| 00:00.09 | high_roller | Sargun legal notices, just so when they take you to court for breaking into their systems they can say we warned you |
| 00:00.37 | Sargun | heh |
| 00:00.58 | high_roller | I've seen that a lot too, so I asked and that was the reason I got |
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| 01:44.13 | eightyeight | so, is plug ok, or did i scare everyone off? since getting back on the list, uug has been seeing all the action |
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| 02:24.17 | lukfugl | so how goes the debate kibitzing? |
| 02:27.31 | lukfugl | 500 error at mydebates.com :) |
| 02:27.40 | lukfugl | err, .org |
| 02:30.33 | Heartsbane | seems fine here |
| 02:32.09 | lukfugl | yeah, working now |
| 02:45.09 | lukfugl | -chat debate |
| 02:45.10 | brac | debate was to keep and value their employees. |
| 02:45.21 | lukfugl | -chat obama |
| 02:45.22 | brac | obama had much time in human anatomy. |
| 02:45.28 | lukfugl | -chat mccain |
| 02:45.29 | brac | mccain was inconsistent, lashing out with their behavior? |
| 02:50.41 | Sargun_Screen | -chat pants |
| 02:50.41 | brac | pants did |
| 02:52.35 | lukfugl | -chat sargun is |
| 02:52.35 | brac | sargun is going to do everything possible to actually get accepte, I know some counterstrike players who can translate pdf? |
| 02:52.48 | lukfugl | those are some talented CS players |
| 03:07.51 | Sargun_Screen | I'm hungry. |
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| 03:43.26 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 03:43.26 | brac | attempts to hotswap elg's RAM |
| 03:43.37 | lukfugl | -chat ~lart |
| 03:43.38 | brac | ~lart went |
| 03:43.38 | ibot | nukes went with a single large nuke |
| 03:43.52 | lukfugl | -chat ~lart |
| 03:43.52 | brac | ~lart went |
| 03:43.52 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats went until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 03:44.07 | lukfugl | brac, where did you learn the chain "~lart went"? |
| 03:44.08 | brac | you best check yo'self! |
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| 03:45.18 | lukfugl | -chat ~lart |
| 03:45.18 | brac | ~lart went |
| 03:45.18 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats went until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 03:45.25 | lukfugl | bah |
| 03:45.39 | lukfugl | -chat ~whaleslap |
| 03:45.39 | brac | ~whaleslap is |
| 03:45.40 | ibot | ACTION beats is upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:46.02 | lukfugl | brac: you can't lart or whaleslap a verb |
| 03:47.14 | lukfugl | -chat #utah is |
| 03:47.14 | brac | #utah is a parody religion that's not a DNS record entries |
| 03:47.33 | lukfugl | -chat superdell |
| 03:47.33 | brac | superdell is behind the scenes at OMTR to pull them all of them aren't ready is getting a Linux/*nix Sysadmin job :) |
| 03:47.58 | lukfugl | takes his boredome elsewhere and stops abusing brac |
| 03:49.00 | elg | -chat i only |
| 03:49.01 | brac | i only vaguely recognize the reference. |
| 03:49.26 | elg | when you only give him one word, he seeds it with rand from [went,is,was,did,etc.] |
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| 03:56.09 | Sargun_Screen | 0xffff |
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| 04:07.02 | levi | So, I see there was no real debate-related chat here. |
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| 04:34.23 | Sargun_Screen | T-minus 48 hours from live wire. |
| 04:34.41 | Sargun_Screen | All global propogating changes are stuck. |
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| 07:57.55 | spencer | anyone here? |
| 07:58.55 | jackman | I am! |
| 07:59.06 | spencer | lol any girls? |
| 07:59.43 | jackman | umm... |
| 07:59.49 | jackman | I think ou're looking in the wrong place. |
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| 08:00.42 | spencer | take that as a no.. |
| 08:02.05 | levi | I had an old roommate like that. |
| 08:02.45 | levi | He'd get on IRC looking for girls, chat with them a bunch, email back and forth (using my account) and then stop writing when he'd get a picture and they didn't meet his standards. |
| 08:03.48 | jackman | lol |
| 08:03.52 | jackman | intense |
| 08:04.11 | jackman | I met my fiancee at a boy scout event. :) |
| 08:05.17 | RyanE | I think that was a Brady Bunch episode... :) |
| 08:07.02 | jackman | lol |
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| 14:39.02 | tensai | elg: yes, he noticed the 90° air blowing right on his neck |
| 14:39.40 | elg | pity. if he had been a bit further away it would have just seemed like he was having hot flashes or something |
| 14:51.28 | tensai | that's why I think he really had no clue. it was so obvious and intrusive. if you did it on purpose you'd be more sneaky. |
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| 15:57.41 | lukfugl | -lart elg |
| 15:57.41 | brac | resizes elg's terminal to 40x24 |
| 15:59.43 | elg | -chat lukfugl has |
| 15:59.44 | brac | lukfugl has |
| 15:59.56 | elg | lukfugl has a zombie |
| 16:00.00 | elg | -chat lukfugl has |
| 16:00.00 | brac | lukfugl has a pretty big assumption] |
| 16:00.01 | lukfugl | -chat lukfugl is |
| 16:00.01 | brac | lukfugl is ripe |
| 16:00.17 | lukfugl | elg: I second the chonmage suggestion, btw |
| 16:01.05 | elg | too late, buahaha |
| 16:01.14 | lukfugl | buzz? shave? |
| 16:01.17 | elg | 1" |
| 16:01.21 | elg | just posted pics on my blog |
| 16:01.28 | elg | not quite a buzz, but just the beginning |
| 16:02.00 | lukfugl | hmm, http://hans.fugal.net/blog/ gives an infinite redirect |
| 16:02.13 | elg | try without the trailing slash |
| 16:02.27 | elg | stupid passenger clashes with the alias module or something |
| 16:02.29 | lukfugl | works |
| 16:02.50 | lukfugl | you'll want to fix the link on the site logo |
| 16:02.56 | lukfugl | that's how I got the former |
| 16:03.38 | elg | yeah, if i knew how to fix it... |
| 16:04.03 | levi | elg: So, what's your opinion on the debate last night? |
| 16:04.11 | elg | haven't watched it yet |
| 16:04.37 | elg | but i predict mccain spent the night acting like a bulldog and obama spent the night rolling his eyes |
