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| 00:35.18 | Heartsbane | nick125: thanks, still doesn't make me anymore happy |
| 00:39.01 | Heartsbane | s/anymore/any more/ |
| 00:56.21 | nick125 | Just think..the shareholders will feel good, so you should feel good too. |
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| 00:57.45 | Claud-SLC | bbeattie: how are you? |
| 00:57.55 | Claud-SLC | this is Teeples from Universal |
| 00:58.09 | Claud-SLC | bbl |
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| 01:08.02 | Heartsbane | OMG He is in another channel |
| 01:12.46 | Sargun | ? |
| 01:12.50 | Sargun | mheath? |
| 01:16.04 | bbeattie | claud-slc: yeah |
| 01:48.26 | eightyeight | so, who's watched knight rider? |
| 01:50.12 | eightyeight | Sargun: Claud-SLC |
| 01:50.23 | eightyeight | he's ventured outside of #ubuntu-us-ut |
| 01:55.13 | Sargun | Hehe. |
| 01:55.29 | Sargun | There are only three girls in my entire Assembly Programming class. |
| 01:55.36 | Sargun | One of which is in her late 40s |
| 01:55.42 | Sargun | One of which is in her late 20s |
| 01:55.50 | Sargun | and Only one of which is in her early 20s. |
| 01:56.01 | Sargun | I'm surprised. |
| 01:56.20 | eightyeight | chicks code man |
| 01:56.32 | Sargun | No they don't |
| 01:56.37 | Sargun | :-P |
| 01:56.44 | Sargun | I've never heard a chick talk shop. |
| 01:57.37 | Sargun | eightyeight, have you |
| 01:59.21 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 01:59.31 | Sargun | when? |
| 01:59.32 | Sargun | Where? |
| 01:59.35 | eightyeight | my college class had several of them |
| 01:59.40 | Sargun | which class? |
| 01:59.44 | eightyeight | i have them training classes all the time |
| 01:59.57 | eightyeight | networking, c++, unix system internals, and many others |
| 02:00.08 | Sargun | Did they have clue? |
| 02:00.13 | eightyeight | uh, yeah |
| 02:02.05 | Sargun | Wow. |
| 02:02.20 | eightyeight | by several, i mean at least 20 or 30 |
| 02:02.39 | eightyeight | why are you so suprised by this? can't girls be nerds too? |
| 02:03.48 | Sargun | I've never met a nerdy girl in school. |
| 02:03.58 | Sargun | The only nerdy women I've met were fairly old. |
| 02:04.23 | eightyeight | may i direct you to http://xkcd.com/322/ |
| 02:04.25 | Sargun | and 1/3rd of them were gay/lesbians. |
| 02:04.27 | brac | [xkcd - A Webcomic - Pix Plz] |
| 02:04.39 | Sargun | I'm just saying... |
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| 02:05.14 | Sargun | Out of the three women in product development @ work |
| 02:06.03 | Sargun | Only one has somewhat feminine attributes. |
| 02:06.23 | Sargun | attempts to be as PC as possible. |
| 02:14.41 | lakshmi | ghey |
| 02:15.11 | lakshmi | Sargun |
| 02:15.13 | lakshmi | and people |
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| 02:30.40 | Sargun | heya |
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| 03:06.53 | tensai | ~pinch elg |
| 03:06.53 | ibot | ACTION scuttles after elg, pinches him, and then scuttles away |
| 03:08.44 | elg | heh, this student didn't submit the source code for one part of this assignment |
| 03:09.02 | Sargun | elg, did they submit a binary? |
| 03:09.04 | elg | and he's trying to blame the other TA "I went to lab last week and Antonio told me just to send Paycalcutor and |
| 03:09.04 | elg | Rings.html and asked him twice if that was all i needed to send." |
| 03:09.16 | elg | Rings.java is what he didn't submit - the html file just loads the applet |
| 03:09.25 | elg | the PayCalculator.java is a separate part of the assignment |
| 03:09.27 | Sargun | Did he submit the .class file? |
| 03:09.29 | elg | no |
| 03:09.35 | tensai | maybe he's planning to launch a business with Rings.java as the core |
| 03:09.44 | tensai | are you a communist? |
| 03:10.00 | Sargun | elg, So you have no way of grading his assignment? |
| 03:10.04 | Sargun | Ah, screw it, give him an A. |
| 03:10.12 | Sargun | or another chance at least |
| 03:15.59 | elg | i think he will get to submit it late, but it'll have to go through the teech |
| 03:18.26 | Sargun | Aww |
| 03:19.45 | elg | since i've already submitted the grades for this lab to her and she has a no late policy (without prior exception) |
| 03:20.27 | Sargun | Its just a basic java class? |
| 03:20.31 | Sargun | Hm, I'm hungry |
| 03:20.43 | elg | i heard someone call an extension a "stay of execution" - probably her term. sounds like the sort of funny roundabout businesslike way of saying things she'd come up with |
| 03:20.54 | elg | yeah, first CS class |
| 03:21.01 | Sargun | That's dumb. |
| 03:21.30 | elg | what is? "stay of execution" instead of "extension"? |
| 03:21.55 | Sargun | yes. |
| 03:26.07 | levi | Sargun feels for the poor mistreated slacker. How cute. |
| 03:26.27 | Sargun | Hey, slackers have feelings to! |
| 03:26.31 | Sargun | s/to/too! |
| 03:26.32 | Sargun | s/to/too/! |
| 03:26.39 | Sargun | Stupid ibot, where are you? |
| 03:28.39 | elg | i mean, if he had said "oops, I did forget here it is" I would have gone to bat for him |
| 03:28.56 | elg | but trying to blame the TA when common sense and the lab writeup both dictate that I can't grade code you don't submit... |
| 03:29.23 | eightyeight | sounds to me like he didn't finish it. but i guess if the applet loads |
| 03:30.28 | elg | he probably did finish it or he wouldn't have bothered submitting the html file, which was worth a whopping 1 point |
| 03:32.41 | levi | Can't follow instructions = FAIL |
| 03:37.02 | levi | Or, rather, Can't follow instructions + won't take responsibility = FAIL |
| 04:12.22 | eightyeight | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html |
| 04:12.25 | brac | [Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory] |
| 04:13.19 | wps | good evening |
| 04:13.43 | wps | I'm finishing up a website for a client and trying to decide where to host it |
| 04:14.09 | wps | I like Linode since I have complete control, but this site needs SSL and I need to have it up quickly |
| 04:14.49 | wps | so, I am thinking I should probably do something like Bluehost so that I don't have to set everything up |
| 04:14.55 | wps | anyone have any recommendations? |
| 04:17.00 | Sargun | uhm |
| 04:17.04 | Sargun | Dreamhost!!! :-P |
| 04:17.47 | Sargun | wps, I've had success with the planet. |
| 04:17.54 | Sargun | They can afford to clothe their CTO |
| 04:18.52 | Sargun | wps, The Planet is decent, other than their excess marketing jargon |
| 04:20.09 | wps | thanks |
| 04:20.23 | wps | I have my own server so I don't experience with any hosts |
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| 05:28.50 | levi | Heh. Congress seems a little peeved about having the presidential candidates show up for the bailout package negotiation. |
| 05:29.12 | levi | So much blatant political maneuvering... |
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| 06:39.46 | Tene | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1668932.stm |
| 06:39.48 | brac | [BBC News | HEALTH | Curry 'may slow Alzheimer's'] |
| 06:41.17 | levi | Mmm, curry. |
| 06:47.00 | Tene | levi: be careful, though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry#Curry_addiction !!! |
| 06:47.54 | levi | Speaking of which, I'm going to go grab a square of curry chocolate. |
| 06:48.03 | Tene | ... curry chocolate? |
| 06:48.30 | levi | Yeah, it's pretty good. |
| 06:48.58 | Tene | I'm curious now. |
| 06:49.40 | Tene | Jifty is really quite amazing, once you get past the lack of documentation. |
