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| 03:04.03 | Supaplex | okay ipv6 wizards, my router can ping 2001:470:1f04:38b::1, and when stations attempt to ping that address, the ping reply comes back on the tunnel (tcpdump), but the router isn't forwarding it to the lan. What's causing it? |
| 03:23.52 | Sargun | wouldn't this be a better question for ##networking |
| 03:24.19 | Sargun | Supaplex, Linux? |
| 03:24.49 | Sargun | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding |
| 03:24.50 | Sargun | try it |
| 04:08.24 | tristanbob | Google Chrome Browser.... comments? |
| 04:09.45 | tristanbob | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html |
| 04:21.06 | eightyeight | tristanbob: should be interesting. we'll see it tomorrow, apparently |
| 04:21.13 | Sargun | it doesn't look that neat |
| 04:22.15 | eightyeight | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-02-n72.html has screenshots |
| 04:22.32 | eightyeight | Sargun: but it's far more technically advanced than any current oss browser |
| 04:22.52 | Sargun | how do you know that |
| 04:22.56 | Sargun | are you rnning it? |
| 04:23.07 | Sargun | it could be just something cobbled together |
| 04:23.21 | Sargun | eightyeight, There are a lot of things like that at google... |
| 04:23.28 | Sargun | For example: Google Video |
| 04:23.33 | eightyeight | each tab with its own process for one |
| 04:23.37 | Sargun | google answers |
| 04:23.56 | eightyeight | memory reporting for another |
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| 05:12.40 | Supaplex | ~lart ip6tables |
| 05:12.40 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down ip6tables's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 05:16.35 | Sargun | did you check iptables? |
| 05:20.29 | Supaplex | iptables would only affect tunneling protocols on ipv4, which it does not, seeing as how the ping request and replies traverse the tunnel |
| 05:21.23 | Sargun | ip6tables |
| 05:22.34 | Supaplex | ip6tables-save shows one filter table, with accept on all chains |
| 05:27.24 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/hyyoI144.html 0 ip6 packets forwarded out eth0. |
| 05:34.07 | Sargun | can your stations ping the route (and vice-versa) |
| 05:44.41 | Supaplex | no. ip -f inet6 route on one of the stations shows direct via foo is the same on eth0 Scope:Link of the router |
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| 15:41.00 | elg | ~lart redbeard2 |
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| 16:01.51 | elg | one thing i've found amusing the past couple years, being the exec secretary and now eq secretary is ward conference |
| 16:02.44 | elg | there's all this fuss made about it at that level, but to ye normal attendee it's like you show up "oh it's ward conference today. that means they sustain people in sacrament meeting" |
| 16:04.11 | elg | haha I love this. "Please ask the organist to play very quietly prelude music from the hymn book. " |
| 16:04.20 | elg | italics on "very quietly" lost in translation |
| 16:04.34 | elg | i love how people think that playing quieter will make people more reverent |
| 16:04.42 | elg | IME it's just the opposite, to a certain point. |
| 16:04.50 | elg | if you play quiet, nobody thinks twice of talking over you |
| 16:05.36 | elg | if you play loud enough where it takes even just a subconcious effort to talk over the organ, then they're less likely to do it. of course, you can't play too loud and have to choose "soft" stops |
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| 16:10.03 | levi | elg: Church is full of weird quirks like that. |
| 16:10.41 | elg | the gremlin in me debates whether to do what they ask or what they really want |
| 16:10.48 | elg | rather, get the results they really want |
| 16:11.43 | levi | It's possible that the latter could be interpreted by some as 'steadying the ark', too. :P |
| 16:12.30 | elg | heh. well in this case I doubt anyone reading the letter even registered that one sentence about the organ, other than the bishop passing it along to me |
| 16:12.53 | elg | and if I do the latter properly, they won't know the difference. they'll think I *did* do what they asked. that's the sad thing. |
| 16:13.43 | elg | i'm not losing any sleep over it, anywho |
| 16:14.32 | elg | I might use the ward conference fuss as a way to trick myself into practicing a little and preparing some nice postlude. I always mean to do it, but usually have to trick myself into it |
