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00:48.28maquisemcnabb: how's it going?
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02:49.00leviGah, so much crap to install for Visual Studio.
03:03.53eppyeh man
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03:26.19tensaioh I just missed elg
04:05.01leviHmm, I can't get Windows Vista to browse the computers on the VPN connection.
04:05.44TeneWithin the past few months I've started to pick up the "snarky responses whenever someone can't do something with Windows" habit.
04:05.47TeneI never used to do that.
04:05.51TeneI wonder where I got this from.
04:07.05Sargunhaha.
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04:16.34leviThis is really annoying.
04:18.59Sargunwhat is?
04:23.57epplevi I hear you
05:01.02leviI gave up.
05:07.24Sargunuse XP?
05:12.43leviI could browse the windows network in XP, but I still couldn't find my work desktop.
05:13.35leviI had just installed something that wanted me to reboot, maybe that screwed it up.
05:13.45Sarguncan you put in
05:13.50Sargun\\workdesktop's IP\
05:14.26epp\\Hostname
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05:17.53leviNope, neither of those worked.
05:18.00Sargunuhm
05:18.01Sargungive up.
05:18.12leviYeah.
05:18.15Sargunlevi, Can't you ask IT?
05:18.19Sargunand yell at them
05:19.40leviI'll be in the office tomorrow.
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07:24.23Sargunlevi, Is the only way to read %EIP in x86 ASM through call and popl?
07:26.17leviYes.
07:26.21Sargun_fakefun:
07:26.21Sargun<PROTECTED>
07:26.22Sargun<PROTECTED>
07:26.34SargunSo that'll work for a function that extracts %eip
07:27.13SargunSo, there is -no- way to manipulate EIP directly?
07:27.29leviNot according to Wikipedia, anyway.
07:27.36Tenemagnetized pin and a steady hand.
07:28.45SargunLHC is supposed to turn on in a little more than a minute.
07:29.06Sargunthey'll probably be late.
07:31.43tensaithey're not colliding anything yet
07:32.01SargunOh
07:32.05Sargunwhen are they doing that
07:32.15Sargunoctober?
07:32.51SargunThe collider is currently undergoing commissioning while being cooled down to its final operating temperature of approximately 1.9 K (?271.25 ?C). Initial particle beam injections were successfully carried out on 11 August 2008[2][3]and the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008 at 7:00 UTC.[4][5] This event will be webcast.[5][4] The first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after t
07:32.51Sargunhe LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008.[6]
07:34.28SargunWe're not dead.
07:34.33SargunI guess that's good.
07:40.08Supaplexbut why?
07:40.09Supaplex-excuse
07:41.09tensaithe idea that the earth will be destroyed is ludicrous. it just ain't gonna happen.
07:41.46tensaione of the guys who filed suit to stop the lhc also filed a similar suit to stop a smaller collider in the states
07:42.28Supaplexoh noes! Science is witchcraft in disguise! halp! </panic>
07:42.55tensaibasically
07:43.31Sargunthey failed to make the beams collide.
07:43.38TeneLHC is actually a massive summoning circle
07:43.52Tenesummon satan to earth, destroy mountains, etc.
07:43.58Supaplexhaha
07:55.59tensai~lart macrovision
07:56.00ibotresizes macrovision's terminal to 40x24
07:56.25Tenehttp://cosmicvariance.com/2008/09/09/live-blogging-the-lhc-startup/
07:59.20tensaihttp://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
08:25.54Tenehttp://wwitv.com/a1/b3219.asx -- live LHC stream
08:27.15TeneLHC just completed its first full loop, it looks like.
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15:53.55leviGood morning, #utah!
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16:18.35^Migs^http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
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16:19.48elghttp://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/
16:19.50unumI wish I would have lot of the xkcd line last night
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16:32.34Jayce^elg, nice there is a status page so we can check up..
16:32.54Jayce^the RSS feed will be really useful
16:33.05tvc123mmm rss then I won't have to check the news to know when the world has ended
16:33.56elgbe sure to view source
16:34.01tvc123the qustion remains if it says yes do I check shashdot or cnn to confirm
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17:02.49levihttp://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/08/29/050829fa_fact?currentPage=all
17:11.23^Migs^OLD
17:13.33leviDoes that make it irrelevant?
