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| 00:58.01 | findlay | does anyone here use NetworkManager? |
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| 00:58.12 | Supaplex | I use to, until |
| 00:58.13 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 00:58.14 | jsmith-away | findlay: I do |
| 00:58.19 | brac | not properly grounded, please bury computer |
| 00:58.38 | findlay | whenever I try to connect to this one SSID it puts bogus DNS IP's in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:59.00 | findlay | bogus as in they don't work, and they don't match what the wireless router is configured to put out |
| 01:01.44 | Sargun_Screen | DHCP? |
| 01:01.49 | Sargun_Screen | what are they? |
| 01:02.08 | Sargun_Screen | Does your distro use dhclient or dhcpcd ? |
| 01:02.13 | Sargun_Screen | probes findlay |
| 01:02.35 | findlay | dhclient |
| 01:02.50 | findlay | the first one is an obvious false: 192.168.0.1 |
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| 01:04.07 | Sargun_Screen | Are you sure? |
| 01:04.12 | findlay | yes |
| 01:04.15 | Sargun_Screen | examine: /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases |
| 01:04.31 | findlay | the router doesn't even have that IP in its list of DNS servers |
| 01:04.55 | findlay | what about it? |
| 01:09.23 | Sargun_Screen | is your latest lease in there? |
| 01:09.37 | findlay | yes |
| 01:09.39 | Sargun_Screen | What is domain-name-servers for that lease? |
| 01:10.10 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.09 | Sargun_Screen | Ok... |
| 01:11.24 | Sargun_Screen | so its your DHCP server's fault.... |
| 01:11.57 | findlay | um, the DHCP server is not putting out those addresses |
| 01:12.04 | Sargun_Screen | ok |
| 01:12.22 | findlay | there are a few other computers connected to the same router |
| 01:12.33 | findlay | and they aren't getting the wrong DNSen |
| 01:12.48 | Sargun_Screen | 1) Stop network manager 2) ifconfig $int 0.0.0.0 up 3) tshark -w dhcp.cap -i $int 4) dhclient $int |
| 01:12.51 | Sargun_Screen | do that |
| 01:12.55 | Sargun_Screen | see if you get a capture |
| 01:13.01 | jlp_work | findlay: check in /etc/dhclient.conf (or where ever it is on your box) and look for something like "supersede domain-name-servers" |
| 01:13.11 | findlay | just a minute on that Sargun_Screen |
| 01:13.19 | findlay | I'm updating the system |
| 01:13.54 | jlp_work | or possibly "prepend domain-name-servers" |
| 01:14.49 | Sargun_Screen | ok |
| 01:14.57 | findlay | jlp_work: but wouldn't that impose on every other network I connect to? |
| 01:16.07 | jlp_work | probably, but you can stick those in an interface block in dhclient.conf so they would only affect DHCP coming in on a specific interface. if, for example, you are seeing this on a wifi interface but not when you connect with a cable |
| 01:16.26 | findlay | ok |
| 01:17.09 | jlp_work | it is also possible for a script to be doing it |
| 01:17.33 | findlay | the /etc/resolv.conf file says it's made by NetworkManager |
| 01:17.43 | jlp_work | hmmm |
| 01:17.55 | jlp_work | can't help you there... I don't use it |
| 01:18.31 | findlay | ok |
| 01:19.00 | jlp_work | perhaps it has a similar config file, though. you could search your /etc for that 196.168 address and see if it appears anywhere |
| 01:19.08 | Sargun_Screen | 192.168 |
| 01:19.14 | Sargun_Screen | I think its user error |
| 01:19.24 | jsmith | findlay: You could also run gconf-editor and make sure there's nothing stuck in the NetworkManager configs |
| 01:19.24 | jlp_work | yeah, 192.168 |
| 01:19.52 | findlay | hm |
| 01:43.32 | findlay | Sargun_Screen: I don't understand your 192.168 comment |
| 01:44.10 | Sargun_Screen | findlay: did you do the sniff? |
| 01:44.21 | findlay | not yet, sorry |
| 02:04.03 | jlp_work | findlay: Sargun_Screen was responding to my incorrect 196.168 comment |
| 02:06.34 | findlay | oh |
| 02:16.47 | findlay | Sargun_Screen: sorry, I'll have to work on this later. I've got lots of homework to do tonight. In the meantime I can just copy in a good resolv.conf when I connect here |
| 02:22.20 | Sargun_Screen | homework? that's stupid |
| 02:22.32 | Sargun_Screen | you should skip homework. |
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| 02:23.38 | brac | because sjansen is one of the day |
| 02:29.14 | findlay | -chat skip homework |
| 02:29.14 | brac | skip homework |
| 02:29.15 | findlay | -chat skip homework, |
| 02:29.16 | brac | skip homework, |
