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| 00:16.46 | sjansen | reiserfs had problems long before Han Reiser was convicted of murder. |
| 00:17.11 | sjansen | It was largely abandoned by Namesys in favor of reiser4. |
| 00:17.46 | sjansen | SUSE is basically the only distro supporting reiserfs, and their developers are on record as hating it because the code is so ugly. |
| 00:18.08 | sjansen | Novell announced their move to ext3/ext4 long before Reiser was even indicted. |
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| 01:36.17 | lukfugl | so if obama/biden win the presidential election, and biden also wins his re-election to his senate seat in delaware, what happens? |
| 01:52.24 | Heartsbane | The Governor appoints a Senator to fill the slot |
| 01:52.29 | jsmith | Exactly |
| 01:52.38 | Heartsbane | until the next election in the next 22 years |
| 01:52.48 | jsmith | Well, different states vary in what they do, but typically it's appointed by the governor |
| 01:53.06 | Heartsbane | in Delaware the governor appoints |
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| 01:53.25 | Heartsbane | in 2010 they elect a new senator |
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| 02:34.29 | lukfugl | interesting tidbit: according to exit polls, over 50% of McCain voters describe themselves as scared about what Obama will do as president if elected, and over 50% of Obama voters describe themselves as scared about what McCain will do as president if elected |
| 02:35.04 | lukfugl | (spectrum of choices: Excited; Optimistic, but not excited; Concerned, but not scared; Scared) |
| 02:35.39 | lukfugl | sometimes I get really scared about how polarized the mainstream parties are getting |
| 02:47.11 | Sargun | ~obama |
| 02:47.11 | ibot | [obama] the better choice at this point. |
| 02:47.19 | Sargun | ~mccain |
| 02:47.20 | ibot | somebody said mccain was more of the same. |
| 02:47.25 | Sargun | whoa. |
| 02:47.28 | Sargun | the bot knows. |
| 02:48.46 | levi | lukfugl: Yeah, the polarization kind of sucks. |
| 02:52.09 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. I didn't vote for either of them. |
| 02:52.34 | RyanE | fozzmoo: so you're scared either way? |
| 02:52.39 | fozzmoo | Pretty much. :) |
| 02:52.46 | fozzmoo | or, at least, concerned. |
| 02:53.12 | fozzmoo | I believe both of these candidates have superpowers. |
| 02:53.25 | fozzmoo | One has the superhuman ability of nonchalance. |
| 02:53.41 | fozzmoo | The other has the inhuman ability to drop about half the syllables from everything he says. |
| 02:53.43 | lukfugl | actually, by the exit poll numbers, >50% of third party voters were optimistic or better about either candidate |
| 02:53.47 | fozzmoo | Very efficient. |
| 02:53.52 | lukfugl | so fozzmoo is an outlier ;) |
| 02:54.02 | fozzmoo | lukfugl: Story of my life, man. |
| 02:55.35 | neybar | I didn't vote for either of the top two either. |
| 02:58.07 | lukfugl | what surprised me is that 4% of those that were scared about an obama presidency voted for obama anyways, and 2% of those scared about a McCain presidency voted for him anyways |
| 02:58.24 | fozzmoo | lukfugl: Masochists. |
| 02:58.29 | fozzmoo | They're everywhere. |
| 02:59.15 | lukfugl | so did anyone run into long lines today? I was expecting lines, but when I went to my polling location at about 2pm it was almost empty |
| 02:59.46 | lukfugl | about 5 of the 8 machines used at any time, and no bottleneck at the table either |
| 02:59.50 | bend3r | i voted early on halloween, i got shipped off to NYC for a conference |
| 03:00.18 | bend3r | there was an hour+ wait at murray city hall, but at least they city employees handed out candy to those in line |
| 03:00.22 | bend3r | haha |
| 03:00.35 | bend3r | im curious where you got those 4%/2% numbers.. kind of interesting |
| 03:00.46 | fozzmoo | I ran into long lines. |
| 03:00.54 | fozzmoo | I went at 8 a.m. That's why. |
| 03:01.01 | fozzmoo | Took me about 30 minutes to get to a voting machine. |
| 03:01.11 | bend3r | not bad |
| 03:01.13 | lukfugl | 8:00:02 pm, utah is called |
| 03:01.26 | bend3r | no surprises there im sure |
| 03:01.37 | Sargun | ... |
| 03:01.47 | Sargun | fozzmoo, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. |
| 03:01.54 | bend3r | I'm out in Manhattan for ad:tech and I was SO close to getting into the onion's election party |
| 03:02.28 | fozzmoo | Then, an hour later, one of my neighbors posted the following status on Facebook: "I just got back from voting. I waited 5 minutes in line! Let's all thank the early voters for helping us have short lines today!!" |
| 03:02.53 | lukfugl | bend3r: http://election.cbsnews.com/election2008/exit.shtml?state=US&race=P&jurisdiction=0 |
| 03:03.11 | levi | Sweet, Tracy Aviary and the Zoo got funding. |
| 03:03.15 | fozzmoo | Damn |
| 03:03.24 | bend3r | ahh.. cbs seems to be skewing numbers compared to other sources |
| 03:03.24 | levi | Ha. |
| 03:03.42 | levi | steals fozzmoo's money and gives it to animals! |
| 03:03.56 | lukfugl | exit polls are always skewed |
| 03:04.06 | lukfugl | the surprising thing to me is just that they're non-zero |
| 03:04.09 | bend3r | it's good they got funding, im a little iffy on using municiple bonds for that.. the zoo, sure.. but tax payers shouldnt have to pay interest on the aviary imo |
| 03:04.41 | bend3r | there is enough a surplus for that |
| 03:04.51 | bend3r | give surplus to the parks, municiple bondes for the zoo |
| 03:04.58 | bend3r | -e |
| 03:05.24 | levi | Man, Indiana and Virginia are close. |
| 03:05.33 | fozzmoo | No they're not! |
| 03:05.40 | levi | Um. |
| 03:05.44 | fozzmoo | New York and New Jersey are close. |
| 03:05.55 | fozzmoo | Indiana and Virginia are distant. |
| 03:06.00 | levi | You know what I mean. :) |
| 03:06.03 | fozzmoo | Not as distant as say, Florida and Washinton. |
| 03:06.28 | bend3r | i thought NJ was decided? |
| 03:07.43 | levi | bend3r: fozzmoo was talking about geographical distance. :P |
| 03:10.39 | fozzmoo | I'm glad this is just about over so we can argue about most interesting stuff like programming languages and Linux distributions. |
| 03:10.59 | bend3r | ha |
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| 03:43.34 | elg | -chat they called |
| 03:43.34 | brac | they called the duty officer at two minutes |
| 03:43.51 | sjansen | -chat obama |
| 03:43.51 | brac | obama had with my cable box says to keep all the time... |
| 03:44.00 | sjansen | -chat mccain |
| 03:44.01 | brac | mccain went |
| 03:44.06 | elg | sianara |
| 03:44.35 | sjansen | ~wake brac |
| 03:44.36 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on brac and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 03:44.47 | elg | fivethirtyeight.com has called it |
| 03:44.58 | elg | and in other news I made pecan pie tonight |
| 03:45.30 | sjansen | http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/votes.html |
| 03:45.31 | brac | [Presidential Big Board - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times] |
| 03:46.17 | sjansen | NYT allows monitoring all major channels on one page. Fox is most aggressive to call states. NYT slowest. |
| 03:46.48 | elg | that's nice |
| 03:46.57 | sjansen | elg: Ever had oatmeal pie? Tastes like pecan pie. |
| 03:47.00 | elg | i'm watching lehrer, they announce all the calls |
| 03:47.06 | elg | weird |
| 03:47.38 | sjansen | I'm eating spinach and goat cheese pizza. Tasty. |
| 03:51.33 | sjansen | "I'm not a racist. I just don't think America is ready for a black president." |
| 03:51.47 | sjansen | Suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee.... |
| 03:52.42 | elg | -chat I'm not |
| 03:52.42 | brac | I'm not stupidly immature. |
| 03:54.25 | elg | suuuuuuuurrrrreeeeeee |
| 03:55.21 | levi | elg: Pecan pie is the bestest pie. |
| 03:55.48 | lukfugl | so far superdell has 2% of the vote |
| 03:56.23 | elg | predicts mccain concedes at 11, leaving alaska and hawaii out in the cold |
| 03:56.31 | elg | 11ET |
| 03:56.41 | elg | levi: my sentiments exactly |
| 03:57.16 | lukfugl | pecan pie minus the pecans is bestest |
| 03:57.21 | lukfugl | it's still good with the pecans though |
| 03:57.27 | sjansen | I dunno. Oatmeal pie is just as tasty, but cheaper to make. |
| 03:57.49 | lukfugl | sjansen: I think I'll have to try this oatmeal pie sometime |
| 03:58.12 | elg | this particular recipe is awesome in that it's not overly sweet and doesn't take corn syrup to make |
| 03:58.23 | lukfugl | does it taste like homemade rubber oatmeal, or instant paste oatmeal? |
| 03:58.32 | elg | (or maple syrup, which sounds really good but also sounds really expensive) |
| 03:58.48 | lukfugl | indeed |
| 03:58.57 | sjansen | lukfugl: I don't know what you mean. |
| 03:59.01 | lukfugl | I might kill to eat a pecan pie made with real maple syrup |
| 03:59.16 | lukfugl | sjansen: those are the only two types of oatmeal that I've experienced |
| 03:59.33 | elg | lukfugl: it will no doubt come as a shock to you, but I've actually had oatmeal I like |
| 03:59.53 | lukfugl | elg: me too, but it still fell in the rubber category. just less rubbery than others |
| 03:59.56 | neybar | why did prop 1 and 2 pass? Do people even read those? Sure why not fund the zoo, that magic money won't come out of my pocket... I say Hogle zoo doesn't get any more money until they pay back their other bond(s) |
| 03:59.57 | elg | when erin makes it from real steel cut oats (not the instant or quick or rolled oats) |
| 04:00.04 | elg | no, this was more like cracked wheat |
| 04:00.09 | sjansen | It has the consistency of pecan pie. The oatmeal is basically filler to absorb the butter and sugar. |
| 04:00.21 | lukfugl | elg: mmm, I need to try that |
| 04:00.28 | lukfugl | I've only had with rolled oats |
| 04:00.38 | elg | yeah, that's the most disgusting evar |
| 04:00.50 | elg | looks like cali put it over the top |
| 04:01.19 | elg | "officially" unofficially |
| 04:01.27 | lukfugl | yeah, cbs just called it |
| 04:01.47 | elg | they were just waiting for the 11ET polls to close |
| 04:02.23 | levi | elg: You should try pecan pie with maple syrup. |
| 04:02.39 | elg | next time i find a bottle of maple syrup on the side of the road i will ;-) |
| 04:02.55 | elg | seriously though i will try it someday |
| 04:03.33 | lukfugl | levi: if he does, I might have to commit fratricide |
| 04:03.37 | lukfugl | across state lines |
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| 04:04.08 | levi | elg: I often make maple pecan pie for T-day. |
| 04:04.14 | levi | SO YUMMY |
| 04:04.43 | sjansen | likes levi's idea for a new tradition |
| 04:05.44 | lukfugl | levi: will you make me a maple pecan pie for turkey day? |
| 04:06.08 | elg | lukfugl: you didn't get the commitment pattern right. It's |
| 04:06.12 | levi | lukfugl: Sorry. :) |
| 04:06.18 | elg | WILL YOU make me a maple pecan pie for turkey day? |
| 04:06.30 | elg | with a stare and a smirk |
| 04:06.33 | lukfugl | heh |
| 04:07.18 | lukfugl | I'm curious to see which way MO, IN and NC will go |
| 04:11.14 | sjansen | I'm curious to see how long the FL recount takes this time. |
| 04:16.49 | lukfugl | heh |
| 04:17.03 | sjansen | Does everyone else have problems with FF being pathologically unable to correctly interpret mouse button presses? |
| 04:17.12 | lukfugl | nope |
| 04:18.00 | sjansen | I try to right click on stuff and on a semi-regular basis it picks a random menu item instead of displaying the context menu. |
| 04:19.16 | sjansen | McCain just conceded. |
| 04:20.15 | Reilithion | It's a pretty good concession speech, really. |
| 04:20.19 | Reilithion | Kinda moving. |
| 04:22.30 | sjansen | This is the McCain we knew and loved. Classy. |
| 04:28.55 | levi | McCain without his campaign handlers running things. |
| 04:34.48 | Reilithion | People in Zambia are celebrating Obama's election. I've never seen people so happy. |
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| 04:56.14 | lukfugl | -chat the election |
| 04:56.15 | brac | the election ends :-/ |
| 04:56.19 | lukfugl | :) |
| 04:57.16 | Sargun | hehe |
| 04:57.18 | lukfugl | now that's some bot sentience |
| 04:57.20 | Sargun | -chat prop |
| 04:57.21 | brac | prop was |
| 04:57.23 | Sargun | -chat prop 8 |
| 04:57.24 | brac | prop 8 |
| 04:57.26 | Sargun | prop 8 is |
| 04:57.31 | lukfugl | -chat proposition eight |
| 04:57.31 | brac | proposition eight |
| 04:57.35 | lukfugl | hmm |
| 04:57.51 | lukfugl | with 8% reporting (~10 minutes ago) it was passing 55%/45% |
| 04:58.27 | lukfugl | with 10% (just now) it's passing 54%/46% |
| 05:03.54 | lukfugl | -chat bzflag |
| 05:03.54 | brac | bzflag did |
| 05:04.03 | lukfugl | -chat bzflag is |
| 05:04.04 | brac | bzflag is an X-7 |
| 05:04.54 | sjansen | -chat lukfugl in a tie-fighter |
| 05:04.54 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
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| 05:08.08 | lukfugl | sjansen eats maple syrup |
| 05:08.13 | lukfugl | -chat sjansen eats |
| 05:08.13 | brac | sjansen eats maple syrup |
| 05:08.21 | lukfugl | -chat sjansen |
| 05:08.22 | brac | sjansen did a rm -f libtonezone.so libtonezone.a *.lo |
| 05:10.15 | Sargun | -chat lukfugl |
| 05:10.15 | brac | lukfugl is curious what useless Google cruft" mode. |
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| 05:11.45 | lukfugl | -chat irssi |
| 05:11.45 | brac | irssi went |
| 05:11.52 | lukfugl | -chat irssi |
| 05:11.52 | brac | irssi did |
| 05:11.57 | lukfugl | blah |
| 05:13.42 | sjansen | -chat yes we can |
| 05:13.42 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 05:14.07 | sjansen | -chat brac is |
