| 00:20.03 | eightyeight | elg: so here's a mutt question: |
| 00:20.59 | eightyeight | i want to change me from: address after i compose a mail. i know how to do that, but i also want it to change my signature |
| 00:21.19 | eightyeight | know how? google hasn't been much help |
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| 02:29.14 | elg | eightyeight: you want hooks |
| 02:29.31 | elg | assuming there's some way you can tell when you want to do this aside from on your whim |
| 02:29.53 | elg | once you begin composing the message, the sig is part of the message. the only way you'd get a different signature is at the beginning of the compose process |
| 02:30.01 | elg | (or edit it manually of course) |
| 02:30.19 | elg | i have mutt give me the headers in the edit too, which is where I usually make any header changes |
| 02:30.30 | elg | you can add, delete, change header values fromt he comfort of vim |
| 02:30.48 | elg | don't remember what the default is |
| 02:33.36 | Sargun | Why isn't Kansas City in Kansas? |
| 02:45.36 | levi | Sargun: It is. |
| 02:45.44 | levi | Sargun: Just not all of it. |
| 02:47.14 | Sargun | it's officially in MO |
| 02:59.45 | levi | Well, Kansas City, MO is bigger than Kansas City, KS. |
| 03:00.00 | levi | But there is an official Kansas City, KS. |
| 03:00.05 | levi | I've been there. |
| 03:03.07 | Sargun | oh |
| 03:17.01 | levi | It is adjacent to Kansas City, MO, but in Kansas instead of Missouri. |
| 03:18.26 | levi | I now have a 1999 Emerald Mica Miata w/leather interior and removable hard top. :) |
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| 03:21.18 | Sargun | neat. |
| 03:23.08 | levi | I think so. |
| 03:23.23 | levi | It's all around much nicer than my old Miata. |
| 03:27.58 | Tene | I just fixed another nasty little bug in parrot. |
| 03:28.10 | Tene | Have a blog post about it too. |
| 03:28.35 | Sargun | Cool. |
| 03:28.41 | Sargun | Math is hard, let's go shopping! ;-P |
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| 03:53.21 | Steve__ | Can anyone recommend a Linux-friendly flatbed scanner that can do legal sized paper? |
| 03:55.41 | Sargun | uhm |
| 03:55.44 | Sargun | you have many choices |
| 03:55.50 | Sargun | do you need B&W |
| 03:56.08 | Sargun | or Steve__ http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html |
| 03:56.15 | brac | [SANE: Supported Devices] |
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| 03:58.43 | Steve__ | Thanks Sargun, I've seen that list and there are a lot of options. I was more wondering if anyone has one they like/recommend. |
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| 04:16.20 | Sargun | Are you steve__ caroline or just confused? |
| 04:16.52 | Steve__ | Sorry Sargun, I'm using my Wife's computer....I don't know why it's saying Caroline |
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| 04:17.21 | Steve__ | aah |
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| 15:15.30 | elg | -chat |
| 15:15.30 | brac | I guess that's good that it's partly open at least |
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| 15:32.15 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 15:32.16 | brac | forces Jayce^ to use a Commodore 64 for all their word processing |
| 15:33.14 | elg | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/11/ejacs-javascript-interpreter-for-emacs.html |
| 15:33.23 | elg | am i the only one who thinks perhaps he picked the wrong name there? |
| 15:36.44 | Jayce^ | erk |
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| 17:20.09 | tensai | ~whaleslap elg |
| 17:20.10 | ibot | ACTION beats elg upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 17:31.48 | elg | wonders if it wouldn't look more natural to have a webcam at the bottom of your monitor |
| 17:32.15 | elg | would it look more natural for someone to be looking at a point above the camera or below? |
| 17:32.22 | jsmith | elg: I needs to follow the cursor :-p |
| 17:33.12 | elg | follow the bouncing cursor? |
| 17:42.45 | eightyeight | elg: so, you're saying that once the message is composed, you can't change the signature? (re: mutt last night) |
| 17:42.59 | elg | sure you can, reedit the message |
| 17:43.10 | elg | but once you begin composing, the sig is now part of the message |
| 17:43.15 | elg | no longer a separate entity |
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| 17:43.58 | eightyeight | hmm |
