| 00:13.22 | tensai | ~lart DS3s that are down |
| 00:13.22 | ibot | takes out a cattle prod and gives DS3s that are down a good jolt |
| 00:23.35 | harleypig | hey! my web pages just jumped! |
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| 01:59.25 | bbeattie_ | Jayce? |
| 02:00.06 | bbeattie_ | I'm lost in EM ;) |
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| 02:05.26 | bbeattie_ | Jayce |
| 02:05.34 | Jayce^ | hey |
| 02:05.44 | bbeattie_ | I'm lost |
| 02:05.49 | bbeattie_ | ;) |
| 02:05.57 | Jayce^ | I'm guessing you don't still have my number then |
| 02:06.16 | bbeattie_ | Nope |
| 02:06.38 | Jayce^ | lets see if this is still yours |
| 02:06.42 | Jayce^ | gotcha |
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| 02:33.56 | Sargun_Screen | Hi. |
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| 02:52.13 | Heartsbane | ~onjoin -Claud-SLC |
| 02:52.13 | ibot | ok, Heartsbane |
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| 03:15.47 | Supaplex | any gurulabs associates about? Is there a course that covers using xen? (pointy hair boss talk for "xen in the enterprise") |
| 03:16.42 | Supaplex | I'm happy to use xen on my own, but work may pay for a week of my training to start consolidating our rack space |
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| 14:55.36 | eggyknap | I wish I could understand the thinking behind people who say stuff like this: "Ruby as a language might be a bit slow, it's true, but when you use it on the Web, it's actually fast," |
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| 15:05.58 | jsmith | -chat ibot |
| 15:05.58 | brac | ibot went |
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| 15:49.04 | elg | oh no |
| 15:49.05 | elg | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7739373.stm |
| 15:49.07 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | 'Joe the Plumber' lands book deal] |
| 15:49.52 | elg | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1100 |
| 15:49.54 | brac | [PHD Comics: Clever Acronyms] |
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| 16:13.22 | jshipley | I like how they hired a writer to 'help' him write the book... but who wants to read a book about "Joe the Plumber" didn't we already hear way too much about him at the debates? |
| 16:21.08 | tensai | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/300162 |
| 16:21.20 | tensai | ubuntu security update fails to install. I got bit by that one this morning. |
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| 16:28.58 | tensai | yay! a win for privacy and security. |
| 16:29.30 | tensai | I asked HR to stop printing SSNs on my paycheck and they figured out how to do it |
| 16:29.58 | tensai | I guess it's the paycheck stub and not the check itself. but still. |
| 16:33.53 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 16:33.57 | Jayce^ | argh |
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| 16:34.14 | elg | feeling two-faced today? |
| 16:34.26 | Jayce^ | darn focus jumping |
| 16:34.44 | tensai | ~focus Jayce^ |
| 16:36.16 | elg | ~whack Jayce^ |
| 16:36.16 | ibot | ACTION whacks Jayce^ upside the head. |
| 16:50.39 | elg | hopes the NWS bothers to issue frost advisories for us |
| 16:55.20 | tensai | frost in las cruces? |
| 17:13.26 | jsmith | tensai: Scary, isn't it? Tomatoes in November is scary enough... |
| 17:16.36 | Sargun | I want this: http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=PXB5012 |
| 17:16.43 | brac | [Ramsey Electronics] |
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| 17:20.19 | tensai | ~frostbite elg |
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| 17:25.17 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 17:25.18 | ibot | whacks unum with a giant beaver's tail |
| 17:29.21 | Sargun | Anyone here played with ATA over Ethernet? |
| 17:31.31 | elg | soon, you |
| 17:33.26 | Sargun | huh? |
| 17:33.40 | unum | mmmmmmmm beaver |
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| 18:02.58 | levi | Huh. In what sense is *legal* file sharing morally wrong? |
| 18:05.16 | elg | in the sense that NFS is a complete hack, maybe |
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| 18:05.40 | levi | I'm referring to a Steve Dibb blog post. |
| 18:09.32 | levi | Wow, 1/3 of S&P 500 companies no longer meet market cap qualifications for inclusion in the index. |
| 18:11.33 | Sargun_Screen | heh. |
| 18:21.49 | jsmith | levi: Wow... |
| 18:24.56 | fozzmoo | Obama will save them. |