| 16:15.48 | elg | new BYU CS faculty, umass and brown, "He is a member of the multi-university research group, PLT, that produces PLT Scheme and the DrScheme programming environment." |
| 16:15.52 | elg | https://csaa.byu.edu/article/2008-09-02-welcome_jay_mccarthy |
| 16:16.12 | elg | PL guru.. oh no another formal verification type. :) |
| 16:17.23 | elg | speaking of... we were supposed to get a new faculty member this semester. I haven't seen any of the candidates that were interviewed wandering the halls though |
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| 16:26.42 | levi | Cool, now the U and BYU both have PLT guys. |
| 16:27.25 | levi | McCarthy has a very 'Lispy' name, too. :P |
| 16:29.24 | levi | elg: Formal verification ain't all bad. It's pretty useful if it's used via inference to find potential errors. |
| 16:29.48 | levi | I.e. lint-type programs. |
| 16:31.10 | levi | Also very useful to verify security properties of systems. |
| 16:33.51 | elg | i'm not saying it's a waste of time, just that it's about as interesting to me as cardboard is to my taste buds |
| 16:33.57 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:34.29 | levi | PLT Scheme/DrScheme are very interesting to me. |
| 16:35.32 | levi | And I wrote a very simple 'theorem prover' myself (in PLT Scheme!) and enjoyed doing it. It was just a logical resolution engine, but it was cool to see it prove things. |
| 16:36.16 | levi | Anyway, I wonder if this guy will succeed in making CS330 any more interesting to the masses at BYU. |
| 16:36.44 | levi | So, anyone have any thoughts on Google Chrome? |
| 16:41.12 | Jayce^ | yet another thing to debug :) |
| 16:41.30 | Jayce^ | nice to see someone that says they'll mix it up though, we'll see if it really does |
| 16:41.45 | levi | Did you look at the 'comic book' that describes it? |
| 16:42.07 | Jayce^ | have it up, haven't read it yet though |
| 16:42.19 | Jayce^ | too many things to catch up with first |
| 16:47.32 | levi | It's pretty interesting, architecturally. |
| 16:48.02 | levi | Lots of separate processes. |
| 16:53.35 | harleypig | I wonder how it handles with 40-50 tabs ... |
| 16:56.23 | levi | Hard to say. I'm anxious to try a beta version of it, though. |
| 17:05.50 | elg | too bad it's only windows for now |
| 17:06.03 | harleypig | ugh ... I missed that. |
| 17:06.05 | elg | i haven't read much about it, but that it seems to be trying to get better performance on javascript and the like |
| 17:07.16 | levi | It looks like they're aiming at several issues people have with current browsers, and javascript performance is definitely one of them. |
| 17:07.43 | levi | harleypig: They're working on Linux and OS X versions as well. |
| 17:07.56 | levi | And you can't even download a Windows version yet. |
| 17:08.02 | harleypig | oh |
| 17:08.47 | levi | So, it struck me as kind of odd that everyone had flags flying yesterday for Labor Day. |
| 17:08.49 | harleypig | still, all things considered, I still like Google's kool-aid. |
| 17:08.58 | harleypig | levi: why? |
| 17:09.25 | elg | my wife asked me about the history of labor day. I more or less made something up about unions and stuff |
| 17:09.29 | elg | what is the history of it? |
| 17:09.38 | levi | It was indeed created by labor unions. |
| 17:09.46 | elg | i thought I remembered that much |
| 17:11.34 | levi | In a state that abhors everything to do with 'socialism', we fly our flags during a holiday that was basically created by the organizations that socialist ideas brought about. |
| 17:12.55 | levi | Of course, we also love to be patriotic, and it is a federal holiday, which holidays are always great excuses to be patriotic whatever they're really about. |
| 17:14.58 | levi | Anyway, I will happily celebrate the victories that early labor unions won on Labor day, and the dignity of laborers, but it hardly seems like the sort of thing that's currently popular in conservative political circles. |
| 17:22.10 | Sargun_Screen | oh god, this class is going to be miserable |
| 17:23.45 | JoshH | these days, they tell you to just be happy that your job isn't in india, and praise the free market. also, fight against illegals who want to take your job. |
| 17:24.13 | JoshH | my personal experience tells me that the average utah flag flyer isn't much of a history student |
| 17:24.54 | Sargun_Screen | bah. there are a handful of 'preps' |
| 17:25.17 | Sargun_Screen | which want to make me grab a knife |
| 17:26.35 | levi | JoshH: Well, apparently the previous resident of my house paid the Boy Scouts or whoever does it to fly a flag on holidays. We've been waiting for them to come by and ask for money, but so far they haven't. So, we end up with a flag in front of our house every holiday. |