| 17:44.18 | elg | at least, with the settings i use |
| 17:44.38 | elg | it's entirely possible that mutt can be instructed to append the signature after you edit and I opted for including the signature before editing |
| 17:45.09 | elg | honestly i don't remember much about the defaults or what is possible other than what I decided on way back when, when I stepped through the whole documentation and set each option to my optimal liking |
| 17:46.13 | eightyeight | yeah. i'm not really happy with their docs. not as complete as they should be |
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| 18:01.51 | fozzmoo | You could always append your signature as part of the sending process. |
| 18:02.02 | fozzmoo | I.e. a script a la esmtp. |
| 18:02.37 | fozzmoo | My signature is ~/mysig.pl| |
| 18:05.10 | levi | snickers at people upset by off-list claiming of free hardware on PLUG. |
| 18:15.25 | fozzmoo | levi: Yeah- that's a hard one to follow. |
| 18:15.36 | fozzmoo | Is Von saying everything should be on-list? |
| 18:15.46 | fozzmoo | I'm just snickering at all the people who can't take it all off-list. |
| 18:16.02 | fozzmoo | They're wasting everyone else's time doing it all on-list. |
| 18:16.28 | tensai | although apparently many people were capable of taking it off list |
| 18:18.54 | fozzmoo | I've got a bunch of hardware I'd like to get rid of. |
| 18:19.07 | fozzmoo | I should post it to PLUG/SLLUG and ignore all on-list replies. |
| 18:20.04 | tensai | my favorite is on-list replies to job postings which specifically give a reply address |
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| 18:29.24 | RyanE | I think the person posting the hardware giveaway should explicitly say they expect off-list replies, and then they should post when all gear (or most of it) has been claimed. |
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| 18:30.24 | RyanE | That's how freecycle works, and unfortunately my wife does freecycle from tiem to time, and I have to go claim the junk she gets. |
| 18:30.42 | Sargun_Screen | hehe. |
| 18:31.00 | RyanE | feels creepy stealing something off someone's porch, even if it does have your name on it. |
| 18:35.15 | mrpull | I joined the lehi freecycle list |
| 18:35.22 | mrpull | I'm a bit underwhelmed :) |
| 18:35.38 | mrpull | I need to get rid of my worthwhile stuff and unsubscribe |
| 18:35.42 | mrpull | or just take it all to DI |
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| 19:03.15 | elg | eightyeight: there's several documents. some are not so great, but at least one is thorough and detailed |
| 19:03.21 | elg | but assumes some concepts from the other(s) |
| 19:21.04 | elg | apparently above is the least distracting |
| 19:21.53 | elg | this paper tweaks the video to make it look like you're looking at the camera. |
| 19:22.07 | elg | ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/10242/32662/01530441.pdf?tp=&isnumber=&arnumber=1530441 |
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| 19:45.03 | Tene | https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/ParrotRoadmap -- Schedule for Parrot releases past 1.0. 1.0 planned for March 2009. |
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| 19:55.05 | levi | Arg, there's no longer a DMV office at 104th S. :/ |
| 20:06.20 | bbeattie | any exim admins here know the best way to allow all mail from user@system addressed to accept-all@mydomain regardless of all RBL or invalid mail system checks? |
| 20:06.32 | bbeattie | .. I hate exim btw, why can't everyone use postfix. ;) |
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| 20:09.29 | sjansen | http://www.last.fm/music/Ken+Nordine/_/A+Thousand+Bingbangs |
| 20:13.56 | tensai | bbeattie: you'd need to whitelist it in the acls |
| 20:14.38 | tensai | e.g. accept senders = /etc/exim4/whitelist_from |
| 20:14.58 | tensai | where whitelist_from is a simple list of email addresses to allow |
| 20:15.01 | bbeattie | tensai: I've been trying, I don't completely understand exim's way of doing acl's, it's quite different than postfix. I've tried (for example) sender_host_accept = allowme:atasystem and that fails, but according to the docs that should be all I need to do |
| 20:15.39 | bbeattie | this is an old exim system.. it doesn't have white lists. ;( |
| 20:15.52 | tensai | is it exim 3? |
