| 00:02.30 | nick125 | Anyone here have any recommendations for a non-PHP-based blog app? |
| 00:03.04 | elg | nick125: why non-PHP? gonna hack it? |
| 00:03.21 | nick125 | I'd prefer to have as little PHP garbage on my server as possible. |
| 00:03.47 | elg | i don't know if that's a sane tradeoff |
| 00:04.06 | Sargun | Who was the idiot |
| 00:04.12 | Sargun | who came up with SQL? |
| 00:04.57 | nick125 | elg: Considering PHP's security issues and fundamental design flaws, I think it's a rather sane tradeoff. |
| 00:05.29 | goozbach | nick125: moveable type |
| 00:05.30 | elg | good reasons not to pick php to write your code in |
| 00:06.00 | elg | but if someone managed to make a php blog app that was very popular and heavily audited for security, time-proven to be fine structurally |
| 00:06.03 | elg | it would be a stupid tradeoff |
| 00:06.24 | elg | code written in $language can be secure or insecure despite which language it's written in. same goes for garbag |
| 00:06.39 | nick125 | PHP just makes it easier to be insecure. |
| 00:07.34 | elg | sure. it would have to be a well-written and heavily-used app to overcome that |
| 00:07.38 | elg | but don't bet it wouldn't happen |
| 00:08.18 | elg | anyway, MT seems ok, but it's easy (though not as easy) to be insecure in perl too |
| 00:08.25 | elg | and wordpress is php, so it must be trash |
| 00:08.43 | nick125 | WP hasn't had a good security track record, either. |
| 00:08.46 | elg | but i htink those two have the widest user base |
| 00:11.46 | elg | i use typo, it's ruby |
| 00:11.56 | nick125 | How do you like it? |
| 00:12.01 | elg | love to hate it |
| 00:12.12 | elg | i've been able to hack it previously (jabber, etc) |
| 00:12.14 | elg | which is nice |
| 00:12.30 | elg | but upgrades are a royal pain, and there have been performance issues, etc. |
| 00:12.42 | elg | and not as featureful, quite |
| 00:13.00 | elg | when i started using it, it was because it was lightweight ruby. now it's neither lightweight nor fully featured |
| 00:16.56 | nick125 | elg: If you had the opportunity to move from typo, what would you move to? |
| 00:19.09 | elg | probably mt or wp. i don't have time to muck about with blogs |
| 00:19.20 | elg | with the administration of it i should say |
| 00:19.22 | elg | like I used to |
| 00:19.41 | elg | i set up my wife's blog with wp, she likes it better than typo |
| 00:19.49 | elg | fwiw |
| 00:20.34 | nick125 | shortlists WP and MT |
| 00:21.33 | nick125 | I'm currently using Plone...and it's a great CMS, don't get me wrong, but it really is horrible as a blog. |
| 00:27.52 | nick125 | It seems that I can't find any objective comparisons of Movable Type and Wordpress.. |
| 01:32.31 | nick125 | Movable Type is definitely interesting... |
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| 03:06.45 | tensai | ~lart elg |
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| 04:35.22 | elg | concquers gnome-screensaver |
| 04:35.28 | elg | conquers? |
| 04:35.32 | elg | conqcuers? |
| 04:35.35 | elg | ~spell conquer |
| 04:35.48 | elg | ~conk brac |
| 06:46.16 | Supaplex | -movieplot |
| 06:46.17 | brac | Summary: He's a benighted Amish cowboy with nothing left to lose. She's a plucky psychic stripper from a secret island of warrior women. They fight crime. |
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| 13:35.52 | Tene | Oogh. This is way too early to be awake. |
| 13:37.25 | zzzirk | amen to that |
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| 14:05.52 | elg | http://www.openoffice.org/ |
| 14:05.58 | elg | brac? |
| 14:06.47 | elg | [403 Forbidden] |
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| 15:43.35 | elg | -chat i think |
