoarding food... does that count? |
| 18:56.34 | harleypig | Is anyone hoarding lithium? |
| 18:56.36 | elg | jsmith: of course not. food isn't scarce |
| 18:56.59 | elg | nevermind that food and other essential goods have actual intrinsic value |
| 18:57.07 | leibnitz | though it is plenty expensive |
| 18:57.51 | leibnitz | lithium? well ihave some batteries that I havn't thrown away. does that count as hoarding |
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| 19:08.52 | sjansen | Friends don't introduce friends to woot on the day of a woof off. |
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| 19:11.37 | Tene | sjansen: you didn't know about woot? |
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| 19:13.19 | sjansen | Tene: Do you think less of me now? |
| 19:14.00 | goozbach | it's a woot off today?! |
| 19:14.03 | goozbach | oh no! |
| 19:14.08 | goozbach | here goes my paycheck |
| 19:14.10 | leibnitz | you have been downgraded to 1336 |
| 19:19.58 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/funny-pictures-cat-prays-the-lock-on-the-door-works.jpg |
| 19:24.17 | jsmith | sjansen: Gee... I never noticed before how high Utah is on the "woots per capita" measurement |
| 19:27.20 | jalbretsen | sjansen: My dad's cat does the same thing when my brother's kids come over |
| 19:46.04 | Jayce^ | http://buffalobeast.com/133/bigthree.jpg |
| 19:46.27 | fozzmoo | wah wah waaaaah |
| 19:48.29 | levi | Ha ha, woot.com is parodying timecube. |
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| 20:02.07 | harleypig | Well I don't know where they come from |
| 20:02.12 | harleypig | But they sure do come |
| 20:02.18 | harleypig | I hope they comin' for me |
| 20:02.22 | harleypig | And I don't know how they do it |
| 20:02.27 | harleypig | But they sure do it good |
| 20:02.31 | harleypig | I hope they doin' it for free |
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| 21:10.09 | Tene | http://hop.perl.plover.com/book/ -- Finally! MJD put up HOP for free download. |
| 21:10.12 | brac | [Higher-Order Perl] |
| 21:10.48 | fozzmoo | w00t |
| 21:11.58 | Tene | srsly. He's been promising to do that for ages, and I keep trying to link people to it, but can't. |
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| 21:17.26 | sjansen | MJD++ for quoting Blues Brothers |
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| 21:31.16 | Tene | prods eightyeight |
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| 21:36.58 | eightyeight | Tene: yo |
| 21:37.17 | Tene | eightyeight: did I remember correctly that you've been learning perl lately? |
| 21:37.26 | eightyeight | no. that's zelut |
| 21:37.40 | Tene | ... huh. That's weird that I'd confuse you. |
| 21:37.49 | eightyeight | although, i've kept my interest in perl |
| 21:38.01 | eightyeight | we did discuss parrot over lunch with sjansen one day |
| 21:38.33 | Tene | I was going to pass on the link to Higher Order Perl that I just mentioned. You might find it interesting anyway, though. |
| 21:38.48 | eightyeight | yeah. i downloaded the pdf. taking a look over it now, actually |
| 21:41.22 | harleypig | -8ball Should I go for the frontal lobotomy? |
| 21:41.22 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... why the hell are you asking me? |
| 21:41.38 | harleypig | -8ball Should I go for the bottle in front of me? |
| 21:41.38 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... all signs point to no |
| 21:41.54 | zzzirk | foiled again |
| 21:41.55 | harleypig | -8ball Really, I want to go for the bottle in front of me. |
| 21:41.56 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... outlook not so good |
| 21:42.05 | harleypig | ARGH! |
| 21:42.10 | harleypig | -8ball bottle |
| 21:42.11 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... why the hell are you asking me? |