| 17:26.42 | Sargun_Screen | considering its legal to holster a gun on utah campuses. did anyone here opt to? |
| 17:27.23 | JoshH | they collected all the flags from my neighborhood yesterday |
| 17:27.40 | JoshH | but afaik, never asked for any money except the money to pay for the flag |
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| 17:29.58 | levi | Anyway, I'm sure there aren't too many people who really think about Labor Day anymore, but it just struck me as odd. |
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| 17:32.27 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, we missed you at utosc |
| 17:32.55 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: I know a few people who carry on campus. |
| 17:32.55 | TimRiker | yep. had fun on the outer banks though. :) |
| 17:34.15 | harleypig | Reiser got 15-life, with time served |
| 17:34.43 | fozzmoo | I wonder if they'll let him maintain reiserfs from prison. |
| 17:34.57 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:35.23 | harleypig | He's probably going to be busy defending his person ... |
| 17:35.44 | harleypig | or selling it. |
| 17:35.47 | fozzmoo | "Hey guys! New geek on the block!" |
| 17:36.15 | harleypig | cell block! |
| 17:38.33 | Sargun_Screen | wpw the professor is an oddball |
| 17:38.44 | Sargun_Screen | but at least he is a teacher |
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| 17:46.34 | jbellis | is there an easy way to get postfix [on ubuntu] to log why it won't let me login to send mail? |
| 17:47.09 | Sargun_Screen | uhm |
| 17:47.20 | Sargun_Screen | change one of the config files |
| 17:47.26 | Sargun_Screen | :-P |
| 17:47.46 | Sargun_Screen | I think in the master.cf file append -v to smtpd |
| 18:11.11 | harleypig | Hey, google scrubbed their chrome browser sitee! |
| 18:11.17 | harleypig | dweebs |
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| 18:36.59 | harleypig | "What happens in a tab *stays* in a tab!" |
| 18:37.26 | bugQ | yay chrome. |
| 18:42.33 | harleypig | I love the part where they describe telling a website owner to clean up his website. |
| 18:45.58 | levi | http://www.canada.com/theprovince/story.html?id=c12e1890-3b2b-4ca5-add7-001ce38a413b&k=96800 |
| 18:46.35 | levi | Calling for 20 nutmeg nuts instead of 2 pinches of nutmeg is a pretty glaring error. :) |
| 18:56.54 | nick125 | hah, yeah. |
| 18:57.07 | nick125 | Hmm..Chrome looks neat. |
| 18:58.20 | bugQ | is holding out for any other OS |
| 19:01.13 | mrpull | chrome reminds me of AOL's all in one internet app |
| 19:01.27 | mrpull | welcome to the google semi-walled gardgen |
| 19:01.29 | ^Migs^ | awww, my daughter's in kindergarten now. first day. |
| 19:03.31 | Tene | bugQ: beos? |
| 19:03.57 | bugQ | why not? |
| 19:04.19 | Tene | Do you have a beos box? |
| 19:04.52 | bugQ | no, I have qemu. |
| 19:05.37 | Tene | I was just surprised by the "any" |
| 19:06.09 | gabegundy | jbellis: see the big config /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist section DEBUGGING CONTROL |
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| 19:09.54 | elg | wtf. "Start Firefox: The Interactive Web Browser" |
| 19:10.22 | ^Migs^ | I prefer hyperactive web browsers |
| 19:10.39 | elg | i prefer intractive |
| 19:11.29 | bugQ | is surrounded by masochists! |
| 19:13.06 | Sargun | haha |
| 19:21.47 | levi | elg: What's that line from? |
| 19:21.58 | levi | mrpull: What do you mean by 'semi-walled garden'? |
| 19:22.03 | elg | a lab writeup for this class I'm TAing |
| 19:22.18 | mrpull | levi: they'll steer you to as much google content as possible |
| 19:22.29 | mrpull | but then let you to the "internet" if you try hard enough |
| 19:22.44 | mrpull | remember the old AOL that only had AOL content? |
| 19:22.53 | levi | mrpull: I didn't really get that impression from the comic book overview. |
| 19:22.54 | mrpull | then they added the internet |
| 19:23.27 | mrpull | it's not AOL evil, but they certainly pimp their own stuff before they suggest 3rd party stuff. |
| 19:23.30 | levi | mrpull: It certainly looked optimized to run google apps, but those same optimizations would work equally well for any other web apps. |
| 19:24.11 | levi | mrpull: Again, I'm not seeing (aside from mentioning their stuff a lot) how the actual architecture would steer you towards google stuff over 3rd party stuff. |
| 19:24.47 | levi | mrpull: But perhaps I just didn't notice what you did, which is why I'm asking what you meant. |
