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| 00:49.57 | Sargun | Reilithion, bad luck? |
| 00:50.13 | Reilithion | It's so weird. |
| 00:50.55 | Reilithion | When my computer starts up, it goes to a working graphical interface. gdm loads Xorg just fine and I'm able to use the computer for a while. |
| 00:51.08 | Reilithion | But after I log out, the graphical interface vanishes. I can't get it back. |
| 00:51.37 | Reilithion | It should bring me back to a login prompt. But it doesn't. Just a black screen, sometimes with some console output on it. |
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| 03:36.35 | findlay | ~say -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 03:36.36 | ibot | -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 03:36.41 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat about bots should |
| 03:36.41 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 04:52.07 | findlay | ~say -chat ~say -chat |
| 04:52.08 | ibot | -chat ~say -chat |
| 04:52.10 | brac | ~say -chat about convert 1 yottabyte |
| 04:52.10 | ibot | -chat about convert 1 yottabyte |
| 04:52.11 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 04:56.05 | findlay | ~random |
| 05:14.48 | levi | Grrrr. |
| 05:15.04 | levi | My wife threw some pants in the wash without asking me or looking in the pockets. |
| 05:18.15 | levi | Goodbye, cell phone. :P |
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| 06:25.13 | Sargun | levi, Hello new cellular device? |
| 06:25.25 | Sargun | levi, Hello G1, OpenMoko, or some other device? |
| 06:25.29 | Sargun | iPhone? |
| 06:25.42 | Reilithion | Neo FreeRunner |
| 06:28.58 | bonez45 | is there anything out yet that is as refined and polished as the iphone? |
| 06:29.23 | Reilithion | bonez45: Define "refined and polished". |
| 06:32.38 | bonez45 | well, I went shopping to find something with the same OR BETTER resolution, and screen size as the iphone.. I didn't find anything that matches it.. in size or resolution/pixel density.. I have talked with some users of other similar devices.. most concede that the iphone experience is just better.. but I'd like to find something that one-ups it |
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| 06:33.11 | Reilithion | *shrugs* My brother has a phone that might match it. I'll have to get him to tell me what exactly it is. |
| 06:33.16 | bonez45 | maybe I dont' know what I am saying.. just curious... what sort of reviews are popping up.. certainly Apple seems to set the bar.. |
| 06:33.16 | high_roller | not yet, but the iphone lock in is pretty bad |
| 06:33.17 | Reilithion | Made by Sharp or something, I think. |
| 06:33.35 | bonez45 | the lock-in , you mean with AT&T? |
| 06:33.55 | high_roller | lock in with itunes, appstore DRM etc etc |
| 06:34.05 | bonez45 | YEAH, that is stupid.. well, it's good for business, but I think AT&T and Apple too, would both make more $$ if they opened it up |
| 06:35.21 | high_roller | The iphone is pretty fragile though |
| 06:35.54 | high_roller | two buddies of mine have broken their screens when the phone fell off their table |
| 06:36.33 | Reilithion | Durable, High-tech, Affordable. Pick two. |
| 06:38.25 | high_roller | the G1 looks promising |
| 06:38.35 | high_roller | and I like my blackberry |
| 06:39.56 | bonez45 | I like the idea of a full screen, and with that accelerometer.. to change orientation, based on the position in space of the device |
| 06:40.39 | bonez45 | a friend of mine with an iphone said it took some getting used to, to use the onscreen buttons, but he was pretty fast at entering data .. once he got used to it |
| 06:41.56 | Reilithion | Are either of you any good with Xorg or gdm? |
| 06:44.36 | bonez45 | I run both.. what are you wanting? |
| 06:52.53 | Reilithion | wow |
| 06:52.56 | Reilithion | nvm, I figured it out |
| 06:53.04 | Reilithion | I was having... issues |
| 06:53.17 | Reilithion | After I logged out, the GUI disappeared. |
| 06:54.24 | bonez45 | hmmm |
| 06:54.59 | Reilithion | I found out that Xorg was, for some reason, getting confused about which of my 2 video cards to use as the primary one. |
| 06:55.52 | Reilithion | So I specified in the Devices section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf the line BusID "PCI:2:00:00" |
| 06:56.02 | Reilithion | It now seems to be behaving /better/ than it was |
| 06:56.13 | Reilithion | But I am not convinced it is doing exactly what it should yet. |
| 07:00.32 | Reilithion | I am finding this... challenging. |
| 07:03.42 | Reilithion | Nope. It's still not doing it right. |
| 07:03.49 | Reilithion | This is damn peculiar. |
| 07:04.40 | Reilithion | I wonder why Xorg does fine on the first run, but screws up after I log out... |
| 07:09.36 | Reilithion | There we go. That's even better. Perhaps I should attempt to fix it further. |
| 07:09.37 | bonez45 | i had an issue with ubuntu where I'd log in and the resolution would be lousy, 800x600, I'd log out and log back in and it would return to 1280x1024.. or higher.. |
| 07:10.09 | Reilithion | bonez45: That sounds related to the issue I've been experiencing. Somehow, Xorg decides it will use different settings after you log out. |
| 07:10.30 | Reilithion | I actually suspect that gdm is responsible somehow. |
| 07:22.36 | poole | same symptoms *nightmare recollection* it took me weeks to figure that a library wasn't fully loaded before the program started running - |
| 07:24.03 | Reilithion | poole: Do you remember which library? |
| 07:25.20 | poole | it happened on 3 apps - dillo, my wireless card and an early emelfm1 |
| 07:25.50 | Reilithion | Sounds frustrating. |
| 07:25.58 | Reilithion | But gladly, I think this is a different issue. |
