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| 01:03.37 | eightyeight | that last post by matt asay... |
| 01:03.57 | eightyeight | gentoo on the decline? probably. bad reporting though |
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| 02:22.33 | levi | Gentoo on the decline? Hopefully. :) |
| 02:50.09 | eightyeight | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10047439-16.html?tag=mncol;title |
| 02:50.12 | eightyeight | is the link |
| 02:50.47 | nick125 | Is Distrowatch still spreading that disinformation? |
| 02:51.06 | eightyeight | dunno. link is from cnet |
| 02:51.09 | eightyeight | matt asay |
| 02:52.36 | nick125 | sighs |
| 02:54.11 | nick125 | They really seem to be the Fox News of the Linux world.. |
| 02:54.24 | eightyeight | according to your distrowatch, gentoo hit its peak in 2003, and has been on the steady decline since |
| 02:56.35 | nick125 | Didn't they say that Gentoo was dying a year ago? I really haven't seen it. |
| 02:57.41 | eightyeight | i've heard from a couple of sources that the main developers can't resolve conflicts in an agreeable manner |
| 02:57.49 | eightyeight | and that one of the main devs left the project |
| 02:58.10 | nick125 | So Gentoo is dying because a few developers can't get their stuff straight? |
| 02:58.50 | eightyeight | have i said they're dying? i asked? i linked an article |
| 02:59.02 | eightyeight | s/ed?/ed./ |
| 02:59.56 | nick125 | All that I've read in that article is that a lot of (inactive) developers were retired this year. |
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| 04:19.40 | levi | sighs |
| 04:20.18 | levi | I really need to re-implement this image processing program that I'm supposed to be extending in a sane manner. I just don't have the time. |
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| 14:28.18 | Jayce^ | happy financial nationalization day comrades |
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| 16:04.01 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:22.12 | fozzmoo | levi: good morning to you. |
| 16:26.35 | goozbach | good afternoon here |
| 16:27.07 | RyanE | I said "Good Day, Sir!" |
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| 16:36.50 | Sargun_Screen | hey |
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| 16:39.15 | levi | What are the haps? |
| 16:39.45 | Sargun_Screen | nothing interesting here |
| 16:44.04 | jalbretsen | these aren't the droids you're looking for |
| 16:49.05 | Sargun_Screen | yes they are! |
| 16:49.17 | Sargun_Screen | The force is useless against me. |
| 16:49.45 | Sargun_Screen | (don't have a soul) |
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| 17:06.53 | bonez45 | Help... I get most of my email using mutt.. but sometimes I'll get an html piece that I want to view with gmail.. I forward to my gmail account, and then read/view it there. |
| 17:07.46 | bonez45 | I have one item.. with a few attachments.. all of it is less than 1 mb in size.. and yet if I forward it from mutt to gmail it never arrives, but I forward OTHER email in the same mutt inbox.. and other items forward immediately |
| 17:08.08 | bonez45 | is it possible for the sender to have sent me an email that DISALLOWS forwarding of said email message? |
| 17:08.50 | Sargun_Screen | mutt? |
| 17:09.13 | Sargun_Screen | what extensions does it hav? |
| 17:09.15 | Sargun_Screen | have |
| 17:09.21 | Sargun_Screen | exe or zip? |
| 17:09.37 | bonez45 | hmmm there's a .pdf which I WANT.. and a .gif.. |
| 17:09.51 | Sargun_Screen | how large it the email? |
| 17:12.22 | Sargun_Screen | don't use mutt iw what I say |
| 17:12.23 | Sargun_Screen | is |
| 17:12.50 | Sargun_Screen | you're not old like Jayce^ -- you can use thunderbird |
| 17:13.29 | levi | Heh, what makes you think you know the relative ages of bonez45 and Jayce^? |
| 17:13.44 | Sargun_Screen | oh, i was mainly joking. |
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| 17:16.37 | elg | bonez45: no, they can't disallow you |
| 17:16.47 | elg | but gmail might be filtering the mail as spam or a virus or something |
| 17:17.08 | elg | bonez45: but in mutt, do v (view attachments) then save them with s |
| 17:17.13 | elg | then open them like any pdf or gif file |
| 17:19.38 | levi | elg: My crenshaw melons are finally ripening! |
| 17:20.04 | levi | It's cool seeing the green blobs turn into shockingly yellow blobs. |
| 17:26.53 | Jayce^ | Sargun_Screen, you *really* don't know us I think |
| 17:29.16 | Sargun_Screen | I know bonez45 is probably in his late 20s |
| 17:29.29 | Sargun_Screen | or early 30s |
| 17:30.43 | elg | you do, eh? |
| 17:30.50 | elg | and how old am I? |
| 17:31.08 | Sargun_Screen | I don't know |
| 17:31.12 | Sargun_Screen | I guess |
| 17:31.23 | Sargun_Screen | he acts about that age |
| 17:31.58 | Jayce^ | wow, and how old am I? |
| 17:32.18 | elg | at least 65 |
| 17:32.30 | levi | You're a fossil, Jayce^. |