| 05:14.08 | brac | brac is smarter than that. :) |
| 05:14.14 | sjansen | ~lart brac |
| 05:14.14 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at brac |
| 05:14.33 | sjansen | ibot is a closet Sarah Palin supporter! |
| 05:14.58 | lukfugl | -chat sarah palin |
| 05:14.59 | brac | sarah palin its Vice President DOES. |
| 05:15.23 | lukfugl | -chat ibot loves |
| 05:15.24 | brac | ibot loves ME! |
| 05:15.24 | ibot | Yes, I do love you! |
| 05:15.28 | lukfugl | lol |
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| 05:24.43 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 05:24.43 | brac | makes elg read slashdot at -1 |
| 05:24.50 | elg | -chat lukfugl was |
| 05:24.50 | brac | lukfugl was curious |
| 05:24.55 | elg | -chat why did |
| 05:24.56 | brac | why did you intend to |
| 05:25.04 | elg | -chat ibot loves |
| 05:25.04 | brac | ibot loves me :-( |
| 05:25.13 | elg | -chat ibot hates |
| 05:25.14 | brac | ibot hates you. |
| 05:25.24 | elg | -chat sjansen could |
| 05:25.24 | brac | sjansen could use to be like....penny thickness |
| 05:25.25 | lukfugl | you were so enthusiastic about that love before, brac |
| 05:25.39 | elg | -chat you were |
| 05:25.40 | brac | you were thinking that Trixbox does not think about trying to call C libraries. |
| 05:28.05 | sjansen | sjansen could defeat defeat darth vader |
| 05:28.15 | elg | -sjansen darth vader |
| 05:28.17 | sjansen | sjansen has the millenium falcon |
| 05:28.32 | elg | -chat darth vader |
| 05:28.33 | brac | darth vader on a Haskell-based solution for peerfailover in trunk, epoll changes are made, but doesn't happen to unemployment? |
| 05:28.34 | sjansen | sjansen is a true jedi |
| 05:28.43 | elg | -chat jedi will |
| 05:28.43 | brac | jedi will |
| 05:28.48 | elg | -chat will jedi |
| 05:28.48 | brac | will jedi |
| 05:28.52 | elg | -chat the jedi |
| 05:28.52 | brac | the jedi |
| 05:29.04 | elg | clearly we don't discuss the jedi enough anymore |
| 05:29.38 | sjansen | blames elg for the defeat of the jedi council |
| 05:29.50 | elg | sjansen slaughters padowans |
| 05:29.54 | tensai | weather guy here was just talking about a snow advisory you guys apparently have |
| 05:30.06 | elg | ~mock utah |
| 05:30.07 | ibot | ACTION pulls utah's pants down and shows the world utah's pink spotted underwear |
| 05:30.13 | sjansen | yeah, 3 to 7 inches |
| 05:30.14 | elg | -metar kppvu |
| 05:30.17 | elg | -metar kpvu |
| 05:30.18 | brac | couldn't find weather data for KPPVU |
| 05:30.19 | tensai | he said tooele as "too lee" |
| 05:30.22 | tensai | it was pretty funny |
| 05:30.24 | brac | KPVU 050515Z 33005KT 10SM SCT070 BKN080 02/M02 A2991 RMK AO1 |
| 05:30.40 | sjansen | nothing falling yet though |
| 05:30.51 | tensai | ~flake sjansen |
| 05:31.09 | sjansen | Perhaps the Governor will declare tomorrow a snow day/day of Republican mourning. |
| 05:31.52 | tensai | I'm sure SUPERDELL will be in mourning. he was the last hope for freedom on the earth. |
| 05:32.58 | sjansen | I doubt it'll. He'll probably interpret it as a sign that he should buy more ammo, and invest more time upgrading his bunker. |
| 05:34.13 | elg | xkcd ftw |
| 05:34.51 | sjansen | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/business/02global.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1225862758-hVde2NmpM2kA4I8s3ZafJw |
| 05:34.55 | brac | [The Reckoning - From Midwest to M.T.A., Pain From Global Gamble - Series - NYTimes.com] |
| 05:36.12 | lukfugl | elg: heh |
| 05:36.46 | lukfugl | -chat joe the |
| 05:36.47 | brac | joe the wannabe plumber? |
| 05:36.59 | elg | -chat joe the |
| 05:36.59 | brac | joe the plumber would like all the switches need to point at which one of my folder buddy in Mens Chorus last year at VON so no need to watch that movie there way to SFO during flight week |
| 05:37.32 | lukfugl | -chat xkcd |
| 05:37.32 | brac | xkcd had |
| 05:38.35 | levi | http://xkcd.com/497/ |
| 05:38.36 | brac | [xkcd - A Webcomic - Secretary: Part 4] |
| 05:38.37 | elg | -chat xkcd is |
| 05:38.38 | brac | xkcd is the case they may be having a serious relationship with them so much for what I need a vacation |
| 05:38.39 | levi | That one cracks me up. :) |
| 05:39.42 | lukfugl | go tron paul |
| 05:40.15 | lukfugl | 2.5% of the vote for dell schanze |
| 05:40.26 | lukfugl | scary beyond all reason |
| 05:40.48 | Reilithion | Bots talking to each other rule. |
| 05:41.27 | sjansen | lukfugl: Maybe people were voting drunk. Or missed. Or... |
| 05:41.32 | sjansen | geez, 2.5% |
| 05:41.34 | levi | I love how his blimp crashes and burns after firing on Doctorow's balloon, and he refuses to dump the gold. :) |
| 05:55.52 | elg | lukfugl: i bet mostly libertarian sympathizers who didn't realize who they were voting for |
| 05:56.07 | elg | that's the most comfortable and hope-filled explanation anyway |
| 05:58.25 | sjansen | Geez, 2.5 means > 16,000 people. |
| 05:59.09 | Sargun | lukfugl, SUPERDELL? |
| 05:59.18 | sjansen | Those are people let drive. Have children. Hold sharp objects. |
| 06:00.07 | lukfugl | Sargun: yup |
| 06:00.20 | Sargun | I can't say much about Utah's population... |
| 06:00.35 | sjansen | elg: I hope you're right. I know I've been known to throw my vote away on a libertarian I didn't know just to protest. |
| 06:00.47 | elg | so have i |
| 06:01.11 | elg | and if i weren't a computer geek who loved to make fun of SUPERDELL, would I have placed Dell Schanze as that totally awesome guy? |
| 06:02.33 | sjansen | Yeah. People who care less about computers probably haven't had reason to notice how Totally Insane he is. |
| 06:03.25 | elg | heh. imagine voting for "the libertarian, whoever that is" and waking up to SUPERDELL as your govn'r |
| 06:03.39 | elg | that would be funny to watch. from a distance. |
| 06:06.34 | Reilithion | elg: Emphasis on the "from a distance" part. |
| 06:07.28 | sjansen | I don't know. Even from a distance... |
| 06:08.05 | sjansen | For example, I could see SUPERDELL trying to mobilize the national guard to resolve the whole Yucca Mountain/Nevada nuclear waste disposal issue. |
| 06:08.42 | Reilithion | wow |
| 06:08.46 | Reilithion | So could I. |
| 06:09.49 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/funny-pictures-cat-lives-in-a-depressed-economy2.jpg |
| 06:12.12 | Reilithion | Guy on CNN just used the phrase "Cathedral and the Bazaar" and talked about the open source movement! |
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| 07:26.38 | RyanE | At least the ballot had "SUPERDELL" on it, not just his 'real' name. |
| 07:44.03 | Sargun | in all caps? |
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| 08:26.24 | Or- | hi |
| 08:26.49 | Or- | whatsup? |
| 08:28.19 | Or- | anybody here? |
| 08:42.48 | Tene | hi |
| 08:47.42 | Or- | where you from Tene? |
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| 14:25.54 | elg | -chat now it's |
| 14:25.55 | brac | now it's the sort of thing. |
| 14:26.03 | elg | -chat if only |
| 14:26.03 | brac | if only it wasn't a password |
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| 15:56.31 | fozzmoo | http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/GM081104CLR-Celebrat20081104032040.jpg |
| 15:59.55 | goozbach | yay! |
| 16:00.03 | goozbach | -chat it is |
| 16:00.03 | brac | it is in it |
| 16:00.09 | goozbach | sure enough |
| 16:07.42 | RyanE | Well, so far, Obama's weather control net leaves something to be desired. |
| 16:08.00 | RyanE | Lake effect snow... He must be punishing Utah for voting McCain. :) |
| 16:08.53 | fozzmoo | Nah. It's just nature. |
| 16:09.00 | goozbach | -chat sure enough |
| 16:09.01 | brac | sure enough the broad description was better |
| 16:09.16 | fozzmoo | It's only controlled by someone for evil purposes if there's a republican in office. |
| 16:09.29 | RyanE | *that's right*. I keep forgetting that. |
| 16:10.55 | tensai | no, no, no. the yakuza is controlling the weather. haven't you read weatherwars.info? |
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| 16:36.48 | Supaplex | TimRiker, greetings =) |
| 16:38.48 | Or- | hi |
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| 16:48.26 | macnewbold | ping tristanbob |
| 16:48.34 | macnewbold | ~ping tristanbob_ |
| 16:48.35 | ibot | pong tristanbob_ |
| 16:49.00 | macnewbold | ~seen tristanbob |
| 16:49.05 | ibot | tristanbob is currently on #utos (5d 1h 11m 14s) #utah (5d 1h 11m 14s) #ubuntu-us-ut (5d 1h 11m 14s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1d 20h 50m 28s, last said: '"Every single bad thing you believe about me is false." Quick, think of something evil about superdell and it will automatically become untrue!'. |
| 16:49.05 | macnewbold | ~seen tristanbob_ |
| 16:49.06 | ibot | tristanbob_ is currently on #utah (21d 4h 46m 15s). Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 1d 22h 56m 41s, last said: 'I have no idea - is he in here?'. |
| 16:53.30 | unum | Greg Curtis is GONE!! |
| 16:53.54 | unum | now I just need to figure out how to get rid of Stephens and Dougal |
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| 16:54.17 | pSew | i have a 69byte file. it stores contours(shapes) for photoshop. I have a Hexeditor. the file displays mostly as dots( ....) i need to know where the values of the points of the shapes are |
| 16:55.27 | jsmith | pSew: Well, that would entirely depend on the file format, correct? What makes you think this is the proper venue for that type of question, anyway? |
| 16:57.25 | pSew | a simple hex edit website |
| 16:59.17 | pSew | anyone know of a hexedit channel |
| 17:01.23 | Or- | hi |
| 17:01.30 | Or- | sup utah? |
| 17:02.48 | goozbach | morning! |
| 17:03.25 | fozzmoo | Huh. |
| 17:03.33 | fozzmoo | Circuit City is closing a boat load of stores... |
| 17:03.35 | fozzmoo | none in Utah. |
| 17:03.55 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Looks like a BUNCH in GA |
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| 17:04.04 | fozzmoo | Close to 20 |
| 17:04.21 | elg | maybe close to 40 |
| 17:04.23 | elg | like, 423 |
| 17:04.25 | elg | 42 even |
| 17:04.51 | fozzmoo | 155 total. |
| 17:05.23 | elg | -chat close to |
| 17:05.24 | brac | close to the status byte. It would know about. |
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| 17:07.28 | fozzmoo | Wow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFdfoYhGJj8 |
| 17:07.47 | fozzmoo | The Victor® Multi Kill™ Electronic Mouse Trap is the fastest, easiest, and most advanced solution available on the market. The latest innovation in electronic rodent control, the Multi-Kill™ Trap delivers a high-voltage shock to eliminate up to 10 mice per setting. Fully Automated, the trap has the ability to eliminate your rodent problem in just 1 night. |
| 17:09.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: ALL of the stores in GA |
| 17:09.12 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Wondered. |
| 17:09.23 | unum | I already have a multi kill mouse trap |
| 17:09.28 | unum | I call him tigger |
| 17:09.29 | tensai | fozzmoo: thanks a lot. now I want a mouse problem. |
| 17:09.34 | fozzmoo | I guess you'll have to go somewhere else for your high priced audio patch cables. |
| 17:09.43 | fozzmoo | tensai: No kidding. |
| 17:09.47 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I had a mouse problem |
| 17:09.57 | tensai | unum: ours is great at keeping the spiders in control |
| 17:10.07 | goozbach | i don't suggest poison, now I have a SMELL problem |
| 17:10.08 | fozzmoo | Makes me want to go to Petsmart to buy some rodents and then get this thing... |
| 17:10.27 | fozzmoo | Just wish it had a plexiglass window into the "kill chamber" |
| 17:10.32 | Or- | are u all from utah? |
| 17:10.41 | goozbach | fozzmoo: dremel and cd case |
| 17:10.45 | Or- | ? |
| 17:10.46 | fozzmoo | Or-: From or in. |
| 17:10.56 | goozbach | from or in or none of the above |
| 17:10.59 | Or- | nice |
| 17:11.01 | elg | have you ever smelled frying mouse? |
| 17:11.02 | Or- | where in utah? |
| 17:11.07 | Or- | we got ourselves a ranch there |
| 17:11.09 | fozzmoo | Or-: Except for Sargun- He's... we're not sure where he is. |
| 17:11.12 | Jayce^ | pretty much all of it |
| 17:11.26 | fozzmoo | Or-: I'm in the south end of the Salt Lake valley. |
| 17:11.42 | goozbach | north, south, the prettiest little town in the southwest |
| 17:11.58 | Or- | our ranch is a really unique place 20 minutes from the ski lifts of park city |
| 17:12.06 | Or- | a 2000 acres of land |
| 17:12.06 | elg | i have. give me a mouse trap that doesn't send noxious charred mouse fumes my way, thanks |
| 17:12.11 | fozzmoo | Or-: Nice. |
| 17:12.21 | Or- | and it controls 1.5 miles of the provo river |
| 17:12.23 | Or- | u know the provo? |
| 17:12.33 | Or- | and its next to the national forest on two sides |
| 17:12.34 | fozzmoo | Or-: Ahhh yeah- you're talking about Provo canyon. |
| 17:12.38 | Sargun | fozzmoo, ? |
| 17:12.52 | Jayce^ | Or-, lucky, would love some land like that :) |
| 17:12.55 | elg | oooh, programming clojure book in beta |
| 17:12.55 | Or- | our ranch lies along the provo |
| 17:13.03 | elg | if only clojure didn't totally suck for dsp |
| 17:13.05 | Or- | its situation both in wasatch and summit counties |
| 17:13.08 | Sargun | fozzmoo, nick125_screen, and I are not from UT. |
| 17:13.18 | goozbach | Or-: interested in selling |
| 17:13.23 | goozbach | I'll offer 25 |
| 17:13.32 | Or- | our ranch there runs from the mountains of the wasatch national forest across the provo river valley to the hills of uinta national forest on the other side |
| 17:13.35 | Jayce^ | Sargun, uhhh you sure on that? |