17:14.58^Migs^http://www.shacknews.com/images/image-o-matic.x?/images/sshots/Screenshot/10698/10698_48c7161254f4d_preview.jpg
17:21.34goozbachcoolest haircut EVAR! http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/rock_insane/spector2.jpg
17:24.24maquiswaits desperately for someone to post the next comment in her RPG
17:24.45leviYou have a rocket-propelled grenade?
17:24.55maquisit's pretty fun to play a completely irresponsible kid who isn't all that smart...
17:26.05Sargun_Screenwhen are they going to collide the beams in the lhc?
17:27.34fozzmoocouple weeks.
17:27.43leviThey're crossing the beams?  Uh oh!
17:28.05fozzmoolevi: Nothing can go wrong.
17:28.10fozzmoo;-)
17:31.06Jayce^goozbach, you need to grow that out..
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17:32.27maquisgoozbach: that's a scary haircut
17:32.27goozbachJayce^: I've been thinking about it
17:32.45goozbachmaquis: no, it's a scary guy, and an AWESOME haircut
17:32.48maquishigh voltage electricity?
17:35.08maquisack!  this station isn't buffering!
17:36.44levi"high energy protons spilling over into our atmosphere"
17:38.14harleypigwhat about low energy tachyons?
17:41.25harleypigis that what low energy tachyons do? make eggyknap quit?
17:42.28harleypig$stats->PH_stats
17:42.33harleypigerr ...
17:42.37harleypigwrong window
17:42.45leviThey fail to exist.
17:42.59harleypigCan you prove that?
17:43.23harleypigKeep in mind that I'm an unreasonable person.
17:43.31leviNo.
17:43.44harleypigYes I am!
17:43.54leviYes.
17:44.04harleypigYou can prove the don't exist?
17:44.08harleypigs/the/they/
17:44.14harleypigSee what I mean?
17:44.15leviI cannot.
17:44.29harleypigWhat're you? a retarded Eliza bot?
17:44.46leviTell me how you feel about retarded Eliza bots.
17:45.05harleypigmonkey wanna be
17:47.39harleypigthe bots
17:47.45harleypigthe bots are monkey wanna be's!
17:53.08elglevi: good article
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17:53.22^Migs^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXdFSWqJWkI
17:53.29elghealth care and health insurance both are severely broken here
17:55.50elgnice ending
17:58.39leviOnly Germany and the USA, out of the G8, do not have universal health coverage of some sort.  Germany's coverage percentage is in the 90s, while ours is below 50.
18:00.27levitries to figure out how to write an ISR for uC/OS.
18:00.45elgin C or assembly
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18:01.03leviParts in both.
18:01.10elgwith a text editor or ide
18:01.16elgusing a compiler or assembler
18:01.24elgusing a computer
18:01.27elgby ignoring harleypig
18:01.29elgis so helpful
18:01.30leviThe initial ISR needs to be in asm, but it's mostly a stub to call a C function.
18:01.48leviWell, considering I give that kind of help all the time, I deserve it right back. ;)
18:01.53leviI've mostly figured it out, I think.
18:02.45bonez45help.. I just was running, at 1600x1200, all I did was shut down, plug my machine back in and boot back up , after moving some cords and rearranging where my machine is set.. now, I can't get anything higher than 800x600 resolution.. WHY WHY WHY WHY?
18:03.07Sargun_Screenouch
18:03.13Sargun_Screenwhat gpu?
18:03.44bonez45it's on motherboard.. via.. rhine, it says.. the resolution was great, and now.. it's way reduced..
18:04.27leviPerhaps the result of a software update that you didn't reboot immediately afterward?
18:04.42bonez45well, I have shut down and rebooted a few times now..
18:05.04bonez45the video hardware on the mobo, AND the installed software and drivers, had it working just fine, before the power down..
18:05.08Sargun_Screenwill cygwin run inside of wine?
18:08.46^Migs^what about vmware?
18:08.57^Migs^could you run that inside wine?
