| 00:00.28 | synic | bleh. We could do it, but it'd require some software rewriting |
| 00:00.28 | synic | which we're already doing, but it isn't complete |
| 00:01.08 | rsimpkins | synic: I would only recommend going that large with specialized systems. maybe a sun box running zfs. |
| 00:01.20 | synic | we really just need another NAS locally here, heh. |
| 00:01.23 | rsimpkins | synic: And - even that is a little radical. |
| 00:01.32 | tensai | "DRBD+ mirrors more than 4 TB in a single DRBD device" is a commercial feature from linbit |
| 00:01.45 | unum | for our new raid array we are going zfs |
| 00:01.49 | unum | we need snap shots |
| 00:01.58 | rsimpkins | synic: I was talking to Rick - he said they had some spare iq6000s kicking around. I wonder if you can get them for a deal, along with syncIQ - then it'd work like a charm. |
| 00:02.16 | levi | unum: The downside to that is that the dialogues of Socrates were not written by Socrates. There is a point to the scholarship surrounding the ancient greek philosophers. |
| 00:02.25 | rsimpkins | synic: However, there is no real reason to buy it if you can make the software work across multiple paritions. |
| 00:02.52 | rsimpkins | unum: zfs isn't the only filesystem with snaps. Although, I do think zfs is freakin' rad. |
| 00:03.25 | rsimpkins | unum: Are you going to be running it on solaris? |
| 00:03.35 | synic | rsimpkins: hrmm |
| 00:03.59 | unum | rsimpkins: ya |
| 00:04.07 | rsimpkins | unum: Right on. |
| 00:04.07 | unum | levi: socrates didn't write anything |
| 00:04.25 | unum | ya we're replacing our netware server with it |
| 00:04.40 | unum | unfortunatly linux just couldn't do what we needed |
| 00:04.46 | levi | unum: Indeed. |
| 00:04.48 | unum | I looked at some stuff in fusefs |
| 00:04.53 | rsimpkins | unum: use the right tool for the right job. :) |
| 00:05.05 | rsimpkins | Unless you can't afford the tool - then a hammer is pretty good for most things. |
| 00:05.11 | unum | but the IT manager didn't like that rought for some reason |
| 00:05.48 | rsimpkins | Well, I need to get along home. I'm on call tonight and need to dig in. :) |
| 00:05.49 | rsimpkins | <<out |
| 00:06.01 | rsimpkins | synic: oh, feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions. :) |
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| 00:10.53 | synic | rsimpkins: alright |
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| 01:52.06 | goozbach | firecatchers a hit with the scouts tonight |
| 02:04.51 | tensai | goozbach: do tell |
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| 02:07.59 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 02:07.59 | brac | tattoos the Windows symbol on tensai's ass |
| 02:08.10 | elg | ~lie rsimpkins |
| 02:08.11 | ibot | rsimpkins I deem you to be a liar, I am above reproach and my word is law. So it has been writen, so it shall be. |
| 02:08.25 | elg | no, lie *to* him |
| 02:08.32 | elg | preferably a comforting lie |
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| 05:22.15 | Sargun_Screen | Nafai: how is it |
| 05:26.04 | Nafai | I like it a lot |
| 05:26.23 | Nafai | Looking forward to developing some apps for it |
| 05:35.14 | high_roller | I'm going to be picking one up soon |
| 05:35.22 | high_roller | as soon as I can sell my BB pearl |
| 05:37.44 | high_roller | if you sign up with tmobile by dec. 24th, you get a free companion airline pass |
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| 17:01.45 | levi | So, I wrote a cool little thing in Factor last night. |
| 17:04.11 | levi | It's a parser for simple infix arithmetic, including local variable lookup, that compiles to a quotation (which is what you call anonymous functions in Factor). And also a parsing word that runs the infix parser at parse time, so it integrates seamlessly with local variable-enabled word definitions. |
| 17:06.18 | Nafai | Factor rocks :) |
