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| 02:01.52 | Supaplex | dilvie: yo :) |
| 02:03.02 | dilvie | supa |
| 02:05.26 | Sargun | Supaplex, Where do you work in the Jtac btw |
| 02:05.48 | Supaplex | IPG (M/T/J) |
| 02:06.34 | Supaplex | we might be hiring a few more people soon. I'm not sure when they'll start training. |
| 02:06.59 | Sargun | Working in tech support must suck. |
| 02:08.05 | Sargun | you can frantic callers saying "my network is down! my network is down! fix it you dolt!" |
| 02:08.09 | Supaplex | most of our support is email based |
| 02:08.35 | Supaplex | I don't have to support priority one calls. those go to ATAC |
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| 02:09.54 | Sargun | Is Juniper all Ethernet IP? |
| 02:09.57 | Sargun | Is Juniper all Ethernet & IP? |
| 02:10.18 | Sargun | well, all IP |
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| 02:12.31 | Supaplex | ipv4, ipv6, mpls, iso (for is-is), rsvp, and some others. |
| 02:13.45 | Sargun | Well, Those are all IP related services |
| 02:14.01 | Sargun | how many people still use IS-IS? |
| 02:15.53 | Supaplex | enough to warrant its use in all the JNCIA JNCIS JNCIP and JNCIE certifications |
| 02:16.17 | Sargun | Yes, and certifications are SO REALISTIC! |
| 02:16.18 | Supaplex | I think most longer term established providers are using it |
| 02:16.37 | Sargun | I know a lot of ancient (T) carriers are using it |
| 02:16.56 | Sargun | I know Google apparently has their own IGP |
| 02:17.07 | Sargun | and EGP between facilities |
| 02:17.31 | Supaplex | I have a few different configs of theirs. |
| 02:17.46 | Supaplex | it's not unheard of them to aggregate 10gbit links |
| 02:18.14 | Sargun | A lot of people aggregate 10 gbit links |
| 02:19.24 | Sargun | I mean, 10 gbit is just not enough anymore |
| 02:20.50 | Sargun | 40 gbit ethernet doesn't work |
| 02:20.52 | Sargun | for production |
| 02:21.49 | Sargun | Supaplex, Google doesn't have a source license? |
| 02:22.27 | Supaplex | huh? |
| 02:22.41 | Supaplex | as in license to junos source? |
| 02:22.44 | Sargun | Yeah.... |
| 02:23.15 | Supaplex | sounds like something engineering would know |
| 02:23.25 | Sargun | I would assume they do |
| 02:23.46 | Sargun | I mean most big companies that do business with JNPR get source licenses. |
| 02:24.49 | Sargun | Then again that stuff is pretty tight :-( |
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| 02:54.37 | fozzmoo | http://blog.utos.org/2008/08/25/two-more-local-keynotes-you-dont-want-to-miss/ |
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| 04:03.46 | Sargun_screen | heya |
| 04:03.50 | elg | Tene: got it. |
| 04:03.50 | elg | http://pastie.org/259983 |
| 04:04.18 | elg | $gdc "$@" 2> >(grep -v "$msg" 1>&2) |
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| 04:35.45 | levi | Whee, my server is finally liberated from the VM on the Windows box. |
| 04:36.57 | levi | And it's on a dual-proc 2.2Ghz Xeon box w/4G of RAM. Which, while not a speed demon by today's standards, is still pretty nice. |
| 04:41.01 | Supaplex | nommy |
| 04:50.24 | levi | Time to engage in a massive hd cleanup so I can do an upgrade. |
| 04:50.32 | levi | Way too many packages. |
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| 04:56.23 | Supaplex | ~lart levi's excessive packages with excessive force |
| 04:56.23 | ibot | holds levi's excessive packages with excessive force to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 04:56.57 | levi | I'm freeing up almost a gig by uninstalling the X libraries and dependencies. :) |
| 04:57.34 | levi | The things that depend on it, I mean. |
| 04:57.38 | Supaplex | what'cha upgrading? |