| 18:27.30 | fozzmoo | I'm getting frustrated with GMail's IMAP support. My client keeps telling me I have unread messages that don't exist. |
| 18:27.49 | levi | Well, included in that 1/3 are Ford and GM. |
| 18:28.19 | fozzmoo | You know what would ROCK?! |
| 18:28.49 | goozbach | fozzmoo: a brumby rocker: http://www.brumbyrocker.com/ |
| 18:28.50 | fozzmoo | If Nissan, Toyota, Honda, somebody would just come in and buy up Ford and GM |
| 18:28.51 | brac | [The Brumby Chair Co. - Home of the Brumby Rocker] |
| 18:29.06 | levi | What would they *do* with them? |
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| 18:29.20 | fozzmoo | Then, they could say, "Hmmm. We don't operate manufacturing plants with the use of unionized labor, so... cut that... " |
| 18:29.23 | levi | It's not like any automakers are doing wonderfully great at the moment. |
| 18:29.28 | tensai | clearly not what the current execs have been doing |
| 18:29.48 | fozzmoo | and a number of other things. |
| 18:29.58 | fozzmoo | It'd probably make Detroit less of a hell-hole. |
| 18:30.48 | levi | I agree it would be great if someone would buy them, but what business sense would it make? |
| 18:31.05 | fozzmoo | In the long-run, it would make a lot of sense. |
| 18:31.20 | fozzmoo | In the short run... would look nuts. |
| 18:31.23 | levi | Only if you make it to the long run. |
| 18:31.37 | fozzmoo | So, someone just asked me... |
| 18:31.49 | fozzmoo | how many lines of code would a good programmer write in one month? |
| 18:31.59 | fozzmoo | I know that's all very relative, |
| 18:32.04 | tensai | exactly as many as he needs |
| 18:32.06 | levi | A recession is not a great time to make a huge boat anchor of an aquisition. |
| 18:32.10 | fozzmoo | but does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 18:32.24 | levi | Over 9000! |
| 18:32.36 | goozbach | fozzmoo: less than 1 million, more than twelve |
| 18:32.40 | fozzmoo | goozbach: :) |
| 18:32.56 | fozzmoo | I think this person is trying to rate the effectiveness of offshore help. |
| 18:33.08 | levi | I dunno, knowing the right 12 lines to write could make all the difference. ;) |
| 18:33.25 | fozzmoo | What about those Perl one-liners, right? |
| 18:34.33 | tensai | levi: if you've got the capital it's a great time to take advantage of others failures |
| 18:34.35 | goozbach | yeah but 30 days to write 12 one-liners isn't crazy |
| 18:36.14 | elg | tensai++ |
| 18:36.26 | elg | is this a code monkey or someone solving the actual problems? |
| 18:36.41 | elg | is he writing java or a less verbose language? |
| 18:36.50 | elg | is his code bug free or riddled with bugs? |
| 18:36.58 | elg | tests? comments? |
| 18:37.27 | elg | the better question is what should a good programmer accomplish in a month |
| 18:37.33 | elg | and loc isn't the answer |
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| 18:40.35 | fozzmoo | elg: I agree. |
| 18:41.50 | elg | loc can be a useful metric, but by the time you know enough to use it you don't have to ask "how many loc is good?" |
| 18:43.43 | fozzmoo | I think it's really more useful in a directly comparative sense. I.e. Programmer A and B who are both working on the same project, using the same tools. |
| 18:44.05 | fozzmoo | But even then, it ignore a whole host of other considerations. |
| 18:44.18 | elg | like whose bladder is bigger |
| 18:44.24 | fozzmoo | Riiiight. |
| 18:51.34 | elg | obviously the bigger bladder can crank out more code while the smaller bladder has to take bathroom breaks |
| 18:51.52 | elg | i mean, programmers just crank out code. more time working == more code right? |
| 18:52.28 | jsmith | Yeah... just type faster! |
| 18:53.02 | jsmith | That's like saying that since my current job is to train people, I should just talk faster so that they learn more quickly... |
| 18:53.06 | elg | i'd use loc for the inverse if I were a pointy-head-boss |
| 18:53.21 | elg | whoever gets the same stuff done with less code wins |
| 18:53.53 | elg | (with demerits for obfuscated piles of refuse) |
| 18:54.55 | tensai | why would the do the same thing though? just to have a code race? |
| 18:55.16 | tensai | shouldn't they be working on different projects in parallel? |
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| 18:58.33 | elg | tensai: shhh, you'll mess up our ideal comparison scenario |
| 18:59.58 | elg | let's see. my students are writing some 200-300 loc every week |