| 06:50.26 | Tene | It's the only web framework I've seen that gracefully degrades its magic to support non-js-capable browsers. |
| 06:50.40 | Tene | So it even works with elinks. |
| 06:51.26 | levi | Coconut Curry Milk Chocolate from Theo Chocolate: http://www.theochocolate.com/products/3400-phinney-bars.php |
| 06:52.17 | Tene | bookmarks and attempts to forget. |
| 06:52.27 | levi | So, I've been hanging out on #concatenative lately to get a feel for Factor. There are a lot of really interesting conversations there. |
| 06:52.55 | levi | slava, who is the main author of Factor, is doing crazy vm/compiler stuff lately. |
| 06:53.12 | Tene | Such as? |
| 06:53.12 | levi | One of the guys working on Squirrelfish at Apple is a regular. |
| 06:53.31 | levi | And evan of the Rubinius project was just there, too. |
| 06:53.51 | Tene | Is ruby a concatenative language? |
| 06:53.57 | Tene | Also, what's a concatenative language? |
| 06:55.44 | levi | No, ruby is not a concatenative language. But vm implementors hang out there because slava has implemented a kickass vm. |
| 06:55.56 | Tene | Ah. |
| 06:56.20 | levi | A concatenative language is one where one can compose functions by concatenation. |
| 06:56.48 | levi | They're generally (if not always) stack-based, a la Forth. |
| 06:58.08 | Tene | Tell me more about this kickass vm. |
| 07:00.33 | levi | Well, it compiles ASTs to machine code (via a fast or an optimizing compiler, the latter of which is written in Factor), it has precise garbage collection, an automatic FFI that doesn't require writing any C code, and it does closures and continuations. |
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| 07:00.48 | levi | So there's no interpreter in it at all. |
| 07:01.45 | Tene | Interesting. |
| 07:02.31 | levi | Factor has this awesome compiler/vm, tons of libraries, extensive documentation... and no one uses it, because the language itself is very alien coming from a C/Java background. |
| 07:04.04 | levi | It's also got a simple but powerful UI that you can use for experimental coding, debugging, and doc browsing. |
| 07:05.38 | levi | concatenative.org has a wiki, pastebin, and planet-style blog aggregator all written in Factor. |
| 07:10.30 | levi | http://concatenative.org/pastebin/paste?id=10 <- The wiki code |
| 07:13.13 | levi | They've also got a built-in PEG parsing DSL |
| 07:16.59 | Tene | Interesting. |
| 07:17.54 | levi | And a web framework. And lots of shell scripting tools. |
| 07:18.52 | levi | It's got an OO system based on generic functions. |
| 07:19.54 | levi | It's got a macro facility based on 'parsing words', which basically let you extend the syntax however you'd like. |
| 07:20.10 | levi | You can do runtime code generation. |
| 07:23.52 | Tene | I'm looking on factorcode.org, but I can't find any document that actually talks about the syntax of how to use factor |
| 07:24.33 | levi | The documentation is all in the image. Download the binary and run it, then click on the documentation tab. |
| 07:24.45 | Tene | That's... interesting. |
| 07:25.32 | Tene | downloading. |
| 07:25.44 | levi | Well, it's most accessible that way. It's also in the source directory tree. |
| 07:26.26 | Tene | Most accessible to people considering trying to learn about factor? |
| 07:28.01 | Tene | I don't see a documentation tab. |
| 07:28.08 | Tene | Oh, it's a link. |
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| 07:41.11 | levi | Time for me to go to bed. |
| 09:11.26 | Supaplex | zzzz tyme. ni ni. |
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| 14:09.21 | elg | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/nyregion/25tased.html?em |
| 14:09.25 | brac | [Brooklyn Man Dies After Police Use a Taser Gun - NYTimes.com] |
| 14:13.57 | elg | obviously it's easy to be an armchair critic, but it doesn't take a lot of brains to figure out that if you stun someone from 10ft above the ground they might fall 10 ft and get hurt |
| 14:14.12 | elg | serious (or die as in this case) |
| 14:14.37 | elg | well that's weird. the link I posted is now asking me for registration, but it didn't when I followed it from google news |
| 14:14.48 | elg | stupid nyt |
| 14:15.45 | elg | "Department guidelines say an officer may use a Taser if an emotionally disturbed person is a danger to himself or to others." |
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| 14:16.15 | elg | surely he was a danger to himself (not others) but knocking him off a 10-ft ledge isn't exactly safer |
| 14:16.39 | elg | âHis mother called 911,â said Sharonnie Perry, a community advocate who lives down the street. âShe called for assistance and the assistance she got was her son being killed.â |
| 14:19.01 | tensai | nytimes checks the referer and allows google to bypass the login |
| 14:19.12 | tensai | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vpr&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2008%2F09%2F25%2Fnyregion%2F25tased.html&btnG=Search |
| 14:21.46 | tristanbob | elg, the taser should only be used to replace deadly force - so if this cop would have considered shooting the guy then the taser was a good choice - in this case, it was probably used for convenience |
| 14:22.24 | tristanbob | "a city-commissioned study on police shooting habits urged the department to consider using Tasers more frequently instead of deadly force" |
| 14:23.00 | tensai | you're 100% right. if you wouldn't use a gun, don't use a taser. |
| 14:23.09 | tristanbob | this is a case of a taser used improperly |
| 14:23.51 | tensai | how dangerous is a light tube? you hit somebody hard enough and they smash apart. it's not a baseball bat. |
| 14:24.17 | elg | it could cut someone. obviously you'd need to be careful. you wouldn't need to use a gun |
| 14:24.29 | elg | get a bat or club and fence with him a few minutes and the threat is neutralized |
| 14:24.50 | tristanbob | how about some pepper spray? too busy grabbing your eyes to do anythign else |
| 14:25.15 | tristanbob | elg, did you just say "fence with him" |
| 14:25.17 | tristanbob | hahah |
| 14:25.38 | tristanbob | the people in the croud are cheering for their competitor |
| 14:25.59 | elg | olympic fencing is such a drag |
| 14:26.21 | elg | they jump at each other, the lights go off, and both raise their arms in victory every time, no matter who actually won the point |
| 14:26.26 | elg | utterly boring to watch. not like the movies |
| 14:27.15 | ^Migs^ | http://blog.wolfspelz.de/2008/09/tscheljabinsk-giant-smiley-on-google.html |
| 14:29.31 | tristanbob | really? how funny - like in basketball when both players act like they got fouled |
| 14:30.02 | tristanbob | elg, send me a good video link of that if you have one |
| 14:31.09 | elg | i probably have it still hanging around in myth, I could *maybe* extract it into a video for you to download |
| 14:31.31 | elg | otoh, mythtranscode seems to screw things up so much that it's hard to do anything with the files after it's done but watch them in myth |
| 14:31.39 | tristanbob | elg, I'll search youtube |
| 14:31.47 | elg | i could make the .nuv available for you but it's probably several hours long and a pain to dl |
| 14:32.10 | elg | yeah, search youtube for fencing, that'll do |
| 14:39.01 | elg | if you can do nbcolympics.com, http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0817_sd_mul_au_ce507&channelcode=sportfe at about 1:12:00 is a good example |
