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00:50.59harleypigman, firefox is dying a lot today ... it's a conspiracy!
00:54.32harleypigyikes!  why is firefox taking up 95% of my cpu!!!
01:20.10leviHmm.  Well, my turbocharged Miata is no longer turbocharged. :(
01:26.00Sargun_Screenheya
01:36.16Sargun_Screen1 girl to 24 guys
01:37.01Sargun_ScreenI'm hungry
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02:15.37TeneAre those statements related?
02:15.42TeneAre you going to eat one of us?
02:18.21Sargun_Screenhaha
02:18.35Sargun_ScreenAre any of you tasty?
02:19.17TeneI am!
02:34.09Sargun_ScreenI think Tene is hitting on me
02:34.13Sargun_Screencalls up the FBI.
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03:34.13elgreallly despises ruby gems
03:37.06Sargun_Screenreally despises elg gems
03:46.42eightyeighthttp://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ChristopherBlizzard/~3/382499586/
03:55.32eightyeightanother intersting one: http://ejohn.org/blog/javascript-performance-rundown/
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04:10.21demon_drewlol
04:10.26demon_drewUTAH!
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04:10.40mulletmanUTAHHHHH
04:10.41mulletmanUTAHHHH
04:10.43sarah_is_mehahahahahhahahaha
04:10.47ZimfroiYEAH!!!! UTAH!!!!
04:10.49ZimfroiWHOOOO!!!!!
04:10.51sarah_is_meoh maaaaan.
04:10.57demon_dreww00t
04:10.58mulletmanDuuuuuude.
04:11.04demon_drewlol
04:11.04sarah_is_methis is sooo funny.
04:11.07mulletmanYA
04:11.09sarah_is_melol
04:11.13demon_drewdoes this mean we are all going to get married?
04:11.17mulletmanNO
04:11.20demon_drewdarn
04:11.22sarah_is_mecreeeepy
04:11.31demon_drewlol
04:11.37demon_dreware all of these other people here married?
04:11.41sarah_is_meprobably.
04:11.42ZimfroiDES-ER-ET
04:11.46demon_drewflamebaiting
04:11.49mulletmanWHAY IS NO ONE TALKING?!
04:11.51ZimfroiDES-ER-ET!
04:11.54mulletmanWHAY?
04:11.55demon_drewthey are on mute
04:11.56sarah_is_methey're too busy doing....
04:11.57sarah_is_meoh wait.
04:11.59ZimfroiBecause they hate us.  Obviously.
04:12.01demon_drewlol sarah
04:12.03sarah_is_me;)
04:12.04mulletmanGOSH.
04:12.10sarah_is_mecovers eyes
04:12.22demon_drew?
04:12.29sarah_is_meI don't wanna watch, gosh1
04:12.31mulletmanwonders if Utah is a polygamist nudist colony.
04:12.34sarah_is_mehahahahaha
04:12.36ZimfroiNO.
04:12.37demon_drewlol
04:12.42demon_drewhahahahah
04:12.44ZimfroiUtah has an In-N-Out burger now.
04:12.45mulletmanthinks that would be a terrible plan.
04:12.50ZimfroiMmm.
04:12.51demon_drewhahah
04:12.52sarah_is_melol
04:12.56sarah_is_meif it is nudist....
04:12.58high_rollerwhere is In and out?
04:12.59sarah_is_methen, well, I'm in.
04:13.08demon_drewim out
04:13.12demon_drewno one wants to see me naked
04:13.14sarah_is_melol
04:13.19ZimfroiWashington City.
04:13.20sarah_is_meeveryone wants to see me naked.
04:13.22sarah_is_meI mean......
04:13.23sarah_is_meo.O
04:13.25demon_drewno comment
04:13.27sarah_is_melol
04:13.33high_rollerZimfroi: dangit
04:13.37ZimfroiFar from you?
04:13.38mulletmanhas comments.
04:13.59high_rollerZimfroi: like 5 hours
04:14.15ZimfroiOuch.  I have two less than a mile away each.
04:14.27high_rollerI miss in and our
04:14.33high_rollerused to live in Vegas
04:14.33ZimfroiAnyhow, enjoy Deseret, kids.  
04:14.39mulletmanI hate you, and your in'n'out.
04:14.40mulletmanGosh.
04:14.41ZimfroiVegas.  Hella lame.
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04:14.50sarah_is_melol
04:14.56high_rollerwell yea, Vegas is lame thats why I moved
04:15.00high_rollerdur
04:15.01eightyeightcan we help you?
04:15.05sarah_is_meum, nope....
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04:15.15demon_drewCAN YOU HELP YOURSELVES!
04:15.20demon_drewTHATS THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD BE ASKING!
