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| 02:32.26 | brac | ::openclue:: Aaron Toponce: GNU Shred @ http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/pthree/~3/473095795/ (by nospam@nospam.com (Aaron)) |
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| 03:03.55 | Tene | levi: what was annoying you about Terminator? |
| 03:06.22 | levi | Tene: Not annoying, frustrating. |
| 03:06.41 | Tene | Howso? |
| 03:07.24 | levi | It's frustrating in a semi-good way, in that there's a lot of unresolved conflict that I want to know the resolution to, but I know I probably won't get answers for a very long time. |
| 03:19.13 | levi | reads about seam carving. |
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| 03:39.04 | brac | ::openclue:: =Utah Open Source=: Ogg Theora and Xvid AVI versions of UTOSC 2008 videos @ http://blog.utos.org/2008/12/01/ogg-theora-and-xvid-avi-versions-of-utosc-2008-videos/ (by nospam@nospam.com (Doran Barton)) |
| 03:39.04 | brac | ::openclue:: =Utah Open Source=: Video: Aaron Bockover of Novell - The Banshee Media Player @ http://blog.utos.org/2008/12/02/video-aaron-bockover-of-novell-the-banshee-media-player/ (by nospam@nospam.com (Doran Barton)) |
| 04:34.04 | brac | ::openclue:: Phil Windley: Reactivating Vista in Parallels 4.0 @ http://www.windley.com/archives/2008/12/reactivating_vista_in_parallels_40.shtml (by nospam@nospam.com) |
| 04:34.04 | brac | ::openclue:: Phil Windley: Verizon Calendar Math @ http://www.windley.com/archives/2008/12/verizon_calendar_math.shtml (by nospam@nospam.com) |
| 04:55.46 | eightyeight | brac is annoying |
| 04:56.01 | eightyeight | /ignore brac |
| 04:59.31 | Sargun | especially with his feed crap |
| 05:02.04 | levi | eightyeight: Sorry to hear about your job. |
| 05:27.12 | herlo | how is brac doing that anyway? Is there a script that's programmed into him to read rss feeds? Who can turn it off? |
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| 06:16.24 | levi | herlo: I think elg owns brac, and yes, he's got a feed reader script. |
| 06:21.34 | tensai | -rss show |
| 06:21.35 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help rss' |
| 06:21.40 | tensai | -help rss |
| 06:21.40 | brac | manage RSS feeds: rss types|show|list|watched|add|change|del(ete)|rm|(force)replace|watch|unwatch|rmwatch|rewatch|who watches |
| 06:21.52 | tensai | -rss list |
| 06:21.52 | brac | openclue: http://openclue.org/feed/rss/ (in format: default) (watched) |
| 06:21.52 | brac | harleypig: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/5772502.rss (in format: default) |
| 06:22.24 | tensai | -rss unwatch openclue |
| 06:22.24 | brac | #utah has been removed from the watchlist for openclue |
| 06:22.37 | tensai | hey, wow. I thought it wouldn't let me. |
| 06:22.40 | Sargun | neat. |
| 06:22.43 | Sargun | thank you tensai |
| 06:23.20 | herlo | needs to get him to move it from openclue.org to planet.utos.org since they will be diverging soon |
| 06:25.06 | tensai | updated his reader to planet.utos.org |
| 06:25.19 | tensai | I like the cute pictures in the feed |
| 06:26.06 | herlo | tensai: tx |
| 06:26.08 | tensai | -rss change openclue http://planet.utos.org/rss20.xml |
| 06:26.08 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help rss' |
| 06:26.25 | herlo | tensai: do you have a feed there? |
| 06:26.28 | tensai | yup |
| 06:26.36 | tensai | just don't post enough |
| 06:26.45 | herlo | ahh, indeed |
| 06:26.52 | herlo | need a hackergotchi though :) |
| 06:26.54 | levi | herlo: What's openclue.org going to be? The current list of blogs? |
| 06:27.22 | tensai | herlo: I had a hackergotchi on openclue. did you migrate them? |
| 06:27.41 | herlo | levi: well, openclue will still be around, the difference is that planet.utos.org will be providing customized rss feeds. You know, ones that have only tech, or ones that have everything, LUGs only, etc. |
| 06:27.55 | herlo | tensai: no, when gabe moved to feedjack they went away |
| 06:28.45 | herlo | levi: consider it a fork |
| 06:29.10 | levi | Could I specifically filter out paranoid political rants? |
| 06:29.27 | herlo | levi: quite possibly |
| 06:29.37 | tensai | levi: but not the rational ones? |
| 06:29.41 | herlo | it's not implemented yet, but I've learned there may be more opportunities for such things in the near future |
| 06:31.02 | tensai | would like better free-form tagging in his blog |