| 20:17.20 | tensai | bbeattie: what version is it? |
| 20:17.49 | bbeattie | exim 4.69 but whoever set it but has a really messed up config, everything is /etc/exim.conf based, no exim4 subdir |
| 20:18.55 | Jayce^ | only freaks like tensai like that old file :) |
| 20:19.25 | tensai | well, the exim config can go anywhere. it's not particular. |
| 20:20.01 | tensai | that config example I gave you is one I added. it's not a system acl if that's what you thought. |
| 20:20.29 | tensai | what's the error message when it fails? |
| 20:25.08 | bbeattie | sec... |
| 20:29.24 | bbeattie | 2008-11-17 13:26:41 no host name found for IP address 208.23.43.19 |
| 20:29.24 | bbeattie | 2008-11-17 13:26:42 H=(from-server) [208.53.57.89] Warning: Sender rate 3.6 / 1h |
| 20:29.24 | bbeattie | 2008-11-17 13:26:42 H=(from-server) [208.53.57.89] sender verify fail for <fromuser@from-server>: The mail server could not deliver mail to fromuser@from-server. The account or domain may not exist, they may be blacklisted, or missing the proper dns entries. |
| 20:29.24 | bbeattie | 2008-11-17 13:26:42 H=(from-server) [208.53.57.89] F=<fromuser@from-server> rejected RCPT <toaddress@tosystem>: Sender verify failed |
| 20:30.33 | tensai | can you post the rcpt acl? |
| 20:30.37 | bbeattie | I've been trying to use stuff off of docs and posts online but just about every option for host accept/reject ends up with exim failing to start because the option isn't valid. |
| 20:30.56 | bbeattie | rcpt acl from exim? |
| 20:31.21 | tensai | from the exim.conf |
| 20:31.29 | tensai | it's defined by acl_smtp_rcpt |
| 20:31.41 | tensai | acl_smtp_rcpt = acl_check_rcpt |
| 20:31.59 | tensai | so acl_check_rcpt is the one in my config |
| 20:32.03 | tensai | make sense? |
| 20:32.28 | elg | is sooo happy he only deals with postfix these days |
| 20:32.47 | elg | and to think i used to like exim. it was an improvement over sendmail though, no doubt |
| 20:32.52 | bbeattie | =check recipient. |
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| 20:33.19 | bbeattie | acl_smtp_rcpt = check_recipient (sorry, I shouldn't just type part of it) |
| 20:33.38 | tensai | elg: it's like anything else complicated, once you understand the concepts it's remarkably plain |
| 20:34.00 | elg | i seem to remember it being plain at one time |
| 20:34.01 | tensai | bbeattie: so search for ^check_recipient: |
| 20:34.13 | sjansen | ~hug postfix |
| 20:34.14 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on postfix and suddenly hugs postfix tightly |
| 20:34.21 | elg | hardly seems like my own memory though. like looking through a pensieve |
| 20:34.25 | tensai | elg: there's no denying it's obtuse |
| 20:34.46 | bbeattie | there's a block of code for that, yes |
| 20:34.56 | bbeattie | accept host = : right now |
| 20:34.57 | tensai | bbeattie: can you post or send that to me? |
| 20:35.20 | elg | so, does anyone here want to extol the virtues of sweet potato pie before I write it off completely? |
| 20:35.29 | bbeattie | ahh, I see now |
| 20:36.04 | bbeattie | so I can just put the host in there.. but I'd like to only let that host send e-mail (and not relay) and only to one specific address, not any local address. |
| 20:36.07 | tensai | sweet potato pie: it's better than a kick in the teeth |
| 20:37.28 | tensai | accept hosts = 208.53.57.89 |
| 20:38.00 | tensai | condition = ${if eq {$local_part}{toaddress} {yes}{no}} |
| 20:38.27 | tensai | wait, that's overkill. skip that. |
| 20:38.38 | tensai | local_parts = toaddress : otheraddress |
| 20:38.53 | elg | wait, there is no overkill |
| 20:39.06 | Jayce^ | only open fire, and reload |
| 20:39.07 | bbeattie | the IP won't always be the same though, I'm trying to allow e-mail on a dynamic IP to always come to a specific address, without doing smtp auth |
| 20:40.07 | tensai | bbeattie: always the same sending address? |
| 20:40.13 | bbeattie | yup |
| 20:40.21 | bbeattie | always same sending and receiving address |
| 20:40.42 | tensai | accept senders = fromuser@from-server |
| 20:40.54 | tensai | recipients = toaddress@tosystem |
| 20:41.28 | tensai | that should do it. put it before the line that is rejecting the message. |
| 20:41.40 | tensai | you can test it from the command line before restarting |
| 20:41.47 | tensai | exim -bh 208.23.43.19 |
| 20:43.04 | bbeattie | tensai: fails, same error... I guess the question is which line is rejecting it... |