18:09.48Sargun_Screenno
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18:45.50elg~onjoin dataw0lf RSpec < Test::Unit
18:45.50ibotelg: ok
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19:09.49brastoa co-worker of mine noticed that my Sandisk Cruzer was transferring at USB 1.1 speeds when he put a file on it.  I looked at the packaging after that since it was supposed to be USB 2.0.  Turns out that it's only USB 2.0 on high-powered USB ports.
19:09.51tensailevi: good article. I'll have to re-read the mccain and obama health proposals again in a new light.
19:11.24brastoNow I wonder, is that normal for all USB flash drives to require high powered usb ports?
19:13.43unumthe thing that usually bites people with usb flash drives are memory speed
19:14.26unum2.0 usb great! now I'm going to write to the drive at 4x
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19:14.44tensailevi: have you seen the pbs documentary about health care? I think it was on Frontline.
19:15.15tensaihttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/
19:19.58^Migs^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XbjFn3aqE
19:22.26harleypigOk, here's an image for all y'all!
19:22.33harleypigI'm buying a mini-notebook ...
19:22.47harleypignow picture me laying in the tub with it on my stomach ... just like an otter!
19:22.48harleypig:>
19:24.53goozbachsandblasts his eyes
19:25.05goozbachyou scared sjansen right off the internet!
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19:29.14harleypigheh
19:29.26elg^Migs^: that's so yesterday
19:29.27harleypigblame Jayce^, he's the one who came up with the idea.
19:35.19^Migs^sorry
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19:42.30unumgives up on using and gouges out his own eyes instead
19:42.51unums/using/using uno
19:43.15harleypigusing? using what?  I just found out about salvia ... it's legal for now ... that means I can take it right?
19:43.44unumis it natural?
19:43.55unumif it's natural you should take as much of it as you can afford
19:43.55harleypigyep
19:44.03harleypigheh
19:44.04unumnatural stuff is ALWAYS good for you
19:44.15RyanEharleypig: so you're like an otter in the fact that you're going to rip open the mini-notebook and eat the guts?  :)
19:44.21harleypigreally? So alchohol ... pot ... peyote ...
19:44.28harleypigRyanE: :D
19:44.31RyanEisn't that what they do with things they balance on their stomachs?
19:44.38harleypigRyanE: usually
19:44.48harleypigbut you're ignoring the image itself ...
19:44.55RyanEforcefully, yes.  :)
19:44.55harleypigtries to poke RyanE
19:45.00harleypigheh
19:45.00RyanEow!  My eye!
19:45.20harleypigoh ... sorry dude ...
19:45.29harleypighere ... lemme help ...
19:45.37harleypigproduces another disturbing image.
19:45.44unumharleypig: yep they are all good for you
19:45.44RyanESo, if I teach a training class that starts with 100 people, and 2 hours in (out of 3), 40 of the people have left, is that good or bad?  :)
19:46.54Jayce^RyanE, depends, did they leave screaming, clutching at their heads?
19:47.08RyanEJayce^: yeah, basically.
19:47.29RyanEIt was a class at an industry show, voluntary.  A bit over their heads, I suppose.
19:48.31RyanEstill, I'm flattered that 100 people (the first day) came to the class, I suppose.
19:49.40harleypigunum: :] thx ... now I have someone I can blame!
19:50.15harleypigRyanE: that's only 40% ... 60% stayed, which means that's a (barely) passing grade ...
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19:50.48RyanEyeah, and the 60 that came the next day, again, lost about 40%.  At least I'm consistently baffling...
19:51.08RyanEI guess I shouldn't change my career and apply at GL anytime soon.  :)
19:51.23Jayce^dunno, they might have some kind of award for that
19:51.41RyanEOn the bright side, I did manage to get my fat head into pictures of our booth on Engadget...  :)
19:51.46harleypigI think GL might actually make you even more baffling to the average Joe.
19:51.59harleypigheh ... redbeard2 excluded of course.
19:52.24harleypigyou're a fathead?
19:52.56RyanEyeah.  No hair on top accentuates it, too.  :)
19:53.08Jayce^~wig RyanE
19:53.36RyanEhttp://www.engadgethd.com/photos/control4-cedia-2008-booth-tour/1020883/
19:53.58harleypig:D
19:55.14sjansenOh yeah, 8-bits and 120 beats per second!