| 17:07.16 | levi | Oh, hey, I didn't see you in here before. |
| 17:08.02 | unum | hi nafai |
| 17:08.19 | Nafai | I just joined again yesterday |
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| 17:08.21 | Nafai | Hi guys |
| 17:08.30 | levi | http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=235 |
| 17:13.59 | levi | Not very much code, but it took a long time to get it right. :) |
| 17:15.24 | harleypig | macedamia nuts! |
| 17:15.50 | levi | But the upshot is that you can do USING: locals infix-math ; :: foo ( a b -- c ) I[ (a+b)*3 - a/2 ] ; |
| 17:16.08 | levi | And then you have a foo word that runs the equation on those two variables. |
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| 17:19.54 | unum | so has anyone else had trouble with ldap hanging |
| 17:21.03 | unum | atleast I think it's ldap |
| 17:21.20 | unum | we have to servers that use nfs and ldap from the same servers |
| 17:21.23 | unum | and they both hang |
| 17:21.37 | harleypig | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=116 |
| 17:21.39 | unum | though my other machine stopped hanging when I disabled the nfs.... |
| 17:21.48 | unum | it still uses ldap |
| 17:28.01 | sjansen | I would like to offer my condolences to all Perl developers. Perl was an interesting language and its death is unfortunate. |
| 17:30.38 | vontrapp | just when it was starting to get REAL interesting?? |
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| 17:33.53 | Jayce^ | wonders what sjansen is stirring the pot with |
| 17:34.06 | sjansen | http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010 |
| 17:34.21 | Jayce^ | ah, ovid |
| 17:34.57 | unum | I'm afraid my favorite threads on plug are the crazy political rants |
| 17:36.19 | high_roller | utah is full of crazy politics |
| 17:37.36 | unum | mostly of the right wing variety |
| 17:37.54 | vontrapp | there's crazy politics everywhere |
| 17:38.22 | vontrapp | but utah has more than it's fair share of crazy right wing |
| 17:38.32 | unum | I heard boston is supposed to have some political people that aren't crazy |
| 17:38.33 | Jayce^ | yeah, but unum is disgusted because he agrees with the CA version :) |
| 17:38.34 | dataw0lf | win 6 |
| 17:38.47 | Jayce^ | FAIL |
| 17:38.48 | unum | where as the west coast is left wing crazy |
| 17:39.16 | Jayce^ | s/west/any/ |
| 17:39.52 | unum | I have had intelligent discussions with libertarions |
| 17:40.00 | unum | just not any from utah valley |
| 17:40.09 | unum | and I've had intelligent discussions with liberals |
| 17:40.16 | unum | just not from the west coast |
| 17:40.19 | unum | ;P |
| 17:40.30 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 17:41.14 | Sargun | heh. |
| 17:41.43 | unum | actually when I was taking USU polisci class the classes were taught by knowledgable libertarians, but the students that lapped it up where idiots |
| 17:42.34 | unum | one guy(president of the college republicans) tried to tell me that private enterprise invented the computer |
| 17:43.52 | vontrapp | is that supposed to be crazy? |
| 17:43.55 | unum | if you're going to make up history should make up history outside of the strong suite of your opponent |
| 17:44.00 | vontrapp | either it's true or not true, but either way it's not crazy |
| 17:44.20 | sjansen | http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/60-really-cool-and-creative-error-404-pages/ |
| 17:45.19 | unum | it's representative of how most libertarians just make history to fit their already created view points |
| 17:45.27 | unum | I know most west coast liberal do the same thing |
| 17:45.29 | elg | it's crazy to believe and preach something that is provably false |
| 17:45.38 | unum | elg: thanks |
| 17:45.47 | elg | the falsehood may be simply false, the preacher is crazy |
| 17:45.59 | vontrapp | ok, i'll give you that |
| 17:46.01 | sjansen | vontrapp: Inventing lies to support an ideology you can't support using facts is a rejection of reality. Ergo, crazy. |