| 14:39.06 | brac | [NBCOlympics.com - 2008 Beijing Summer Olympic Games | Free Online Videos, Olympic Event | Athlete Interviews | NBC Olympics] |
| 14:39.32 | elg | youtube videos are all spiced up with music and just showing decisive moments where one person obviously wins |
| 14:39.42 | elg | fencers and fencing fans must have a flair for the dramatic |
| 14:41.30 | tristanbob | strange - it looks like tag |
| 14:41.59 | tristanbob | elg, I had no idea it was this crappy |
| 14:42.00 | elg | it might just be sabre. maybe other variations have different rules |
| 14:42.10 | tristanbob | yes - this is sabre |
| 14:42.24 | elg | of course they didn't play much on the standard NBC channel |
| 14:42.41 | tristanbob | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79EsZgZFZqA |
| 14:42.56 | tristanbob | that looks like movie fencing |
| 14:44.17 | elg | maybe the overall skill in attacking has outpaced the overall skill in defending |
| 14:44.40 | tristanbob | elg, one theory yes, but it makes for boring event to watch |
| 14:45.02 | tristanbob | they just look like two kids trying to touch each other |
| 14:45.07 | tristanbob | so each point lasts like 5 seconds |
| 14:45.13 | elg | exactly :) |
| 14:46.04 | eggyknap | Better electronic scoring probably makes a huge difference, too. The 1936 guys aren't wearing wires, which suggests they scoring was all by referee |
| 14:46.14 | elg | true |
| 14:46.28 | elg | you couldn't both just jab and hope to get anything but a tie when it was just referees |
| 14:46.38 | eggyknap | ... and it doesn't look like their suits have embedded electronics. Certainly their masks don't, and the mask is a valid touch in sabre |
| 14:46.52 | elg | but with electronics giving you the difference down to hundredth of a second, it pays more to gamble |
| 14:47.53 | elg | http://ask.metafilter.com/98904/Learning-Fencing#1440397 |
| 14:54.36 | elg | http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?messages=87&page=1&threadid=98490 |
| 14:54.39 | brac | [BS: Sport v. Classical v. Historical Fencing] |
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| 15:24.25 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 15:30.49 | ^Migs^ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_re_as/as_china_space_article_1 |
| 15:30.53 | ^Migs^ | BEIJING - A news story describing a successful launch of China's long-awaited space mission and including detailed dialogue between astronauts launched on the Internet Thursday, hours before the rocket had even left the ground. |
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| 15:31.22 | ^Migs^ | that's hilarious |
| 15:34.37 | elg | cest la propaganda |
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| 15:53.41 | fozzmoo | Okay... here's a slanted opinion piece... |
| 15:53.52 | fozzmoo | http://townhall.com/Columnists/AnnCoulter/2008/09/24/they_gave_your_mortgage_to_a_less_qualified_minority |
| 15:53.55 | ^Migs^ | http://www.onemotion.com/flash/spider |
| 15:54.19 | fozzmoo | But I would love for someone to point out one fact she highlights that isn't true. |
| 15:55.24 | unum | I had no trouble getting qualified for a mortage I couldn't afford |
| 15:55.32 | unum | and I'm a white male |
| 15:56.02 | Tene | I've got fifty mortgages. |
| 15:57.19 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9113DeqZxQ |
| 15:58.20 | sjansen | Pssssh. I collected mortgages like baseball cards. |
| 15:59.51 | tensai | with all this mortgage mess, is there any danger to people who got mortages from these troubled companies, but are still able to make their payments? |
| 16:00.04 | levi | fozzmoo: I like how she quotes part of what her opponents say, and then completely repharases the rest, putting her own words in their mouths. |
| 16:00.10 | levi | Er, rephrases. |
| 16:00.37 | fozzmoo | levi: It's Ann Coulter. She's... hyperbolic. :) |
| 16:01.40 | sjansen | I don't think that words means what you think it means. |
| 16:02.12 | sjansen | I think you were looking for "the first scientific evidence that life can be sustain with a brainstem alone". |
| 16:03.20 | levi | fozzmoo: Anyway, telling untrue facts is not the only way to lie. |
| 16:04.11 | high_roller | tensai: no matter how bad it gets there will always somebody that will be willing to take your money |
| 16:04.37 | tensai | high_roller: yes but will they take your house too, that's the question |
| 16:05.08 | high_roller | tensai: I'm pretty sure they won't, a good loan is worth more than the house |
| 16:05.11 | tensai | my mortgage is held by the state of idaho, so I'm not too worried |
| 16:05.15 | Tene | tensai: they'll increase your mortgage rate until you're unable to pay it in order to justify a larger bailout from the gov. |
| 16:05.20 | levi | tensai: I'm pretty sure that fixed-rate mortages with no missed payments are like gold. If a company holding some went under, they'd be auctioned off no problem. |
| 16:05.40 | tensai | levi: if they just forgot about it, that's be fine with me too :) |
| 16:05.55 | levi | Not likely. :) |
| 16:06.02 | tensai | ah nuts |
| 16:06.03 | sjansen | tensai: You're in debt to a bunch of potato farmers?! You fool! They're more vicious than the yakuza! |
| 16:06.20 | Tene | sjansen: isn't "yakuza" a type of potato? |
| 16:06.33 | levi | It's a type of Japanese gangster. |
| 16:07.32 | tensai | Tene: maybe you're thinking of yakiimo? |
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| 16:08.02 | Tene | tensai: I wasn't thinking of anything specifically. I was intending nonsense. |
| 16:08.16 | tensai | which is a baked sweet potato, often sold by street vendors |
| 16:09.07 | sjansen | At times Tene's sense of humor is... subtle |
| 16:10.39 | fozzmoo | Here's your mashed yakuza, you freak. |
| 16:13.46 | levi | fozzmoo: Asking people to forget political loyalty while spreading a smear piece by a 'hyperbolic' political partisan strikes me as a bit hypocritical. Any why should the USPS, which supports itself, scale back its operations? |
| 16:14.14 | fozzmoo | Same reason as US Mint. |
| 16:14.56 | levi | "Let's all be symbolic and look like we're putting country first and cut everything way back! Meanwhile, we'll blame this all on the nasty Democrats!" |
| 16:14.58 | Tene | sjansen: I'm considering pronouncing "email" as "sbemail" several times in my next lecture to see if any of my students notice. |
| 16:15.16 | high_roller | throw some meows in there too |
| 16:15.24 | fozzmoo | levi: I only asked if anything Ann Coulter said was untrue. |
| 16:16.05 | levi | fozzmoo: Like I said, telling untrue things is not the only way to lie. And I don't believe the article was an honest or accurate assessment of blame. |
| 16:16.29 | fozzmoo | I'd like to know what was dishonoest or inaccurate. |
| 16:16.48 | levi | And for a lot of it, I have no basis for judging the 'trueness' of the quotes, because she'd only quote a tiny bit and then rephrase the rest. |
| 16:17.03 | levi | It's a blatant propaganda piece. |
| 16:17.35 | levi | One doesn't need to know whether the facts within are individually true to know that they are being used in a dishonest manner. |
| 16:17.53 | Sargun | Tene, That's mean. ;-P |
| 16:17.58 | levi | And if you can't see that, I feel very sorry for you. |
| 16:18.52 | Sargun | Tene, what course are you teaching? |
| 16:18.55 | harleypig | levi: Propaganda is being used, liberally, by both Democrats and Republicans. |
| 16:19.00 | Tene | Sargun: RH300 |
| 16:19.19 | levi | harleypig: Indeed, and I feel free to ignore the propaganda pieces by the Democrats as well. |
