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| 15:05.33 | unum | "John McCain was recently asked how many houses he had and he didn't know." |
| 15:05.39 | unum | wouldn't that be a nice problem to have |
| 15:11.37 | sinuhe | How can one not know how many houses he has? I think it more likely that McCain was avoiding the question, or dodging the question, for whatever reason. |
| 15:11.52 | sinuhe | s/he/one/ |
| 15:19.34 | Tene | sjansen: how many houses do you have? |
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| 15:24.32 | synic | buy my eeepc: https://post.craigslist.org/manage/807823076/x6t7d |
| 15:24.56 | synic | er... crap. |
| 15:24.58 | synic | hah. |
| 15:25.01 | peno | fail |
| 15:25.05 | synic | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/sys/807823076.html |
| 15:25.06 | synic | that one. |
| 15:27.09 | unum | now where were you two months ago when I wanted to bu yone |
| 15:30.34 | Sargun | lie. |
| 15:30.36 | Sargun | lis. |
| 15:32.00 | Sargun | synic, get 32 G of RAM |
| 15:32.12 | Sargun | er |
| 15:32.13 | Sargun | HDD |
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| 15:35.22 | unum | ya I don't think it's technically an hdd |
| 15:35.27 | levi | Yarg. |
| 15:35.30 | unum | it's ssd or something like that |
| 15:36.19 | synic | WHATEVER, it holds data for later reading! |
| 15:36.21 | levi | sinuhe: People who have lots of money and lots of investment properties could easily not know off the top of their head how many they have. |
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| 15:36.58 | nick125 | Yeah, he probably had the number written down on a sheet of paper, but he left it in his other plane. |
| 15:37.08 | unum | :) |
| 15:37.23 | levi | Dinging McCain on that is the moral equivalent of calling Obama a celebrity. |
| 15:37.51 | unum | it does get confusing because they own multiple companies and some of the houses are in the names of their minor children |
| 15:37.52 | levi | Sure, maybe Obama is something of a celebrity, but HELLO! Remeber Ronald Reagan? |
| 15:37.55 | unum | none of them are in his name |
| 15:38.49 | levi | BTW, factcheck.org is essential for interpreting campaign ads. |
| 15:39.35 | levi | It's pretty amazing how often the ads on both sides are grossly misrepresenting the other guy. |
| 15:40.08 | fozzmoo | NOBama 08! |
| 15:40.19 | unum | it's too bad that it works so well |
| 15:40.45 | fozzmoo | Still, campaigning is amazingly civil compared to 200 years ago. :) |
| 15:41.01 | unum | I have a campaign pin that says cthulhu '08 Why settle for the lesser evil |
| 15:41.32 | levi | fozzmoo: While true, that doesn't excuse the current lack of civility. |
| 15:41.41 | fozzmoo | Oh, I'm not makign excuses. |
| 15:41.45 | unum | you mean when jefferson tried to have his main rival hung for treason? |
| 15:41.50 | fozzmoo | I think it's petty to skew the facts. |
| 15:42.15 | fozzmoo | or make them up. |
| 15:42.27 | unum | a little over a 100 years ago we had a president who married his niece(who he had raised since she was 12) |
| 15:42.34 | fozzmoo | Or say what you think people want to hear. |
| 15:42.37 | unum | people seemed to care less about those thing then |
| 15:43.07 | unum | A little over 200 years ago we had a member of the cabinet write a letter to the editor about his affair, and he kept his job |
| 15:43.37 | levi | Kennedy had affairs, and everyone still loved him. |
| 15:43.48 | fozzmoo | Of course, nobody knew about them until... 30 years later. |
| 15:43.49 | levi | Except whoever killed him, of course. |
| 15:44.45 | levi | The media was not nearly as good then at finding scandalous information and spreading it far and wide, apparently. |
| 15:46.12 | unum | hmm that book recommendation on xkcd looks interesting |
| 15:47.26 | harleypig | fozzmoo: feh ... it was fairly common knowledge. Kennedy was rather worse than clinton that department. |