| 19:00.15 | elg | i'm writing maybe 20 |
| 19:00.26 | elg | clearly I suck |
| 19:00.44 | tensai | how many students? |
| 19:01.31 | elg | oh about 15 in my section |
| 19:01.40 | elg | that's 200-300 each though |
| 19:03.08 | tensai | right so if you claim it all as your own that 15 * 200 + 20 = 3020 |
| 19:04.27 | elg | you couldn't pay me to claim their code as my own |
| 19:05.30 | jshipley | elg: how long have they been coding? |
| 19:05.36 | elg | most are freshmen |
| 19:05.39 | elg | some sophomores |
| 19:06.07 | elg | is there an open wiki space? |
| 19:06.24 | elg | like say I want a random wiki with relatively tight focus |
| 19:06.33 | elg | maybe even to the tune of one page |
| 19:06.38 | jsmith | elg: pbwiki.com |
| 19:06.38 | jshipley | elg: I wouldn't want to claim their code either |
| 19:06.56 | elg | well but this isn't academic |
| 19:07.23 | elg | oic, they have several kinds |
| 19:08.05 | jsmith | Yes |
| 19:08.25 | elg | oh actually this is a google groups group. they probably already have a wiki |
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| 21:01.28 | fozzmoo | Wow. UDOT has ordered a stop to all new construction projects. |
| 21:01.40 | fozzmoo | That's a crazy-stupid idea. |
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| 21:03.08 | Tene | But fozz, don't you hate construction? |
| 21:03.19 | Tene | don't you hate freeway closures and big trucks and lane closures? |
| 21:03.36 | Tene | Obviously the solution is to legislate away construction projects. |
| 21:06.58 | fozzmoo | Tene: Well, I was suggesting something to that effect (on my blog) a few weeks ago, but was chided as being naive and stupid. |
| 21:07.34 | JoshH | link? i'd like to see this stupidity for myself :P |
| 21:07.42 | fozzmoo | Hit sltrib.com |
| 21:08.14 | fozzmoo | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11032981 |
| 21:08.17 | JoshH | i meant to your blog |
| 21:08.56 | fozzmoo | http://www.fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/2008/09/a-time-for-sacrifice.html |
| 21:09.04 | tensai | idaho has effectively stopped new construction. apparently they're really strapped for cash. |
| 21:09.15 | fozzmoo | tensai: Gee. I wonder why that is. |
| 21:10.02 | JoshH | combinaton of small population and hatred of taxes, and wasting what money they do have? |
| 21:10.10 | unum | I would think because of the same reason's as everyone else |
| 21:10.33 | unum | ok joshh has a point on the hatred of taxes thing |
| 21:10.39 | unum | I don't know what they waste money on |
| 21:10.50 | JoshH | me neither |
| 21:10.53 | unum | did they build a soccer stadium? |
| 21:11.19 | JoshH | they do have a lottery |
| 21:11.27 | fozzmoo | Unum: "If they do some stupid things, why do they not do all stupid things?" |
| 21:11.31 | tensai | no soccer stadium that I know of |
| 21:11.40 | JoshH | isn't that where fort hall casino is? |
| 21:11.44 | JoshH | i've never gambled outside of NV |
| 21:11.56 | tensai | JoshH: aka the tax on the mathematically challenged |
| 21:12.14 | tensai | JoshH: yes. fort hall is 10 minutes north of pocatello. |
| 21:12.14 | unum | I wonder if there's a more regressive tax than the lottery |
| 21:12.32 | JoshH | middle class people like to play it too |
| 21:12.51 | JoshH | but ya, there are poor people who spend way too much on it |
| 21:13.34 | JoshH | fozzmoo: i fail to see any stupidy in that post |
| 21:13.44 | JoshH | i was expecting something like "all roads should be privately owned" |
| 21:28.26 | unum | "The fact that lotteries are commonly played leads to some contradictions against standard models of economic rationality." |
| 21:28.44 | unum | I love that line it's from the wikipedia article on lotteries |
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| 22:30.56 | elg | i dunno. i don't know many people who know that the lottery is a waste and also play it |
| 22:32.26 | unum | well I think the problem is that many economic models think people are capably of making rationale decisions |
| 22:32.50 | elg | it's an argument that people don't always have the brains/information to make rational decisions |
| 22:32.50 | unum | s/decisions/economic decisions |
| 22:33.21 | unum | elg: the market for lemons theory would agree with you, as do I |
| 22:34.02 | unum | but I find myself often facing libertarians we believe it's possible to always make informed economic decisions |
| 22:34.08 | elg | but insofar as people understand the decision well, I think they tend to act rationally. tend to |
