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| 01:58.22 | ibot | ACTION spins elg |
| 01:59.31 | tensai | ~forget spin (.*?) |
| 01:59.31 | ibot | tensai: i didn't have anything called 'spin (.*?)' to forget |
| 01:59.44 | tensai | ~forget spin (.*)? |
| 01:59.44 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'spin (.*)?' to forget, tensai |
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| 02:10.43 | Sargun_Screen | levi: yt? |
| 02:12.16 | Sargun_Screen | Where can I find good documentation on writing code for bare metal? |
| 02:14.40 | lakshmi | why would anyone wanna write code for metal? |
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| 02:57.55 | levi | Sargun_Screen: What kind of 'code for bare metal' are you talking about? |
| 02:58.10 | Sargun_Screen | code directly on top of x86 procssor. |
| 02:58.25 | levi | Sargun_Screen: Do you want to write an OS? |
| 02:58.36 | Sargun_Screen | No. |
| 02:58.47 | levi | Intel has a series of manuals that describe how to program the x86. |
| 02:59.45 | levi | Do you want to do x86 assembly, or just a C program that will run without an OS? |
| 03:00.52 | Sargun_Screen | x86 assembly. |
| 03:01.21 | levi | Then yeah, you'll want to download the x86 reference manuals. |
| 03:02.19 | levi | I question your sanity, though. |
| 03:02.27 | Sargun_Screen | hehe |
| 03:02.29 | levi | x86 sucks. |
| 03:02.44 | Sargun_Screen | Ok, what about MIPS |
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| 03:02.48 | levi | Find a nice embedded chip to write bare-metal code for. |
| 03:03.23 | levi | MIPS is less insane, but it's a RISC processor and thus not terribly friendly to hand-coded assembly. |
| 03:04.56 | levi | In MIPS and other old RISC architectures, you have to deal with branch delay slots and stuff. |
| 03:06.28 | Sargun_Screen | uhm |
| 03:06.47 | Sargun_Screen | what would you say is a good hardware arch |
| 03:09.56 | levi | Maybe ARM, or 68k. |
| 03:11.05 | levi | What are you wanting to write, anyway? |
| 03:11.35 | levi | http://www.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/ |
| 03:11.38 | brac | [Intel® 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manuals] |
| 03:11.43 | levi | That's all the x86 stuff. |
| 03:21.59 | Sargun_Screen | thanks |
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| 03:34.58 | RyanE | Sargun_Screen: I assume you've seen 'Programming from the Ground Up', right? It talks about assembly on the x86. |
| 03:35.05 | RyanE | but that may be a bit basic for what you want. |
| 03:35.16 | RyanE | http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/pgubook/ |
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| 04:16.28 | Sargun_Screen | No, PGU is for user mode stuff |
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| 05:00.05 | elg | haha |
| 05:00.05 | elg | http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10847043 |
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| 05:01.57 | bonez45 | well, Truman had the last laugh, and I believe McCain may have the same.. |
| 05:08.27 | levi | Not terribly likely at this point, but it is remotely possible. |
| 05:08.35 | levi | It ain't over 'til it's over. |
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| 05:09.03 | elg | yup. i just think it's funny that some press (not exactly mainstream press, but that doesn't make it less funny) has called it already |
| 05:09.09 | elg | after the 2000 debacle |
| 05:10.00 | levi | elg: Well, the one's I've heard about are bi-monthly publications, so they can either call it now or not bother calling it at all. :) |
| 05:10.13 | elg | yup, this one included |
| 05:10.13 | levi | Seems like more of a marketing gimmick to me. |
| 05:14.15 | bonez45 | wait til the fat lady sings.... |
| 05:15.52 | elg | i've noticed "mccain's chance" stories more and more on google news the last day or two |
| 05:16.38 | levi | The media does have a vested interest in a close race. |
| 05:16.43 | elg | i think it's mostly the media desperate to keep it interesting. even if they were/are neck and neck you still have to come up with a new election story every day |
| 05:16.51 | elg | and when you've been going on and on about it for months... |
| 05:16.54 | bonez45 | true.. it generates more interest.. more eyeballs |
| 05:17.15 | Sargun | http://google.com/trends?q=mccain%2C+obama |
| 05:17.16 | brac | [Google Trends: mccain, obama] |
| 05:18.07 | elg | here's one for the conspiracy theorists though: what if the republican party is behind the raid on syria? remember mccain badgering obama about what he said about going into pakistan (iirc) in a similar way if necessary |