| 20:43.33 | tensai | exim -bh will tell you exactly which acl rule rejected it |
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| 20:44.05 | bbeattie | nvm.. |
| 20:44.11 | bbeattie | yup. :) thanks. |
| 20:44.16 | tensai | for example, http://paste.lisp.org/display/70590 |
| 20:44.17 | bbeattie | I hate exim! ;) |
| 20:44.30 | tensai | bbeattie: apparently the feeling is mutual :) |
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| 20:55.58 | tensai | tristanbob: so they said they wanted to use the GPL for ziptie but couldn't because it wasn't epl-compatible, and instead they came up with *that* mess of a license? |
| 20:56.21 | tensai | their license is essentially the opposite of the GPL |
| 21:11.04 | mrpull | tensai: is there a direct link to download the free version of ziptie without giving them information? |
| 21:12.45 | mrpull | nm. I should have looked harder before I asked. |
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| 21:41.39 | sjansen | elg: Don't know about sweet potato pie, but sweet potato fries are yummy. |
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| 21:51.32 | tensai | wonders if this person even proof read this email |
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| 21:51.54 | tensai | my company has a safety coordinator who regularly sends out emails about various topics |
| 21:52.15 | tensai | things like "don't put your hand in a blender" or "don't mention xml to sjansen" |
| 21:52.29 | tensai | this one today says "OSHA has set 1996 as the target date to have the regulations in place." |
| 21:52.40 | tensai | methinks she copy and pasted without proofreading |
| 21:53.12 | sjansen | eyes tensai suspiciously |
| 21:53.46 | unum | goes back to writing his objecttoxml function |
| 21:54.36 | jlp_work | tensai: must have been a typo... she probably meant 2096 :-) |
| 21:54.44 | unum | I wish they would hurry up and finish the c++ odf libraries |
| 21:55.08 | unum | the php ones have been around forever |
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| 22:05.48 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. A sex party. |
| 22:05.51 | fozzmoo | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081117081954.5w467zcg&show_article=1 |
| 22:11.47 | sjansen | http://pics.livejournal.com/texaslawchick/pic/000619dc |
| 22:12.54 | Jayce^ | funny to see that get passed around |
| 22:12.55 | eightyeight | question: 'required' in pam means that the module must succeed on order to authenticate, but if it fails, the rest of the stack is evaluated, correct? |
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| 22:13.44 | eightyeight | if 'auth required pam_wheel.so use_uid' is in '/etc/pam.d/su', then only members of the wheel group can 'su', for others it fails. |
| 22:14.00 | Jayce^ | pokes dataw0lf |
| 22:14.19 | eightyeight | however, there are additional statements after that line that will be evaluated, correct? so, what keeps the user from authenticating using root's password? |
| 22:15.30 | eightyeight | in other words, why isn't it 'auth requisite pam_wheel.so use_uid'. requisite must pass, the rest of the stack isn't evaulated |
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| 22:16.05 | Tene | eightyeight: 'required' sets the end result to 'fail' if it doesn't pass, regardless of what other tests come after it. |
| 22:16.16 | Tene | The reason it's "required" instead of "requisite" is to not leak information. |
| 22:17.09 | Tene | This way users not in the wheel group are still presented with a password dialog, but it's never actually accepted, even if they get the right password. |
| 22:19.39 | eightyeight | ahh. i see |
| 22:19.45 | eightyeight | Tene: thx |
| 22:20.12 | Tene | eightyeight: Your idea certainly would work like you said, it's just a different style. |
| 22:20.39 | eightyeight | yeah. makes more sense |
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| 23:01.30 | sjansen | ~hug git |
| 23:01.30 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs git |
| 23:01.37 | synic | ^ |
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| 23:08.17 | Sargun | Does anyone know where can I get a usb power injector? |
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| 23:15.19 | high_roller | what does a usb power injector do? |
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| 23:21.01 | mrpull | Sargun: is a powered USB hub impractical? |
