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| 02:49.22 | herlo | lol |
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| 06:07.49 | tensai | elg: ping |
| 06:07.56 | elg | pon |
| 06:08.06 | tensai | do you own a mandolin? |
| 06:14.00 | levi | Hrm, the air cleaner box I got is missing some parts. :( |
| 06:14.36 | elg | mandolin? no |
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| 14:28.25 | elg | i voted because jordy told me not to |
| 14:29.37 | goozbach | I voted! |
| 14:29.44 | goozbach | it took us longer to drive the four blocks to the poll than it did to cast our ballot |
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| 14:31.25 | elg | cast the seventh ballot in his precinct |
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| 14:32.54 | elg | there was a guy from chicago with no patience (had to get a provisional ballot because he had moved, and clearly felt he was being suppressed and stuffed into a prison in madagascar) |
| 14:33.34 | elg | a lady who went completely nuts because there wasn't a way to do a write-in candidate, and because her ballot had a number on it |
| 14:33.48 | elg | and a lady whose ballot kept getting rejected by the optical scanner |
| 14:33.57 | elg | all in the first 20 minutes :) |
| 14:34.22 | elg | not to mention at least 3 other provisional ballots that didn't make a stink |
| 15:10.53 | tensai | elg: did they have hot peppers to snack on while you waited? |
| 15:11.11 | elg | no, it was byop |
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| 15:33.41 | goozbach | anyone here had experience loading a large amount of data into a mySQL database? |
| 15:33.52 | goozbach | ie > 250GB |
| 15:34.05 | goozbach | and gotten it done in a decent amount of time. |
| 15:34.16 | goozbach | while still being able to use the database server |
| 15:51.59 | Jayce^ | woohoo, netflix for mac is working! |
| 15:52.27 | mrpull- | Jayce^: netflix for Xbox360 is the one i'm looking forward to |
| 15:52.29 | mrpull- | nov 18th |
| 15:58.27 | goozbach | netflix for the PS3 works now (or so I've been told) |
| 15:58.43 | goozbach | unfortunatley you have to be running a windows machine to act as a media server |
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| 16:02.40 | mrpull- | goozbach: i have used that product (if you are talking about PlayOn) |
| 16:02.52 | mrpull- | it works, but the native version will be 720p |
| 16:07.46 | mrpull- | now that netflix streams in 720p and Directv can stream 1080p, i'm starting to doubt my blu-ray purchase |
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| 16:14.38 | mrpull- | i wonder how the bad weather will affect the polls |
| 16:20.23 | unum | they say poor people are less likely to vote in bad weather |
| 16:20.51 | unum | rich people just have their chauffers drop them off at the door |
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| 16:56.12 | unum | "How weird is it that engaging people about democratic issues in a democracy is generally viewed as inappropriate" |
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| 17:12.29 | Sargun | mrpull-, how bad is the weather? |
| 17:13.34 | mrpull- | Sargun: raining now, snow predicted |
| 17:13.42 | Sargun | ah, its utah |
| 17:13.45 | Sargun | it's |
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| 17:13.59 | Sargun | they're one of the most predictable polls |
| 17:14.10 | Sargun | (for national races) |
| 17:14.35 | mrpull- | correcct |
| 17:17.54 | unum | there's going to be an upset this year, when everyone writes in Mitt Romney |
| 17:20.23 | Sargun | Do you -actually- think that's going to happen? |
| 17:22.23 | goozbach | wish I would have thought to do that |
| 17:22.26 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:22.37 | goozbach | I wrote in the doctor |
| 17:23.17 | goozbach | http://www.pvponline.com/2008/11/04/smithjones-08/ |
| 17:23.31 | Sargun | Anyone here a blatant liberal? |
| 17:23.54 | Sargun | feels sad and alone. |
| 17:24.33 | unum | compare to most utahns I'm a liberal |
| 17:24.52 | unum | though when I visit seattle I suddenly feel like I'm a conservative..... |
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| 17:30.10 | goozbach | http://bash.org/?655859 |
| 17:30.11 | brac | [QDB: Quote #655859] |
| 17:30.41 | goozbach | harleypig: WHY OH WHY did you have to take me with you when you snuck back into bash.org |
| 17:30.45 | goozbach | ? |
| 17:30.58 | herlo | lol |
| 17:32.35 | harleypig | http://www.zazzle.com/vote_admiral_ackbar_08_poster_print-228960655869557429 |
| 17:32.39 | harleypig | goozbach: err ... wasn't that yesterday? |
| 17:33.07 | goozbach | harleypig: yes, my point exactly |
| 17:33.11 | harleypig | Today's explosm quote: 'Get an erection for election day!' |
| 17:33.19 | goozbach | love explosim |
| 17:33.19 | harleypig | ah ... :> |
| 17:33.27 | goozbach | I can't escape |