| 02:29.18 | findlay | -chat skip homework. |
| 02:29.18 | brac | skip homework. |
| 02:29.22 | findlay | blah |
| 02:29.29 | findlay | -chat you should |
| 02:29.30 | brac | you should be aware of them as well. |
| 02:40.06 | RyanE | What's the PLUG topic this week? |
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| 02:57.13 | brac | because sjansen is still working fine. I'll dive into CentOS 5 |
| 03:06.13 | Supaplex | cute |
| 04:13.09 | eightyeight | heh. appropriate too |
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| 04:45.01 | brac | because sjansen is currently connected channels on my highschool GPA would be for GNOME |
| 04:48.06 | eightyeight | what's up with brac forming incoherent sententces |
| 04:48.26 | eightyeight | s/sententces/sentences?/ |
| 04:49.16 | Supaplex | because, natural stupidity > AI ? |
| 04:49.44 | eightyeight | -chat about brac |
| 04:49.44 | brac | brac did |
| 04:49.51 | eightyeight | -chat brac did |
| 04:49.51 | brac | brac did |
| 04:49.54 | eightyeight | -chat brac did what? |
| 04:49.55 | brac | I can't do that Dave. |
| 04:49.55 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 04:50.14 | eightyeight | -chat open sesame |
| 04:50.15 | brac | open sesame |
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| 04:59.03 | tensai | eightyeight: brac merely strings together words in patterns he has previously seen using simple markov chaining |
| 04:59.14 | tensai | there's no guarantee that the sentence will actually make sense |
| 04:59.42 | eightyeight | ahh |
| 04:59.54 | tensai | his database is only of 2 word pairs, so the depth of his understanding is limited |
| 05:15.18 | Tene | My stir fry is done, but my rice isn't! This is horrible! |
| 05:23.57 | Tene | Habanero raspberry stir fry. Mmm. |
| 07:46.14 | Tene | http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/god.htm -- very interesting |
| 07:46.19 | brac | [Battleground God] |
| 07:47.11 | Sargun | you stay up late. |
| 07:47.22 | Tene | Your name starts with 'S'. |
| 07:48.15 | Sargun | I'm not wearing pants. |
| 07:48.32 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 07:49.28 | Tene | I'm very curious to see the results some people in here get from going through that. |
| 07:49.51 | Sargun | Sadly, I am wearing pants. |
| 07:49.53 | Sargun | :-( |
| 07:50.08 | Tene | I'm not! |
| 07:50.19 | Tene | sleeps now. |
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| 13:28.12 | brac | because sjansen is teaching in PDT but his plan was to monitor that has to set up with a feather and makes a pretty good substrate for cholocate!!! |
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| 14:19.09 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Gas supply situation improved in your area then? |
| 14:19.49 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yup |
| 14:19.54 | goozbach | mostly |
| 14:19.56 | fozzmoo | That's good. |
| 14:24.31 | fozzmoo | ZDNet reports "Linux-based machines are being returned at four times the rate of the Windows version." |
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| 14:55.23 | brac | because sjansen is sad but true comment on a stop sign |
| 15:01.04 | levi | Tene: I got the TPM medal of honour. |
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| 15:19.30 | elg | -metar klru |
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| 15:19.40 | brac | couldn't find weather data for KLRU |
| 15:19.44 | elg | ~metar klru |
| 15:32.43 | Tene | levi: me too |
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| 15:40.58 | bonez46 | is there a way for me to open the CUPS admin screen.. to check status of printers on one machine.. remotely? I.e., can I remotely administer CUPS from another machine? |
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| 15:42.07 | bonez45 | can one administer CUPS remotely, i.e., from another machine, using remote.machines.ip.addy:631/ or something similar? |
| 15:42.24 | bonez45 | is that possible? |
| 15:43.12 | goozbach | bonez45: yes, but you have to enable it |
| 15:43.23 | goozbach | I think that's through an xinetd config. |
| 15:43.24 | goozbach | IIRC |
| 15:45.49 | goozbach | bonez45: nope, I was wrong, it's not an xinetd config change but it's a cupsd.conf change to enable that service to listen on a different interface from localhost |
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| 15:58.24 | brac | because sjansen is not available. |
| 15:59.01 | goozbach | -chat because goozbach |
