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| 04:50.22 | levi | Obama gave a great acceptance speech at the end of the DNC. |
| 04:51.11 | Sargun | Yes, I agree |
| 04:56.30 | fozzmoo | Of course he did. |
| 04:56.38 | fozzmoo | But did he actually SAY anything? |
| 04:58.11 | fozzmoo | Or was it more of "give me your dreams, your hopes, your change and I'll lead you into a new life of hope, change, free-everything paid for by the obscene profits taken by the government from Big Oil!" |
| 04:58.40 | Sargun | It surprisingly had some amount of policy-content. |
| 04:58.50 | Sargun | fozzmoo, you a McCain backer |
| 04:59.00 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 04:59.06 | Sargun | ? |
| 04:59.07 | fozzmoo | Not really. |
| 04:59.11 | Sargun | harleypig, the marines weren't charged |
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| 05:50.31 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 05:50.46 | Supaplex | -say foo |
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| 05:52.30 | mrpull-x | i heard the tail end of the Obama speech on the way home from UTOSC. He did hit it out of the park. |
| 05:53.46 | fozzmoo | What? It's surprising that he's got game as a public speaker? |
| 05:54.34 | mrpull-x | no, it was surprising that he could say several things i don't agree with and still convince me that everything will be ok when he's elected |
| 05:54.39 | fozzmoo | The guy should be running as the next Tony Robbins, not the next president. |
| 05:54.44 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 05:54.59 | Tene | Who's Tony Robbins? |
| 05:55.26 | mrpull-x | Tene: he is famous for having big hands (oh and being the worlds biggest motivational speaker) |
| 05:56.15 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 05:56.27 | mrpull-x | Tene: if you saw Shallow Hal (i'm sorry if you did) he was the actor who hypnotized jack black. |
| 05:56.27 | fozzmoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins |
| 05:56.52 | fozzmoo | Tene: No UTOSC attendee, you? |
| 05:57.10 | mrpull-x | look at those hands! |
| 05:57.13 | mrpull-x | they are huge |
| 05:57.20 | mrpull-x | even the wikipedia article mentions them |
| 05:57.36 | Tene | fozzmoo: I'm still in St. Louis. |
| 05:57.44 | Tene | mrpull-x: I didn't. |
| 05:57.44 | fozzmoo | Oh. I didn't know that. |
| 05:57.58 | Tene | fozzmoo: my flight lands at 8:00 tomorrow night |
| 05:58.00 | fozzmoo | Tene: I thought/hoped you'd be in town. |
| 05:58.28 | fozzmoo | GL should just shut the company down the week of UTOSC if you ask me. |
| 05:58.49 | Tene | Heh. |
| 05:59.02 | Tene | utosc goes through the weekend, right? |
| 05:59.02 | Sargun | who owns GuruLabs? |
| 05:59.04 | mrpull-x | i'm surprised they don't. is stuart out on the road too? I expected to see him today. |
| 05:59.12 | Tene | Bryan Croft and Dax Kelson |
| 05:59.18 | Tene | Yeah, he's on the road. |
| 05:59.42 | Tene | So are Christer and Aaron, a tleast |
| 06:00.06 | Tene | sinuhe |
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| 06:06.31 | fozzmoo | Tene: yeah. UTOSC goes through til Saturday afternoon. |
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| 06:42.50 | Supaplex | calls it a night zzZZZzzz |
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| 15:52.40 | harleypig | is being impersonated by eggyknap, because he left himself logged in. :) |
| 15:53.54 | goozbach | always lock your screen! |
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| 15:54.02 | goozbach | or take your laptop with you |
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| 15:55.49 | Sargun | hehe |
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| 16:12.54 | Sargun | Wow, we received this message from our (Chinese) contractors: "We do use binary. It is just base-64." |
| 16:20.05 | elg | levi: know any good papers on java vs .net or jvm vs clr? |
| 16:20.16 | elg | or i should say, any good academic papers on .net in any form |
| 16:25.11 | eightyeight | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080727 |
| 16:25.45 | eggyknap_ | elg: a few weeks ago we chatted about building a MIDI interface into an existing organ console. FWIW, my parts arrived yesterday :) |
| 16:26.05 | eggyknap_ | (microcontrollers, multiplexers, resonators, etc.) |
| 16:26.08 | elg | suhweet |
| 16:26.15 | elg | you have to keep me posted |
| 16:26.19 | elg | i want a play-by-play |
| 16:26.21 | eggyknap_ | was really excited... but has been too tired to play w/ 'em |
| 16:26.29 | eggyknap_ | I plan to take pictures and come up with an instructable or some such. |