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| 17:55.40 | levi | elg: Re: your endorsement of SUPERDELL: The stress of grad student life must have finally got to you. I'm afraid you've lost your mind. ;) |
| 17:56.45 | elg | what would plug be without a good political flamewar on an election day? unamerican I say |
| 17:57.12 | herlo | my favorite line from I understand your partner sued you, is that correct? Why? |
| 17:57.13 | herlo | Not true. I didn't have a partner. I hired a guy a $10 an hour, promoted him personally up to $102,000 per year plus bonuses because I am the most generous person you can imagine. He then sued claiming I held him back from promotion. He was the VP, the only thing up from there was my job. Again the whole thing was a fraud by the media. It was blatantly obvious from looking at the facts that the whole thing was complete bull crap. |
| 17:57.21 | herlo | http://www.superdellforgovernor.com/blog.asp |
| 17:57.22 | brac | [Dell Schanze SUPERDELL for Utah Governor] |
| 17:57.58 | unum | I just had someone send me links to costitutional party stuff |
| 17:58.11 | unum | this guy married a girl from his mission and lives in his parent basement |
| 17:58.54 | unum | keep in mind he served a mission in an area of the world that values american citizenship |
| 17:58.58 | sjansen | unum: Your point? |
| 17:59.15 | elg | which guy? |
| 17:59.22 | unum | sjansen: he might vote superdell |
| 17:59.39 | unum | elg: the guy that's trying to get me to go costitutional party |
| 17:59.55 | elg | basements have constitutional rights too |
| 17:59.56 | levi | unum: That doesn't seem likely. :) |
| 17:59.57 | sjansen | We all might vote Super Dell. Doesn't mean you should go spreading you libel all over the intertubes. |
| 18:00.23 | unum | his subject was "links" I should reply with a link that lists me as a party leader in the democratic party |
| 18:00.42 | unum | I have yet to figure out how this guy got my contact info.... |
| 18:00.48 | unum | he just called me one day asking for computer help |
| 18:01.01 | elg | procmail ftw |
| 18:01.11 | elg | the procmail equivalent of zapateller |
| 18:01.17 | levi | So, I missed the news that Obama's grandmother, who he took time off from his campaign to visit in Hawaii, died yesterday. |
| 18:01.28 | elg | sunday night i heard, yeah |
| 18:01.38 | elg | bummer she couldn't hang around for the election |
| 18:01.50 | elg | maybe she's doing some acorporeal campaigning though |
| 18:01.51 | levi | She did send in an absentee ballot, though, and it will be counted. |
| 18:03.24 | neybar | sjansen: what are the intertubes for if not libel? |
| 18:03.27 | levi | It does make me mad at the people who were spreading the story that he only went there to do damage control with the silly lawsuit filed against him there, and that his grandmother was really just fine. :P |
| 18:05.04 | elg | those same people are probably now implying that she didn't actually die or that she died on purpose |
| 18:05.28 | levi | Yes, someone implied that she was euthanized for propaganda purposes. :P |
| 18:05.46 | levi | Only in a stupid blog comment or something, but still. |
| 18:07.00 | levi | The fact that people stoop to that kind of low level makes me sad. |
| 18:07.01 | sjansen | herlo: Great link. Thanks! |
| 18:07.29 | elg | sjansen: a laugh a minute |
| 18:21.24 | Sargun_Screen | levi: I've actually heard that on a good list of conservative channels |
| 18:21.38 | Sargun_Screen | patriot radio, the intarwabs |
| 18:22.09 | levi | Sargun_Screen: That she was euthanized? |
| 18:22.45 | Sargun_Screen | yup, or that obama somehow contributed to her death for betterment in the race |
| 18:22.59 | levi | Yeesh. |
| 18:24.31 | sjansen | I was thinking about voting SUPERDELL, but changed my mind. Instead, I think I'm going to vote for the pizza dude who forgot to change me for the extra breadsticks. |
| 18:25.12 | Sargun_Screen | a good chunk of my views of conservatives are shaped by patriot radio ;-P |
| 18:25.22 | sjansen | When you get down to it, I've deiced to vote for qualification over entertainment. |
| 18:25.30 | levi | What's patriot radio? |
| 18:27.02 | Sargun_Screen | uhm, some radio station with two nutty hicks |
| 18:28.08 | levi | A real radio station, or an internet radio station? Or a syndicated show? |
| 18:28.36 | Sargun_Screen | http://am1280thepatriot.townhall.com/ |
| 18:29.34 | ^Migs^ | http://www.superdellforgovernor.com/donate.asp |
| 18:29.35 | brac | [Dell SUPERDELL Schanze for Utah Governor - Donate] |
| 18:29.38 | ^Migs^ | lol, raised $12.02 of $5000 |
| 18:29.46 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:29.55 | Sargun_Screen | ... |
| 18:30.02 | levi | Was that 1 donation, or 2? |
| 18:30.32 | Sargun_Screen | you should halped him raise 666.66 |
| 18:30.44 | Sargun_Screen | the price of the original apple II iirc |
| 18:32.20 | ^Migs^ | it was 5 donations, apparently |