| 17:32.34 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:33.31 | Jayce^ | awaits Sargun_Screen googling to get a better guess |
| 17:36.07 | goozbach | Jayce^: you're ancient! |
| 17:36.08 | levi | Heh, my boss is strumming his guitar and singing Comfortably Numb. |
| 17:36.19 | goozbach | levi: is he high? |
| 17:36.27 | levi | No. |
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| 17:38.37 | Sargun_Screen | you're +o, so its easy to demonize you. |
| 17:38.48 | Sargun_Screen | ieven if you were 2 I could treat you like you were 80 |
| 17:39.44 | Jayce^ | c'mon, guess the age.. |
| 17:40.28 | Sargun_Screen | 26 |
| 17:40.28 | elg | -lastfm recenttracks Jayce^ |
| 17:40.28 | brac | could not find recenttracks for Jayce^ (is Jayce^ a user?) |
| 17:40.50 | goozbach | -lastfm recenttracks jaycehall |
| 17:40.51 | Sargun_Screen | how bad was that |
| 17:40.53 | brac | recenttracks for jaycehall: |
| 17:40.55 | brac | The Toy Dolls â Toy Dolls - Fisticuffs In Frederick Street, Pet Shop Boys â Full Steam Ahead, Red Flag â Red Flag - Russian Radio, They Might Be Giants â Ana Ng |
| 17:41.16 | goozbach | -lastm recenttracks goozbach |
| 17:41.21 | goozbach | -lastfm recenttracks goozbach |
| 17:41.22 | brac | recenttracks for goozbach: |
| 17:41.23 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.24 | Sargun_Screen | tmbg |
| 17:41.47 | goozbach | I really listened to all of that?> |
| 17:41.50 | goozbach | hmm |
| 17:56.53 | levi | Apparently the bailout bill just failed to pass a House vote. |
| 17:57.39 | goozbach | yay!!! |
| 17:58.35 | Jayce^ | yipee |
| 18:05.28 | Sargun_Screen | what do you guys propose as an lternative to the bailout? |
| 18:05.41 | Sargun_Screen | a total credit freeze? |
| 18:06.16 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: small amount of mortage insurance, followed by a relaxation of the mortgage laws |
| 18:07.17 | JoshH | what mortgage laws? |
| 18:07.41 | goozbach | zarbanes-oxley (sp?) |
| 18:07.51 | Sargun_Screen | sox you mean? |
| 18:08.02 | Sargun_Screen | sox doesn't apply to mortgages... |
| 18:08.09 | elg | i propose random demolition of houses until the housing market recovers |
| 18:08.17 | Sargun_Screen | it actually has nothing to do with mortgages |
| 18:08.20 | Sargun_Screen | elg: haha |
| 18:08.52 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: so, what aboyt all the bad debt? |
| 18:09.05 | Sargun_Screen | how do the banks get rid of that |
| 18:10.03 | goozbach | my bad, not SOX but mark to market laws |
| 18:10.43 | Sargun_Screen | with all this bad debt most banks can't afford to lend |
| 18:12.02 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: please address that point |
| 18:12.23 | Sargun_Screen | what about all the people who bought bad loans |
| 18:15.06 | levi | Hmm, I guess voting hasn't closed yet, but 10 votes would have to change in order for it to pass. |
| 18:17.02 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: read this: http://www.daveramsey.com/etc/fed_bailout/economic_cleanup_10887.htmlc |
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| 18:21.05 | Sargun_Screen | this guy is talking about a multiyear plan |
| 18:22.07 | goozbach | yeah, so? |
| 18:22.16 | goozbach | this is a multi-year problem |
| 18:22.25 | Sargun_Screen | what do we do to thaw credit in the next 6 months? |
| 18:22.37 | goozbach | you can't solve it by fliping a switch |
| 18:22.53 | Sargun_Screen | no |
| 18:23.07 | Sargun_Screen | but you can lubricate the markets |
| 18:23.16 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: you don't, but you don't make things difficult by creating more problems with your "solution" |
| 18:23.31 | levi | Break out the petroleum jelly! |
| 18:23.48 | Sargun_Screen | levi: xD |
| 18:24.20 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: what about all the employers he pay their employees on credit? |
| 18:24.33 | Sargun_Screen | s/but/and/ (few ya) |
| 18:24.37 | eggyknap | would get a new job if my employer tried to do that. |
| 18:24.40 | Sargun_Screen | K & Y jelly |
| 18:24.43 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: I didn't say it was going to be difficlut |
| 18:24.52 | Sargun_Screen | eggyknap: a lot of employers do that.... |
| 18:24.53 | elg | levi: petroleum jelly is so un-PC right now |
| 18:25.11 | Sargun_Screen | have you ever peeked into accounting? |
| 18:25.34 | goozbach | I didn't say it was going to be easy, but there are more problems which would be caused by going $700b into debt |
| 18:25.44 | eggyknap | Sargun_Screen: sry, wasn't thinking -- I take that back :) |
| 18:26.11 | Sargun_Screen | what about all post paid services? |
| 18:26.22 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: 700 billion isn't that bad |
| 18:26.50 | Sargun_Screen | you guys found the multi-trillion dollar war in iraq a small pill to swallow |