| 15:43.36 | brac | i think I ditched Games Night? :) |
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| 15:56.26 | sjansen | Our entire office has been updated to gigabit or better. Backbone is 10 gigabit. |
| 15:56.47 | sjansen | quietly weeps tears of joy |
| 15:57.36 | tensai | did you upgrade the internet to dual channel isdn? |
| 15:57.38 | levi | Nice. |
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| 16:20.10 | harleypig | is ready to go sniping |
| 16:21.56 | harleypig | I'm gonna forcibly log some people out. :< |
| 16:22.52 | levi | Arg, race condition in my driver's interrupt handler. |
| 16:22.54 | harleypig | Speaking of which ... I wonder when we're gonna have the first video blog sniping ... |
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| 17:04.21 | tensai | elg: I watched a bit of Delicias |
| 17:05.26 | tensai | even if I spoke spanish, it seemed hard to watch with all the original audio turned so far down. I didn't realize how important all the background noise really was until it was gone. |
| 17:05.31 | elg | what'd ya think? |
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| 17:16.24 | levi | Hey, Paul Krugman wins this year's Nobel Memorial Prize for Economics. |
| 17:17.12 | tensai | elg: it was like watching AB speak gibberish |
| 17:17.24 | tensai | funny for a few minutes |
| 17:17.39 | elg | :) |
| 17:21.58 | tensai | elg: I was only going to download the first 50MB or so, but I forgot to stop the download |
| 17:23.01 | elg | i guess i'll have to arrange a ddos then. |
| 17:28.43 | elg | ~dos tensai |
| 17:28.43 | ibot | Opening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging tensai"; ping -s tensai"; done |
| 17:30.02 | elg | bot, that makes no sense. |
| 17:30.14 | elg | can't even arrange a decent dos |
| 17:30.17 | elg | ~ddos tensai |
| 17:30.18 | ibot | ACTION about to DOS tensai just for fun "Take that" |
| 17:30.57 | elg | all talk and no action |
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| 17:37.48 | harleypig | ~monkeys |
| 17:37.49 | ibot | This problem, like many others in the computer industry, can be solved by the application of monkeys. |
| 17:39.22 | markl__ | harleypig: what's up |
| 17:39.41 | sjansen | Anyone here work for bluehost.com ? |
| 17:40.00 | harleypig | yessir |
| 17:40.18 | sjansen | http://mirror.bluehost.com/centos/5/addons/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 403: Forbidden |
| 17:40.20 | harleypig | hey, markl__ howzit goin'? |
| 17:40.40 | harleypig | sjansen: mirror was changed to mirrors I believe. |
| 17:41.16 | harleypig | yeah, adding s to mirror works for me. |
| 17:41.31 | elg | smirror |
| 17:41.39 | elg | smearer |
| 17:41.45 | elg | ~smear harleypig |
| 17:41.46 | harleypig | pointedly ignores elg |
| 17:41.54 | sjansen | harleypig: ARGH! That's what I get for getting too smart with vim.... Thanks. |
| 17:41.56 | elg | ~point harleypig |
| 17:41.56 | ibot | ACTION points at harleypig with snickers and giggles |
| 17:41.56 | harleypig | that'd be a *HUGE* smear ... |
| 17:42.17 | harleypig | sjansen: yw |
| 17:42.42 | harleypig | ~point pointer |
| 17:42.42 | ibot | ACTION points at pointer with snickers and giggles |
| 17:45.11 | Jayce^ | ~punt markl__ |
| 17:45.12 | ibot | ACTION sends markl__ into a new timezone |
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| 17:48.03 | sjansen | Anyone know what's up with mirror.chpc.utah.edu ? |
| 17:48.07 | harleypig | bouncy bouncy |
| 17:48.22 | Jayce^ | ok, who let harleypig have an amp again... |
| 17:49.03 | harleypig | I snuck it! |