| 17:13.40 | fozzmoo | My family used to have 10 acres NW of park city. |
| 17:13.52 | fozzmoo | I wish my parents had never sold it. |
| 17:14.01 | Or- | we got the provo river, tons of meadows, timbered hills, oak covered ridge and what not over there |
| 17:14.08 | Or- | u think u can afford? |
| 17:14.08 | goozbach | nice! |
| 17:14.15 | goozbach | just offered 25 |
| 17:14.23 | Sargun | Jayce^, sure on nick125_screen? |
| 17:14.36 | Jayce^ | Or-, pretty sure you wouldn't come down to any price I could dream of affording :) |
| 17:14.49 | Or- | probably |
| 17:14.56 | fozzmoo | Or-: Where are you? |
| 17:14.57 | Or- | u wanna buy just the main house? |
| 17:14.58 | goozbach | Jayce^: we could do our co-op there? |
| 17:15.02 | Or- | its 20,000 sqft |
| 17:15.06 | Jayce^ | goozbach, would love to |
| 17:15.14 | fozzmoo | Sounds like a good place for PLUG meetings. |
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| 17:15.18 | Jayce^ | 20k ft^2 ? |
| 17:15.21 | Or- | give me 40 mil |
| 17:15.22 | Or- | its urs |
| 17:15.27 | goozbach | 40mil |
| 17:15.42 | goozbach | divided by 6... |
| 17:15.44 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 17:15.51 | Or- | u can all splits it |
| 17:16.04 | Or- | all the acreage is in one block |
| 17:16.04 | Jayce^ | uh, 20k ft would be a half acre.. |
| 17:16.06 | goozbach | how many acres? |
| 17:16.10 | fozzmoo | 2000 |
| 17:16.24 | Or- | wanna see pics? |
| 17:16.30 | goozbach | probabally talking the lot with the main house |
| 17:16.41 | Or- | yep |
| 17:18.03 | Or- | its not for sale |
| 17:18.17 | Or- | over my dead body |
| 17:18.40 | Sargun | heh |
| 17:19.24 | Or- | we got another tract of land in utah |
| 17:19.32 | Or- | other side though |
| 17:19.44 | Or- | entirely in southeaster utah |
| 17:19.58 | Or- | actually the eastern border of that ranch also serves as the western colorado's state line |
| 17:20.35 | Or- | we got about 9 acres over there |
| 17:20.50 | Or- | forests, wetlands, meadows, creeks and theres a large lake over there |
| 17:20.55 | Or- | lol |
| 17:20.58 | Or- | about 9000 acres not 9 |
| 17:21.47 | Or- | its adjacent to the manti la sal national forest |
| 17:21.49 | Or- | you know? |
| 17:21.56 | Or- | and the la sal mountain utah state forest |
| 17:21.56 | Jayce^ | yeah, I think the likelyhood of you finding somebody here able to afford that size of property is less than a statistical improbability |
| 17:22.04 | Or- | lol |
| 17:22.06 | Or- | we're not looking |
| 17:22.12 | fozzmoo | I thought that was all federal land |
| 17:22.18 | Or- | nope |
| 17:22.20 | Or- | its all private |
| 17:22.22 | fozzmoo | *shrugs* |
| 17:22.25 | Or- | its ours |
| 17:22.35 | Or- | all these propeties have been in my family over 100 years |
| 17:23.09 | Or- | that ranch is about an hour's drive from Moab |
| 17:23.12 | Or- | you know moab? :) |
| 17:23.16 | Or- | utah's adventure capital |
| 17:23.21 | elg | never heard of it |
| 17:23.31 | Or- | jesus |
| 17:23.37 | elg | heard of him |
| 17:23.39 | Or- | moab is known world-wide |
| 17:23.47 | Or- | for its scores of natural landmarks |
| 17:23.58 | elg | you mean like forks in the road? |
| 17:23.59 | Or- | let me say this |
| 17:24.15 | Or- | within 200-mile radius of moab, there are more national and state parks than in ANY other place in utah |
| 17:24.31 | elg | state parks? |
| 17:24.57 | Or- | yep |
| 17:25.04 | Or- | u know the delicate arch? |
| 17:25.13 | Or- | canyonlands national park, dead horse point state park |
| 17:25.20 | elg | i thought those were in nevada |
| 17:25.22 | Jayce^ | umm, we do live here.... |
| 17:25.25 | Or- | and slickrock trail in the sand flats recreation area u know? |
| 17:25.42 | Jayce^ | not like we're looking for another tourism ad |
| 17:25.44 | elg | Jayce^: you've heard of this moab place? |
| 17:25.49 | Or- | lol |
| 17:25.51 | Jayce^ | sounds fascinating |
| 17:26.00 | Or- | its a restricted private area |
| 17:26.05 | Or- | we dont allow tourists in |
| 17:26.08 | Or- | our ranch |
| 17:26.08 | elg | kind of like area 51 |
| 17:26.12 | Or- | lol nope |
| 17:26.14 | Or- | just private |
| 17:26.15 | elg | but i'm pretty sure that's in oregon |
| 17:26.30 | tensai | elg: area 51 is in NV |
| 17:26.44 | elg | you're confusing it with area 52 |
| 17:26.56 | Or- | u know the CWMU? |
| 17:26.59 | elg | off-by-one error |
| 17:27.02 | elg | it's understandable |
| 17:27.13 | Or- | utah's cooperative wildlife management unit CWMU |
| 17:27.20 | Or- | we're in it |
| 17:27.23 | Or- | in both ranches |
| 17:27.28 | Or- | so ..no hunting |
| 17:27.31 | elg | so you manage cooperative wildlife |
| 17:27.45 | Or- | no its just a program tha tprotects local wildlife |
| 17:27.50 | Or- | as in prohibits people from hunting |
| 17:27.58 | tensai | must be hard to visit all that utah wilderness from israel |
| 17:28.08 | Or- | not really |
| 17:28.13 | Or- | I was there last year |
| 17:29.00 | Or- | utah's great |
| 17:33.17 | RyanE | so is #utah. |
| 17:33.54 | Or- | where are you from RyanE? |
| 17:33.59 | RyanE | here. |
| 17:34.41 | Or- | in utah? |
| 17:34.52 | RyanE | yep. |
| 17:35.42 | Or- | where in utah? |
| 17:36.46 | RyanE | like most everyone, I live and work on the Wasatch Front. |
| 17:37.29 | Or- | ah |
| 17:41.54 | Or- | not far from our place there |
| 17:42.11 | neybar | what isn't far from your place? |
| 17:42.26 | elg | RyanE |
| 17:42.37 | elg | he has him under surveillance |
| 17:42.37 | neybar | he's for sale? |
| 17:42.49 | Or- | ? |
| 17:42.51 | elg | more like a gun for hire |
| 17:42.51 | Or- | i told u |
| 17:42.57 | Or- | we got a ranch over there |
| 17:42.59 | Or- | jesus |
| 17:43.05 | Or- | its about 40 minutes off wasatch front |
| 17:43.21 | neybar | what isn't 40 minutes off the wasatch? |
| 17:43.25 | Or- | 20 minutes from other ski lifts of park city |
| 17:43.30 | tensai | for certain definitions of "wasatch front" |
| 17:43.36 | tensai | neybar: things that are 41 minutes off |
| 17:43.42 | Or- | one of our ranches |
| 17:43.44 | Or- | there |
| 17:43.51 | Or- | I thought we already been through this |
| 17:44.02 | elg | we've been through your ranch? |
| 17:44.06 | neybar | yeah, I came in late, I'm confused |
| 17:44.15 | Or- | we talked about it already |
| 17:44.16 | tensai | elg: apparently jesus has been to the ranch |
| 17:44.55 | elg | jesus gonzalez? |
| 17:44.59 | neybar | sweet |
| 17:45.58 | tensai | speaking of sweet, I botched a loaf of cinnamon raisin bread |
| 17:46.14 | Or- | i'll recap, one of our ranches in utah is 2000 acres of land along the provo river, 15 minutes from park city or so |
| 17:46.38 | neybar | tensai: sure, but does your raisin bread own a ranch? |
| 17:46.46 | Or- | it runs from the mountains of the wasatch across the provo river to the hills of the uinta forest |
| 17:46.47 | tensai | I tried to make a swirl by rolling the dough with cinnamon sprinkled inside. the cinnamon/sugar layer make the roll not stick, so I ended up with a large cavern. |
| 17:47.12 | Or- | i just said that its not too far when he said he works in park city |
| 17:47.21 | elg | my pecan pie turned out good, except the crust was a botch |
| 17:47.33 | Or- | i can boil the best egg |
| 17:47.40 | elg | either i copied the recipe wrong or i'm completely stumped |
| 17:47.58 | elg | it was supposed to be dry and you add 2.5 T water then up to 1T more as needed |
| 17:48.02 | Or- | can u boil an egg? ;) |
| 17:48.06 | elg | but it was too wet before I added any water |
| 17:48.27 | elg | my butter wouldn't be overwet would it? maybe the butter got to warm and melted? i don't know. mystery |
| 17:48.52 | harleypig | welcome to the United Socialist States of America |
| 17:48.57 | neybar | elg: have you tried making doughnuts? |
| 17:49.00 | tensai | I doubt the butter varied much, unless you churned your own |
| 17:49.10 | elg | yeah, we did sourdough spudnuts on halloween |
| 17:49.12 | elg | yum |
| 17:49.15 | Or- | i bet nobody here can boil an egg just the right way |
| 17:49.19 | elg | no, didn't churn my own |
| 17:49.28 | Or- | The village idiot could boil a chicken's egg until it's hard, but do you know how to cook one properly. There is quite a difference, you know. |
| 17:49.35 | neybar | we tried some glazed doughnuts over halloween also. Man, those were good. |
| 17:49.38 | elg | this is the third pie crust i've failed at. maybe i'm not cut out for pie crust |
| 17:49.53 | elg | it's a halloween tradition we stole from a friend |
| 17:50.02 | Or- | messing up the crust? |
| 17:50.05 | tensai | the tradition is to ruin pie crust? |
| 17:50.13 | elg | no, spudnuts |
| 17:50.28 | Jayce^ | mmmm, spudnuts |
| 17:50.31 | elg | pie anticrust is my own tradition |
| 17:50.50 | Or- | anyways did you ever eat a boiled egg with the white part rubbery, or with an ugly greenish layer all around the yolk? |
| 17:51.38 | elg | harleypig: i'm thinking it's an improvement over the united dictatorship of america |
| 17:51.52 | Or- | omama? |
| 17:52.02 | tensai | elg: my thoughts exactly |
| 17:52.02 | neybar | yo-mama. |
| 17:53.12 | Jayce^ | going from liberal to socialist.. |
| 17:53.32 | Or- | u know |
| 17:53.44 | Or- | this guy will have a greater public stand and acceptance than any other US president |
| 17:53.51 | Or- | i think even more than cliton |
| 17:53.58 | Or- | thats righ C-L-I-T-O-N |
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| 17:54.26 | Or- | i mean in other countries around the world |
| 17:54.33 | unum | I'm with elg I'm more concerned about our form of government then our econmic system |
| 17:54.38 | Or- | couple months ago he gave a speech in germany |
| 17:54.38 | neybar | there are other countries around the world? |
| 17:54.45 | Or- | 250,000 people showed up |
| 17:54.46 | Or- | ok !? |
| 17:54.53 | unum | I'd much rather live in a democratic socialist state then a facsist one |
| 17:54.55 | Or- | 250,000 came to see an american candidate speaking |
| 17:54.57 | Or- | thats crazy |
| 17:55.00 | unum | 64.1 percent turnout rate btw |
| 17:55.16 | Or- | those people dont even vote! |
| 17:55.19 | harleypig | elg: tell me that when they come and take your food storage to "share" with everyone else. |
| 17:55.37 | elg | better my food storage than me |
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| 17:55.47 | unum | harleypig: I'll have already given it away :) |
| 17:55.53 | unum | do unto other as you want done unto you |
| 17:56.13 | Jayce^ | elg, don't think they won't go after that too |
| 17:56.28 | harleypig | unum: that's assuming the other guy won't assume the worst and do it to you first. |
| 17:56.35 | elg | right, i forgot, the socialists are out to get the mormons |
| 17:56.48 | Jayce^ | remember, according to him, the Constitution's greatest failing is it limits what government can do to people |
| 17:56.51 | harleypig | elg: feh ... the socialists are out to get everyone. |
| 17:57.15 | unum | the government already takes my money and gives it my brothers |
| 17:57.35 | unum | so your threats of socialism don't really scare me |
| 17:57.36 | jsmith | Am I my brother's keeper? Nope... the gov't is. |
| 17:57.39 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 17:57.41 | harleypig | unum: so we might as well let them take it all instead then? |
| 17:58.09 | elg | agrees to disagree that the world is about to end |
| 17:58.11 | harleypig | So, what you're saying is then, that you're willing to practice the United Order? as administered by a secular government? |
| 17:58.13 | unum | harleypig: well if they give me decent health insuarance.... |
| 17:58.18 | unum | i can't actually start my own company under the current system |
| 17:58.26 | elg | unless of course it actually is about to end, in which case i don't think socialists are our major problem |
| 17:58.38 | harleypig | unum: Say what? Starting an LLC costs less $100 |
| 17:58.45 | Jayce^ | jsmith, zacktly.. Reid is a prime example of not understanding that.. |
| 17:58.48 | unum | harleypig: no, but i am willing to see certain existing programs strengthend |
| 17:58.50 | Jayce^ | keeps his free will |
| 17:59.03 | unum | harleypig: but I couldn't afford to go to the hospital |
| 17:59.11 | harleypig | unum: You gotta take the good with the bad ... with Obama its more bad than good. |
| 17:59.24 | jsmith | Jayce^: I was only adding fuel to the fire... It wasn't meant to be a serious comment |
| 17:59.26 | unum | harleypig: I disagree |
| 17:59.40 | harleypig | unum: Really? I hadn't noticed. |
| 17:59.43 | jsmith | has long since given up on making serious comments regarding religion and/or politics in #utah |
| 17:59.48 | Jayce^ | and government has done so well is socializing other programs, like mortgages, banking, etc.. |
| 17:59.49 | unum | bush was more bad then good |
| 17:59.54 | unum | obama will be more good then bad |
| 18:00.00 | harleypig | feh |
| 18:00.10 | Jayce^ | jsmith, I picked on it since Reid recently had quotes about that regarding Utah LDS.. |
| 18:00.17 | jsmith | unum: Well, we can all *hope* he is. But there's no way to know what his legacy will be until he actually gets into office |
| 18:00.25 | unum | jsmith: true |
| 18:00.25 | Jayce^ | unum, I can't come close to agreeing with that |
| 18:00.51 | unum | I think you guys misunderstand a lot of what obama is going to do |
| 18:00.57 | jsmith | unum: Neither you nor I can predict the future, no matter how much we like (or dislike) a particular person |
| 18:01.00 | Jayce^ | unum, bush started out with a narrow win, and set off on a campaign of appeasement, passing most every bill that gore had originally wanted, and yet he was hated for it |
| 18:01.00 | harleypig | I think you do. |