| 06:31.16 | levi | tensai: Well, rational ones are usually less objectionable. But we can't trust the judgement of the ranters; who would admit irrationality in a political rant? |
| 06:42.15 | tensai | herlo: so how do we submit a hackergotchi? |
| 06:44.26 | herlo | tensai: give me a link |
| 06:45.05 | herlo | tensai: I'm working on a project that will soon be release to allow anyone to add their own feed, name and face to the planet on approval |
| 06:45.16 | herlo | I'll be asking for specific feeds and the like as well |
| 06:45.56 | tensai | nice |
| 06:49.44 | herlo | thanks, hoped you would like it |
| 06:50.47 | levi | Maybe someday I will blog again. |
| 06:52.04 | herlo | meh, that's all a personal choice |
| 06:56.05 | levi | Even when I did blog, I didn't consider it relevant enough to open source to be on openclue. |
| 07:10.38 | tensai | herlo: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/hackergotchi.png |
| 07:11.55 | tensai | does IE still puke on alpha channels in PNGs? |
| 07:28.48 | Sargun | yes, unless you set the stype |
| 07:28.49 | Sargun | style |
| 07:31.19 | tensai | apparently drupal added freeform tagging a few revs back |
| 07:31.26 | tensai | nice. now I have tags enabled. |
| 08:01.04 | herlo | tensai: no, IE doesn't have that problem since IE6 |
| 08:01.25 | tensai | that's good to hear. I thought they fixed it but wasn't sure. |
| 08:01.55 | herlo | yep, well I'm gonna go edit a planet config file and go to bd |
| 08:01.56 | herlo | bed |
| 08:33.49 | tensai | -rss change url of openclue to http://planet.utos.org/rss20.xml |
| 08:33.50 | brac | tensai, you don't have 'rss::edit::change' permissions here |
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| 12:52.30 | eightyeight | levi: thx |
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| 17:10.31 | elg | -chat |
| 17:10.31 | brac | I saw |
| 17:10.36 | elg | -chat you wish |
| 17:10.36 | brac | you wish |
| 17:10.42 | elg | -chat if only |
| 17:10.42 | brac | if only |
| 17:10.49 | elg | -chat sjansen went |
| 17:10.49 | brac | sjansen went |
| 17:10.52 | elg | -chat sjansen is |
| 17:10.53 | brac | sjansen is |
| 17:10.55 | elg | -chat i am |
| 17:10.56 | brac | i am still confused. |
| 17:11.00 | elg | we see that |
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| 17:25.36 | levi | Huh, the crazy haskell people are working on a new version control system that they hope to turn into the next major version of darcs. |
| 17:25.48 | levi | http://projects.haskell.org/camp/index |
| 17:25.49 | brac | [Camp] |
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| 19:52.13 | goozbach | isn't one of the Banshee devs in this channel? |
| 20:02.42 | dataw0lf | synic does Exaile dev, I don't know about Banshee devs though. |
| 20:08.13 | unum | http://jmbell.org/blog/2008/12/03/olberman-on-buttars/ |
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| 20:20.47 | unum | my favorite thing about this is that my parents are always telling me how the democrats are out to use the government to run every aspect of my life |
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| 20:31.04 | eggyknap | unum: yours too? |
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| 20:56.25 | unum | eggyknap: ya |
| 20:56.34 | unum | s/parent/family actually |
| 20:56.50 | unum | especially since my dad no longer tells me anything |
| 20:57.00 | unum | we're debating sas/sata drives here |
| 20:57.15 | unum | I think we should go sas(twice the cost half the capicity) |
| 21:08.05 | elg | better ask the democrats |
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| 21:43.08 | unum | elg: I just want the federal government to make sure my drives actually have the reliabilty the manufacture says they do :) |
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| 22:02.36 | goozbach | I must say, this is the coolest http://www.linux-tip.net/cms/content/view/360/1/ |
| 22:02.41 | brac | [Linux-Tip.net - Set up a SSH-based point to point connection] |
| 22:02.46 | goozbach | easy VPN |
| 22:04.01 | elg | cool. is there a document that isn't laced with irrelevant suseism? |
| 22:05.38 | goozbach | meh, ignore it |
| 22:05.50 | elg | goes to the openssh docs |
| 22:14.10 | elg | bleh, you have to set up a tun device on the remote and assign the IPs manually etc. |
| 22:14.21 | elg | might as well use openvpn almost |
| 22:14.39 | elg | but good to know |
| 22:14.58 | Sargun | OpenVPN is cooler. |
| 22:15.20 | elg | and also a bit of a pain to get going for a quick ad-hoc vpn need |