| 16:04.44 | lukfugl | I loved the question on negative campaigning |
| 16:05.05 | levi | I was annoyed at the 'Joe the Plumber' stuff. |
| 16:05.09 | lukfugl | yeah, me too |
| 16:05.19 | unum | me too |
| 16:05.39 | levi | I had seen video of the conversation Obama had with Joe, and I thought he handled it very well. |
| 16:05.48 | unum | I like how they both used the question on negative campaigning to attack each other |
| 16:06.09 | unum | McCain claimed Joe would be creating jobs by buying an already existing company |
| 16:06.28 | lukfugl | yeah, that confused me |
| 16:06.36 | levi | It's not even clear to me that Joe would be paying more in taxes. |
| 16:07.40 | levi | We never got enough details to fully analyze it. In Obama's response to Joe, he mentioned that he couldn't say for sure how his plan would affect him because he didn't have all the details, and then answered on the assumption that it would. |
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| 16:10.36 | jshipley | So was Joe an actual person? I was assuming that he was some fictional character being used to make a point. |
| 16:10.59 | levi | Apparently Joe was not impressed, though, since he had an interview with Fox News right afterward and claimed Obama was insinuating that he was a peasant. |
| 16:11.08 | lukfugl | that's what I thought too, and then they had him on the news afterwards |
| 16:11.15 | lukfugl | except they cut him off because they were out of time :) |
| 16:11.40 | lukfugl | cbs is where I saw it. maybe they had different joe plumbers |
| 16:11.48 | levi | No, there's one Joe. |
| 16:12.30 | lukfugl | hmm, I never heard a peasant like insinuation |
| 16:12.34 | levi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA&eurl=http://www.google.com/reader/view/ |
| 16:12.56 | levi | lukfugl: It was made in an interview with Joe by Fox News shortly after Obama had talked to Joe. |
| 16:13.13 | levi | The YouTube link is Obama's encounter with Joe. |
| 16:20.33 | levi | Ouch, unfortunate picture: http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Republican-presidential-nominee-shaking-hands-Senator-Barack-Obama-presidential-debate/photo//081016/ids_photos_ts/r1772410910.jpg/;_ylt=AujAY6EXHmMQy5Zsha09SbsDW7oF |
| 16:21.42 | lukfugl | hmm. I'm a small business that's making $250,000 and I want to grow it to $350,000 over a year. Obama's plan taxes the $100,000 at a 3% higher rate. Impact: $3,000 dollars extra in taxes. Obama's plan also eliminates the capital gains tax on the growth. If I were a small business I think I'd take that tradeoff |
| 16:25.31 | elg | how much of that money are you pocketing? |
| 16:25.37 | unum | I think they guys problem was that he was working for a "small business" and trying to buy it. He currently made $250,000 a year |
| 16:25.44 | unum | and was saving up to buy the business |
| 16:25.59 | unum | obama will increase his taxes meaning it will take him longer to buy the business |
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| 16:26.52 | levi | unum: I got the impression that the business itself was worth $250k, not that he made that much. |
| 16:27.03 | levi | That, or the business does $250k of revenue. |
| 16:27.07 | elg | i'm all for fairness in taxes (i.e. I like the flat tax idea), but just because you're a plumber doesn't make $250k/yr a small sum of money |
| 16:27.29 | unum | mccain made it sound like they were taxing gross income |
| 16:27.34 | unum | which the government doesn't do |
| 16:28.16 | elg | so i'm not going to sit here and say "oh, poor plumber can't buy a business" any more than i'll say "oh, poor professor can't quite afford that airplane" |
| 16:28.30 | elg | s/professor/MIT professor/ |
| 16:28.44 | levi | The thing is, he *can* afford to buy the business. He is just whining about his taxes going up afterward. |
| 16:28.51 | Jayce^ | no, the business makes more than 250k, which depending on how it's setup ,can get you taxed at really nasty levels |
| 16:28.53 | levi | Which I'm not convinced they would. |
| 16:29.18 | unum | hmm I'm looking at the transcript and I can't tell what's going on |
| 16:29.24 | Jayce^ | especially when you are the owner, and you have to pay yourself from the company, which can double your taxes unless you play games |
| 16:29.53 | elg | so if a business is making over 250k (take home), is it small? of course compared to a big corporation it is, but it's not like a struggling mom and pop corner store or something |
| 16:30.21 | Jayce^ | 250k, with say a couple employees, is not all that much.. |
| 16:30.25 | unum | he says he can't hirer people because of "higher taxes" but if you don't pay your income tax on money you give to other people |
| 16:30.39 | elg | right, which is why i asked if that's take home or after expenses |
| 16:30.43 | Jayce^ | unum, lots of taxes other than income tax.. |
| 16:30.57 | Jayce^ | business taxes per employee is very high, and growing with either candidate |
| 16:31.13 | unum | Jayce^: do you mean payroll taxes |
| 16:31.16 | unum | or other taxes |
| 16:31.19 | Jayce^ | both |
| 16:31.30 | unum | what federal taxes do you need to pay on gross besides payroll taxes |
| 16:31.35 | unum | and tariffs |
| 16:31.58 | Jayce^ | since obama especially has been playing games with the definition of taxes in his proposals.. now there are new "credits, refunds, etc" |
| 16:32.13 | unum | those are tax breaks not taxes |
| 16:32.17 | unum | and they are both doing that |
| 16:32.34 | Jayce^ | actually they aren't, the way they are accounted for, and how it adjusts what you have to pay |
| 16:32.35 | unum | gets screwed by mccains plan |
| 16:32.48 | unum | but they are not new taxes |
| 16:32.55 | Jayce^ | gets screwed by either, but given existing proposals, more by obamas |
| 16:32.58 | unum | they just changed the code to existing payroll taxes |
| 16:33.08 | unum | wow you make a lot more money than me |
| 16:33.13 | Jayce^ | unum, they are totally new taxes, just different in verbage |
| 16:33.44 | unum | I think you and I use the term "new taxes" differently |
