| 00:10.50 | Sargun | Tene, yt? |
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| 01:00.05 | tripzero | you guys are great, the mplayer command to play conference was what I was about to ask... |
| 01:00.07 | tripzero | :D |
| 01:06.31 | levi | Ahh, working thermostat again. |
| 01:06.39 | levi | Had to return the last one and get a new new one. |
| 01:07.55 | tripzero | wireless thermostat? |
| 01:09.26 | eightyeight | tripzero: is the priesthood session online? |
| 01:09.37 | eightyeight | that woult be great if so |
| 01:10.26 | tripzero | dunno, i would doubt it though |
| 01:10.37 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 01:10.37 | tripzero | i think i'm missing some codecs required to play the stream |
| 01:10.48 | tripzero | i'm getting 403 forbiddon |
| 01:10.57 | eightyeight | i have to say that i've never really understood that |
| 01:11.26 | eightyeight | it ends up in the ensign, so why not public? |
| 01:11.34 | tripzero | true |
| 01:12.48 | eightyeight | speaking of which, is it bad that i'm on irc in the church? :) |
| 01:13.22 | tripzero | they probably dont stream it for the same reason they require windows and mac to be able to see it from the web site |
| 01:13.38 | tripzero | lol irc, church |
| 01:14.18 | tripzero | or maybe they figure it's better for the preisthood to gather for it? |
| 01:14.27 | tripzero | at the stake cent... |
| 01:15.03 | levi | It's a wired thermostat. |
| 01:15.04 | tripzero | you can get the mp3 of it later afair |
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| 01:17.11 | tripzero | levi: i've got my wireless thermostat programmed to control my stupid swamp cooler in my apt currently... |
| 01:17.34 | levi | Why a wireless one? |
| 01:17.38 | tripzero | it's an ir controlled swamp cooler, so it wasn't to hard to program |
| 01:18.02 | levi | My thermostat controls our central heat/AC. |
| 01:18.04 | tripzero | wireless so it will talk to my home automation controller |
| 01:19.01 | levi | Ahh. |
| 01:19.12 | levi | I haven't done any home automation stuff. |
| 01:19.21 | tripzero | if it was just a normal wired tstat, i'd have to use the remote to control the cooler |
| 01:19.37 | tripzero | now, it's triggered by the tstat :) |
| 01:19.48 | tripzero | levi: you really need to get into home automation, it's fun |
| 01:19.57 | levi | Though my wife likes to have some lights go on and off automatically, and the kids play with the dials on the timers. |
| 01:20.09 | levi | I have too many other hobbies to take up one like that. |
| 01:20.20 | tripzero | hehe |
| 01:21.51 | tripzero | i get the hardware through work, that's my excuse for having time to do it |
| 01:22.29 | levi | Ahh. Did you recently change your nick? |
| 01:22.51 | tripzero | no, why? |
| 01:23.32 | tripzero | i'm sometimes known as trip0 |
| 01:23.33 | levi | Do you work at Control4? |
| 01:23.33 | tripzero | yessir |
| 01:23.33 | tripzero | :) |
| 01:23.33 | Tene | Sargun: I'm here now. |
| 01:23.33 | levi | Ahh, then there's someone else here who works there too. |
| 01:23.38 | levi | I almost took a job there. How's business going? |
| 01:23.57 | levi | Are there still plans to move offices? |
| 01:23.58 | tripzero | good great |
| 01:24.16 | tripzero | going great* |
| 01:24.41 | tripzero | i work on the hospitality project. We open in our first hotel next month |
| 01:24.52 | Sargun | what is taht |
| 01:24.54 | eightyeight | tripzero: yeah. there is power in numbers. and it encourages fathers iwth sons and brothers |
| 01:25.02 | Sargun | Tene, who is the figurehead of the Parrot project |
| 01:25.28 | tripzero | the plans to move offices are being prolonged... there are some businesses leaving our current building, so we will eventually use that space |
| 01:25.31 | Tene | Sargun: figurehead? in what sense? |
| 01:25.35 | Tene | why are you asking? |
| 01:25.49 | Sargun | have you heard of a show called FLOSS Weekly |
| 01:26.00 | tripzero | sargun, yes |
| 01:26.06 | Sargun | Figurehead = representative to the outside world |
| 01:26.07 | tripzero | i thought it got cancelled |
| 01:26.12 | levi | That's too bad. Moving to the point of the mountain would make it a lot more attractive to me. |
| 01:26.35 | tripzero | levi: it's not too far currently from the point... where are you at currently? |