| 23:27.04 | Sargun | http://www.jaykang.com/usbtyfetotyf.html |
| 23:27.06 | brac | [USB Type A Female to Female Gender Changer] |
| 23:27.10 | Sargun | that's what I needed |
| 23:36.05 | high_roller | gender bender |
| 23:36.12 | fungus | ~gender |
| 23:36.13 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
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| 23:40.00 | eightyeight | lesbian is a gender? |
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| 23:40.52 | linuxalien | I'm an illegal lesbian |
| 23:47.10 | tensai | o/~ I'm an englishman in new york ~/o |
| 23:47.42 | linuxalien | Woo hoo! |
| 23:50.00 | jshipley | ~gender |
| 23:50.01 | ibot | I'm pregnant |
| 23:50.17 | jshipley | lesbian is more of a gender than pregnant... |
| 23:50.40 | eightyeight | ~gender |
| 23:50.40 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 23:50.42 | linuxalien | hahaha What about a pregnant lesbian? |
| 23:50.52 | jshipley | but since only females can be pregnant or lesbian (or sometimes both), then ibot must be female |
| 23:51.01 | eightyeight | ~gender |
| 23:51.01 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 23:51.12 | linuxalien | ibot, what's up honey buns? |
| 23:51.15 | eightyeight | can females be sexless? |
| 23:51.34 | jshipley | :( there goes that theory |
| 23:51.37 | mrpull | jshipley: you missed the very special barbara walters special with the preggers man |
| 23:51.44 | eightyeight | ~gender |
| 23:51.44 | ibot | I'm female |
| 23:51.46 | linuxalien | Not sure...you either have a vagina, mangina, or a trouser snauzer |
| 23:51.54 | eightyeight | there. there's the definitive answer |
| 23:51.56 | linuxalien | not sure if anyone is born without sex organs |
| 23:52.18 | linuxalien | unless it's a birth defect |
| 23:52.18 | mrpull | eightyeight: I've known some sexless women |
| 23:52.23 | jshipley | mrpull: I have actually seen a news piece on a pregnant man. I admit it's not entirely impossible, but it's rare enough to be generally ignored for something like this :) |
| 23:52.32 | linuxalien | lol |
| 23:52.36 | jshipley | hmmm... sexless as in no gender? or as in they never have sex |
| 23:52.45 | jshipley | if it's the latter then ibot could still be female |
| 23:52.54 | mrpull | as in, I should get my mind out of the gutter before this gets any worse |
| 23:52.56 | linuxalien | jshipley: I saw the book. The pregnant man is a woman who got a sex change to be a man and then got preggo |
| 23:55.12 | jshipley | Lee Mingwei? |
| 23:55.20 | eightyeight | didn't get a sex change. she still carries a vagina |
| 23:55.27 | linuxalien | I think so. |
| 23:55.30 | mrpull | carries? |
| 23:55.32 | mrpull | LOL |
| 23:55.37 | RyanE | I would hope so. Kind of hard to get that big head through man parts. |
| 23:55.39 | linuxalien | Oh well, maybe it was a different person... |
| 23:55.41 | eightyeight | well... |
| 23:55.52 | jshipley | His web page said that he was biologically and anatomically male... |
| 23:55.55 | linuxalien | Saw the book at Barnes and Noble and didn't look that closely at it |
| 23:56.07 | RyanE | so... genetically too? |
| 23:56.15 | linuxalien | Hmmm weird |
| 23:56.24 | eightyeight | for all intents and purposes, she's female who thinks psychologically she's a he |
| 23:56.38 | mrpull | Thomas Beatie is the ....uhmmm... person I'm talking about |
| 23:56.43 | eightyeight | she has ovaries, a uterus, and everything that makes her a 'her' |
| 23:56.47 | linuxalien | I'd have to look at the book again |
| 23:57.16 | eightyeight | iirc, she's taking testosterone, to reduce her breast size, deepen her voice, and grow facial hair |
| 23:57.29 | eightyeight | and she changed her name |
| 23:57.32 | RyanE | that's gotta be healthy for a baby... |
| 23:58.02 | jshipley | Thomas Beatie was born a woman... Lee Mingwei, I believe, was born as a man |
| 23:58.14 | linuxalien | Ohh nice. |
| 23:58.40 | jshipley | http://www.malepregnancy.com/science/ |
| 23:58.42 | brac | [The Science of Male Pregnancy] |
| 23:58.51 | jshipley | for a brief description of how it works |
| 23:59.13 | eightyeight | i guess she did have an external organ change, but she still has the internal plumbing to make it possible |
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| 23:59.38 | linuxalien | Oh ok, that must be the book I saw |
| 23:59.46 | Reilithion | hi all |