| 04:58.25 | levi | Everything. It's an ancient Debian box that needs to be brought into the present. |
| 04:58.42 | Supaplex | ouu fun. |
| 04:59.06 | levi | Well, you pretty much just do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and wait a while. |
| 05:00.09 | Supaplex | *nod* that's how my debian boxes work too. |
| 05:00.46 | Supaplex | hugs http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian |
| 05:02.26 | levi | I love it too, especially since they're my ISP. |
| 05:02.46 | Supaplex | yuppers |
| 05:03.22 | levi | My DSL may not be blazin' fast, but it's reliable and XMission is great. |
| 05:05.13 | Supaplex | hopefully mine is again. we'll say the circuit provider, found plenty of blow lightning arrestors on my line. some in the dmark, others down the street, and to top it off, some other parts of the dmark were toast too. no I don't suffer 40db loss. :) |
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| 05:16.07 | mrpull-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.11 | zjf | I'm midorikawa post random airport connection drop |
| 05:17.31 | Supaplex | haha :) |
| 05:17.39 | Sargun | Supaplex, you run Olive at home? |
| 05:18.02 | Supaplex | not until I get the cables to my cisco 2511 |
| 05:19.23 | Sargun | Are they giving you a free M-series? |
| 05:20.46 | Supaplex | hah. as if |
| 05:22.25 | Supaplex | zjf: doesn't freenode services fix part of that problem? |
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| 05:23.12 | Supaplex | dilvie: yo :) |
| 05:23.25 | zjf | not if my airport wireless decides it doesn't wanna stay connected |
| 05:23.27 | dilvie | hi |
| 05:27.32 | Sargun | Supaplex, I mean, well, an M-series is basically a super beefy chassis & FEA |
| 05:27.42 | Sargun | and FIB |
| 05:27.53 | Sargun | (bundled with FEA) |
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| 13:51.53 | elg | -chat now i |
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| 14:31.16 | tensai | ~smash elg |
| 14:31.17 | ibot | ACTION flings an anvil in elg's general direction |
| 14:32.51 | jsmith | tensai: What, you taking out your frustrations on elg again? Rellenos not turn out well? |
| 14:34.14 | tensai | jsmith: nah. he was just standing there. |
| 14:35.31 | jsmith | tensai: How did you know he was standing? |
| 14:37.41 | tensai | a little birdie told me |
| 14:43.22 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 14:43.22 | ibot | gives tensai an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending tensai to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 14:43.34 | tensai | *yawn* |
| 14:52.15 | Sargun_screen | heya |
| 14:52.32 | Sargun_screen | This hack has been known for years: |
| 14:52.33 | Sargun_screen | http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/08/26/1335257.shtml |
| 14:52.46 | Sargun_screen | The entire toll system has been contracted |
| 14:53.05 | Sargun_screen | so CA government had another 3rd party contractor go ahead and write an auditing system |
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| 15:34.12 | lakshmi | hi Sargun_screen |
| 15:34.16 | lakshmi | sup? |
| 15:34.21 | lakshmi | im alive! |
| 15:34.27 | lakshmi | can you believe that?@ |
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| 16:11.59 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:12.29 | levi | Truly, the TSA has gone too far this time: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/25/BA2812HVK3.DTL&tsp=1 |
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| 16:21.03 | maquis | levi: go read Little Brother |
| 16:21.29 | harleypig | Even without reading the link, I can tell you they are *way* past "this time". |
| 16:22.16 | harleypig | I ran across a blog called "Orwell Was An Optimist" ... |