19:55.59RyanEWhat, you got a hummingbird heart rate monitor?   :)
19:58.02goozbachsjansen: link?
19:59.08sjansengoozbach: http://www.chiptunes.org/files/   <--- You'll need a mod player.
20:01.55RyanESort of like the 'computer' version of this: http://www.tinfoil.com/
20:12.53sjansenI'm sure GL would love to hire you. Especially if you bring Dax a bunch of those gadgets for his house. ;-)
20:15.45^Migs^http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/hey_where_did_all_my_stuff_go?utm_source=onion_rss_daily
20:20.03unumI'm not an onion fan, but that was kind of funny
20:20.23sjansenOh, wow, the theme from The Good, the Bad & the Ugly in 8 bit!
20:27.19tensaielg: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/relleno.jpg
20:27.32elgsweet
20:27.37elghow did they turn out?
20:27.41tensaielg: this batch turned out much much better. amazing what a difference roasting the peppers makes.
20:27.45elgthat reminds me I have a vid to upload to outub
20:28.01tensaiused a combo of cream cheese and mozzarella, with a dash of chipotle powder
20:28.07tensaiit was just spicy enough
20:28.24tensaithey got soft pretty quick after coming out of the oil
20:29.37elgyeah, they do that
20:29.52elgyou want them nice and crisp and then to get that oil off
20:30.10elgyou didn't roast the chiles the first time?
20:30.18elgi assume you peeled this as well as roasted
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20:34.12opapo_is there a way to see active threads on a postgres database?
20:36.33tensaielg: first time was a total failure. I neglected to roast and peel them. horrible results.
20:36.54tensaithis time I used a different pepper (anaheim vs poblano) and yes I did roast and peel them
20:37.12elgyeah, that skin is no fun to eat
20:37.22elgnot to mention i'm sure your batter didn't stick to it
20:37.35tensaiI found that putting a little dab of cheese on the handle of a fork was a nice way to deposit the creamy goodness all the way to the tip
20:37.48tensaivery true. it was like acid off a duck's back.
20:38.19Jayce^blinks...
20:38.20harleypigtensai licks ducks?
20:38.43tensaiit's from a Far Side cartoon
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20:40.40eggyknapopapo: postgresql is single-threaded.
20:40.52eggyknaphowever, select * from pg_stat_activity; will show you running backends
20:41.04eggyknap(note: it's multi-process, not multi-threaded)
20:41.40opapoin mysql administrator I run "Show full processlist" and it shows the queries that people are running
20:41.50opapodoes that work in postgres?
20:42.14eggyknapYeah, log in to psql and run that query -- it will do the same thing, provided you have adequate permissions and the right stuff turned on in your config to allow it.
20:42.37opapothanks
20:42.46eggyknapyw
20:52.42^Migs^http://www.theonion.com/content/news/scientists_create_largest_novelty_atom
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21:02.31leviMmmm, domestic violence prevention training.
21:03.00eggyknapopapo: belated follow up response: pgadmin probably has something quite similar. I don't use pgadmin, but people getting introduced to PostgreSQL seem to like it.
21:05.24levitensai: I hadn't seen it, but I'll have to check it out.
21:06.50leviAck, my aunt had 3 major seizures last night, and they still can't stabilize her. :(
21:07.14elgout of the blue?
21:07.36leviNo, she's been fighting cancer for a long time.
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21:08.53leviI saw her at a family reunion just last weekend.
21:10.28leviI don't know if it's a local thing or what, but she's going to be on Eggo Waffles boxes really soon because they're doing a cancer survivors thing.
21:16.14leviTime to go to class.
21:17.44elgtensai: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0Go9i5jyqkY
21:23.32elgthat's the chille relleno video I recorded back in spring (may I think, by the onion sets package on the counter)
21:23.43elgfinally got around to editing and uploading it
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21:34.12Teneelg: why did you upload to uk.youtube.com?
21:40.45elgi uploaded it to youtube, they're all the same. the url is uk because somewhere along the line I set uk for my preference country
21:41.14TeneWhy'd you do that?