| 16:19.27 | Tene | I watched TV for the first time in ages on Monday to watch Heroes. |
| 16:19.36 | levi | harleypig: There just aren't any Democrats in here spreading them. |
| 16:19.42 | Tene | The campain commercials were... I thought they were satire at first. |
| 16:19.54 | Sargun | Tene, Ahh.. If it was RH033 I would tell you to try teaching them LOLCODE during the scripting section. |
| 16:19.55 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:19.58 | tensai | there were commercials during Heroes? |
| 16:20.10 | levi | Most of my exposure to the campaign ads has been through factcheck.org |
| 16:20.16 | Tene | "Barack Obama is an evil man who hates jobs" |
| 16:20.20 | harleypig | that's why I download my tv shows ... no commercials ... |
| 16:20.26 | harleypig | though plenty of product placement. |
| 16:20.27 | levi | Which takes a lot of the punch out of them. :) |
| 16:20.28 | Tene | "McCain is an evil man who evils something else" |
| 16:20.47 | tensai | harleypig: when the guy said he should have gone with Sprint |
| 16:20.53 | Tene | So absurdly over the top. |
| 16:21.07 | high_roller | is waiting for the add where the opposite candidate is given red eyes and devil horns |
| 16:21.08 | harleypig | tensai: I stopped watching Heroes halfway through the second season. |
| 16:21.08 | Tene | harleypig: you haven't noticed the product placement in Heroes? |
| 16:21.23 | Tene | "Nissan Versa!" |
| 16:21.36 | harleypig | ? I said 'though plenty of product placement' ... I notice a lot of it in a lot of shows. |
| 16:21.39 | tensai | harleypig: I didn't even start the second season, but I watched this episode. I'll probably keep up now that I have my mythtv built. |
| 16:21.42 | Tene | Oh, you did. |
| 16:21.49 | Tene | I just can't read. |
| 16:21.49 | tensai | my problem was never being home when heroes was on |
| 16:21.56 | Sargun | I need to get myself a CCIE. |
| 16:21.59 | harleypig | I don't mind it actually, as long as it doesn't disrupt the flow of the show. |
| 16:22.01 | high_roller | I'd much rather have product placement, than commercials, at least the volume doesn't double with product placement |
| 16:22.06 | sjansen | hulu.com baby! |
| 16:22.13 | Sargun | hulu.com is ftw. |
| 16:22.19 | Sargun | Actually Netflix had it too. |
| 16:22.21 | harleypig | Having the actors turn to the camera and say "I use this and you should too" doesn't really work. |
| 16:22.23 | Tene | I don't have the bandwidth in this hotel for hulu |
| 16:22.31 | Sargun | harleypig, uhm, 30 rock did that. |
| 16:22.35 | levi | There's no 'is' when you say something is FTW. :P |
| 16:22.38 | Sargun | Tene, Ouh. |
| 16:22.42 | harleypig | Sargun: I didn't watch 30 rock |
| 16:22.44 | tensai | hulu is nice, but not the way I want to watch TV |
| 16:22.52 | ^Migs^ | I love Hulu |
| 16:22.56 | Sargun | tensai, how so? |
| 16:23.24 | tensai | primarily it's on my computer which I can't see from the couch |
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| 16:26.34 | tensai | unless there's a way for me to download shows rather than stream them |
| 16:27.58 | ^Migs^ | if only there were SOME way |
| 16:28.29 | tensai | from hulu, I mean. obviously I can grab the torrent. |
| 16:29.10 | Sargun | Anyone here a CCNA? |
| 16:29.23 | lakshmi | hey |
| 16:30.36 | Sargun | Ok, I think I'll try getting my CCNA now. |
| 16:37.43 | fozzmoo | Alright... svn question... if I want to merge my branch to another branch, are there some good tools for doing that? |
| 16:38.06 | fozzmoo | One of my coworkers showed me how it can be done using Eclipse (subclipse), but I'd really rather not install that. :) |
| 16:38.16 | elg | fozzmoo: yeah, it's called mercurial |
| 16:38.24 | elg | or git |
| 16:38.25 | elg | or darcs |
| 16:38.29 | elg | or anything other than svn |
| 16:38.45 | elg | if you must stick with svn, look into svk. it has facilities to make merging humanly possible |
| 16:39.24 | fozzmoo | Thank you. |
| 16:39.47 | sjansen | git-svn |
| 16:39.57 | fozzmoo | I don't know that I have control over what SCM we use at this point, but it's good to know there are other/better stuff. |
| 16:40.04 | sjansen | Friends don't let friends use svk. |
| 16:40.14 | fozzmoo | sjansen: What is git-svn? |
| 16:40.21 | levi | If you're using windows, Tortoise SVN is great. |
| 16:40.27 | elg | sjansen: why not? i mean, if you're stuck with svn |
| 16:40.39 | elg | i found it a satisfactory way to work with svn repos |
| 16:41.01 | elg | if there is a *good* bridge between something like git, that might be even better |
| 16:41.01 | fozzmoo | ooho. svk is from bestpractical. Those guys rock. |
| 16:41.15 | elg | *might* |
| 16:41.29 | elg | i don't have experience with said mythical creature though so I can't comment |
| 16:41.33 | levi | elg: Are you a git convert now? |
| 16:41.41 | elg | no, i prefer mercurial |
| 16:41.50 | sjansen | fozzmoo: As the name implies, git-svn makes it possible to use git locally but also commit to an svn repo. Or in other words, git-svn is why subversion doesn't totally suck. |
| 16:42.01 | fozzmoo | I see. |
| 16:42.08 | elg | git is a decent choice though and I don't begrudge anyone choosing it |
| 16:43.00 | sjansen | svk feels like a hack, which isn't surprising since it is |
| 16:43.02 | fozzmoo | So, svk is something I would install locally to manage my local working directories... |
| 16:43.21 | fozzmoo | and I would not have to change the repository/server. |
| 16:43.25 | sjansen | Real distributed systems don't make you jump through the hoops svk does. |
| 16:43.37 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Sure... but I'm stuck with SVN for the moment. |
| 16:43.56 | fozzmoo | and if svk makes it easier to merge changes to other branches, I think I like that. |
| 16:43.57 | levi | fozzmoo: git-svn would also be something you installed to manage your local checkouts. |
| 16:44.05 | sjansen | Have faught svk and used git-svn, I recommend git-svn hands down. |
| 16:44.13 | Jayce^ | I've liked svk for helping in deal with svn, but hadn't seen git-svn.... will need to look into it.. |
| 16:44.21 | elg | sjansen: real distributed systems aren't based on svn |
| 16:44.25 | Jayce^ | you faught it? |
| 16:44.27 | elg | but if git-svn works well, like I said, worth a look |
| 16:44.34 | elg | if I had any svn repos to worry about, I might look |
| 16:44.40 | sjansen | fought |
| 16:44.41 | levi | I faught the law, and the law one |
| 16:44.47 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 16:45.08 | Jayce^ | touch? |
| 16:45.36 | sjansen | ~touch Jayce^ |
| 16:45.36 | ibot | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 16:46.02 | elg | when I was doing this, there was no git-svn. there was an import into git from svn, but it wasn't bidirectoinal. and git really really sucked then |
| 16:46.34 | fozzmoo | yum installs perl-SVK |
| 16:46.43 | sjansen | Yeah, before git-svn there was git-subversion or something sucky like that everyone should avoid and forget. |
| 16:47.11 | fozzmoo | I barely know svn... not sure if I'm ready to jump into git yet. |
| 16:47.59 | elg | i have to give kudos to git for rising out of the muck that it used to be. not every OSS cli project (let alone proprietary ones) have the chutzpa to continue radically changing the UI until it doesn't suck. |
| 16:48.40 | tvc123 | fozzmoo: git is really confusing for about the first 2 weeks ... and then you wonder why you haven't always used it |