| 16:26.58 | eggyknap_ | Note that the binary decoder thingy you wanted to be able to control hundreds of switches with just a few pins -- you need a multiplexer chip. That's exactly what they're for. |
| 16:27.23 | eggyknap_ | I'll be using a couple of 1:16 muxes, to handle 256 keys/pedals/controls |
| 16:27.52 | eggyknap_ | I voted to start with a bare MCU, rather than going w/ arduino... just 'cuz it sounded fun. |
| 16:28.04 | elg | whatever blows your pipe |
| 16:28.12 | eggyknap_ | lol |
| 16:28.36 | elg | tell me more about this mux chip |
| 16:29.56 | eggyknap_ | It has one input, 16 outputs, four inputs for a selector, and V+, GND, etc. You apply an input and four bits to select one of the 16 outputs. |
| 16:30.13 | eggyknap_ | It also works in reverse (e.g. apply 16 inputs, use the four selectors to choose one, and it comes out the output) |
| 16:30.51 | eggyknap_ | They're analog, so you can use them for things like swell pedals as well as on/off switches inside keys, they don't need a clock input... |
| 16:31.17 | eggyknap_ | You can get 'em in 2, 4, 8, and 16 channels -- they prolly make 'em with more channels, but I've not seen them. |
| 16:32.07 | eggyknap_ | So with two N-channel muxes, you can scan N^2 keys with 2*log2(N) pins on the microcontroller |
| 16:32.25 | fozzmoo | I want to run my sprinklers. |
| 16:32.41 | fozzmoo | w/ cron jobs. |
| 16:32.48 | eggyknap_ | fozzmoo: make sure to add relays and prolly an optoisolator :) |
| 16:33.55 | eggyknap_ | elg: see, for instance, http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=HI3-0506-5-ND |
| 16:34.03 | eggyknap_ | Intersil sent me two 8 channel muxes for free. |
| 16:34.07 | eggyknap_ | (w00t) |
| 16:34.29 | elg | nice |
| 16:38.03 | peno | free hardware is always nice |
| 16:39.17 | Sargun | Yes, yes it is. |
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| 16:59.23 | levi | eggyknap_: What microcontroller are you using? |
| 16:59.42 | levi | eggyknap_: I did a bunch of hardware searching for this project when elg first brought it up. |
| 17:00.38 | eggyknap_ | atmega168s... just because it's an atmel programmer I've got |
| 17:00.59 | levi | How many GPIO pins? |
| 17:01.07 | eggyknap_ | Provided it's decently quick, I've not come up with any particularly intense requirements. |
| 17:01.15 | eggyknap_ | I'm not sure, actually. I knew once :) |
| 17:01.24 | eggyknap_ | More than I need, if I hook up a mux or two. |
| 17:02.03 | eggyknap_ | I'm considering including a small LCD off of a second MCU, and use I2C or something to get the two MCUs talking, but that might be more intense than I want to do for a first-timer like me. |
| 17:02.12 | levi | Well, I'm interested in your schematic design for it. |
| 17:02.24 | levi | Maybe at the block diagram level. |
| 17:02.29 | eggyknap_ | Provided I find something that works, I'll include it in resulting documentation :) |
| 17:03.04 | eggyknap_ | Basically an MCU using muxes to scan a couple hundred switches, and that's about it. I'll use serial for the computer interface. |
| 17:03.16 | eggyknap_ | ...and a fair bit of code on the computer side. |
| 17:05.07 | levi | That's more or less what I'd come up with as a design, IIRC, but it's been a while. |
| 17:05.33 | elg | eggyknap_: not going to do MIDI on the chip then? |
| 17:05.46 | goozbach | has wanted for a long time to build a DMX controled lighted bookshelf/display case |
| 17:05.52 | eggyknap_ | I'm considering wiring in a bunch of random controls with scriptable MIDI-related uses, if I have pins for it. |
| 17:06.12 | eggyknap_ | elg: I might... but I want to have the results really customizable via an interface somewhere. |
| 17:06.32 | eggyknap_ | I've even considered embedding Perl or Python or something on the driver |
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| 17:14.55 | elg | that's one thing that draws me to the arduino - lots of software control, reprogrammable easily, but self-contained |
| 17:42.33 | Tene | I'm trying to decide if I want to start with the arduino or with PICs. |
| 17:43.28 | eggyknap_ | ladyada has a page talking about the choice b/t Atmel vs. Microchip |
| 17:43.38 | Tene | Hmm. I'll look. |
| 17:44.34 | Tene | http://www.ladyada.net/library/picvsavr.html |
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| 18:07.18 | bonez45 | how can I update my printer settings.. in sarge.. I had a printer set up.. ended up having to do some repairs. didn't change the cabling or anything, but now, if I route something to printer, using enscript, or even from any linux app running on the box, the print jobs go to another printer.. I think I need to clear it all out and set up the print again, but it's been working a long time and I have forgotten how |