| 18:01.14 | unum | harleypig: that could be true |
| 18:01.30 | Jayce^ | unum, oh, I understand it, and I dislike it... I think it goes against most things I believe in.. |
| 18:01.30 | elg | i think bush earned his hate in more independent ways |
| 18:01.40 | unum | admittely I've never looked at his history of voting |
| 18:01.44 | jsmith | remembers to sign back up for the PLUG list, now that the election is over |
| 18:01.47 | unum | I've mostly paid attention to what he said in debates |
| 18:02.03 | harleypig | Oh ... so pretty words was all it took to convince you? |
| 18:02.04 | fozzmoo | STOP! |
| 18:02.04 | unum | elg: you mean like starting a war for no reason? |
| 18:02.06 | fozzmoo | It's over! |
| 18:02.16 | Jayce^ | unum, and how about the stuff outside, especially things that completely contradicted his own statements. |
| 18:02.17 | unum | harleypig: what should I be looking at |
| 18:02.17 | RyanE | by definition, what is said in the debates is what people want to hear, regardless of intentions. |
| 18:02.25 | elg | fozzmoo++ |
| 18:02.25 | fozzmoo | We're supposed to be fighting over programming languages, editors, and Linux distributions now! |
| 18:02.30 | harleypig | unum: I was being inflammatory |
| 18:02.36 | elg | how about diebold violating gpl? http://lwn.net/Articles/305991/rss |
| 18:02.42 | RyanE | harleypig: they have creams for that now. :) |
| 18:02.53 | Heartsbane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.54 | harleypig | RyanE: yeah, but they don't lube very well. |
| 18:02.55 | unum | I sure hope we can get that diebold mess fixed now |
| 18:03.01 | Jayce^ | RyanE, he'd need the costco sized tube |
| 18:03.05 | harleypig | unum: now that obama has won? |
| 18:03.11 | unum | harleypig: ya |
| 18:03.11 | RyanE | harleypig: you'll need extra lube power come January. :) |
| 18:03.22 | Jayce^ | unum, BWAHAHAHAHAA as if... |
| 18:03.24 | harleypig | RyanE: not enough lube for that. |
| 18:03.24 | unum | felton might get a cabinet position |
| 18:03.29 | RyanE | heh |
| 18:04.22 | harleypig | PERL! PERL! PERL UBER ALLES! |
| 18:04.23 | fozzmoo | Okay, if we're gonna talk about this... I strongly recommend people read about FDR's cabinet and his administration from 1932-1940, since it looks very likely we're about to repeat it. |
| 18:04.38 | *** join/#utah Or- (n=or@85-250-57-65.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 18:04.48 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, and WIlson's... |
| 18:05.05 | RyanE | assigned reading? I was told there was no academic requirement for #utah. Is this going to be on the test? |
| 18:05.08 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: I don't want to be a fearmonger. ;-) |
| 18:05.45 | fozzmoo | But, yeah, Obama's civilian security corps sounds very reminiscent of the Wilson administration. |
| 18:05.49 | harleypig | fozzmoo: no need ... the democrats have the wool firmly pulled over their own heads, and the republicans are already scared. |
| 18:05.52 | Jayce^ | hey, they want a 'federal reserve' system in control of a new national military :) |
| 18:06.00 | fozzmoo | Wilson: American's first fascist. |
| 18:06.30 | Or- | there are no real academic standards anywhere left |
| 18:06.39 | Or- | every year they are lowering the passing grades! |
| 18:06.44 | harleypig | Or-: not n the public school system |
| 18:06.47 | Or- | thats what they do in a lot of schools now |
| 18:06.55 | Or- | they lower the passing grades so more kids can pass |
| 18:06.56 | harleypig | private and home schools (well run ones) have high standards. |
| 18:07.02 | fozzmoo | Or-: Kind of like giving a trophy to every kid that participates in a sport. |
| 18:08.09 | harleypig | Or-: feh ... they just pass the kid along anyway. |
| 18:08.09 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, you wouldnt' want to hurt there feelings |
| 18:08.09 | Or- | the school looks good, everyones happy, the IQ of the country slips another 2 or 3 points, and pretty soon all you'll need to get into college is a fucking pencil |
| 18:08.09 | Or- | got a pencil? |
| 18:08.09 | Or- | get the fuck in there, its nuclear physics. |
| 18:08.09 | Jayce^ | ~language Or- |
| 18:08.10 | ibot | ACTION grabs Or- by the ear and washes Or-'s mouth out with soap |
| 18:08.10 | harleypig | My mom retired a couple of years ago from teaching ... the last 10 years she wasn't allowed to fail anyone. |
| 18:08.10 | fozzmoo | Or-: This is #utah. |
| 18:08.10 | harleypig | Or-: we're a bunch of uptight mormons :> |
| 18:08.10 | tensai | gives Jayce^ a trophy for misspelling "their" |
| 18:08.10 | Or- | sorry |
| 18:08.10 | Or- | anyways can u ignore the f words |
| 18:08.10 | Jayce^ | tensai, thanks, on little sleep :) |
| 18:08.18 | RyanE | in here, we'd prefer *you* drop the f words. |
| 18:08.28 | Or- | I'm just pointing out why everyone wonders why 17 more countries graduate more scientists than USA |
| 18:08.38 | harleypig | we know why |
| 18:08.43 | Heartsbane | Drop them where? |
| 18:08.49 | RyanE | 'cause Johnny can't read. |
| 18:08.53 | harleypig | And under Obama it'll just get worse. |
| 18:08.55 | Jayce^ | Or-, we know the reason, but we keep increasing the problems |
| 18:09.00 | Or- | "EDUCATION"..politiciations know that word , they US it on you.. |
| 18:09.03 | harleypig | Of course, it'd get worse under McCain too, but that's beside the point. |
| 18:09.04 | Jayce^ | all the in the name of 'fairness' |
| 18:09.06 | Jayce^ | and unions |
| 18:09.11 | Or- | politicians have traditionally hid behind 3 things - the flag, the bible, and children! |
| 18:09.17 | fozzmoo | Or-: Because it's more important to look good and be popular than know anything about science and/or math. |
| 18:09.20 | Or- | 'no child left behind' you know? |
| 18:09.22 | Jayce^ | harleypig, at least mccain was for vouchers and charters |
| 18:09.41 | harleypig | yeah, but that would have done nothing for the public school system. |
| 18:09.49 | unum | obama is for charters |
| 18:09.51 | Jayce^ | my 2nd grade son two days ago had to hear from his teacher about how obama was going to help make his school *better*... |
| 18:09.54 | Or- | oh really ? it wasnt long ago they were talking about 'giving kids a head start'.. Head start...left behind? Someone's losing ground here |
| 18:10.04 | unum | vouchers are evil. if you take my money for education I get a say in how it is spent |
| 18:10.05 | *** part/#utah whiteinge (n=whiteing@oalug/member/whiteinge) |
| 18:10.12 | fozzmoo | is glad Utah's public school system does better than most. |
| 18:10.24 | Or- | there's a reason. there's a reason for this, there's a reason education sucks, and it's the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed |
| 18:10.28 | harleypig | unum: you don't understand vouchers do you? |
| 18:10.28 | fozzmoo | unum: you've got a weird definition of evil. |
| 18:10.37 | Or- | its never going to get any better, dont look for it, be happy with what you've got... |
| 18:10.44 | Or- | because the owners of this country dont want education |
| 18:10.44 | Jayce^ | unum, that's why vouchers are good, you're taking my money for education, I want a say in how it's spent |
| 18:10.47 | fozzmoo | vouchers don't kill people or rob them of their rights. |
| 18:10.55 | Or- | I'm talking about the real owners now...the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. |
| 18:11.01 | Or- | forget politcians..they're irrelevant |
| 18:11.06 | unum | harleypig: the government takes my money and gives it to someone else to educate their kids in some messed up private religious school |
| 18:11.13 | Jayce^ | Or-, just look on the bright side, our new president feels that you are an invader in your own country |
| 18:11.16 | RyanE | Or-: is this rant going anywhere, or should I get off the bus now? |
| 18:11.20 | harleypig | Or-: You mean the international business? |
| 18:11.30 | Jayce^ | unum, so I have no choice in how I want to educate my child? |
| 18:11.31 | fozzmoo | The big problem with our education system is that the oversight is so far away from the local level. |
| 18:11.34 | Or- | politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. you dont. you have no choice. you have owners. |
| 18:11.35 | harleypig | unum: You really need to read up on the concept of vouchers. |
| 18:11.37 | Or- | they own you. |
| 18:11.40 | Or- | they own everything. |
| 18:11.44 | jshipley | Or: from your head start/left behind comment, I would guess that you've been listening to George Carlin |
| 18:11.52 | fozzmoo | I have no problem with the idea of public education... as long as it's run in partnership with parents. |
| 18:11.53 | unum | Jayce^: sure you do, your mistake is think that taxes are taken from you to educate your child |
| 18:11.58 | Jayce^ | unum, I feel the government takes my money and spends in some messed up public education |
| 18:12.07 | neybar | hides from the big scary guberment |
| 18:12.09 | Or- | all the important land, own and control the corporations, they've long since bough and paid for the senate, congress, the state houses, city halls... |
| 18:12.11 | unum | Jayce^: then elect new school board people |
| 18:12.14 | RyanE | I'm beginning to think that Or- is a bot with 2000 acres of land on the Provo river. :) |
| 18:12.16 | Or- | they've got all the judges in their back pocket |
| 18:12.22 | fozzmoo | RyanE++ |
| 18:12.32 | Jayce^ | unum, even when I do, they are still required to bow before the union and the Fed programs |
| 18:12.35 | Or- | hey own all the big media companies so they control..just about ALLL of the news and info you get to hear |
| 18:12.47 | Or- | they've got you by the B**** |
| 18:12.50 | unum | the fed programs do cause problems |
| 18:12.52 | RyanE | SpewBot2000!!! Woo! |
| 18:12.56 | Jayce^ | and the local charters are all full, unions try to prevent them from going anywhere |
| 18:13.03 | unum | stupid republicans, and increasing those |
| 18:13.03 | Or- | They spend billions of dollars every year, lobbying to get what they want! Well, we know what they want, they want more for themselves and less for everybody else |
| 18:13.04 | neybar | go! bot! go! |
| 18:13.07 | unum | I hate them for that |
| 18:13.08 | harleypig | unum: It doesn't matter which administrators are elected ... the federal government requires certain things be done. |
| 18:13.12 | fozzmoo | I don't know anyone who has a kid in a charter school and hates it. |
| 18:13.19 | Jayce^ | unum, and dems, they *love* big education |
| 18:13.33 | harleypig | unum: Most of the bs programs for the school system were pushed by democrats. |
| 18:13.35 | jshipley | Anybody read "Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman" |
| 18:13.43 | unum | Jayce^: bush increased the federal roll in education far more than any one else |
| 18:13.45 | Or- | I'll tell you what they DON'T want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking, they don't want well informed, well educated people, they're not interested in that! |
| 18:13.53 | unum | harleypig: which programs? |
| 18:13.54 | Or- | that's against their interests |
| 18:13.57 | neybar | the answer isn't public, private or even charter schools. If you as a parent aren't invested in the childs education it doesn't really matter where you send them. |
| 18:13.58 | fozzmoo | jshipley: Nope. |
| 18:14.03 | jshipley | I really appreciated his insight into math/science education, and even how school systems select their texts |
| 18:14.05 | Jayce^ | unum, yeah, remember, it was part of his "Moderate Outreach" |
| 18:14.10 | RyanE | neybar: hear hear! |
| 18:14.14 | RyanE | or is it here! here! |
| 18:14.20 | Or- | hey don't want people who are smart enough to sit round the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting f****d by a system that threw them overboard 30 years ag |
| 18:14.27 | unum | Jayce^: no I didn't pay as much attention to federal programs when I was 12 |
| 18:14.28 | Or- | you know what they want? OBEDIENT WORKERS |
| 18:14.33 | RyanE | heere! heere! Dang my public education has failed me! |
| 18:14.48 | harleypig | neybar: very true, but it doesn't matter how involved you are if your child is forced to not use critical thinking skills. |
| 18:14.57 | Or- | they want people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs, with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the moment you go to collect it |
| 18:15.02 | Jayce^ | unum, most people around our age don't, which is why they are such idiots when it comes to politics and how they view current parties.. |
| 18:15.11 | Or- | nd now they're coming for your SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY |
| 18:15.19 | Or- | they want your retirement money!! |
| 18:15.23 | Or- | they want it back! |
| 18:15.25 | harleypig | Or- == troll? |
| 18:15.25 | RyanE | So, someone needs to fess up, who is running the Or- bot? |
| 18:15.29 | Jayce^ | I wasn't old enough to vote during the bush I and clinton era (at first), but I sure paid attention and got opinions |
| 18:15.32 | Or- | so they can give it to their criminal friends on wall street! |
| 18:15.33 | unum | Jayce^: and they know even less of earlier history which is why they do dumb things like vote libertarian |
| 18:15.37 | jshipley | Basically, it seems that text books are chosen by a committee that doesn't even really read the texts, and most of the texts don't do a very good job of teaching math/science in a way that is accurate or useful |
| 18:15.45 | Or- | and they'll get it..they'll get it ALL from you sooner or later..because they own this place |
| 18:15.53 | Or- | its a BIG CLUB. and YOU AINT IN IT! |