| 21:42.19 | harleypig | -8ball JD |
| 21:42.19 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... outlook not so good |
| 21:42.23 | zzzirk | falls over laughing |
| 21:42.35 | harleypig | -8ball Can I have a Pepsi then? |
| 21:42.36 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... no |
| 21:42.42 | harleypig | pouts |
| 21:42.50 | Tene | -8ball what about me? |
| 21:42.50 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... outlook not so good |
| 21:43.01 | fozzmoo | Outlook is never good. |
| 21:43.10 | zzzirk | what a truism |
| 21:46.21 | eightyeight | -8ball can i have a dr pepper? |
| 21:46.21 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... the answer is unclear |
| 21:46.29 | eightyeight | must be fresh out |
| 21:46.38 | harleypig | takes a hammer to bracs 8ball |
| 21:46.50 | harleypig | -8ball How about that JD now? |
| 21:46.50 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... outlook not so good |
| 21:46.56 | eightyeight | -8ball will harleypig beat you to a bloody pulp? |
| 21:46.56 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... all signs point to no |
| 21:46.58 | Tene | -8ball do Should I go home early today? |
| 21:46.59 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... why the hell are you asking me? |
| 21:47.15 | harleypig | -8ball Do you ever give a positive answer? |
| 21:47.15 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... no |
| 21:47.22 | harleypig | Well, there you go. |
| 21:47.25 | eightyeight | -8ball is harleypig sexy |
| 21:47.26 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... why the hell are you asking me? |
| 21:47.41 | harleypig | C'mon 8ball ... admit it! You think I'm sexy! |
| 21:47.49 | harleypig | -8ball Are you shy? |
| 21:47.49 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... why the hell are you asking me? |
| 21:48.20 | eightyeight | -chat 8ball is |
| 21:48.20 | brac | 8ball is |
| 21:48.38 | sjansen | -8ball will I accomplish anything today? |
| 21:48.39 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... all signs point to yes |
| 21:48.51 | eightyeight | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:48.51 | ibot | urinates on sjansen |
| 21:49.33 | sjansen | eightyeight: What?! That means I don't have an excuse to go home early. :-( |
| 21:49.55 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@wsddevdude.weber.k12.ut.us) |
| 21:50.19 | sjansen | Although I suppose I cheated. I'd just finished accomplishing something. |
| 21:50.31 | sjansen | -8ball Will I accomplish anything else today? |
| 21:50.32 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... outlook not so good |
| 21:50.54 | sjansen | Yay! Time to go home! |
| 22:02.42 | jlp_work | heh, "outlook not so good"... that magic 8 ball knows everything. |
| 22:04.33 | ^Migs^ | I just spent entirely too long browsing http://grouphug.us |
| 22:04.42 | ^Migs^ | some of those "confessions" are amusing |
| 22:04.58 | harleypig | *blink* |
| 22:06.48 | ^Migs^ | I even made an online confession: http://grouphug.us/confessions/700431834 |
| 22:07.15 | ^Migs^ | I wish I had something more controversial and edgy to confess |
| 22:07.29 | harleypig | You could make something up. |
| 22:07.40 | ^Migs^ | like half the submissions? |
| 22:08.04 | harleypig | Spot check of several make me want to call "BULLSHIT!" |
| 22:08.26 | ^Migs^ | yeah, but you don't REALLY know...that's the juicy secret |
| 22:08.36 | harleypig | true |
| 22:08.39 | harleypig | hmmm .... |
| 22:08.50 | harleypig | -8ball Should I do what I'm thinking of doing? |
| 22:08.50 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... all signs point to yes |
| 22:08.55 | harleypig | W00T! |
| 22:11.18 | jshipley | -8ball Do you know the answer to life, the universe, and everything? |
| 22:11.18 | brac | shakes the magic 8-ball... the answer is unclear |