| 15:47.42 | sinuhe | Both McCain and Obama looked good before the primaries. Post-primary they are both making me wonder. |
| 15:47.44 | harleypig | Probably what got him kilt ... he knocked some mob boss' daughter(s). |
| 15:47.57 | harleypig | s/knocked/knocked up/ |
| 15:55.03 | sjansen | Tene: zero |
| 15:57.11 | sjansen | levi: They knew, they just didn't see a reason to report. |
| 15:57.38 | sjansen | Does it affect policy? No? Then whey does it matter? |
| 15:58.16 | sjansen | Today, on the other hand, the question is: Does it increase ratings? Yes? Then what are you waiting for? |
| 15:58.46 | Jayce^ | sjansen, problem is, it often does :) almost every foreign attack during the clinton administration happened as an investigation was starting on one of his liasons |
| 15:59.14 | sjansen | Jayce^: That's an interesting theory, but correlation is not causation. |
| 15:59.37 | Jayce^ | coincidence doesn't happen *that* often :) |
| 15:59.42 | sjansen | You'd have to be pretty cynical to think that an American president would send troops into harms way just to avoid a little press about his affair. |
| 15:59.57 | Jayce^ | I am pretty cynical, yes.. |
| 16:00.07 | sjansen | I choose to think that Clinton isn't as evil as some conservatives wackos wish to believe. |
| 16:00.09 | Jayce^ | and oftentimes it wasn't troops, a good half of them were just missiles |
| 16:00.30 | Sargun | Clinton was fairly sane, other than all of his "internet privacy" crap. |
| 16:02.03 | sjansen | At this point I think I'd welcome Clinton back if it meant we started respecting the Constitution again. |
| 16:02.19 | sinuhe | sjansen: hear hear |
| 16:02.34 | Jayce^ | sjansen, as if he was even *close* to doing that.. |
| 16:03.33 | harleypig | There really should be a standard for comment characters across all languages. |
| 16:04.01 | goozbach | harleypig: the standard is: there is no standard |
| 16:04.06 | sjansen | I blame Clinton for 9/11. He should have been more aggressive. Instead tucking tail and running after things went poorly in Somalia, he shouldn't have hidden in the Whitehouse doing nothing but fire off a few missiles. |
| 16:04.07 | goozbach | I prefer // |
| 16:04.09 | goozbach | or -- |
| 16:04.12 | goozbach | or # |
| 16:04.18 | goozbach | in that order, reversed |
| 16:04.29 | harleypig | what about % |
| 16:04.31 | harleypig | or " |
| 16:04.33 | sjansen | But at least Clinton didn't try to establish the executive branch as a dictatorship with ultimate power and no accountability. |
| 16:04.34 | harleypig | or ; |
| 16:04.51 | Jayce^ | sjansen, are you sure about that? |
| 16:04.51 | harleypig | and let us not forget /* */ |
| 16:04.52 | sjansen | Cheney, Rumsfield and Rove are traitors plain and simple. |
| 16:05.14 | harleypig | oooo ... sjansen just got a star next to his name on carnivore |
| 16:05.37 | Jayce^ | sjansen, remember when Ashcroft was seen as the hero of personal privacy for fighting Clintons attempts at having internal spying? |
| 16:05.43 | Jayce^ | clipper chip anyone? |
| 16:06.05 | Jayce^ | and don't forget the horrors of his AG... |
| 16:07.41 | sjansen | Clinton may not have been perfect, but at least he failed more. |
| 16:08.31 | sjansen | If it weren't for the fact that everyone once in awhile govt. has to react quickly and decisively, I would claim that an ineffective leader is better than an effective leader because they cause less damage. |
| 16:09.12 | Jayce^ | that's why the legislative system is how it is.. things should take time... it's just america in general can't grok that anymore |
| 16:09.32 | harleypig | Michael would be dissapointed |
| 16:10.06 | harleypig | str |
| 16:10.07 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:10.12 | Jayce^ | the presidential orders that everybody is so big on attributing to bush nowadays, they seem to forget that there were more during clintons time, and they've been in place since the @$$#%$ Gulf of tonkin started it.. |
| 16:10.22 | Jayce^ | one of the worst resolutions ever.. |
