| 00:00.10 | linuxalien | What's shakin? |
| 00:00.18 | mrpull | I love geeks |
| 00:00.37 | Reilithion | I am geeks. |
| 00:00.42 | Reilithion | feels loved |
| 00:00.53 | jshipley | then again, the Lee Mingwei story could just be a hoax... I'm going to go see if snopes has anything to say about it |
| 00:01.57 | jshipley | ok, forget about Lee... |
| 00:02.15 | jshipley | as he doesn't actually exist. |
| 00:02.20 | linuxalien | Ohhh Fun stuff |
| 00:03.39 | jshipley | So, the only male to ever get pregnant -- was born female and still had a uterus... not exactly a feat of medical science. |
| 00:04.13 | linuxalien | w00t! |
| 00:04.47 | jshipley | RyanE: If the right parts aren't available for a regular birth, C-Section is always an option. |
| 00:06.03 | RyanE | ouch and oucher. |
| 00:06.10 | RyanE | I'll pass, thanks. |
| 00:06.14 | linuxalien | Me too |
| 00:06.26 | RyanE | my wife said if we're having any more kids, *I'm* doing the having part, so I guess I'm done. :) |
| 00:07.38 | linuxalien | Tell her you sense sass. Then run. Fast. |
| 00:11.42 | fozzmoo | RyanE: They forget stuff like that after a couple years. :) |
| 00:13.57 | linuxalien | hehehe |
| 00:18.33 | linuxalien | Food! |
| 00:18.43 | Reilithion | Yes. Food is good. |
| 00:18.52 | linuxalien | Mine is done cooking. LAters! |
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| 01:41.15 | tristanbob | tensai, I know, it is interesting how they said they "wanted" to use GPL, but couldn't |
| 01:42.33 | Reilithion | What conversation station did /that/ train of thought get derailed from? |
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| 01:47.49 | tristanbob | Reilithion, I have a long archive in this channel |
| 01:48.04 | tristanbob | hopefully tensai remembers his comment too ;) |
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| 07:01.42 | Reilithion | How do I find out what program is listening on a particular port? |
| 07:06.23 | poole | netstat -an |
| 07:06.48 | Reilithion | thx |
| 07:19.41 | fozzmoo | fuser PORT/PROTO |
| 07:19.49 | fozzmoo | fuser 25/tcp |
| 07:20.17 | fozzmoo | netstat -an doesn't tell you what program is listening on a particular port. It just tells you... what ports are being serviced and their respective states. |
| 07:20.46 | fozzmoo | fuser will identify process IDs. |
| 07:20.51 | Reilithion | ah, also very appreciated fozzmoo |
| 07:23.33 | poole | oops |
| 07:25.02 | Reilithion | And then I can ps aux | grep <pid> to find out the name of the executable. |
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| 09:16.18 | Reilithion | night all |
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| 15:36.58 | tensai | one of my local channels turned off their analog signal last night |
| 15:37.25 | tensai | their new digital signal no workie on my hdhomerun though :( |
| 15:48.38 | RyanE | tensai: Welcome to the future! |
| 15:50.27 | tensai | the new firmware says it improves channel detection, so I guess I'll try that |
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| 16:21.57 | tensai | well, no dice |
| 16:22.34 | jsmith | :-/ |
| 16:25.03 | tensai | luckily it's only fox, although I do miss the simpsons |
| 16:28.00 | jsmith | wishes he had that kind of time |
| 16:38.58 | tensai | I did discover that the hdhomerun has an infrared receiver that is lirc compatible |
| 16:39.06 | tensai | that's cool, but it's in the wrong room to be useful |
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| 16:49.30 | elg | -chat |
| 16:49.30 | brac | 2.2 is old skool |
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| 17:11.33 | mrpull | twitter sure chooses odd hours to "perform maintenance" |
| 17:17.33 | elg | corsair or crucial? |
| 17:18.41 | mrpull | crucial |
| 17:19.03 | mrpull | I'll even take kingston |
| 17:19.15 | mrpull | but I don't do stupid crap like overclock it |
| 17:20.57 | elg | you say you prefer crucial to kingston or vice versa? |
| 17:21.07 | mrpull | I like crucial more |
| 17:21.14 | mrpull | (most) |
| 17:21.44 | elg | any reason? |
| 17:21.59 | elg | more amenable to puns, perhaps |
| 17:22.12 | mrpull | their website influenced my affinity back in the day |
| 17:22.23 | elg | is looking at 3 RAM sets from those three all at the same price point (essentially) |
| 17:22.36 | elg | so i'm just looking for a tipping point |
| 17:22.36 | mrpull | you could put in a make / model / motherboard / whatever and they always got it right |
| 17:22.44 | elg | that's true |
| 17:22.48 | mrpull | as far a pairing requirements etc |
| 17:23.00 | mrpull | (when it used to be harder to know what to buy) |
| 17:23.01 | elg | that has been useful in the past |
| 17:23.05 | mrpull | so I trusted them then |
| 17:23.15 | mrpull | and they still are my go to company |