| 05:18.15 | levi | fivethirtyeight.com does probabilistic simulations of elections based on weighted poll results, historical trends, etc. Current McCain win percentage in those simulations is 4.3%. |
| 05:19.45 | bonez45 | levi: does that mean it's predicting a 4.3% point advantage, or win or lead by McCain over Obama? |
| 05:19.51 | levi | Completely discounting policy/political differences, McCain has had a trainwreck of a campaign and Obama has a well-oiled campaign machine. |
| 05:20.00 | elg | how boring. electoral college tie is .21% |
| 05:20.05 | levi | bonez45: That means, essentially, a 4.3% chance of McCain winning. |
| 05:20.09 | elg | and a recount only 2.24% |
| 05:20.19 | bonez45 | ah... |
| 05:20.20 | elg | i wonder what the numbers would have been before the 2000 race :) |
| 05:20.51 | levi | bonez45: His electoral vote guess is 344.1 to 193.9, which are average values from the simulations run, IIRC. |
| 05:20.51 | elg | this page will be fun come tuesday. thanks! |
| 05:21.03 | elg | watch the news, when states are called look up the percentages |
| 05:21.31 | levi | And 52.0% to 46.6% in the popular vote. |
| 05:22.14 | levi | And the trend graph shows Obama's lead to have been pretty stable for the last 2 weeks. |
| 05:23.17 | levi | Of course, all of this is based on polls. Polling organizations are generally pretty good at what they do, but their models could be flawed. Something could be fundamentally different about this election. |
| 05:25.44 | tensai | http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/814/ |
| 05:28.00 | levi | BTW, the fivethirtyeight.com model does split the undecideds 50/50. |
| 05:34.39 | tensai | I saw a much better analysis of the polls but I can't find the url just now |
| 05:34.48 | tensai | had pretty graphs and everything |
| 05:35.44 | tensai | I'm trying to remember the name of that behavior where people tend to say they'll vote for a black candidate but in the end don't. some people are concerned about that and others discount it. |
| 05:37.05 | levi | Much better analysis of the polls than what? |
| 05:37.31 | tensai | that is rather confusing isn't it |
| 05:37.46 | tensai | much better analysis of polls versus actual results for the last few elections |
| 05:38.13 | levi | What conclusions did that analysis draw? |
| 05:39.29 | tensai | that it was very unlikely mccain could pull it out, but still possible |
| 05:39.48 | tensai | by "better" I mean than the politifact.com story and with many more details |
| 05:41.26 | elg | anything is possible |
| 05:41.47 | elg | it could turn out obama is an extraterrestrial and we find out on nov 3 |
| 05:42.15 | tensai | wouldn't change my vote |
| 05:42.21 | elg | or that he dies and in the chaos no viable democratic alternative pops up |
| 05:42.29 | tensai | still, wouldn't change my vote |
| 05:42.35 | elg | :-D |
| 05:42.52 | tensai | that's because my vote is already in the ballot box. nothing I can do now. |
| 05:43.21 | levi | I registered really late (had to re-register after moving) so I didn't get a chance to vote early. |
| 05:44.06 | tensai | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7681928.stm |
| 05:44.09 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | US Elections 2008 | Obama's chance of winning big] |
| 05:44.24 | tensai | that's not the one, although it's interesting |
| 05:44.45 | levi | Well, he's certainly not going to win big in Utah. |
| 05:44.53 | elg | heh. "1 in 10 million ... No, things aren't looking quite that bleak for John McCain just yet. But those are roughly your chances of actually deciding the outcome of the election with your vote -- if you're fortunate enough to live in New Mexico, New Hampshire, Virginia or Colorado (If you live in Utah or the District of Columbia, God help you.)" |
| 05:49.40 | tensai | they're running a series of interviews with the idaho senate candidates |
| 05:50.04 | levi | Idaho is not terribly likely to go Obama, either. |
| 05:50.19 | tensai | on the local news that is |
| 05:50.28 | tensai | while the R and D candidates sound at least reasoned and rational, the other guys sound like wackos |
| 05:51.06 | tensai | levi: no, not likely. really makes me mad too the way people vote for the party and not the candidate. |
| 05:51.26 | levi | We've got Superdell running for Governor. Are they wackier than him? |
| 05:51.41 | elg | certainly such a thing is not possible |
| 05:51.41 | tensai | that's a pretty high mark to hit, so probably not |
| 05:51.59 | tensai | one of them changed his name to Pro Life |
| 05:52.03 | tensai | he's the nuttiest |
| 05:52.11 | levi | Well, a lot of conservatives are scared to death of Obama, so not voting for him isn't really a party thing. |