| 18:26.58 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: I didn't say that |
| 18:27.05 | Sargun_Screen | and this might as well be a supposotorie |
| 18:27.11 | Sargun_Screen | (sp) |
| 18:28.45 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: have you even looked at this bill?, one revision had a requirement that made any decisions exempt from any type of oversight |
| 18:28.50 | goozbach | I don't like that at all |
| 18:28.52 | Sargun_Screen | this is like 6 months in iraq -- less |
| 18:29.01 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: the most recent one does not |
| 18:29.04 | levi | goozbach: That's not in the current bill. |
| 18:29.11 | goozbach | I haven't looked at it today. |
| 18:29.45 | goozbach | but I don't like that much money and such a big decision being made in just under a week |
| 18:30.02 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I'm with you, brother. |
| 18:30.56 | Sargun_Screen | hpw long did iraq take to happen? |
| 18:30.59 | levi | BTW, the bulk of the money would be used to buy the 'toxic waste' assets from the banks, the actual value of which would eventually (the theory goes, anyway) go back up to somewhere in the neighborhood of what was paid for them. |
| 18:31.10 | Sargun_Screen | how long did we talk with suddam? |
| 18:32.17 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: Oh, that was only... 14 years. |
| 18:32.23 | Sargun_Screen | 2 months? |
| 18:32.24 | goozbach | levi: relaxing the mark to market regulations would do the same without putting the taxpayers on the line |
| 18:32.41 | levi | goozbach: Maybe. |
| 18:32.59 | goozbach | I'm willing to pay for insurance (the mortagages which will fail) but not all of them |
| 18:33.11 | levi | Now that they've been marked down so low, do you think the market would trust them if they marked them back up? |
| 18:33.18 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: what about genneral creditors? |
| 18:33.36 | Sargun_Screen | business credit will hit the fan in 90 days |
| 18:33.57 | tensai | http://blogmaverick.com/2008/09/24/the-bailout-alternative-virtual-mark-to-market/ |
| 18:34.16 | Sargun_Screen | bah |
| 18:34.43 | goozbach | the biggest problem is the fact that 'housing is a right' has been accepted as a maxim. |
| 18:34.49 | Sargun_Screen | you're giving a multimonth answer to a multiweek problem |
| 18:35.24 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yeah, apparently, it's wrong to discriminate against people who don't have a lot of money. |
| 18:35.24 | levi | Man, how many times do I have to point out that blaming the 'housing is a right' thing is naive? |
| 18:36.04 | levi | The biggest problem is that our economy is in a nasty boom/bust cycle. Real estate was the last big boom. If it hadn't been there, it would have been somewhere else. |
| 18:36.09 | fozzmoo | levi: Sure, it's a simplistic answer, but at the root of the problem is that financial institutions were giving money to people who coudln't pay it back. |
| 18:36.16 | Sargun_Screen | just like the war in iraq was a multimonth answer to a multiyear problem |
| 18:36.37 | fozzmoo | Sargun: I think you need to read more. |
| 18:36.54 | fozzmoo | You were, what, 12 when we first went into Iraq? |
| 18:36.56 | levi | fozzmoo: And the fundamental source of that was market pressure, not government rights regulations. |
| 18:37.01 | fozzmoo | You weren't even born for Desert Storm. |
| 18:37.19 | JoshH | the banks that sold so many subprime loans deserve more blame than subprime borrowers imo. |
| 18:37.27 | fozzmoo | levi: I disagree with that. |
| 18:37.45 | fozzmoo | JoshH: I agree! |
| 18:37.52 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: wow, pulling the age card is mature |
| 18:38.17 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: Talking about stuff you don't know anything about is? |
| 18:38.28 | levi | More subprime loans, and lower-quality ones, were done by investment banks that had no CRA oversight whatsoever. |
| 18:38.59 | JoshH | you can't blame someone for wanting to buy a house instead of rent, when it was possible for them to do so and the banks would say yes |
| 18:39.03 | levi | And the subprime loans actually had a pretty good track record before the boom really took off. |
| 18:40.16 | levi | fozzmoo: And I'd never expect you to agree with any position Glenn Beck and friends disagree with. :) |
| 18:40.41 | fozzmoo | levi: whatever. |
| 18:40.46 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: you're saying I know nothing about iraq? |
| 18:40.54 | Sargun_Screen | or about mortgages |
| 18:41.00 | Sargun_Screen | or what |
| 18:41.04 | fozzmoo | Do you? About either? |
| 18:41.08 | levi | Whatever indeed. Experts disagree on this stuff, so there's plenty of blog post ammo on either side. |
| 18:41.13 | tensai | can we leave iraq out of it today? it's expensive, yeah. but it's hardly relevant. |