| 16:33.50 | Jayce^ | the average person who makes over 40k can be losing up to 40 cents per dollar over given obama's plan |
| 16:34.07 | unum | how's that? |
| 16:34.13 | levi | Jayce^: Where are you getting your information on Obama's tax plan from? |
| 16:34.30 | unum | mccain.com :) |
| 16:34.42 | Jayce^ | wsj had a decent breakdown the other day, they have done articles on both |
| 16:36.09 | levi | Can you point me at a specific article? Because I've never seen one that's said that. |
| 16:36.22 | unum | I can't find it either |
| 16:36.40 | Jayce^ | starts a search in his browser history.. |
| 16:38.12 | unum | I guess mccain give the tax credit for health care(my employer pays the full amount) |
| 16:38.23 | unum | and then mccain taxes that credit or something like that |
| 16:38.35 | levi | No, he taxes employee health benefits. |
| 16:38.48 | unum | ya I really don't understand it |
| 16:39.02 | unum | but I know his tax cuts won't go to me. |
| 16:39.21 | Jayce^ | yeah, but another annoying "refundable" credit |
| 16:40.06 | unum | http://utahamicus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/sarah-palin-flw-chart.jpg |
| 16:40.34 | Jayce^ | unum, I do know the majority of obama's "Credits" only apply to those under $40k a year, a dollar over, and you lose them all.. but that income range is also in the bottom third that actually doesn't pay taxes, but overall receives a check for > the amount input.. |
| 16:42.28 | high_roller | The problem with tax cuts and credits is that most people that make little money don't have the smarts or motivation to get those back. |
| 16:42.37 | unum | you said a credit was a "new tax" not a way of redistributing money |
| 16:42.39 | levi | The 'Make Work Pay' credit starts phasing out at $75k for individuals and $150k for couples. |
| 16:43.05 | high_roller | I've paid little federal income taxes over the past few years because of the credits and such |
| 16:43.06 | levi | http://wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html |
| 16:43.21 | levi | I believe that's the article Jayce^ got the 40 cents per dollar at $40k stat from. |
| 16:43.56 | unum | I pay a lower percentage of federal taxes now then I have in the past despite making more money |
| 16:44.12 | high_roller | state taxes on the other hand ... |
| 16:44.16 | unum | I'm starting to agree with my mom, we don't agree on much, we need a flat tax |
| 16:45.52 | jsmith | Hey... all I can say is that it's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for |
| 16:46.29 | unum | wow the wsj really is a conservative mouth piece |
| 16:46.37 | Jayce^ | levi, that's not the one, though I have read that one.. basically representing the case outside their 'magic family situation' that makes their numbers look best. if you don't meet every specific situation that earns the numbers they promise (and yes, all parties suck at that, we all know) |
| 16:46.38 | unum | atleast they get their terms right :) |
| 16:46.56 | Jayce^ | unum, how nice to write it off like that :) must be evil if you don't like it :) |
| 16:46.59 | unum | 40% of the federal budget comes from other payroll taxes not income taxes |
| 16:47.54 | unum | so to talk about how a third of people don't pay income taxes makes it sound like they don't contribute to the federal budget |
| 16:47.59 | Jayce^ | unum, it absolutely does.. face it, last year, exxon paid more in income tax than 1/3 of americans combined. and obama wants to add a windfall tax on that to "redistribute the wealth" |
| 16:48.30 | Jayce^ | unum, and that's not in their payroll tax, that's in the taxes on the company itself |
| 16:48.32 | unum | but that doesn't mean they paid more federal taxes |
| 16:48.45 | unum | but that's money the company could be paying me |
| 16:48.58 | unum | even when I made $7 an hour I was paying about 15% in taxes |
| 16:49.23 | unum | but the wsj doesn't count that as paying taxes, because it's not "income tax" |
| 16:49.35 | Jayce^ | at $7 an hour, you would qualify to get it all back |
| 16:49.51 | unum | it depends |
| 16:50.03 | unum | not if I was living at home |
| 16:50.15 | unum | but the wsj would still say I didn't pay into the federal budget |
| 16:50.50 | unum | actually does earned income tax credit count for single people? |
| 16:50.52 | Jayce^ | with those rules in place, you would get more back than you put in |
| 16:50.58 | unum | also I could only get half of it back |
| 16:51.25 | unum | because my company paid the other half(but that's still money they could have given me if they didn't have to pay taxes on it) |
| 16:52.24 | Jayce^ | and yet we're told we should tax them *more* under these plans, because that'll encourage success somehow.. |
| 16:53.46 | mrpull | GOOOD MORNIN! |
| 16:53.48 | unum | I wasn't arguing about that. I was just stating the wsj's article is intentianly misleading |
| 16:53.54 | mrpull | feels like Friday. |
| 16:53.57 | jsmith | All news is biased |
| 16:54.03 | mrpull | can somebody make it Friday for me? |
| 16:54.03 | Jayce^ | mrpull, yesterday ways.. |
| 16:54.22 | Jayce^ | unum, I think it shed's more light, yet unlike most places, note *where* that article is filed.. |
| 16:54.28 | Jayce^ | prepares for a meeting.... |
| 16:54.55 | Jayce^ | mrpull, yesterday WAS (felt like friday, now I feel like I'm working on a weekend) |
| 16:55.26 | mrpull | I'm giddy for BYU football tonight. So I guess it could feel like working on Saturday. |
| 16:55.32 | mrpull | cranks up some Primus |
| 16:58.03 | unum | now I see what they mean by 40 cents on the dollar |
| 16:58.46 | unum | what they mean is if you get a pay raise of a dollar an hour you effectively get a pay raise of 60 cents because will be less eligble for tax cuts |
| 16:58.55 | elg | flat tax ftw |
| 16:58.57 | levi | unum: It means 40 cents on the dollar of *tax credits* is lost as your income goes up. |
| 16:59.06 | unum | but since I'm already in the 30% bracket that's only a ten percent increase for me |
| 16:59.12 | elg | of course income tax itself would have curled the founding fathers' socks |
| 16:59.13 | unum | levi: right |
| 16:59.40 | unum | but I'm not sure it really applies to me since I'm above $40,000 |