| 15:59.01 | brac | because goozbach is a mac, i'd take a degree in General so I have three machines on your chest. |
| 15:59.10 | goozbach | I'm a mac? |
| 15:59.16 | elg | congrats |
| 15:59.28 | goozbach | I feel all fruity |
| 15:59.39 | goozbach | should I be wearing a turtleneck? |
| 16:01.34 | elg | sounds more like you need armor |
| 16:01.40 | elg | unless you're buff |
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| 16:11.38 | Tene | bonez45: ssh -L 2345:localhost:631 thenameoftheremotesystem |
| 16:11.45 | Tene | bonez45: then connect to localhost:2345 |
| 16:12.20 | fozzmoo | Tene: You're so smart. |
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| 16:26.42 | levi | http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365 |
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| 16:53.47 | elg | levi: looks interesting. now if I could just remember to take my mp3 player with me... |
| 16:54.14 | levi | elg: So far, it's really informative and insightful. |
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| 16:55.33 | brac | because sjansen is sad |
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| 16:57.54 | elg | -chat now if |
| 16:57.54 | brac | now if I get disinterested after a while, it's actually not |
| 16:58.46 | Supaplex | -chat because fungus |
| 16:58.46 | brac | because fungus |
| 16:58.58 | elg | nobody rationalizes fungus |
| 16:59.10 | tvc123 | realizes he is just in a channel with bots |
| 16:59.13 | elg | my foot smelled because fungus was growing on them |
| 16:59.16 | Jayce^ | do not truffle with the humungous fungus |
| 16:59.25 | elg | -chat because fungus |
| 16:59.26 | brac | because fungus was growing up with clownpenis.fart |
| 16:59.38 | fungus | WTF?!?! |
| 16:59.55 | fungus | ~lart brac |
| 16:59.55 | ibot | lowers brac's priority |
| 17:00.04 | Jayce^ | woudl be even better if his irc client beeped when we said his name |
| 17:00.48 | Tene | Jayce^: http://www.tinyurl.com/duckroll |
| 17:07.08 | Supaplex | fungus: wow :P |
| 17:07.52 | neybar | speaking of Truffles... I watched Goonies last night. I think that show held up better in my memories. :) |
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| 17:17.39 | harleypig | Nice imagery Pratchett uses: When in Paradise Lost Miltonâs Satan stood in the pit of hell and raged at heaven, he was merely a trifle miffed compared to how I felt that day. |
| 17:17.52 | harleypig | http://tinyurl.com/3w2zs6 |
| 17:18.15 | levi | Wild. Apparently the stock injection plan was added to the bailout bill under the radar, so it's now an option along with the junk asset buyout. Who knows if the Treasury Secretary will use it, though. |
| 17:19.21 | tvc123 | got to love how even in a national crisis senators still are willing to put in their earmarks |
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| 17:20.17 | levi | That, in particular, is not an earmark. |
| 17:20.37 | jalbretsen | hasn't part of the election fun and talk been getting rid of earmarks? |
| 17:20.47 | levi | It's a different approach to the bailout that more economists approve of, but the banks absolutely don't want. |
| 17:23.00 | jalbretsen | and why call them earmarks? Simpson's had such a better description using paperclips |
| 17:30.26 | Sargun_Screen | you didn't know about the stock injection plan? |
| 17:30.39 | Sargun_Screen | or that it was in the bill |
| 17:31.23 | levi | Sargun_Screen: That it was in the bill that was passed. |
| 17:31.38 | levi | I did know what the stock injection plan was. |
| 17:31.54 | Sargun_Screen | ah |
| 17:32.06 | harleypig | So, what's up tomorrow night for pLUG? |
| 17:32.12 | Sargun_Screen | okay. you don't listen to NPR enough ;-) |
| 17:32.40 | Sargun_Screen | well, its an option remember.. |
| 17:33.01 | Sargun_Screen | at least there is a scientist serving on the plan |
| 17:33.05 | levi | Sargun_Screen: In case you weren't paying attention, I got that piece of information FROM LISTENING TO NPR, you idiot. |
| 17:33.21 | Sargun_Screen | I said enough. |
| 17:33.51 | Supaplex | you should have stopped with "ah". :p |
| 17:34.15 | Sargun_Screen | Supaplex: I had him at 'ah' |
| 17:35.00 | neybar | harleypig: I think PLUG meetings are dead |
| 17:35.06 | levi | Sargun, master debater in his own mind. :P |
| 17:36.33 | maquis | Sargun_Screen: levi: important detail to remember |
| 17:36.50 | maquis | NPR is going to have different programming depending on where you are |