| 18:15.57 | unum | jshipley: have you read "lies my teacher told me" |
| 18:16.01 | unum | really good book |
| 18:16.10 | unum | about how texas decides everyone will learn history wrong |
| 18:16.10 | jshipley | unum: no, but it sounds really good |
| 18:16.17 | Or- | by the way, it's the same big club they beat you over the head with their media with all day long when they tell you what to believe, what to think and what to buy |
| 18:16.19 | unum | it actually creates conservatives |
| 18:16.22 | Or- | the table is titled folks |
| 18:16.25 | Or- | the game is rigged! |
| 18:16.31 | Or- | tilted* |
| 18:16.49 | fozzmoo | Or-: While you're annoying me, I'm impressed with your typing speed. |
| 18:16.51 | Or- | and nobody seems to notice...nobody seems to care |
| 18:17.18 | neybar | lol |
| 18:17.19 | RyanE | I titled my table. We call him 'Senor Table' (with the squiggly spanish thingie). |
| 18:17.22 | Or- | good honest hard working people like you all - most people here in utah are people of mdoest means - all continue to elect these rich criminal that dont care about you |
| 18:17.27 | fozzmoo | RyanE++ |
| 18:17.31 | Sargun_Screen | oh, this is fscking great.. fire alarm. |
| 18:17.34 | Or- | tthey dont care about you! at all..at all |
| 18:17.39 | fozzmoo | ~burn Sargun_Screen |
| 18:17.40 | ibot | ACTION pours gasoline all over Sargun_Screen, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:17.49 | jshipley | I think that a lot of people inside and outside of the education system realize that it could be greatly improved, but they either don't know how or get a lot of resistance when they try |
| 18:17.51 | RyanE | I think Or- is really SUPERDELL! He's just mad he lost! SUPERDELL-BOT-2000+++ |
| 18:18.03 | neybar | Sargun_Screen: at least it isn't snowing outside... oh wait. |
| 18:18.10 | Or- | supewhat? |
| 18:18.23 | jshipley | I tried reading some stuff from superdell... I just couldn't take him seriously at all |
| 18:18.24 | RyanE | Or-: you must not be from utah... :) |
| 18:18.32 | *** kick/#utah [Or-!n=jayce@office.bluehost.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
| 18:18.35 | *** join/#utah Or- (n=or@85-250-57-65.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 18:18.43 | Or- | What was that for? |
| 18:18.44 | Jayce^ | ok, that got old.. that was the warning |
| 18:18.46 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:18.51 | Jayce^ | for 20 pms |
| 18:18.51 | RyanE | Yeah, that'll show him. Anyone who doesn't know SUPERDELL needs kicking. :) |
| 18:18.53 | fozzmoo | jshipley: Did you read how he flew in the trees and then snapped his neck falling to the ground? |
| 18:19.05 | fozzmoo | Yeah, that was cool. |
| 18:19.22 | neybar | fozzmoo: what? |
| 18:19.22 | Or- | Jayce^ stop abusing your authority |
| 18:19.23 | Or- | rights |
| 18:19.24 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, PPGA groups won't come to UT because of him |
| 18:19.33 | Sargun_Screen | jshipley: he's a pretty funny guy |
| 18:19.37 | RyanE | PPGA? |
| 18:19.45 | Jayce^ | power paragliding.. |
| 18:20.00 | Or- | wow |
| 18:20.02 | Jayce^ | my FIL does it down in CA, they specifically won't fly with people who superdell has trained |
| 18:20.04 | Or- | paraglidings awesome |
| 18:20.05 | fozzmoo | Planned Parenthood of Georgia |
| 18:20.05 | RyanE | Google tells me Planned Parenthood of Georgia. They'd also probably avoid SUPERDELL. |
| 18:20.08 | Or- | whats power paragliding? |
| 18:20.21 | Jayce^ | paragliding, but with a motor/fan on your back |
| 18:20.27 | Or- | oh |
| 18:20.29 | Or- | its powered up |
| 18:20.36 | jshipley | If I met him, I would probably find him funny... I just didn't have any desire to vote for him |
| 18:20.42 | Or- | you got one thos emachines? |
| 18:21.37 | Or- | you need to get a license for one those? |
| 18:22.00 | fozzmoo | No. don't fly next to the freeway and you're fine. |
| 18:22.10 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, which of course, superdell does :) |
| 18:22.14 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 18:22.19 | Or- | how much do they cost a piece? |
| 18:22.33 | RyanE | I swear I saw him flying by the Thanksgiving Point / Alpine exit before his brou-ha-ha. |
| 18:22.57 | RyanE | South of Cabelas, east of freeway, north of SR92. like an idiot. |
| 18:23.23 | fozzmoo | Was he yelling, "This is TOTALLY AWESOME!"? |
| 18:23.30 | RyanE | probably |
| 18:23.32 | *** part/#utah Or- (n=or@85-250-57-65.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 18:23.37 | Jayce^ | RyanE, yeah, he and a few friends are the only PPGAers in UT because of what he's done.. regular paragliders won't associate.. |
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| 18:24.18 | goozbach | so Or- whatcha doin in Italy? |
| 18:24.30 | sjansen | o/~ Blame Huckabee! Blame Huckabee! ~/o (to the music of Blame Canada) |
| 18:24.54 | Jayce^ | my FIL brought his stuff up one year, and had to go pick up a part, the stores won't even talk to you if you want power equipment |
| 18:24.59 | Jayce^ | goozbach, that's Israel |
| 18:25.08 | goozbach | .il |
| 18:25.11 | goozbach | oop |
| 18:25.14 | goozbach | read that as .it |
| 18:25.33 | goozbach | question stands: s/Italy/Isreal/ |
| 18:25.43 | goozbach | stupid font |
| 18:25.54 | unum | if it wasn't for huckabee would have a president who supports universal health care, reducing pollution, and government education for all!!!! |
| 18:25.59 | unum | oh wait.... |
| 18:26.08 | unum | man I really liked governor romney |
| 18:26.33 | Sargun_Screen | why didn't the mormon church buy romney the presidency? |
| 18:26.53 | unum | Sargun_Screen: they can't support canidates only issues |
| 18:26.59 | unum | otherwise they get in trouble |
| 18:27.27 | Sargun_Screen | so? they could just buy themselves out of trouble... |
| 18:27.56 | unum | of course if you win the presidency you can parden all of your partners in crime |
| 18:27.59 | Sargun_Screen | hire blackwater to deal with it.. |
| 18:28.04 | Sargun_Screen | yeah. |
| 18:28.13 | unum | of course it was actually members that spent all the money in california |
| 18:28.21 | unum | and they gave a lot to romney as well, and he still lost |
| 18:28.25 | Or- | .il is for israel |
| 18:28.27 | Or- | goozbach |
| 18:28.30 | RyanE | Sargun_Screen: "Politics do not work that way!" -- Morbo |
| 18:28.30 | unum | he couldn't get over the whole fact that he's mormon |
| 18:28.37 | unum | and repubilcans hate mormon |
| 18:28.38 | unum | s |
| 18:28.44 | Sargun_Screen | yeah, they spent almost half-a-billion dollars here.. |
| 18:28.48 | unum | just ask their vice presidential nominee |
| 18:28.55 | Or- | Sargun_Screen thats nothing |
| 18:29.04 | Or- | soudns like lot of money |
| 18:29.16 | Or- | truth is they crashed a 1.5 billion dollar jet few months ago |
| 18:29.17 | Or- | up in smoke |
| 18:29.24 | Sargun_Screen | o.O |
| 18:29.41 | Sargun_Screen | half abillion is a lot for just one person... |
| 18:29.41 | Or- | you have to take these figures in perspective |
| 18:29.52 | Sargun_Screen | er, one organization |
| 18:30.16 | Sargun_Screen | I mean, they had over 50% of contributions to prop 8 |
| 18:30.56 | Or- | Sargun_Screen http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/15905512.html |
| 18:31.06 | Or- | just last feb |
| 18:31.15 | Or- | just like that there goes 1.2 billion dollar |
| 18:31.30 | Or- | btw they've got about 20 only of these jets already |
| 18:31.52 | Or- | i wonder what happend to the pilot |
| 18:31.57 | tensai | my 6yo son yesterday told me he decided not to vote for obama |
| 18:32.05 | Or- | lol |
| 18:32.07 | Sargun_Screen | so its true, the mormons really are the mafia |
| 18:32.15 | tensai | apparently a kid at school told him obama would outlaw guns |
| 18:32.17 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: why? |
| 18:32.31 | Sargun_Screen | yeah-- he'll try, but fail. |
| 18:32.37 | Or- | i wonder where he picked that up from tensai |
| 18:32.49 | tensai | it's only true if you listen to the nra, but otherwise has been widely debunked |
| 18:33.02 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: but he'll wrap another restrictive thread around it and we'll be that much closer to only outlaws having gones |
| 18:33.03 | Or- | noway its gonna happen |
| 18:33.14 | Or- | the people at the nra who say that are jost lobbying |
| 18:33.22 | Or- | just |
| 18:33.45 | Or- | do you own any guns urself? |
| 18:33.58 | jshipley | We have a constitutional right to bear arms, Obama isn't going to able to take that away. |
| 18:34.07 | jshipley | *to be able to |
| 18:34.23 | harleypig | jshipley: unless the definition is redefined. |
| 18:34.28 | RyanE | He'll just expand the definition of what constitutes an 'Assault Rifle'... |
| 18:34.35 | jshipley | Unfortunately, that right doesn't have a strong definition of arms |
| 18:34.39 | harleypig | yeah, what he said. |
| 18:34.47 | RyanE | harleypig: or vice-versa. |
| 18:35.08 | Or- | right now u can just own semi auto stuff right? |
| 18:35.10 | harleypig | I don't want bear arms! |
| 18:35.21 | Or- | u know whats worse? |
| 18:35.22 | RyanE | harleypig: you already *have* bear arms. |
| 18:35.26 | Or- | an armed bear |
| 18:35.38 | harleypig | RyanE: oh ... right ... :] |
| 18:36.19 | neybar | I need me some bear arms too. |
| 18:36.32 | Or- | do you own any guns or what? |
| 18:36.40 | RyanE | What, mostly. |
| 18:36.50 | jshipley | Banning assault rifles would make sense if the purpose of the right was so that we could hunt... but it's not, it's for defense |
| 18:36.53 | Or- | in israel its illegal |
| 18:37.03 | neybar | RyanE++ |
| 18:37.19 | Or- | jshipley u wanna own like an M4? |
| 18:37.23 | Or- | legally? |
| 18:37.43 | unum | I actually disagree with the supreme courts recent decision(even though obama said he agrees with them) |
| 18:37.49 | harleypig | I want a .50 cal pistol |
| 18:38.00 | Or- | u cant have them |
| 18:38.02 | RyanE | yeah, but you have Bear Arms, and can handle it. |
| 18:38.03 | Or- | next |
| 18:38.09 | Or- | u want m4's? |
| 18:38.09 | harleypig | Or-: I can't afford it. |
| 18:38.30 | Or- | ops |
| 18:38.34 | Or- | i meant to say "you can have them" |
| 18:38.44 | unum | the ammendment states, A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State |
| 18:38.53 | Or- | u seriously want people to have M4s and m16's laying around everywherE? |
| 18:38.56 | sjansen | No, the right to bare arms is related to a "well regulated militia". Are you a member of a "well regulated militia"? Is your assault rifle actually going to make any difference against a modern government? |
| 18:39.04 | harleypig | RyanE: Then I could put a 30 round drum in it, instead of the small 5 chamber. :> |
| 18:39.04 | unum | darn there I go appealing to the founding fathers |
| 18:39.09 | unum | I hate it when others do that... |
| 18:39.16 | Or- | hmmm |
| 18:39.20 | harleypig | Or-: Sure ... be a lot less crime |
| 18:39.27 | Or- | less crime? |
| 18:39.29 | harleypig | A lot less cost for the judicial system as well. |
| 18:39.31 | unum | I believe the states should have retained control of the army reserve |
| 18:39.39 | jshipley | let's put it this way... if there was some sort of a land invasion and you were somehow in the middle of it, would you want to have an m4, or a hunting rifle? |
| 18:39.40 | Or- | do u get a lot of crime over there? |
| 18:39.45 | unum | and that our rights to bears should be related to that |
| 18:39.45 | neybar | harleypig: the prisons would be smaller too... |
| 18:39.49 | harleypig | Or-: sure ... the fear of being shot dead by your victim would reduce that. |
| 18:39.58 | Or- | how big is that fear right now? |
| 18:40.00 | Or- | from 1-10? |
| 18:40.18 | RyanE | more here, than there. |
| 18:40.25 | Or- | come on |
| 18:40.30 | Or- | get real, seriously from 1-10 |
| 18:40.40 | Or- | how big is the fear of beig shot dead ? |
| 18:40.41 | sjansen | Hunting, sport and protecting personal property are reasonable arguments for owning a gun. But I wouldn't call them constitutional arguments. |
| 18:40.54 | Jayce^ | unum, of course they should have retained control of their armies/guard, thank FDR and the New Deal for that |
| 18:40.55 | harleypig | Or-: Fear of crime here is from two things--the perp doing things to you; and the government for defending yourself from the perp. |
| 18:41.00 | unum | sjansen: agreed |
| 18:41.27 | Or- | harleypig when was the last time somebody broke into your property and it ended up in a physical assault? |
| 18:41.28 | harleypig | Or-: I said it would *help* reduce crime if guns were just lying around. |
| 18:41.49 | jshipley | "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
| 18:41.53 | Jayce^ | sjansen, 'shall not be infringed'. pretty basic.. and remember, what makes up a militia.. normal state citizens with their own equipjent |
| 18:42.10 | sjansen | Best case scenario, here's all that you can hope to accomplish with your assualt rifle against the government: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army |
| 18:42.11 | Jayce^ | notice /who's/ right that is, not the militias right, but the People.. |
| 18:42.22 | Jayce^ | the same "We the People" |
| 18:42.26 | Or- | the way I see it here in israel its the cops/military's job |
| 18:42.36 | Or- | thats why i pay taxes |
| 18:42.51 | sjansen | If you want to defend your nation, pay your taxes. |
| 18:43.06 | sjansen | If you want to regulate your government, participate in the political process. |
| 18:43.19 | unum | you know I think I'd actually like to read some of the debates about what the founding fathers did mean by that |