| 16:23.14 | levi | I posted the link because it's kind of funny, in a sad way. |
| 16:23.26 | tensai | it surprises me the extremes of logic that people contort their minds to in order to believe the emporer has clothes, despite how many people are declaring otherwise |
| 16:23.34 | levi | The TSA is now finds large-breasted women to be a security threat. |
| 16:23.55 | elg | must ... not ... make ... joke ... |
| 16:24.03 | elg | "This is bigger than just me" |
| 16:24.26 | levi | I thought the TSA went over the line a LONG time ago. |
| 16:24.30 | tensai | if she's not a terrorist, she should have nothing to hide |
| 16:25.00 | elg | not hiding it might be terrorist |
| 16:25.15 | levi | The TSA guy was so eager to fondle her that it didn't even occur to him that taking the bra off might be a reasonable alternative. |
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| 16:44.05 | RyanE | levi: I don't think the supervisor was suggesting that *he* had to do the pat-down. |
| 16:44.45 | RyanE | and I'm not saying they're not over the line, but I don't necessarily assume the TSA guy was 'eager to fondle'... |
| 16:46.53 | Sargun | Wasn't there some study about Nazis related to that |
| 16:48.03 | mocoloco | It's not just what they do, but the attitude with which they do it. As TFA states, they treat everyone like they're a criminal hiding something |
| 17:05.06 | harleypig | Cows align north south ... wondering if they all align the same way or if its a random polarity ... |
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| 17:12.30 | Shadowwire | lart ibot |
| 17:13.18 | Shadowwire | lart anyone |
| 17:15.20 | Shadowwire | ? lart |
| 17:15.25 | Shadowwire | "lart" |
| 17:23.13 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 17:23.57 | fozzmoo | Anyone know how to log stuff done via SFTP w/ OpenSSH? Like a xferlog? |
| 17:25.40 | fozzmoo | OooOOOoooo. |
| 17:25.50 | fozzmoo | 'man sftp-server' looks like it has the answer. |
| 17:26.31 | elg | woman sftp-server |
| 17:26.48 | RyanE | elg: now you're just askin' for trouble. |
| 17:28.19 | mocoloco | I wonder if femmenists alias "woman" to "man" ? |
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| 17:37.08 | harleypig | mocoloco: I doubt it ... they'd probably just rename man to woman and alias man to woman. |
| 17:37.40 | bonez46 | any one here use LG's new vu cu 920? iphone? LG Dare? |
| 17:38.50 | elg | nah, they'd mv man woman; ln -s /dev/null man |
| 17:39.02 | goozbach | harleypig: your twitter profile picture is disturbing |
| 17:39.11 | elg | even better, ln -s yes man |
| 17:39.42 | elg | link for the untwitterpated? |
| 17:40.28 | harleypig | goozbach: :] I don't understand ... Sid Haig is ... cool! |
| 17:40.41 | goozbach | http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/58475399/Firefox_wallpaper_bigger.png |
| 17:41.05 | goozbach | you have odd heros |
| 17:41.24 | harleypig | He's not my hero ... I just like the effect he has on people. :> |
| 17:41.44 | harleypig | Rob Zombie ... now *there's* someone to idolize! |
| 17:41.50 | harleypig | ducks the lightning. |
| 17:43.46 | goozbach | here I was thinking that it might be you in cosdtume |
| 17:44.20 | goozbach | s/cosdume/costume/ |
| 17:44.24 | goozbach | bah |
| 17:44.49 | harleypig | heh ... I'm trying to figure out how to do something similar for Halloween. |
| 17:44.58 | harleypig | Here's where I got the original pic: http://www.robzombiemovies.com/sid-haig/ |
| 17:45.56 | harleypig | I wanted to use this one http://wearemoviegeeks.com/2008/05/interview-sid-haig/ |
| 17:46.07 | harleypig | but figure the size would prevent the blood from showing up well. |
| 17:46.56 | harleypig | s/figure/figured/ |
| 17:47.06 | harleypig | hey! where's ibot? |