| 17:23.29 | mrpull | but I usually buy from newegg after consulting their site for the right specs |
| 17:23.55 | mrpull | however, if it is for a server, I ONLY buy RAM from the server manufacturer |
| 17:24.06 | mrpull | (meaning a production business server with SLA's) |
| 17:25.09 | unum | does supermicro sell ram? |
| 17:25.17 | elg | this is a laptop |
| 17:25.32 | elg | cosmic rays, come and get it |
| 17:25.53 | goozbach | ~bofh |
| 17:25.54 | ibot | i heard bofh is Bastard Operator From Hell - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ |
| 17:25.56 | brac | [The Home of the Mighty BOFH ⢠The Register] |
| 17:25.58 | mrpull | I've bought ram from HP and Dell and it has Crucial / Micron branding on it |
| 17:26.04 | goozbach | ~excuse |
| 17:26.05 | ibot | well, excuse is http://www.randomexcuse.com/ |
| 17:26.08 | goozbach | bah |
| 17:26.12 | mrpull | and costs much more than buying from the other outlets |
| 17:26.29 | mrpull | but you gotta play by their rules if you want support |
| 17:27.07 | elg | -excuse |
| 17:27.07 | brac | operators on strike due to broken coffee machine |
| 17:27.37 | goozbach | I'll do it myself: disks spinning backwards - toggle the hemisphere jumper. |
| 17:27.54 | goozbach | -excuse |
| 17:27.54 | brac | IRQ dropout |
| 17:27.58 | goozbach | nice! |
| 17:28.07 | elg | -chucknorrise |
| 17:28.15 | elg | his french cousin |
| 17:28.18 | elg | -chucknorris |
| 17:28.18 | brac | Chuck Norris carries no money. Pain is his only currency. [score=6.107] |
| 17:32.00 | elg | -insult |
| 17:32.00 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help insult' |
| 17:32.05 | elg | -insult ibot |
| 17:32.05 | brac | ibot is a pox-marked stack of ill-borne guano |
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| 17:39.30 | tensai | mrpull: we sent out a letter to our customers announcing that they can access our cacti graphs. it worked. I've got a pile of account requests. |
| 17:39.44 | tensai | ~mrpull++ |
| 17:41.16 | elg | account requests? |
| 17:41.18 | elg | from referrals? |
| 17:41.33 | tensai | customers asking me to set them up with cacti logins |
| 17:41.38 | elg | oh |
| 17:42.01 | elg | loved the graphs at xmission |
| 17:42.21 | elg | my isp is pretty stable, but I wouldn't push them actually knowing what cacti even is |
| 17:42.47 | elg | tensai: do you have a bandwidth meter for them to test their first-hop bandwidth? |
| 17:43.10 | elg | there are several flash/php ones you can set up quite easily on your webserver |
| 17:43.23 | tensai | elg: we have an internal bandwidth server, yes. it doesn't necessarily test their first hop. |
| 17:43.35 | tensai | first 3-4 hops maybe |
| 17:43.43 | elg | well, let's pretend hops internal to your network (likely at 100mbit or gigabit) don't matter |
| 17:44.04 | tensai | let's pretend I can get anything close to 100mbit in wyoming... |
| 17:44.22 | elg | ethernet is slower in wyoming? |
| 17:44.46 | tensai | my customers aren't on ethernet silly |
| 17:44.47 | elg | the laws of physics slow down in wyoming eh? |
| 17:44.54 | elg | right, customers aren't anywhere near 100mbit |
| 17:44.59 | elg | which is why your internal hops don't matter |
| 17:45.07 | harleypig | The ethernet is for the ether bunny! |
| 17:45.21 | tensai | but my internal backbone isn't 100mbit either |
| 17:45.59 | elg | what is it? |
| 17:46.06 | tensai | depends on which segment |
| 17:46.07 | elg | what kind and what speed |
| 17:46.11 | elg | avg |
| 17:46.19 | tensai | really depends a lot on where it is |
| 17:46.22 | elg | uncorrected for the wyoming laws of physics |
| 17:46.49 | tensai | we have one 64k frame relay backhaul link |
| 17:47.15 | tensai | our fastest is in fact 100mbit. it's licensed wireless. |
| 17:47.42 | elg | kbit? |
| 17:47.46 | tensai | others vary, ranging from a T1 or 2 to 45mbps DS3s |
| 17:47.50 | elg | that's a slow link |
| 17:47.51 | tensai | elg: yes, 64kbit |
| 17:47.55 | tensai | yes. yes, it is. |
| 17:48.30 | tensai | it's a little podunk town with a small modem pool |
| 17:48.42 | elg | anyway, except for the poor sap behind the 64k link, your internal stuff probably isn't bottleneck most of the time |
| 17:49.04 | tensai | generally not, but occasionally |
| 17:50.42 | fungus | makes note to *never* move to Wyoming |
| 17:51.35 | elg | sure, there's always exceptions |
| 17:51.50 | elg | like when everyone gets online at the same time to watch streaming video of the star wars kid or an election or something |
| 17:52.48 | elg | i tried getting a bandwidth tester to work on my isp's web account. IIS, ASP, FTP access only |
| 17:52.54 | elg | not an exercise in fun |
| 17:53.07 | elg | and then the actual tester was screwed up and not working |
| 17:53.09 | elg | so i gave up |
| 17:53.27 | fozzmoo | Argh. |
| 17:53.31 | fozzmoo | ~lart Oracle SQL |