| 18:41.25 | fozzmoo | tensai: Agreed. |
| 18:41.35 | fozzmoo | And we're not going to just up and leave anytime soon. |
| 18:42.15 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: I'm just saying.. |
| 18:44.03 | JoshH | i think the expense of iraq did indirectly expedite this meltdown, but i don't want to get into an argument about it on a busy monday |
| 18:48.24 | Sargun_Screen | yes. |
| 18:48.28 | Sargun_Screen | still |
| 18:49.14 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo's judgement isn't the best... his past political ;essages that he supported havent done best for the nation |
| 18:53.03 | mrpull | why is it that there is a real gas shortage in the south and gas prices in utah are down 60 cents from summer time? |
| 18:53.34 | goozbach | mrpull: I don't know, but the gas shortage here is REALLY scary |
| 18:53.50 | JoshH | where goozbach? |
| 18:53.53 | levi | The shortage in the south is largely due to refinery shutdowns in the wake of Ike, AFAIK. |
| 18:53.53 | goozbach | and I think that this had to do with over regulation as well |
| 18:54.04 | goozbach | JoshH: I'm in ATL |
| 18:54.06 | jalbretsen | I think that since the banks made a ton of loans they could not handle and then they go belly up, everyone should get their house for free ;) |
| 18:54.08 | levi | And we have our own refineries. |
| 18:54.20 | goozbach | levi: that was the beginning |
| 18:54.22 | mrpull | levi: That I understand... but those shutdowns have resulted in higher prices in the west in the past |
| 18:54.51 | mrpull | I'm not complaining gas is lower... just pointing out that it isn't consistent with the past |
| 18:54.59 | goozbach | but the government's response made a short-term problem (approx 1 week) into a much bigger problem(going on 10 days now) |
| 18:55.24 | goozbach | the anti-gouging laws kept the free market from regulating gas usage |
| 18:55.50 | goozbach | and made it less profitable for the companies which transport gas to get it here from outside. |
| 18:56.15 | goozbach | which lead to the public panic causing shortages all over the metro atlanta area |
| 18:56.32 | levi | Maybe that's mrpull's answer, then. Our supply isn't going to them, so our prices haven't gone up. |
| 18:56.51 | JoshH | how much is a gallon of regular there now? |
| 18:56.51 | goozbach | levi: I think that's the reason |
| 18:57.28 | goozbach | JoshH: *WHEN* you can find it (and you had better be really good at watching the tanker truck pull up to your local station) it's approx $4.60 |
| 18:57.28 | mrpull | right... and in the past our supply hasn't necessarily come from the gulf, etc and our prices HAVE gone up. I'm happy to keep it the way it is right now and forget about the stupidity of the past. |
| 18:57.47 | JoshH | wow, and i thought summer in utah was bad |
| 18:57.58 | goozbach | my wife filled my car last night |
| 18:58.16 | goozbach | she spent 25 minutes in line waiting for her turn at the pump |
| 18:58.46 | goozbach | it is really scary |
| 18:59.04 | goozbach | shortages like this, if they don't stop, lead to panicked people doing stupid stuff |
| 18:59.54 | goozbach | there was more than one event where police were called to direct traffic and keep people from "cutting in" on the gas line |
| 19:00.06 | goozbach | a couple of small brawls for gasoline, etc |
| 19:00.11 | goozbach | *VERY* scary |
| 19:01.57 | levi | Well, there are two alternatives in a situation like this. |
| 19:01.57 | JoshH | sounds like a peak oil simulation tv show i saw a while ago |
| 19:02.50 | goozbach | levi: like what? |
| 19:03.01 | goozbach | I went as long as I could without getting gas |
| 19:03.15 | goozbach | my office made this week a mandatory telework week |
| 19:03.17 | levi | One, you cap the price and the people who get there first get the gas, or you ration it out. Two, you don't cap the price and it skyrockets, and now gas is accessible, but only to people who've got extra cash or credit to buy it with. |
| 19:03.44 | goozbach | levi: the second option makes the problem dissapear sooner |
| 19:04.46 | JoshH | unless people just start buying gas instead of other things they need, in which case gas stays expensive, and quality of life still goes down |
| 19:04.47 | levi | Well, if gas gets shipped in from elsewhere. |
| 19:04.52 | goozbach | because the demand doesn't skyrocket and remove the buffer, people only buy gas when they need it, not "topping off" every two days" |
| 19:05.14 | goozbach | levi: the shortage problem is a capacity problem |
| 19:05.32 | JoshH | or they cut out other luxuries, and consumer spending goes down, and retail and other areas of the market take a hit |
| 19:05.43 | goozbach | there isn't enough infrastructure for the peak demand we had because of the panic run on the stations. |
| 19:06.27 | JoshH | like the classic example of people who have to choose between drugs and dinner |