| 22:16.20 | elg | conceivably one could write a script/program that would take care of the tun device housekeeping and use this capability of ssh |
| 22:16.32 | elg | to make easy ad-hoc vpn a reality |
| 22:19.49 | levi | unum: But, see, when the Republicans run our lives, they will make us do good and righteous things like saying 'Merry Christmas!". Who could complain about that? |
| 22:20.20 | levi | What are you, a scrooge? |
| 22:23.21 | rsimpkins | unum: Which won the debate? sas or sata? |
| 22:23.45 | unum | sas is currently winning I think |
| 22:24.00 | rsimpkins | unum: How about this - sata disks with sas controllers - a mixture of both. :) |
| 22:24.17 | rsimpkins | unum: can't beat the 1TB sas disk for only a bit more than straight sata. |
| 22:24.18 | unum | we have that... one of them keeps failing |
| 22:24.24 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.31 | rsimpkins | unum: Which is it that is failing? |
| 22:24.48 | unum | well we keep puting the same drives back in the same controllers.... |
| 22:24.54 | unum | and they run for a few more months |
| 22:25.01 | rsimpkins | unum: sounds like a sata disk. |
| 22:25.09 | rsimpkins | unum: Who made this equipment? |
| 22:26.34 | unum | dell |
| 22:26.42 | unum | I can't convince the IT manager to buy anything else |
| 22:26.59 | unum | well I once convinced to buy a supermicro server |
| 22:27.14 | rsimpkins | unum: Who made the drives? |
| 22:27.36 | unum | quantam |
| 22:28.04 | unum | "dell wouldn't use them if they weren't good" |
| 22:28.10 | rsimpkins | unum: lol!!!!! |
| 22:28.15 | unum | "seagate owns them now so they are exactly the same" |
| 22:28.25 | rsimpkins | unum: Oh, man. oh.... the pain in my left side. |
| 22:28.32 | rsimpkins | unum: Did your boss say that? |
| 22:28.51 | unum | the second one ya |
| 22:29.04 | rsimpkins | unum: Sheesh - I hope that individual no longer works for you. |
| 22:29.18 | unum | he's part owner |
| 22:53.01 | rsimpkins | unum: Once people start believing a comforting lie, it can be difficult to convince them otherwise. The last thing they want to do is admit what they 'know' to be true is actually not as true as they think. |
| 22:54.32 | unum | rsimpkins: that addresses my earlier comments about my family being republicans :) |
| 22:55.45 | rsimpkins | unum: Yes, it just takes the whole belief/faith/'knowledge' thing for a ride. That's why that have philosophy degrees I guess. |
| 22:56.42 | rsimpkins | If we 'know' that something someone else 'knows' is wrong, how do we know what we know is right? |
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| 23:01.59 | unum | brings the #uphpu discussion into here |
| 23:02.06 | unum | http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx |
| 23:02.30 | unum | #13 is an outright lie |
| 23:05.24 | unum | I missed one question on that exam btw, but I still consider it conservative propaganda |
| 23:08.27 | fozzmoo | What is #13? |
| 23:11.14 | unum | Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Aquinas would concur that: |
| 23:11.21 | markl_ | unum: what is uphpu |
| 23:11.27 | unum | the question alone makes it obvious that it's wrong |
| 23:11.29 | markl_ | i think they would concur that libruls are dumb |
| 23:11.33 | unum | markl_: utah php users |
| 23:11.34 | markl_ | :) |
| 23:12.17 | markl_ | sorry, just trying to rip on conservative propaganda a bit |
| 23:22.00 | rsimpkins | 81.82% for me. I didn't know a lot of the answers. |
| 23:22.31 | rsimpkins | Now, if this was a Linux quiz - I hope I would have done a little better. |
| 23:31.19 | unum | rsimpkins: how's this-> http://www.ex-designz.net/test_page.asp?tid=24 |
| 23:31.23 | brac | [Linux Quiz - free online quiz, test and trivia] |
| 23:35.38 | levi | I got a 90.91% |
| 23:36.06 | levi | unum: You don't think Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Aquinas would concur on that point? |
| 23:36.39 | unum | levi: no I do not |
| 23:36.48 | levi | unum: Which of them would disagree? |
| 23:36.52 | unum | socrates |
| 23:36.59 | unum | "the only I know is that I know nothing" |
| 23:37.11 | unum | meaning nothing could be derived by reason |
| 23:37.23 | harleypig | socrates was a pinko |
| 23:37.53 | unum | then we should label him as such, an not lump him in with the others :) |
