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| 00:04.49 | unum | mrpull: it could still be prosecuted as a hate crime. |
| 00:05.17 | unum | they are considering prosecuting the people who are shooting out windows for hate crimes |
| 00:05.25 | mrpull | I don't really like the idea of hate crimes. |
| 00:05.43 | mrpull | crimes are crimes |
| 00:06.02 | mrpull | my point is there would be more outrage is the tables were turned |
| 00:06.11 | mrpull | s/is/if/ |
| 00:06.23 | unum | there's a difference between a crime targeted at and individual a crime targetted at a group of people |
| 00:06.50 | unum | there would be more outrage if the powder was left at a catholic church? |
| 00:06.59 | unum | I'm not sure what you mean by the tables being turned |
| 00:08.03 | mrpull | I'm not being coherent |
| 00:08.19 | unum | the law has always taken intent into a account |
| 00:08.39 | unum | if your intent is to terrorize an entire community it is different then if you just wanted to beat up one guy |
| 00:08.55 | mrpull | you make a good point |
| 00:09.49 | unum | a lot of people think that hate crimes get prosecuted based off of who is targetted, but it's all about intent |
| 00:10.07 | unum | if a black guy beats up a white guy because the guy is white it's a hate crime |
| 00:10.29 | unum | if a white guy beats up a black guy because the black guy was sleeping with his wife it's not a hate crime |
| 00:10.37 | unum | though hate was definetly involved.... |
| 00:11.35 | mrpull | I should rethink my position. my gripe has been special treatment for certain classes of victims. everybody should be equally protected. |
| 00:11.53 | mrpull | but as you describe it, it is makes more sense |
| 00:12.17 | unum | I understood the way you did at first, but then other people explained it to me |
| 00:15.39 | elg | "They did not evacuating the temple, but are not allowing anybody inside. " |
| 00:15.46 | elg | did they grammar the checking? |
| 00:16.31 | mrpull | elg: is grammar a verb? if it is not, it should be. |
| 00:16.44 | elg | it's a surname. why not a verb? |
| 00:22.20 | elg | -chat it's a |
| 00:22.20 | brac | it's a surname. why not a verb? if it is different then if you just wanted to beat up one guy |
| 00:22.56 | elg | oh noes |
| 00:22.58 | elg | my last caramel |
| 00:22.59 | mrpull | oh no, your chains are polluted |
| 00:23.12 | mrpull | -chat one guy |
| 00:23.12 | brac | one guy |
| 00:23.20 | unum | anyone else going to the ignite thingy |
| 00:23.42 | mrpull | I'm gonna go up. |
| 00:23.53 | mrpull | my attention span is about 5 minutes |
| 00:23.58 | mrpull | so it is right up my alley |
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| 06:25.16 | high_roller | ibot: give up |
| 06:25.31 | maquis | is on her iphone right now |
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| 16:53.59 | Sargun | Anyone a MySQL guru here? |
| 16:54.58 | harleypig | not a guru, but maybe I can help |
| 16:55.09 | harleypig | ignores the giggling |
| 16:55.45 | fozzmoo | MySQL and Guru in the same sentence. That's funny. |
| 16:55.56 | fozzmoo | Only throwing "PHP" in there as well would make it funnier. |
| 16:57.13 | zzzirk | harleypig is at least wise enough to realize the humor before fozz got to him :D |
| 16:58.19 | tensai | Sargun: don't ask to ask. just ask. |
| 16:58.26 | Sargun | Stupid, newbish question: What's faster: doing a thousand different selects with WHERE col=$somenum on some index column, or doing a hundred selects and WHERE col>$somesmallnum AND col<$somebignum; assuming col is indexed on innodb |
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| 17:00.16 | tensai | Sargun: the latter is likely to be faster |
| 17:00.34 | tensai | think of how a numeric index is organized. basically all the values are lined up. |
| 17:00.51 | tensai | once you find the $somesmallnum value, you just keep reading the index until you find $somebignum |
| 17:00.57 | tensai | it's a linear operation |
| 17:01.04 | Sargun | or doing SELECT FROM blah WHERE col in (long list of possible values) |
| 17:01.32 | tensai | col in () is effectively a join with a temporary table |
| 17:02.08 | harleypig | Sargun: the latter is going to be faster on an indexed table. |
| 17:02.17 | Sargun | ok |
| 17:02.26 | harleypig | Sargun: on an unindexed table you'd have to run explain to find out. |
| 17:03.17 | Sargun | the column is indexed. |
| 17:04.42 | tensai | depends on the range covered by $somesmallnum - $somebignum. if it's more than say 25% of the table, it'll probably be faster to scan the entire table than use the index. |
| 17:05.33 | harleypig | tensai: qualified true |
| 17:05.46 | tensai | harleypig: as with everything, it depends on the data |
| 17:06.01 | harleypig | Sargun: you're best bet is to run explain on ech of the different queries and see what you get. |
| 17:06.13 | Sargun | ok |
| 17:06.16 | Sargun | thanks |
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| 17:25.49 | unum | the ignite conference was ok |
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| 18:00.10 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:00.10 | brac | installs windows on emcnabb's machine |
| 18:00.20 | elg | ha. let's see you get some work done now! |
| 18:08.27 | fozzmoo | Anyone (local) have a decent socket-A board they want to sell? |
| 18:09.42 | elg | maybe craig does |
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| 18:12.08 | tensai | which processors are socket A? |
| 18:18.14 | high_roller | I think that's older amd athlon 64s |
| 18:18.36 | high_roller | or it might be just athlons (bartons etc.) |
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| 18:25.24 | fozzmoo | It's for AThlon XP |