| 17:00.00 | lukfugl | elg: agreed |
| 17:00.05 | levi | unum: I'd like to see where they got their cutoff and percentage reduction information from. |
| 17:00.36 | levi | unum: All I see is scary graphs and verbage without sources. |
| 17:00.46 | unum | I think the wsj argument is that poor people will continue to be lazy and poor since they are only getting a 60 cent pay raise instead of a $1 pay raise |
| 17:01.11 | unum | levi: their main source is a non-profit dedicated to arguing against this sort of thing |
| 17:01.30 | unum | Tax Policy Center |
| 17:01.53 | levi | I'm *looking* at the taxpolicycenter.org site, and it doesn't say anything like what Jayce^ said. |
| 17:03.59 | unum | so people under $250k right now will get a tax cut. but as you get pay raises you will lose part of that tax cut making the pay raise less effective |
| 17:04.10 | levi | Right. |
| 17:04.12 | unum | in my case it's about 3% less effective |
| 17:04.28 | elg | that's math for you |
| 17:04.33 | unum | for the 40k it is most dramatic |
| 17:04.43 | tensai | down with math! |
| 17:05.30 | elg | and if relative tax went down for the rich, your raises would be überraises |
| 17:05.38 | elg | the only case where this wouldn't happen is a flat tax |
| 17:05.47 | levi | Or regressive tax. |
| 17:05.58 | unum | social security is a regressive tax |
| 17:05.59 | jsmith | repressive tax? |
| 17:06.07 | unum | so is sales tax, and sin taxes |
| 17:06.44 | levi | Anyway, Jayce^'s suggestion that he would get screwed under the Obama tax plan seems to be soundly refuted by taxpolicycenter.org's analysis. |
| 17:06.48 | unum | graduated income taxes are the only progressive taxs I'm aware of, and with our loop holes I question that |
| 17:06.50 | elg | levi: i'm not clear, are you equating flat tax with regressive tax or are you saying regressive tax is the flip side of my überraises scenario? |
| 17:06.54 | levi | Unless he makes a lot more money than I think he does. |
| 17:06.59 | unum | I pay a lower rate now than in the past despite making more money |
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| 17:07.31 | levi | elg: Well, some would consider a flat tax regressive, but I mean a tax plan where marginal rates are higher at lower incomes. |
| 17:07.45 | Jayce^ | quickly chimes in from a meeting "small business owner" makes a huge difference |
| 17:08.08 | Jayce^ | but yeah, if we *have* to have an income tax (queue arguments) then flat needs to be there |
| 17:08.20 | Jayce^ | tries to go back to paying attention to the meeting |
| 17:08.27 | levi | I'm all for progressive taxation. |
| 17:08.30 | elg | sends harleypig to help Jayce^ focus |
| 17:08.48 | elg | i could be convinced to support a progressive tax plan that had a reasonable slope |
| 17:08.49 | unum | I don't think the loop holes really serve a purpose |
| 17:08.53 | unum | and are largely unfair |
| 17:09.13 | unum | I really wonder if the poor wouldn't be better off under a flat tax |
| 17:10.07 | goozbach | elg: go 0 |
| 17:10.11 | goozbach | bic or bust! |
| 17:10.23 | elg | goozbach: that's my plan |
| 17:10.27 | elg | much to my wife's chagrin |
| 17:10.39 | unum | I think all of the loop holes allow the rich to get out pay a lot of taxes and the poor don't always know to take advantage of those things |
| 17:10.41 | goozbach | ahh, you're leading up to it |
| 17:10.54 | elg | yeah, documenting the lengths for future diy hairstylists |
| 17:11.07 | levi | unum: A progressive tax structure doesn't require loopholes for the rich. |
| 17:11.14 | tensai | elg: buy copious amounts of sunblock |
| 17:11.26 | elg | yes, i realize that. but only when i go outside ;-) |
| 17:11.36 | tensai | so just twice a year? |
| 17:11.37 | elg | or i could start wearing a hat |
| 17:11.41 | elg | right |
| 17:11.48 | tensai | is that the same days you bathe? |
| 17:12.13 | elg | no, it's the days harley bathes |
| 17:13.12 | levi | Tax Policy Center says "several hundred thousand small business owners, at most, would have incomes high enough to be affected by the higher rates on imcome, captial gains, and dividends that Obama proposes." |
| 17:14.15 | unum | levi: I agree with that, I just meant in comparison to our current system |
| 17:15.12 | elg | a reasonable progressive slope may be called for when one recognizes that 1% of my income / my disposable income is a larger ration than 1% bill gates income / his disposable income |
| 17:15.38 | levi | elg: That's exactly the point of a progressive tax. |
| 17:15.43 | elg | which by itself isn't a reason, but when disposable income goes to 0 or lower, then it does |
| 17:16.22 | elg | so it could be flat after a point, and progressive up to that point, or it could have a reasonable slope all the way up, whatever. but either way it should be simple |
| 17:16.45 | lukfugl | parabolic at worst ;) |
| 17:16.55 | elg | and i'm not necessarily convinced it would be necessary, except at the low end (where it could be addressed with credits I suppose) |
| 17:17.04 | elg | but i see the argument |
| 17:17.58 | goozbach | so do any of you make the "power up sound" when you boot new hardware, or is that just me? |
| 17:17.58 | elg | i know, we could tax everyone so that they have $15 disposable income every month! |
| 17:18.53 | levi | elg: No one's arguing for that. |
| 17:19.03 | elg | i know, i'm being hyperbolic |
| 17:19.08 | levi | Ahhh. |
| 17:19.11 | elg | or perhaps parabolic ;-) |
| 17:19.19 | harleypig | anabolic? |
| 17:19.21 | Tene | goozbach: do you ever make a "power up sound" when you put on your shoes? |
| 17:19.28 | harleypig | hypobolic? |
| 17:19.38 | elg | that's the logical extension of the democrat definition of fairness though, is it not? |
| 17:19.43 | elg | well, not $15 obviously |
| 17:19.47 | elg | nobody wants only $15 |
| 17:19.58 | tensai | takes elg's $15 |
| 17:20.00 | elg | but if I said $3k, then you have negative taxes for the poor |
| 17:20.11 | elg | which kind of ruins the hyperbole |
| 17:21.02 | unum | I lean towards a parabolic tax. |
| 17:21.41 | unum | and no child exemptions or filing jointly crap. if you have kids you pay for them. |