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| 16:48.52 | fozzmoo | tvc123: I'm sure that's true. :) |
| 16:50.21 | Tene | I had no problems at all with git from the very start. It's still the only revision control system I can use without regularly screwing things up. |
| 16:50.47 | fozzmoo | Tene: Yeah, but you're... "special." |
| 16:50.48 | Tene | I still manage to break things in SVN every couple of commits, so now I just do everything with svn through git-svn. |
| 16:50.56 | elg | i find that no RVS can keep me from screwing up |
| 16:51.06 | elg | oh, you meant screwing up with the RVS itself. ;-) |
| 16:53.19 | ^Migs^ | http://a11.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/61/l_4eb8626b732027944f062d08b976af12.jpg |
| 16:58.09 | Tene | Committing things I don't mean to commit, losing changes, failing to commit everything I need... |
| 16:58.39 | Tene | I tried svk, but I couldn't get it to work at all. |
| 16:59.07 | Jayce^ | git-svn is an addon? or part of the core? |
| 16:59.50 | Tene | CVS was painful, but I guess I rarely broke things with it. |
| 17:00.20 | Tene | The url listed for it in the git-svn package is http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/ |
| 17:00.24 | Tene | So looks like core. |
| 17:00.42 | Jayce^ | hrm, not finding it in my macports build is why I was wondering |
| 17:01.26 | Jayce^ | ahh, it's a variant now, gotta build it in.. k |
| 17:02.37 | Sargun_Screen | Tene: CVSwas better than what we were running @ work a few months ago |
| 17:02.38 | Tene | Let me know if you have trouble getting your git-svn mirror set up. It took me a decent while to figure out how to persuade it to work well with branches and such. |
| 17:02.47 | Tene | Sargun_Screen: what were you running at work? |
| 17:02.48 | Sargun_Screen | It has a stateful server |
| 17:03.00 | Sargun_Screen | uhm |
| 17:03.12 | Sargun_Screen | like 'clearcode' |
| 17:03.44 | Sargun_Screen | I just downloaded a nightly tarball of all the code |
| 17:04.15 | Sargun_Screen | but the few times I had to use it, it shat itslf |
| 17:04.31 | Sargun_Screen | I know it integrated with 'track' |
| 17:06.51 | Tene | clearcase |
| 17:07.00 | Tene | which integrates with 'trac' |
| 17:11.26 | tensai | visual source safe ftw! |
| 17:23.29 | Sargun_Screen | Tene: it wasn't tradational trac.. |
| 17:24.04 | Sargun_Screen | it was an integrated bug filing system, VCS, and collaboration system |
| 17:24.29 | Sargun_Screen | the company who created it went out of business! |
| 17:29.13 | elg | the company that created #utah went out of state |
| 17:30.16 | Sargun_Screen | the mormon church? |
| 17:30.19 | Sargun_Screen | :-P |
| 17:30.55 | elg | since it neither had anything to do with this irc channel nor left the state, your joke falls flat on its face |
| 17:31.15 | Sargun_Screen | it createdish utah |
| 17:31.23 | Jayce^ | wonders which company elg is talking about |
| 17:31.58 | elg | the nebulous group of founders |
| 17:32.11 | elg | they left Jayce^ behind, to hold the fort down |
| 17:32.26 | elg | the #utah maia |
| 17:34.08 | maquis | Jayce^: how many of us in #utah are actually from utah? |
| 17:34.17 | maquis | s/from/in |
| 17:34.23 | high_roller | raises hand |
| 17:34.29 | high_roller | born and raised |
| 17:34.32 | RyanE | waves |
| 17:34.39 | maquis | crazy people... |
| 17:34.49 | RyanE | both *from* and *in*. |
| 17:35.17 | Sargun_Screen | my jawbone is *somewhere* in my backpack |
| 17:35.30 | maquis | Sargun_Screen: why isn't it on your face? |
| 17:35.31 | Sargun_Screen | my cell phone pairs with it |
| 17:35.41 | Sargun_Screen | I just can't *find* it |
| 17:35.44 | Sargun_Screen | :-( |
| 17:36.27 | fozzmoo | good one, maquis. |
| 17:37.04 | maquis | fozzmoo: thanks |
| 17:37.17 | maquis | personally, i like my jawbone right where it is... |
| 17:37.32 | fozzmoo | jawbones that wander.... are so... freaky. |
| 17:38.09 | maquis | would explain why sargun spends so much time typing in here instead of out talking with people in that thing people call the Real World |
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| 17:39.57 | Jayce^ | jsut *in* |
| 17:41.55 | fozzmoo | What?! |
| 17:41.56 | Sargun_Screen | maquis: the real world? what's that? |
| 17:42.09 | Sargun_Screen | if only ibot was here, I could ask it |
| 17:42.19 | Tene | Sargun_Screen: the big blue room with the HUGE yellow lamp |
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| 17:43.27 | fozzmoo | drop-ships Sargun_Screen a DVD "Virtual sex with INSERT-PORN-STAR-NAME-HERE" |
| 17:43.32 | Sargun_Screen | that place is terrible |
| 17:44.15 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: huh? |
| 17:44.26 | Sargun_Screen | that was the worst joke of all |
| 17:44.58 | fozzmoo | Oh sorry. Do you already own that one? |
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| 18:07.00 | clints | HI folks, doing a demo in Los Angeles to the Police Department IT staff |
| 18:07.05 | clints | anyone there? |
| 18:08.00 | clints | hello |
| 18:08.04 | clints | bueller? |
| 18:08.05 | clints | bueller? |
| 18:08.17 | tensai | clints: did you hide your weed? |
| 18:09.12 | unum | hi |
| 18:10.12 | Sargun_Screen | clints: ? |
| 18:10.30 | Sargun_Screen | clints: are we on a projector? |
| 18:10.41 | tensai | ~lart clints |
| 18:10.41 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at clints |
| 18:10.54 | Sargun_Screen | is bueller some kind of 'code word' |
| 18:11.13 | Jayce^ | excuse Sargun, he's too young to understand |
| 18:11.32 | Jayce^ | but, he is in CA also :) |
| 18:13.51 | clints | Sargun_Screen: yes, on screen |
| 18:14.11 | clints | thanks folks |
| 18:14.27 | clints | ~lart Sargun_Screen |
| 18:14.27 | ibot | hauls Sargun_Screen up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
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| 18:15.22 | Sargun_Screen | Jayce^: forrest bueller's day off? |
| 18:15.59 | Jayce^ | see! (Ferris) |
| 18:21.26 | Sargun_Screen | I was close |
| 18:21.53 | Sargun_Screen | I saw trailers for that movie years ago |
| 18:49.55 | fozzmoo | levi/sjansen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgctSIL8Lhs |
| 18:51.22 | Tene | I think I saw part of that movie once. |
| 18:51.38 | Tene | Some kid fakes sick to skip school, and then drives a car off a cliff or something? |
| 18:54.11 | fozzmoo | and... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHj8-HSi5AA |
| 18:55.31 | elg | i saw this movie once where some hobbit walked a long way and threw a ring in a volcano |
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| 19:00.38 | fozzmoo | Only about 60 pages into it... |
| 19:00.40 | fozzmoo | I stopped. |
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| 19:01.36 | fungus | fozzmoo: I got 25% through on my last attempt. |
| 19:01.52 | fozzmoo | fungus: Oh yeah? What stopped you from finishing it? |
| 19:02.02 | fungus | Bored the crap out of me. |
| 19:02.06 | Tene | Hmm. Wodim is hung trying to blank a cdrw. |
| 19:02.06 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 19:02.08 | Tene | Can't eject. |
| 19:02.28 | Tene | Doesn't respond to kill -9 |
| 19:03.00 | fozzmoo | I stopped because I decided to suspend all my political, philosophical, and historical reading for a while so I can deal with some personal crap going on. |
| 19:03.13 | fozzmoo | But I intend to finish it. |
| 19:03.15 | fozzmoo | (again) |
| 19:03.31 | elg | Tene: welcome to the reboot coaster |