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| 18:50.50 | elg | i have one i'm not selling and i'm not local |
| 18:50.52 | elg | does that count? |
| 18:51.29 | tensai | hey, me too! |
| 18:52.04 | elg | ~five tensai |
| 18:53.17 | elg | so they got "make mine music" from the library. whodathunk peter and the wolf and all the cats join in would be hidden away on a vhs tape with such a wacky name? |
| 19:07.01 | unum | which program should one use to create passwords for httpd authentication |
| 19:07.26 | synic | htpasswd |
| 19:08.30 | unum | aren't there two |
| 19:08.34 | unum | and one's newer |
| 19:08.48 | unum | ah htdigest |
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| 19:40.26 | fozzmoo | elg: tensai: Well, you both suck. :) |
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| 19:59.46 | elg | anyone want to test google video chat? |
| 20:01.19 | high_roller | does it work on Linux? |
| 20:02.32 | Tene | It requires a browser pluin. Last I heard, no linux support. |
| 20:02.59 | high_roller | well I'd need a webcam too, which i don't have, just curious |
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| 20:06.12 | mrpull | Tene: a custom plugin or just flash? |
| 20:07.35 | Tene | mrpull: a custom plugin. |
| 20:11.37 | elg | custom plugin |
| 20:11.48 | elg | not sure, but I think because of the video codec |
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| 20:50.58 | tensai | are plums supposed to taste moldy? |
| 20:52.09 | goozbach | the only time the answer to "Are * supposed to taste moldy?" is yes, is when * == mold |
| 20:52.31 | elg | or bleu cheese |
| 20:53.14 | tensai | will be interesting to see if I get sick now |
| 20:55.13 | goozbach | tensai: you are most likey more healty than you would have been otherwise |
| 20:55.22 | goozbach | free penicillin |
| 20:56.08 | tensai | my son and dad are allergic to penicillin |
| 20:56.19 | tensai | but not me, luckily |
| 21:08.00 | tensai | wanna try something fun? allow cookies from www.google.com but reject them from mail.google.com. then try to login to gmail. |
| 21:08.09 | tensai | it gets stuck in an endless loop |
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| 21:23.24 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 21:24.19 | Jayce^ | sup? |
| 21:24.37 | fozzmoo | waves wildly at Jayce^ |
| 21:24.56 | Jayce^ | looks around nervously |
| 21:25.06 | herlo | Jayce^: hi |
| 21:25.08 | herlo | pm |
| 21:26.22 | synic | starts to wonder if google is every going to release Chrome for Linux |
| 21:26.30 | synic | s/every/ever/ |
| 21:27.10 | synic | instead, they just keep releasing new windows only software |
| 21:27.11 | fozzmoo | synic: And better yet, will they release it as open source? |
| 21:27.45 | synic | fozzmoo: I doubt it, hah |
| 21:27.56 | fozzmoo | synic: Then it's not worth waiting for. |
| 21:27.58 | synic | I wonder if they'll just release chrome for linux the same way they released picasa for linux |
| 21:29.45 | mrpull | isn't the windows version of Chrome open source? |
| 21:31.09 | herlo | don't think so |
| 21:35.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, you can get the source and compile, but there's lots of bugs |
| 21:35.15 | mrpull | herlo: looking closer, the engine underneath is open |
| 21:35.19 | Jayce^ | and the gui aint barely stubbed |
| 21:35.22 | Jayce^ | mrpull, yeah |
| 21:35.28 | Jayce^ | had it compiled on the mac for a bit |
| 21:35.41 | herlo | mrpull: but without a front-end you'd have to design it yourself... |
| 21:35.52 | herlo | I guess that's good that it's partly open at least |
| 21:35.54 | mrpull | front end schmrunt end |
| 21:36.03 | mrpull | ;) |
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| 21:41.14 | herlo | lol |
| 21:43.02 | Jayce^ | http://datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php <-- just makes me cringe |
| 21:43.06 | brac | [Failing hard drive sounds - Datacent.com] |
| 21:43.36 | mrpull | Jayce^: one of the disks in my workstation sounds louder than it should |
| 21:44.12 | mrpull | Jayce^: I've hated this "raid" setup from day one. I'm waiting for that disk to fail and have the mirror fail. |
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| 22:19.17 | unum | I can't remember the last time I built a kernel |
| 22:19.25 | unum | I'd say it's been over three years |
| 22:24.01 | tensai | unum: when was the last time you popped a kernel? |
| 22:24.39 | unum | popped? |
| 22:27.15 | goozbach | note to self |
| 22:27.44 | goozbach | kernel 2.2 and glibc 6 are *NOT* compatable in any way shape or form |
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| 22:29.36 | zzzirk | wow, 2.2 |
| 22:32.06 | high_roller | 2.2 is old skool |
| 22:35.30 | goozbach | yeah, and it just so happens that this box is our primary dhcp server |
| 22:35.30 | goozbach | and ssh gateway |
| 22:35.30 | goozbach | so I have to rebuild it before I can leave tonight |
| 22:35.45 | synic | tensai: horrible. |
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| 22:48.27 | unum | I think I was using a 2.4 kernel last time I did this type of project |
| 22:48.44 | unum | and I still have all the files |
| 22:49.14 | unum | after I left USU surplus I never thought I'd have to make a boot floppy again |
| 22:53.43 | tensai | I've got a few boxes with 2.2 kernels |
| 22:58.01 | unum | darn still too big |
| 23:21.41 | goozbach | this machine is so old that it only has 1 usb port |
| 23:22.10 | tensai | *gasp* |
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| 23:24.42 | unum | goozbach: that's newer than the machines I'm targetting |
| 23:47.01 | unum | I'm guessing none of you redhat people have had to use rdev? |
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