| 17:22.00 | lukfugl | unum: just go exponential |
| 17:22.17 | lukfugl | after all, if the money supply is... ;) |
| 17:22.41 | jsmith | rolls his eyes |
| 17:22.58 | levi | elg: There's the slippery slope fallacy at work. :) |
| 17:22.58 | elg | rolls jsmith's eyes back to him |
| 17:23.23 | elg | well how am i supposed to get hyperbolic without using any fallacies? |
| 17:23.52 | levi | I'm not sure. Carry on, then. :) |
| 17:24.01 | elg | but seriously, I do feel that "fair" is the wrong word for the democratic propensity for progressive tax |
| 17:24.41 | elg | it's not "fair". it's "nice". or "duty" perhaps. or "compassionate" or whatever |
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| 17:27.36 | levi | Well, it depends on how you define "fair". |
| 17:28.52 | elg | right. "that kid has a sucker and I don't" sure seems unfair to a 4 year old |
| 17:29.00 | levi | Huh, I went to Merriam Webster and saw a gigantic LDS church ad. It's got kind of a khaki background with the church logo and 'TRUTH RESTORED' beneath it. |
| 17:29.31 | elg | fair is avery nebulous word |
| 17:29.40 | elg | which is why it makes a great word for politics |
| 17:29.46 | levi | Yeah. |
| 17:29.58 | tensai | elg: who is Avery Nebulous? |
| 17:30.15 | elg | a politician that labels things |
| 17:30.29 | harleypig | sounds like a proto-villain |
| 17:33.06 | unum | it does |
| 17:33.42 | elg | i had a fun thought experiment the other day. what if a chunk of near-center politicians broke off into a third party that embraced the center of the bell curve and took no hard stance on the polarizing issues. that could be fun to watch |
| 17:34.04 | harleypig | unum: what's wrong with child exemptions? |
| 17:34.40 | unum | elg:most of the people I know in utah need to know that politicians are "against abortion and gay rights" |
| 17:34.47 | unum | other wise they will not vote for them |
| 17:35.14 | elg | yeah, and many of the people in california hold the opposite POV |
| 17:36.30 | elg | the thought experiment is, are there enough people who aren't polarized in the center of the bell curve? |
| 17:36.30 | unum | harleypig: I don't think the government should be incetiving having kids |
| 17:36.30 | elg | utah is a largely polarized state, obviously |
| 17:36.30 | unum | ya |
| 17:36.30 | unum | it makes me so mad that people don't even try to undstand where a democrat really stands |
| 17:36.46 | unum | the other day someone tried to tell me obama was a leader in legalizing partial birth abortions and had written a bill to do so |
| 17:36.51 | harleypig | unum: are you a zero populationist? |
| 17:36.55 | unum | the truth of course was what was said last night |
| 17:37.02 | levi | According to the poll aggregation at electoral-vote.org, Utah has the lowest percentage support for Obama, by far. |
| 17:37.11 | harleypig | unum: no politician ever speaks the truth. |
| 17:37.15 | unum | harleypig: no. If people want kids they should have them. the government doesn't need to promote it |
| 17:37.24 | harleypig | ah |
| 17:37.36 | unum | harleypig: but he has never introduced a bill to try and legalize abortions |
| 17:37.40 | unum | the record is clear on that |
| 17:38.02 | goozbach | BUHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! do you hear me? BUYAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!1111oneoneoneeleventeen |
| 17:38.19 | goozbach | just got his unsupported sfp modules working! |
| 17:38.22 | harleypig | unum: I'm not arguing about the abortion stuff. |
| 17:38.26 | goozbach | take that cisco! |
| 17:38.46 | unum | I wish someday the republicans in this state would realize most other republicans hate them |
| 17:38.47 | lukfugl | levi: the number's I've seen had idaho even more red |
| 17:38.54 | lukfugl | but utah is close to reddest, yes |
| 17:39.09 | levi | lukfugl: Depends on where you look. Utah is reddest on electoral-vote.org |
| 17:39.20 | unum | harleypig: ya people should learn to do research and not trust either party |
| 17:39.59 | elg | but groupthink is so much fun! |
| 17:40.08 | tensai | where was that article I read the other day? it commented that political parties now behave more like sports team fans. |
| 17:40.13 | unum | elg: true |
| 17:40.30 | unum | I really respect mccain for correcting that woman |
| 17:40.35 | harleypig | unum: the problem is, even when people do research, most people are upset when the same views are not reached. |
| 17:40.42 | unum | harleypig: true |
| 17:40.55 | unum | we tend to rationalize the ones that disagree with us |
| 17:41.06 | harleypig | or demonize |
| 17:41.18 | unum | things like "it's in the wsj" so of course they are going to slant things |
| 17:42.13 | lukfugl | unum: mccain woman correction? |
| 17:42.33 | lukfugl | I am not familiar with the referenced event... |
| 17:42.57 | unum | lukfugl: a woman said obama was an "arab" and mccain told her he was good guy and a family man |
| 17:43.22 | unum | of course I'm sure mccain relized she thought arab=terrorist |
| 17:43.33 | elg | see topic |
| 17:43.38 | lukfugl | ah |
| 17:43.51 | elg | some people think white bald guys are terrorists too, which is why i'm shaving my head! |
| 17:44.00 | unum | and he didn't correct her on her racist comment |
| 17:44.14 | unum | but it's hard to think that fast on your feet |
| 17:44.27 | elg | you know , terrorist didn't always equate middle easterner |
| 17:44.28 | unum | at the palin rallies people have been reported to shout out "kill him" |
| 17:44.38 | tensai | elg: come visit idaho. we love white bald terrorists |
| 17:44.38 | elg | see superman 2 for example |
| 17:44.43 | elg | french terrorists |
| 17:44.52 | elg | fat and bald even, iirc |
| 17:44.57 | elg | see oklahoma city |
| 17:45.01 | harleypig | tensai: I often get told to go back to afghanistan ... I should try it |
| 17:45.06 | lukfugl | weren't they south american in BTTF? |
| 17:45.07 | harleypig | visiting idaho |
| 17:45.24 | elg | bttf - is that some starcraft extension? |
| 17:45.24 | unum | no they were middle easter in bttf |
| 17:45.31 | unum | lebonese irrc |
| 17:45.36 | lukfugl | ah, ok |