| 05:52.18 | levi | Yeah, that's pretty nutty. |
| 05:53.36 | tensai | tonight he said the solution to our energy woes is to close down all nuclear plants |
| 05:53.55 | levi | Um, yeah. That's going to help! |
| 05:54.53 | tensai | it's also bound to win votes in this part of the state where lots of people work at the Idaho National Laboratory, which among other things has a nuclear reactor |
| 05:55.38 | tensai | http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9241990&nav=menu554_2_8_1 |
| 05:55.53 | tensai | last night he told us all to repent |
| 05:57.56 | bonez45 | Let's just get on with the next 4 years. so that things can get really ugly.. and then the populace will beg for a conservative leader to clean up the mess...... |
| 05:58.08 | bonez45 | nuclear is the ANSWER to our energy needs... |
| 05:58.24 | bonez45 | is there a transcript out yet, on tonight's address? |
| 05:58.29 | bonez45 | on his infomercial? |
| 05:58.40 | tensai | here's the video. http://tinyurl.com/5rouu9 |
| 05:59.08 | bonez45 | thanks |
| 06:01.28 | bonez45 | I meant' Obama's 15 minute speech... .. didnt' he buy up air time tonight on the television? |
| 06:01.45 | tensai | oh, that I don't know about |
| 06:02.46 | tensai | "Splitting atoms murders atoms." |
| 06:03.13 | tensai | "God does not split atoms. If you say the Sun is nuclear explosions then why is not the sunlight deadly like radioactive waste?" |
| 06:05.34 | levi | tensai: Hasn't that guy ever had a sunburn? |
| 06:05.45 | Sargun | I've never had sunburn. |
| 06:05.51 | tensai | he's a farmer so I've got to expect he has |
| 06:06.00 | Sargun | tensai, I've had a person tell me something very close to that. |
| 06:06.08 | levi | bonez45: From what I hear, it was very similar to what was shown at the DNC. |
| 06:06.15 | levi | I haven't seen it yet, though. |
| 06:08.20 | bonez45 | ok |
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| 15:37.28 | elg | -chat i vote |
| 15:37.28 | brac | i vote we make fun of obsd as it's "for the PFA" |
| 15:38.30 | elg | -chat you voted |
| 15:38.30 | brac | you voted Yea, or else they say That |
| 15:38.35 | elg | -chat he voted |
| 15:38.36 | brac | he voted them up. |
| 15:38.40 | elg | -chat mccain voted |
| 15:38.41 | brac | mccain voted |
| 15:38.46 | elg | -chat obama voted |
| 15:38.46 | brac | obama voted for NUKES in the web |
| 15:39.15 | elg | mccain voted for cows on the farm |
| 15:39.18 | elg | -chat mccain voted |
| 15:39.24 | brac | mccain voted for all three platforms (including the jokes on you. He specifically worded his statement suggests that it couldn't be written in Smalltalk. You can use route lables that you guys misses HEAD |
| 15:44.42 | goozbach | -chat go vote |
| 15:44.43 | brac | go vote though - I am male...) |
| 15:44.52 | goozbach | -chat elg voted |
| 15:44.53 | brac | elg voted |
| 15:45.10 | elg | no, early voting is too hard |
| 15:45.20 | elg | esp when the polling place is across the street |
| 15:48.23 | unum | voted |
| 15:50.15 | unum | watches obama infomercial |
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| 16:01.39 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:01.42 | eightyeight | voted also |
| 16:01.54 | levi | I think I recorded the Obama infomercial, but I haven't watched it yet. |
| 16:03.45 | mrpull- | levi: what is the point of watching a 30 minute paid ad for a candidate? is it really going to sway your vote? |
| 16:04.04 | mrpull- | supporters will say it is great and opponents will say it sucked |
| 16:07.13 | levi | mrpull-: In general, or for me in particular? In general, there are still undecided voters and people who are wary of Obama because of FUD they've heard. For me in particular, I'm just interested to see what it is. |
| 16:07.44 | mrpull- | both, and i guess i understand your POV |
| 16:07.50 | levi | Huh, Ron Paul is on the ballot in Montana on the Constitution Party line. |
| 16:09.50 | levi | McCain is pushing hard on the attack ads and the whole 'Who is this Obama guy really? Do you know who he is?!' angle. So, Obama provides an infomercial telling people willing to listen who he is and what he stands for. |
| 16:11.44 | mrpull- | even the moderated debates didn't do much to sway me. a biased paid ad shouldn't really be the sole source of a voter's decision (and i'm sure there are many that it may be) |
| 16:11.52 | levi | Of course, if you're already firmly in the anti-Obama camp, it's probably not going to sway you, but there are a lot of people who are still considering both candidates. |
| 16:13.03 | levi | mrpull-: There's no way it's going to be the sole source of any voter's decision. |
