| 00:01.43 | mrpull-x | Tene / RyanE: it is my understanding the 0x in C++0x is the (upcoming) year that the new standard is finalized. No hex and no real worries. You probably don't think of the current C++ as C++03. |
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| 00:45.46 | RyanE | ah. Had not heard of C++0x, I thought he meant a person's name. Clear explanation. Thx. |
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| 01:59.23 | Tene | I'm rather annoyed by pidgin's "OMG I WAS DISCONNECTED" panic attacks. I really wish it would just reconnect without flashing its annoyin icon at me for every account I have every time. |
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| 02:40.06 | levi | A guy can only take so much reading of Fourier transform derivation in one sitting. |
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| 03:05.13 | levi | elg: Memory leak in kernel space, eh? Nasty. |
| 03:06.20 | levi | So, my Miata is roadworthy again. |
| 03:07.14 | levi | I got the old turbo exhaust taken off and the new mostly-stock exhaust and intake put on yesterday. |
| 03:07.44 | levi | And changed the nasty old oil out for some nice fresh synthetic. |
| 03:08.59 | Sargun | Cool. |
| 03:09.14 | levi | Also, the exhaust on the van gave up the ghost. It's got two mufflers, and the pipe between the two completely rusted out, and the hanger for the early muffler apparently broke off or disintegrated or something. |
| 03:09.41 | high_roller | cannot physcially fit in a miata |
| 03:09.58 | levi | At least exhaust systems are relatively cheap, as far as car parts go. |
| 03:10.07 | levi | high_roller: That's a shame. |
| 03:11.24 | levi | The Miata is the sports car with the best grins/dollar ratio. |
| 03:11.52 | high_roller | not when hauling my fat ass around |
| 03:12.33 | levi | You'll just have to settle for something else, then. |
| 03:12.54 | high_roller | Honda VTX 1800 |
| 03:14.01 | high_roller | like motocycles more than cars :) |
| 03:15.34 | levi | I like having the option of a roof and a heater. |
| 03:16.14 | levi | But that bike has a bigger engine than my car. What do you need a 1.8l engine on a cruiser for? |
| 03:16.36 | high_roller | just because |
| 03:17.39 | levi | Can you turn the beast without scraping your pegs? :P |
| 03:17.51 | high_roller | yes |
| 03:18.24 | high_roller | but there aren't many curves tight enough here to worry about |
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| 03:28.23 | levi | Looks like a fun bike. I'll stick with 4 wheels though, unless the engine is me. |
| 03:28.39 | elg | levi: afaict, yeah |
| 03:28.58 | elg | but i haven't had much chance to analyze it yet. by the time it starts thrashing meltdown is only a few minutes away |
| 03:29.14 | elg | and it doesn't start happening right at boot |
| 03:29.25 | levi | Weird. |
| 03:29.48 | elg | probably triggered by some application |
| 04:30.25 | harleypig | I seem to be having some dns problems ... can anyone give me some help? |
| 04:36.02 | Sargun | harleypig, symptoms? |
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| 06:26.35 | Tene | ... firefox is using 2.8G of ram. |
| 06:50.47 | Supaplex | only? |
| 07:22.32 | Sargun | that's all? |
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| 12:47.09 | eightyeight | my firefox is only user 144mb |
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| 14:01.30 | harleypig | arghh ... anyone know what, with ubuntu, sets up the resolv.conf? |
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| 14:37.12 | eightyeight | harleypig: networkmanager |
| 14:43.48 | harleypig | eightyeight: no such beast on my system ... hopefully aptitude can find and download the right files. |
| 14:44.13 | goozbach | harleypig: dhclient? |
| 14:44.27 | eightyeight | harleypig: not running gnome then, i take it? |
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| 14:45.57 | eightyeight | or a gui, for that matter. i believe that network manager is pulled in as a dependency with kde and gnome |
| 14:50.50 | harleypig | eightyeight: no, but I've got gnome installed. |
| 14:51.12 | harleypig | Just installed knetworkmanager but it can't do a manual configuration (missing module) |