| 19:03.46 | Tene | I just used a paperclip to eject the drive and everything's back to normal. |
| 19:03.48 | fozzmoo | Tene: Rename /usr/bin/wodim to /usr/bin/whoadim |
| 19:03.57 | elg | fozzmoo: the nice thing about books is you can take them to the throne room with you |
| 19:04.09 | fozzmoo | elg: That is true. |
| 19:04.11 | elg | Tene: lucky |
| 19:04.22 | fozzmoo | elg: Same with my Palm Centro w/ QuickNews on it. |
| 19:04.32 | Tene | elg: laptops too |
| 19:04.36 | elg | so personal crap shouldn't be an issue |
| 19:04.39 | fozzmoo | elg: Let's me read about bread loaf pans while I'm sittin on the toilet. |
| 19:04.46 | Tene | oh, it was a pun |
| 19:04.51 | Tene | laaaaaame |
| 19:05.06 | elg | fozzmoo: i bet you contemplated filling one |
| 19:05.07 | fozzmoo | elg: I had no idea there were so many pan options. |
| 19:06.24 | elg | those are just the ones that are some kind of standard |
| 19:10.46 | ^Migs^ | OMG95CENTSOFF! http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-D90-Digital-18-105mm-3-5-5-6G/dp/B001ENOZY4/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t |
| 19:10.50 | fozzmoo | Oh, and here's more.... http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/09/flashback-to-1990s-origins-of-credit.html |
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| 19:14.36 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Get it while it's cheap! |
| 19:19.57 | ^Migs^ | I'm gonna but TEN |
| 19:20.00 | ^Migs^ | s/but/buy/ |
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| 19:48.20 | elg | -chat i once |
| 19:48.20 | brac | i once got so many "_" |
| 19:48.30 | elg | brac: you forgot the punchline |
| 19:50.57 | Sargun | heya bonez46 |
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| 19:55.25 | levi | fozzmoo: People who complain about liberal media bias aren't allowed to post links to FOX. ;) |
| 19:55.57 | fozzmoo | Hey- I saw a guy at Del Taco reading Time magazine... |
| 19:56.07 | fozzmoo | Obama's face is on the cover... for the 7th time. |
| 19:56.09 | elg | kfoltman (n=kfoltman@83-71-37-156.b-ras1.srl.dublin.eircom.net) left the chat room. (Remote closed the connection) |
| 19:56.10 | elg | [13:03] kfoltman (n=kfoltman@83-71-37-156.b-ras1.srl.dublin.eircom.net) joined the chat room. |
| 19:56.10 | elg | [13:04] kfoltman: heh, ctrl-alt-backspace inside a virtual machine doesn't work as expected ;) |
| 19:59.17 | unum | so would postgres have a setting that would limit how much data it could take from a single host? |
| 19:59.27 | eggyknap | elg: lol :) |
| 19:59.52 | levi | fozzmoo: I'm just saying, if you're annoyed at liberally-biased media outlets, shouldn't you also be annoyed at conservatively-biased media outlets? |
| 19:59.53 | eggyknap | unum: you mean, something where a client couldn't insert more than some given amount of data? |
| 20:00.11 | bonez46 | Sargun Hello there |
| 20:00.20 | unum | eggyknap: rather can't have more than a certain number of connections |
| 20:00.36 | fozzmoo | levi: I don't think FOX News is anywhere near as biased to the right as, say, MSNBC/NBC and CBS are to the left. |
| 20:00.39 | eggyknap | Not AFAIK, on a host-specific level. You can limit total connections, but that's it. |
| 20:00.49 | eggyknap | seems to remember pf will let you do things like that at a firewall level, though |
| 20:00.51 | ^Migs^ | I get both Time and Newsweek. Bunch of liberal socialist commie propaganda. |
| 20:01.13 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Wow. There's four hot words in a row. |
| 20:01.13 | unum | I'm not trying to limit it but unlimit it |
| 20:01.14 | elg | reminds me of one time at work (research assistant) i was doing something on the file server and all of a sudden got the wall that it was going down for reboot. I looked around and saw ajorge pale faced, white as a ghost. He quickly got up and went to the server room. soon people started wondering why the network shares were not responding |
| 20:01.25 | elg | he'd typed reboot in the wrong window |
| 20:01.35 | levi | fozzmoo: The only relatively unbiased analysis that I've seen says that there is indeed a liberal bias in most media, but that FOX news is at least as conservatively biased as the worst of the liberal biased sources. |
| 20:02.10 | ^Migs^ | I only get them because at the beginning of the year I found a deal...annual subscriptions to 4 magazines for only $5 |
| 20:02.17 | eggyknap | unum: there's a max_connections value in postgresql.conf. Note that if you're tempted to raise it into some really big value (for some definition of "really big") you might do better to run a connection pooler (pgpool, pgbouncer, etc.) |
| 20:02.33 | fozzmoo | FOX news has their conservative commentators like Hannity, but their news team is actually largely liberal, like most news organizations. |
| 20:02.38 | levi | fozzmoo: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx |
| 20:02.57 | levi | fozzmoo: You only think it's largely liberal because you're way conservative. |
| 20:03.01 | fozzmoo | What?!!? You want me to believe something based out of UCLA as objective?! |
| 20:03.02 | unum | the database isn't being as responsive as I'd like when it still has plenty of cpu, memory and bandwidth |
| 20:03.06 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 20:03.10 | ^Migs^ | when I fill out the cancellation forms, and they ask why I'm cancelling, I'm going to put exactly that: "Liberal socialist commie propagandic nonsense." |
| 20:03.19 | unum | if I turn off a certain script it becomes responsive again, but I'm trying to find the bottle neck |
| 20:03.24 | levi | fozzmoo: Look at how they did the study. |
| 20:03.38 | levi | fozzmoo: And it generally agrees with you that the media has a liberal bias. |
| 20:04.10 | fozzmoo | levi: I was just giving you crap. |
| 20:05.36 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, you and your crap today.. .man |
| 20:05.51 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: You might say... I was full of it. |
| 20:06.05 | mrpull | who broke twitter? |
| 20:06.14 | fozzmoo | hands levi crap in a bread loaf pan |
| 20:06.26 | fozzmoo | mrpull: That's its nature, didn't you know? |
| 20:06.43 | fozzmoo | points mrpull to indenti.ca |
| 20:06.58 | mrpull | I didn't even get the friendly failwhale. |
| 20:07.35 | Heartsbane | twitter == FULLAFAIL |
| 20:07.41 | mrpull | oddly enough I'm getting prompted for basic http authentication for "Production Staging Access - Employees Only" |
| 20:07.47 | mrpull | don't know if it just me |
| 20:07.56 | Jayce^ | twitter = NO CARRIER |
| 20:08.25 | Jayce^ | mrpull, just tried, I get the same |
| 20:08.57 | harleypig | the api seems to be working. |
| 20:09.11 | mrpull | earlier I was thinking we all ought to replace twitter with finger |
| 20:09.15 | harleypig | I just got an update |
| 20:09.21 | harleypig | mrpull: :] |
| 20:09.42 | mrpull | and set up a .plan TLD |
| 20:10.03 | fozzmoo | mrpull: Genius. Sargun will never figure that out. |
| 20:10.03 | harleypig | that's a pretty good idea actually. |
| 20:10.40 | mrpull | that gets rid of that "arbitrary" 140 characters |
| 20:11.55 | mrpull | is it a pure coincidence that gmail is not really working well for me either? |
| 20:12.26 | mrpull | darnit, I'm trying to procrastinate here |
| 20:15.49 | Sargun | elg, I've done that many times before. |
| 20:16.34 | Sargun | mrpull, -_- |
| 20:16.42 | Sargun | understand no carrier |
| 20:16.42 | Tene | We need a new error code. Just ETWITTER. |