| 16:13.24 | mrpull- | ok... primary source for some? |
| 16:13.39 | levi | mrpull-: People talk about politics with their friends and family, they get flyers in the mail, they hear political ads on TV. |
| 16:13.40 | unum | for some quite possibly |
| 16:16.30 | jshipley_ | levi: I thought that Ron Paul was running with the Libertarian party? |
| 16:16.42 | unum | no that's bob barr |
| 16:18.23 | jshipley_ | hmm, never mind... |
| 16:18.55 | levi | jshipley_: He was running Republican. |
| 16:19.52 | levi | jshipley_: It doesn't really matter what party he's on the ballot for in Montana, since he's a 3rd party and thus is not going to carry the state. |
| 16:19.55 | jshipley_ | wait, according to wikipedia, "He entered the 1988 presidential election, running as the Libertarian nominee while remaining a registered Republican, and placed a distant third" |
| 16:20.40 | jshipley_ | It would seem that he wants to run for president, but doesn't much care which party gets him there. |
| 16:20.45 | jshipley_ | Not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 16:21.03 | levi | He's an issue candidate, not a serious contender. |
| 16:21.20 | levi | He runs to raise the profile of his cause, not with a hope of actually winning. |
| 16:22.32 | levi | The Libertarian and Constitution parties are fairly closely aligned, and reflect his true feelings more than the Republican party does. He wants to move the Republican party closer to Libertarian/Constitution, though. |
| 16:22.33 | unum | levi: but he way draw enough votes from mccain to give the state to Obama |
| 16:22.48 | levi | unum: That would be fine with me. :) |
| 16:22.55 | unum | me too |
| 16:23.09 | unum | I think nader was somewhat succesful in pulling the democratic party to the left |
| 16:23.21 | unum | this is the first time I actually voted for the democratic candidate |
| 16:23.37 | elg | do you mean right? |
| 16:23.40 | elg | or are you way way left? |
| 16:23.45 | unum | and the first time I thought him winnig would matter much |
| 16:24.03 | unum | nader is waaaaaaaaaaay left |
| 16:24.12 | unum | I'm definetly left of bush :) |
| 16:24.13 | levi | In the global political scale, the US Democrats are not very far left. |
| 16:24.33 | unum | I think I pretty closely aligned with Governor Romney |
| 16:24.39 | unum | from what I know of what he did |
| 16:24.43 | levi | But the US Republicans are currently way, way right. |
| 16:25.03 | levi | unum: What things in particular make you closely aligned with him? |
| 16:25.09 | elg | so i'm still trying to get this straight. you voted for a dem for the first time because they're finally far enough left for you? |
| 16:25.39 | unum | levi: universal healthcare, alternative fuels, odf, corruption refrom, non deficit spending |
| 16:25.50 | unum | elg: correct |
| 16:26.03 | elg | ok, just clearing it up. so before you voted for ... |
| 16:26.34 | levi | unum: I didn't follow his politics as Governor very well, I just looked at some of his backtracking stuff he did when he ran for President. |
| 16:26.44 | unum | nader |
| 16:27.05 | unum | levi: ya I didn't like presidential nominee Romney |
| 16:27.34 | levi | unum: I.e., "I really have always hated abortion! I really have never wanted gays to marry! Please ignore my liberal record!" |
| 16:27.54 | levi | All my hyper-conservative Mormon relatives fell for it. |
| 16:27.55 | unum | levi: he was closer to my views on those previously as well |
| 16:28.02 | unum | levi: mine as well |
| 16:28.17 | unum | which is funny since the mormon church doesn't promote banning abortion |
| 16:28.20 | levi | Yet they're highly skeptical of McCain. |
| 16:28.21 | unum | I can't figure it out |
| 16:28.33 | elg | most of them only care about abortion, gays, and that the candidate is republican |
| 16:28.47 | unum | mine are bitter about Palin, but they'll still vote that way |
| 16:28.58 | levi | My relatives love Palin. |
| 16:29.06 | levi | She's *so* experienced! |
| 16:29.06 | jshipley | elg: that sounds like a lot of the people that I know. |
| 16:29.11 | unum | ok two of my relatives like her |
| 16:29.27 | levi | She really fights that government corruption! |
| 16:29.39 | unum | but in the defense of one, he has a neurological condidition |
| 16:29.41 | elg | yup. i don't know exactly how many of my relatives feel that way. I try to stay ignorant :) |
| 16:29.47 | levi | That darned liberal media is just smearing her reputation unfairly! |
| 16:29.53 | jshipley | I haven't really seen much to like, other than her looks. She's a lot more attractive (physically) than McCain. |