| 17:53.31 | ibot | teaches Oracle SQL the basics, including how to RTM |
| 17:53.44 | tensai | once upon a time we wrote our own and it was pathetic |
| 17:53.54 | tensai | so we licensed speakeasy's and it's great |
| 17:54.17 | tensai | was like $500 and included customizations |
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| 17:57.40 | elg | cool |
| 17:57.56 | elg | i wrote my own (cli-based) once and it was pathetic |
| 17:58.05 | elg | so now I just use scp |
| 18:00.47 | fozzmoo | Alright. I need some shell-regex help if anyone's up to a challenge. |
| 18:01.17 | fozzmoo | Oracle SQL excerpt: ROUND(os.dateordered,'DAY') |
| 18:01.40 | fozzmoo | Converted to PostgreSQL: date_trunc('day', os.dateordered) |
| 18:01.51 | fozzmoo | I'm trying to write a sed recipe to do that. |
| 18:02.19 | fozzmoo | I'm having trouble remembering how you capture single quotes inside single quotes. :) |
| 18:02.51 | elg | by using double quotes? :) |
| 18:03.22 | fozzmoo | Oh, but then I have to worry about all the crap the shell will interpret. |
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| 18:03.42 | elg | well but there is no crap in there |
| 18:03.52 | elg | i think the shell recognizes \' as escaping ' in '' though |
| 18:04.06 | Tene | I don't think it does. |
| 18:04.21 | fozzmoo | s/ROUND.(.*),'DAY'./date_trunc('day',\1)/ |
| 18:04.22 | Tene | echo 'don\'t' |
| 18:04.22 | elg | you're right |
| 18:04.27 | Tene | > |
| 18:04.39 | Tene | fozzmoo: use a heredoc? |
| 18:05.07 | fozzmoo | Tene: Hadn't thought of that. You cheater! |
| 18:05.18 | Tene | ;) |
| 18:05.26 | fozzmoo | I guess I could actually put the sed commands in a file and call the file from the sed command. |
| 18:05.31 | goozbach | Tene: that's laziness! |
| 18:05.39 | goozbach | good job! |
| 18:06.00 | goozbach | fozzmoo: complex sed is almost always easier done in a command file |
| 18:06.18 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Correction. Complex sed is almost easier done in Perl. :) |
| 18:06.26 | fozzmoo | s/almost/almost always/ |
| 18:06.54 | Tene | fozzmoo: 1.0 release of parrot is scheduled for March. |
| 18:06.57 | Tene | drives to work. |
| 18:07.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yes for certian |
| 18:07.14 | goozbach | but if you *HAVE* to use sed, external files is best |
| 18:09.06 | goozbach | you must all listen to this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp9Gm-aRe5A |
| 18:09.09 | goozbach | it's great! |
| 18:09.22 | fozzmoo | Wow. |
| 18:09.30 | fozzmoo | Perl saves the day. |
| 18:09.43 | fozzmoo | (Not that I'm really surprised) |
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| 18:10.42 | tensai | the other day I tried to write a perl one liner only to discover that box had no perl. the horror! |
| 18:10.51 | fozzmoo | gasps |
| 18:10.55 | tensai | I had to re-learn sed |
| 18:11.14 | fozzmoo | Reminds me of teaching Unix administration on Xenix back in `92. |
| 18:11.29 | fozzmoo | Before that, I was an Emacs user. After that, I was vi all the way. |
| 18:12.02 | fozzmoo | I wrote some pretty wicked scripts in awk then too. :) |
| 18:12.15 | sjansen | fozzmoo: You can't escape anything in single quotes. That means double quotes are the only option, ugly as it may be. |
| 18:12.35 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Or cheat. :) |
| 18:13.11 | sjansen | Well, yes, cheating is always an option. In fact, it's often recommended. |
| 18:15.26 | fozzmoo | ~lart Oracle's stupid ROWNUM workaround |
| 18:15.26 | ibot | hits Oracle's stupid ROWNUM workaround with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 18:18.26 | ^Migs^ | http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com |
| 18:20.27 | Sargun_Screen | whoever invented sql was obviously on a load of crack. |
| 18:20.40 | fozzmoo | s/sql/Sargun/ |
| 18:21.03 | Sargun_Screen | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 18:21.03 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides fozzmoo with the sea of tranquility |
| 18:24.19 | sjansen | There's some strong CS behind the design of SQL. I would posit that you are not qualified to critique its design. |
| 18:24.49 | sjansen | Now vendor implementations of SQL on the other hand... |
| 18:24.57 | fozzmoo | nods vigorously |
| 18:26.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.marketingcharts.com/interactive/vast-majority-of-todays-kids-are-online-6837/?camp=newsletter&src=mc&type=textlink "The study also found that while kids may not currently spend much money, they are very likely to influence their parentsâ purchasing decisions." |
| 18:26.04 | ^Migs^ | OMGNOWAI! |
| 18:26.44 | fozzmoo | 'Tis true. I never stepped inside a dollar store before I had kids. |