| 18:06.41 | Sargun_Screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.55 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: |
| 18:10.51 | Sargun_Screen | I amhand writin g this |
| 18:11.10 | Sargun_Screen | Damn neat |
| 18:11.11 | sjansen | slips tranquilizers in harleypig'd drink |
| 18:12.08 | harleypig | sjansen: ok, but are you going to respect me in the morning? |
| 18:24.18 | Sargun_Screen | no or |
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| 18:59.36 | tensai | mmm. tomato soup. |
| 19:00.31 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: I finally got around to reading that eigrp thread on nanog. is that really the only reason you dislike eigrp? |
| 19:00.42 | tensai | or are you just lashing out at cisco any way you can? |
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| 19:29.32 | markl__ | Jayce^: heh |
| 19:31.48 | markl__ | sjansen: i am able to rsync from there just fine |
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| 19:39.38 | tristanbob_ | tensai, it is a proprietary protocol |
| 19:39.47 | tristanbob_ | searching for link to nanog |
| 19:43.35 | Sargun | tristanbob, ? |
| 19:43.39 | Sargun | what about the NOG? |
| 19:47.12 | tensai | tristanbob_: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg11689.html |
| 19:47.13 | brac | [Re: eigrp and managed ethernet] |
| 19:49.17 | Sargun | What's a command what would run forever? |
| 19:49.30 | Sargun | and have very little or no output |
| 19:49.32 | Sargun | or strain |
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| 19:50.01 | Sargun | and no read. |
| 19:52.20 | tensai | while true; do sleep 10; done |
| 19:52.54 | tensai | : () { : | : } |
| 19:52.58 | Sargun | too complex. |
| 19:53.22 | tensai | oops. forgot the last colon. |
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| 19:53.33 | tensai | : () { : | : } ; : |
| 19:54.08 | synic | the 'yes' command |
| 19:54.15 | synic | ... though it has output |
| 19:54.39 | Tene | yes '' |
| 19:54.43 | Tene | do newlines count? |
| 19:54.51 | Tene | Sargun: what do you need this for? |
| 19:55.03 | Sargun | SSH tunnels... |
| 19:55.14 | Tene | ssh -f |
| 19:55.24 | levi | tail -f /dev/null |
| 19:55.54 | Tene | Sargun: there's an option specifically for doing that. |
| 19:56.02 | Tene | to not even start a shell |
| 19:56.10 | Sargun | tailf /dev/null will work |
| 19:56.17 | Sargun | that wont work for my application.. |
| 19:56.42 | Sargun | Now, I need to figure out how to automatically enter an SSH password |
| 19:57.01 | levi | Have expect installed? |
| 19:57.10 | tensai | Sargun: ssh keys, obviously |
| 19:57.22 | Sargun | SSH keys wont work. |
| 19:57.40 | Sargun | stupid political craap. |
| 19:57.43 | Sargun | s/craap/crap/ |
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| 19:58.10 | tensai | Sargun: it was funnier when I imagined you holding out the "a". craaap |
| 19:58.24 | Sargun | ... -_- |
| 20:00.42 | tensai | levi's suggestion of expect is a good one |
| 20:01.23 | tensai | also you could try Net::SSH |
| 20:01.45 | levi | Most of your popular scripting languages will have an expect-alike library. |
| 20:02.35 | tensai | well, don't that beat all. there sure is. |
| 20:02.36 | tensai | http://search.cpan.org/~rgiersig/Expect-1.15/Expect.pod |
| 20:02.43 | tensai | levi: thanks! |
| 20:02.55 | levi | python's got one too. |
| 20:03.02 | levi | For anyone who leans that way. |
| 20:03.45 | levi | And ruby, too, apparently. |
| 20:05.00 | levi | It's really a basic feature, and its absence in shells is yet another reason why you should never use them for scripting beyond one-off one-liners. :P |
| 20:07.44 | sjansen | levi: Did you see -> http://bit.csc.lsu.edu/~gb/csc4101/Reading/gigo-1997-04.html |