| 16:29.58 | unum | I hope the party tares it self to pieces over her |
| 16:30.34 | elg | i imagine a lot of people to the left see palin in a similar light that the people to the right see hillary |
| 16:31.05 | levi | Probably so. |
| 16:31.51 | levi | I've been following the blog of Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic. |
| 16:33.16 | levi | He's interesting because he's politically conservative, in the sense that he values pragmatism and 'stuff that's worked' over idealism and leftist stuff, though he's a gay Catholic so he's not really down with the fundamentalist Christian Right that's a big part of the Republican base right now. |
| 16:34.40 | Sargun | http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processInputRequest?TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&InquiryNumber1=1Z1404100302301348 < WHERE IS IT NOW?! |
| 16:34.52 | JoshH | levi, that guy is interesting |
| 16:34.57 | JoshH | he said some good stuff on bill maher recently |
| 16:35.25 | elg | Sargun: uh, between NY and CA probably |
| 16:35.30 | Sargun | heh. |
| 16:35.41 | Sargun | but i want to know within one minute of where my stuff is. |
| 16:36.01 | elg | it's on a truck on a highway |
| 16:36.05 | elg | you want to bomb the truck? |
| 16:36.23 | dataw0lf | levi: yea, Andrew Sullivan is pretty good. |
| 16:36.24 | levi | I'm actually relatively conservative myself, so his view really resonates with me. |
| 16:36.25 | elg | or you want to know when to trigger the detonator |
| 16:37.16 | Sargun | elg, possibly. |
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| 16:37.20 | elg | the days of cowboy package tracking are pretty much over. gone are the days when paying attention to the tracking would give you a hint that your package is arriving early or late |
| 16:37.30 | elg | now, it just arrives on the estimated day 99% of the time |
| 16:38.03 | elg | now, usps would be a different story |
| 16:38.10 | Sargun | USPS sucks ass. |
| 16:38.12 | elg | but their tracking is so granular as to be worthless |
| 16:38.38 | Sargun | I love Fedex, but they cost too much |
| 16:38.38 | elg | which is probably why their performance is so spotty ;) |
| 16:39.35 | Sargun | hey, don't diss fedex. |
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| 16:40.45 | Sargun | they're really nice to me, even after I assaulted their driver with a baseball bat ;-P |
| 16:54.47 | mrpull- | vote for Tron Paul |
| 16:55.10 | unum | now way, I'm voting for Cory Doctorow |
| 16:55.42 | unum | man, felton in a cabinet position, that's going to be awesome |
| 17:08.45 | levi | Heh, The Economist endorsed Obama. |
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| 17:21.23 | pashdown | what do they know!?!? |
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| 17:21.47 | unum | pashdown: what did you think of the infomercial |
| 17:22.02 | pashdown | this guy i know knows another guy who knows a guy who once dated a woman who dated a guy who says obama is the anti-christ |
| 17:22.29 | pashdown | unum it was alright. they're sure pulling out all the stops. |
| 17:22.46 | Sargun_Screen | wow.. |
| 17:23.05 | unum | pashdown: I heard from Dell Schanze himself that Huntsman is the anti-christ, so I don't know if your source is right |
| 17:23.14 | unum | unless of course they are the SAME person! |
| 17:23.23 | pashdown | you just blew my mind |
| 17:23.27 | Sargun_Screen | anyone here watch the infomercial? |
| 17:23.36 | unum | I just watched it online |
| 17:23.44 | unum | I was at a local meet the candidate night last night |
| 17:23.47 | pashdown | i watched on tivo |
| 17:24.34 | Sargun_Screen | how was it? |
| 17:24.36 | Sargun_Screen | good? |
| 17:25.46 | pashdown | well crafted. i'm not sure it will sway anyone at this point though. |
| 17:26.31 | pashdown | retired guy forced to go work at walmart was a sharp jab |
| 17:26.37 | unum | ya I always want to talk to undecided voters after seeing campaign stuff |
| 17:27.07 | Sargun_Screen | I'm all for the O! |
| 17:28.29 | fozzmoo | Man. Being forced to work at WalMart. That's heavy. |
| 17:29.19 | fozzmoo | will vote for the first candidate to be humble and honest. |
| 17:30.14 | neybar | you're not voting fozzmoo? :) |
| 17:30.28 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 17:30.39 | fozzmoo | I guess Glenn Beck's stage show this last Summer spoiled me. |
| 17:30.55 | pashdown | now there is a paragon of honesty |
| 17:30.57 | fozzmoo | If you haven't seen it, it's available on DVD now. Glenn Beck: Unelectable 08 |
| 17:31.23 | pashdown | did he talk about strangling michael moore in that pathological way again? |