| 16:10.50 | harleypig | Jayce^ is gonna get a new topic added to the fbi pamphlet on what to look for. |
| 16:12.53 | Jayce^ | harleypig, yeah I see the first half of that one as a checklist, already match on most of it |
| 16:13.12 | Jayce^ | funny though, the lower ranks, and most of the ones on the right hand side are the ones that bug me :) |
| 16:16.14 | Jayce^ | for those wondering what harley was talkign about: http://www.radioliberty.com/fbipam.htm |
| 16:16.45 | unum | schneir has a report by the british about profiling terrorist |
| 16:16.50 | unum | basically they say they can't |
| 16:18.35 | unum | man I know a lot of those "super patriots" |
| 16:18.50 | unum | in fact there's this irc channel I hang out in that's full of them |
| 16:19.13 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:19.36 | unum | I knew a guy that had worked for hatch that would talk about trying to get ammendment repelled |
| 16:21.58 | harleypig | which ammendment? |
| 16:22.06 | harleypig | and hatch is repelling enough |
| 16:22.21 | harleypig | Jayce^: I kinda figured you'd see that as a checklist. |
| 16:22.45 | harleypig | I should probably start quoting the constituion to cops when they stop me ... add a whole new level of fun to the game. |
| 16:25.29 | goozbach | jumping through hoops for hardware support = teh suck |
| 16:26.13 | harleypig | jumping through hoops for *anything* = teh suckage |
| 16:27.42 | Jayce^ | harleypig jumping through hoops = hilarious |
| 16:28.45 | Sargun | goozbach, Dell? |
| 16:29.51 | goozbach | Sargun: how did you guess? |
| 16:29.59 | sjansen | harleypig: Not so. Sometimes "jumping through flaming hoops = the circus" |
| 16:31.09 | unum | one of my friends got arrested for telling a cop that the cop was trespassing |
| 16:31.14 | unum | lost his job over it too |
| 16:31.26 | harleypig | sjansen: still sucks ... needs to be plasma now ... too jaded |
| 16:31.32 | Sargun | goozbach, I read the channel? |
| 16:31.32 | sjansen | goozbach: Because it's such an easy guess it isn't fair. Dell has good prices, so most companies buy Dell, but they don't realize that one place Dell saves money is support. Front line techies do realize 'cause they experience it regularly. |
| 16:31.36 | Sargun | goozbach, what went wrong? |
| 16:31.40 | sjansen | goozbach: But then you already knew that. |
| 16:31.57 | fozzmoo | unum: wha? |
| 16:32.14 | fozzmoo | The cop lost his job or your friend lost his job? |
| 16:32.18 | harleypig | unum: who lost their job? the cop or your firend? |
| 16:32.25 | harleypig | s/firend/friend/ |
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| 16:32.50 | Sargun | unum, his friend |
| 16:33.07 | harleypig | by the wall |
| 16:33.11 | goozbach | sjansen: yeah I know that |
| 16:33.15 | harleypig | at terak noir |
| 16:33.23 | harleypig | s/noir/nor/ |
| 16:33.29 | goozbach | but it still beats trying to track down a stick of ram at 2am on a saturday |
| 16:33.32 | sjansen | fozzmoo: The friend was breaking into a jewelry store. When the cops showed up, the friend acted like an employee and claimed the cops were trespassing. It didn't work. |
| 16:33.39 | sjansen | unum has some dicey friends |
| 16:33.42 | harleypig | ah |
| 16:33.58 | harleypig | that's not the same thing that I'm talking about, but entertaining nevertheless. |
| 16:34.01 | goozbach | once you convnice dell support what you need, it's overnighted to you to be installed |
| 16:34.08 | harleypig | Did he show up on Dumbest criminals or Cops? |
| 16:34.41 | sjansen | America's Funniest Real World To Catch a Predator |
| 16:35.21 | harleypig | I'd watch that show! The outtakes of a predator mistakenly ripping out only a part of a spine ... |
| 16:35.25 | sjansen | It was an experimental series. Part of Fox's new "Expanded Synergies" approach to television. |
| 16:35.44 | harleypig | The arm bomb not going off ... |
| 16:37.40 | Jayce^ | Erasure: On the Road to Nashville is the just kind of horror that sjansen would like to see spread across this world.. |