| 17:46.08 | unum | I was going to say it's crazy to decide your view point and then write history to fit it |
| 17:46.38 | vontrapp | just so long as it's not like "free enterprise made computers?? pshaww, only government can do that" |
| 17:47.22 | vontrapp | the idea isn't crazy |
| 17:47.30 | vontrapp | it's holding on to in in spite of evidence that's crazy |
| 17:47.53 | vontrapp | unum said nothing about what evidence was proffered this particular man |
| 17:47.59 | vontrapp | just implied the idea was crazy |
| 17:48.20 | elg | vontrapp: nobody said free enterprise couldn't. just that it didn't |
| 17:48.35 | unum | well I was refferring more back to my "the students were idiots" |
| 17:48.35 | vontrapp | well ok, so the idea is false, not crazy |
| 17:48.39 | sjansen | vontrapp: You're reality distortion field cause you to jump to conclusions again. |
| 17:48.53 | vontrapp | sjansen: perhaps, i apologize |
| 17:49.18 | sjansen | spell gud sumdai |
| 17:50.21 | unum | you know we probably should rename our currency to something like the amero |
| 17:50.26 | vontrapp | google thinks it's good sunday |
| 17:50.34 | unum | after all aren't we trying to get a way from all things french |
| 17:51.03 | sjansen | votes to rename our currenty the Royal |
| 17:51.27 | vontrapp | i say we call em fingers |
| 17:51.40 | vontrapp | "I'll give you a finger for that" |
| 17:56.58 | levi | Anyone here into mountain biking? http://mountainranchbikepark.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:02.37 | levi | Private enterprise has invented all sorts of computer-related things, but to answer who invented 'the computer' would require a bit more definition of what you mean by 'invent' and 'the computer'. |
| 18:03.20 | levi | Although a lot of very influential computer inventions were private/public/academic partnerships. |
| 18:05.00 | levi | ENIAC, the first turing-complete software-reprogrammable computer, was built at a university using Army dollars. |
| 18:07.14 | elg | although not inconceivable, I find it unlikely that early computers would have been invented outside of a university setting. without the war, maybe they would have been funded by something like the NSF or even private funding instead of the military. who knows. it would have come down to who had the vision and the money i guess |
| 18:10.35 | harleypig | bulbous bouffant |
| 18:11.03 | elg | i like people other than me to be biking on mountains |
| 18:11.33 | sjansen | macadamia |
| 18:11.38 | levi | nuts |
| 18:11.48 | harleypig | wonders if God would wear protective gear whilst biking in the mountains ... |
| 18:12.12 | elg | i think not |
| 18:12.23 | elg | that'd be like wearing protective gear while walking |
| 18:12.27 | elg | past the age of 1 |
| 18:12.28 | levi | Perhaps he would, to set an example. |
| 18:12.37 | elg | if not wearing it were a sin perhaps |
| 18:12.46 | elg | but it would only be a sin in utah |
| 18:12.50 | harleypig | or what about when boxing, or playing football ... |
| 18:13.05 | harleypig | God does bareknuckle fighting! Cool! |
| 18:13.09 | vontrapp | elg: i'll bike on mountains for you |
| 18:13.19 | elg | you have my blessing |
| 18:13.38 | elg | well as for boxing i tink the point is to do less damage to your opponent |
| 18:13.44 | elg | in which case he'd have the thickest gloves of all |
| 18:14.01 | harleypig | *blink* What kind of boxing are you talking about? |
| 18:14.34 | harleypig | I think it'd be cool to see God do a spin kick ... |
| 18:14.57 | levi | Boxing matches with God would be pretty dull. I mean, where's the suspense? |
| 18:15.00 | Jayce^ | cue chuck norris jokes |
| 18:15.22 | vontrapp | levi: where's this bike park? open to anyone? it looks really cool |
| 18:15.24 | elg | -chucknorris |
| 18:15.25 | brac | When Chuck Norris answers the phone, he just says "Go". This is not permission for you to begin speaking, it is your cue to start running for your life. [score=6.788] |