| 01:26.43 | Tene | Sargun: I haven't heard of it. |
| 01:26.56 | Tene | Sargun: are you involved with them. |
| 01:26.58 | Sargun | Hospitality project - Link? |
| 01:27.04 | Sargun | Tene, Sure. twit.tv/floss |
| 01:27.07 | tripzero | i once missed my exit daydreaming and ended up in lehi... |
| 01:27.39 | Tene | Sargun: what are you asking for? |
| 01:27.39 | tripzero | Sargun: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Mgm-Mirage-NYSE-MGM-899834.html |
| 01:27.50 | levi | tripzero: I live in Lehi and work in Sandy. You must have skipped more than one exit if you ended up in Lehi! |
| 01:28.07 | Sargun | Tene, someone to interview |
| 01:28.13 | Sargun | about Parrot |
| 01:28.39 | tripzero | levi: yeah, I was day dreaming way too much that morning... |
| 01:28.39 | Tene | Sargun: allison randall might be a good choice |
| 01:28.45 | Tene | chromatic would be an excellent choice |
| 01:28.51 | tripzero | it wasn't exactly lehi, it was more the exit to go to cabella's |
| 01:29.02 | Tene | patrick michaud might be good, depending on the focus of the interview. |
| 01:29.25 | Sargun | Tene, It'd be an interview for common man |
| 01:29.35 | levi | tripzero: Well, that is Lehi. But that's at least the 2nd exit past where you'd normally get off. |
| 01:29.52 | Sargun | tripzero, neat. What communication bus(ses) does the system use? |
| 01:30.19 | Tene | Sargun: give me an example of the first few questions. |
| 01:30.54 | Sargun | What does your project do? How does your project compare to JVM? Why did you create parrot? |
| 01:31.11 | tripzero | sargun, the infrastructure uses tcp ethernet, 802.15 (not sure) zigbee wireless, and 802.11b/g wifi |
| 01:31.30 | tripzero | does that answer the question? |
| 01:31.42 | Tene | Yes, chromatic and alison randall are the best choices for that. |
| 01:31.58 | Sargun | tripzero, Yup. |
| 01:32.04 | levi | 802.15 includes Bluetooth |
| 01:32.07 | Sargun | Tene, email addresses? |
| 01:32.17 | Sargun | tripzero, what kind of security? |
| 01:32.35 | levi | tripzero: Not using RS485 anymore? |
| 01:32.42 | tripzero | ssl for the tcp stuff |
| 01:33.49 | Sargun | and no security on Zigbee except signed headers I assume? |
| 01:33.50 | tripzero | levi: not anymore (that i know of) |
| 01:34.27 | Tene | Sargun: you get both of those? |
| 01:34.30 | tripzero | sargun: not too sure, zigbee pro is supposed to have additional security... |
| 01:34.39 | levi | tripzero: It's bene over a year since I interviewed there, so I imagine a bit has changed. |
| 01:34.47 | levi | s/bene/been |
| 01:34.48 | tripzero | sargun: it uses keys... |
| 01:35.32 | tripzero | sargun, we are currently moving to use zigbee pro for this reason |
| 01:35.53 | tripzero | it's really easy to steal control of a nearby device running regular zigbee |
| 01:36.44 | tripzero | levi: we do control devices over rs232 |
| 01:47.53 | tripzero | anyone else getting errors when running 'mplayer mms://us-eu-st14g1.att-idns.net/3102_8325_01.asf' ? |
| 01:50.13 | tripzero | http://pastebin.com/m522fc7e7 |
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| 02:19.07 | kebomix_ | Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links Here http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
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| 02:25.35 | tripzero | spam? |
| 02:34.25 | Sargun | cool. |
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| 04:33.10 | levi | laughs at Leno's VP debate 'moderation'. |
| 05:25.24 | levi | Man, Visual Studio, as it relates to Windows Forms programming, is a steaming pile of garbage. |
| 05:25.57 | levi | Other aspects of VS are not so bad, but Windows Forms are an abomination. |
| 05:29.15 | high_roller | they aren't making you use that crap at school are they? |
| 05:32.16 | levi | Yes. |
| 05:32.29 | high_roller | school is worthless |
| 05:32.58 | levi | Also, the pile of code I'm supposed to be extending was not designed to be extended in the way we're supposed to. |
| 05:33.09 | Sargun | high_roller, I agree |
| 05:33.18 | levi | School is far from worthless. |
| 05:33.37 | high_roller | well I guess they are accuratly depicting scenarios from the real world |
| 05:33.47 | Sargun | hehe |
| 05:33.59 | levi | There's actually a lot of really cool stuff I'm learning from this class. |
| 05:34.31 | high_roller | which class is that |