| 17:45.39 | levi | elg: It still doesn't equate with middle easterners. Witness the Bill Ayers stuff. |
| 17:45.40 | lukfugl | back to the future |
| 17:45.52 | elg | oh yeah. but they were trying to build nuclear bomb terrorists |
| 17:46.06 | elg | white bald people already have nucular bombs |
| 17:47.02 | elg | levi: true, but that was in the past and i believe the word they use (or at least, that people think) is radical or violent radical |
| 17:49.04 | elg | wikipedia says bttf were libyan |
| 17:49.08 | levi | Well, that was the word they used to use. Now when you talk about Bill Ayers with intention to associate him with Obama, it's all terrorist. |
| 17:49.46 | levi | I.e. 'palling around with terrorists' |
| 17:50.44 | unum | I got the first letter right |
| 17:53.12 | elg | yeah, that's the spin. i'm talking about the general populace though |
| 17:53.40 | elg | pushed along by 9/11 hysteria over 7 years |
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| 17:54.45 | Sargun_Screen | I love my N810 |
| 17:55.16 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: does it love you back? |
| 17:55.51 | Sargun_Screen | of course |
| 17:56.30 | unum | wow lessig is jumping on the band wagon to get rid of the commision for presidential debates. I hope more people can be made aware of that over the next four years. |
| 18:12.29 | levi | http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Joe-the-Plumber.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin |
| 18:12.32 | brac | ['Joe the Plumber' Says He Has No Plumbing License - NYTimes.com] |
| 18:14.50 | elg | joe the wannabe plumber? |
| 18:15.49 | levi | And the $250-$280k figure is the purchase price of the plumbing business, not taxable income. |
| 18:22.08 | elg | heh, this 419 has a wikipedia link to the dude who supposedly died |
| 18:22.58 | fozzmoo | I don't know who I'm going to vote for in this year's presidential race. |
| 18:23.07 | fozzmoo | I don't know if it will be the democrat... |
| 18:23.09 | fozzmoo | or the socialist. |
| 18:23.36 | fozzmoo | sighs |
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| 18:26.35 | levi | http://trekmovie.com/2008/10/15/more-star-trek-images-enterprise-crew-nero/ |
| 18:27.41 | levi | fozzmoo: Take comfort in the fact that it doesn't matter who you vote for. We know very well who the Utah electors will vote for. Vote Constitution or Libertarian, if you think they're worthy. |
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| 18:32.26 | elg | heh cool |
| 18:32.34 | mrpullThePlumber | GARRR. I have 4 different family members that need "tech support" urgently |
| 18:32.45 | elg | it looks like it could possibly not suck |
| 18:32.51 | jackman | do they pay well? |
| 18:32.51 | levi | Given the current state of the economy, tax cuts for the wealthy are *stupid*. Our economy is 70% or so consumer-driven. Cutting taxes for rich people will not create jobs right now, because jobs are going away due to the public spending less. And they spend less because real income has gone down, and they're at the end of the rope for debt-spending. |
| 18:33.13 | elg | bones, uhura, sulu seem to be good picks. scotty at least stands like scotty |
| 18:33.22 | levi | mrpullThePlumber: You're a tech-plumber? |
| 18:33.23 | elg | the boy band curly haired russian? left field |
| 18:33.42 | elg | kirk doesn't look kirk, but really the acting will define whether kirk is kirk |
| 18:34.14 | jackman | elg: is there a new star trek coming out? |
| 18:34.19 | elg | ya |
| 18:34.23 | elg | directed by jj abrams |
| 18:34.42 | elg | that lost dude |
| 18:35.41 | jackman | ah |
| 18:35.43 | elg | wikipedia and imdb have pages, though I haven't read them. |
| 18:35.44 | jackman | due in 2009 |
| 18:35.46 | jackman | not too far away |
| 18:36.54 | jackman | elg: do you have a link? |
| 18:37.33 | elg | -google star trek abrams |
| 18:37.34 | brac | star trek abrams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_XI |
| 18:38.40 | jackman | lol! Simon Pegg! |
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| 18:42.38 | sjansen | elg: Well, as you can see this report of the findings isn't very enlightening, but it does tell us that yes if your mom's dad and brothers are bald you have increased "risk" (so no, contrary to what you might have read (but probably haven't), it's not a myth), but just because your mom's dad isn't bald doesn't mean you might not be. |
| 18:42.48 | sjansen | elg: That is a sentence that only a programmer could love. |
| 18:42.55 | sjansen | Most likely a list programmer. |
| 18:43.04 | elg | :) |
| 18:43.09 | levi | I don't even love it. |
| 18:43.12 | sjansen | s/list/lisp/ |
| 18:43.32 | elg | yeah, not my shiningest moment |
| 18:44.03 | elg | although I did chuckle as I finished it. "doesn't mean you might not be" as if anyone would not know if they were bald |
| 18:44.10 | elg | wait, i know a lot of combover people who apparently don't know... |
| 18:45.25 | jackman | lmao |
| 18:46.13 | sjansen | elg: The last two times I've looked at your pictures, I've though "that man looks like he should be a college professor". |
| 18:46.54 | sjansen | So let me ask now, when you get your PhD will you share the love with your #utah friends by helping us get into the coolest night clubs? |
| 18:47.30 | levi | Or how about helping us get into the grad school you eventually teach at? ;) |
| 18:47.45 | tensai | I just want money |
| 18:47.48 | elg | maybe sjansen thinks grad school is a night club |
| 18:48.41 | levi | Well, I know people that used to spend the night in the CAEDM labs at BYU. |
| 18:48.42 | elg | i would certainly be open to writing letters of recommendation, which might help whether or not i teach at the school you're applying to |
| 18:49.02 | elg | i was always jealous of caedm being open all night and the cs labs not |
| 18:49.02 | levi | I'm probably not going to be applying soon, unfortunately. |
| 18:49.12 | elg | not that i'd usually stay there all night, but maybe past the cs labs closing time |
| 18:49.25 | elg | i'm probably not going to be a professor soon, for some definition of soon |
| 18:49.43 | levi | Ammon would bring a box of cereal and sleep under the desk or something. |