| 18:32.57 | tensai | $10 + $1 + $1 + $0.01 + $0.01 = $12.02 |
| 18:34.24 | Sargun_Screen | he could have raised more with google ads |
| 18:35.31 | elg | LUNCH |
| 18:35.33 | thaddeusq | google ads only do good if people click on them. Nobody seems to click on my google ads |
| 18:36.29 | levi | Heh, donating a penny. |
| 18:37.12 | unum | people click on my google ad |
| 18:40.12 | elg | -chat |
| 18:40.13 | brac | startups are about to do a gotoif |
| 18:40.21 | elg | -chat the election |
| 18:40.22 | brac | the election ends :-/ |
| 18:40.35 | elg | yeah |
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| 18:41.14 | ^Migs^ | -chat obama |
| 18:41.14 | brac | obama was then adopted by major parties. |
| 18:41.20 | ^Migs^ | -chat mccain |
| 18:41.20 | brac | mccain was inconsistent, lashing out with listerine |
| 18:41.24 | ^Migs^ | -chat biden |
| 18:41.24 | brac | biden did |
| 18:41.26 | ^Migs^ | -chat palin |
| 18:41.26 | brac | palin had |
| 18:41.55 | ^Migs^ | -chat |
| 18:41.56 | brac | what more do I need the ajaxified version). |
| 18:42.08 | elg | lashing out with listerine! |
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| 19:05.28 | Jayce^ | a good reason to BAN macro lenses : http://flickr.com/photos/jeremyhall/3002669011/in/photostream/ |
| 19:10.34 | ^Migs^ | that's beautiful in a creepy sort of way |
| 19:14.10 | Sargun_Screen | ^Migs^: you're beautiful in a creepy sort f wway |
| 19:17.10 | ^Migs^ | Thank you. |
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| 19:23.45 | harleypig | http://io9.com/5075620/george-romero-and-zombies-go-together-like-chocolate-and-brains |
| 19:36.20 | harleypig | Sportsman's Fast Cash and Westley Hill claim Talovic's actions could not have been predicted, but a lawsuit filed by one of the survivors, Stacy Hanson, argues the shooting would have never happened if Hill hadn't sold Talovic the shotgun. |
| 19:36.27 | harleypig | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=4702850 |
| 19:36.29 | brac | [ksl.com - Gun shop owner asks for lawsuit to be dismissed] |
| 19:36.32 | harleypig | wtf? |
| 19:38.27 | unum | it's hard to shoot people with out a gun |
| 19:38.57 | unum | was the gun sold illegally? |
| 19:40.05 | unum | because otherwise we're going to see car dealerships getting sued |
| 19:40.50 | harleypig | It doesn't matter if it were legally sold or not ... Idjit argues the shooting would never have happened if Hill hadn't sold the shotgun ... |
| 19:41.09 | harleypig | So, moron wouldn't have found a gun elsewhere? |
| 19:41.26 | unum | not if everywhere refused to sell him a gun |
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| 19:44.47 | unum | just because someone else would have illegally sold him the gun doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished for illegally selling the gun |
| 19:50.22 | harleypig | unum: He already was ... |
| 19:50.30 | harleypig | that's not what idjit's trying to do. |
| 19:50.51 | harleypig | Economic crisis is even hitting the hookers: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-brothel4-2008nov04,0,753298.story?track=rss |
| 19:51.01 | brac | [In this economy, even sex doesn't sell - Los Angeles Times] |
| 19:51.25 | harleypig | unum: So are you an anti- or pro- gun nut? |
| 19:54.01 | harleypig | wow ... "Signs of the economic free fall have cropped up in many of Nevada's 25 or so legal brothels. The Mustang Ranch, for example, has a steady stream of customers, but the number of women vying for work has soared. Even a 74-year-old applied." |
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| 20:06.07 | unum | harleypig: I believe that people should be able to own guns if they can prove that they know how to use them, and that they aren't a danger to others |
| 20:06.31 | utahcon | ! |
| 20:08.06 | unum | does it say if that stacy guy can walk now? |
| 20:08.14 | unum | I guess I could follow the link..... |
| 20:13.09 | unum | I think kirby had the best superdell quip |
| 20:13.27 | unum | is he sure he wants us to pray for guidence about what to do? God might tell us to hang him. |
| 20:20.26 | harleypig | unum: that's not really much of an answer |
| 20:21.06 | unum | harleypig: then please give me definitions so I can squeeze into your boxes |
| 20:21.28 | elg | unum prides himself in being a conundrum perhaps |
| 20:23.25 | harleypig | unum: In what way did I indicate I wanted to squeeze you into one of my boxes? |
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| 20:23.55 | unum | harleypig: because you said I didn't answer your either or question |
| 20:24.08 | harleypig | No I didn't. I said it wasn't much of an answer. |
| 20:24.17 | harleypig | It was vague. |
| 20:24.37 | harleypig | It was fluff ... left me feeling still hungry and unsatisfied. |
| 20:24.45 | unum | ya I don't have a lot of strong feelings on the details, because I'm not really an expert on the subject |