| 05:34.41 | levi | Digital Image Processing and Computer Vision. |
| 05:36.08 | high_roller | couldn't they use something better that VS for that? |
| 05:36.16 | Sargun | interesting. |
| 05:36.35 | Sargun | have you looked at what the roboticore guys have done? |
| 05:36.35 | levi | Well, you have to use *something*. |
| 05:36.37 | high_roller | like using nvidia's new stuff for processing stuff with the GPU |
| 05:37.10 | high_roller | well the bottom line is that it sucks having to buy software for school |
| 05:37.11 | levi | The math and algorithms are the same whether you use the CPU or GPU. |
| 05:37.18 | levi | You don't have to buy it. |
| 05:37.26 | levi | I didn't buy Visual Studio. |
| 05:37.32 | high_roller | somebody has to buy it |
| 05:37.39 | levi | Microsoft gives it to students. |
| 05:37.48 | levi | And VS Express is free anyway. |
| 05:37.49 | high_roller | the first hit is always free :) |
| 05:38.24 | high_roller | any you have to buy windows to run it on, unless it runs on wine |
| 05:38.24 | Sargun | haha |
| 05:38.30 | Sargun | what about photoshop |
| 05:38.38 | levi | No, they give you a free copy of Windows XP or Vista. |
| 05:38.53 | levi | Or you can use the lab computers. |
| 05:38.56 | Sargun | levi, my school didn't/doesn't |
| 05:39.06 | Sargun | (give you a free copy of PS) |
| 05:39.15 | levi | Sargun: The school doesn't, MS Educational Alliance or whatever it's called does. |
| 05:39.22 | Sargun | nor them |
| 05:39.27 | Sargun | Ah |
| 05:39.33 | Sargun | I don't know about M/S |
| 05:39.40 | Sargun | I know Adobe's policies suck |
| 05:39.41 | levi | I don't know about Photoshop. Probably not. |
| 05:39.54 | levi | I don't have any Photoshop-related classes. |
| 05:40.25 | levi | This class teaches how to program a subset of the features of Photoshop, though. |
| 05:40.42 | Sargun | yeah |
| 05:40.46 | Sargun | I'm just saying |
| 05:41.19 | high_roller | levi: you're at UVU right? |
| 05:41.34 | levi | I'm supposed to be adding laplacian, sobel, mean, and contrast equalization filters. |
| 05:41.37 | levi | high_roller: Yes. |
| 05:42.22 | levi | I've already written a histogram thing; I'm just trying to get it to integrate with the crappy pile of code we're supposed to add the stuff to. |
| 05:42.55 | high_roller | yea, that's part of the reason I stopped going there, too much focus on proprietary stuff. Eventhough I had 2 years of C and C++ the fact that I didn't do it with VS meant I had to take the classes over again |
| 05:43.10 | levi | It's not even completely crappy, it's just extensibility designed into it on the wrong axes. |
| 05:44.02 | levi | high_roller: What? Admittedly I didn't take any lower-level classes here, but this is only the second time I've been required to do anything with Visual Studio. |
| 05:44.19 | levi | The other time, I only wrote a Visual Studio shim and did everything else in OCaml. |
| 05:44.35 | high_roller | levi: they might have changed the requirements, its been a few years, but still it made me upset |
| 05:45.03 | levi | How many years? |
| 05:45.12 | high_roller | 2002 was my last year there |
| 05:46.00 | levi | So, you're saying that you couldn't transfer your C/C++ credits because they weren't Visual Studio ones? |
| 05:46.13 | high_roller | yup |
| 05:46.51 | high_roller | all the other schools I attended took them, no problem |
| 05:47.43 | levi | I know Chuck Allison, who is the resident C++ guru and advocate, doesn't use Visual Studio. |
| 05:48.32 | levi | I don't recall if I had any C or C++ classes with grades worth transferring. |
| 05:48.51 | high_roller | well, I'm not going back to UVU so it doesn't matter now |
| 05:48.58 | levi | There's a requirement to take one of Java, Visual Basic, or C#. |
| 05:49.09 | levi | I took Java. |
| 05:49.21 | high_roller | I've been accepted to Utah State, and they'll take all my credits |
| 05:49.40 | high_roller | plus they have a campus extension here in Price |
| 05:49.58 | levi | Well, that's nice. Utah State gave me the run around when I wanted to take extension classes. |
| 05:50.39 | levi | UVU has really worked with me, and although there have been some craptacular classes, there have been some great ones too. |
| 05:50.41 | high_roller | yea? Utah State has given me the least amount of run around than any other school I've attended |