| 18:15.43 | levi | vontrapp: Eagle Mountain. And it's currently closed for construction, but it will be open for everyone. |
| 18:15.59 | harleypig | levi: If God boxed another god, who would win? |
| 18:16.03 | vontrapp | now i just need a decent bike |
| 18:16.04 | elg | well i'm no pro boxer or follower, but it seems to me the only point to wearing soft gloves is to protect your opponent to some degree, and your knuckles |
| 18:16.08 | jshipley | If you count counting machines as computers (they're not general purpose, but they do compute) then I'd say that it was really bright curious people that built them, not free enterprise or government |
| 18:16.15 | elg | if it were just your knuckles, you'd have padded interior but hard exterior gloves |
| 18:16.16 | levi | Thanks to public funding from the city of Eagle Mountain and the hard work of local bikers. :) |
| 18:16.52 | Jayce^ | voted for it |
| 18:17.17 | Jayce^ | actually, the bike one was a poll :) |
| 18:17.20 | levi | jshipley: Well, 'bright curious people' inventing things on their own will probably be claimed by the free enterprise system. |
| 18:17.38 | jshipley | levi: and by the government funded research system |
| 18:17.58 | jshipley | well, except for the "on their own" bit |
| 18:18.04 | levi | I mean, if they did it independent of the research system. |
| 18:18.12 | levi | There are plenty of independent inventors. |
| 18:19.06 | elg | we need more mathemeticians dreaming up stuff they can't build |
| 18:19.34 | elg | nmsu fired its football coach |
| 18:19.42 | levi | We need more builders dreaming up stuff they can't mathematize! ;) |
| 18:19.42 | jshipley | General purpose computers though, were university/government creations, as was the internet |
| 18:20.11 | jshipley | and free enterprise is what's ruining it all (ie net neutrality) :) |
| 18:20.15 | elg | so al gore counts as the govt because he was working for the govt at the time? |
| 18:20.56 | unum | the first counting machines were built to help with the census iirc |
| 18:21.08 | unum | by individual for government money :) |
| 18:21.49 | jshipley | al gore should just be ignored... he's crazy :) |
| 18:22.18 | levi | He also created the Algore-ithm. ;) |
| 18:22.33 | *** kick/#utah [levi!n=jayce@office.bluehost.com] by Jayce^ (sorry, but that deserves it...) |
| 18:22.39 | unum | al gore claim to "inventing the internet" was that he helped secure the funding that was given to vint cerf |
| 18:23.17 | unum | does anyone know why we call algebra algebra |
| 18:23.32 | goozbach | unum: no, why? |
| 18:23.36 | harleypig | Why do we care about Alge's bra? |
| 18:23.52 | Nafai | goozbach: So I'm really liking my G1! I got it yesterday. |
| 18:24.01 | unum | al gebra was the author of the most popular text book on the subject |
| 18:24.06 | unum | yes, he's arabian |
| 18:24.24 | elg | cool |
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| 18:24.30 | unum | it was invented by the indian and introduced to europe by the ariabians |
| 18:24.32 | goozbach | Nafai: yeah? tried compare anywhere yet |
| 18:24.49 | goozbach | ? |
| 18:25.32 | jshipley | unum: where did you find that out? |
| 18:25.50 | levi | Anyway, now that people are actually here, check out this cool thing I wrote in Factor last night: ws. it would have come |
| 18:25.59 | levi | Oops. |
| 18:26.04 | levi | http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=235 |
| 18:26.14 | Nafai | goozbach: Not yet, but I have tried Shop Savvy |
| 18:27.26 | jshipley | al-jabr, the namesake of algebra is an arabic work that means, I believe, something like computation. It comes from a treatise named "al-Kitab al-mukhtasar fi hisab al-jabr w'al-muqabala or The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion [or Restoring] and Balancing" written by al-Khwarizmi |
| 18:27.56 | unum | jshipley: a book I read on the number 0 |