| 20:24.55 | unum | now if you want to discuss tech policy.... |
| 20:26.17 | harleypig | I was just reading an article the other day on how ultrasonic sound can be used to generate connections between neurons ... Maybe a spike in the back of the head isn't going to be needed for the matrix. |
| 20:27.15 | unum | I feel like you should have to take some state certified training before you own a gun. and no history of major mental illness, or crime |
| 20:29.05 | elg | does voting {republican,democrat} count as a major mental illness? |
| 20:29.57 | harleypig | What about being a radical moderate? |
| 20:30.50 | harleypig | What's a major mental illness? |
| 20:31.23 | harleypig | How does one distinguish between major and minor? |
| 20:31.48 | unum | harleypig: that's as far as I can go |
| 20:31.57 | unum | because I'd say superdell is borderline... |
| 20:32.09 | unum | but a mental health professional would have to make that call |
| 20:32.24 | harleypig | Ah. What about non-violent mental illness (people who compulsively buy everything they see)? |
| 20:32.37 | harleypig | s/(p/(e.g., p/ |
| 20:33.06 | Jayce^ | elg, to the people in the other party, it always does :) |
| 20:33.30 | unum | I'd tend not wory so much about the non-violent type myself, but what do I know about mental ilnesses |
| 20:33.38 | elg | not much it seems |
| 20:33.54 | elg | the vast majority of mentally ill people are nonviolent |
| 20:34.02 | Jayce^ | unum, I largely agree there, but worry about the people in control of the regulations, and granting 'permission'.. it's been abused too many times.. how do you regulate common sense :( |
| 20:35.03 | unum | Jayce^: that's true. but we try to do it with cars |
| 20:35.12 | Jayce^ | right.. |
| 20:35.14 | unum | and it's not perfect, but I still say it's better than letting everyone drive |
| 20:35.35 | Jayce^ | agreed |
| 20:36.07 | Jayce^ | right now we have the limits in place.. but people now keep wanting to extend what the limits are.. |
| 20:36.44 | Jayce^ | heck, just look at CA, IL, Mass etc. :) |
| 20:36.53 | unum | I want to increase the amount of training you need |
| 20:37.01 | tensai | there's no substantial group of people who want to completely outlaw cars, but the same is not true of guns. so Jayce^'s concerns of scope creep I think are warranted. |
| 20:37.18 | Jayce^ | tensai, thanks, exactly what I mean. |
| 20:37.40 | unum | well we're in control of the regulations.... |
| 20:37.48 | Jayce^ | we are? |
| 20:37.57 | tensai | for certain definitions of "we" |
| 20:38.25 | unum | my state rep votes how I want him to on that issue |
| 20:38.25 | Jayce^ | right now the party about to gain a majority in all parts of the federal government largely is *for* the scope creep |
| 20:38.47 | ^Migs^ | Obama sure isn't winning by much |
| 20:38.51 | Jayce^ | sure, mine does too, but currently the majority is wanting to override those rights |
| 20:39.25 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, even if he wins by one electoral vote (he'll get far more), it'll be branded as a 'Mandate' for 'Change' |
| 20:40.13 | ^Migs^ | when are we going to have a presidential race again, where it's just no contest, where one of the candidate is so clearly superior? |
| 20:40.26 | ^Migs^ | what the heck happened to all the good presidential candidates out there? |
| 20:40.28 | tensai | when somebody worth voting for finally runs |
| 20:41.32 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, it's a rarity.. and usually *shouldn't* happen (parties should put the best out.) it shouldn't be a list of problems with them |
| 20:41.56 | Jayce^ | of course, it would be a lot easier if we had more candidates, representing actual ideals instead of trying to be white bread |
| 20:42.03 | harleypig | unum: your state rep votes how *he* wants to. He's *supposed* to vote how he thinks his constituents as a whole want him to vote. |
| 20:42.23 | ^Migs^ | that's a good point, but that's basically my problem, though. It just seems that this whole campaign season has been a lot of fluff, nothing more |
| 20:42.30 | unum | harleypig: mine actually does the later |
| 20:42.32 | elg | when have we ever had that kind of race? |
| 20:42.34 | unum | believe it or not |
| 20:42.52 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, because we let the media run it, and we also had it start two #@@% years ago.. |
| 20:43.03 | harleypig | unum: I'm sure he does ... but my point was that your statement was incorrect. |
| 20:43.08 | Jayce^ | and our top two candidates have given up on the jobs they were supposed to be doing during those years |
| 20:43.30 | unum | well I agree with most of my neighbors about it |
| 20:43.35 | unum | so he votes the way I want.... |
| 20:43.36 | harleypig | I still say we should just save time and vote Cthulhu. |
| 20:43.38 | ^Migs^ | so could a state rep basicaly do a complete 180 and vote for the guy I don't want to vote for? |