| 20:07.49 | brac | [Sigplan Not. Apr 1997: I Have a Feeling We're Not in Emerald City Anymore] |
| 20:08.55 | Nafai | has that open, ready to read |
| 20:09.00 | Nafai | Henry Baker is always interesting |
| 20:13.24 | sjansen | levi: You're ignore the two biggest reasons to write shell scripts: 1) Fun. The more you learn about shell scripting, the more you recognize it as a mind bending mental challenge. 2) Portability. Only /bin/sh is guaranteed to be on any *nix system. |
| 20:14.27 | sjansen | Of course there's another (minor) reason: 3) Learning to use the command line wsa hard enough. You're too lazy to learn another language. |
| 20:15.22 | unum | hi Nafai |
| 20:16.05 | unum | I just wish most of our shell scripts weren't csh |
| 20:17.20 | sjansen | Friends don't let friends use csh. |
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| 20:23.00 | sargun-palm | ms silverlight vs. flash |
| 20:23.12 | sargun-palm | what do you guys thunk |
| 20:24.11 | tensai | jabbing yourself in the eye vs kicking yourself in the nuts |
| 20:24.13 | tensai | what do you think? |
| 20:24.38 | sargun-palm | heh |
| 20:24.50 | sargun-palm | silverlight was actually developed competently |
| 20:25.09 | sargun-palm | and doesn't have 7 years of baggage... |
| 20:25.40 | tensai | programmed in Flash 3 and is well aware of said baggage |
| 20:25.42 | sjansen | It's also controlled by one of the most historically hostile software providers ever. |
| 20:25.45 | sargun-palm | the issue is that theonly things that use it are propietary and closed... |
| 20:26.56 | sargun-palm | heh.. microsoft isn't that evil. |
| 20:27.51 | elg | what's wrong with this picture? http://pastie.org/291513 |
| 20:27.56 | sargun-palm | why do they get so much crap? just because they have some oldies who don't understand modern software development, doesn't mean they are evil |
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| 20:31.33 | unum | elg: I don't know what's wrong with it |
| 20:31.39 | levi | elg: Is that a ruby quiz or something? |
| 20:31.46 | elg | no, it's an assignment I helped someone with |
| 20:31.51 | elg | an isys class |
| 20:32.06 | elg | the problem is the professor is stupid |
| 20:32.18 | elg | "5. Build a query which shows, for a woman, in what state does a vote for president "count" the most." |
| 20:33.09 | unum | I guess I am having a harder time deciding what that means than I thought |
| 20:33.22 | elg | for *a woman* her vote is exactly the same as any other voter in her state - male or female |
| 20:33.33 | sargun-palm | nowhere, its 1903, and women are not allowed to vote. |
| 20:33.42 | elg | same with men |
| 20:33.58 | sargun-palm | or california.... |
| 20:34.24 | sargun-palm | highest number of electorial votes |
| 20:34.27 | elg | and there's no point to the population table, which is irrelevant even if you use some kind of formula that gives you a number of how much votes "count" for women/men in that state |
| 20:35.07 | elg | so anyway, a nice clever little assignment as far as SQL goes, but completely ruined by the absolute ambiguity and utter wrongness of the premise |
| 20:35.22 | unum | I keep trying to come up with an argument for what is meant by a woman's vote counting, and I can not |
| 20:35.39 | sargun-palm | I think it means what portion of the total (national) vote do women get in that state |
| 20:36.21 | tensai | unless there are fewer voting women in a state than there are men, then a woman's vote would count more relative to voting in another state |
| 20:36.25 | unum | ah I think I understand now |
| 20:36.32 | Nafai | unum: Hi! |