| 18:28.11 | jshipley | the word algorithm came from the name al-Khwarizmi |
| 18:28.22 | levi | It uses the Parsing Expression Grammar library to parse infix arithmetic into an anonymous function, and then uses a parsing word to do that at parse time so that the new syntax can fit seamlessly into the parser. |
| 18:28.42 | unum | maybe my author mixed somethings up(or I did) |
| 18:28.54 | jshipley | The things you learn from advanced algorithms classes, wikipedia, and other random places :) |
| 18:30.09 | elg | i prefer ali-babba to al-jabr |
| 18:30.38 | jshipley | of course, he had theives (almost pirates) instead of numbers :) |
| 18:30.49 | levi | Arrrrrr! |
| 18:31.37 | unum | so algorithm came for his name and algebra came from the arabic word meaning reunion |
| 18:32.10 | unum | the history of zero is actually pretty interesting |
| 18:32.18 | fozzmoo | I feel sorry for Mr. Dumas. |
| 18:32.31 | levi | I read a book on the history of zero, and it was very interesting. |
| 18:32.49 | unum | I read one on pi as well |
| 18:32.57 | unum | I wonder how long of a history e has |
| 18:33.08 | jshipley | fozzmoo: why, because he's french? |
| 18:33.09 | levi | I didn't read one on pi, but I did read one on phi, the golden ratio. |
| 18:33.22 | fozzmoo | jshipley: No, because Dumbass was named after him. :) |
| 18:35.02 | jshipley | fozzmoo: really? that sounds like a word that would have come into being all on it's own even without a similar sounding name |
| 18:35.46 | jshipley | then again, I can imagine a lot of highschoolers that don't want to read any of his books (excellent as some of them are) calling him that |
| 18:36.00 | levi | So, no love for my cool Factor code, eh? |
| 18:38.20 | jshipley | that's pretty cool. I don't know Factor, but it pretty much reads like a grammar |
| 18:38.47 | levi | And the parser for the grammar is implemented in pretty much the same way. |
| 18:38.58 | levi | Except it's way more complex. :) |
| 18:39.30 | Nafai | It is awesome that Factor is flexible enough that you can write things that look pretty close to EBNF |
| 18:40.00 | levi | The cool thing is that when these things are implemented like that, they run at parse time and their results are then subject to the optimizing compiler. |
| 18:40.49 | levi | So the infix code gets converted to stack-based code, and then it's compiled normally. |
| 18:41.38 | levi | And the grammars are compiled as well. |
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| 18:50.37 | elg | toys with a frost cloth or plastic canopy over the garden and keep on going right through dec and jan |
| 18:51.15 | fozzmoo | elg: Just move everything into your house, man. |
| 18:51.24 | elg | too small |
| 18:54.05 | levi | elg: I tried that, but the tomatoes still froze. |
| 18:54.27 | elg | well i'm thinking of more cold-hardy plants like greens and roots |
| 18:54.36 | elg | i don't expect to save the tomatos. in fact i mean not to |
| 18:54.57 | levi | My tomatoes have been gone for a long time. |
| 18:55.11 | fozzmoo | My dad saved his plants for a couple months doing the plastic sheeting and a couple lightbulbs. |
| 18:55.11 | levi | Darned cold Utah fall. |
| 18:55.20 | elg | if the tomatoes do survive, i'll make a cutting and start a new plant |
| 18:55.36 | fozzmoo | This was back when I was a kid. Things are different now, with all that global climate change. |
| 19:01.01 | levi | Funny thing--When we pulled out all the garden plants, apparently we disturbed the soil enough to get a couple of peas that hadn't sprouted before to start growing. |
| 19:01.43 | elg | my peas that have been suffering under the shade of my overambitious marigolds and basil have been enjoying a rebound |
| 19:01.51 | elg | s/have been/had been/ |
| 19:02.14 | levi | Yeah, I think nearby squash kept my peas from really doing anything. |
| 19:02.33 | fozzmoo | I should have tilled the garden like mad this Fall but I didn't. |