| 18:29.33 | sjansen | An in other news, new studies reveal that many reporters write obvious fluff pieces, deliberately inflammatory misrepresentations, biased statements hidden behind questions, and only include quotes that support their point of view. |
| 18:29.37 | sjansen | OMGNOWAI! |
| 18:33.32 | ^Migs^ | The research also indicates that there are significant differences in the way different types of kids perceive themselves and act. Findings suggest that kids can be segmented into four different groups based on behaviors and attitudes about video game playing, online communications, the green movement and team sports. These groups are identified by Simmons as âGamers,â âLittle Greenies,â âSocial Networkersâ and âTeam Players.â |
| 18:33.38 | ^Migs^ | And it just gets less and less scientific... |
| 18:33.53 | ^Migs^ | They lose any shred of credibility at "Little Greenies" |
| 18:34.06 | goozbach | ohh how cute! little greenies! |
| 18:34.24 | goozbach | "careful! don't step on them, they're an endagered speices" |
| 18:34.39 | goozbach | ~gummybears++ |
| 18:34.43 | harleypig | ^Migs^: have you ever read advanced particle physics? |
| 18:34.54 | ^Migs^ | No, should I? |
| 18:34.56 | harleypig | the names they come up with aren't very scientific either. |
| 18:35.27 | ^Migs^ | Yeah, but apparently FINDINGS SUGGEST that ALL kids can be divided into these four groups. |
| 18:35.32 | harleypig | is just interjecting ... he hasn't been paying attention to the convo. |
| 18:36.10 | harleypig | you should also capitalize CAN BE |
| 18:36.22 | harleypig | and FOUR |
| 18:36.53 | harleypig | and I don't see the word 'all' in your quote above. |
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| 19:01.03 | elg | sql has serious cs backing, but on a pragmatic level has serious failings. starting with syntax and ending with vendor variation |
| 19:07.30 | ^Migs^ | ~sql elg |
| 19:08.56 | jsmith | UPDATE people_who_agree_with_elg SET value = value + 1 WHERE topic LIKE 'sql%'; |
| 19:09.44 | sjansen | What's wrong with SQL syntax? |
| 19:10.44 | elg | weird, spartan, inconsistent |
| 19:10.58 | elg | but the syntax isn't all that bad, in the overall scheme |
| 19:11.49 | jsmith | In some ways though, it's just lack of understanding on the part of the people trying to learn SQL. Ever had a job candidate that actually took the time to learn the difference between a WHERE clause and a HAVING clause? |
| 19:12.08 | jsmith | (Or know the difference between an inner and outer JOIN, for that matter?) |
| 19:12.12 | eggyknap | I'd love to see a SQL alternative show up with significant backing. I've not seen it yet. |
| 19:12.36 | jsmith | eggyknap: we accept patches :-p |
| 19:12.53 | eggyknap | jsmith: where "we" == ? |
| 19:13.03 | jsmith | eggyknap: "we" == the world |
| 19:13.17 | eggyknap | develops for PostgreSQL plenty, but not in the form of SQL replacements. |
| 19:13.26 | jsmith | It's nice to sit and dream and say "Gee, wouldn't that be nice" |
| 19:13.46 | eggyknap | jsmith: does the world have a mailing list? :) |
| 19:13.51 | jsmith | But I, for one, don't have the time (or energy or patience or funding or gumption) to even begin one. |
| 19:14.10 | jsmith | eggyknap: Yeah, it's called "mass media". It's got a low signal-to-noise ratio, and it's heavily moderated |
| 19:14.21 | elg | the problem with an sql replacement would be that it would have to look a lot like sql |
| 19:14.29 | elg | because in some very important ways sql hits the nail on the head |
| 19:14.34 | jsmith | elg: Amen, brother! |
| 19:14.42 | elg | then it's just a dialect |
| 19:15.02 | elg | what we really need is someone with a big stick or some nukular weapons to force everyone to settle on a standard |
| 19:15.04 | eggyknap | Yeah, most of those that complain about SQL's problems (and it has plenty) are thinking of the things SQL did exactly right when they talk of problems. |
| 19:15.04 | jsmith | SQL is the worst language for doing what it does. It's just better than anything else around :-) |
| 19:16.33 | elg | maybe someone can make a language that uses fancy mathematical relational algebra symbols |
| 19:16.55 | elg | and give unicode keypads away with the book |
| 19:17.23 | jsmith | elg: I could care less about the symbols or key words used... as long as it's easier to learn to do things *the right way* with, I'm game |
| 19:18.29 | elg | can hardly be interested in using a relational database directly |
| 19:18.32 | elg | let alone design a new sql |
| 19:19.19 | sjansen | I dunno. I'd argue part of the problem with SQL is that picking up the basics is so easy, few bother to go beyond a couple simple examples from a co-worker. |
| 19:19.20 | elg | for a lot of hard problems, relationalness is vital |
| 19:19.29 | elg | for a lot of easy problems, it's just one tool that works |