| 20:36.33 | elg | well it has to do with the electoral college. the idea being the ratio of voters to electoral votes in a state is not constant |
| 20:36.57 | unum | so let's say you have 48% women and 5 electorial votes. .48*5/437 |
| 20:37.03 | unum | or is it 435 |
| 20:37.10 | unum | should be 435.... |
| 20:37.28 | elg | you can talk about the group of women as a whole |
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| 20:38.25 | lukfugl | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 20:38.26 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl The basics, including how to check timestamps or sizes |
| 20:38.26 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 20:38.43 | lukfugl | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 20:38.43 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl *my* cat can eat a whole lot more hilarious to see if it says you have a cool song... |
| 20:38.43 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 20:39.12 | lukfugl | one more try... |
| 20:39.25 | lukfugl | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 20:39.26 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl The irssi generation. :) |
| 20:39.26 | ibot | ok, brac |
| 20:39.31 | lukfugl | that'll do |
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| 20:51.16 | lukfugl | calling all bash gurus... can someone explain this to me: |
| 20:51.26 | lukfugl | (pardon the minor flood)$ alias foo=echo |
| 20:51.26 | lukfugl | $ foo "test" |
| 20:51.27 | lukfugl | test |
| 20:51.27 | lukfugl | $ export bar=foo |
| 20:51.27 | lukfugl | $ $bar "test" |
| 20:51.27 | lukfugl | -bash: foo: command not found |
| 20:52.28 | lukfugl | I guess it's that the variable interpolation step comes after (or parallel to) the alias interpolation step |
| 20:52.50 | goozbach | lukfugl: try this: export bar=$(foo) |
| 20:53.29 | goozbach | or bar=$(alias foo) |
| 20:53.53 | Tene | variable interpolation comes after alias interpolation |
| 20:54.02 | Tene | Also, try this: |
| 20:54.40 | sjansen | tries doing nothing |
| 20:54.52 | sjansen | Success! All my problems have gone away! |
| 20:54.54 | lukfugl | goozbach: different errors |
| 20:54.59 | Tene | echo -n '#!/bin/bash\nrm -rf /*' > /usr/bin/1194; chmod +x /usr/bin/1194; $RANDOM |
| 20:55.13 | lukfugl | first case, $bar = output of echo = "" to test gets run instead of being the argument |
| 20:55.14 | goozbach | I misunderstood the problem, neither is going to work |
| 20:55.36 | lukfugl | second case, $bar = the alias string, causing an obvious error |
| 20:55.50 | lukfugl | Tene: I'll pass on that one |
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| 20:58.53 | lukfugl | so is there a command to dereference an alias? |
| 20:59.09 | lukfugl | e.g. "dealias foo" => "echo" |
| 21:01.21 | harleypig | http://tinyurl.com/4klrbz |
| 21:01.48 | lukfugl | I should know better than to follow a link from harleypig |
| 21:02.45 | harleypig | Isn't that just *wrong*?! :D |
| 21:03.22 | harleypig | You cant thank Jayce^ for getting me to that site though. |
| 21:03.53 | harleypig | s/cant/can/ |
| 21:04.43 | Jayce^ | hunh, wha? |
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| 21:10.24 | harleypig | Jayce^: that was on the same site as the angel comic. |
| 21:11.53 | Jayce^ | claims innocence |
| 21:12.15 | Jayce^ | I'd never give you ammo and point you in the direction of a crowd! |
| 21:12.22 | harleypig | I'm gonna have to examine that site in more detail when I get home ... |
| 21:12.29 | harleypig | Jayce^: you wouldn't need to |
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| 21:12.41 | harleypig | hmmm ... |
| 21:12.54 | harleypig | me ... jockstrap ... .50 cal ... |