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| 20:16.51 | elg | ETWITTERPATED |
| 20:16.54 | Sargun | has used AT before. |
| 20:17.33 | Sargun | mrpull, I think Gmail fsck. |
| 20:17.33 | Sargun | We're experiencing technical difficulties that may prevent your chats from being sent |
| 20:18.22 | Sargun | Ok, Gmail is fsck. |
| 20:19.00 | Heartsbane | exTwitterpated |
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| 20:43.40 | tensai | elg: see molly-guard |
| 20:43.53 | tensai | it saved my bacon not too long ago when I tried to reboot the wrong server |
| 20:48.32 | tensai | which reminds me, I ought to install that on all the servers |
| 20:57.02 | JoshH | i wonder if that was created after an unfortunate accident |
| 20:59.16 | tensai | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/molly-guard.html |
| 20:59.32 | tensai | A shield to prevent tripping of some Big Red Switch by clumsy or ignorant hands. Originally used of the plexiglass covers improvised for the BRS on an IBM 4341 after a programmer's toddler daughter (named Molly) frobbed it twice in one day. |
| 21:03.29 | JoshH | heh, cool |
| 21:04.00 | tensai | I covered my power switches with duct tape, which worked until they realized the button was still there |
| 21:04.46 | tensai | so I disabled the power button with APM or ACPI or whatever it was |
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| 21:13.58 | sjansen | The bosses are playing with this in the lobby: |
| 21:13.59 | sjansen | http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_boom.html?gclid=CInDsPft95UCFSJIagodbCZC3g |
| 21:20.47 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 21:21.03 | sjansen | I want one, but then I'll need a file server and a decent wireless AP. |
| 21:21.39 | sjansen | And the awesomeness of the squeezebox will make my apartment look even shabbier... |
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| 21:26.28 | levi | sjansen: A coworker of mine just got an AppleTV that he's planning on sticking mythfrontend on. |
| 21:43.15 | mrpull | this concall should have been 15 minutes |
| 21:43.33 | mrpull | it has gone in complete circles 4 times |
| 21:43.33 | mrpull | and is 45 minutes now |
| 21:43.33 | mrpull | gaaarrrrrr |
| 21:43.35 | levi | Fun. |
| 21:44.34 | mrpull | my wife is warming up to the xbox360 as a media center front end |
| 21:44.42 | mrpull | I use tversity on the backend |
| 21:45.35 | mrpull | gosh... the sales guy that initiated this call says "I'm not technical enough to digest all of this" |
| 21:45.59 | mrpull | so 45 minutes and he doesn't know if his question was answered |
| 21:48.43 | levi | What do you like about tversity? |
| 21:49.18 | mrpull | free / easy / transcodes on the fly |
| 21:49.28 | mrpull | I've got a directv dvr for tv |
| 21:49.41 | mrpull | so I just use it for mp3's and some ripped movies |
| 21:50.34 | mrpull | to be honest, windows media player 11's sharing fits 90% of my needs |
| 21:51.23 | mrpull | tversity also works well with the DNLA client in the sat receivers |
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| 21:53.41 | levi | Ooh, someone's written a mythtv RSS/Atom aggregator for videos. |
| 21:54.06 | mrpull | I'm a dumbass and ran my battery down in my car... now my radio is asking for an antitheft code |
| 21:54.09 | mrpull | that I don't have |
| 21:54.25 | levi | Whoops. |
| 21:54.26 | mrpull | Netflix is rumored to be opening their on-demand service API |
| 21:54.35 | levi | Time to visit the dealer. |
| 21:54.36 | mrpull | that may be nice for the myth folks |
| 21:54.55 | elg | correction, that *would* be nice |
| 21:55.00 | Jayce^ | ugh, need to open up and clean out the carbs on my bike :( |
| 21:55.07 | elg | or *will* depending on your level of optimism |
| 21:55.23 | elg | Jayce^: just have harleypig scare the dirt out |
| 21:55.48 | levi | I want a scooter. |
| 21:56.13 | harleypig | elg: you have to have some intelligence to be scared of me. |
| 21:56.44 | mrpull | I'm guessing it will be around the same time the open up the service to xbox360 users |
| 21:57.23 | Jayce^ | I tried to be willing to get a scooter, really wanted to convince myself I'd be ok with it... |
| 21:57.25 | Jayce^ | it didn't work |
| 21:57.28 | elg | are you calling Jayce^ bike dumb? |
| 21:57.45 | Jayce^ | elg, I do that at times myself :) |
| 21:57.59 | elg | scooter too sissy for ya? |
| 21:57.59 | Jayce^ | of course, my bike is now named 'Trogdor' |
| 21:58.04 | elg | jacob has a scooter, though I haven't seen it |
| 21:58.11 | Jayce^ | elg, basically, yeah.. too emasculating :) |
| 21:58.19 | elg | a scooter with an armchair might ne nice |
| 21:58.23 | elg | for cross-country |
| 21:58.36 | Jayce^ | I would have had to get at least the 250 cc to handle where I would drive, and then it's just not as worth it |
| 21:58.57 | elg | so what makes a scooter beneficial over a motorcycle other than you can wear a dress while riding one? are they lighter? cheaper to make? |
| 21:59.13 | harleypig | http://www.gizmag.com/go/5943/ |
| 21:59.15 | brac | [Motorcycle with two front wheels and speed-variable wheeltrack] |
| 21:59.16 | harleypig | I ant this. |
| 21:59.27 | Jayce^ | well, the chineese ones are.. but the better quality ones aren't cheaper |
| 22:00.03 | Jayce^ | usually lighter since they are so much smaller means they are easier to learn to ride |
| 22:01.17 | elg | is that just convention though? can't you have a small bike? |
| 22:01.49 | Jayce^ | some enduros are that small, but they are really tall |
| 22:02.03 | Jayce^ | the little little bikes aren't as road worthy :) |
| 22:02.22 | Jayce^ | scooters are decent for in-town riding, but not beyond. |
| 22:03.03 | Jayce^ | the small tires, small engines, and oftentimes the way the belt drives are setup don't work for more than that |
| 22:04.00 | Jayce^ | the little 150cc scooters that are so common really strain to get me to 40mph, and can only do that after being broken in.. despite dealers promising more |
| 22:04.34 | Jayce^ | my smaller sized bike has no problem doing the speed limit.. it's not going to go over 80 with me though.. |
| 22:06.19 | levi | Jayce^: What kind of bike do you have, and how much was it? |
| 22:06.38 | Jayce^ | 81 Kawasaki kz750 right now |
| 22:06.53 | Jayce^ | about 1300, have put some work into it though |
| 22:06.57 | Jayce^ | low miles on it |
| 22:07.10 | Jayce^ | it had been sitting for over 10 years in a garage. |
| 22:07.20 | Jayce^ | hence gummy carbs, among other little issues it's had |
| 22:07.54 | Jayce^ | for the price of a decent quality scooter, you can find lots of slightly used bikes.. |
| 22:08.07 | Jayce^ | for the price of the cheap chineese ones, you go to a bit older bike, like mine |
| 22:08.32 | levi | Yeah, I'd probably end up doing something like that too, except my wife would also love to have a scooter. |
| 22:08.37 | Jayce^ | but if you're learning, why not get the cheap one first, so you don't feel bad about when you lay it down :) |
| 22:08.50 | Jayce^ | levi, I seriously tried hard to like one.. |
| 22:09.01 | Jayce^ | if I lived in town, real close to work, I could maybe do it.. |
| 22:09.24 | Jayce^ | but especially the cheap ones you see around town, dang if they don't have the crappiest records |
| 22:09.28 | levi | If I was really going to spend that kind of money on transportation, though, it would be put towards purchasing a new turbo for my Miata. |
| 22:09.36 | Jayce^ | and you can feel the lack of quality in them |