| 07:26.00 | poole | dillo was the file.dpi, the wireless card was the atmel driver and emelfm1 was one of the gdk-pix things |
| 07:27.24 | poole | do you have any idea what a hassle those pix loaders are :) |
| 07:27.42 | Reilithion | No idea. |
| 07:28.12 | Reilithion | Me, I'm just glad I'm clever enough and familiar with GNU/Linux enough that I'm slowly figuring out this problem. |
| 07:28.47 | poole | Reilithion - do ps -ef after you exit X and see if something is still running |
| 07:28.49 | Reilithion | Or at least think I am. |
| 07:29.39 | Reilithion | poole: I did something like that a while ago. gdm and one of its threads were still running. And there was a zombied "kill" process running. |
| 07:30.35 | poole | what was the zombied kill process ? |
| 07:30.47 | Reilithion | I have no idea, but it was a child of the gdm thread. |
| 07:30.53 | Reilithion | Couldn't kill it. |
| 07:30.57 | poole | just trying to help - do you have enought memory? |
| 07:31.09 | Reilithion | I should. 512 MB. |
| 07:32.01 | Sargun | lol |
| 07:32.02 | poole | is there any change if the computer is freshly booted vs 'being used a lot' |
| 07:34.09 | Reilithion | I think I have it mostly figured out at this point: I changed /etc/X11/xorg.conf to include the PCI ID of my graphics card and the driver to use for that card. It might not have even been a problem if I didn't have 2 graphics cards installed. What I still can't figure out is this: |
| 07:34.10 | Reilithion | Why did X load fine when I first turned on my computer or rebooted, but fail after I logged out? It seemed to detect the correct graphics card on first run, but not thereafter. Why on earth would it do that? |
| 07:37.30 | Reilithion | There are only 2 answers that make sense to me, and both lack pertinent information: 1) gdm is somehow responsible for this change in behavior OR 2) Xorg is picking up on the hint that BIOS choses to use my Radeon X850 as the primary display when it first boots, but the act of initializing that card for GUI work somehow destroys that information. |
| 07:40.46 | poole | BIOS? what about the pluginplay os options? |
| 07:41.19 | Reilithion | Not sure. In fact, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. |
| 07:42.10 | poole | you mentioned maybe bios ... etc - the displays may be conflicting with irq etc - check to see if you have the bios pluginplay os - off |
| 07:43.24 | Reilithion | Oh, I believe plug&play is enabled, and lspci shows that the video cards do, in fact, have distinct PCI addresses, so I don't believe they conflict. If they did, I think X would fail to start in the first place. |
| 07:51.36 | Reilithion | I suppose I am mainly rather disappointed with the failure of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to deal with this situation. It should have better detection. |
| 07:51.50 | Reilithion | I shouldn't have to edit xorg.conf this much. |
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| 08:04.09 | Reilithion | Although, now that I have both video cards working, it's kind of worth it! |
| 08:06.04 | poole | what did you change? |
| 08:06.49 | Reilithion | A bunch of stuff in xorg.conf . Mainly I customized Device sections for both graphics cards. |
| 08:07.12 | poole | next stop for you xinerama :) good luck |
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| 08:17.20 | Sargun | Good job. |
| 08:17.27 | Reilithion | Thanks. ^_^ |
| 08:18.39 | Reilithion | Now I run into a new problem: GNU Screen doesn't work. |
| 08:18.50 | Sargun | Ouch |
| 08:18.52 | Sargun | that's bad |
| 08:18.54 | Reilithion | Yeah. |
| 08:19.48 | Reilithion | Any thoughts where I should start on that one? |
| 08:55.06 | Sargun | Ok, you guys did piss off the internet: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_re_us/mormon_backlash_boycott_2;_ylt=AoC1OxYrr4DcW7ostwqaJrvLLJ94 |
| 09:19.45 | Reilithion | Ohyeah that reminds me I need to stop eating Subway sandwiches... |
| 10:08.52 | Reilithion | Not GNU Screen |
| 10:08.57 | Reilithion | Virtual Terminal. |
| 10:10.08 | Sargun | oh... |
| 10:10.15 | Sargun | that's worse |
| 10:11.17 | Reilithion | Yeah, I got those mixed up. |
| 10:11.42 | Reilithion | Any idea why switching to a virtual terminal would make the video mode bug out? |
| 10:48.29 | Reilithion | Someone suggested it had something to do with framebuffer... |
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| 15:32.00 | Tene | http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/08_45/b4107085289974.htm |
| 15:32.02 | brac | [Newt Gingrich: Let's End Adolescence - BusinessWeek] |
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| 17:14.28 | Tene | Is it just me, or is the name "C++0x" really ugly? |
| 17:31.56 | RyanE | Obviously, if it's C++, 0x is just a shorthand for whatever "real" hex number they're called. |
| 17:53.44 | tristanbob_ | Amateur Denial Of Service Attack = Leave an 10 minute voice message on a system that doesn't allow deletion during playback |
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| 19:39.59 | elg | Tene: that's interesting. I think he glosses over the fact that we have a bunch more to learn than a shoemaker apprentice did though |
| 19:41.36 | elg | you can hardly be a productive member of society at 13 when you still have 4 years of high school and 4 years of college (perhaps) to cram in still. even if it can be done in much less than 8 years (I think it could) |
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| 21:52.21 | high_roller | this whole boycott Utah thing is just plain dumb |
| 22:11.35 | Heartsbane | boycott Utah? |
| 23:21.29 | Sargun | I agree |
| 23:21.54 | Sargun | but I think the Mormon church has turned into a megacorporation, and needs to be scaled back |
| 23:22.01 | Sargun | or turn into a Corporation |