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| 17:56.59 | harleypig | any javascript gurus here? |
| 17:57.05 | harleypig | or even javascript experts? |
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| 18:01.44 | Supaplex | dilvie is. |
| 18:01.51 | Supaplex | oh wait, he's gone. :P |
| 18:02.32 | goozbach | ibot: where are you? |
| 18:02.33 | ibot | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 18:02.43 | goozbach | harleypig: ^^^ there you go |
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| 18:03.59 | goozbach | amhurst mass? |
| 18:05.57 | harleypig | goozbach: cool |
| 18:06.11 | goozbach | ibot: where are you? |
| 18:06.11 | ibot | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 18:06.14 | harleypig | ibot: where is goozbach |
| 18:06.15 | ibot | somebody said goozbach was a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 18:06.23 | harleypig | retarted?! |
| 18:06.30 | goozbach | yes retarted |
| 18:06.35 | harleypig | what, you lose your tartness and had to have it replaced? |
| 18:06.45 | goozbach | something like that |
| 18:06.49 | harleypig | heh |
| 18:07.17 | goozbach | but it wasn't me who was retarted, it was the sasquatch who was retarted. |
| 18:07.24 | goozbach | I'm just easier to catch than that |
| 18:07.29 | goozbach | -chat goozbach is |
| 18:11.26 | harleypig | ah ... should be more careful how I interpret what I read. |
| 18:11.32 | jsmith | -chat goozbach |
| 18:11.39 | harleypig | -chat up goozbach |
| 18:11.44 | harleypig | feh |
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| 18:55.27 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:55.27 | ibot | overclocks emcnabb until emcnabb burns out |
| 18:58.47 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 18:58.47 | ibot | farts in elg's general direction |
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| 19:28.57 | harleypig | boy, I wish I could sleep in like some people around here! |
| 19:29.02 | harleypig | :] |
| 19:29.30 | herlo | harleypig: like who? |
| 19:32.19 | harleypig | herlo: Jayce^ just walked in to work ... was giving him a hard time. |
| 19:34.42 | Jayce^ | harleypig, I wish I'd been sleeping the whole time :( |
| 19:34.59 | Jayce^ | had some bad lunch yesterday... it spent all night looking for creative exits from my body |
| 19:35.50 | harleypig | woah ... what wonderful mental imagery ... |
| 19:35.54 | harleypig | sorry to hear that . |
| 19:36.13 | harleypig | You did look a little under the weather |
| 19:36.30 | maquis | Jayce^: TMI |
| 19:38.29 | Jayce^ | maquis, that's nothing, you should hear about harleypigs experience at our first Perl Conference/OSCON :) |
| 19:40.24 | Jayce^ | those poor facilities were not prepared.. |
| 19:40.46 | harleypig | the poor people in the room too ... |
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| 19:42.13 | maquis | i didn't want to know that |
| 19:46.02 | levi | Hi, everyone. |
| 19:46.02 | levi | is stuffed. |
| 19:46.57 | goozbach | ohh ramen! |
| 19:48.21 | goozbach | I forgot I was cooking this |
| 19:48.41 | goozbach | which perl package contains UNIVERSAL::require? I thought it was ootools |
| 19:48.59 | harleypig | maquis: sorry ... in this channel you pays your dime and you takes your ride! :D |
| 19:49.13 | maquis | tries to figure out how to get off the ride |
| 19:50.02 | harleypig | <chong>oh wow man ... Jet Set by Alphaville</chong> |
| 19:50.23 | harleypig | haven't heard this song since the last time I reached orbit ... |
| 19:50.28 | goozbach | maquis: here's a hint: /leave #utah |
| 19:50.31 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:50.36 | goozbach | easiest way off the ride |