| 19:02.48 | fozzmoo | Now we're probably going to have to deal with squash bugs again next year. |
| 19:03.03 | elg | both the basil and marigolds (and tomatoes, but no complaints there) got much larger than they had any right to |
| 19:03.18 | elg | i think there's something to "mel's mix" |
| 19:03.21 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, just layer some green manure on top, and newspaper, let it rot all winter, then till up in the spring |
| 19:03.49 | levi | My tomatoes got way too big and most of the fruit didn't have time to ripen. |
| 19:03.55 | elg | hooray for compost |
| 19:04.56 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: That sounds like it'll keep those squashbugs in a nice resort all winter. |
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| 19:09.15 | vontrapp | squash bug party at Jayce^'s! |
| 19:11.45 | harleypig | mukluks |
| 19:13.52 | levi | Ooh, Android phone #2 unveiled. |
| 19:15.19 | Nafai | Only in .au though |
| 19:15.43 | levi | No, it'll ship worldwide according to what I've read. |
| 19:15.49 | Nafai | Oh |
| 19:15.53 | Nafai | That's nice |
| 19:18.46 | fozzmoo | Nice form factor. |
| 19:19.03 | fozzmoo | I wish the screen was a little denser, tho. MY centro has a nicer LCD. |
| 19:20.40 | levi | Very nice thing is that it's unlocked, and the price is not carrier-subsidized. |
| 19:25.23 | goozbach | url url! |
| 19:25.36 | elg | -urls |
| 19:25.36 | brac | no urls seen yet for channel #utah |
| 19:25.41 | elg | you moron |
| 19:25.56 | goozbach | I'm not a moron |
| 19:26.00 | levi | goozbach: The story is on slashdot. |
| 19:26.05 | elg | brac is |
| 19:26.06 | goozbach | there hasn't been a url posted yet |
| 19:26.09 | levi | I'm sure google also knows about it. |
| 19:26.16 | levi | goozbach: You could be the one to do it! |
| 19:26.18 | elg | i was going to get you a few urls |
| 19:26.24 | elg | not necessarily the ones you were looking for |
| 19:26.56 | elg | if you're anti-/., http://apcmag.com/breaking_first_australian_android_phone_revealed.htm |
| 19:27.46 | high_roller | does anyone know how to make sendmail use the /etc/hosts file before using dns? I've tried adding the service.switch file, but its still using the dns entry for the mail server |
| 19:28.18 | elg | the rules of IRC require me to say |
| 19:28.21 | elg | you want postfix |
| 19:28.42 | levi | You're working with sendmail? |
| 19:28.43 | elg | -chat sendmail is |
| 19:28.43 | brac | sendmail is |
| 19:28.49 | levi | Okay, first thing you need is a chicken... |
| 19:28.50 | elg | -chat you're using |
| 19:28.50 | brac | you're using the dns tests? |
| 19:29.06 | high_roller | no , just sending mail and watching the mail logs |
| 19:29.30 | high_roller | this is on a webserver that is sending out mail from the web app |
| 19:29.42 | elg | your mta (i shudder to think it might be sendmail) is looking up the MX record in DNS because that's what it's supposed to do |
| 19:29.55 | high_roller | yes, but how do I get it to stop doing that? |
| 19:30.16 | elg | you start by determining which MTA is in use |
| 19:30.23 | high_roller | sendmail |
| 19:30.35 | elg | then you need a chicken... |
| 19:31.26 | high_roller | -bash: chicken: command not found |
| 19:31.29 | high_roller | :( |
| 19:31.36 | high_roller | is joking btw |
| 19:32.48 | levi | When I type 'chicken', I get a Scheme interpreter. :) |
| 19:33.15 | high_roller | so I think I might try do something with SMART_HOST |
| 19:34.06 | levi | You'll also need a knife, a pan, several spooky-looking candles, and a dark room. |
| 19:37.55 | elg | vontrapp: so wait, gold is better than paper because it's a limited supply, but gold is scalable because there are so many atoms that the supply is practically unlimited? |
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| 19:50.31 | levi | elg: Gold is better because that's how they used to do it in the days of the Founding Fathers. It's all been downhill since then. |