| 19:19.41 | elg | i'm not interested much in either, but especially not the hard ones |
| 19:20.25 | elg | sjansen: i think that's a looking glass to relational algebra |
| 19:20.34 | elg | and the fact that the common case usualy is simple |
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| 19:21.01 | elg | the problem is so many people don't realize the power lying beneath the surface |
| 19:21.06 | elg | but the same can be said about math |
| 19:21.19 | elg | and expressive programming languages |
| 19:21.22 | elg | and pineapple |
| 19:22.04 | jsmith | sjansen: Right... same with PHP or auto mechanics or politics... too many people just get by on a minimum of knowledge |
| 19:22.18 | jsmith | sees that elg has beat him to the punch |
| 19:24.36 | sjansen | No, PHP started life as an okay-ish template language. Then it mutated into a horrible monster rotting programmers brains from the core out. |
| 19:24.58 | sjansen | PHP was created by amateurs, ad-hoc with no clear destination in sight. |
| 19:25.47 | sjansen | If someone had been foolish enough to try to turn SQL into a general purpose development language, then maybe the comparison would be accurate. As it stands, they are worlds apart. |
| 19:26.06 | high_roller | so you're saying that php and pcp are more similiar that I first thought? |
| 19:26.16 | sjansen | yes, yes I am |
| 19:26.57 | tensai | it looks like my hdhomerun problem is really just an antenna problem. signal level is about 30%. |
| 19:27.15 | JoshH | rasmus lerdorf and the guys that helped him with later versions are amateurs? |
| 19:27.18 | tensai | it never really came in on analog either, so I'm not too surprised |
| 19:27.27 | JoshH | i don't like php either, but i don't know if i would go that far |
| 19:28.57 | elg | you were having a problem? |
| 19:29.23 | sjansen | JoshH: register_globals, magic_quotes, \ as namespace delimiter, yeas spent teaching string concatenation as the appropriate method to query a database |
| 19:29.25 | sjansen | Need I go on? |
| 19:30.09 | JoshH | personally i think they are smart, but very prone to horrible ideas |
| 19:30.39 | elg | don't stop, you're on a roll! |
| 19:30.40 | tensai | elg: yes. maybe you weren't here. my fox channel made a hot cut from analog to digital last night. |
| 19:31.26 | sjansen | elg: I had to. My carefully built repression of the time I spent as a PHP developer was cracking. |
| 19:31.53 | elg | tensai: ah, fun |
| 19:32.13 | elg | it was watchable as analog but you only get 30% signal? |
| 19:33.46 | tensai | elg: it was not watchable in analog and now I only get 30% signal |
| 19:34.09 | elg | makes sense |
| 19:34.22 | JoshH | sjansen: let it all out, it's the only way you can truly heal |
| 19:37.31 | elg | can i just say, everyone should have a logbook |
| 19:37.45 | elg | a programming/sysadmin/whatever it is you do logbook |
| 19:38.26 | harleypig | wants an embedded logbook |
| 19:38.30 | harleypig | Right in my brain. |
| 19:38.37 | elg | with revision control |
| 19:39.02 | harleypig | and save points |
| 19:39.14 | harleypig | wait ... that's for the universe |
| 19:43.32 | sjansen | I dunno. Aren't you afraid that excessive use of save points could result in accelerated wear on the storage media? Think about it, one guy in a bar trying to pick up a girl could theoretically destroy the universe. |
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| 19:51.33 | elg | it survived groundhog day |
| 19:55.43 | sjansen | elg: Psssh. That was a movie, silly. |
| 19:56.09 | elg | in our timeline |
| 20:03.09 | harleypig | sjansen: Nah ... but the interaction between conflicting save points would be hairy in the extreme |
| 20:03.45 | harleypig | All movies are just attempts at telling true events in such a way as to not freak out the normals. |
| 20:03.51 | harleypig | :> |
| 20:04.43 | harleypig | movies that tell the same story different ways are just reflecting the way the multiverse works. |
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| 20:08.37 | harleypig | man ... I love (Rob|White) Zombie ... the music is so visceral. |
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| 20:15.34 | harleypig | Marilyn Manson is creepy as hell, but I love his music too. |
| 20:17.12 | elg | wants to write a program that tells you your ancestral makeup using a gedcom |
| 20:17.18 | elg | i.e. you're n% danish, m% irish, etc. |
| 20:18.01 | jsmith | elg: Should be pretty simple... I did something like that once, that generated a map, and color-coded the decades where your family lived there. |
| 20:18.12 | elg | yeah, should be |
| 20:18.17 | elg | do you still have that code? |
| 20:18.34 | elg | the map thing would be cool, though beyond my ambition level |
| 20:18.35 | jsmith | Uh... welll... ummm.... |
| 20:18.51 | jsmith | Hmmmn... somewhere maybe |