| 17:37.21 | maquis | NPR in california will have a slightly different set of content from NPR in Utah |
| 17:37.30 | levi | NPR on the website is always the same. |
| 17:37.36 | maquis | true |
| 17:37.51 | levi | For those just joining in the conversation... |
| 17:37.56 | Sargun_Screen | maquis: good point |
| 17:38.05 | levi | I posted a link to This American Life's website a little while ago. |
| 17:38.36 | levi | Specificially the page on episode 365, "Another Frightening Show About the Economy" |
| 17:39.15 | Sargun_Screen | oh I listened to that |
| 17:39.22 | levi | I can tell. |
| 17:39.32 | Sargun_Screen | are you listening to plant money? |
| 17:40.42 | Sargun_Screen | planet |
| 17:40.49 | levi | No, not right now. |
| 17:41.24 | unum | http://www.wired.com/print/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/10/securitymatters_1002 |
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| 17:42.55 | fozzmoo | As usual, Schneier has some good points. |
| 17:43.18 | maquis | fozzmoo: true. i haven't ever seen him *not* have some good points, i think |
| 17:43.23 | fozzmoo | He's a bit idealistic... but who can blame him? |
| 17:45.38 | levi | fozzmoo: And you're not 'a bit idealistic'? Pot, kettle, etc. :) |
| 17:48.05 | gabegundy | levi: he is... but who can blame him? |
| 17:48.05 | levi | I'm curious what you mean by that, though. |
| 17:53.22 | levi | Well, his statement suggests that Schneier made good points, but that his idealistic bias led him to some sort of incorrect conclusion that fozzmoo, with his mind unfettered by idealism, would not have reached. |
| 17:59.25 | levi | I am merely suggesting that disagreement is as likely to be caused by fozzmoo's ideological bias as Schneier's. |
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| 18:16.58 | levi | Bummer about Omniture no longer hosting PLUG. |
| 18:21.22 | maquis | why not? |
| 18:21.31 | maquis | omniture still has cool swag at career fairs |
| 18:22.41 | levi | Apparently the manager who was supporting it is no longer there, or something like that. |
| 18:25.54 | jsmith | Figures... |
| 18:26.17 | jsmith | should probably keep his mouth shut, as an ex-Omniture guy that tried and tried to get them to take a more active role in the local open source community |
| 18:30.51 | levi | Yeah, that *just might* be more useful to them than zillions of silly billboards. :) |
| 18:33.28 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.33 | jsmith | Uh, yeah! |
| 18:33.53 | maquis | handing out shirts, cookies and tons of other swag at career fairs isn't bad, though |
| 18:34.10 | maquis | especially since they're willing to give them to other recruiters... :) |
| 18:34.40 | levi | Yeah, if you just want a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears graduates and desperate losers to apply. ;) |
| 18:45.22 | JoshH | the mozy billboards make me laugh. former coworker left to go there, and talks about how they are nazis about the internet, and limit him to 80/443. but i guess having rock band at meetings is supposed to make it worth the crappy treatment. |
| 18:45.58 | levi | We're stuck with 80/443 here, but fortunately ssh runs just fine on 443. :) |
| 18:46.15 | JoshH | besides, these days what company doesn't have rock band |
| 18:46.36 | levi | We don't have rock band, but we have a real rock band for company meetings. |
| 18:46.42 | high_roller | we only have guitar hero :( |
| 18:47.16 | levi | And we can get guitar pedals and such super cheap! ;) |
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| 18:48.00 | JoshH | we have lots of games, but rock band is all anyone plays |
| 18:48.25 | unum | my best friend is at a company that was victim to one of the biggest hacks. so they really restrict the main connection and tell people to bring in laptops to connect to the wifi, and they can do what ever they want |
| 18:48.30 | unum | we don't have any games |
| 18:49.05 | unum | it's funny because some of my coworkers often don't have much to do, but one of the owners will throw a fit if he catches them playing games |
| 18:49.19 | unum | he expects them to sit around and redo work they've already done |
| 18:49.45 | JoshH | to be fair, he said the restrictions at mozy mostly started after the EMC buyout |
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| 18:50.32 | JoshH | levi: he says they also do deep packet inspection, and get mad if you catch you ssh'd out |