| 14:51.18 | harleypig | goozbach: I'll check |
| 14:52.28 | eightyeight | nm-applet is the the tool responsible for connecting to networks. ubuntu 8.10 has a sysv init script now at /etc/init.d/NetworkManager for starting and stopping it |
| 14:52.56 | eightyeight | if gnome is installed, via the 'ubuntu-desktop' package, then network manager is most likely already installed |
| 14:54.38 | harleypig | not by that name--the closest net<tab><tab> as root gives me network-admin |
| 14:54.54 | harleypig | crap ... I've got an iep in 5 minutes ... thx for the help |
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| 14:56.42 | eightyeight | that's because there is no "networkmanager" binary. look instead for "NetworkManager" and "nm-<tab><tab>" |
| 14:57.14 | eightyeight | (stupid devs, who don't understand the importance of lowercase) |
| 14:58.16 | eightyeight | as a suggestion, wicd is a good replacement for network manager |
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| 16:24.57 | levi | Bah, Bastiat. |
| 16:29.03 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/majority_of_americans_never_use?utm_source=onion_rss_daily |
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| 16:37.45 | tensai | levi: property is now a guaranteed right? |
| 16:39.31 | harleypig | cool ... I want my property |
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| 16:50.46 | levi | tensai: It's one of the three natural rights of classical liberal theory. |
| 16:51.18 | levi | tensai: So, I don't think it's really fair to say it's *now* a guaranteed right, since it was supposedly *always* a natural right. |
| 16:51.42 | harleypig | what about the natural right to get laid? |
| 16:51.52 | levi | tensai: But the right to property just means that you have a right to keep anything you aquire by legal means. |
| 16:52.13 | tensai | I was comparing it to the declaration of indepence which swapped property for pursuit of happiness |
| 16:52.18 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:52.55 | levi | Because, IMHO, the foundation of that particular natural right is a bit shaky, and 'pursuit of happiness' plays a lot better among the poor than 'property' does. |
| 16:54.35 | levi | But 'property' was the original right of classical liberalism, and 'pursuit of happiness' was swapped in by Jefferson, IIRC. |
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| 16:59.18 | levi | Anyway, Bastiat and classical liberals in general believe that human interests are generally harmonious, and that if you let a free market be completely free, things will work out for everyone's benefit. |
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| 17:02.16 | levi | And that's a fine theory, but I don't think it's actually been empirically proven to be true. |
| 17:08.46 | tensai | I'm of the mind that economic theories never work in every situation. we have to be pragmatic about each situation. |
| 17:08.55 | levi | I agree. |
| 17:08.57 | harleypig | the pursuit of happyness doesn't seem to include the use of chemicals though, dangit. |
| 17:09.24 | RyanE | the pursuit of happiness up to a certain point, then hey, you're happy enough, dude. |
| 17:10.10 | levi | harleypig: Sure it does. You can't live or be happy without food and drink, and they're both full of chemicals. |
| 17:10.23 | harleypig | levi: ok ... certain chemical |
| 17:10.24 | harleypig | s |
| 17:10.36 | RyanE | mind-altering chemicals |
| 17:10.46 | jshipley | I really like the idea of lambda functions and built-in regular expressions in C++ |
| 17:10.50 | harleypig | yeah, what's wrong with that dangit |
| 17:10.51 | levi | harleypig: In fact, your right to consume certain chemicals, such as ethanol, is guaranteed! |
| 17:11.04 | harleypig | but not other certain chemicals |
| 17:12.02 | levi | Yes, well, I'm not sure 'pursuit of happiness' has anything to say about that at all. |
| 17:12.13 | harleypig | in what way? |
| 17:12.39 | harleypig | The pursuit of self-knowledge almost always leads to happyness. |
| 17:13.18 | harleypig | Unless one is complete and utter ... sphincter at the end of the alimentary canal. |
| 17:13.30 | levi | You could make arguments both ways about drugs and 'pursuit of happiness', but they don't really seem to come into play in the legal system. |