| 19:24.58 | mrpull | I'm just being cynical |
| 19:26.00 | jbellis | Sargun_Screen: thanks; the -v led to figuring out the problem |
| 19:26.35 | elg | sweet, pioneers (gtk catan game) made it through a game without crashing. it's been awhile (years?) since we tried it last, so somewhere in the meantime it became actually stable |
| 19:27.30 | levi | Heh, nice. |
| 19:27.46 | levi | Formerly known as gnocatan, or a different one? |
| 19:28.23 | Sargun | jbellis, No problem. |
| 19:29.17 | elg | the same |
| 19:35.01 | Sargun | Was 99% of the flash code outsourced to estonia? |
| 19:49.51 | ^Migs^ | Google Chrome is pretty sweet |
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| 19:50.17 | Jayce^ | waits for a version for one of his os's |
| 19:50.35 | levi | Oh, hey, you can download it now. |
| 19:51.22 | levi | Apparently I have more OSes than Jayce^. |
| 19:52.55 | Jayce^ | levi :) big surprise |
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| 20:01.33 | levi | My first impression of Chrome is pretty positive. |
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| 20:07.17 | mrpull | the multithreading of javascript and friends is a huge WIN |
| 20:09.29 | elg | haha. this is classic. |
| 20:09.38 | elg | "If you wish to contact me by email, use your CS email account |
| 20:09.38 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.38 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.39 | elg | " |
| 20:15.22 | elg | levi: windows-only for now? |
| 20:16.45 | levi | elg: Yeah, though they are actively working on OS X and Linux versions, AFAIK. |
| 20:16.51 | levi | Hmm, this is very interesting. |
| 20:16.59 | elg | that's what they said |
| 20:17.23 | levi | Dave Griswold just posted to the Strongtalk-general list explaining why he hasn't been pushing open source Strongtalk development as much lately. |
| 20:17.56 | levi | And it's because of... the Chrome V8 JS engine, which has multiple members of the original Strongtalk/Self team. |
| 20:18.51 | bugQ | oo. |
| 20:19.01 | bugQ | (pun intended) |
| 20:20.48 | levi | Certainly lends some credibility to the engine. |
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| 20:27.11 | levi | Hmm, apparently new tabs aren't always separate processes. |
| 20:27.31 | levi | I had a couple of tabs grouped in the same process. Not sure how it decided to do that. |
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| 20:28.15 | bugQ | no javascript? |
| 20:29.48 | levi | bugQ: I'm not sure what you're asking. |
| 20:30.03 | bugQ | do the pages contains scripts? |
| 20:30.07 | bugQ | -s |
| 20:30.46 | bugQ | just a guess. |
| 20:30.54 | levi | I think so. |
| 20:31.18 | levi | It seems to be that if a page opens up a new page, they stay in the same process. |
| 20:31.46 | bugQ | ah right, they might need to look at each other |
| 20:32.10 | bugQ | anyway, must go. |
| 20:32.13 | fugue88 | levi, maybe something to do with sandboxing? |
| 20:55.32 | sjansen | fozzmoo: VPILF? I'm afraid to ask... |
| 20:56.41 | mrpull | she soon could be a GILF too. |
| 20:56.41 | fozzmoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF |
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| 20:58.38 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 20:58.41 | fozzmoo | Looks like Wiktionary has proper pronunciation guidelines. :) |
| 21:00.35 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, VPILF, you've got something for Biden? :) |
| 21:01.04 | fozzmoo | No, but it seems Biden's got something for everyone else. |
| 21:01.28 | fozzmoo | Last week or so, he can't talk about a woman without commenting on her looks. |
| 21:01.46 | fozzmoo | He needs to get out of congress more often... |
| 21:01.54 | fozzmoo | They've had him locked up in there for, what? 30years? |
| 21:02.00 | fozzmoo | He's been in there longer than McCain! |
| 21:02.06 | fozzmoo | He needs to get out and get laid. |
| 21:02.11 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 21:03.10 | levi | I dunno, if that was his wife standing next to him at the last night of the DNC, I thought she looked pretty good. |
| 21:06.04 | fozzmoo | She's got a doctorate... which is a problem, apparently. |
| 21:06.23 | levi | Why's that a problem? |
| 21:06.27 | fozzmoo | I have no idea. |
| 21:06.37 | levi | Does it make her an elitist or something? |
| 21:06.58 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YX2FczojUc |
| 21:07.04 | levi | Politics ends up being so disgusting. |
| 21:08.12 | levi | Oh, heh, it was a joke. |