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04:15.40high_rollercaps lock is cruise control for awesome
04:15.57eightyeightelg: ?
04:15.57mulletmanHELP ME, HELP YOU. HELP ME, HELP YOU.
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04:26.22Sargun_Screenwhoa
04:26.26Sargun_Screenno +v for me?
04:26.41Sargun_Screenwhoa, what the hell just happened
04:26.46elgas you wish
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04:27.24Sargun_Screenheh
04:27.32Sargun_Screenoops.
04:27.38Sargun_Screenwhat just happened?
04:28.02Sargun_Screenthey were from NM...
04:28.48elgone was anyway
04:28.59eightyeight~blame elg
04:29.00ibotACTION blames elg (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
04:29.00elgjust a few trolls looking for a fight
04:29.18elgall they found was eightyeight
04:29.50elgand when it came down to it, all they could do was ask eightyeight if he gets his gas self-serve
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05:47.39RyanEheh.  
05:59.07elgsteer clear!
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14:12.03eightyeighthttp://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2008/qumranet.html
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14:24.22jsmith-busyeightyeight: Nice
15:08.19Jayce^ROFL..  "Sara Palin has cured my electile disfunction."
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15:09.40tristanbob_eightyeight, neat!  open source virtualization is happening hard and fast
15:10.18tristanbob_include VDI, virtual desktop infrastructure
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15:14.55fozzmooJayce^: hee hee.
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15:21.53eightyeightjsmith-busy: yeah. awesome stuff
15:22.09eightyeighttristanbob_: good to see xen go the way of the floppy, and kvm the way of the usb stick. :)
15:23.51tristanbob_eightyeight, I disagree, many companies still promoting xen (sun, citrix, virtualiron, novell)
15:24.00eightyeighti know. it's unfortunate
15:24.18tristanbob_eightyeight, you think xen is inferior, or are you just cheering?
15:24.47tristanbob_btw - I just realized who you are - stop changing nicks man!
15:25.16fozzmootristanbob_: He blogged extensively about the nick change. You should have caught on sooner. ;-)
15:25.36eightyeightno. xen will never be apart of linux. they had that opportuniy, and blew it
15:25.51tristanbob_I didn't catch it - sorry - but still - I will keep this nick for lifetime
15:25.56eightyeighti don't care about sun. they can do what they want. after all, they aren't linux
15:26.14fozzmooeightyeight: YOu make Linux sound like a temple of some kind.
15:26.14tristanbob_eightyeight, I disagree - I used to not like sun, but I like them more and more everyday
15:26.42fozzmooeightyeight: I've always thought of Linux as more of a melting pot.
15:26.44eightyeightfozzmoo: linux has a bright future, and kvm just turned up the wattage
15:26.51fozzmoosnickers
15:27.36fozzmooAre there any commercial support options for KVM yet?
15:27.40eightyeighttristanbob_: to each their own. i find sun wishy-washy. they are pro-linux, then they are backing sco, then they're opening solaris. who knows what their future holds
15:27.52eightyeightfozzmoo: rhel 6, of course, will ship it
15:28.09fozzmooIs that going to be (loosely) based on F9?
15:28.16eightyeightf11, actually
15:28.28fozzmooAhh. So it's gonna be a while.
15:28.32eightyeightnews through the grapevine says late q4 2009 or early q10 release
15:28.40eightyeightjust rumours though
15:29.35eightyeighti've also heard, again rumours, that upstart will be in rhel 6, which may be the reason for the delay, along with kvm
15:29.50eightyeighttake what i say with a grain of salt, though
15:30.27fozzmooupstart is the init replacement?
15:30.38eightyeightyeah
15:31.02eightyeightright now, f9 has it, but it's running in 100% sysv-init backwards compatibility mode
15:31.42eightyeightf10 should start taking advantage of some of the event-driven stuff upstart offers
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15:33.29eightyeighti don't think linux is ready for the desktop, despite the massive efforts of ubuntu, but man, they're solidifying their foot-hold in the server market
15:33.45eightyeightand kvm will give vmware a run for their money
15:35.14fozzmooWe've pretty solidly converted to Xen at KnowledgeBlue.
15:35.22eightyeightjust gets excited about these things
15:35.24fozzmooWe're in the process of eradicating VMWare from the data center.
15:36.08fozzmooWhen KVM is included standard with CentOS, we'll probably evaluate its performance and manageability next to Xen, as I'm sure many other people will as well.
15:36.16eightyeightyeah
15:36.47fozzmooI'm still trying to get used to virtualization in general.
15:36.56fozzmooI'm very much a "throw more hardware at it" kind of guy.