| 19:51.12 | harleypig | goozbach: http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/dist/UNIVERSAL-require |
| 19:52.49 | goozbach | I had it in the back of my mind that there was a distro package (for fedora/redhat) which included that perl module |
| 19:53.02 | goozbach | I guess I'm just dreaming... cpan2rpm to the rescue |
| 19:53.06 | harleypig | Oh. Can't help you with that one. |
| 19:53.39 | goozbach | fozzmoo: BTW I think I've found a worse canidate for "CPAN dependancy hell" than catalyst. |
| 19:53.59 | harleypig | for centos there is perl-UNIVERSAL-require.noarch |
| 19:55.49 | goozbach | I wonder why it didn't show up in my yum search UNIVERSAL::require |
| 19:56.14 | Jayce^ | you expect yum to be helpful? |
| 19:56.16 | harleypig | I don't think you can use :: |
| 19:57.00 | harleypig | yum search UNIVERSAL-require showed up. |
| 19:58.18 | goozbach | Jayce^: that's my first mistake |
| 19:58.32 | goozbach | turns out I can't use that version of UNIVERSAL::require anyway |
| 19:58.37 | harleypig | :D |
| 19:58.45 | goozbach | I have to downgrade to version 0.03 |
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| 20:10.22 | Tene | goozbach: What's your worse candidate? Jifty? |
| 20:11.33 | goozbach | Tene: our internal master perl library |
| 20:11.48 | goozbach | everything we do with perl needs this library installed |
| 20:12.11 | goozbach | it's only working on Debian right now from being there when it started |
| 20:12.54 | goozbach | I'm about three days into installing prereqs for this silly thing as of now |
| 20:16.53 | Tene | Nice. |
| 20:21.43 | goozbach | and I've hit yet another dead end |
| 20:21.46 | goozbach | hooray! |
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| 20:37.28 | Sargun | lala |
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| 20:41.08 | fozzmoo | What's a good powerful text editor for Windows? |
| 20:41.16 | fozzmoo | for the non-vim/emacs guy? |
| 20:41.23 | levi | Free or non-free? |
| 20:41.24 | mocoloco | I like context |
| 20:41.35 | fozzmoo | preferably free. Not necessarily Free. But free. |
| 20:41.49 | mocoloco | http://www.contexteditor.org/index.html |
| 20:42.17 | fozzmoo | mocoloco: Thank you! |
| 20:42.18 | levi | I've heard good things about jedit |
| 20:42.47 | fozzmoo | levi: Thank you. |
| 20:42.57 | fozzmoo | The "j" scares me, but I'll pass it on. :) |
| 20:43.06 | levi | It is java. |
| 20:43.24 | mocoloco | np :) notepad++ is another good one, but haven't used it as much |
| 20:43.34 | levi | http://www.thefreecountry.com/programming/editors.shtml |
| 20:44.46 | Sargun | fozzmoo, visual studio |
| 20:46.03 | levi | jEdit was originally written by Slava Pestov, who has since sworn off Java and wrote his own stack-based language called Factor. |
| 20:46.03 | Sargun | Haha |
| 20:48.24 | levi | This isn't free, but it's a clone of a Mac-only editor a lot of people swear by: http://www.e-texteditor.com/ |
| 20:50.15 | goozbach | fozzmoo: Komodo |
| 20:50.23 | goozbach | or Cream |
| 20:50.36 | harleypig | i think that would count as vim |
| 20:52.23 | nick125 | Nano in Cygwin! |
| 20:55.10 | nick125 | still hasn't found anything better than nano. |
| 20:57.40 | goozbach | harleypig: it's still easy enough for the "non-vim guy" |
| 21:00.23 | harleypig | goozbach: I can't comment on it. I hate it. But I've been using vim since before I learned about vi. |
| 21:00.32 | harleypig | So I'm probably biased. |
| 21:02.17 | nick125 | is too lazy to learn vim.. |
| 21:02.27 | nick125 | I really don't see what the big fuss is, anyways. |
| 21:03.23 | harleypig | editors are religous tokens. |
| 21:03.24 | nick125 | People always say how powerful and useful vim is.. |
| 21:03.45 | levi | nick125: You prefer nano to vim? |
| 21:04.03 | nick125 | levi: Yes, I do. |