| 16:38.03 | harleypig | Goth Makeovers |
| 16:38.42 | harleypig | Suicide Girls <fill in the blank> |
| 16:38.52 | harleypig | I'd watch them though ... |
| 16:38.57 | Sargun | harleypig, do you enjoy suicide girls? |
| 16:39.02 | harleypig | I do. |
| 16:39.10 | Sargun | Alright.... |
| 16:39.14 | harleypig | though I refuse to subscribe to their web site. |
| 16:39.25 | Sargun | I thought you Utahnians were supposed to hate "emos" |
| 16:39.29 | harleypig | for fear my kids (especially my girls) will find it. |
| 16:39.36 | harleypig | Utahnians? |
| 16:39.37 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:39.44 | Sargun | #Utahnians |
| 16:39.53 | harleypig | I'm not your standar Utah Mohmon. |
| 16:40.06 | harleypig | s/standar/standard/ |
| 16:40.17 | elg | he is your standard utah more man |
| 16:41.11 | harleypig | except for the day glo speedos |
| 16:41.12 | Sargun | harleypig, how would they find it? |
| 16:41.14 | Sargun | just put all of your "questionable content" into a VM |
| 16:41.16 | harleypig | The speedos? Very carefully. |
| 16:41.22 | Sargun | burn the speedos. |
| 16:41.30 | harleypig | Oh, you mean the kids. |
| 16:41.40 | harleypig | Kids are very sneaky. |
| 16:42.54 | Sargun | I know |
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| 16:43.03 | Sargun | but if you're clever |
| 16:43.08 | Sargun | we can't find anything |
| 16:43.20 | Sargun | too bad most parents aren't paranoid enough |
| 16:44.48 | harleypig | feh ... If I'm going to be using it the kids will find it. |
| 16:44.58 | tensai | kids have larger quantities of time and a lot more curiousity |
| 16:45.33 | elg | no parent has the ability to hide something on a computer frome astute kids |
| 16:45.33 | harleypig | and a greater capacity for understanding new things |
| 16:45.37 | elg | not even when sargun is a parent |
| 16:45.57 | elg | short of completely separate accounts and encrypted hard drives perhaps |
| 16:46.36 | harleypig | all it would take would be for me to have to go to the bathroom for just a little while and forget to lock my screen ... my kids could sit down, copy stuff to another computer on the local network and ... that's it! |
| 16:47.04 | Sargun | elg, Physical security is the biggest issue. |
| 16:47.34 | harleypig | which cannot be perfect in any environment. |
| 16:47.56 | elg | yup. you're totally hosed |
| 16:48.03 | elg | beaten by your own scriptkiddies |
| 16:48.04 | Sargun | The best way to do it is to go somewhere that you can't be found (motel, pay in cash) and use a live cd |
| 16:48.19 | harleypig | So, I'm just better off not doing it. |
| 16:48.23 | Sargun | but then again there is the 15-18 age where they have a car and can follow you around. |
| 16:48.31 | harleypig | Sargun: do you have any kids? |
| 16:48.48 | harleypig | It doesn't matter how you hide it ... if you do it, they will find out. |
| 16:48.49 | Sargun | Do you think a kid could find what you're doing in a motel? |
| 16:49.07 | harleypig | Social engineering ... |
| 16:49.12 | levi | Why would one go through all that trouble to look at silly naked goth girls? |
| 16:49.14 | harleypig | i was doing it by the time I was 14. |
| 16:49.32 | Sargun | levi, who knows? |
| 16:49.40 | harleypig | levi: that point has fallen by the way side. |
| 16:49.55 | levi | If you don't want your kids to know you're doing something, the easiest route is simply not to do it. |
| 16:50.00 | harleypig | And that's not the part of the suicide girls I like. |
| 16:50.01 | Sargun | harleypig, but the kid will know you're in a motel. |
| 16:50.15 | harleypig | of course. |
| 16:50.21 | elg | he's been doing social engineering since 14, not going to motels |
| 16:50.24 | levi | I don't know much about suicide girls aside from references to them at BoingBoing. |
| 16:50.32 | Sargun | s/he wont know what exactly you're doing in a motel |
| 16:50.38 | Sargun | might think you're having an affair |