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15:39.12jsmith-busyfozzmoo: KVM *is* included standard with CentOS
15:39.18eightyeightthe thing that gets me excited about kvm, is 1) it can read xen domain configs and 2) it's part of the linux kernel, versus a 2nd os
15:39.22SargunXen is with CentOS
15:39.24Sarguntoo
15:39.25fozzmoojsmith-busy: ?
15:42.27eightyeighta good article on why kvm is the future, not xen: http://blog.codemonkey.ws/2008/05/truth-about-kvm-and-xen.html
15:42.35eightyeightshould uptade his post with that link
15:43.01jsmith-busyfozzmoo: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
15:43.47Sargunheya, person who wanted commercial support
15:43.47Sargunhttp://qumranet.com/products-and-solutions
15:43.54Sargunthat's based off of KVM
15:43.57Sargunsame company
15:44.04fozzmooUHm... this doesn't look production-ready. :)
15:44.12eightyeightit's not there... yet
15:44.14fozzmooMaybe in a few months. :)
15:44.15SargunKVM isn't quite ready.
15:44.17SargunYears.
15:44.19eightyeightalmost, but just missing the mark
15:44.26eightyeighti wouldn't say years
15:44.54eightyeighti bet by the beginning of next year, we'll see something more "enterprise-ready"
15:44.58tristanbob_eightyeight, now that you mention it, Sun has said that while they currently use Xen, they are not committed to always using it
15:45.02fozzmooEONS! ;-)
15:45.08tristanbob_I wonder if that was a reference to a future desire to use KVM
15:45.51eightyeightkvm is gpl, which will prevent it from going into the opensolaris kernel, or any proprietary one
15:46.16Sargunhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/04/1444258 < I've gotten burns from my laptop.
15:46.22SargunI didn't get a recall.
15:46.42Sarguneightyeight, I'm not entirely sure how well KVM would integrate into the kernel of OpenSolaris
15:47.15SargunI think the kernel the kernel modules would have to be (almost) entirely different
15:47.19eightyeightyeah. it's a linux kernel module
15:47.30Sargunbut remember, KVM is dual licensed.
15:48.46eightyeighttrue. i guess it is also lgpl also
15:50.00eightyeighti still think that prevents it from going into the hands of proprietary kernels, though. i could be wrong
15:51.08Sargunhttp://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/04/1359257 <- Who here has worked at a place where IT has been outsourced?
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16:11.33elg~lart firefox
16:11.33ibotacting on orders from an unspecified client drags firefox into court suing for $200 million
16:11.37elg@#$@#%@!
16:11.48elgso I delete some cookies to be sure I'm getting a fresh view
16:11.54elgand then things stop working
16:12.05elgbut I'm too dense to make the temporal connection (in my defense something else broke in the meantime)
16:12.27elgso I spend an hour plus trying to figure out why i can't log in. turns out firefox helpfully disabled cookies for that site when I removed the cookies
16:20.02tristanbob_Sargun, unions are inefficient
16:23.05harleypigUnions are a necessary evil.  As long as there are business people willing to take advantage of workers, unions will be an unfortunate necessity.
16:23.41harleypigBoth unions and businesses need to step back and practice honesty.  Won't happen, though.
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16:29.07Sarguntristanbob, I agree, its a bad idea.
16:29.41tristanbob_harleypig, you could be right - but there needs to be a balance between too much business power vs too much union power
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16:32.24Jayce^Unions should exist as the militia, exercised as needed, laid down to simple practice in other times
16:32.24tristanbob_http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sun-microsystems-unveils-xvm-virtualbox/story.aspx?guid=%7BB1233C0E-111F-4F2D-8C6D-FBB38D5B3C39%7D&dist=hppr
16:32.48tensaitristanbob_: it's a great example of the prisoner's dilemma. each thinks the other will cheat so they have to cheat themselves, thus ensuring that both of them lose.
16:33.40tristanbob_tensai, not the invisible hand theory?  where each person aims for their own benefit and in the end everyone benefits
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17:12.51herlo~lart brasto
17:12.52ibotteaches brasto that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right.
17:13.15Sargun_Screenita a brasto
17:13.19Sargun_Screennana
17:13.48Sargun_ScreenI need my own theme music
17:14.39Sargun_Screenthere was a guy in the whole techno/production scene here
17:14.45Sargun_Screenwhere is he?
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17:59.00Sargun_Screenpeno!
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19:30.55elghttp://foton.fugal.net/foto/3629
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19:32.40tensaielg: my sourdough start is getting slowly more sour as time goes by. very slowly though.
19:32.49elgcool
19:32.56elgyou made it yerself ya?