| 05:51.09 | levi | Your transcript was probably not as abysmal as mine was. ;) |
| 05:51.20 | high_roller | yea, mine's 3.9 |
| 05:51.39 | high_roller | I just need money |
| 05:51.48 | levi | I generally did very well in all the classes I passed. :P |
| 05:51.57 | levi | I started at BYU back in '94. |
| 05:52.19 | high_roller | you're a bit ahead of me, I started at CEU in '97 |
| 05:53.31 | high_roller | but school slowed down, had to get a job |
| 05:53.35 | high_roller | does not have rich parents |
| 05:53.50 | high_roller | does not want 30,000 in student load debt |
| 05:54.23 | levi | I didn't really have my head screwed on straight while at BYU, and on top of that I felt that there was an artificially inflated workload to make the smart kids' grades into a curve. |
| 05:55.31 | high_roller | yea, I saw a buddy of mine work way too hard to pass english 101 |
| 05:55.51 | high_roller | so I said no way to BYU |
| 05:56.17 | levi | BYU is made for people wired differently than me. |
| 05:56.31 | high_roller | problem is, when I lived in the Orem area, and I told people I was going to UVSC (UVU) they thought I was a flunkie |
| 05:56.53 | levi | I thought UVSC kids were flunkies, too. :) |
| 05:57.05 | high_roller | well a few of them probably were |
| 05:57.20 | levi | Yeah, I still see some in the upper level CS classes there. |
| 05:57.27 | high_roller | judging by the computer science classes I took |
| 05:57.42 | levi | But there are a lot of smart professionals in my classes, too. |
| 05:58.02 | high_roller | oh, well at this point I'm getting my degree just to get it, I don't really need it anymore |
| 05:58.20 | levi | Me too, except I want to move on to grad school at some point. |
| 05:58.40 | high_roller | it seems when you get to the 5+ years experience not having a bachelors isn't a big deal |
| 05:59.07 | levi | Probably depends on the people you know. |
| 05:59.35 | levi | And the jobs you're applying for. |
| 05:59.44 | high_roller | true, however, I wouldn't have made it nearly as far had I stayed in Orem |
| 06:00.50 | high_roller | and when doing support stuff they are more flexible with the requirements |
| 06:01.16 | levi | I'm not sure what you're talking about anymore. |
| 06:01.40 | high_roller | ha ha ha neither do I |
| 06:02.15 | high_roller | Its late and I have this whole dialog in my head, but only one or two sentences are making it out |
| 06:02.24 | high_roller | so i'm going to crash now |
| 06:03.01 | high_roller | laters |
| 06:06.16 | levi | Seeya. |
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| 15:02.05 | brac | sjansen is that you're like 17, right? |
| 15:23.16 | vontrapp | -chat because sjansen |
| 15:23.17 | brac | because sjansen is one thing MS got right now if only suse would leave a piece of junk I've ever heard Ravel, you've missed my earlier question? |
| 15:23.34 | vontrapp | aaah, ravel! |
| 15:24.00 | vontrapp | plays bolero |
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| 16:04.06 | brac | sjansen is back |
| 16:17.42 | elg | -chat my dog |
| 16:17.43 | brac | my dog stops to sound rude, but they have some sort |
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| 17:48.22 | vontrapp | ~onjoin elg because sjansen |
| 17:48.22 | ibot | vontrapp: ok |
| 17:48.58 | vontrapp | ~onjoin elg -chat because sjansen |
| 17:48.58 | ibot | ok, vontrapp |
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| 19:52.36 | brac | because sjansen is pretty decent |
| 20:34.16 | tensai | ~seen findlay |
| 20:34.18 | ibot | findlay <n=justin@65-100-215-29.slkc.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 17h 17m 38s ago, saying: 'I found http://sports.yahoo.com'. |
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| 21:49.05 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on redbeard2 |
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| 22:26.29 | tharmor | does mplayer support mkv files via xvmc? |
| 22:26.52 | tharmor | and/or does vlc support xvmc offloading? |
| 23:33.55 | Sargun | xvmc? |
| 23:34.02 | Sargun | Questions too weird! |
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| 23:37.30 | brac | because sjansen is teaching people that will slowly replace governments until one mom calls in because of all your appointments. |
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