| 22:11.29 | harleypig | That's the answer ... |
| 22:25.49 | sjansen | harleypig: Just don't do anything we might be subpoenaed to testify about later. |
| 22:26.46 | levi | Poor Jordy. |
| 22:27.01 | harleypig | sjansen: two words |
| 22:27.07 | harleypig | plausible deniability |
| 22:27.27 | harleypig | levi: what's wrong with jordy? |
| 22:27.58 | sjansen | levi: ? |
| 22:28.21 | levi | His political blog posts. |
| 22:28.38 | levi | Freaking Chuck Baldwin's newsletter? |
| 22:29.04 | levi | I think he broke the critical thinking part of his brain or something. |
| 22:29.58 | *** part/#utah shansen (n=shansen@206.71.94.10) |
| 22:31.25 | JoshH | levi sounds like a liberal elitist |
| 22:31.58 | levi | Not believing sort-of-Libertarian nutjobs makes me a liberal elitist? |
| 22:33.26 | JoshH | no, just saying that someone who does believe them can't think critically, but i do that all the time too :P |
| 22:33.59 | levi | I'm not sure what you were just trying to say. |
| 22:34.31 | sjansen | levi: Not owning a gun makes you a elitist liberal pinko bleeding heart tree hugging freedom hater. |
| 22:34.37 | elg | i wonder if i could have a passport within 4 weeks |
| 22:34.59 | sjansen | elg: Might have to pay to have it expedited, but probably yes. |
| 22:35.06 | elg | without paying for expedited |
| 22:35.10 | levi | elg: It may be possible if you already have your birth certificate and stuff. |
| 22:35.12 | jsmith | elg: Nope... |
| 22:35.16 | jsmith | elg: I wouldn't bet on it |
| 22:35.26 | jsmith | elg: Where are you going? |
| 22:35.34 | levi | sjansen: I own a nail gun. Doesn't that count? |
| 22:35.52 | elg | if i do, i can probably go to india (expenses paid) for this conference thing. all I have to do is pretend to care about us and india undergrads going on to get PhDs and give my input at the conference |
| 22:36.32 | levi | Pretending to care is an important life-skill, one that always merits good practice. |
| 22:36.43 | elg | truth |
| 22:36.44 | elg | http://www.iiit.ac.in/ICDCN09/ |
| 22:36.55 | elg | the conference looks interesting, though it's not my research area |
| 22:36.58 | elg | it'd be fun to attend |
| 22:37.05 | Jayce^ | elg, you'd have to expedite |
| 22:37.35 | JoshH | levi: you said you think he broke the critical thinking part of his brain, because he apparently read and/or reposted a Chuck Baldwin newsletter |
| 22:37.40 | elg | the website says they're processing nonexpedited passports in 3 week time as of today (dec 9) but i bet with christmas and new years in there it might be too tight |
| 22:37.40 | jsmith | That being said... the expedite fee is probably worth it, right? |
| 22:37.48 | jsmith | elg: Yup |
| 22:37.49 | JoshH | so i joked that you had an elitist attitude, but i actually feel the same way |
| 22:38.04 | elg | maybe. but we're really really strapped for cash now and $100 would be hard enough let alone $160 |
| 22:38.36 | levi | JoshH: Well, if it was Chuck Baldwin actually saying something that wasn't COMPLETELY STUPID, or if he hadn't given it such high praise... |
| 22:38.53 | eightyeight | elg: me, my wife and daughter got ours in 9 days. my brother in 12 |
| 22:39.22 | eightyeight | elg: further, you can go the their website, and pay to have it expidited later if need be |
| 22:39.27 | sjansen | I wouldn't call it COMPLETELY stupid. He is right that for 7 years the republicans didn't seem to care much about the rule of law and any sudden interest is completely hypocritical. |
| 22:39.36 | eightyeight | elg: you can track its status online |
| 22:39.41 | elg | here's the blurb |
| 22:39.42 | elg | http://pastebin.ca/1281128 |
| 22:40.41 | elg | sjansen: i agree with that. i sure hope the majority of conservatives aren't on this nutjob bandwagon that still refuses to believe obama was born in hawaii |