| 18:43.27 | sjansen | If it reaches the point that you need to use your gun against your own government, it's already game over time. You're doomed. |
| 18:43.30 | unum | any one know any resources for that? |
| 18:43.36 | unum | visits wikipedia |
| 18:43.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I'd rather go that way than give in |
| 18:43.46 | Or- | sjansen they want like abalance... |
| 18:43.48 | Jayce^ | it's the American way |
| 18:43.52 | Or- | to be as strong as the army sjansen |
| 18:43.55 | Or- | got that? |
| 18:44.00 | Or- | they wanna like regulat the militayr |
| 18:44.15 | neybar | sjansen: so the founding fathers should never have rebelled then? We should have tried harder to get the king to respect us. |
| 18:44.17 | Or- | or to at least be as strong as they are |
| 18:44.18 | Jayce^ | it's the people's Check after the house of reps fails |
| 18:44.19 | RyanE | http://www.guncite.com/journals/vandhist.html |
| 18:44.25 | sjansen | I think it's pretty clear the founding fathers meant that American citizens should be allowed to own the tools necessary to launch another revolution if necessary. Unfortunately, technology has outpaced the dream. |
| 18:44.25 | brac | [THE HISTORY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT] |
| 18:44.40 | harleypig | Or-: last time someone broke into my living space was more than 20 years ago. It ended in physical confrontation. |
| 18:44.53 | Or- | so what do you guys really want? |
| 18:45.11 | neybar | Or-: mainly to bitch an moan in IRC |
| 18:45.21 | neybar | it's relaxing |
| 18:45.22 | *** join/#utah gillyboat (n=adam@70.89.247.187) |
| 18:45.33 | unum | sjansen: that's kind of my feelings. |
| 18:45.36 | RyanE | neybar++ |
| 18:45.36 | Or- | if you wanna bear arms to be able to rebel at any given moment..obviously m4's wont save you, you'd need way beter rig... for every gun the army has u'd need one, for army soldier the army has youd need at least one.. |
| 18:45.42 | Or- | same with tanks, ships, jets..etc |
| 18:45.43 | harleypig | Or-: I want a blond on one hand and a redhead on the other. |
| 18:45.49 | unum | because I don't think we should allow individuals to own nukes |
| 18:45.53 | Jayce^ | sjansen, don't do anything, they're bigger... you don't matter, just give in.. |
| 18:46.00 | jshipley | I don't know what an m4 would be able to do against a nuclear warhead... |
| 18:46.06 | sjansen | There are basically four positions in the debate, even though it looks like there's only two. |
| 18:46.26 | harleypig | jshipley: if a nuclear warhead is a real concern then you might as well go down taking as many as you can. |
| 18:46.34 | Or- | so youd need equal rig to be able to rebel the army ...the only way that would be possible was if you were as big as they are |
| 18:46.57 | harleypig | Or-: feh ... guerilla warfare is just as effective, more so sometimes. |
| 18:47.02 | jshipley | harleypig: they wouldn't be near enough to take down |
| 18:47.02 | Or- | you want them to start ddistributing f16's, tanks, missiles, warheads, carriers and what not in the entire population? |
| 18:47.16 | RyanE | Or-: staw man argument. |
| 18:47.17 | harleypig | Or-: That would be cool! |
| 18:47.18 | Jayce^ | harleypig, Yamato's biggest argument against invading the US mainland |
| 18:47.20 | jshipley | I'd love an f16 :) |
| 18:47.29 | unum | harleypig: what exactly is your position on what we should be allowed to own and under what circumstances |
| 18:47.30 | Or- | oh |
| 18:47.41 | Or- | so your only concerned about coolness really :) |
| 18:47.45 | Or- | when you get right down to it |
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| 18:48.00 | harleypig | unum: You want my ideal? or my (what I think is realistic) view? |
| 18:48.00 | Or- | when you get right down to it...you really just wanna blow stuff up |
| 18:48.17 | unum | how about both |
| 18:48.22 | harleypig | Or-: no ... but your statement was so over the top it didn't really deserve a serious answer. |
| 18:48.23 | RyanE | Or-: no, but blowing stuff up *is* cool. |
| 18:49.14 | sjansen | Not that I'm arguing against gun ownership, I'm just pointing out that some of the arguments in favor are just as non-nonsensical as the arguments against. |
| 18:49.35 | Or- | harleypig how is it over the top? if you really expect to hold a candle againt the army when revolution is needed you gotta be at least as strong.. dont talk to me about guerilla warfare, I know how effective it is. I'm from israel, but I also know that when our buldozors start pumping there's no stoping them |
| 18:49.38 | harleypig | unum: idealistic-if you can afford it or make it, you should be able to have and use it. The only rule should be "Do no harm to others unless defending your self, family, community or country". |
| 18:49.56 | sjansen | If you're honestly going to argue that you own a gun so that you can stand up to the government, you'd been doing something to meet your obligation to be part of a well regulated militia. |
| 18:50.07 | harleypig | Or-: You do not need to be just as strong. You need to be just as intelligent. |
| 18:50.32 | harleypig | or more so. |
| 18:50.38 | Or- | harleypig, right..but even geniues are made of flesh and can blow up like water balooons |
| 18:51.07 | harleypig | No kidding. |
| 18:51.12 | harleypig | And beside the point. |
| 18:51.20 | Sargun_Screen | you think a militia can defend you against the government? |
| 18:51.35 | sjansen | No. |
| 18:51.41 | Sargun_Screen | or a foreign power? |
| 18:51.48 | Or- | you think you're guerilla tactics are something alien to them? |
| 18:51.50 | sjansen | I think a gun might be able to defend me if the government ceases to exist. |
| 18:51.57 | Or- | they eat this stuff for breakfast |
| 18:51.58 | Or- | for years |
| 18:52.01 | jshipley | There is no reason for another american revolution, and I don't see that changing anytime soon |
| 18:52.15 | sjansen | There's plenty of reason. It's just not possible anymore. |
| 18:52.41 | Sargun_Screen | if the government ceases to exist.. we're screwwed.... for other reasons |
| 18:52.44 | jshipley | What reason is there? |
| 18:52.48 | harleypig | unum: realistic-if you have a history of violence (with the exception of defensive violence); you shouldn't be allowed tools used *only* for violence. |
| 18:52.59 | Sargun_Screen | there will always be someone with a stronger weapon. |
| 18:52.59 | jshipley | If we did replace the government, do you really think that we would end up with a better one? |
| 18:53.04 | neybar | Or-: it is unrealistic to think that the "army" is going to be used in any sort of revolution. If it ever go to that, then I think the army would degrade down to individual units depending on what side they individually are on. |
| 18:53.07 | Or- | anywyas |
| 18:53.07 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: we wouldn't be screwed, but we'd certainly be messed up. |
| 18:53.14 | Or- | harleypig are you trained in urban warefare? |
| 18:53.20 | jshipley | I'm not saying that there are no problems with what we have, but what we have could be a lot worse |
| 18:53.21 | Or- | survival? |
| 18:53.23 | Or- | evasion tactics? |
| 18:53.33 | Jayce^ | neybar, very much so, most units that are 'combined' would have blue helmets at that point |
| 18:53.37 | harleypig | Or-: ? What's that got to do with this discussion? |
| 18:53.43 | Or- | i'm just asking |
| 18:53.47 | Or- | are you or are you not? |
| 18:53.56 | harleypig | Or-: Nope. |
| 18:54.00 | harleypig | Wouldn't matter anyway ... |
| 18:54.05 | Or- | even been out alone in the wilderness? |
| 18:54.06 | harleypig | I'm a leeroy jenkins type person. |
| 18:54.08 | Jayce^ | Or-, if you ever saw harley.. |
| 18:54.11 | Or- | ever* |
| 18:54.19 | harleypig | Or-: sure. |
| 18:54.25 | Jayce^ | Or-, those are more questions you'd ask the wacko's like me |
| 18:54.31 | harleypig | I haven't been in years, but I've had wilderness survival training. |
| 18:54.40 | sjansen | Biggest reason? The continuing decline in civil liberties. Growing power of corporation and special interests. Willingness of today's politicians to steal from tomorrow's citizens. |
| 18:54.40 | Or- | really? |
| 18:54.41 | jshipley | Of course, if you believe my brother in law, Obama is basically going to get rid of the army and invite his terrorist friends to come take over |
| 18:54.51 | Or- | what kind of training? |
| 18:55.02 | Or- | were you in the military? |
| 18:55.03 | RyanE | Or-: how old are you, and have you ever gone by 'mheath'? :) |
| 18:55.12 | neybar | RyanE++ |
| 18:55.19 | Or- | no, i'm 26 |
| 18:55.21 | Jayce^ | nice one RyanE |
| 18:55.22 | harleypig | ? survival ... how to eat grubs, which grubs to eat, how to find wild onions and which ones I can eat. |
| 18:55.30 | harleypig | RyanE: good one. |
| 18:55.31 | Jayce^ | Or-, harleypig was a marine |
| 18:55.33 | sjansen | Of course, resolving those problem through violent overthrow will put us back generations. But if we don't do more to get things under control, at some point in the future we'll wish we had made the gamble. |
| 18:55.44 | Or- | marine ah? |
| 18:55.45 | jshipley | sjansen: I'd love to see some reform, but revolution is extreme, unnecessary, and would most likely be much more damaging than it could be helpful |
| 18:55.48 | harleypig | Or-: I was infantry in the Marines. |
| 18:55.51 | Or- | where did u serve? |
| 18:56.11 | harleypig | Pendleton, never got out of AIT. |
| 18:56.24 | Jayce^ | mocks harleypig's knee |
| 18:56.30 | goozbach | installing VMware ESXi |
| 18:56.34 | harleypig | clicks his knee at Jayce^ |
| 18:56.36 | Or- | i'm in the israeli navy |
| 18:56.39 | goozbach | I feel kinda dirty |
| 18:56.45 | Or- | i went to the US few times |
| 18:56.49 | Or- | for training exercises |
| 18:56.50 | harleypig | *blink* Isarelis got a navy? |
| 18:56.57 | Or- | its more like the marines |
| 18:56.58 | Jayce^ | harleypig, oh yeah |
| 18:56.59 | goozbach | Or-: you know krav maga |
| 18:57.01 | goozbach | ? |
| 18:57.05 | Or- | yes |
| 18:57.06 | goozbach | I've wanted to learn that |
| 18:57.16 | Sargun_Screen | that's neat, |
| 18:57.18 | goozbach | cool |
| 18:57.21 | Or- | we go through training course in krav maga |
| 18:57.24 | Or- | in the military |
| 18:57.31 | Or- | but...its also popular outside the military |
| 18:57.35 | goozbach | there's a place here in ATL which teaches Krav Maga |
| 18:57.43 | Or- | i started when I was 7 |
| 18:57.54 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you remember the photoshop wars a few years back, one of their ships launched a missle, and the Lebanese news pasted in like 3 cloned extra shots |
| 18:57.55 | goozbach | it's just a bit too far to make it worth my while. |
| 18:57.58 | Or- | i'm brown belt |
| 18:58.24 | Or- | anyways harleypig its more like the marines |
| 18:58.30 | Or- | we dont have a lot of ship what you'd call a navy |
| 18:58.49 | Or- | our enemies are immediate |
| 18:59.08 | Sargun_Screen | notes down: do not piss off Or- |
| 18:59.12 | Or- | our airforce is plenty to cover the necessary threats |
| 18:59.30 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: more like don't attack |
| 18:59.34 | Or- | we dont need to ship thousands of people over to the other side of the planet like you do :) |
| 18:59.38 | sjansen | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-cusack/no-currency-left-to-buy-t_b_140250.html |
| 18:59.41 | brac | [John Cusack: No Currency Left to Buy the Big Lies] |
| 18:59.47 | goozbach | krav maga isn't really an offensive tool |
| 18:59.59 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yeah, huffpo, there's a winner :) |
| 18:59.59 | goozbach | as far as I understand it |
| 19:00.04 | Or- | its deadly goozbach |
| 19:00.26 | Or- | i started practicing when i was 7 |
| 19:00.32 | Or- | i told you its extremely popular here |
| 19:00.41 | fozzmoo | Michael Crighton is dead. |
| 19:00.54 | goozbach | yes, but not geared to be offensive, right, more of a final defense? |
| 19:01.26 | Or- | thats a way to put it |
| 19:01.26 | Or- | yes |
| 19:01.31 | harleypig | Jayce^: I forgot about the photoshop thingy. |
| 19:02.44 | harleypig | Or-: I didn't think it was so much defensive as just put your target down--permanently--as quickly as possible, whether or not it was offensive or defensive. |
| 19:02.47 | Or- | i was in the us base |
| 19:02.49 | goozbach | where your attacker is assumed to give no quarter |
| 19:02.51 | Or- | in california |
| 19:02.53 | Jayce^ | starts listening to an israeli band to help the conversation |
| 19:02.58 | Or- | we gave some krav maga lessons there |
| 19:03.26 | harleypig | Jayce^: infected mushroom? |
| 19:03.38 | Jayce^ | yup :) |
| 19:03.46 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:03.47 | Or- | harleypig its close combat thats assumes that no quarter is given anymore |
| 19:03.58 | Sargun_Screen | where in ca? |
| 19:04.04 | Or- | in coronado |
| 19:04.13 | harleypig | right ... it's not defensive or offensive. |
| 19:04.15 | Or- | its not far from san diego |
| 19:04.23 | Sargun_Screen | ah.. |
| 19:07.54 | Or- | you'll do just about anything else before you resort to these tactics |
| 19:08.04 | Sargun_Screen | the us would be prime for suicide bombers... |
| 19:08.17 | Or- | like if somebody would point a gun at me and tell me to give him my money |
| 19:08.21 | Or- | i'll try to end it like that |
| 19:08.56 | Or- | give him everything he asks for or whatever and hopes he walks away |
| 19:09.16 | Or- | if he doesnt walk away then i'm left with no choice and i got attempt to disarm him |