| 17:14.21 | harleypig | Exactly ... so the pursuit of happyness does not included the use of *certain* chemicals. |
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| 17:14.39 | harleypig | s/included/include/ |
| 17:14.45 | harleypig | stoopid muscle memory |
| 17:15.28 | levi | I'm saying that 'pursuit of happiness' is not directly legally relevant to drug laws. |
| 17:16.14 | levi | You could make arguments both for and against drug legality based on the principle. |
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| 17:31.27 | harleypig | levi: I'm being a pita ... "modren" society has attached a load of negative baggage to the word 'drug' |
| 17:31.37 | harleypig | which I was playing on. |
| 17:33.05 | levi | Sure, but there are, in general, a lot of negative consequences that result from drug use. I don't think the 'war on drugs' is necessarily the right way to deal with them, but I won't pretend that the 'war on drugs' is entirely unfounded. |
| 17:38.21 | levi | Huh, Penguin Classics just published a book containing the 1840 edition of the Book of Mormon. |
| 17:38.50 | harleypig | I'd be interested in the Book of Commandments. |
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| 17:41.55 | levi | http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4859 |
| 17:53.38 | mrpull | harleypig: has the D&C/BoC had significant revisions? (other than later additions) |
| 17:54.37 | harleypig | mrpull: It's my understanding that the BoC was completely reformatted and *some* editing was done before it came out as the D&C |
| 17:54.38 | unum | the D&C had the "doctrine" part removed |
| 17:54.48 | harleypig | *blink* |
| 17:54.52 | harleypig | What? |
| 17:55.31 | unum | the D&C originally had two parts, one part was removed and is now called "lectures on faith" |
| 17:55.41 | unum | and can still be purchased from the church |
| 17:57.30 | harleypig | unum: That's not quite the same as having 'had the "doctrine" removed' |
| 17:58.18 | unum | when they named it the doctrine and covenants it was in reference to the two parts |
| 17:58.32 | unum | the part that was referenced by "doctrine" was removed |
| 17:58.49 | unum | and so now we only have the part the was referenced by covenants |
| 17:59.03 | tensai | just like the bible is knows as the law and the prophets |
| 17:59.12 | tensai | er, the old testament I mean |
| 17:59.39 | tensai | which isn't to say there aren't any prophets in the "law" portion. that's just its name. |
| 17:59.54 | unum | right |
| 18:15.58 | tensai | wow. itu specs apparently are available for free. |
| 18:17.08 | jsmith-teaching | tensai: Huh? |
| 18:17.20 | tensai | http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-T.38-200704-I/en |
| 18:17.33 | tensai | t.38 definition is published there, no fee required |
| 18:17.49 | tensai | seems like many standards bodies charge hefty fees |
| 18:19.22 | tensai | maybe it's just that one, I dunno |
| 18:19.50 | brac | [T.38 : Procedures for real-time Group 3 facsimile communication over IP networks] |
| 18:20.28 | Sargun_Screen | bah. T.38 doesn't work |
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| 18:34.50 | neybar | :q |
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| 18:58.02 | mrpull | neybar: trying out the vi key-bindings for IRC? |
| 19:00.35 | elg | how do you choose a good dentist? |
| 19:00.53 | elg | in general - i don't think anyone would have specific recommendations for las cruces in here |
| 19:04.42 | harleypig | I need to have a where clause that looks like 'event_time >= "last sunday at 22:00:00"'. |
| 19:04.50 | harleypig | In mysql ... any pointers? |
| 19:04.53 | harleypig | I was thinking of using date_sub, but I can't get date_sub( now(), interval day weekday( now() ) + 1 ) to work. |
| 19:08.08 | harleypig | feh ... date_sub( now(), interval days 1 ) doesn't even work. |
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| 19:11.48 | tensai | elg: we're looking to switch dentists soon. ours charges far more than our insurance covers. |
| 19:12.06 | tensai | generally I look for personal recommendations in things medical |
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| 20:02.00 | brac | bots should only speak when spoken to |