| 20:43.42 | Jayce^ | elg, closest I can think of is Reagan vs Mondale :) |
| 20:43.45 | harleypig | unum: for now. |
| 20:43.53 | harleypig | and as far as you know. |
| 20:43.59 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that was what I was thinking, Jayce. Didn't Reagan pretty much get swept into the White House? |
| 20:44.07 | unum | harleypig: there are some issues where he does vote different |
| 20:44.13 | unum | but honestly I'd vote the same as him |
| 20:44.27 | unum | because it's how the districts wants him to vote |
| 20:44.46 | Jayce^ | unum, my previous rep voted very different, which is why I changed parties to vote against him in the primaries :) |
| 20:44.47 | harleypig | I wonder if we all wrote in Cthulhu would it actually show up? |
| 20:45.02 | Jayce^ | harleypig, why vote the *lesser* of two evils, right? |
| 20:45.17 | harleypig | Exactly |
| 20:45.25 | unum | Jayce^: I'm in a "swing district" so if you don't do what the people want, you're out |
| 20:45.33 | unum | it's really nice |
| 20:45.36 | harleypig | I'm tired of this slow creeping to hell ... let's just get it over with. |
| 20:45.37 | unum | I've never had that before |
| 20:45.49 | Jayce^ | yeah, ours finally got kicked... which is nice |
| 20:45.52 | harleypig | Of course, if Obama wins then we're going to be that much closer to hell anyway. |
| 20:46.08 | Jayce^ | of course, my district, last time, the Consitution party beat out the Dems in several counties :) |
| 20:46.51 | levi | Jayce^: Which district is that? |
| 20:46.56 | Jayce^ | needs an extra asbestos layer |
| 20:47.07 | Jayce^ | #3.. |
| 20:47.33 | Jayce^ | Noorlander beat out last elections Dem in I think 3 counties, maybe 4.. Had 11% total |
| 20:47.53 | Jayce^ | if Chaffetz hadn't won in the primary, I think he would have done even better this year |
| 20:48.33 | Jayce^ | my state rep district didn't even have a Democrat running.. |
| 20:48.43 | Jayce^ | might be yours too levi, iirc |
| 20:48.54 | unum | ya we don't waste to much effort down there |
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| 20:49.36 | levi | Jayce^: Is the U.S. Representative district you're talking about? |
| 20:50.19 | unum | my problem is I tend to favor the minority party |
| 20:50.24 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah |
| 20:50.35 | unum | so in two years I'll have to be republican federally, and democraty locally.... |
| 20:50.36 | Jayce^ | unum, me too :) |
| 20:50.47 | levi | I'm in #2 |
| 20:50.57 | Jayce^ | except I look at third parties first :) |
| 20:51.08 | Jayce^ | ah, dumb district lines.. |
| 20:51.21 | unum | I'm more a green third party person |
| 20:51.31 | unum | not so many of them running this year in utah |
| 20:51.37 | ^Migs^ | constitutional party all the way |
| 20:51.40 | Jayce^ | amazing thing that :) |
| 20:51.54 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, nah, I could never vote a party line, and besides, too many freaks :) |
| 20:51.58 | Jayce^ | but they do have some good guys |
| 20:52.17 | tensai | liquor is now legal to sell on election day in idaho |
| 20:52.40 | Jayce^ | quick tensai run out and stock up :) |
| 20:52.46 | unum | the constitutional party is the least close to my view |
| 20:52.46 | unum | s |
| 20:52.55 | ^Migs^ | if they provide free liquor at the polls, they'll get a better turn out |
| 20:53.07 | ^Migs^ | they should give away swag, too |
| 20:53.12 | ^Migs^ | sell cotton candy... |
| 20:53.44 | levi | http://www.kued.org/productions/voteutah/voter/Utahmap.html |
| 20:53.46 | brac | [Utah County - Utah's Congressional Districts - Voter Resources] |
| 20:53.48 | levi | Those are some weird lines. |
| 20:53.58 | elg | ^Migs^: you can get free coffee at starbucks |
| 20:54.48 | goozbach | we know ho |
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| 20:54.55 | levi | My district is a Utah anomaly with a Democratic representative. |
| 20:55.01 | unum | one of the major payers said utah had the most gerry mandered lines of any state |
| 20:55.03 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you know ho? |
| 20:55.06 | jsmith | Free donuts at Krispy Kreme as well |
| 20:55.08 | goozbach | elg: you can also get krispy kreme and ben and jerries |
| 20:55.14 | jsmith | Free chicken at Chick Filet |
| 20:55.14 | goozbach | Jayce^: don't know |
| 20:55.28 | elg | i wonder if that applies at the gas station/albertsons that sells KK donuts here |
| 20:55.30 | goozbach | that was in my kbd buffer I guess |
| 20:55.31 | elg | we don't have a KK |
| 20:55.37 | elg | oh yeah, free chiken? |
| 20:55.38 | Jayce^ | unum, meh, I've seen everybody say the same about their lines... they are all screwed by both major parties |
| 20:55.39 | ^Migs^ | why don't we get all those restaurants/stores into one place during the election? |