| 18:50.52 | JoshH | and this guy is basically one of their top network architects |
| 18:51.52 | levi | I don't think our IT dept. is sophisticated enough to do deep packet inspection. |
| 18:52.27 | levi | But yeah, our policy is due to some high IT mucky-mucks in corporate somewhere. |
| 18:52.46 | levi | One of the downsides of working at a gigantic corporation. |
| 18:53.31 | levi | For the most part, I don't generally feel like I work at a gigantic corporation though, aside from the part where I get great benefits and a good salary. |
| 18:58.09 | unum | eventually I set the whole department up with proxy access. they couldn't even do their jobs. |
| 18:58.22 | unum | that's one thing I'm always fighting with the it admin about |
| 18:58.48 | unum | it's so dumb. we do political research you CAN'T block sites about controversial subjects. |
| 19:12.12 | neybar | if you don't mind me being nosy... where do you work levi? |
| 19:12.25 | levi | Harman International |
| 19:13.28 | levi | Makers of fine audio gear under several brand names, such as Harman Kardon, JBL, Infinity, etc. Also a bunch of pro audio and car audio stuff. |
| 19:13.51 | neybar | cool |
| 19:14.04 | levi | I'm in the Corporate Technology Group, working on audio/video networking technology. |
| 19:19.34 | unum | trivia time! |
| 19:19.50 | unum | name all 13 programs in the us welfare system |
| 19:22.43 | jsmith | jokingly wonders if one of them is called "No Lazy Bum Left Behind" |
| 19:22.59 | unum | no |
| 19:23.05 | unum | :p |
| 19:26.37 | harleypig | Free Food for Lazy Bums |
| 19:26.47 | harleypig | Free Cheap Medical for Lazy Bums |
| 19:27.02 | harleypig | Free Money for Lazy Bums |
| 19:27.12 | unum | under the state system the free food and money are much harder to get now |
| 19:27.23 | unum | well of coure you can always get pregnant... |
| 19:27.47 | unum | or give your self a disability :) |
| 19:28.21 | harleypig | I look pregnant ... will that work? |
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| 19:32.24 | maquis | is in favor of a max time for welfare payouts... (with some exceptions for particularly serious situations) |
| 19:32.48 | maquis | sometimes, things happen and someone might need a bit of help while they get themselves back on their feet |
| 19:33.29 | maquis | but it shouldn't be a permanent thing. |
| 19:34.19 | maquis | except in really exceptional situations |
| 19:35.30 | harleypig | maquis: Utah has a 5 year max limit. |
| 19:36.00 | maquis | hp: that's definitely a step in the right direction, although 5 years is a pretty long time, imho |
| 19:36.13 | harleypig | It's a life time limit. |
| 19:36.40 | harleypig | You can go on for a year, then 10 years later go on again and that 1 year is still on the books. |
| 19:36.49 | maquis | i guess i've just seen too many people asking for handouts because they thought the available jobs in the area were below them (ie, "i need help paying my rent because i don't want to work bagging groceries") |
| 19:37.01 | harleypig | yeah |
| 19:37.02 | maquis | hp: hmm... that actually makes a lot of sense |
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| 19:38.06 | harleypig | maquis: it's a balancing act ... if you go to work at fast food employers are going to wonder why you couldn't get hired in your field of work. |
| 19:38.13 | maquis | if someone's not actively trying to improve their situation, i have very little sympathy. i do, however, have a lot of sympathy for people who are taking whatever jobs they can get... |
| 19:38.17 | harleypig | As unfair as it is, that's they way it happens. |
| 19:38.51 | RyanE | harleypig: you don't have to put McDonald's *on your resume*... :) |
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| 19:39.03 | harleypig | Then you have to explaing the missed time. |
| 19:39.05 | RyanE | I think a 5-month gap might look better than 5-months at McD... |
| 19:39.08 | maquis | harleypig: i can understand that if someone's working fast-food for a long period of time, but if they do that for 6 months to a year, and they are asked "why were you doing this" and they say "i got laid off and needed to support my family" |
| 19:39.25 | harleypig | like I said, its a balancing act. |
| 19:39.34 | maquis | that shows that they don't have too much pride and that they're willing to do what it takes to get stuff done |
| 19:39.35 | RyanE | It all depends on the environment and time frame. I was laid off in 2001 from Intel, had a 5 month gap, no one has ever asked about it, because the timeframe was a bad time for CS grads. |