| 22:34.41 | unum | the question comes down to how often do we understand the decision well |
| 22:34.44 | elg | there's always the human factor. gambling for the thrill of it, etc. |
| 22:35.28 | unum | but it can be hard to make informed decision in other market cases |
| 22:35.41 | synic | if you have an ssh key installed on a host in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, is there a way to ssh to that host and disable that key? |
| 22:35.51 | unum | how do I know that my meat doesn't have mad cow disease? |
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| 22:36.11 | jshipley | right, never underestimate the human desire to hope for the long shot |
| 22:36.18 | unum | synic: you should be able to just remove it using your favorite text editor |
| 22:36.31 | synic | I mean disable it in the ssh command, maybe with an argument? |
| 22:36.42 | synic | I don't want to remove it permanently, just for that session I want to ignore it |
| 22:36.51 | unum | so you want to ssh to the host and use your password |
| 22:36.54 | synic | yeah |
| 22:37.08 | jshipley | synic: you could just temporarily move authorized_hosts |
| 22:37.44 | synic | nah, I want this to be repeatable. I want one command to be executed automatically with the ssh key in authorized_keys |
| 22:37.54 | synic | but I also want to be able to ssh regularly |
| 22:38.09 | tensai | ssh -o PubKeyAuthentication=no |
| 22:38.27 | unum | tensai: beat me |
| 22:38.33 | tensai | ~beat unum |
| 22:38.34 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats unum over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 22:38.50 | synic | yeah, that works |
| 22:38.52 | synic | thanks :) |
| 22:39.09 | tensai | synic: you can also set it in .ssh/config |
| 22:39.28 | tensai | Host no-pubkey |
| 22:39.34 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.37 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.55 | synic | well, here's what I'm actually trying to do. |
| 22:39.56 | tensai | that would make "no-pubkey" an alias for realhostname but with that option set |
| 22:40.03 | synic | ah, I see |
| 22:40.05 | synic | that works even better |
| 22:40.19 | tensai | makes the command line a little cleaner |
| 22:41.55 | unum | I am interested in what you are trying to do |
| 22:42.31 | synic | trying to set up gitosis on a shared host |
| 22:44.52 | synic | which now appears to work. Thanks :) |
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| 23:14.01 | harleypig | The monkeys are laughing at me ... |
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| 23:23.05 | elg | -chat now i |
| 23:23.05 | brac | now i just fixed another nasty little bug in parrot. |
| 23:23.11 | elg | now i have 2G |
| 23:23.22 | harleypig | ho-ho-ho |
| 23:29.47 | harleypig | The 1812 Overture is so much fun to listen to. |
| 23:29.47 | harleypig | Especially at full volume. |
| 23:34.04 | mrpull | harleypig: only topped by "For Those About To Rock We Salute You" |
| 23:36.58 | harleypig | mrpull: Thunderstruck |
| 23:37.24 | mrpull | harleypig: have you ever seen the 1812 live with real cannons? |
| 23:37.25 | harleypig | Radar Lover |
| 23:37.37 | harleypig | wonders if anyone even lsitens to Judas Priest anymore. |
| 23:37.40 | harleypig | mrpull: yeah |
| 23:37.56 | harleypig | truly impressive |
| 23:38.10 | mrpull | it's pretty dope. it's an end of season tradition for the deer valley concert series. we've been a couple times. |
| 23:38.27 | mrpull | For Those About To Rock with live cannons is pretty friggin cool too. |
| 23:38.48 | mrpull | re: Judas Priest, they re-released one of their records for Rock Band 2 |
| 23:38.59 | mrpull | so I assume somebody is playing that music still |
| 23:39.19 | mrpull | JP isn't for me. |
| 23:39.25 | mrpull | Hellbent for Leather? |
| 23:39.33 | harleypig | oops ... Golden Earring did Radar Lover. |
| 23:39.33 | mrpull | how didn't people know he was gay? |
| 23:39.43 | harleypig | no kidding ... Balls to the Wall? |
| 23:39.45 | mrpull | Radar Love is good stuff, but not JP |
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| 23:41.09 | harleypig | last.fm is almost as fun as pandora ... from 1812 Overture to Oingo Boingo |
| 23:41.44 | mrpull | I saw Oingo Boingo's "farewell tour" in Las Vegas about 15 years ago |
| 23:41.47 | mrpull | that was a blast too |
| 23:41.55 | mrpull | and I'm not really a fan of theirs |
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