| 20:55.41 | unum | my brother and boss(both devote republicans) say matheson is more republican then our repubricans |
| 20:56.02 | unum | Jayce^: it was a national paper that said it |
| 20:56.23 | Jayce^ | and that validates it? :) |
| 20:56.38 | unum | Jayce^: well they didn't pick their own state |
| 20:56.41 | unum | :) |
| 20:56.41 | levi | He definitely doesn't seem terribly liberal. But I guess that's what it takes to win an election as a Democrat in Utah. ;) |
| 20:57.02 | Jayce^ | in WA we'd git lines that would jump and split islands to different places.. |
| 20:57.04 | unum | I can't think of a liberal thing he has done? |
| 20:57.44 | elg | unum: besides running as a democrat? ;-) |
| 20:58.25 | unum | elg: come on romney ran as a republican and he wasn't conservative :) |
| 20:58.34 | unum | I mean when he ran for governor of course |
| 20:58.54 | elg | wasn't he a dem when he ran for gov of mass? |
| 20:59.06 | Jayce^ | no |
| 20:59.18 | unum | he was a liberal republican |
| 20:59.28 | elg | huh i thought he was dem |
| 20:59.35 | unum | he makes matheson look like an extreme conservative |
| 20:59.48 | sjansen | http://tinyurl.com/5ph9th |
| 20:59.51 | brac | [Barack Obama T-Shirt] |
| 20:59.52 | elg | anyway, my snide remark reflects the widely-held opinion in utah that democrat == evil liberal |
| 21:00.12 | unum | elg: ya you did raise a good point with it |
| 21:00.52 | unum | wow according to google news someplaces are giving out sex toys |
| 21:00.55 | elg | of course utah used to be a democrat state didn't it? |
| 21:00.58 | unum | whish I had waited to vote until today |
| 21:01.03 | unum | back in the 80's |
| 21:01.08 | Jayce^ | elg, yeah.. |
| 21:01.10 | elg | that recent? |
| 21:01.13 | unum | I know the second to last democratic speaker of the house |
| 21:01.16 | elg | heh, i doubt they're giving out sex toys in utah |
| 21:01.30 | unum | ya I blame bensen for the change |
| 21:01.53 | unum | when was Faust head of the state democratic party |
| 21:02.01 | unum | was it the 80's? |
| 21:02.03 | Jayce^ | unum, I think it's more of the natural party shift.. parties changed the overall view over time, the state remainded the same |
| 21:02.33 | sjansen | brac: spoil sport |
| 21:02.34 | Jayce^ | the classic example of that of course is reagan, and his quote about it |
| 21:02.42 | unum | Jayce^: I don't know many utahns that support fdr, but we voted for him back then |
| 21:02.48 | elg | -chat sjansen you |
| 21:02.49 | brac | sjansen you should go because of significant issues are being called |
| 21:02.57 | unum | I admit the parties change |
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| 21:03.10 | unum | just I think utahns have shifted their views |
| 21:03.53 | unum | Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln are my favourite presidents |
| 21:04.02 | unum | jefferson and jackson are my least favourite |
| 21:04.08 | unum | but here I am a democrat today |
| 21:04.43 | harleypig | yay for screen! |
| 21:04.55 | harleypig | http://electionresults.utah.gov/xmlData/30001.html |
| 21:04.57 | brac | [Utah Election Results] |
| 21:04.57 | harleypig | Cool |
| 21:04.58 | elg | -chat harleypig supports |
| 21:04.58 | brac | harleypig supports |
| 21:04.59 | ^Migs^ | I think I have some Democratic tendencies, but I don't identify myself with either party |
| 21:05.02 | ^Migs^ | I think that's just dangerous |
| 21:05.07 | elg | harleypig supports the thong legislation |
| 21:05.11 | elg | -chat harleypig supports |
| 21:05.27 | harleypig | Shouldn't that be the thong supports hrleypig? |
| 21:05.27 | brac | harleypig supports the terrorists! |
| 21:05.38 | elg | brac: same difference |
| 21:05.44 | unum | originally I avoided party affiliation, but then I wanted to get more involved |
| 21:05.50 | unum | so I went to a caucus meeting |
| 21:06.08 | unum | next thing I know I've agreed to try and get 150,000 people to vote democrat |
| 21:06.12 | harleypig | Did you get baptized right away? |
| 21:06.25 | harleypig | yep |
| 21:06.38 | sjansen | Beware zombie bites. |
| 21:06.43 | elg | lol |
| 21:07.04 | elg | you couldn't even get me to agree to try and get 150k people to eat ice cream |
| 21:08.28 | harleypig | What if you put up a sign that said "All the free ice cream you could eat?" |
| 21:08.32 | Jayce^ | harleypig, don't think anything can support that much :) |
| 21:08.47 | harleypig | Jayce^: why, thank you. :> |
| 21:09.01 | harleypig | It *is* big isn't it. |
| 21:09.19 | Jayce^ | nah, just the pressure from the muffin top |
| 21:09.29 | Jayce^ | you know, don't think 'muffin' comes close to describing that |
| 21:09.36 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:10.28 | unum | I do really like the candidates I'm working with |
| 21:10.36 | Jayce^ | not even a costco muffin |
| 21:11.37 | sjansen | report unum for election fraud |
| 21:11.52 | harleypig | has visions of rows of 'muffin tops' on a shelf ... |