21:41.28elgdunno
21:41.33elgmust have seemed like a good idea
21:41.39elgthis video isn't bad either. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BeLQNnDYFUk&feature=related
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21:43.10elgit's that time of year here where you go to the grocery store and people are buying bushels of chile and having them roasted outside
21:43.18elgthe smell of roasting chile fills the air
21:43.37TeneMmm... roasted chiles...
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21:43.58Jayce^is trying to decide on drying or canning his chile's
21:45.33elgwhat's wrong with roasting skinning and freezing?
21:45.39elger, roasting and freezing
21:45.44elgyou skin them on the other side
21:48.06TeneThat might be fun to try cooking tonight.
21:49.20Jayce^maybe that too
22:08.21{-}Plug tonight?
22:22.06{-}Anyone know if Plug is meeting tonight?
22:22.19{-}rsimpkins: I'm looking at you.
22:22.46TeneNot if he's not here, you're not.
22:22.48Tene/kick ...
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22:27.34tristanbob_Sun xVM server released today
22:27.43tristanbob_http://www.sun.com/launch/2008-0910/index.jsp?intcmp=hp2008sep10_xvm_chat-webcast
22:27.53bonez45I have a friend who is getting a PC from her father.. wants me to save the pics on it, and a few files, and then I'll reformat.. load ubuntu and set up openoffice and a few other things...for this friend.. what should I charge? I figure it will take me an hour or two...
22:28.09bonez45ideas?
22:28.18tristanbob_4 pizzas
22:28.28tristanbob_and a backrub
22:29.16bonez45hmmmm a backrub... from this lady...yeah, that would work...;)
22:29.20Tenebonez45: I've seen rates for that anywhere from $20/hr to $80/hr
22:29.36bonez45I don't mind trade.. I'll ask her what it's worth....
22:29.45TeneMy standard policy with friends is "I'll do this for you.  If you want to pay me for it, pay me whatever you feel like paying."
22:29.51TeneFor small jobs, at least.
22:33.47unumya
22:33.56unumespecially cute sing female friends....
22:34.06unums/sing/single
22:39.01Sargunbonez45, Aren't you a Chiropractor?
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22:46.38{-}http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
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22:52.51bonez45Sargun   yes, I am a Chiropractor
22:53.18SargunYa get to work on attractive women ever>?
22:53.30bonez45this is a friend who just needs some tech help... plus I have a chance of converting someone from winders over to Linux
22:53.43bonez45attractive women... yes... that always makes work very nice..
22:56.41TeneI've been meaning to ask if you ever trade sysadmin work for chiropractic work.
22:57.16bonez45Tene: well, yes, I have traded my services for sysadmin and config services...;)
23:01.28bonez45Tene: ? still here/
23:03.35{-}There is no Tene. There is only Xul.
23:03.50bonez45Xul, eh?
23:04.24bonez45Tene: how do I respond to you in a private window?
23:10.15elg<PROTECTED>
23:12.20bonez45elg: thanks Doc...;)
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23:16.19harleypigThis last August marked 20 years (to the month) since my last drink.
23:16.25harleypigI'm going to celebrate by getting drunk.
23:16.47TeneWhat are you going to drink?
23:17.02harleypigMy old friend Jack.
23:25.19Sargunharleypig, with who?
23:27.29harleypigI drink alone, yeah, with nobody else.
23:27.30harleypigYeah, you know when I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself.
23:27.52harleypigI'm not really going to get drunk ...
23:28.03harleypigheaven forfend my kids seeing me like that ...
23:28.08harleypigmy 14 year old would go hog wild.
23:28.32harleypignot to mention the fact that I'm on the tail end of a divorce ... don't need the ... other person getting wind of it ... :/
23:29.11tensaibesides, you seem crazy enough without the sauce
23:29.40harleypigI (used) to get quiet ... except when i was looking for a fight.
23:31.17bonez45ah... drinking... been a long long time since I had a drink o' ethanol.... I reckon at least 24 years....
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23:39.59harleypighave we found out about plug tonight?
23:40.49TeneSeems like there are enough people interested to have a meeting regardless.
23:41.23harleypigIf not, I'm gonna go grab a movie.
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23:52.23bonez45are any meetings held in Sandy ? I know I went to one at the Philadelphian one time.. several months ago
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