| 22:41.15 | elg | as for his father - iiuc if you're born in the us you're a natural citizen no matter who your parents are |
| 22:41.27 | levi | Libertarians yelling 'constitutional crisis!' are like the boy who cried wolf. |
| 22:41.56 | sjansen | Destined to eventually be right? |
| 22:42.09 | levi | Possibly. |
| 22:42.13 | elg | not entirely accurate. they're like the boy that turned on the wolf raid siren and never turned it off |
| 22:42.50 | levi | But their 'warnings' continue to be irrelevant, because there's no way to differentiate a real constitutional crisis from an invented one by listening to them. |
| 22:43.15 | JoshH | i honestly don't mind libertarians, except for the ones who are libertarian economically but not socially |
| 22:43.50 | sjansen | I mind pretty much all forms of religious extremism. |
| 22:43.54 | levi | I'm not sure you can really call them Libertarian. |
| 22:44.00 | elg | i consider myself a libertarian bent |
| 22:44.08 | elg | but not of the utah flavor |
| 22:44.29 | sjansen | I thought I had libertarian tendencies until this election forced me to realize just how wacko so many libertarians are. |
| 22:44.31 | elg | or maybe all states have libertarians as nuts as utah I don't know |
| 22:45.03 | elg | sjansen: my sentiments exactly |
| 22:45.25 | elg | i'm not yet prepared to give up the whole party for the wackos that I saw, but it wasn't encouraging |
| 22:45.39 | elg | the more I see the less aligned with any party I become |
| 22:45.49 | levi | I don't think it's a Utah thing, I think it's a philisophical thing. If you look at the surface of Libertarian-advocated policy, you can consider it a good thing in moderation. But when you look at the underlying philosophy, it's clear that no one who truly follows that philosophy would be content with moderation. |
| 22:46.50 | jsmith-away | Radical moderates unite! |
| 22:47.33 | Jayce^ | levi, you could probably s/Libertarian/Democrat/ or any other part there :) |
| 22:47.47 | levi | I support governance by consensus of a population of diverse ideas, not by a strict philisophical guide. |
| 22:48.21 | levi | Jayce^: I don't think Republicans or Democrats have an underlying philosophy tying them together like the Libertarians do. |
| 22:48.42 | Jayce^ | sure, greed |
| 22:49.09 | levi | Each is kind of an umbrella for a group of somewhat-related philosophies, causes, socio-economic groups, etc. |
| 22:49.20 | sjansen | Jayce^: You're thinking politicians. levi means party members. |
| 22:49.53 | Jayce^ | we're just a social-anachronistic-commune, with twice-weekly meetings in which we vote.... sounds familiar :) |
| 22:50.11 | Jayce^ | sjansen, meh, only party members that count are the politicians sjansen |
| 22:53.09 | elg | the only party members that count are the sjansen. |
| 22:53.25 | sjansen | One sjansen to rule them all. |
| 22:56.42 | eightyeight | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_spider.html |
| 23:08.30 | harleypig | shudders |
| 23:10.22 | levi | We love you, spider! |
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| 23:51.00 | Heartsbane | Wow http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/09/report-illinois-governor-taken-federal-custody/ |
| 23:55.31 | Heartsbane | that is political corruption at its highest |
| 23:56.36 | tensai | pashdown: there's a role model for ya! |
| 23:56.40 | zzzirk | Let's hear it from the state that brought us the St. Valentine's Day massacre! |
| 23:56.56 | pashdown | yeah i heard about that winner on npr this morning |
| 23:57.02 | harleypig | zzzirk: say what? |
| 23:57.17 | zzzirk | hands harleypig an 8-ball |
| 23:58.56 | harleypig | oooo ... shiny |
| 23:58.59 | zzzirk | s/from/for |
| 23:59.01 | zzzirk | sorry |
| 23:59.41 | harleypig | We got the St Valentines Day massacre from Ireland (or was it Scotland?) |