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| 21:23.27 | harleypig | wow ... I scared people away with that last one... :> |
| 21:23.59 | Jayce^ | but it brought markl__ to visit us.. says something about him |
| 21:25.56 | harleypig | Hi markl__ |
| 21:26.04 | harleypig | Oh ... about him. |
| 21:26.06 | harleypig | ummm |
| 21:27.00 | harleypig | markl__'s a cool dude |
| 21:27.01 | harleypig | ? |
| 21:27.12 | harleypig | s/?/!/ |
| 21:27.27 | Jayce^ | wow, harleypig is a channel unto himself :) |
| 21:27.27 | harleypig | -chat about about |
| 21:27.30 | brac | about went insane configuring his server shortly |
| 21:28.00 | harleypig | kicks harleypig for being too chatty |
| 21:29.40 | goozbach | -chat missing |
| 21:29.40 | brac | missing is the counterpoint to having a bzflag-a-thin? |
| 21:29.44 | Jayce^ | guess he saw enough |
| 21:30.10 | harleypig | the equivalent of scratching his eyes out? |
| 21:30.59 | goozbach | -chat about the |
| 21:31.00 | brac | the was |
| 21:31.31 | levi | Grr. |
| 21:31.53 | Jayce^ | "The Was".. is that a Who revival band? |
| 21:32.07 | levi | Idiot who sold me a car part on eBay decided it would be a good idea to remove all the associated hardware to attach it. |
| 21:32.18 | levi | At least I only paid a few bucks for it. |
| 21:32.25 | harleypig | Jayce^: or The Band |
| 21:33.43 | harleypig | In mysql, is there a way to say "give me all rows up to a row that matches a condition"? |
| 21:33.55 | harleypig | Sort of l ike a limit? |
| 21:34.56 | jsmith | harleypig: Not without doing it in a stored procedure, I don't think there is. |
| 21:35.26 | harleypig | So that made sense? Good. :] |
| 21:35.31 | harleypig | jsmith: ok, thx |
| 21:36.13 | goozbach | anyone done bulk imports into mysql? |
| 21:36.22 | ^Migs^ | with mysqlimport? |
| 21:36.35 | ^Migs^ | or just a simple mysql ... < data.sql? |
| 21:37.51 | goozbach | ^Migs^: I'm talking in general |
| 21:38.03 | jsmith | goozbach: Yes, but I claim to know nothing |
| 21:38.19 | ^Migs^ | get it into a CSV, and just use mysqlimport |
| 21:38.29 | goozbach | We're having performance problems doing our daily updates from various vendors data feeds |
| 21:38.32 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 21:38.39 | goozbach | imports of around 250G or so |
| 21:38.39 | ^Migs^ | performance, I don't know |
| 21:38.43 | goozbach | (daily) |
| 21:38.47 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 21:39.02 | ^Migs^ | does it slow down at particular points, do you knwo? |
| 21:39.03 | ^Migs^ | *know |
| 21:39.14 | goozbach | if we slow it down by doing insert, sleep, insert... it never gets done in time for the next batch to take off |
| 21:39.54 | goozbach | if we do mysql < foo.sql the slave servers freak out and spike their load which fowls up all of our mysql clients |
| 21:39.57 | ^Migs^ | what if you did insert, insert, sleep, insert, insert... :) |
| 21:40.01 | jsmith | goozbach: Have you used BULK COPY? |
| 21:40.06 | goozbach | jsmith: yup |
| 21:40.11 | jsmith | goozbach: (or disabled/removed indices) |
| 21:40.35 | goozbach | it's even worse than the mysql import or mysql < foo.sql |
| 21:40.50 | harleypig | Hmmm ... can I use a subselect in a where clause? |
| 21:40.51 | goozbach | jsmith: tell me about disabled/removed indices... |
| 21:40.58 | goozbach | harleypig: in postgres |
| 21:41.06 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:42.20 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:42.56 | jsmith | goozbach: The basic idea is that your indices are slowing down your inserts. Drop the indices, do the insert, and then re-add the indices |
| 21:44.56 | Jayce^ | arghh.. family vehicle needs new brakes/rotors/calipers :( |
| 21:45.16 | levi | Jayce^: Ick. Even calipers? What happened? |
| 21:45.34 | Jayce^ | told my wife month and a half ago that the brakes felt wrong, she needed to take it in.. |
| 21:45.39 | Jayce^ | kept reminding her.. |
| 21:45.56 | Jayce^ | friday I drove it again for something, noticed squeeking up front :( |
| 21:46.04 | goozbach | :( |
| 21:46.11 | levi | Braking with metal, eh? |
| 21:46.14 | Jayce^ | *now* she took it in |
| 21:46.15 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:46.29 | levi | How'd that kill the calipers? |
| 21:47.00 | levi | I recently had to replace the rear drums, shoes, and cylinders in my rear van brakes. :/ |
| 21:47.14 | Jayce^ | rubbing |
| 21:47.31 | Jayce^ | not fully sure (just getting the details from the phone with my wife) |
| 21:47.45 | Jayce^ | thankfully just the front, redid back brakes last year |
| 21:47.56 | levi | That seems odd. There should still be pad backing and mounting stuff between the calipers and the rotors. |
| 21:47.59 | Jayce^ | still, way more $$ than I wanted to spend right now |
| 21:48.27 | Jayce^ | yeah, should be.. guess it'd been going for a bit longer than thought... |