| 16:50.50 | tensai | that would a real win |
| 16:51.05 | harleypig | well, in my case, two of my kids are pushing me to get a girlfriend |
| 16:51.16 | elg | is she cute? |
| 16:51.18 | Sargun | but more than likely (unless they sniff hotel internet) they wont know _exactly_ what you're doing |
| 16:51.21 | Sargun | how old are your kids? |
| 16:51.34 | harleypig | elg: I don't know ... I haven't found her yet :> |
| 16:51.44 | harleypig | 11 and 14. |
| 16:51.54 | elg | Sargun: before the internet we had this thing called real-world spying |
| 16:51.55 | harleypig | The 14 yr old has already hacked my system once. |
| 16:52.01 | elg | where you could spy on people even if they're not online |
| 16:52.04 | Sargun | 11 year olds know about girl friends? |
| 16:52.11 | harleypig | *snort* |
| 16:52.15 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 16:52.18 | Sargun | elg, most crappy motels have one window |
| 16:52.22 | Sargun | that you can usually close |
| 16:52.35 | Sargun | and have the blinds cover |
| 16:52.38 | elg | i can see you wouldn't have made a very good spy |
| 16:53.36 | levi | So, we've ruled out C Programmer and Spy from Sargun's future jobs portfolio. ;P |
| 16:54.04 | Sargun | elg, how would you go about monitoring someone going into a random motel at a random time |
| 16:54.15 | Sargun | exploiting physical security |
| 16:54.18 | elg | so i read up on tomatoes and cucumbers last night. i was woefully negligent in letting them get so big |
| 16:54.23 | elg | darn things don't know what's good for 'em |
| 16:54.32 | levi | You're supposed to prune them? |
| 16:54.38 | elg | yeah |
| 16:54.42 | levi | Huh. |
| 16:54.48 | Sargun | you could possibly break down the entrance |
| 16:54.50 | levi | Man, that's just more work. :) |
| 16:54.50 | elg | http://www.taunton.com/finegardening/how-to/articles/pruning-tomatoes.aspx |
| 16:54.51 | Sargun | that might not end well |
| 16:55.10 | elg | well it's just a minute every day or two |
| 16:55.42 | Sargun | elg, I guess you don't have a method? |
| 16:56.05 | elg | watch more 80s shows and read more 80s books |
| 16:56.19 | elg | then imagine 20 years of technology heaped on top of that |
| 16:57.10 | elg | add a grain of salt of course |
| 16:57.27 | Jayce^ | elg, I read a blog about that earlier this year too, tried it on one plant, good results |
| 16:57.29 | elg | will your kids have access to bugging technology? no probably not |
| 16:57.41 | harleypig | elg: They already do. |
| 16:57.54 | Jayce^ | elg, my family is great at "Bugging" me |
| 16:58.01 | elg | but they still have ears to put against doors, pinholes in the walls, etc. |
| 16:58.05 | elg | :) |
| 16:58.44 | elg | i did get a massive cucumber yesterday. don't know how it hid from me (probably grew from nothing to massive in 3 days flat, maybe that's how) |
| 16:59.17 | elg | and first ripe tomato, complete with worm |
| 16:59.57 | unum | sorry I got distracted |
| 17:00.10 | unum | my friend lost his job when he told them he had been arrested |
| 17:00.18 | tensai | elg: my first tomato plants got massive. I was just so excited to see them grow I couldn't bear cutting them. |
| 17:00.26 | unum | he was arrested in logan and worked for the salt lake county prosecuter |
| 17:00.47 | unum | he had a fire in his back yard(intentionally set and under control) |
| 17:01.07 | tensai | elg: cukes do that. once they're pollinated they grow fast. |
| 17:01.09 | Jayce^ | tensai, better hide, I'll be up by your house tonight :) Well, at least staying by the river.. |
| 17:01.22 | unum | the cops and firefighters showed up(someone called it in) he told the firefighters they could go in the back yard but not the police |
| 17:01.35 | unum | so when they stepped on the property he told them they were trespassing |
| 17:01.46 | tensai | Jayce^: I know. I'll hide in a motel. you'll never find me there! |
| 17:01.48 | unum | they didn't bother to charge him, just held him for a while |