| 20:02.21 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 20:02.21 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 20:02.58 | findlay | -chat ~onjoin Supaplex |
| 20:02.58 | brac | ~onjoin Supaplex (1|2|3) |
| 20:02.58 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 20:03.15 | findlay | -chat ~lart |
| 20:03.15 | brac | ~lart had |
| 20:03.15 | ibot | slaps had upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 20:03.32 | Reilithion | findlay: You sure do have fun with those two, don't you? |
| 20:04.16 | Reilithion | ... or should I suspect that you too are a bot? |
| 20:04.51 | findlay | is bot |
| 20:06.02 | Reilithion | Good. Well, now that we've gotten that straightened out let's send you over to #turing or something. |
| 20:06.12 | findlay | is trans-Turing bot |
| 20:06.21 | findlay | gah, you beat me to it |
| 20:06.38 | Reilithion | Gotta be quick in here. ;-) |
| 20:06.43 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:08.16 | WoodsDog | anyone know of a command line tool that comes standard on linux that will extract a .jar file? |
| 20:08.26 | WoodsDog | i know file-roller will work, but it's not CLI |
| 20:11.00 | jshipley | how about jar? |
| 20:11.02 | JoshH | try fastjar |
| 20:11.12 | jshipley | yeah, fastjar should work great |
| 20:11.24 | jshipley | I believe that the jar options are pretty similar to tar options |
| 20:11.39 | Reilithion | gjar, fastjar, unpack200 |
| 20:11.57 | Reilithion | or -- here's a brain-twister -- jar |
| 20:12.59 | Reilithion | WoodsDog: But before you run off, please tell me: What is the output of the following command on your system?: apropos jar |
| 20:23.12 | elg | WoodsDog: unzip? |
| 20:26.14 | elg | ~lastfm recenttracks findlay |
| 20:26.25 | elg | -chat findlay just |
| 20:26.26 | brac | findlay just realized he better be worth purchasing |
| 20:26.39 | elg | ~purchase findlay |
| 20:27.56 | elg | my merchandise is DOA |
| 20:28.03 | elg | i want a refund you cheating bot |
| 20:28.26 | Reilithion | lol |
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| 20:28.59 | Reilithion | -chat refund |
| 20:28.59 | brac | refund had |
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| 20:29.01 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat about ~say -chat ~shoot convolution |
| 20:29.02 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 20:29.13 | findlay | jar is never apropos |
| 20:29.20 | findlay | :) |
| 20:30.14 | Reilithion | What on earth did brac just tell ibot to do? |
| 20:32.11 | findlay | don't know, looks interesting |
| 20:32.38 | Reilithion | You should part and rejoin just so we can find out |
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| 20:32.56 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 20:33.03 | Reilithion | aw darn |
| 20:33.32 | Reilithion | brac doesn't speak its own language. |
| 20:34.33 | findlay | brac's unlimited turing capabilities are mercilessly limited to two arguments |
| 20:44.50 | tensai | ~ram elg |
| 20:56.52 | jsmith-teaching | ~cram elg |
| 20:57.22 | Reilithion | ~scram elg |
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| 21:07.31 | harleypig | -chat monkeys fisting |
| 21:07.31 | brac | monkeys fisting |
| 21:07.59 | Reilithion | Not much there |
| 21:11.31 | tensai | thank $DIETY |
| 21:11.51 | Reilithion | lol |
| 21:12.05 | goozbach | -chat harleypig is |
| 21:12.05 | brac | harleypig is available |
| 21:12.23 | Reilithion | thank: Not enough arguments |
| 21:12.41 | elg | ~date harleypig |
| 21:12.42 | ibot | you date harleypig |
| 21:12.46 | Reilithion | Usage: Thank <deity/benefactor> |
| 21:12.58 | tensai | Reilithion: it's a locally defined variable. depends on the scope. |
| 21:12.58 | elg | export DEITY=ibot |
| 21:14.22 | Reilithion | echo $DEITY |
| 21:16.13 | elg | ~echo |
| 21:16.14 | ibot | it has been said that echo is an issue which can be best fixed using this link: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/content/docbook/current/docs-html/x1695.html#AEN1718, or fixed with fxotune: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+fxotune, or best fixed by troubleshooting your pci bus: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+PCI+bus+Troubleshooting, or of course mentioned in this bad summary: ... |