| 19:12.09 | harleypig | Or-: see ... I'd do that now ... but when I was younger I would've put him in the hospital, or the morgue. |
| 19:12.47 | Sargun_Screen | but he'd shoot you,,, in the face... |
| 19:12.47 | harleypig | I don't like guns pointed at me ... it pisses me off something fierce. |
| 19:13.07 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: Now he would, which is why I'd give him themoney. |
| 19:13.19 | harleypig | I've been mugged, and I have put muggers in the hospital. |
| 19:13.50 | Sargun_Screen | were your muggers good at mugging you? |
| 19:13.56 | harleypig | Like I said, I'm a leeroy jenkins type. |
| 19:14.02 | Sargun_Screen | did they stay 5-7 feet away |
| 19:14.10 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: *shrug* they didn't succeed. |
| 19:14.11 | Sargun_Screen | make you drop your shit |
| 19:14.15 | Sargun_Screen | etc.. |
| 19:14.26 | tensai | ~language Sargun_Screen |
| 19:14.27 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun_Screen by the ear and washes Sargun_Screen's mouth out with soap |
| 19:14.34 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: some did ... but I didn't kick the stuff hard enough :> |
| 19:14.38 | Sargun_Screen | did they actually try to shoot you? |
| 19:14.59 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: one of them did. |
| 19:15.19 | harleypig | Him I put in the hospital. |
| 19:16.06 | Jayce^ | only had a knife pulled on me.. was a missionary at the time :) |
| 19:16.13 | harleypig | The rest were just *really* surprised that this meek fatty suddenly turned dangerous on them. |
| 19:16.14 | Jayce^ | so obvously not packing then |
| 19:17.31 | Sargun_Screen | I would give the advice to muggers: use a good aerosel pepper spray. |
| 19:17.42 | harleypig | wonders if blessing bullets would be sacrilege ... |
| 19:17.57 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: where good == military grade |
| 19:18.17 | Jayce^ | probably, but coating them in pork grease used to be ok :-D |
| 19:18.27 | harleypig | :D |
| 19:18.31 | dataw0lf | Ah, I took krav maga classes when we trained with the IDF. Good stuff. |
| 19:18.37 | harleypig | But that only works in the middle east. |
| 19:18.43 | Jayce^ | wb dataw0lf been a while |
| 19:18.49 | Sargun_Screen | I've used several kinds and its fairly hard to find a good one |
| 19:19.03 | dataw0lf | what up Jayce^ |
| 19:19.03 | Sargun_Screen | that doesn't come out in an ugly stream |
| 19:19.17 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, want to upgrade your PB gear? :) |
| 19:19.23 | Sargun_Screen | also you need the spray to be oily so it penetrates their skin |
| 19:19.25 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: err ... you *want* a stream ... mist won't have enough effect. |
| 19:19.30 | dataw0lf | Haha. Is it already that time again? |
| 19:19.37 | harleypig | peanut butter gear? |
| 19:19.38 | dataw0lf | email me what you std3rr@gmail.com |
| 19:19.41 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, deposit time for our stuff |
| 19:19.43 | dataw0lf | you have* |
| 19:19.44 | Jayce^ | k |
| 19:19.55 | harleypig | dataw0lf: std3rr ... I like that. |
| 19:20.06 | dataw0lf | stderr was taken, unfortunately. |
| 19:21.17 | dataw0lf | rubs his head |
| 19:21.24 | dataw0lf | cut all my hair off. feel like I'm in the Army again. |
| 19:21.51 | harleypig | The only thing missing is the little fuzzballs from the sweatshirt, right? :> |
| 19:22.25 | dataw0lf | I _was_ a fuzzball there for a while. |
| 19:22.35 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:22.54 | Sargun_Screen | harleypig: I've seen some that have about a 15% spread |
| 19:23.03 | Sargun_Screen | and they are very effective.. |
| 19:23.55 | dataw0lf | you live in Utah. Get a C&C and take some classes. |
| 19:24.23 | dataw0lf | pepper spray isn't nearly as effective as it's made out to be. |
| 19:25.03 | Sargun_Screen | dataw0lf: no, i'm saying if you're a mugger |
| 19:25.22 | dataw0lf | Oh. Who's planning on being a mugger here? |
| 19:26.05 | Jayce^ | Sargun_Screen, apparently |
| 19:26.15 | dataw0lf | and if you're a mugger you may as well get a gun and take some classes too. Why go with pepper spray? You're not doing riot control, you're using the threat of violence to rob someone. |
| 19:26.16 | Sargun_Screen | dataw0lf: pepper spray is effective as a deterant |
| 19:26.33 | Jayce^ | unless they have a gun |
| 19:26.34 | Sargun_Screen | shooting someone is ugly |
| 19:26.41 | RyanE | and good on omlettes. |
| 19:26.45 | dataw0lf | that's why people will give up their money |
| 19:26.52 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: ahhhh, indeed :) |
| 19:27.12 | Jayce^ | never bring a knife to a gunfight.. |
| 19:27.49 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend was carrying pepper spray. I tried to talk her into a gun. We compromised and I got her a leopard print taser. |
| 19:28.02 | dataw0lf | Apparently women like weapons to be fashion accessories, too. |
| 19:28.08 | RyanE | ooh! effective *and* stylish! |
| 19:28.26 | dataw0lf | Yea. I felt like I was in an episode of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or something. |
| 19:28.32 | RyanE | heh |
| 19:28.41 | dataw0lf | long time no see RyanE. |
| 19:28.45 | RyanE | Queer Eye for the self-defense guy. |
| 19:32.09 | Sargun_Screen | ytasers are probably better than guns.. it takes a lot less courage to tase someone than permanently disable 'em |
| 19:32.47 | dataw0lf | shooting someone isn't that hard if you've had training. |
| 19:33.23 | dataw0lf | which anyone with a C&C should've participated in. If you're not willing to shoot someone, you shouldn't carry a gun, regardless. |
| 19:33.32 | Sargun_Screen | I saw some really neat non-lethal equipment |
| 19:34.00 | dataw0lf | Michael Crichton died, I guess. |
| 19:34.02 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, my wife wants a purple slide for her .22 |
| 19:34.09 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: haha. |
| 19:34.14 | dataw0lf | See? fashion accessories. |
| 19:34.20 | Jayce^ | just emailed you some links to images |
| 19:34.23 | dataw0lf | ah nice |
| 19:34.47 | dataw0lf | oh man |
| 19:34.52 | Sargun_Screen | there was a ?'gun' which would shot large pellets with a ruber coasting |
| 19:34.54 | Jayce^ | the marker is in excellent condition, after SPPL and my burn I didn't have too much time to use it |
| 19:35.09 | Jayce^ | Sargun_Screen, yeah, there's been plenty of those |
| 19:35.21 | Jayce^ | riot gear equipment |
| 19:35.45 | dataw0lf | Sargun_Screen: they have grenades that disperse rubber 'bullets' too. |
| 19:35.49 | dataw0lf | those have been around for a while. |
| 19:36.13 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: hmmm, alright, let me check my finances. I should be able to do it though. Let me get back to you Friday. |
| 19:36.15 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, that marker is extremely quiet, hella fast, and light as most anything |
| 19:36.20 | Jayce^ | sounds cool |
| 19:36.30 | dataw0lf | that's a great looking marker |
| 19:36.39 | Jayce^ | if you realloy want to, I can do split payments too, if that'd help |
| 19:36.42 | Jayce^ | since I know you :) |
| 19:36.58 | Jayce^ | it is, the silver has this earthy tone that sets it out from others.. |
| 19:37.25 | dataw0lf | yea I really like the color. |
| 19:37.53 | dataw0lf | hmm split payments. 350 in two payments over two weeks, mebbe? |
| 19:38.00 | dataw0lf | I could definitely do that. |
| 19:39.28 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:39.32 | Jayce^ | I'd be cool with that |
| 19:39.42 | Jayce^ | spread across the paychecks |
| 19:40.07 | dataw0lf | yea. gotta pay rent and a hellacious cable bill on Friday but 350 I could definitely do. You got Wells Fargo? |
| 19:40.20 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 19:40.26 | dataw0lf | paypal, then? |
| 19:43.44 | eggyknap | reads about purple .22s and remembers http://www.glamguns.com/hk47.html |
| 19:43.47 | brac | [GlamGuns.com! Guns for Girls and Glamorous Weaponry!] |
| 19:44.25 | RyanE | oooh... Christmas coming up, you know... :) |
| 19:45.06 | Jayce^ | actually, my wife is trying to decide between a subcompact or a std sized XD :) |
| 19:46.03 | dataw0lf | nice. |
| 19:46.20 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend is too much of a hippie :\ |
| 19:48.11 | Jayce^ | when we got married, my wife was against guns in the house :) |
| 19:48.25 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:48.38 | goozbach | my wife and I went shopping for her gun before we got married |
| 19:48.52 | Jayce^ | goozbach, very nice |
| 19:49.00 | goozbach | of course you know I'm legally obligated to own a gun where I live |
| 19:49.04 | Jayce^ | my wife was fresh out of CA though, so took some work on that side of things |
| 19:49.17 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: my girlfriend looks like an extra from a Woodstock movie |
| 19:49.34 | goozbach | Jayce^: have any paintball games set for the holidays? |
| 19:49.40 | harleypig | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/the_scorpion_a_40mpg_450horsep.php |
| 19:49.41 | brac | [The Scorpion: A 40-MPG, 450-Horsepower Hydrogen-Powered Arachnid -- That Stings - Geekologie] |
| 19:49.41 | Jayce^ | hands dataw0lf some nair and a venus |
| 19:49.49 | goozbach | gonna be in Utars from the 24th till the first |
| 19:49.59 | dataw0lf | hahahaha |
| 19:50.01 | Jayce^ | goozbach, which ones, how long will you be.... |
| 19:50.02 | dataw0lf | Not THAT bad |
| 19:50.17 | Jayce^ | this month, or next? |
| 19:50.19 | dataw0lf | http://truedat.org/media/brooke.jpg |
| 19:50.34 | goozbach | 24th of december to 1st of jan |
| 19:50.49 | Jayce^ | I'm sure we'll have something :) |
| 19:51.20 | harleypig | dataw0lf: ummm ... are you sure you wanna post *that* picture on *this* channel? |
| 19:52.32 | dataw0lf | and why not? |
| 19:52.41 | Jayce^ | harleypig likes to mimic :) |
| 19:52.53 | dataw0lf | Oh NICE. |
| 19:53.02 | dataw0lf | harleypig if you need a side profile pic let me know |
| 19:55.45 | Or- | i'm back |
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| 20:02.29 | brac | ~onjoin findlay Feduntsetoo! |
| 20:02.29 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 20:02.43 | findlay | yay |
| 20:03.19 | harleypig | dataw0lf: :D |
| 20:05.16 | dataw0lf | harleypig: hey if you can come up with something extremely comical, I'll replace one of her pictures in my house with you. |
| 20:09.08 | findlay | ~say -chat onjoin findlay |
| 20:09.09 | ibot | -chat onjoin findlay |
| 20:09.12 | brac | onjoin findlay |
| 20:09.20 | findlay | :( |
| 20:12.14 | harleypig | dataw0lf: comical? or worthy of 'make the bad man stop'? |
| 20:12.42 | dataw0lf | sheesh, both |
| 20:12.48 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:13.00 | harleypig | See how long it takes for her to notice it? |
| 20:13.52 | goozbach | MTBMS is making inroads to dataw0lf's house? |
| 20:14.07 | goozbach | that'd be great |
| 20:16.17 | dataw0lf | harleypig: haha, probably immediately, but I won't let her take it down. |
| 20:22.41 | dataw0lf | http://media.1up.com/media/03/6/4/3/lg/201.jpg |
| 20:22.47 | Sargun_Screen | hi |
| 20:31.00 | findlay | -chat hi |
| 20:31.01 | brac | hi was |
| 20:31.07 | findlay | -chat Sargun_Screen is |
| 20:31.07 | brac | Sargun_Screen is it special code to write something from kernel.org direct than bittorrent. |
| 20:34.22 | Sargun_Screen | o.O |
| 20:34.24 | Sargun_Screen | is afraid. |
| 20:38.29 | harleypig | hmmm ... booting a system via bittorrent ... interesting idea ... |
| 20:39.37 | *** part/#utah Or- (n=or@85-250-57-65.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 20:40.02 | goozbach | harleypig: store your entire machine in the cloud via bittorrent |
| 20:40.11 | goozbach | now that's an idea |
| 20:40.27 | goozbach | setup a couple of seeders in a various datacenters.... |
| 20:41.01 | harleypig | goozbach: wasn't that a Numb3rs episode? |
| 20:41.09 | goozbach | harleypig: maybe |
| 20:41.36 | goozbach | have the cases rigged with thermite over the hard drives if they are opened incorrectly |
| 20:41.57 | goozbach | everything routed through TOR |
| 20:43.27 | Sargun_Screen | heh |
| 20:44.56 | goozbach | have a customized bootable cd which connects to your "machine" |
| 20:45.05 | goozbach | you can boot from where ever |
| 20:45.21 | goozbach | kinda like paranoidlinux in Little Brother |
| 20:45.35 | goozbach | replace the mesh network with tor and the cloud |
| 20:46.52 | Sargun_Screen | Are there any RNGs that take an arbitrary number of seeds; where you cannot determine the seeds except by brute force, in a very expensive methodology? |
| 20:54.46 | fozzmoo | eats some seeds... sunflower seeds |
| 20:54.55 | Sargun_Screen | oh, yeah. |
| 21:01.10 | harleypig | ARGHH! Daylight Savings Time just bit me in the butt. |
| 21:01.52 | tensai | poor poor DST |
| 21:02.06 | harleypig | I hope it dies an agonizing death |
| 21:11.54 | tensai | after biting your butt, yeah I expect it will |
| 21:12.05 | Sargun_Screen | harleypig: how so? |
| 21:13.33 | Tene | Man, my students love this little regex grapher. |
| 21:15.05 | Sargun_Screen | Tene: where? |
| 21:15.23 | Tene | http://pleasedieinafire.net/cgi-bin/regex-graph |
| 21:15.35 | Tene | It's just a tiny bit of perl gluing together some CPAN modules. |
| 21:15.48 | Sargun_Screen | graphviz ftw. |
| 21:15.55 | Tene | yarly |
| 21:16.04 | Tene | It's generated by GraphViz::Regex |
| 21:16.26 | Tene | Apparently it really helps students feel comfortable exploring regexes |