| 22:09.51 | Jayce^ | plus, a decent bike is just plain *fun* to rid |
| 22:09.54 | Jayce^ | ride |
| 22:10.07 | levi | I'd be more likely to get a euro-style Yamaha scooter or somesuch. |
| 22:10.32 | levi | The 80s-style Chinese scooters don't do anything for me. |
| 22:13.14 | tensai | levi: rss feed for the videos it records? |
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| 22:13.39 | levi | tensai: Yup. |
| 22:13.59 | tensai | link? |
| 22:14.09 | levi | tensai: Well, it downloads videos from a podcast-style RSS feed and puts them in your recordings. |
| 22:14.22 | levi | http://www.stillhq.com/mythtv/mythnettv/ |
| 22:14.24 | brac | [stillhq.com : Mikal, a geek from Canberra living in Silicon Valley] |
| 22:14.53 | mrpull | ~praise Stockton to Malone Honda's parts department for looking up my code in seconds! |
| 22:14.54 | ibot | All hail Stockton to Malone Honda's parts department for looking up my code in seconds!! |
| 22:16.05 | tensai | ah, that's the other direction. cool though. an rss feed of the shows that myth already recorded would be nice too. |
| 22:16.45 | mrpull | tensai: that must exist... back when I had tivo's there were scripts to create rss for recorded shows |
| 22:17.02 | tensai | probably. it never occured to me to look until levi said something. |
| 22:17.35 | mrpull | a few days back I was wondering if there was an MythTV equiv to Xbox Live |
| 22:18.00 | mrpull | a "what are my friends watching" dashboard |
| 22:18.11 | mrpull | maybe recommendations |
| 22:18.43 | tensai | well, what do you know. http://myth:6544/xml |
| 22:18.44 | mrpull | wrap in some messaging |
| 22:19.12 | tensai | wait, that doesn't look like rss |
| 22:19.32 | mrpull | levi: are you aware of the more popular tv rss providers? it doesn't necessarily have to be just podcasts :) |
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| 22:20.00 | levi | mrpull: Yes, though most of them provide torrents, and I don't think this is hooked up to a torrent downloader. |
| 22:20.59 | tensai | wishes they would make more Ctrl Alt Chicken |
| 22:23.15 | mrpull | levi: good point. I presumed it would have a torrent backend |
| 22:23.38 | levi | It appears to be written in python. Might not be too hard to extend to do that. |
| 22:26.27 | mrpull | I've said it before and will say it again... if it wasn't for sports it would be nice to buy the TV I watch ala-cart |
| 22:26.40 | mrpull | I bet I'd waste less time watching tv |
| 22:26.56 | unum | conveintly I hate sports :) |
| 22:27.10 | unum | I watch USA,comedy central, discovery, history and tbs |
| 22:27.52 | mrpull | when is comedy central going to be hi-def? |
| 22:29.29 | mrpull | I think CC is one of the last "major" networks that I watch that hasn't made the leap |
| 22:29.57 | mrpull | I also look forward to BBC America's Top Gear in HD |
| 22:30.00 | unum | you hankering for a better look at John Stewart ;) |
| 22:30.15 | mrpull | that John Stewart is a handsome man |
| 22:30.20 | mrpull | or so my wife tells me |
| 22:34.07 | mrpull | does mythv have a DNLA client? |
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| 22:35.18 | bonez46 | is it possible to run flash content....on linux? I can't seem to get the player installed on my x86_64 system... |
| 22:35.39 | unum | uh ya..... |
| 22:35.50 | unum | there is no x86_64 adobe flash player |
| 22:36.01 | mrpull | bonez46: good luck my friend... old issue... same workaround :-/ |
| 22:36.10 | tensai | if sjansen were here he'd love to coach you on how to install it |
| 22:36.17 | unum | what most people do is install 32 bit firefox so they can install the 32 bit flash player |
| 22:36.25 | unum | some distros even include both |
| 22:36.32 | unum | LOTS of web sites on it |
| 22:37.47 | mrpull | All this tv talk has me excited for the NBC Thursday night... Office / 30 Rock == Good |
| 22:38.08 | mrpull | wait... If I put ==, I'd better not mix in a / |
| 22:38.18 | mrpull | office + 30 rock == mucho good |
| 22:38.55 | Tene | I have flash running on an x86_64 system |
| 22:39.02 | Tene | there's a plugin compat layer thing |
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| 22:41.05 | Jayce^ | Earl |
| 22:41.25 | mrpull | I fell behind on Earl... maybe got tired of it. |
| 22:41.43 | mrpull | but last weekend I watched the Camdenites episode and thought it was awesome |
| 22:42.57 | bonez46 | Tene: how did you get it installed? |
| 22:43.14 | tensai | apt-get install plugin-compat-layer-thing |
| 22:43.35 | Tene | bonez46: I don't remember. |
| 22:43.42 | tensai | Tene: what distro? |
| 22:43.45 | Tene | fedora |
| 22:43.49 | bonez46 | ubuntu 8.04 |
| 22:44.24 | Tene | Ah! |
| 22:44.26 | Tene | nspluginwrapper. |
| 22:44.34 | tensai | I ask because I recall sjansen moaning about how fedora 64 worked much better than debian/ubuntu |
| 22:44.43 | tensai | don't know the details or if it's still the case |
| 22:45.15 | Tene | bonez46: check out nspluginwrapper |
| 22:45.39 | bonez46 | hmm mine is 'already the newest version' |
| 22:45.45 | Tene | hmm |
| 22:46.05 | tensai | anybody use cacti? |
| 22:46.15 | bonez46 | cacti? for what? |
| 22:46.31 | bonez46 | to scratch my back? |
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| 22:48.46 | tensai | only if your back was made by cisco |
| 22:50.13 | unum | darn I couldn't think of a joke to make about cisco making backs |
| 22:50.32 | unum | show spine |
| 22:50.36 | unum | no spines found |
| 22:51.33 | mrpull | tensai: I use cacti |
| 22:51.42 | mrpull | it is a nice package |
| 22:51.49 | tensai | we use it too |
| 22:52.02 | tensai | we're considering opening it up to our customers, so they can see their own graphs |
| 22:52.15 | tensai | any experience with that? |
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| 23:05.52 | herlo | I was just informed me that GL is holding a RHCE exam next Friday, maybe people would want to go take it? |
| 23:07.42 | herlo | GL == Guru Labs for the uninformed |
| 23:09.05 | Tene | RHCE = Red Hat Certified Elephant, for the uninformed |
| 23:09.21 | nick125 | I want to be an elephant! |
| 23:09.25 | nick125 | theheeh |
| 23:10.00 | tensai | uniformed elephants? |
| 23:17.50 | jalbretse1 | I must have signed up for the wrong test |
| 23:18.57 | jalbretse1 | if you're feeling like you want to travel, you can come to the exam RH is giving in Maryland next Friday |
| 23:21.00 | herlo | lol |
| 23:21.33 | herlo | jalbretse1: I won't be there either, I'm giving an RHCE exam in Santa Clara |
| 23:23.21 | Tene | Using a CD-R for 90k is entertaining. |
| 23:30.56 | fozzmoo | Stupid Red Hat. |
| 23:31.09 | fozzmoo | STUPID RED HAT! |
| 23:31.34 | Tene | What about them? |
| 23:32.01 | fozzmoo | They won't let me take only the RHCE exam next Friday. My boss doesn't want me gone all week. |
| 23:32.12 | Tene | They won't let you? Weird. |
| 23:32.22 | Tene | Eh, not so weird for RH. |
| 23:32.24 | fozzmoo | Weird? Try "stupid" |
| 23:32.33 | Tene | Yeah, stupid. |
| 23:32.50 | Tene | goes to print exams now. bbl. |
| 23:32.57 | fozzmoo | sighs |
| 23:34.03 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: for the class or the exam. the exam is just fri |
| 23:34.25 | fozzmoo | I know. I wanted to just take the exam. RH said nuh uh. |
| 23:34.52 | eightyeight | i see |
| 23:35.00 | eightyeight | it is a 300, which is the package deal |
| 23:36.59 | eightyeight | i guess rh isn't that interested in $$$ |
| 23:40.57 | fozzmoo | Yeah, whatever. |
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