| 20:18.59 | harleypig | It's on his other computer ... the trash-80 right? |
| 20:19.08 | jsmith | It's probably on an old hard drive... just wondering where that hard drive would be |
| 20:19.38 | jsmith | elg: (If you saw the condition of my office right this second, you'd give up now!) |
| 20:19.49 | elg | is in no hurry |
| 20:19.59 | elg | i wouldn't write it till the weekend prob |
| 20:20.01 | harleypig | He's got generations to do it! :> |
| 20:20.06 | harleypig | ducks and runs |
| 20:20.11 | jsmith | harleypig: Good one! |
| 20:20.11 | elg | ~shoot harleypig |
| 20:20.11 | ibot | ACTION shoots harleypig in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 20:20.24 | elg | ibot: you mean the LHC? |
| 20:20.27 | jsmith | elg: Do those work in this multiverse, or in a parallel multiverse? |
| 20:20.42 | harleypig | o_O parallel multiverse? |
| 20:21.01 | harleypig | is that, like, a multi-multiverse? |
| 20:21.08 | jsmith | harleypig: And does one multiverse have a gravity-like pull on another? |
| 20:21.14 | harleypig | a gracious plenty of multiverses |
| 20:21.32 | elg | a veritable cornucopia |
| 20:21.36 | harleypig | jsmith: and what about mental and psychic interactions that would cause ... |
| 20:21.38 | jsmith | harleypig: Yeah... sort of multi-dimensional arrays of multiverses |
| 20:21.45 | jsmith | elg: Would you say we have a plethora? |
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| 20:22.01 | elg | si |
| 20:22.58 | elg | however shall i choose beteween these 2 neural network libs? |
| 20:23.22 | elg | fann (http://leenissen.dk/fann/) and lwnn http://lwneuralnet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:23.35 | harleypig | elg: Got a quarter? |
| 20:23.41 | harleypig | calls heads for the first one |
| 20:23.47 | elg | ~flip harleypig |
| 20:23.48 | ibot | ACTION gives harleypig the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:23.58 | harleypig | *blink* |
| 20:24.22 | elg | -die 2 |
| 20:24.25 | elg | -help dice |
| 20:24.26 | brac | dice <string> (where <string> is something like: d6 or 2d6 or 2d6+4 or 2d6+1d20 or 2d6+1d5+4d7-3d4-6) => Rolls that set of virtual dice |
| 20:24.30 | elg | -dice d2 |
| 20:24.30 | brac | elg: 1 || d2: [d2: 1 | 1] |
| 20:24.35 | harleypig | My first thought was ... what are two klingons doing like that ... |
| 20:25.01 | elg | ~dice 2d |
| 20:25.02 | harleypig | doubts anyone else on here is hard core trekkie enough to know the reference :> |
| 20:26.07 | harleypig | Is there a formula that will give me the hours, minutes and seconds in a number (like 15665 seconds is 4 hrs, 21 mins and 5 seconds)? |
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| 20:26.21 | harleypig | Or do I just need to do it one line for each? |
| 20:27.12 | elg | a formula? |
| 20:27.29 | harleypig | elg: math formula |
| 20:27.38 | elg | no |
| 20:27.45 | harleypig | oh well |
| 20:27.46 | elg | you divide and take the remainder for the next lower one |
| 20:27.47 | elg | etc. |
| 20:28.12 | elg | i suppose you could have several formulas |
| 20:28.13 | elg | one for each |
| 20:28.16 | elg | using mod |
| 20:28.29 | elg | then you wouldn't need the carry over bit |
| 20:28.44 | harleypig | right ... I know how to do that. |
| 20:28.50 | harleypig | I was hoping I could do it in one step. |
| 20:28.59 | elg | you can. write a function ;-) |
| 20:29.21 | harleypig | yeah yeah |
| 20:31.04 | elg | goes with fann, it has an octave interface too |
| 20:31.23 | elg | so i can start out in octave, skip to ruby if desired, without losing too much effort |
| 20:31.33 | elg | -dice d12 |
| 20:31.33 | brac | elg: 10 || d12: [d12: 10 | 10] |
| 20:31.45 | elg | -dice 4d12 |
| 20:31.45 | brac | elg: 14 || 4d12: [4d12: 14 | 3, 3, 3, 5] |
| 20:31.55 | elg | -dice 4d12 3d6 |
| 20:31.56 | brac | elg: incorrect usage: dice <string> (where <string> is something like: d6 or 2d6 or 2d6+4 or 2d6+1d20 or 2d6+1d5+4d7-3d4-6) => Rolls that set of virtual dice |
| 20:32.04 | elg | -dice 4d12+3 |
| 20:32.04 | brac | elg: 27 || 4d12+3: [4d12: 24 | 12, 2, 9, 1] [+3: 3 | 3] |
| 20:32.21 | elg | -dice 4d12+3d6 |
| 20:32.21 | brac | elg: 45 || 4d12+3d6: [4d12: 32 | 4, 8, 10, 10] [+3d6: 13 | 4, 3, 6] |
| 20:32.31 | elg | -lart ibot |
| 20:32.31 | brac | forces ibot to stare at an incredibly frustrating and seemingly neverending IRC political debate |
| 20:33.26 | tensai | ~magic missle |
| 20:36.29 | Tene | ~doom tensai |
| 20:36.29 | ibot | ACTION joins with the dodos in mocking tene: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" || <action> bites off a finger, then sends tene hurling down deep into the Cracks of Mount Doom |
| 20:36.33 | elg | -chucknorris |
| 20:36.34 | brac | Chuck Norris once killed a man, bought him back to life, and then killed him again. When asked why he said, "Did you see the look on his face the second time around? Priceless." [score=6.495] |