| 17:03.20 | fozzmoo | Shaun at Guru Labs is looking for someonen with an RHCE to do some consulting. |
| 17:03.41 | fozzmoo | If interested, contact Shaun Herbert @ Guru Labs. |
| 17:04.36 | Jayce^ | wait... GURU labs is HIRING? NO WAY! |
| 17:04.53 | elg | ~hire Jayce^ |
| 17:04.54 | ibot | ACTION hires Jayce^ along with tristanbob as a Chicago Blackhawks Mens Room Urinal Puck Changer, at 9 kicks in the crotch/hour to start |
| 17:09.49 | harleypig | That's a kick in the crotch ever 6 seconds! ow ow ow |
| 17:12.18 | levi | Wow, Microsoft released Photosynth. |
| 17:13.03 | Supaplex | as source? |
| 17:13.10 | levi | Uh, no. |
| 17:13.13 | levi | As a service. |
| 17:13.15 | harleypig | Man, I love Roy Orbison's voice. |
| 17:13.55 | levi | harleypig: Mercy! |
| 17:14.22 | harleypig | Pretty Woman! |
| 17:16.22 | elg | is disappointed. my worldview just shattered. |
| 17:16.33 | levi | elg: How so? |
| 17:17.01 | elg | when i was taking organ lessons, dr cook had me practice "how gentle god's commands" as one of my first hymns (there's lots of nuances in playing hymns on organ "properly") |
| 17:17.14 | elg | the marked-up version of the hymn was subtitled "blest be the tie" |
| 17:17.47 | elg | i thought this was a cute wordplay or pun on some famous phrase I'd never heard, since ties were so integral in the lessons being learned |
| 17:18.20 | harleypig | It's good to have to rebuild one's worldview on occassion |
| 17:18.25 | elg | but apparently that's really the name of that hymn with different words. i guess it still could be viewed as a sneaky pun, but mostly it's just accurate. |
| 17:18.25 | elg | http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/b/bbtttb.htm |
| 17:18.45 | elg | my faith in his sense of humor is challenged |
| 17:19.35 | levi | Perhaps the pun was leaving off the 'that binds' part. |
| 17:19.44 | elg | hmm, you could be right |
| 17:20.10 | levi | That would make it even more clever, subverting the alternate title. |
| 17:20.43 | levi | You'd have to query Dr. Cook about it to be sure, though. |
| 17:36.11 | sjansen | Jayce^: As it happens, yes, we are still looking for smart, friendly Linux lovers willing to travel and teach. But this is different. |
| 17:37.41 | sjansen | Consulting means consulting, not teaching. Most likely a satisfied customer would love to hire a Guru to come do something Linux related. But that's not really our gig anymore. Training alone keeps us so busy that all we can do is try to find someone else to recommend for the job. |
| 18:17.07 | harleypig | <14 year old girl>JOAN JETT!!! I LOVE PANDORA!</14 year old girl> |
| 18:17.28 | harleypig | faints |
| 18:17.40 | maquis | what in the world? |
| 18:17.58 | harleypig | looks at maquis innocently |
| 18:21.07 | harleypig | smokes in the boys room with Motley Crue! |
| 18:28.21 | maquis | firefox just randomly died on my machine |
| 18:28.33 | maquis | and now when i try to start it up again, it says it can't open the display |
| 18:29.49 | jsmith | maquis: Did you change hostnames or anything funky like that? |
| 18:29.55 | maquis | jsmith: nope |
| 18:30.46 | maquis | i just exported DISPLAY, and now it works again |
| 18:31.34 | tensai | alias firefox="/usr/bin/firefox || unset DISPLAY" |
| 18:34.43 | harleypig | why would you want to unset DISPLAY in a gui environment? |
| 18:38.10 | tensai | I wouldn't. apparently maquis does, so I gave her a shortcut. |
| 18:38.19 | Sargun | maquis, reboot. |
| 18:38.33 | harleypig | nah ... just restart X |
| 18:38.42 | harleypig | maybe log out of your shell at the most. |
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| 18:39.44 | harleypig | whois dilvie |
| 18:39.47 | harleypig | woops |
| 18:40.14 | nick125 | w/i5 |
| 18:40.15 | nick125 | er |
| 18:40.23 | harleypig | well, that was less than helpful |
| 18:40.31 | harleypig | though I do like the 'New Now Know How' |
| 18:41.32 | dilvie | harleypig: try http://dilvie.com |