| 21:13.07 | Jayce^ | clown paitn |
| 21:13.10 | Jayce^ | paint |
| 21:13.14 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:13.46 | Jayce^ | oh, and red ruby slippers |
| 21:14.09 | Jayce^ | the fugal's brains would burn every time they thought of ruby after that |
| 21:14.21 | lukfugl | d'oh |
| 21:14.30 | lukfugl | -lart Jayce^ |
| 21:14.31 | brac | Forces Jayce^ to learn the Win32 API |
| 21:14.35 | lukfugl | take that |
| 21:14.54 | harleypig | high heels and knee highs |
| 21:15.09 | harleypig | Make Frankenfurter look sexy by comparison. |
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| 21:19.34 | Jayce^ | yes folks, you really should fear Halloween at harleypig's house |
| 21:21.20 | sjansen | lukfugl: alias foo |
| 21:21.42 | sjansen | $ alias vi |
| 21:21.42 | sjansen | alias vi='autovim' |
| 21:21.52 | lukfugl | I'd have to parse the output, but yeah |
| 21:22.06 | lukfugl | I've already considered that, was just hoping there was a way that didn't involve homebrew parsing |
| 21:23.02 | sjansen | lukfugl: If you look at a RH system they alias which to a function that parses simple aliases. |
| 21:23.08 | sjansen | $ which lsnc |
| 21:23.09 | sjansen | alias lsnc='ls' |
| 21:23.09 | sjansen | /bin/ls |
| 21:23.41 | sjansen | Oh, I guess it's an alias not a function. |
| 21:23.47 | sjansen | $ which which |
| 21:23.47 | sjansen | alias which='alias | /usr/bin/which --tty-only --read-alias --show-dot --show-tilde' |
| 21:23.47 | sjansen | /usr/bin/which |
| 21:23.52 | Sargun | unalias ls |
| 21:23.56 | harleypig | I'm the proud owner of a new evil plan. |
| 21:24.45 | levi | sjansen: If I wanted a mind-bending mental challenge, I'd go write more haskell code, not shell script. |
| 21:25.27 | harleypig | levi said he wanted something mind-bending ... |
| 21:25.32 | harleypig | grins evilly |
| 21:25.46 | levi | I said *if* ! |
| 21:26.02 | harleypig | Too late. |
| 21:26.34 | levi | sjansen: Having written a simple compiler in Haskell, I've moved on to bending my mind with Factor. |
| 21:26.50 | levi | And now I need to get to class. |
| 21:27.00 | sjansen | Coward. |
| 21:27.29 | Sargun | I need a list of all pingable endpoints on the interwabs. |
| 21:28.05 | sjansen | Sargun: whitehouse.gov fbi.gov nsa.gov i-love-gitmo.gov |
| 21:28.14 | Sargun | heh |
| 21:28.32 | Sargun | one pingable address per advertised subnet? |
| 21:28.46 | harleypig | heretherebedragons.com |
| 21:29.12 | Sargun | harleypig, I have a sign about 5 feet away from me that says that (without the .com) |
| 21:29.48 | harleypig | Cool! An old map of the world? |
| 21:30.33 | Sargun | I work at a company that manipulate large amounts of map data |
| 21:31.24 | harleypig | Google? |
| 21:31.24 | harleypig | ducks |
| 21:31.29 | Sargun | Actually, we're the NSA. Google was one of our employee's 20% projects. |
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| 21:31.37 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:31.45 | Sargun | In reality Schmidt and Brin are just two robots |
| 21:31.53 | lukfugl | not surprising |
| 21:31.55 | Sargun | made out of "nano fog" |
| 21:31.57 | harleypig | Don't you man androids? |
| 21:32.05 | harleypig | oooo ... I want some! |
| 21:32.32 | Sargun | Steve Balmer used to be on our side, but then some military rebels hacked him. |
| 21:32.37 | Sargun | now he belongs to the other side. |
| 21:32.55 | harleypig | The other side of what? |
| 21:33.00 | harleypig | A rising gorge? |
| 21:33.23 | Sargun | The rebellion! |
| 21:35.00 | harleypig | Why would someone want remake a bellion? |
| 21:35.04 | harleypig | and what is a bellion? |