| 20:37.23 | tensai | "I'm gonna sing the doom song. doom, doom, doom, doom, doom..." |
| 20:37.44 | elg | all that glitters is not gold |
| 20:37.54 | elg | so don't believe what you've been told |
| 20:37.57 | tensai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcn_TPu4qQ |
| 20:46.06 | jshipley | elg: don't forget that 'All that is gold does not glitter' |
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| 20:55.24 | elg | it's time |
| 20:55.27 | elg | to admit |
| 20:55.31 | elg | you love me |
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| 20:58.56 | tensai | ~marry elg and Sargun |
| 20:58.57 | ibot | elg, do you take Sargun to be your lawfully wedded spouse? Sargun, do you take elg? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 20:59.07 | Sargun | o.O |
| 20:59.14 | elg | ~divorce sargun |
| 20:59.21 | elg | ~null sargun |
| 20:59.28 | elg | ~free sargun |
| 20:59.40 | elg | ~die |
| 20:59.40 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:00.59 | Sargun | you killed the wrong person |
| 21:02.08 | jsmith | casualty of war |
| 21:02.38 | elg | ~kill Sargun |
| 21:02.39 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-neutrino gun at Sargun |
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| 21:49.17 | jshipley | ~die elg |
| 21:49.18 | ibot | ACTION murders elg, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
| 21:49.32 | jshipley | how many times can ibot die? |
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| 21:59.10 | Sargun | jshipley, how many rows must a man walk down? |
| 21:59.26 | RyanE | it depends on whether there's an index on the table or not. :) |
| 21:59.41 | Sargun | heh |
| 22:00.23 | harleypig | Sargun: more than 1 and less than infinity |
| 22:01.04 | Sargun | harleypig, if there is only one row? |
| 22:01.11 | unum | 42 |
| 22:01.18 | harleypig | Sargun: then he's not walking. |
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| 22:17.10 | sjansen | Wow, I'd forgotten how much nice the fonts in Linux look these days. |
| 22:17.42 | sjansen | I just spent less than 15 minutes testing in IE. That was all it took. |
| 22:26.23 | tensai | that's good to hear because font support used to suck eggs |
| 22:26.40 | harleypig | grease paint and monkey brains |
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| 22:28.42 | mrpull | harleypig: I nearly fell out of my chair when I was watching an interview on TV with my wife and she said: "that guy is funny. seems like a nice guy" |
| 22:28.48 | mrpull | that guy was Rob Zombie |
| 22:29.14 | Tene | Is he a nice guy? |
| 22:29.32 | harleypig | o_O wow |
| 22:29.37 | harleypig | has she seen any of his movies? |
| 22:29.44 | harleypig | Tene: not really |
| 22:29.59 | Jayce^ | reminds me of some of those old commercials with alice cooper in normal clothes.. |
| 22:30.03 | mrpull | she hasn't. it was fairly recent and he was in a ball cap looking pretty normal |
| 22:30.03 | harleypig | House of 1000 Corpses and Devils Rejects were fantasies he wanted to do. |
| 22:30.50 | mrpull | tene: look at the cover art of http://www.last.fm/music/Rob+Zombie/Hellbilly+Deluxe and tell me if you'd think anybody would say... he's funny and nice. I'd like to hang out with him. |
| 22:30.52 | Tene | He's been married since 2002, so at least one person thinks he's nice. |
| 22:30.57 | unum | http://www.obamacto.org/ |
| 22:31.28 | harleypig | mrpull: that's not a fair comparison |
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| 22:32.02 | mrpull | harleypig: true. but I knew the whole story and she didn't. that's part of the fun. |
| 22:32.06 | harleypig | Tene: that's no guaruntee ... how many women stay with men not good for them |
| 22:32.31 | unum | either that or she thinks she needs to be punished |
| 22:32.39 | harleypig | isn't going there |
| 22:32.53 | Tene | Looking around on google for a bit, he does seem to be a nice enough guy. |
| 22:33.27 | harleypig | for relative values of 'enough' |
| 22:35.11 | Tene | Looks like he's a vegetarian, and has tried to use his publicity to bring attention to it. |
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| 22:37.29 | tensai | favorite Blues Clues host, Joe or Steve? |
| 22:37.40 | goozbach | tensai: steve! |
| 22:37.42 | Sargun | ~choose joe or steve |
| 22:37.43 | ibot | I would choose steve. |
| 22:37.55 | goozbach | JOE DOESN'T EXIST!!!!! |
| 22:37.57 | mrpull | steve was the first right? |
| 22:37.57 | goozbach | JOE DOESN'T EXIST!!!!! |
| 22:37.58 | goozbach | JOE DOESN'T EXIST!!!!! |
| 22:38.06 | goozbach | JOE DOESN'T EXIST!!!!! |
| 22:38.27 | goozbach | There is only one Blues Clues, and Steve is it's host! |
| 22:40.24 | tensai | so anyway, I like Joe |