| 19:06.51 | goozbach | if the price had skyrocketed, the panic would have been short lived, the stockpiles around the city woudn't have been depleted, and the price would have returned to normal much quicker as the influx of gas from the pipeline would have been restored. |
| 19:07.17 | goozbach | now, because there are *SO MANY* gas stations completely dry, the infrastructure is still straining to get them restocked. |
| 19:07.55 | goozbach | had the price-gouging laws not gone into effect, the price would have curbed the "panic buying" and the system wound't have fallen down. |
| 19:08.14 | levi | Possibly, anyway. |
| 19:08.35 | JoshH | a true anarcho-capitalist would just say that people shouldn't live in areas prone to hurricanes, and everyone should move out of the gulf coast area |
| 19:08.37 | levi | Your analysis is hypothetical, but plausible. |
| 19:09.35 | levi | But as you say, it was a panic scenario, and panicing people are not necessarily rational. |
| 19:09.41 | Sargun_Screen | we had 4.50 gasoline here for a while |
| 19:09.43 | unum | people also shouldn't live in places prone to earth quakes |
| 19:09.55 | levi | Or tornados! |
| 19:09.58 | levi | Or floods! |
| 19:10.05 | Sargun_Screen | heh |
| 19:10.13 | JoshH | or snow |
| 19:10.36 | levi | So basically, we can't live anywhere that has useful natural resources around. |
| 19:10.41 | Jayce^ | was going to pick up another 5gal gas can this weekend, all the stores were out.. |
| 19:10.55 | Sargun_Screen | earthquakes arent that bad |
| 19:11.47 | JoshH | i really wonder what slc is going to look like after the big one hits |
| 19:11.47 | Sargun_Screen | bad? |
| 19:11.47 | levi | Like it does now, but flatter. :P |
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| 19:11.47 | Sargun_Screen | (maybe...) |
| 19:11.47 | mrpull | something tells me that SLC will be more prepared than some of our neighbors to the south |
| 19:12.09 | JoshH | to me it seems like almost nobody is prepared |
| 19:12.40 | Jayce^ | heh, how sad, before the bailout vote, pelosi took the time to praise clinton's "Budget surplus", and blame the "need" of a bailout on the failed "bush policies".. and she thinks that'll help get her votes? |
| 19:14.20 | levi | Democrat fiscal plan: tax and spend. Republican fiscal plan: spend and spend. :P |
| 19:14.37 | levi | Or more accurately, borrow and spend. |
| 19:14.50 | nick125 | and spend and spend and spend and spend. |
| 19:17.19 | levi | Democrats certainly don't want to spend *less* than Republicans, they just want to spend on different things. |
| 19:18.23 | harleypig | We just need to get rid of the credit system entirely. |
| 19:18.26 | harleypig | No loans. |
| 19:18.33 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:18.46 | harleypig | No credit cards. |
| 19:18.48 | Jayce^ | they want to run the healthcare system the same way they've done the financial systems :) |
| 19:19.10 | harleypig | into the ground ... but it's already 6 feet under. |
| 19:21.01 | JoshH | just like the people who can't afford to get life saving operations |
| 19:22.32 | harleypig | http://www.bop-o-rama.com/ |
| 19:22.33 | brac | [Rocket USA presents: Bop-O-Ramaâ¢! The Real-Time On-Line Pollâ¢] |
| 19:24.27 | harleypig | JoshH: exactly. |
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| 19:38.37 | unum | I shouldn't talk to my brother about his stupid users stories. It's scary when you hear those stories and think, these people are running are national defense |
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| 19:46.33 | harleypig | let's hear'em! |
| 19:46.56 | harleypig | "This big red button labeled 'Missile Launch' is blinking ... do I push it?" |
| 19:48.22 | unum | things like I rebooted my computer several times, like this <pushes monitor power button> |
| 19:48.33 | unum | I can't remember any of the others now |
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| 19:54.56 | tensai | unum: that's how my son turned off the computer... when he was 2 |
| 19:56.16 | harleypig | My 5 yr old told my 14 year old rather condescendingly that he knew how to turn off the computer and didn't need to be shown how to log out. |
| 19:56.31 | Sargun | harleypig, hah |
| 19:56.33 | harleypig | Then proceeded to log in to his 14 year old brothers account. |
| 19:56.39 | goozbach | nice! |
| 19:56.45 | JoshH | father of the year |
| 19:56.51 | harleypig | :D Totally freaked out the 14 year old. |
| 19:57.12 | Jayce^ | Fortune cookie from lunch: "Patience is your alley at the moment. Don't worry!" |
| 19:57.20 | harleypig | except in bed. |
| 19:57.36 | harleypig | is that a direct quote? no mispellings? |
| 19:57.47 | harleypig | misspelings. |
| 19:57.55 | harleypig | *sigh* |
| 19:58.38 | Jayce^ | that's how they had it :) |
| 19:59.02 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/bankofamerica.png |
| 19:59.04 | harleypig | Patience is your alley ... interesting. |