| 21:15.44 | fozzmoo | As is Obama's campaign platform. |
| 21:15.54 | fozzmoo | ducks |
| 21:22.30 | levi | Ha ha. |
| 21:27.12 | ^Migs^ | LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Don LaFontaine, the man who popularized the catch phrase ''In a world where...'' and lent his voice to thousands of movie trailers, has died. He was 68. |
| 21:27.58 | harleypig | I'm curious as to how one can die from complications to a collapsed lung ... |
| 21:28.19 | harleypig | I mean ... if both collapsed and you didn't get help before you suffocated, sure ... but he was in the hospital ... |
| 21:29.25 | herlo | harleypig: do you have the SI 258 room managers paper from Saturday? I can't seem to find it... |
| 21:29.44 | eggyknap | ate it. |
| 21:29.48 | harleypig | I don't ... I left everything on the table. |
| 21:29.48 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:29.57 | elg | complications generally means stuff like infections or other such things that can be nasty and aren't really part of the original injury but came about because of it |
| 21:30.06 | herlo | okay, its disappeared, maybe one of the other staff members grabbed them |
| 21:30.09 | harleypig | Little blue thing. |
| 21:30.20 | mrpull | ok... where is the setting to make Chrome match my other windows? |
| 21:30.25 | elg | i just read the chrome comic. sounds pretty exciting |
| 21:30.52 | levi | So, lung collapses, they do something to restore it, and an infection results, gets out of control, death ensues. |
| 21:31.28 | levi | mrpull: It won't match your other windows. But, try maximizing it with a few tabs open. |
| 21:32.01 | harleypig | I guess that makes sense. |
| 21:32.04 | elg | in fact I think I may fire up NX and VMware just to check it out. |
| 21:32.14 | elg | if it'll run in w2k :) |
| 21:32.19 | harleypig | Kind of scary though ... go in for a simple health issue, come out dead. |
| 21:32.28 | elg | yeah |
| 21:32.30 | elg | happens sometimes |
| 21:32.38 | mrpull | (I jokingly gripe about Chrome forcing me to only use google products when in reality 90% of my browsing is gmail and greader) |
| 21:32.57 | elg | sometimes even simpler things than a collapsed lung |
| 21:32.58 | mrpull | but can't this darn thing be grey or black or something less girly? |
| 21:33.04 | elg | though i'm sure it's quite rare |
| 21:36.13 | levi | mrpull: It's blue, for goodness sake. Can you think of a color that's more traditionally male-associated? |
| 21:36.38 | levi | mrpull: Just be glad it's not pink! ;) |
| 21:36.39 | mrpull | levi: but it's a baby blue |
| 21:37.22 | mrpull | they install the app in an odd place |
| 21:37.53 | levi | Man, is CF Flasher ever going to finish programming this chip?! |
| 21:39.47 | levi | Wow, eating a leaf of this home-grown lettuce by itself was a mistake. |
| 21:41.14 | levi | Adds a nice bit of flavor to my sandwich, though. |
| 21:41.27 | levi | home-grown heirloom tomatoes FTW, though. |
| 21:46.21 | elg | too spicy? |
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| 21:54.36 | levi | elg: Yeah, spicy/bitter. |
| 21:54.43 | levi | I have no idea what kind of lettuce it is. |
| 21:55.50 | levi | Heh, you learn something every day. |
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| 21:56.31 | levi | Lettuce contains Lactucarium, a mild opiate-like substance. Roman and Egyptians took advantage of this property by eating lettuce at the end of a meal to induce sleep. |
| 21:59.14 | mrpull | will chrome have an adblock extension? |
| 21:59.24 | levi | I dunno. |
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| 22:00.38 | levi | It's open source and has a plugin architecture, so I would assume that it will eventually get one. |
| 22:02.13 | mrpull | good point |
| 22:18.49 | elg | at least your ads will run faster |
| 23:08.28 | harleypig | Hey! How come sontek's been banned from last.fm? |
| 23:08.42 | synic | ? |
| 23:08.53 | harleypig | woops ... not sontek ... fragile_nine. |
| 23:08.54 | harleypig | nm |
| 23:09.02 | harleypig | looked at the wrong tab. |
| 23:09.21 | harleypig | don't even know who fragile_nine is/was and why they're a friend ... |
| 23:30.38 | levi | harleypig: Probably banned for friend-spamming or something. |
| 23:30.54 | harleypig | oh |
| 23:31.24 | levi | (guess off the top of my head, no real knowledge of the situation) |
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| 23:59.35 | harleypig | wow ... this song really brings Unreal Tournament to the fore ... if I close my eyes I can clearly see Facing Towers (or whatever it was called) |