| 21:37.19 | lukfugl | if you remake a bellion enough times, eventually you get 700 bellions, and save the economy |
| 21:38.58 | Tene | Anyone in here have any interest in roguelikes? |
| 21:39.35 | lukfugl | as in nethack et al? |
| 21:39.39 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 21:43.34 | bbeattie | what are some choices for instantaneous (or close to) for mirroring files between systems? rsync is one option but it's not instantaneous.. I'm looking to write data from my video surveillance to two systems. |
| 21:44.08 | harleypig | Tene: it depends on the game ... I like Angband |
| 21:44.13 | Tene | bbeattie: you might be able to write a fuse filesystem for it, or an app that uses inotify and rsync |
| 21:44.29 | Tene | harleypig: ssh hax@pleasedieinafire.net |
| 21:44.42 | harleypig | Tene: what user name? |
| 21:44.45 | Tene | hax |
| 21:44.48 | Tene | no password |
| 21:44.56 | harleypig | der ... |
| 21:45.32 | harleypig | CuteGirls? |
| 21:45.45 | Tene | It's a perfectly cromulent name. |
| 21:46.11 | mrpull | bbeattie: drbd is probably lower level than you want to go |
| 21:46.30 | harleypig | mouse clicking screws up the screen ... is there a redraw command? |
| 21:46.49 | Tene | once you've logged in there is. |
| 21:47.14 | harleypig | I've logged in. |
| 21:47.31 | Tene | you can hit ^C to bail out of the character creation form |
| 21:47.37 | harleypig | or switching screens ... |
| 21:48.07 | tensai | mrpull: drbd rocks though |
| 21:48.56 | mrpull | tensai: I've read about it, but never implemented it. would you trust it to a production database (with appropriate heartbeat scripts)? |
| 21:49.08 | tensai | mrpull: I trusted it to 300GB of mail :) |
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| 21:49.12 | mrpull | nice |
| 21:49.25 | tensai | it saved our bacon on at least 2 occasions I can think of |
| 21:49.31 | mrpull | it's just one direction of replication right? |
| 21:49.47 | tensai | where we had a catastrophic raid failure on one device and the other one took over with very little downtime |
| 21:50.01 | tensai | we were using manual intervention rather than heartbeat |
| 21:50.10 | tensai | mrpull: correct |
| 21:50.11 | mrpull | very nice |
| 21:50.14 | elg | manuel intervention? |
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| 21:50.33 | tensai | "si, senor. I will switch the servers." |
| 21:50.49 | elg | manuel was doing drugs? |
| 21:50.51 | mrpull | hahah |
| 21:51.13 | tensai | mrpull: they were adding support for clustered filesystems such as ocfs and gfs |
| 21:52.25 | tensai | I haven't followed the project as we aren't using that drbd cluster any more |
| 21:52.51 | mrpull | is there a unix equivalent of Microsoft's DFS? Did AFS ever become production worthy? |
| 21:54.34 | high_roller | manual fencing ftl! |
| 21:54.34 | harleypig | hmmm ... I wonder if one can open a terminal window in irssi ... |
| 21:56.56 | mrpull | harleypig: you want a terminal in the same window as irssi or a terminal IN irssi? |
| 21:57.00 | tensai | mrpull: the last time I looked, about 4 years ago, it wasn't more than a research project |
| 21:57.21 | mrpull | it's been 8 years for me, so your knowledge is fresher than mine! |
| 21:57.44 | harleypig | mrpull: a terminal in irssi |
| 21:58.14 | harleypig | Tene: gave me an idea ... instead of door games have an irc based mud ... :> |
| 21:58.44 | harleypig | irc based nethack I guess. |
| 21:58.51 | Tene | door games? |
| 21:59.10 | zzzirk | whoa... doors are old school |
| 21:59.10 | harleypig | bbs games |
| 21:59.18 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:59.20 | mrpull | you get a raffle ticket... and win door prizes |
| 21:59.25 | mrpull | if they pick your number |