| 19:59.15 | Sargun | spot the problem. |
| 19:59.48 | harleypig | Did Bank of America get acquired by a french company? |
| 20:00.48 | Sargun | Lol. |
| 20:01.43 | Jayce^ | it's French.. |
| 20:01.49 | Jayce^ | how nice :) |
| 20:02.04 | elg | the world needs more sweeTarts |
| 20:02.13 | fungus | Bank of America = Banc le France |
| 20:03.38 | harleypig | well, they *did* give us a pretty nice statue. |
| 20:03.50 | fozzmoo | Yay. |
| 20:03.50 | fozzmoo | 's exam is paid for. |
| 20:04.01 | fozzmoo | And fries. |
| 20:04.21 | tensai | don't forget the toast |
| 20:04.54 | fozzmoo | Oh. Yes. We absolutely can not forget the toast. |
| 20:04.55 | tensai | and most western cuisine (although arguably they stole it from the Italians) |
| 20:04.56 | fozzmoo | Or the dip. |
| 20:05.26 | elg | you know, some lays and onion dip would really hit the spot right now |
| 20:06.58 | tensai | I tried making chile con queso last night |
| 20:07.02 | tensai | worst. dip. ever. |
| 20:07.27 | tensai | my version, that is. not in general. |
| 20:19.30 | unum | On saturday I talked to a teacher who told me how other 25-30 year old teachers needed to have the terms blog, and wiki explained |
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| 20:21.21 | Tene | oracle-- |
| 20:22.15 | fozzmoo | Tene++ |
| 20:22.42 | harleypig | unum: that's awful ... my mom's 70, been retired from teaching for 3 years now and she knew what all of those were ... |
| 20:23.01 | harleypig | hell, she kept up on what her students were doing by reading their web presence stuff. |
| 20:23.24 | harleypig | :] shocked quite a few of them by referencing things they had said about her in class. :> |
| 20:26.46 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 20:28.32 | Tene | fozzmoo: This oracle facility is making me teach a 250 on windows with vmware. The claim it's now the standard for oracle linux classes. I'm not sure if they're right or not yet. |
| 20:28.59 | fozzmoo | Tene: That is... ridiculous. |
| 20:29.53 | fozzmoo | I think your students are going to come away with some new opinions on Windows. |
| 20:34.45 | mrpull | <sigh> a customer feels held hostage because we proposed that they keep their end of their contract |
| 20:35.04 | Sargun | harleypig, but she was your mother... |
| 20:36.17 | fozzmoo | mrpull: "It says right here! Customer will be Company's hostage until date specified above." |
| 20:36.50 | mrpull | But other companies are willing to negotiate right now! |
| 20:36.57 | harleypig | Sargun: yeah, but ... still! |
| 20:40.29 | fozzmoo | mrpull: Tell your customer that even the "cool" companies like XMission enforce contracts. |
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| 20:47.54 | harleypig | wow ... "let's fill ourselves with magic monkey juice and take a trip to the space lab" |
| 20:47.58 | harleypig | I like this song already. |
| 20:48.50 | Jayce^ | guides the friendly people holding the white jacket over to harleypig's cube |
| 20:49.14 | harleypig | friendly my hairy fish belly white tucus |
| 20:57.40 | levi | Heh, RMS blasts cloud computing. |
| 20:58.07 | Sargun | levi, Link? |
| 20:58.14 | levi | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman |
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| 21:14.54 | fozzmoo | hates Java. |
| 21:15.22 | Sargun | We can finally agree on something. |
| 21:15.34 | ^Migs^ | Glad my name isn't Java |
| 21:15.41 | harleypig | -ibot 8ball ? |
| 21:15.41 | brac | no idea |
| 21:15.47 | harleypig | feh |
| 21:15.51 | harleypig | ~8ball ? |
| 21:15.51 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Very doubtful |
| 21:15.56 | harleypig | cool |
| 21:16.00 | harleypig | -8ball |
| 21:16.00 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help 8ball' |
| 21:16.03 | ^Migs^ | ~8ball |
| 21:16.04 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: It is certain |
| 21:16.23 | ^Migs^ | ~8ball Why does fozzmoo hate Java? |
| 21:16.24 | ibot | Absolutely. |
| 21:16.36 | ^Migs^ | Brilliant! |
| 21:16.43 | goozbach | -convert 192000kpbs to Mbps |
| 21:16.48 | goozbach | ~convert 192000kpbs to Mbps |
| 21:17.14 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 21:17.18 | zzzirk | oops |
| 21:17.57 | goozbach | ~convert 192000kbps to Mbps |
| 21:18.09 | ^Migs^ | ~convert 192000kbps to Gbps |
| 21:18.14 | ^Migs^ | ~convert 192000kbps to Tbps |
| 21:18.19 | ^Migs^ | ~convert 192000kbps to miles |
| 21:19.10 | ^Migs^ | ~convert 71-#utah-#members to awesome-geeks |
| 21:19.25 | ^Migs^ | s/#members/members/ |
| 21:30.09 | tensai | d'oh! |
| 21:30.26 | tensai | restarted the firewall on my remote vpn |
| 21:33.17 | Sargun | Ok. |
| 21:39.43 | tensai | apparently running config != saved config |
| 21:39.51 | Sargun | :-? |
| 21:39.54 | Sargun | Why. |
| 21:39.57 | Sargun | write mem |
| 21:41.06 | tensai | it's a linux box actually and the explanation is long |