| 18:07.58 | Tene | http://localhost:631/ |
| 18:08.06 | Tene | there's the web interface |
| 18:08.41 | bonez45 | ah, thanks |
| 18:14.30 | Tene | np |
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| 19:20.31 | Sargun_screen | emcnabb: Do you know when a fix is coming for :http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/08/29/1423201.shtml |
| 19:20.44 | Sargun_screen | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/08/29/1423201.shtml |
| 19:20.50 | Sargun_screen | is experiencing this |
| 19:20.53 | Sargun_screen | @ work |
| 19:20.54 | Sargun_screen | :-( |
| 19:20.56 | Sargun_screen | cries |
| 19:22.01 | emcnabb | Sargun_screen, contact your designated Red Hat support representative |
| 19:24.11 | Sargun_screen | Bah, that would mean I actually have to look at our RHN console. |
| 19:25.09 | Sargun_screen | That's one thing I like about RH boxes. |
| 19:25.24 | Sargun_screen | you don't touch them, and they (usually) continue to run |
| 19:26.29 | Sargun_screen | You don't touch them |
| 19:26.55 | nick125 | Sargun_screen: Recompile perl from scratch? |
| 19:28.38 | Sargun_screen | Can't |
| 19:28.55 | Sargun_screen | engineering insists that we run official RH packages or they don't support us. |
| 19:29.23 | Sargun_screen | and considering how optimal & reliable their application is, we'll never need support from them once we upgrade to a unofficial perl :-P |
| 19:29.43 | nick125 | Sargun_screen: Tell them either to accept a recompiled Perl or live with their app running slower than hell. |
| 19:30.06 | Sargun_screen | They got one guy rewriting the entire thing in Python/C/Lisp (Lisp was his own idea, I hate him for that) |
| 19:31.07 | levi | Why is he rewriting it in Python, C, *and* Lisp? |
| 19:31.10 | Sargun_screen | One of the programmers on the project was a funge hacker |
| 19:31.38 | Sargun_screen | levi: he is writing most of the stuff in Python, because its nice and easy to develop with |
| 19:31.49 | Sargun_screen | Certain operations need to be fast |
| 19:31.58 | Sargun_screen | and he's a nutcase Lisp programmer |
| 19:32.13 | Sargun_screen | so he writes some of it in Lisp if its application specific |
| 19:32.24 | Sargun_screen | but if the function have to be portable he'll write in C |
| 19:33.14 | Sargun_screen | typing over EVDO murders my grammer. |
| 19:33.17 | Sargun_screen | grammar. |
| 19:33.22 | levi | Why do you hate him for using Lisp? Because you're a nutcase non-Lisp programmer? |
| 19:33.26 | Sargun_screen | and spelling. |
| 19:33.48 | Sargun_screen | because replacing a Lisp programmer is difficult. |
| 19:33.57 | Sargun_screen | It gives him job security |
| 19:34.11 | Sargun_screen | Too much IMHO. |
| 19:35.30 | nick125 | Sargun_screen: Supposely, that Perl bug was fixed in Fedora...so you might be able to poke RH for an update |
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| 19:36.08 | Sargun_screen | nick125: there is apparently an RPM which has the fix in it. |
| 19:36.17 | levi | Sargun_screen: That's a business decision to be made by someone in charge, who is hopefully not you. |
| 19:36.19 | Sargun_screen | I think EPEL might have the fix in it. |
| 19:36.56 | Sargun_screen | levi: Do you think writing unmaintainable code which is _Critical_ to the content team is a good idea? |
| 19:37.02 | nick125 | It's really sad that an "Enterprise" Linux distribution takes 2 years to fix a Perl bug. |
| 19:37.47 | Sargun_screen | HAha |
| 19:38.14 | levi | Sargun_screen: It's not unmaintainable if they've got someone to maintain it. Anyway, I am not that guy's boss, so I don't really know. |
| 19:39.48 | Sargun_screen | the last guy on this project left |
| 19:39.58 | Sargun_screen | leaving a few thousand lines of perl ocde |
| 19:39.59 | Sargun_screen | code |
| 19:40.07 | Sargun_screen | a few hundred thousand |
| 19:55.46 | levi | Well, if they weren't even going to try to maintain perl code, why would they make maintenance a priority this time around? :P |
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| 20:10.24 | emcnabb | Sargun_screen, contact RH support |
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| 20:20.10 | nick125 | mmh |
| 20:20.26 | nick125 | I need to retweak SpamAssassin...it seems to be missing A LOT of spam. |
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| 21:29.54 | ^Migs^ | I wish my mom would quit spamming me her so-called "funny" emails |
| 21:31.03 | Tene | spam her back with dead baby jokes and goatse |
| 21:32.26 | nick125 | That'll get her to stop! |
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