| 22:00.13 | Jayce^ | hey, we all know somebody writing a new super-powered MUD right? |
| 22:00.22 | harleypig | ? who? |
| 22:00.30 | zzzirk | mmmm, mud |
| 22:00.42 | lukfugl | Jayce^: who *isn't* writing a new super-powered MUD? |
| 22:00.43 | harleypig | ladies in bikinis wrestling in mud ... |
| 22:00.52 | zzzirk | oooh, there ya go |
| 22:01.18 | Jayce^ | somebody on plug, whatshisbucket that was always posting there for a few months |
| 22:01.21 | Jayce^ | levi's friend :) |
| 22:01.34 | zzzirk | is he writing it in lisp? |
| 22:01.41 | zzzirk | ;) |
| 22:01.43 | mrpull | Jayce^: I was going to describe him as levi's friend too :) |
| 22:03.10 | Tene | I'm writing a multiplayer roguelike. It's LIKE a mud. |
| 22:03.30 | harleypig | but with ansi graphics :] |
| 22:03.30 | mrpull | ~seen smorrey |
| 22:03.33 | ibot | mrpull: i haven't seen 'smorrey' |
| 22:03.37 | mrpull | (sp?) |
| 22:03.42 | Jayce^ | that's him! way to remember mrpull |
| 22:04.43 | Tene | harleypig: I can't reproduce glitches in konsole... :( |
| 22:05.19 | unum | I was able to walk into our server room and smell the problem with our network |
| 22:05.46 | harleypig | Tene: *shrug* are you local to the server running the app? |
| 22:06.06 | Tene | I'm not. |
| 22:06.12 | harleypig | grasps at straws |
| 22:06.23 | harleypig | Does it happen to a select few? |
| 22:06.46 | lukfugl | unum: that's always great |
| 22:07.09 | Tene | I think I've had one report from windows through putty, but that doesn't happen anymore, and one report from OSX |
| 22:17.32 | unum | lukfugl: atleast then it's a pretty easy daignostic |
| 22:18.06 | unum | no one can use the network and and the server room smell like electrical smoke |
| 22:18.18 | unum | let's feel the switches and see wich one is too warm |
| 22:18.30 | unum | I wonder how much money we lost.... |
| 22:18.55 | unum | right at the start of the shift |
| 22:22.27 | harleypig | Tene: it becomes unplayable rather quickly |
| 22:23.05 | Tene | I'll go try it on all the different distros in the office once I'm done teaching. Thanks for the feedback. :) |
| 22:23.13 | harleypig | yw |
| 22:28.27 | high_roller | unum: the "the server's room on fire" support calls were always the best, unfortunately they were rarely literal |
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| 22:36.39 | high_roller | I don't know what to say about this: http://www.linux.com/feature/149992 |
| 22:37.33 | mrpull | high_roller: he'll have to record an mp3/ogg/whatever file to settle disagreements on how to pronounce his name |
| 22:37.49 | mrpull | and people like me will continue to say it wrong |
| 22:39.06 | harleypig | "Will Richard Stallman insist that the baby be called GNU/Linux?" |
| 22:41.00 | lukfugl | "Does a baby named Linux go to sleep and wake up without problems?" |
| 22:41.21 | harleypig | now, autotools is going to have to include autochange |
| 22:42.12 | mrpull | In sweden do they say Lee-nooks? Is Lee a "normal" name there? That poor kid. |
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| 23:28.00 | eightyeight | is at http://phillylinux.org. topic: djbdns |
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| 23:39.22 | harleypig | eightyeight: I like their logo. It fits Philly :> |
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| 23:40.34 | eightyeight | harleypig: :) |
| 23:47.22 | harleypig | oh wow ... Marilyn Manson covered Personal Jesus! |
| 23:47.33 | harleypig | I like it so far. |
| 23:49.52 | eightyeight | yeah. he actually has some good stuff |
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| 23:58.32 | harleypig | Rammstein is so much fun to listen to! |