| 21:16.28 | tensai | I misunderstood reprap to be a diy 2d printer. a 3d printer is way cooler. |
| 21:16.58 | Reilithion | tensai: Agreed |
| 21:17.01 | tensai | http://craphound.com/?p=573 |
| 21:17.07 | Reilithion | tensai: Want to split the cost? |
| 21:18.31 | tensai | probably not something I need right now |
| 21:18.37 | tensai | but how much do the parts run? |
| 21:19.04 | Reilithion | Whole machine is somewhere in the $400 range, I think. It's in Euros, and I'm bad at conversion. |
| 21:22.47 | Reilithion | I'm going to go collapse now. night all |
| 21:22.53 | tensai | enjoy |
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| 21:37.42 | tensai | I found out that it is in fact legal to keep chickens where I live |
| 21:39.20 | tensai | I would be interested in anecdotes from anyone who has ever raised chickens before |
| 21:41.40 | dataw0lf | mmm. hypnotizing chickens brings back memories. |
| 21:42.24 | harleypig | What do you do when someone's having a seizure in the bathtub? |
| 21:42.30 | harleypig | Toss in a load of laundry! |
| 21:48.50 | jshipley | harleypig: I heard that one on the radio on the way in to work this morning |
| 21:51.38 | dataw0lf | http://fsa-bg.org/~yavorescu/images/her_job.jpg |
| 22:08.15 | tensai | dataw0lf: my wife didn't think that was so funny |
| 22:08.42 | dataw0lf | That's a shame. |
| 22:12.08 | harleypig | jshipley: Bob and Tom? |
| 22:12.29 | jshipley | Yeah, I think it was |
| 22:13.37 | harleypig | jshipley: yeah, that's where I heard it. |
| 22:37.51 | goozbach | ~seen Jayce^? |
| 22:37.55 | ibot | jayce^ <n=jayce@office.bluehost.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 23h 21m 50s ago, saying: 'tensai, yeah, always the problem.. how are you liking your co-op? full selection, or just meat? or what?'. |
| 22:38.16 | goozbach | punk started putting motivatedposters.com into his delicious feed |
| 22:38.33 | harleypig | :] |
| 22:44.39 | Sargun | hi |
| 22:50.20 | Supaplex | greetings Sargun |
| 22:50.47 | Sargun | Hello Supaplex, how are you? |
| 22:51.08 | Supaplex | splendid |
| 22:52.09 | Supaplex | I think I shall go enjoy a short nap. upon my return I'll submit more of my rebates, and study for the JNCIS-M (= |
| 22:54.19 | Sargun | are you planning on becoming some sort of network administrator? |
| 23:01.37 | harleypig | wonders what a person who is both a zoophiliac and necropheliac would be called ... |
| 23:01.54 | harleypig | necrozoopheliac? |
| 23:03.58 | harleypig | necrozoophilia ... wow ... it's a real condition ... |
| 23:04.00 | harleypig | owowowow |
| 23:04.22 | RyanE | and if it isn't, and you search for it on the internet, it *will* shortly exist. |
| 23:05.37 | harleypig | Sometimes I hurt myself on my own twisted imagination. |
| 23:05.52 | harleypig | RyanE: I'm afraid to go past wikipedia |
| 23:06.44 | harleypig | wow ... just read the topic ... emcnabb upset somebody did he? |
| 23:18.42 | *** join/#utah dilvie (n=chatzill@c-67-166-126-92.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:25.07 | harleypig | I could use a microdot right about now ... LSD! Take me awaaaaay! |
| 23:33.36 | elg | wtf git? ok, who can help me figure out what happens when you do a git push? |
| 23:33.56 | elg | in git log I see the chcangeset I pushed |
| 23:34.26 | elg | git status says the files in that changeset have been modified and are updated but not checked in |
| 23:34.28 | elg | "will commit" |
| 23:34.50 | elg | i do a git checkout and it happily returns nothing and nothing is changed |
| 23:35.41 | jshipley | git push will push your commits to another location |
| 23:35.49 | jshipley | if you haven't checked them in first then nothing will happen |
| 23:36.04 | elg | everything is in order on my laptop |
| 23:36.09 | elg | it's only screwed up on the server |
| 23:36.19 | elg | the changes are indeed checked in |
| 23:36.36 | elg | on closer inspection, the "modified" changes that git "will commit" is the undoing of the things I just did |
| 23:37.47 | elg | git diff --cached shows the reverse of the changeset |
| 23:47.04 | *** part/#utah jalbretsen (n=jalbrets@97-117-59-103.slkc.qwest.net) |