| 18:49.45 | tensai | I was most annoyed by the cs labs closing for devotionals |
| 18:50.07 | elg | it's possible i'll get a professor job right off, but that would probably require me publishing something as well as finishing my dissertation, and time is tight for that. (publishing is a rather elongated process) |
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| 18:50.44 | elg | right now i'm thinking industry for at least a few years, publish a little on the side, then if i feel like it apply to schools |
| 18:51.33 | levi | Sounds like a reasonable strategy. |
| 18:51.48 | levi | Industry experience is probably seen as valuable in CS education. |
| 18:54.44 | elg | at the moment i'm gravitating toward something in scientific computing - aerospace or meteorology |
| 18:55.00 | elg | or of course I could find something doing audio/dsp. we'll see how sick of it i am ;-) |
| 18:55.09 | elg | and then there's google. got to apply there |
| 18:55.11 | levi | So, large-scale parallel simulation programs? |
| 18:55.15 | elg | right |
| 18:56.41 | levi | Could be interesting, but I'm not crazy about C + MPI libraries. |
| 18:56.45 | elg | although my research isn't in that, i feel generally competent (or could come up to speed) in it. DSP otoh, although my research is in it and I am essentially immersed in it, I still feel not very good at it |
| 18:57.42 | elg | which i think makes my phd earning experience more valuable (for me) - more of a personal stretch. |
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| 19:34.38 | RyanE | tensai: the lab TAs didn't like the fact that they closed for devotionals, either... At least we didn't when I worked there. |
| 19:35.13 | tensai | I recall a few times when we waited for everyone to leave and then shut the doors |
| 19:35.31 | tensai | while we stayed behind to work, I should add |
| 19:35.38 | RyanE | yeah, been there, done that. |
| 19:35.54 | tensai | what was that TA's name. he was the weirdest typist ever. |
| 19:35.57 | RyanE | working in the lab was conducive to getting homework done. |
| 19:36.09 | tensai | it was more like keyboard mashing |
| 19:36.11 | RyanE | (of course, that was pre-internet, so it may have changed) |
| 19:37.04 | unum | close to finals a lot of usu labs were open 24=7 |
| 19:37.10 | unum | 27/7 |
| 19:37.36 | RyanE | That 3 extra hours a day would come in handy... :) |
| 19:38.38 | unum | ya it would |
| 19:38.46 | unum | that why the implemented it |
| 19:38.49 | unum | :) |
| 19:39.26 | unum | none of that when God made the world he only created 24 hours stuff. so we can just add extra hours as needed. |
| 19:43.06 | lukfugl | http://upsidedowndogs.com/ |
| 20:04.45 | levi | This C code style annoys me: |
| 20:05.09 | levi | E_AUDIO_SAMPLECLOCKS_TYPE eClocksPerSample = SAMPLECLOCKS_32; /* 32 clocks per sample */ |
| 20:06.19 | lukfugl | just trying to keep up with java, levi ;) |
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| 20:41.43 | jackman | Are there any perl guys in the room? |
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| 20:42.14 | mrpullThePlumber | probably. just ask. |
| 20:43.50 | jackman | Would anyone be willing to help me out with installing DBD::Sybase? |
| 20:43.54 | jackman | from CPAN? |
| 20:44.00 | jackman | It's a bit involved... |
| 20:44.09 | jackman | Not really a thing one just puts out there, you know. |
| 20:44.53 | jackman | I have to repeat the error and I'll report back. |
| 20:49.52 | harleypig | monkey's fisting joyfully! |
| 20:50.14 | harleypig | seen as a random phrase to enter as a captcha |
| 20:50.55 | whiteinge | haha |
| 20:50.56 | harleypig | jackman: I'll see what I can do, but I've never installed DBD::Sybase |
| 20:55.52 | tensai | I use dbd::sybase all the time, but I install it from debian package |
| 20:55.53 | harleypig | http://loscuatroojos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/poledancing.jpg |
| 20:56.03 | harleypig | sfw |
| 20:56.24 | tensai | safe maybe, but not pleasant |
| 20:58.30 | harleypig | yeah, but you had a hint right (the fact that I posted the url)? |
| 20:59.00 | mrpullThePlumber | jackman: as tensai hints, why not use your distro's packages? |
| 20:59.32 | jackman | as far as i can tell, gentoo relies on CPAN for perl modules |
| 21:00.11 | mrpullThePlumber | <adam savage voice> There's your problem |
| 21:00.23 | mrpullThePlumber | ( I realize that isn't very helpful ) |
| 21:00.24 | jackman | oh ya? |
| 21:00.43 | jackman | well, let's move on to a more immediate problem... (sorry to detract) |
| 21:01.08 | jackman | I just set up gentoo on my machine here and grub refuses to place itself. |
| 21:01.32 | harleypig | jackman: have you tried emerge dbd-sybase (or whatever the structure is, I can't remember) |
| 21:01.54 | jackman | using grub-install, I get Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device |
| 21:01.54 | harleypig | or, failing that, g-cpan should be able to help ou |
| 21:02.01 | jackman | cool |
| 21:02.03 | jackman | I'll try it |
| 21:02.12 | jackman | I have it going at work, where i'll be at 1600. |
| 21:02.51 | jackman | in the grub env, it reports "Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 21:02.58 | jackman | it's an ext2 file system |
| 21:03.06 | jackman | the entire tree appears to be intact |
| 21:03.12 | jackman | the stage files are there. |
| 21:03.36 | jackman | I've tried it with an ext3 filesystem, too, but I thought that was the problem, so I changed. |
| 21:04.32 | jackman | respective commonds are setup (hd0) in grub and grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda |
| 21:04.48 | jackman | when I root (hd0,0), it sees the filesystem as present |
| 21:07.10 | jackman | I know it's not a particularly unique problem, but it's a bit annoying |
| 21:07.56 | tensai | harleypig: yes, I really should have known better |
| 21:08.25 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:14.09 | jackman | Thanks for the help all |
| 21:14.15 | jackman | I'll report back later |
| 21:22.21 | sjansen | http://dlcinci.blogspot.com/2008/01/warning.html |
| 21:24.41 | elg | lol |