| 18:44.00 | harleypig | Mountain Meadows fashion? |
| 18:44.10 | harleypig | what a macabre place to shoot ... I like it. |
| 18:44.34 | tensai | o/~ someone is crazy and it's you ~/o |
| 18:44.38 | dilvie | harleypig: hahaha |
| 18:44.46 | dilvie | I didn't even think about that. |
| 18:44.59 | dilvie | it's not THE Mountain Meadows. |
| 18:45.05 | dilvie | it's just a meadow in the mountains. |
| 18:45.16 | harleypig | The first and last pictures for Aug 4th just became my desktop background. |
| 18:45.52 | harleypig | Ah. |
| 18:45.56 | harleypig | I must've misread that. |
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| 19:04.33 | Jayce^ | dilvie, didnt' know you did photography too |
| 19:04.47 | harleypig | man, I got a bad case of fridayitis |
| 19:05.11 | dilvie | Jayce^: Too? |
| 19:05.21 | harleypig | toot |
| 19:05.29 | Jayce^ | way back, remember some of your music links, think that's how I first knew you.. |
| 19:05.54 | maquis | Jayce^: you do photography too? |
| 19:06.23 | Jayce^ | me, no, my brother uses that half of the brain :) |
| 19:07.32 | dilvie | ah, yes. |
| 19:07.39 | dilvie | it's been a while |
| 19:07.50 | dilvie | I've been doing photography full time for well over a year |
| 19:12.00 | maquis | ah.. i'm no good, but i've been having fun with it |
| 19:12.11 | maquis | points subtly to tuxgirl.smugmug.com |
| 19:17.40 | dilvie | maquis: you point your camera at very pretty things, but you should probably pay a little more attention to the time of day you take the photos. |
| 19:17.46 | dilvie | it makes a huge difference. |
| 19:17.49 | dilvie | light angle is everything. |
| 19:19.14 | dilvie | mornings and evenings tend to work a lot better than mid-day |
| 19:20.28 | dilvie | I love this |
| 19:20.30 | dilvie | http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/5750727_hxZdc#355382158_5j2e7 |
| 19:22.18 | Jayce^ | bobwhite |
| 19:28.05 | maquis | dilvie: yeah... i generally do it whenever i have my camera :) which isn't nearly as often as it should be :) |
| 19:28.30 | maquis | dilvie: that's my husband's favorite :) |
| 19:28.56 | dilvie | maquis: Canon makes a great little compact that's good enough for professional use. You can fit it in your pocket on hikes and have it with you all the time. |
| 19:29.01 | dilvie | Canon G9 |
| 19:29.16 | maquis | yeah... i just dumped a bunch of money on my current camera, unfortunately |
| 19:29.34 | dilvie | It features full manual controls, and real-time on-screen exposure display. |
| 19:29.54 | maquis | the pics under "Kelowna" and "Washington" are from my new camera... all the others are my older camera |
| 19:29.57 | dilvie | I think it's pretty cheap, too.. like in the $500 range. |
| 19:30.19 | maquis | my favorite: http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/5750641_TgVfH#355374342_SP59J |
| 19:30.55 | maquis | also liking http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/5750641_TgVfH#355374118_xscep |
| 19:31.15 | dilvie | I like the flower shot better |
| 19:32.15 | dilvie | it's a bit over-exposed, and I would have rotated it a bit to the left... |
| 19:32.30 | dilvie | but I love the shallow depth of field |
| 19:32.42 | maquis | 500$ isn't "cheap" in my brain... :) my "dumped a bunch of money on a camera" was me buying a digital rebel XT for just over 500$ |
| 19:32.46 | maquis | :) |
| 19:33.31 | maquis | dilvie: interesting ideas. i hadn't thought of rotating it a little... |
| 19:34.16 | dilvie | the two blossoms make a line through the photo |
| 19:34.59 | dilvie | so when you compose the photo, you should be thinking about the proportion harmonies of the two blossoms as a unit, rather than just the one that's focused on.. |
| 19:35.26 | dilvie | I don't think about any of that stuff consciously while I'm shooting, but I notice it when I'm looking at my photos later. |
| 19:36.08 | dilvie | take a look at this. |
| 19:36.10 | dilvie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dilvie/2348887833/ |