| 21:04.07 | mocoloco | @the lazy: vimtutor and 10 minutes will set you up. |
| 21:05.42 | harleypig | nick125: And you contend that it isn't? |
| 21:05.49 | mocoloco | I'm now comfortable in vi, although I admit I still prefer gui editors. |
| 21:06.10 | nick125 | harleypig: I'm not saying it isn't powerful or useful, I'm saying that I just don't see it. |
| 21:06.46 | harleypig | oic |
| 21:06.50 | harleypig | no pun meant |
| 21:08.37 | levi | nick125: If you only know a little of vim, it's far worse than nano. If you take the effort to learn it well, though, it's way better. |
| 21:09.04 | mocoloco | real hackers use awk, grep, and sed anyway :) |
| 21:09.17 | nick125 | Every time I attempt to learn vim, I usually go through about 3/4ths of vimtutor and begin to wonder "How is this better than nano?". |
| 21:09.59 | fozzmoo | nick125: You need to stand behind someone like me for a couple hours. Then you'll know why it takes you twice as long to get stuff done. :) |
| 21:11.30 | Tene | fozzmoo: do you ever leave 'j's and 'k's scattered through text boxes in your web browser? |
| 21:13.14 | Jayce^ | or :wq |
| 21:13.34 | Tene | I'm always closing tabs in pidgin with ctrl+w |
| 21:13.54 | levi | nick125: Alternatively, you could learn emacs, which is also way better than nano once you learn it. |
| 21:15.23 | tensai | Tene: I do the same thing, with evolution especially |
| 21:16.21 | fozzmoo | Tene: I sure do. |
| 21:16.28 | fozzmoo | jjjjjjj Dang. I thought I was in vi! |
| 21:19.57 | goozbach | kkkkkkk<esc>:q! |
| 21:20.46 | goozbach | owowwwlw |
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| 21:40.31 | harleypig | Inferiors always make fun of their betters |
| 21:40.44 | elg | ~mock harleypig |
| 21:40.45 | ibot | ACTION pulls harleypig's pants down and shows the world harleypig's pink spotted underwear |
| 21:40.52 | elg | ibot, you are inferior to harleypig |
| 21:40.52 | ibot | elg: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:40.55 | harleypig | I don't where underwear. |
| 21:41.03 | harleypig | s/where/wear/ |
| 21:41.06 | elg | where do you put th epink spots? |
| 21:41.17 | harleypig | those are splotches |
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| 22:18.44 | jlp_work | darn, I missed the editor wars. I was going to put a vote in for "ed". |
| 22:19.05 | nick125 | I'm not sure I'd call it a "war".. |
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| 22:24.28 | elg | signal processing question of the day: if K is the discrete fourier transform of k, then is K* the DFT of k*? |
| 22:25.54 | Jayce^ | well duh! |
| 22:28.38 | elg | curse my metal brain! |
| 22:33.26 | tensai | why would my ext3 filesystem all of a sudden have the signature of ntfs? |
| 22:34.19 | Tene | I should learn to be competent with ed in case of blindness. |
| 22:38.52 | tensai | so /dev/md0 is composed of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. system stopped booting. |
| 22:39.06 | tensai | booted off of knoppix. I can mount /dev/sda1 and see my filesystem. |
| 22:39.16 | nick125 | RAID1? |
| 22:39.18 | tensai | but if I reassemble /dev/md0, all of a sudden it turns into an NTFS? |
| 22:39.22 | tensai | nick125: yes |
| 22:39.54 | nick125 | hmm. And if you mount /dev/sdb1? |
| 22:40.13 | tensai | /dev/md1 was an lvm volume and it's just fine |
| 22:40.17 | harleypig | I love my pandora station ... Eisbrech to The Youngbloods !WHEEE! |
| 22:40.33 | tensai | curiously /dev/sdb seems to be missing. not sure if that's due to knoppix or not. |
| 22:41.32 | tensai | so right now md0 only has half its drives. same for md1. |
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| 23:38.28 | Tene | tensai: how could you reassemble without sdb? |