| 19:54.53 | fozzmoo | levi: I'm glad you're coming around. ;-) |
| 19:55.47 | fozzmoo | ~seen sjansen |
| 19:55.51 | ibot | sjansen is currently on #utah (2h 37m 38s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1h 44m 18s, last said: 'macadamia'. |
| 19:56.29 | unum | I love messing with Ron Paul fans by bringing up alexander hamilton. |
| 19:57.15 | unum | "you're right we should eliminate the federal reserve and set up a central bank to control the nation's economy just like washington's administration did" |
| 19:57.35 | unum | suddenly all the founding father were right execept for hamilton.... |
| 19:57.59 | fozzmoo | Hamilton (and Burr) are proof just because you're famous, doesn't mean you're infallible. |
| 20:00.58 | unum | adams and washington both supported the central bank as well(they just weren't the main force behind it like hamilton) |
| 20:01.39 | unum | I just get mad when people throw the founding fathers stuff at me. THEY DIDN'T AGREE ON ANYTHING!! |
| 20:06.22 | fozzmoo | unum: That's not exactly true. |
| 20:06.41 | fozzmoo | There was a lot of debate, but, just like today, it was largely on details. |
| 20:07.05 | fozzmoo | Generally, they agreed the US should declare its independence from England |
| 20:07.21 | fozzmoo | Generally, they agreed in the structure of govt set up by the constitution. |
| 20:07.47 | fozzmoo | Generally, they agreed that the government should protect the people's freedom to worship. |
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| 20:07.59 | fozzmoo | And so on. |
| 20:08.50 | fozzmoo | "Worship?!" you say. "Those old idiots worshipped?! They must have been crazy, stupid men!" |
| 20:08.58 | fozzmoo | And here we are today. |
| 20:16.10 | levi | Well, many of the founding fathers weren't particularly worshipful, though they recognized that freedom to do so according to one's conscience was important. |
| 20:17.20 | levi | I guess it depends on what you mean by 'worship', though. |
| 20:24.51 | sjansen | ~wake fozzmoo |
| 20:24.52 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on fozzmoo and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:27.08 | elg | -chat if i |
| 20:27.08 | brac | if i was going to wait until the mpaa gets them in the mirror fail. |
| 20:34.36 | elg | anyone have a digital photo frame? |
| 20:35.55 | levi | Not personally, but my parents have them. |
| 20:36.19 | elg | we're getting one for my wife's parents, and I'm trying to figure out how to load the memory card |
| 20:36.39 | elg | will it look recursively? what sorting order? etc. |
| 20:36.42 | elg | the manual is no help |
| 20:37.07 | levi | The manual is written for people who don't understand the word 'recursive'. :) |
| 20:37.32 | elg | :) |
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| 20:38.53 | jshipley | even if they don't know 'recursive', they should be at least able to understand sub-directory |
| 20:39.47 | jshipley | and anybody who designs a digital photo frame that doesn't recursively look for pictures should be fired for designing a bad product |
| 20:40.07 | jshipley | :) |
| 20:40.41 | elg | i'm not really very concerned that it won't recurse, since most cameras I'm familiar with store their photos at least 2 levels deep (of meaningless (to me) otherwise-empty subdirectories0 |
| 20:41.00 | elg | but i would like to be sure and maybe even see how it's sorted |
| 20:43.58 | elg | i'll probably just stick them all in the root and rename them so they are all-caps and alphanumerically would be sorted by date |
| 20:51.21 | levi | Or you could just dump them all on and let them be displayed in whatever order. |
| 20:52.03 | elg | that would be a waste of geekdom |
| 20:52.26 | elg | the real hard part of course will be finding a card reader |
| 20:52.47 | elg | i suppose this zaurus i have lying around could be put to the task... if i can remember how |