| 21:48.52 | levi | Crazy. :( |
| 21:49.27 | sjansen | Jayce^: There's only one way to deal with this. You're going to have to invoice your wife for the damage. |
| 21:49.46 | levi | Ha ha. Ha. |
| 21:49.57 | levi | Clearly sjansen isn't married. :) |
| 21:50.20 | Jayce^ | it becomes even more clear now :) |
| 21:50.20 | goozbach | jsmith: found out we're already doing the drop indicies thing |
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| 21:50.57 | goozbach | any other ideas? |
| 21:51.13 | jsmith | goozbach: Which database engine? |
| 21:53.02 | goozbach | a hodgepodge of myiasm and innodb tables |
| 21:53.47 | goozbach | we've been playing with the idea of creating a seperate db server and doing the import there, then copying the datafiles directly to the main database server |
| 21:54.42 | goozbach | the problem is we want to script this, and "mysql stop; cp ; mysql start" in a cronjob makes me VERY nervious |
| 21:56.08 | jsmith | goozbach: I'd be nervous too... and at that point, I'd seriously consider moving it all to PostgreSQL |
| 21:56.29 | goozbach | jsmith: ohh I wish |
| 21:56.33 | goozbach | sooo much |
| 21:58.44 | jsmith | goozbach: Not sure anything here helps, but it's a pretty decent overview: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=377652&seqNum=4 |
| 21:59.20 | Sargun_Screen | myiasm? |
| 22:01.33 | sjansen | youryousally? |
| 22:03.26 | harleypig | miasmay |
| 22:07.40 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: a type of mysql table |
| 22:09.27 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: A fancy filesystem with an SQL-like interface. An incomplete approximation of a real database. |
| 22:10.53 | goozbach | sjansen: I like your description |
| 22:10.58 | fozzmoo | Quick poll: Best filesystem type for large files: xfs, ext3, jfs |
| 22:11.10 | jsmith | sjansen: Amen, brother! |
| 22:11.11 | sjansen | not ext3 |
| 22:11.16 | jsmith | not ext4 (yet) |
| 22:11.30 | mrpull- | fozzmoo: whaaa? no reiser? |
| 22:11.43 | fozzmoo | He killed a person! |
| 22:11.47 | sjansen | I know more people using XFS than JFS. Therefore, I trust XFS more. |
| 22:11.50 | ^Migs^ | http://isobamapresidentyet.com/ |
| 22:11.52 | brac | [Is Obama President yet?] |
| 22:12.00 | fozzmoo | I had heard ReiserFS was falling along the wayside. |
| 22:12.02 | mrpull- | is joking |
| 22:12.19 | fozzmoo | I was leaning toward xfs... just wanted to see what others thought. |
| 22:12.26 | fozzmoo | This will be a 2TB filesystem inside LVM. |
| 22:12.33 | fozzmoo | So... it may grow. |
| 22:13.06 | sjansen | Just don't run XFS+LVM on a 32 bit system with 4k stacks. |
| 22:14.56 | mrpull- | sidetracking fozz's question... anybody try out btrfs (sp?) yet? |
| 22:15.01 | goozbach | fozzmoo: xfs |
| 22:15.06 | goozbach | xfs for large files |
| 22:15.09 | fozzmoo | Excellent. |
| 22:15.13 | goozbach | jfs for a large number of small files |
| 22:15.25 | fozzmoo | goes forth with the power of goozbach |
| 22:15.36 | mrpull- | i wish ZFS didn't have stupid license issues |
| 22:15.49 | mrpull- | or Linux for that matter |
| 22:18.48 | Jayce^ | "By the Power of Goozbach!...." |
| 22:19.04 | Jayce^ | watches fozzmoo point his sword in the air, then towards sjansen |
| 22:19.18 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 22:19.18 | goozbach | dreams of his petabyte filer running ZFS... |
| 22:19.49 | elg | Jayce^: you can install the coreutils port with the non-g names |
| 22:20.04 | elg | variant with_default_names |
| 22:20.16 | Jayce^ | ahh, cool, you want to add that as a comment? would be good to know |
| 22:29.37 | goozbach | redbeard2: http://thecookieblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/scaling-your-cookie-recipes/ |
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| 23:05.10 | fungus | killyourwifeFS is going to disappear |
| 23:05.51 | fungus | it's largely irrelevant ever since ext3, but now after the whole conviction it's got a stigma that comes with it. |
| 23:07.10 | harleypig | Anyone who uses it needs to force someone else to use it every day forever after or the malevolent ghost of Reiser's wife will come and kill them. |
| 23:07.29 | tensai | I've yet to see an fs that could beat reiser3 at storing large numbers of small files |
| 23:08.20 | jsmith | tensai: Unfortunately, the filesystem repair facilities of reiser3 weren't as good as the filesystem itself :-( |
| 23:08.35 | tensai | jsmith: having lived through that a few times, I will completely agree |
| 23:08.51 | jsmith | still has the scars |
| 23:09.23 | Jayce^ | ~scar jsmith |
| 23:09.51 | jsmith | ~buy Jayce^ scar |
| 23:09.51 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen scars for Jayce^ |
| 23:10.38 | Jayce^ | has plenty to spare |
| 23:10.59 | Jayce^ | heck, work with harleypig as much as I have, and you'll have mental-scars aplenty |
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