| 23:39.29 | unum | I missed two on the linux quiz. I would reset my password differently(init=/bin/sh) and I haven't been using linux long enough to be familiar with the hardware requirements of xfree86(which I no longer use) |
| 23:39.57 | unum | "the only thing I know is that I know nothing" |
| 23:40.05 | levi | unum: He believed that humans were ignorant, but that there was a path to wisdom. |
| 23:41.05 | unum | I'm unfamliar with any work where he says that path is accesable through human reason alone |
| 23:42.00 | levi | Socrates was all about human reason. |
| 23:42.16 | rsimpkins | unum: I scored 100% |
| 23:42.41 | rsimpkins | Well, it doesn't look like it 'scores' - but I didn't get any wrong. |
| 23:42.51 | rsimpkins | Oh, here it is at the bottom. |
| 23:43.06 | levi | The whole point of the 'Socratic method' is to get people to apply their own reasoning to problems. |
| 23:43.58 | unum | the whole point was to prove they didn't realy know anything |
| 23:43.58 | unum | it's what got him killed |
| 23:44.41 | synic | what's the maxumum filesystem size for ext3? |
| 23:44.47 | synic | er... maximum |
| 23:45.08 | levi | unum: You have what seems to me to be a very unconventional understanding of Socrates. |
| 23:45.19 | synic | I'm trying to format a device and I'm getting this: |
| 23:45.23 | synic | root@superimgserv:~# mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/vg01-lv01 |
| 23:45.23 | synic | mke2fs 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) |
| 23:45.23 | synic | mkfs.ext3: File too large while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 23:45.40 | unum | levi: I've never studied him in class(and would hate to do so). all of my understand comes from reading the dialogs |
| 23:45.44 | rsimpkins | synic: How big is it? |
| 23:45.56 | synic | 21TB |
| 23:46.09 | rsimpkins | synic: Did you label it correctly? |
| 23:46.19 | rsimpkins | synic: You have to use GPT for that. |
| 23:46.25 | synic | it's lvm |
| 23:46.29 | rsimpkins | synic: And, that's a really bad - bad idea. |
| 23:47.47 | synic | I can't create a disklabel on a logical volume, can I? |
| 23:49.25 | rsimpkins | synic: Oh, do you see the full 21T in LVM - first off - that's a really BAD idea. Plus, I think the max is like 16TB at the moment. |
| 23:49.43 | synic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.56 | rsimpkins | synic: Which kernel? |
| 23:50.05 | synic | 2.6.24 |
| 23:50.33 | rsimpkins | Yeah, should support 16TB - but again I stress - I sure hope you won't be putting anything terribly important on it. |
| 23:50.45 | synic | why is that? |
| 23:51.36 | rsimpkins | synic: How long do you think it will take to 1) create a huge file system of that size? 2) fsck that volume when it crashes? |
| 23:52.19 | synic | xfs wouldn't take that long :) |
| 23:52.37 | synic | but we're planning on using it for drbd |
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| 23:52.45 | rsimpkins | shoots self in head. |
| 23:52.56 | synic | haha. |
| 23:53.02 | rsimpkins | synic: Well, let me know how that goes fur ya. :) |
| 23:53.33 | synic | have any suggestions for a better idea? I dunno if I can get the bosses to shell out another load of cash for a dedicated device |
| 23:53.55 | rsimpkins | synic: I hate making storage recommendations. I have no clue what you are using it for. |
| 23:54.26 | rsimpkins | synic: Maybe you have a very specialized use case that will be perfect for 16TB ext3 partitions using drdb - I dunno. |
| 23:56.58 | synic | it'd be an offsite mirror of the images we store in our cabinet. The reads and writes wouldn't be a whole lot, except for the initial sync |
| 23:57.16 | rsimpkins | Actually, I wonder if drdb will even support large partitions. I bet it can only do 4TB max. |
| 23:57.18 | synic | our printers would read it every day for printing, but only a very small fraction of what's stored |
| 23:58.18 | rsimpkins | synic: Is this coming out of the NAS on to your local server? |
| 23:58.25 | synic | yeah |
| 23:58.50 | rsimpkins | synic: Is there any way you can get away with using several smaller partitions? |
| 23:59.04 | tensai | http://lists.linbit.com/pipermail/drbd-user/2005-September/003697.html |
| 23:59.05 | brac | [[DRBD-user] drbd size limit] |
| 23:59.06 | rsimpkins | I really wouldn't recommend making them bigger than 2TB. |
| 23:59.36 | rsimpkins | tensai: That's 2005. Still a limitation? I dunno. I don't use DRBD |
| 23:59.45 | tensai | is a satisfied former drbd user |
| 23:59.52 | tensai | haven't used it in a couple years though |