| 17:31.44 | fozzmoo | No, but I completely sympathize with that sentiment. |
| 17:32.11 | pashdown | yeah, i can't imagine anyone in radioland actually acting on that sentiment. |
| 17:32.20 | neybar | I'm still undecided on who I'm going to vote for. I do know who I'm not voting for though. |
| 17:32.26 | pashdown | not like that guy who shot up the church. |
| 17:32.32 | Sargun_Screen | is #utah all glenn beck fanatics? |
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| 17:32.51 | neybar | Sargun_Screen: I'm indifferent. I don't care for him or against him. |
| 17:33.18 | Sargun_Screen | ok. so it's just fozzmoo |
| 17:33.51 | pashdown | work calls, adios |
| 17:35.02 | fozzmoo | I'd like for a presidential candidate to get up in front of a microphone and say, "Folks, this financial crisis we find ourselves in is not the fault of one person or one party. It's true that the democrats pushed for higher numbers of home ownership by those who probably should not have been able to get loans, but republicans are far from faultless by pushing policies that encouraged greed over reason." |
| 17:35.16 | jshipley | neybar: I can think of a lot of people that I would never vote for, but not many of them are running for president |
| 17:36.14 | fozzmoo | If I hear Obama say one more time that McCain (who was the most left-leaning candidate during the primaries) is in lockstep with G W Bush, I'm going to throw something at my radio/TV. |
| 17:36.19 | neybar | jshipley: heh, I was thinking most of the ones who are running are the exact people I wouldn't vote for. Esspecially McCain and Obama |
| 17:36.30 | fozzmoo | neybar: here here. |
| 17:36.52 | fozzmoo | I'm not voting for the democrat... or the socialist/marxist. |
| 17:37.05 | fozzmoo | not that my vote matters. |
| 17:37.09 | fozzmoo | pfft. |
| 17:37.12 | JoshH | he's more of a leninist |
| 17:37.47 | fozzmoo | I am glad that so many younger people are passionate about the election, tho. |
| 17:38.08 | fozzmoo | A lot more people are educating themselves about issues this season than I remember seeing in the past. |
| 17:39.26 | fozzmoo | pashdown: Glenn Beck has also said that Jimmy Carter was a waste of skin. Ho ho. I'm with ya brother on that. |
| 17:40.10 | fozzmoo | Let's praise the president who reigned over ~20% interest rates and inflation. |
| 17:41.17 | neybar | lol |
| 17:41.39 | pashdown | you're asking me to defend jimmy carter's economic history? |
| 17:41.50 | fozzmoo | Disclaimer: I quit listening to ANY talk radio, pretty much, several weeks ago because I'm sick of hearing the election crap be rehashed for the 20 millionth time in 2 years. |
| 17:41.51 | pashdown | in comparison to broadcasting homocidal tendencies? |
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| 17:42.20 | fozzmoo | Homocidal tendencies? It's called sentiment, not intent. |
| 17:42.43 | fozzmoo | I know Beck well enough to know he couldn't strangle Moore. He's not a manly man. |
| 17:42.56 | fozzmoo | Plus, he coudln't get his hands around Moore's monstrous neck. |
| 17:43.05 | pashdown | http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09122008/transcript1.html <--- read this |
| 17:43.09 | brac | [Bill Moyers Journal . Transcripts | PBS] |
| 17:44.07 | fozzmoo | Yep. I remember hearing that. |
| 17:44.36 | pashdown | i think moyer's summary at the end is spot on in regards to the responsibility these talking heads have |
| 17:45.41 | fozzmoo | There's a strong argument to made for what Hollywood churns out as well. |
| 17:46.04 | fozzmoo | But we can't go down that road, either way. |
| 17:46.46 | levi | Can't go down what road? |
| 17:47.10 | pashdown | i think he means the first amendment |
| 17:47.14 | fozzmoo | levi: Starting to talk about public good vs 1st ammendment. |
| 17:47.33 | fozzmoo | The Internet has taught me volumes about this issue. |
| 17:47.41 | levi | fozzmoo: I'm still not sure what you're saying. |
| 17:47.41 | fozzmoo | The best thing we can do... is nothing at all. |
| 17:48.05 | pashdown | no, i think clear ratings and parental responsibility should be able to handle hollywood |
| 17:48.30 | fozzmoo | and you think things are different for broadcast? |
| 17:48.33 | pashdown | inciting people to action over broadcast mediums has had dangerous results in the past |
| 17:49.07 | fozzmoo | Inciting people to action .* has had dangerous results in the past. |
| 17:49.22 | fozzmoo | So, let's ban people like Jeremiah Wright from ever preaching to a congregation. |
| 17:49.43 | fozzmoo | Let's ban Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton from ever talking about oppressed communities. |
| 17:49.55 | fozzmoo | You're right about a need for responsibility... |