| 21:17.27 | Jayce^ | Tene, I hacked up one of those a few years back when I did the BYU-UUG regex presentation |
| 21:19.16 | Tene | Yeah, I remember. |
| 21:19.27 | Tene | I was at that presentation. :) |
| 21:19.49 | Tene | That's what inspired me to make my own for use in the classroom. |
| 21:19.53 | jshipley | I think I almost have an easier time understand regexes without the graph |
| 21:20.27 | jshipley | some well placed whitespace sure helps a lot with complicated regexes though |
| 21:20.46 | jshipley | Anybody seen this one? (^1?$)|(11+?) |
| 21:20.47 | Jayce^ | Tene, heh, forgot you were there... glad I had an effect :) |
| 21:21.28 | Jayce^ | I also had some magic that parsed out the regex debugger output, was nice to see if you gave it text to match against |
| 21:24.08 | fozzmoo | That's pretty cool. |
| 21:27.11 | harleypig | jshipley: $1 or $2 will be populated, but never both. |
| 21:29.06 | harleypig | Interesting ... why would you look for a '1' or a blank line OR a line that contains multiple 1s? |
| 21:29.32 | harleypig | err .. a line that consists solely of a '1' or a blank line |
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| 21:43.41 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: I was comparing two dates, one incrementing 24 hours, from each other against another hard coded date. |
| 21:44.26 | harleypig | For some reason, this Sunday the app stopped working and went into an infinite loop. |
| 21:44.44 | harleypig | (since I'm doing a while ( $day ne $end ) {} loop ) |
| 21:52.27 | Sargun | I feel really bad for Yahoo. |
| 21:55.00 | harleypig | Why? What'd Yahoo do now? |
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| 21:55.17 | Or- | hi |
| 21:57.30 | tensai | yahoo's deal with google died. I assume that's what's Sargun is referencing. |
| 21:58.33 | harleypig | Oh ... I wasn't even paying attention to that ... i didn't thnk it was gonna happen. |
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| 22:00.21 | fozzmoo | Yahoo's been doomed since they hired Rasmus Lerdorf. ;-) |
| 22:02.29 | Sargun | why do you say that? |
| 22:02.41 | tensai | Michael Crichton died |
| 22:02.49 | harleypig | cause he's got a dorky name? |
| 22:02.50 | fozzmoo | tensai: yeah, I mentioned that earlier. |
| 22:02.55 | harleypig | tensai: when? |
| 22:03.04 | fozzmoo | I guess nobody notices when I mention stuff. |
| 22:03.40 | tensai | harleypig: today. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7711763.stm |
| 22:03.46 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Author Michael Crichton dies, 66] |
| 22:04.47 | harleypig | fozzmoo: You're here! How long have you been here? |
| 22:05.11 | fozzmoo | :-p |
| 22:05.45 | harleypig | :] |
| 22:05.46 | tensai | wonders if they'll save some of his dna and create a Crichton Park |
| 22:06.35 | fozzmoo | tensai: Or if people wonder if he died from some infection from an outer space microbe. |
| 22:06.43 | harleypig | Y'know, part of the reason I have a problem with Obama is, he looks nothing like Morgan Freeman. |
| 22:06.52 | harleypig | Doesn't sound like him either. |
| 22:06.58 | fozzmoo | harleypig: Or that black president guy on 24. |
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| 22:07.06 | harleypig | never watched 24. |
| 22:07.17 | fozzmoo | harleypig: First 4 seasons are worth watching. |
| 22:07.23 | dilvie | hi |
| 22:07.24 | harleypig | :] |
| 22:08.30 | harleypig | lo |
| 22:08.32 | mrpullThePlumber | harleypig: but like I said last night... we are now qualified to have aliens invade |
| 22:08.35 | mrpullThePlumber | or start world war 3 |
| 22:08.46 | mrpullThePlumber | or several other fantastic sci-fi plots |
| 22:09.01 | harleypig | Well, technically, we've always been qualified for that ... now it's just that much easier. |
| 22:09.18 | tensai | harleypig: I don't get the morgan freeman reference |
| 22:09.52 | harleypig | tensai: Deep Impact ... MF played the president. |
| 22:10.06 | Jayce^ | harleypig, or your fascination with that XKCD comic |
| 22:10.29 | harleypig | mmf |
| 22:10.57 | tensai | oh yeah. I saw the end of that a couple times on tv, but never watch the whole thing. |
| 22:11.45 | harleypig | http://xkcd.com/462/ |
| 22:11.46 | brac | [xkcd - A Webcomic - Freemanic Paracusia] |
| 22:12.41 | Jayce^ | I still agree with redbeard2, I like it with Patrick Warburton better |
| 22:12.43 | fozzmoo | And let's not forget that MF was God in the .* Almighty films. |
| 22:13.48 | fozzmoo | And many people think Obama is God. |
| 22:14.06 | fozzmoo | What a let down they're in for. |
| 22:14.25 | levi | No one thinks Obama is God any more than you think Glenn Beck is God. :P |
| 22:14.58 | levi | Though, with expectations as high as they are, a let-down of some degree is likely. |
| 22:15.15 | fozzmoo | levi: I think GB is God? |
| 22:15.21 | levi | fozzmoo: No. |
| 22:15.58 | fozzmoo | I guarantee you, levi, many people think Obama is God. Many prominent followers have labeled him "the savior" and other nonsense. |
| 22:16.10 | levi | fozzmoo: This is called a 'figure of speech'. |
| 22:16.20 | levi | They don't literally think he is God. |
| 22:16.42 | fozzmoo | It's a figure of speech that hasn't been used in reference to a presidential candidate in such a form in my memory. |
| 22:17.39 | levi | "the savior" is used in political context all the time. |
| 22:18.09 | fozzmoo | levi: You're the savior. |
| 22:18.28 | harleypig | Obama is America's new savor. |
| 22:18.51 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: Oh yes, many people think Obama is God. *roll eyes* |
| 22:18.54 | harleypig | Can't say I like the taste very much |
| 22:19.06 | mrpullThePlumber | ~define savor |
| 22:19.07 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 22:19.08 | dataw0lf | I'd wager more people think God personally has conversations with Palin then there are people who think Barack is some form of deity. |
| 22:19.12 | mrpullThePlumber | ~dict savor |
| 22:19.13 | dataw0lf | in fact, I'd put money on it. |
| 22:19.20 | levi | fozzmoo: You're just jealous that other people actually have a candidate they were *enthusiastic* about. :P |
| 22:19.55 | levi | If another Reagan came along, you can be sure there would be plenty of conservatives calling him their savior. |
| 22:19.55 | fozzmoo | Oh. yes. My envy overrunneth. |
| 22:20.15 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. It's pity. |
| 22:21.04 | harleypig | ~dict savor 2 |
| 22:21.11 | harleypig | ~dict 2 savor |
| 22:21.24 | harleypig | ~dict 3 savor |
| 22:21.33 | harleypig | ~dict 4 savor |
| 22:21.37 | fozzmoo | It's not jealousy or envy. I pity those people who put their faith in Mr. Obama and his troupe of Pie In The Sky Visionaries that are going to usher in the New New Deal and crush most of what was great about the United States of America. |
| 22:21.48 | harleypig | that's the one I waned |
| 22:21.55 | harleypig | err ... wanted. |
| 22:21.56 | fozzmoo | With their "money is the root of all evil" mentality. |
| 22:22.05 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: Ah yes. it's our turn now. |
| 22:22.49 | dataw0lf | and the original New Deal didn't seem to destroy America all that much. |
| 22:23.04 | dataw0lf | But I digress. I'll be here in two years. We'll have an interesting discussion then. |
| 22:23.14 | fozzmoo | Nope. It only extended the Great Depression by 7 years. |
| 22:23.30 | harleypig | two years? |
| 22:23.31 | dataw0lf | you said that we're going to crush most of what is great about the U.S.A. |
| 22:23.33 | fozzmoo | And that Social Security program is doing great. |
| 22:23.42 | levi | If you believe certain economists, who are not exactly in agreement with all the others. |
| 22:24.56 | dataw0lf | (a minority, albeit a large one) |
| 22:25.38 | dataw0lf | but whatever. Apparently I'm helping to destroy America. Way to sling the mud, fozzmoo! Whooooo! |
| 22:25.57 | levi | Me too. Let's destroy America together! |
| 22:26.00 | fozzmoo | We were destined for hell for months before Obama was elected. Every electable candidate for president had plans to spend hundreds of millions more government dollars. |
| 22:26.01 | RyanE | Hey, America isn't going to destroy itself! Everyone should help! |
| 22:26.23 | fozzmoo | We just happened to elect the one who promised to spend the most. |
| 22:26.24 | dataw0lf | whistle while you work! |
| 22:26.31 | RyanE | I'll help by leaving my lights on *all night* tonight. |
| 22:26.50 | RyanE | dataw0lf: I'd get in trouble if I whistled. The cubicles don't go all the way up. :) |
| 22:26.51 | fozzmoo | RyanE: You'll probably be arrested for that in a couple years. |
| 22:27.07 | RyanE | yeah, and I use *evil incandescents*... and LOTS of them... |
| 22:27.19 | dataw0lf | I'm going to hang a picture of Jesus upside down and spit on some flags, bbiab. |
| 22:27.25 | RyanE | of course, they're all on dimmers, but hey, that's not important now. |
| 22:27.28 | fozzmoo | Me too. Gonna horde those in a couple years. |
| 22:33.20 | harleypig | You're all a bunch of dim bulbs! |
| 22:41.18 | harleypig | wow |
| 22:41.22 | harleypig | I kilt the convo |
| 22:41.34 | dataw0lf | I was busy ruining America |
| 22:41.37 | dataw0lf | sorry. |
| 22:41.58 | harleypig | You don't need to do anything else if you've already voted obama :> |
| 22:42.05 | harleypig | he'll do the rest for you |
| 22:42.09 | dataw0lf | apparently not, but I'm an overachiever |
| 22:42.26 | harleypig | ah |
| 22:44.05 | unum | you know I don't know that I've heard anyone say that coolidge was their favourite president |
| 22:46.02 | fungus | wow, Al Franken is so close to taking the MN Senate seat. That is quite impressive. |
| 22:46.34 | harleypig | unum: what about Chester A Arthur? |
| 22:46.47 | unum | ya too bad it didn't happen, cspan would have made good watching :) |
| 22:46.54 | unum | harleypig: no not him either |
| 22:47.04 | dataw0lf | unum: still could. mandatory recount. |
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| 22:48.40 | unum | crosses fingers |
| 22:58.36 | harleypig | holds his fingers in the shape of a cross |
| 22:58.41 | harleypig | Back! BACK! |
| 22:58.48 | fozzmoo | raises his middle finger |
| 22:59.32 | fozzmoo | Al's a good comedian. He shouldn't quit his day job. |
| 23:00.12 | harleypig | maybe it's all a long term joke. |
| 23:00.55 | dataw0lf | doesn't seem like the Andy Kaufman type. |
| 23:09.07 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.18 | Sargun | Wow, I never knew /dev/zero had that much stuff in it. |
| 23:09.56 | fungus | cat /dev/zero > /dev/null |
| 23:11.56 | harleypig | fungus: wow ... I never thought one could make an infinite loop using normal shell commands ... |
| 23:14.14 | fungus | Ooh, try this. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null See how fast your processor can push zeros |
| 23:19.00 | harleypig | I'm atwittering those ... |
| 23:19.00 | harleypig | I'm afraid to try that actually ... |
| 23:22.59 | jshipley | harleypig: how about `while /bin/true; do ; done` |
| 23:23.47 | jshipley | wait, that wouldn't work... |
| 23:24.06 | jshipley | while /bin/true; do /bin/true; done |
| 23:24.08 | jshipley | that would |
| 23:24.41 | jshipley | um, that regex I posted earlier, I messed up and only posted part of it |
| 23:25.02 | harleypig | you wouldn't even need the second true ... |
| 23:25.05 | jshipley | /^1?$|^(11+?)\1+$/ |
| 23:25.13 | harleypig | whie /bin/true ; do ; done |
| 23:25.15 | harleypig | I think |
| 23:25.35 | jshipley | I tried that, but it was saying 'syntax error near unexpected ;' |
| 23:25.45 | harleypig | yeah, I'm getting the same thing ... |
| 23:25.57 | jshipley | ^1?$|^(11+?)\1+$ |
| 23:28.06 | harleypig | jshipley: that's even weirder |
| 23:28.36 | harleypig | Either a blank line or a line with a single 1, or a line that has an even number of ones. |
| 23:29.48 | jshipley | or, any non prime base 1 number (where the only digit is 1) |
| 23:30.18 | jshipley | it can be used to recognize prime numbers |
| 23:32.01 | jshipley | here's a complete perl script to use it: |
| 23:32.06 | jshipley | print "Prime\n" if (1 x shift) !~ /^1?$|^(11+?)\1+$/ |
| 23:32.50 | tensai | the simplest shell endless loop: yes |
| 23:34.00 | jshipley | yes wins |
| 23:35.27 | jshipley | The original website for that regex seems to be down, but here's a description: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20448/what-is-the-most-brilliant-regex-youve-ever-used |
| 23:35.49 | jshipley | it's in the first comment |
| 23:42.21 | harleypig | jshipley: The only digit that regex works on is 1s ... or am I missing something? |
| 23:42.58 | harleypig | jshipley: just saw the lnk ... reading. |
| 23:45.11 | harleypig | owowowowow |
| 23:45.16 | harleypig | That is cool ... |
| 23:45.28 | harleypig | I wonder how big a number it can handle decently. |
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| 23:48.28 | jshipley | It's really more of a toy, but I think it's pretty cool |
| 23:48.54 | jshipley | I wouldn't even try it for large numbers, but it might be interesting to set up a test to see just how high it can go |
| 23:50.25 | fozzmoo | http://tinyurl.com/6dda7z |
| 23:50.28 | brac | [Daily Express | Express Yourself :: BBC shunned me for denying climate change] |
| 23:50.57 | jshipley | It works pretty fast for 7919, the 1000th prime |
| 23:51.18 | Tene | http://shorl.com/tymogrogrilagru is a visualization of it. |
| 23:55.20 | jshipley | It works for 499,979, but takes a while, and doesn't work for 15,485,863 |
| 23:56.35 | harleypig | Tene: heh ... I initially parse whilem as wilhelm |
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