| 19:40.02 | maquis | they're self-reliant and they are willing to do the less glamorous jobs if it needs to get done |
| 19:40.11 | jsmith | I've interviewed people with a gap, and been impressed when they told me they delivered pizzas to make ends meet |
| 19:40.13 | maquis | imho, that's pretty positive |
| 19:40.42 | harleypig | maquis: very true, but ime those are not the usual view of interviewers. |
| 19:40.55 | elg | nobody says you have to put mcdonalds on your resume |
| 19:40.58 | maquis | and, if you have to be working mcdonalds or pizza delivery or whatever to make ends meet, you might have time in the evenings to do some studying and brushing up on skills as well... |
| 19:41.04 | elg | and if you do some consulting on the side it can smooth over the gap |
| 19:41.14 | elg | even if you didn't get many gigs during that period, they'll figure that's what you were up to |
| 19:41.43 | RyanE | yeah, a few 1-week consulting gigs can look like 5 months of consulting... :) |
| 19:42.17 | elg | you don't have to put the individual gigs on your resume either |
| 19:42.26 | elg | just some indication that you do/did consulting |
| 19:42.51 | RyanE | that's what I'd do, if I'd done consulting gigs when I was laid off. Just put 'Consulting', and a few names of the gigs. |
| 19:42.58 | RyanE | over the entire range |
| 19:43.02 | elg | ya |
| 19:43.25 | RyanE | now, if they ask you What you were Consulting for McDonalds, then you can go into details... "Well, I helped them improve their workflow, especially on the Big Mac line... :) " |
| 19:43.31 | elg | and really, if you're any good (but maybe not in 2001...) you can make more doing half time consulting than mcdonalds |
| 19:43.32 | jsmith | And give details on the type of consulting projects :-) |
| 19:43.55 | elg | which is a lot more fun, even if you don't get free big macs |
| 19:44.29 | jsmith | My favorite is the "I was the President/CEO/CIO of MyOwnJob, Inc."... and now I'm applying for your Junior Padowan position |
| 19:44.38 | RyanE | heh. |
| 19:48.31 | elg | i think calling yourself president/ceo/cio/etc. is pretty silly, if technically accurate perhaps |
| 19:48.37 | elg | I prefer proprietor or owner |
| 19:54.33 | jsmith | A friend of mine runs his own business, and his title is "Regional Sales Manager" |
| 19:54.46 | jsmith | He just always happens to cover the region the client lives in |
| 19:54.51 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:14.41 | unum | so using postfix is there a way to kill an email that's list in mailq |
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| 20:23.42 | bonez45 | goozbach: still around? |
| 20:24.07 | bonez45 | goozbach: I am still wondering about remote adminstration of CUP.....you said it's with cupsd.conf .. ? |
| 20:24.21 | Tene | bonez45: are you on a linux box locally? |
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| 20:24.42 | brac | because sjansen is sad |
| 20:25.01 | Sargun | I've used CUPSd as a printing server for about 15 windows boxes. |
| 20:26.00 | bonez45 | Tene: I have two linux boxen.. one runs apache, exim4, and cups... and I want to remotely administer it.. from my other ubuntu box.. mainly because the box I want to administer doesn't have it's own KV or M, but is accessed via ssh, et al.. |
| 20:26.28 | Tene | bonez45: ssh -L 2345:localhost:631 otherserver |
| 20:26.35 | Tene | then go to http://localhost:2345/ |
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| 20:27.04 | unum | how do I use grep across multiple lines. |
| 20:27.32 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.47 | unum | oh..... |
| 20:27.59 | Tene | unum: explain more? |
| 20:28.36 | unum | I need the line before the one I'm matching |
| 20:28.52 | Tene | grep -B1 |
| 20:29.22 | Tene | then if you don't need the line that matched, grep -v it out |
| 20:29.42 | unum | thanks that's exactly what Ineeded |
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| 20:37.12 | bonez45 | Tene: thanks...that's got it going.. where'd you pick that up? |
| 20:37.35 | Tene | I got it from 'man ssh' |
| 20:38.01 | sjansen | waves to Tene |
| 20:38.13 | bonez45 | thanks... tene |
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| 21:02.46 | levi | So weird to read Linus's blog: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/ |
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| 21:16.56 | Tene | sjansen: check your IM! |