| 17:50.01 | fozzmoo | but it's shared. |
| 17:50.18 | fozzmoo | It needs to be shared by those who are spewing information and those who are absorbing it. |
| 17:50.21 | JoshH | did jeremiah wright ever incite violence? |
| 17:50.35 | fozzmoo | JoshH: That's very debatable. |
| 17:50.38 | levi | fozzmoo: Did anyone ever say anything to the contrary? |
| 17:50.49 | pashdown | i have a meeting, but i don't think condemning american policy is on the same level as pulling a godwin on al gore. |
| 17:50.51 | levi | regarding the need for shared responsibility, that is. |
| 17:50.54 | pashdown | adios |
| 17:51.44 | fozzmoo | There are times when "pulling a godwin" makes sense. |
| 17:51.57 | fozzmoo | Beck is also responsible for comparing Jesus and Hitler. |
| 17:52.09 | fozzmoo | gasps |
| 17:52.42 | fozzmoo | He's not just going around and comparing "polarizing left-wing figure" to "nazi" |
| 17:52.52 | fozzmoo | He had a good argument on the global warming thing. |
| 17:53.06 | fozzmoo | Moyers didn't excerpt enough of the argument for his viewers to catch that. |
| 17:53.26 | fozzmoo | goes back to install Mantis. |
| 18:02.06 | Tene | http://entequilaesverdad.blogspot.com/2008/10/yup-were-officially-scarier-than-teh.html |
| 18:03.35 | Tene | language warning, I guess. I'm not sure if there's anyone easily enough offended here to require it. |
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| 18:19.00 | Sargun_Screen | would you expect anything less? |
| 18:30.34 | elg | http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/news08.html |
| 18:30.45 | pashdown | in other news has anyone gone to ibex today? |
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| 18:37.49 | jshipley | I switched to Debian testing recently, it feels good to not need to reinstall every six months for the newest Ubuntu release. |
| 18:37.52 | lakshmi-755 | hi |
| 18:40.11 | unum | runs debian sid |
| 18:40.17 | unum | I reinstall everyday |
| 18:40.28 | unum | :) |
| 18:40.34 | elg | jshipley: so how is that different from doing a dist-upgrade every 6 months? (aside from the slow trickle vs all-at-once upgrade) |
| 18:40.47 | elg | me doesn't reinstall ubuntu |
| 18:40.56 | levi | Who reinstalls Ubuntu? |
| 18:41.18 | elg | apparently jshipley |
| 18:43.16 | synic | pashdown: not today, but recently |
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| 18:45.34 | mrpull- | the new(er) X.org in the early Intrepid betas gave me some grief on a Latitude D610 (i think an Intel graphics chip) |
| 18:45.43 | mrpull- | i'll try it out again today |
| 18:46.15 | synic | hrmm, I have an eeebox that had problems on hardy that were fixed in intrepid, also an intel chip |
| 18:47.33 | mrpull- | the new config file threw me for a loop. i was lazy at the time and just reverted to stable. |
| 18:51.37 | jshipley | elg: it's not that different... but I've had some issues in the past with upgrading from one ubuntu release to the next |
| 18:51.54 | jshipley | So does Intrepid have the new gnome? (2.24) |
| 18:52.24 | synic | yeah, Ubuntu follows gnome's release cycle |
| 18:53.09 | elg | I used to run debian testing (still do in some places) but for my home desktop (which I rarely spend much time actually using - my wife mostly) I buy the niceness and polish of ubuntu with "deal with potential upgrade issues" currency (and don't have to deal with potential upgrade issues in-between) |
| 18:53.36 | JoshH | i used to like the rolling updates of debian testing/unstable, but eventually i had to do much babysitting/manually resolving issues to keep it up to date, and the longer i waited between updates the more of a pita it was, so i'll try sticking with ubuntu now |
| 18:54.17 | JoshH | but this will be the first time i actually try a dist-upgrade with ubuntu so im a bit worried |
| 18:54.36 | elg | if it were my main 24/7 personal desktop system, i'd probably stick with debian testing |
| 18:54.53 | JoshH | that's what i used on my personal desktop forever |
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| 19:08.53 | jshipley | I think that Debian Sid is still on Gnome 2.22 |
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| 19:57.26 | mrpull- | argh. i either have a bad batch of DVD's or my Burner is on the fritz. |
| 19:58.25 | Reilithion | mrpull: sounds serious either way |
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| 20:02.34 | mrpull- | nah. i can always buy a new spindle of dvd's if that doesn't fix it I can always use an excuse to upgrade my hardware |
| 20:03.02 | mrpull- | this good old PC has served me well. it might be time to upgrade the whole thing again. |