| 21:41.55 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 21:43.11 | tensai | ah, fixed |
| 21:43.20 | tensai | missed some entries in FORWARD |
| 21:45.12 | Sargun | ah |
| 21:46.34 | elg | speaking of... anyone know how to save static routes on a cisco 678? |
| 21:46.55 | elg | last time mine rebooted it took me half an hour to figure out what the problem was (static route missing) |
| 21:47.08 | mrpull | hrrmmm... those are cbos right? it's been way to long. |
| 21:47.14 | mrpull | not write mem? |
| 21:47.24 | tensai | they run CBOS which is not the same as IOS |
| 21:47.37 | elg | cbos yes |
| 21:47.38 | tensai | s'been a long time since I touched one though |
| 21:48.17 | mrpull | it's been years. it might just be "write" |
| 21:48.30 | elg | looks it |
| 21:48.37 | mrpull | at an enable prompt of course |
| 21:48.42 | elg | so that should save my static route and restore it when it boots? |
| 21:49.05 | mrpull | I'd expect it to save your all of your running config |
| 21:51.45 | Sargun | Why are you running CiscShit? |
| 21:51.55 | tensai | ~language Sargun |
| 21:51.56 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 21:52.02 | elg | because it beats Action* |
| 21:52.04 | Sargun | Sowwy. |
| 21:52.08 | Sargun | elg, Soekris? |
| 21:52.13 | Sargun | Soekris + BSD/Linux. |
| 21:52.23 | harleypig | Maybe it's just me but this description sounds suspicious: |
| 21:52.36 | harleypig | *** Be a Cute Caddy! *** |
| 21:52.38 | harleypig | We are currently seeking part time female golf caddies! If you have a great personlity and excel in providing VIP service to VIP clients, then you should consider being part of our team of Cute Caddies. Great work environment and compensation! |
| 21:53.34 | Sargun | harleypig, You sound like a perfect candidate for that job! |
| 21:53.39 | Sargun | candiDate. |
| 21:55.47 | harleypig | Candied Date |
| 21:56.20 | Sargun | harleypig, Would you like to be a Candied Date? |
| 21:58.04 | harleypig | Sargun: I'm already a sweet spirit ... might as well dip me in sugar ... :> |
| 21:58.52 | Sargun | http://cryptome.org/nsa-thwart.htm |
| 21:58.53 | Sargun | HAHA |
| 21:58.54 | brac | [Thwarting NSA Traffic Analysis] |
| 21:59.17 | mrpull | I remember seeing a web page for high end caddies |
| 21:59.26 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.26 | Sargun | ssh -N -L 6000:localhost:4000 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1 |
| 21:59.26 | Sargun | .2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 |
| 21:59.29 | Sargun | -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User 1.2.3.4 -l User |
| 21:59.30 | mrpull | I'm not sure what their course knowledge level was like |
| 21:59.38 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 21:59.44 | mrpull | hahah |
| 21:59.54 | elg | poises |
| 22:01.08 | tensai | harleypig: it could be on the level, along the lines of geishas. just somebody friendly and pretty to hang around with old rich guys. |
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| 22:01.42 | harleypig | tensai: and whatever happens beyond that, that company is not responsible for ... |
| 22:01.47 | harleypig | but they'll still take their cut. :> |
| 22:03.40 | Sargun | tensai, Geishas charge a lot. |
| 22:03.58 | tensai | caddies can't? |
| 22:04.20 | mrpull | http://www.caddychicks.com/caddy/Alisha3790 |
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| 22:04.31 | mrpull | SFW |
| 22:05.07 | unum | she's really short |
| 22:05.22 | mrpull | I think she'd have to pay me to let her follow me around the course |
| 22:05.29 | tensai | unum: to keep from getting hit by the backswing |
| 22:05.40 | harleypig | $15/hr ... that's not bad. |
| 22:05.45 | unum | I dated a woman who was one inch taller, and had the ticket lady at the movie theater if I wanted one adult and one child |
| 22:06.01 | mrpull | "I've golfed a few times" |
| 22:06.08 | mrpull | what credentials! |
| 22:06.34 | unum | people always thought she was my little sister.... |
| 22:06.47 | mrpull | the other gal in utah seems to be better "qualified" |
| 22:06.47 | Jayce^ | mrpull, agreed |
| 22:06.57 | harleypig | I don't think they're interested in her golfing skills. |
| 22:07.04 | harleypig | but, then, I'm a pervert. |
| 22:07.19 | unum | now reviews |
| 22:07.41 | mrpull | if you hire somebody from "Caddy Chicks" you aren't exactly getting a USGA Pro |
| 22:08.28 | mrpull | http://www.caddychicks.com/ccv3/default.aspx?t=5 |
| 22:08.46 | mrpull | Rule #1 - No High Heels... but don't look at the picture above! |
| 22:08.49 | harleypig | they have caddy tv ... |
| 22:08.50 | Sargun | unum, That must have been embarassing. |
| 22:10.20 | harleypig | #5 After the round ... "Ask if there was anything you could do to improve your caddy services" |
| 22:11.28 | Sargun | Rule #8 - No frilly skirts in air. |
| 22:11.35 | Sargun | s/air/wind/ |
| 22:19.30 | harleypig | No bending over without bending your knees |