| 21:24.52 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:25.45 | mrpullThePlumber | HEY... I thought "We are liberal and we love to drink!" was BYUUG's catch phrase. |
| 21:25.55 | mrpullThePlumber | they'd better call dlcinci and sort that out |
| 21:32.07 | harleypig | BYU and drinking don't really seem to go together. |
| 21:32.14 | harleypig | Unless you're talking about red punch |
| 21:32.44 | harleypig | or if you're talking about DT girls ... :> |
| 21:36.48 | mrpullThePlumber | DT? |
| 21:39.05 | Tene | Deseret Towers, one of the dorms |
| 21:46.15 | harleypig | They were frequent (and popular) visitors to our parties. |
| 22:01.15 | tensai | harleypig: you know they tore down DT? |
| 22:08.04 | harleypig | tensai: I didn't ... when did this happen? |
| 22:08.41 | harleypig | I have no idea if DT still had that rep, but in the 80s they were well known by those of us interested :> |
| 22:08.49 | tensai | harleypig: http://magazine.byu.edu/?act=view&a=1924 |
| 22:08.51 | brac | [Watch the Walls Fall] |
| 22:11.15 | harleypig | wow |
| 22:11.17 | harleypig | pretty cool |
| 22:11.29 | tensai | I lived in W hall in '95 |
| 22:12.05 | elg | bush hall? |
| 22:12.32 | tensai | uh, no |
| 22:12.57 | harleypig | elg: That was DT ... :> |
| 22:15.10 | mrpullThePlumber | when I see DT, I think of the AC/DC song (which I assume stands for delirium tremens) |
| 22:17.16 | tensai | I wonder if they found where we wrote our names inside the elevator shaft... |
| 22:23.33 | elg | ~erase tensai |
| 22:23.34 | ibot | ACTION instructs elg to vaporize tensai with a Marvin The Martian ray gun |
| 22:27.19 | levi | Huh, I thought this track was some trippy anime soundtrack thing, but it was actually DJ Shadow. |
| 22:33.51 | tensai | sjansen: I found a place where a bash variable has to be used without quotes |
| 22:34.12 | levi | Holy crap, it was Superman that assasinated JFK: http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/10/01/revealing-a-piece-of-comics-history/ |
| 22:44.39 | elg | staplers work better when the staples are put in points-down |
| 22:45.20 | levi | That's a remarkably astute observation |
| 22:45.24 | tensai | elg: communist propoganda |
| 22:45.50 | tensai | don't let the politburo tell you how to use your staples |
| 22:45.57 | elg | you'd think they'd do nothing, but actually it will still seem to be trying to staple, as the points bend over and do penetrate the paper |
| 22:46.22 | elg | took me 3 staples to figure out what was up and open the stapler and fix it |
| 22:47.00 | levi | Were you the one that loaded the stapler? |
| 22:47.09 | levi | And if so, what medication were you on at the time? |
| 22:47.10 | elg | misloaded? probably |
| 22:47.30 | elg | well, i probably was just playing with the stapler absent minded and they flipped over without my noticing |
| 22:48.02 | levi | Those tricky staplers! Always playing tricks when you're not paying attention! |
| 22:49.11 | levi | A former coworker turned real estate agent and is now spamming me about buying houses and crap. |
| 22:54.40 | harleypig | Selling houses I can understand ... and crap too, for that matter ... but together? |
| 22:55.03 | harleypig | What, do you get so many pounds for every 100k your house costs? |
| 22:56.35 | levi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE |
| 22:56.45 | sjansen | tensai: Of course. That's why Stuart Rule of Variables is "Always quote variables _unless_ you have have very, very good reason not to." |
| 22:56.49 | levi | [ Batman vs. The Penguin: The Debate ] |
| 22:57.19 | tensai | sjansen: ah. I've been living by a shortened version of that rule. I will amend it at once. |
| 22:59.09 | tensai | sjansen: but to date this is the first time, so the "unless" clause in that rule appears to be triggered only rarely |
| 23:00.09 | sjansen | When I'm teaching, I usually add a comment "you probably won't find a reason to remove the quotes until you're an experienced shell scripter". |
| 23:01.06 | tensai | this case was a variable with newlines. when placed in quotes it retained the newlines. I wanted it without and removing the quotes accomplished that goal. |
| 23:01.19 | levi | "And if you spend enough time shell scripting to become experienced enough, you will obtain permanent brain damage." |
| 23:02.00 | jshipley | Do most of the people here generally attend the sllug meetings? |
| 23:04.03 | sjansen | Very few people are regulars at SLLUG. Most attend when the can and the topic is interesting. |
| 23:05.01 | sjansen | levi: Nah. Just pad your walls, or wear a motorcycle helmet while scripting and you'll be fine. |
| 23:08.02 | levi | sjansen: Perhaps, but I haven't yet become so deranged that I would actually *want* to. |
| 23:11.46 | Tene | sjansen: I much prefer the form that lists the reason you'd want an unquoted variable explicitly. |
| 23:14.02 | elg | oddly, I get no sound out of youtube all day |
| 23:14.16 | harleypig | elg, it's not talking to you. |
| 23:14.18 | elg | restarts firefox. but I think i've done that today already too |
| 23:15.08 | elg | it's not flash. i've watched flash video today |
| 23:15.37 | elg | hmm, somehow the volume got turned down in the flash youtube widget |
| 23:15.57 | harleypig | see ... I was right |
| 23:16.04 | harleypig | it doesn't wanna talk to you |
| 23:20.06 | Tene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGpH6WZEeQ |
| 23:32.46 | sjansen | Tene: I don't think it is possible to write such a list. Not in any useful form that doesn't require a pretty sophisticated understanding of scripting, anyway. |
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| 23:37.28 | sjansen | I'm so smart. S. M. R. T. |
| 23:45.25 | harleypig | I'm so pretty ... oh so pretty ... |
| 23:45.43 | atoponce | tries not to think about it |
| 23:46.13 | harleypig | prances around atoponce waving his jock strap and talking about diving boards |
| 23:46.28 | harleypig | sooo pretty |
| 23:47.11 | atoponce | does the jock strap say #!/usr/bin/python? |
| 23:47.33 | harleypig | heh |
| 23:47.52 | harleypig | No, but it's made out of camel hair. :> |
| 23:48.28 | atoponce | heh |