| 21:19.21 | harleypig | The McCain party wants Bristol Palin to get married before the election. |
| 21:19.41 | harleypig | Bristol Palin says she's on top of it ... but that's what caused the problem in the first place, isn't it? |
| 21:21.06 | Tene | Heh. |
| 21:21.08 | fozzmoo | har har har |
| 21:21.51 | fozzmoo | i don'tk now how wise it is for Linus to blog. |
| 21:22.05 | fozzmoo | but, oh well. We'll see how it goes. |
| 21:23.53 | harleypig | why not? |
| 21:28.23 | fozzmoo | He seems to be most effective when he keeps quiet and then issues one or two small, but very profound, statements. |
| 21:28.43 | Tene | If you watch the right mailing lists, he's not very quiet at all. |
| 21:29.07 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I know... and not very well-liked either. |
| 21:29.29 | fozzmoo | Some people call him "the kernel nazi." |
| 21:30.05 | fozzmoo | hates Oracle, btw |
| 21:31.34 | Tene | Me TOO! |
| 21:38.02 | unum | is not a linus fan |
| 21:48.52 | high_roller | harleypig: getting pregnant might have been her first mistake, but being forced to marry someone is usually a much bigger mistake |
| 21:50.12 | high_roller | (referring to bristol palin |
| 21:56.35 | Heartsbane | RUN LEVI RUN!!! |
| 21:58.34 | Heartsbane | in reference to Levi Johnston not levi of irc.freenode.net |
| 22:00.24 | harleypig | high_roller: I dunno ... arranged marriages have worked before ... |
| 22:00.48 | harleypig | and I have a few friends who've stayed married after getting knocked up. |
| 22:01.06 | harleypig | err ... that didn't come out right. |
| 22:01.24 | harleypig | They got married bvecause they got knocked up, and they're still together |
| 22:03.22 | high_roller | harleypig: I've seen a number of cases where young people were basically forced to get married, but then later ended up divorced |
| 22:05.00 | high_roller | I guess it depends on the exact situation |
| 22:05.53 | bonez45 | Tene: is it possible to print from one network to another? I have two broadband connections at home.. one was always here, other was from my office, which I recently MOVED to home.. both signals, both static IP's traverse the same coax to my house from Comcast.. each has it's own SMC gateway device.. one is for home network stuff, the other for my work networking.. is it possible to share files and printers across these two networks? |
| 22:06.04 | harleypig | high_roller: yeah |
| 22:06.25 | harleypig | high_roller: but the political people involved don't care about long term effects |
| 22:07.16 | high_roller | that statement is true about pretty much everything with politics |
| 22:09.04 | harleypig | yep |
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| 22:22.44 | brac | because sjansen is one big filesystem |
| 22:40.37 | levi | high_roller: Discounting long term effects is prevalent in politics, business, and just about everywhere else, because it's a human psychological issue. You can convince yourself to deal with long term stuff, but it takes training. |
| 22:41.32 | high_roller | levi: true |
| 22:42.32 | levi | Ignoring long-term stuff does seem to be institutionalized in the big business world, though. |
| 22:43.31 | levi | But that may just be the human short-term bias asserting itself on the market. |
| 22:46.31 | levi | I wonder how much work has been done on building economic theories based on human psychological biases and irrational behaviors. I know there's been at least some work, but AFAIK there's no serious challenger to rational actor-based economic theories. |
| 22:46.36 | harleypig | Funny album title: "Even darves start small" |
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| 23:03.55 | brac | because sjansen is a person can come up with lots of fun. |
| 23:10.21 | sjansen | ~ping rsimpkins |
| 23:10.33 | herlo | ~apb rsimpkins |
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| 23:50.29 | mrpull-x | aarrrgh. i'm in a smoking room for the next three nights and it is making me sick. |
| 23:57.05 | high_roller | mrpull-x: ask if the front desk has an ozone ionizer machine |
| 23:57.34 | high_roller | I was stuck in a smoking room, and they put one of those in the room for a couple of hours and it made it bearable |
| 23:58.10 | mrpull-x | i asked for a new room. no dice. |
| 23:58.50 | mrpull-x | they sent up a maintenance man with a can of spray deodorizer and now it is worse. I'll tough it out till morning and try to get another room then. |