| 22:23.13 | Sargun | One of the engineers here put his laptop in the refrigerator. |
| 22:31.51 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Does that make you think it's cool? |
| 22:32.09 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Stfu. |
| 22:34.07 | fozzmoo | Sargun: GTHA |
| 22:34.08 | mrpull | fozzmoo++ |
| 22:35.33 | goozbach | ~wtf gtha |
| 22:35.40 | goozbach | ~dict gtha |
| 22:35.48 | Tene | One of my co-workers has a laptop that can't compile a kernel without overheating. |
| 22:36.00 | Tene | He would always put it in the refrigirator when he needed to. |
| 22:36.15 | goozbach | hmm |
| 22:36.34 | goozbach | stfu I know... get that hand away? |
| 22:36.45 | goozbach | go toward hannover athens |
| 22:37.01 | goozbach | give three handles activity |
| 22:38.54 | unum | not in urban dictionary |
| 22:39.35 | unum | GTHF is in there.... |
| 22:39.45 | unum | I think I can figure out GTHA |
| 22:40.06 | goozbach | interesting, our flagship site just posted a twiter link for "find gas now" |
| 22:40.13 | goozbach | very cool |
| 22:40.51 | unum | let's see if we've done any interesting survey lately |
| 22:43.42 | goozbach | also, 911 call centers around the city are swamped because of the people calling about the lack of gas. |
| 22:47.04 | fozzmoo | goozbach: People are calling 911 because they're out of gas? |
| 22:47.47 | Tene | wtf? |
| 22:47.50 | unum | I can't believe the stupid things people call 911 about |
| 22:47.59 | Tene | I don't believe you. |
| 22:48.45 | goozbach | fozzmoo: calling because the stations they've passed are out of gas and they are asking where they can find it. |
| 22:49.01 | Tene | Wait, goo is in FL. |
| 22:49.05 | Tene | I believe him again now. |
| 22:49.10 | unum | http://www.ajc.com/gwinnett/content/metro/stories/2008/09/29/gas_911_call.html |
| 22:49.18 | goozbach | Tene: I'm in Atlanta, GA |
| 22:49.25 | Tene | I still believe you. |
| 22:49.39 | goozbach | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=192000+kbps+to+Mbps&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 22:49.42 | goozbach | oops |
| 22:49.45 | goozbach | wron link |
| 22:49.51 | fozzmoo | sends Mr. Fusion to goozbach |
| 22:49.51 | goozbach | http://wsbradio.com/news/092908911gascalls6a.html |
| 22:49.53 | goozbach | try that |
| 22:50.05 | goozbach | I wish I had a MR fusion |
| 22:50.22 | goozbach | and I wish I had checked my email this morning before I came to work |
| 22:50.30 | fozzmoo | Wyzat? |
| 22:50.39 | goozbach | this week was made a mandatory telecommute week |
| 22:50.48 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. |
| 22:50.52 | goozbach | I didn't see the email till I got into the office. :{ |
| 22:50.59 | fozzmoo | Well, there's tomorrow. :) |
| 22:51.27 | goozbach | yeah, but tomorrow is my telecommute day anyway |
| 22:53.43 | goozbach | decides he should go home |
| 22:53.55 | fozzmoo | Wahoo! |
| 22:54.13 | fozzmoo | 's copy of "Glenn Beck - Unelectable" just arrived on DVD. |
| 23:01.19 | RyanE | fozzmoo: What's a DVD? |
| 23:01.33 | fozzmoo | ~lart RyanE |
| 23:01.33 | ibot | resizes RyanE's terminal to 40x24 |
| 23:03.41 | unum | so I have a table in postgres where each row has two times a start time and and end time. I want to find the max number of rows where there is an overlap between the start time and end time |
| 23:04.00 | unum | any one know some good sql to do that with |
| 23:04.16 | harleypig | 2*starttime? |
| 23:04.24 | harleypig | or starttime starttime |
| 23:04.29 | fozzmoo | I think ther ewere some colons and commas missing |
| 23:04.30 | Sargun | uhm. |
| 23:05.02 | fozzmoo | SELECT COUNT(*) FROM table WHERE start_time > end_time |
| 23:05.34 | fozzmoo | Or do you mean, where there are conflicts? |
| 23:06.06 | fozzmoo | Where start_time1 < end_time2 and end_time1 > end_time2 |
| 23:07.28 | unum | I meant when different rows over lapped with each other |
| 23:07.47 | unum | and i should probably point out they are timestamps |
| 23:07.53 | unum | so let's say it's a time clock |
| 23:08.07 | unum | I want to know the maxium number of employees I have had on the clock at one time |
| 23:09.36 | Tene | Bah. I don't know anyone in Denver. |
| 23:10.50 | tensai | Tene: my mom lives close to denver |
| 23:12.29 | Tene | Do you think your mom wants to hang out with me for hacking? |
| 23:14.07 | tensai | I think her wow clan plays tonight |
| 23:14.16 | Tene | Oh, nm then. |
| 23:14.27 | tensai | some big raid she was yakking about on facebook |
| 23:15.30 | levi | I can't even imagine my mom playing WoW. |
| 23:17.33 | Sargun | o.O |
| 23:17.38 | mrpull | tensai's mom: Leeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkinssssss |
| 23:17.49 | mrpull | and with that, I'm calling it a day. |
| 23:17.57 | tensai | ~mrpull++ |
| 23:18.21 | tensai | levi: it is pretty funny to try to picture it |
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