19:32.59tensaiyes
19:33.05elgcool
19:33.33elgi hear the sour bugs like relatively less hydration
19:33.38elgand cooler temps
19:33.44tensaimade some delicious paninis for my brother and sister today
19:33.47elg(i.e. fridge)
19:33.57tensaimy sister is now very intrigued by sourdough
19:34.20elgI was reading just the other day that as a general rule, there are two kinds of bacteria - those that produce acetic acid and those that produce lactic acid
19:34.20tensaimy start has basically lived its entire life in the fridge, swimming in hooch
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19:34.43elgthe former is more sour, and does better relative to the latter at cooler temperatures (50° being about ideal iirc)
19:35.15elgand better relative to the yeast too. if the yeast goes crazy then you have less time for the bacteria to do their thing. the yeast go more dormant at refrigerator temps
19:35.35elgso instead of starter soup, make like a wet starter dough and keep it in the fridge longer between feedings
19:35.43elgmaybe it'll get sourer faster
19:35.51elgor maybe you don't necessarily want it to get sourer. :)
19:35.53elgsome people don't
19:36.02tensaijust what I was about to say. I like it where it is.
19:36.07elgthis picture finally fits the whole san francisco thing
19:36.13tensaithere's some sour, rustic flavor but not too much
19:36.37elgsan fran is warm in the day (so you get lots of growth and good conditions for making actual bread) but cool at night (in the 50° range)
19:36.58elgideal temps for the sour guys to select in and the whole thing to make good bread (if they were baking every day)
19:37.19tensaiwe're pretty similar, although much more arid. I hear that's why potatoes love this area.
19:37.43tensaiin the summer anyway. the winter is downright bone chilling
19:40.23elgi hear the ol 49ers used to keep their start in little leather pouches around their necks to keep them wram
19:40.26elgwarm even
19:43.24tensaijsmith-busy: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/09/movie_plot_thre_2.html
19:43.43tensaijsmith-busy: this is what I was trying to say the other day when we were conversing about airport security
19:43.57tensaibut of course, bruce does a much better job
19:44.08jsmith-busyOf course...
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20:00.37SargunWhat do you say when your employer wants to send out a beta product to 40,000 throughout the US?
20:05.01elgwhat he asks
20:05.05elgor find a new job?
20:05.16elggive feedback?
20:06.00elgif your question were, what do you say when your employer wants to dump toxins in the back yards of 40,000 baby panda bears, then you might have an interesting quesiton
20:11.06TeneNo, I'd ask where he found that many baby pandas.
20:16.29tensaimaybe he could spare a few for my famous baby panda and baby seal soup
20:17.22mrpulldamn sargun, how many do they expect to sell?
20:20.28elgmostly they're chimpanzees with panda suits
20:27.38Sargunelg, the latest one is an easy on: ask if I can be held l liable.
20:48.48leviGood afternoon.
20:51.43elgweird. this cartalk podcast download is timestamped 7/3/08
20:52.44elgditto this science friday ep
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20:55.57eightyeightChanServ really doesn't need to lurk here. there are over 70 nicks guarding the channel
20:56.27elgand even this npr shuffle episode from yesterday
20:56.33elgwell, it's timestamped 7/8
20:56.35elgbut yeah
20:56.42elgsomething funky at npr
20:56.51elgi guess I'll just work around it in my download script
21:01.20tensaieightyeight: netsplits can be abused. chanserv defends against that sorta trick.
21:22.57leviIRC has traditionally been a warzone for script kiddies.  Fortunately freenode is a lot more tame in that regard.
21:23.27eightyeighttensai: would anyone in this channel 'ride the netsplit'?
21:24.02findlaywell, I'm pretty dangerous
21:24.16eightyeightwe're not talking about aroma
21:24.24eightyeightducks
21:24.50findlayyou use whatever danger you can get your hands on these days
21:25.07findlaywith inflation and all
21:25.26findlayand rogue female vice presidents from Alaska
21:25.41eightyeightsolving 'electile dysfunction'?
21:33.41herlofindlay: femail vice presidential *candidate*...
21:33.49herlos/il/le/
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21:40.49findlayherlo: yeah, I know.  I just said that to get you excited
21:44.43herlofindlay: lol, sure you did
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21:52.29Jayce^blinks... Jimbo!
21:52.31Jayce^wow
21:53.02Jayce^strange seeing you in irc
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22:30.30bonez45anyone here, know how to scan multipage documents using xsane, in gui mode?
22:31.57tensaiyes. step one, kill a grizzly bear. the rest is pretty much downhill.
22:32.07bonez45gotta get something scanned and sent....no XP machine, which would work, but only ubuntu running xsane..
22:32.17bonez45tensai: that's not too encouraging
22:36.09bonez45anyone else? have suggestions on scanning?
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