| 22:40.29 | thaddeusq | thinks goozbach is confused or hasn't seen Blue's clues |
| 22:40.53 | tensai | mrpull: I think that's right |
| 22:41.24 | jshipley | s/JOE/STEVE/g |
| 22:41.29 | jshipley | :p |
| 22:42.23 | mrpull | I'm with goozbach. blues clues died with steve leaving. |
| 22:42.34 | mrpull | (actually, I really don't give a damn, but I'm bored) |
| 22:43.39 | jshipley | I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Steve an Joe without somebody calling them by name. I'm not familiar enough with the show. |
| 22:43.56 | tensai | jshipley: lucky :) |
| 22:44.18 | mrpull | tensai: your kinda creeping me out. why so passionate? |
| 22:44.38 | thaddeusq | jshipley: steve only wore green shirts. Joe actually changes his shirt. |
| 22:44.38 | mrpull | s/your/you're/ |
| 22:44.50 | tensai | mrpull: my 3yo loves blues clues. he would watch it all day if he could. |
| 22:44.54 | goozbach | BRING STEVE BACK!!!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Burns |
| 22:45.00 | goozbach | BRING STEVE BACK! |
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| 22:45.28 | goozbach | sheds a tear as they guys in the white coats drag him away muttering "steve! I love you steve!" |
| 22:45.31 | Tene | What are you guys talking about? |
| 22:45.39 | jshipley | ~lart Steve |
| 22:45.39 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Steve |
| 22:45.43 | unum | has never watched the show |
| 22:46.10 | goozbach | breaks away from they white coat guys to pummel jshipley with his restrained elbows |
| 22:46.26 | thaddeusq | "We are looking for Blue's Clues" |
| 22:46.57 | jshipley | goozbach: I didn't do it... it was ibot |
| 22:47.43 | thaddeusq | "We are looking for Blue's clues. |
| 22:47.43 | thaddeusq | We are looking for Blue's clues. |
| 22:47.43 | thaddeusq | I wonder where they are" |
| 22:48.14 | jshipley | is able to easily dodge goozbach's restrained elbows. |
| 22:48.38 | goozbach | jshipley: don't underestimate the power of a crazed blue's clues fan |
| 22:48.40 | thaddeusq | thanks a lot tensai! |
| 22:48.42 | Jayce^ | thaddeusq, on behalf of all fathers in the channel, I *hate* you for doing that! |
| 22:48.58 | thaddeusq | We just got a letter |
| 22:48.59 | thaddeusq | Wonder who it's from! |
| 22:49.00 | goozbach | I'm a whirlwind of elbos |
| 22:49.10 | goozbach | dances to thaddeusq's singing |
| 22:49.24 | goozbach | the guy in the cage next to me is starting to stare. |
| 22:49.40 | tensai | well who knew that goozbach was such a blue clues fanatic? |
| 22:50.07 | Sargun | thaddeusq, ? |
| 22:50.41 | thaddeusq | Sargun: I have 7 kids. I've watched way too much Blue's Clues. |
| 22:50.53 | jshipley | thaddeusq: We just figured out Blue's clues? |
| 22:52.33 | goozbach | bring back STEVE!!! |
| 22:52.37 | goozbach | please?! |
| 22:52.56 | thaddeusq | ~give Steve to goozbach |
| 22:52.56 | ibot | ACTION gives to goozbach to Steve |
| 22:53.14 | thaddeusq | well that worked well. |
| 22:53.27 | jshipley | ~give goozbach Steve |
| 22:53.28 | ibot | ACTION gives Steve to goozbach |
| 22:53.50 | goozbach | YAY!!!!! |
| 22:54.11 | goozbach | I shaved my head just like steve did when he left |
| 22:54.22 | goozbach | not for that reason mind you, but I did just the same |
| 22:54.30 | jshipley | goozbach: now go play with him in your own little corner of your own little room |
| 22:54.44 | Jayce^ | is scared to see goozbach pulling an elg-like haircut |
| 22:55.00 | goozbach | Jayce^: it was once |
| 22:55.10 | Jayce^ | mine too |
| 22:55.14 | goozbach | and it was to support my little brother who was going through chemo |
| 22:55.28 | Jayce^ | oh sure, give the sob-story |
| 22:55.44 | Jayce^ | I just had to do it for a part in a play :) |
| 22:57.19 | goozbach | packs up to go to dinner with herlo |
| 22:59.25 | jsmith | goozbach: Sure... you'll go to dinner with *him*.... but when I was in Atlanta... |
| 22:59.29 | jsmith | taunts goozbach |
| 22:59.41 | tensai | well I shaved my head to look cool |
| 23:00.01 | tensai | I let my scouts shave it every summer at camp too |
| 23:01.50 | Jayce^ | jsmith, he knew you were recruiting, and he'd be powerless to resist |
| 23:02.07 | jsmith | Jayce^: I'm no longer recruiting :-p |
| 23:02.23 | goozbach | jsmith: you were in the airport |
| 23:02.25 | Sargun | tensai, you're a scout master? |
| 23:02.25 | jsmith | Jayce^: He just didn't wanna come pick me up at ATL while I was hanging out there all day Saturday |
| 23:03.07 | tensai | Sargun: I yam |
| 23:03.08 | goozbach | oh yeah, I was packing up |
| 23:03.11 | jsmith | goozbach: I had all day... it's not like we couldn't have gone and had a bite to eat |
| 23:03.11 | goozbach | bies |
| 23:03.23 | goozbach | jsmith: I was out of pocket all day |
| 23:03.30 | jsmith | goozbach: No worries |
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