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| 20:53.45 | elg | -chat why did |
| 20:53.46 | brac | why did |
| 20:53.49 | jshipley | ibot: what? |
| 20:53.53 | elg | why did the chicken cross the road? |
| 20:53.56 | elg | -chat why did |
| 20:53.56 | brac | why did the chicken cross the road? |
| 20:54.06 | elg | you naive little bot |
| 20:54.15 | jshipley | why did you ask that? |
| 20:54.18 | jshipley | -chat why did |
| 20:54.18 | brac | why did you know we probably should rename our currency to something like that |
| 20:54.48 | jshipley | oh, I thought he might have been mimicking the last line starting with 'why did' |
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| 21:08.42 | elg | -chat i thought |
| 21:08.43 | brac | i thought it was a little last night, but got tired of waiting for zoneedit to expire records. |
| 21:09.28 | goozbach | -chat goozbach went |
| 21:09.28 | brac | goozbach went |
| 21:09.39 | goozbach | -chat goozbach is |
| 21:09.39 | brac | goozbach is pretty close to a Steve Dibb blog post. |
| 21:09.44 | elg | goozbach went to buy pineapple |
| 21:09.50 | elg | -chat goozbach went |
| 21:09.50 | brac | goozbach went to buy them... Philippe said no. |
| 21:10.01 | elg | ooh, dissed by philippe |
| 21:10.11 | goozbach | -chat Philippe said |
| 21:10.11 | brac | Philippe said no. |
| 21:10.14 | elg | -chat i wish |
| 21:10.14 | brac | i wish I could understand the love for my day-glo speedos: keep'em-ins (barely)! |
| 21:10.40 | levi | Ow. |
| 21:10.43 | levi | -chat i wish |
| 21:10.43 | brac | i wish I would have come into being all on it's own even without a similar sounding name |
| 21:10.54 | jshipley | -chat what is |
| 21:10.54 | brac | what is there a good audio book on the DVR |
| 21:20.53 | harleypig | brac remembered something I said! w00t! |
| 21:21.54 | jshipley | -chat brac |
| 21:21.54 | brac | brac went |
| 21:21.56 | jshipley | -chat brac |
| 21:21.56 | brac | brac was |
| 21:21.57 | jshipley | -chat brac |
| 21:21.58 | brac | brac is dumb |
| 21:22.20 | jshipley | perfect. my work here is done |
| 21:23.56 | unum | more of them thought we should seperate than england than thought we shouldn't |
| 21:24.05 | unum | not all of them agreed |
| 21:24.30 | unum | most of them supported their states in having a state religion, they just didn't agree on what the national religion should be |
| 21:25.02 | unum | in 1787 most of them agreed that the central government should be stronger than it was |
| 21:25.17 | unum | but all of them didn't agree on anything |
| 21:28.32 | harleypig | http://www.xkcdb.com/?1122 |
| 21:28.33 | brac | [XKCDB: The #xkcd Quote Database] |
| 21:45.50 | harleypig | Does anyone know if it's possible to tag just a subset of files from a repository? |
| 21:49.06 | jshipley | harleypig: what sort of repository? |
| 21:51.25 | harleypig | that would be helpful, wouldn't it :/ Sorry |
| 21:51.28 | harleypig | it's a cvs repository |
| 21:54.37 | eightyeight | redbeard2: power hiccup. server is back up |
| 21:55.06 | harleypig | bbiab |
| 21:59.56 | jshipley | harleypig: yes, you can tag a subset of files |
| 22:00.24 | jshipley | tag best-file-ever foo.c |
| 22:00.32 | jshipley | would tag foo.c |
| 22:04.34 | harleypig | jshipley: thx |
| 22:35.50 | levi | OMG, someone suggested that JEFFERSON was WRONG. Get a rope! ;) |
| 22:37.49 | unum | hides |
| 23:06.56 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.03 | Jayce^ | WIN |
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| 23:39.36 | elg | -chat should i |
| 23:39.36 | brac | should i do a cron job check-for-scotts-head.pl |
| 23:39.43 | elg | yes |
| 23:41.12 | jshipley | -chat i should |
| 23:41.12 | brac | i should probably have done the update there |
| 23:41.19 | jshipley | -chat what the |
| 23:41.19 | brac | what the poll interval is |
| 23:51.07 | elg | heh. "Microsoft names ex-Yahoo exec to top Internet post" |
| 23:51.11 | elg | i'm quaking in my boots ya hear |