| 20:03.06 | harleypig | mrpull-: unless it's a software or configuration problem, in which case neither will be effective |
| 20:04.21 | mrpull- | it wouldn't be fun if it was always easy. |
| 20:04.41 | Reilithion | I got a new graphics card yesterday. |
| 20:05.00 | Reilithion | Of course, the eBay seller I got it from neglected to include the power cable for it, so now I am waiting on ATI to send it to me. |
| 20:05.26 | harleypig | Reilithion: A hercules svga card? |
| 20:05.40 | mrpull- | Reilithion: that's the worst getting a new toy and having mom and dad forget the batteries |
| 20:05.55 | Reilithion | harleypig: Don't know exactly what that is. |
| 20:06.04 | Reilithion | mrpull-: yeah. totally |
| 20:06.17 | Reilithion | It's a Radeon X850 |
| 20:06.18 | harleypig | Reilithion: an old graphics card--in it's time one of the better cards. |
| 20:07.23 | mrpull- | i'm still using an IBM CGA |
| 20:08.01 | Reilithion | wow |
| 20:09.44 | harleypig | mrpull-: ah ... so *you're* going to upgrade to the hercules card :> |
| 20:10.10 | mrpull- | yeah. i want to play Spore. I figure the Hercules should help. |
| 20:10.17 | harleypig | phosphoresent green (or amber) ... wow ... brings back memories. |
| 20:10.18 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:10.42 | mrpull- | the first time I saw SVGA my jaw dropped |
| 20:10.57 | harleypig | all of a sudden I'm remembering DukeNukem and Prince of Persia in the computer lab ... |
| 20:11.15 | harleypig | (that's the side scroller DukeNukem) |
| 20:12.11 | mrpull- | harleypig: did you see the video of the creator of PoP's brother doing the moves that ended up in the game? |
| 20:12.23 | mrpull- | (if that makes sense you get a cookie) |
| 20:12.40 | harleypig | I didn't ... now I gotta search you tube... |
| 20:12.46 | harleypig | (where's my cookie?) |
| 20:13.04 | harleypig | err .. youtube |
| 20:14.48 | mrpull- | harleypig: http://vimeo.com/1854745 |
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| 20:16.06 | mrpull- | funny how the animation in the original PoP was as good or better than many of today's games |
| 20:16.24 | JoshH | well, the upgrade seems to have worked fine |
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| 20:27.28 | harleypig | mrpull-: holy crap ... that's amazing ... |
| 20:27.37 | harleypig | no wonder it felt realistic. |
| 20:31.38 | mrpull- | i wonder what his brother was thinking at the time. little did he know he was at the cutting edge of game development. |
| 20:31.46 | mrpull- | PoP was in a league of its own. |
| 20:33.00 | harleypig | wonder what he's doing now ... :] |
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| 22:36.33 | Reilithion | I still can't believe I spent $20 on a friggin' power cable. |
| 22:42.10 | levi | What'd you do that foar? |
| 22:42.12 | harleypig | ?! You shoulda gone to MAS Computers ... |
| 22:42.12 | levi | Er, for. |
| 22:42.40 | Reilithion | I wanted to be sure I got the right one for my graphics card. |
| 22:43.00 | Reilithion | I'm also sad it won't arrive for several days. |
| 22:43.01 | Reilithion | :-( <-- see me being sad? |
| 22:54.43 | mrpull- | Reilithion: did you still save money going the ebay route? |
| 22:55.56 | levi | I just spent $30 on a piece of exhaust pipe. |
| 22:56.39 | levi | From ebay, even. |
| 22:57.12 | Reilithion | mrpull-: I spent $30 on the card. |
| 22:58.03 | Reilithion | Considering it's supposedly one of the best video cards to have under Linux, I think it was a pretty good deal. |
| 22:58.26 | levi | What card is it? |
| 22:58.37 | mrpull- | cool. the stuff i've looked for on ebay never ends up being a good value (to me) |
| 22:58.44 | Reilithion | Radeon X850 |
| 23:00.14 | levi | Why's it supposed to be one of the best under Linux? |
| 23:00.35 | Reilithion | High framerate 3d rendering with open source driver |
| 23:01.47 | Reilithion | http://free3d.org |
| 23:12.11 | lakshmi | ya'll ban a lotta movies dontcha |
| 23:13.19 | harleypig | lakshmi: I'm surprised it's not more given the attitudes around here. |
| 23:13.36 | harleypig | what you don't hear about is how often movies are just plain not even advertised here in God's backyard. |
| 23:14.25 | lakshmi | heh |
| 23:15.02 | lakshmi | but why would you ban zack and miri make a porno |
| 23:15.23 | lakshmi | seth rogen is funny! |
| 23:15.40 | harleypig | It's not "Utah" ... It's a unilateral decision by a businessman |
| 23:15.51 | harleypig | The state of Utah has not banned any movies. |
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| 23:56.17 | sjansen | http://feeds.rlove.org/~r/rlove/~3/k5ee5BX7on4/economist-endorses-senator-obama.html |