| 19:37.01 | Jayce^ | dilvie, that's cool |
| 19:44.11 | dilvie | http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/5750641_TgVfH#355374129_sgHcF *drool* |
| 19:45.03 | dilvie | visual arts are a lot like music |
| 19:45.06 | dilvie | it's all about harmonies |
| 19:45.09 | dilvie | color harmonies, |
| 19:45.15 | dilvie | proportion harmonies... |
| 19:45.39 | dilvie | interestingly... the math that determines harmonies in music is the same math that determines harmonies in the frame |
| 19:46.03 | dilvie | so when you see a photo, you're really looking at combinations of musical chords plotted out in a photograph |
| 19:46.21 | dilvie | kindof a funny way to look at things, probably, but that's the way my musician mind sees the world. |
| 19:56.50 | maquis | interesting |
| 19:56.54 | maquis | sorry i disappeared for a moment |
| 19:56.58 | maquis | had to do work stuff :( |
| 19:57.09 | maquis | yeah... the grill makes me hungry |
| 19:58.14 | maquis | here's a random onbit of photoshopping: http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/5750781_gYWAD#355995105_tJJsf |
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| 20:17.18 | eightyeight | ~lart sjansen for good measure |
| 20:17.18 | ibot | duct-tapes sjansen to the floor and drools on him for good measure |
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| 20:49.04 | Sargun | dilvie, I have a Cannon G9. There is a rumour they are discontinuing it though |
| 20:49.40 | dilvie | sargun: it's a long running series. If they discontinue the G9, it'll be after they've replaced it with a newer model. |
| 20:49.47 | Sargun | yeah |
| 20:53.48 | elg | oh my, there's a new new kids on the block album coming out. i saw a poster at wal-mart |
| 20:53.55 | elg | new middle-aged people on the block |
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| 20:59.46 | mrpull | does \w include a newline character in a vim search and replace regex? |
| 21:08.39 | mrpull | NM. ^\n$ worked for what I needed. I thought there may be more whitespace per line. |
| 21:15.34 | eightyeight | oftc ftw |
| 21:15.49 | eightyeight | ssl with auto-identification using ssl certs |
| 21:51.53 | elg | anyone on byu campus? |
| 21:52.57 | fozzmoo | nope. it's deserted. |
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| 22:02.34 | bbeattie | anyone have bmac2's e-mail? I just noticed he's presenting on LinuxMCE which I covered some on so I may need to modify my presentation and I need to find out what exactly he's covering... |
| 22:14.57 | fozzmoo | bbeattie: I'll see if I can get it. |
| 22:17.14 | fozzmoo | Sorry. Got nuttin. |
| 22:17.22 | fozzmoo | He's made it difficult to figure out. |
| 22:17.28 | fozzmoo | Maybe herlo has some dirt on him. |
| 22:17.36 | bbeattie | I've e-mailed his domain e-mail but it's a hotmail account |
| 22:18.32 | bbeattie | I've got my slides done too, but I'm sure I'll be re-working them now.. *slaps clint with a herring* You should have told me there was another media presentation! ;P |
| 22:18.59 | bbeattie | The good side is I was worried I had too much to cover so this will help. |
| 22:19.19 | fozzmoo | bbeattie: There's probably some crossover between yours and mine too. |
| 22:19.26 | herlo | bbeattie: I didn't see what you typed previously, but I just responded to your email |
| 22:19.41 | bbeattie | which one fozz? |
| 22:20.00 | fozzmoo | http://2008.utosc.com/presentation/76/\ |
| 22:20.04 | fozzmoo | Tools for video and images |
| 22:20.08 | fozzmoo | http://2008.utosc.com/presentation/76/ |
| 22:20.32 | bbeattie | I saw the title too, but I think we're fairly safe. |
| 22:21.18 | bbeattie | My guess is I'll probably go into some of the specifics of picking and setting certain things up |
| 22:21.53 | bbeattie | I was only going to cover myths dvd ripper and ripping blu-ray |
| 22:22.08 | fozzmoo | I thiknk everyone's just calling yours "the mythTV session" |
| 22:22.13 | fozzmoo | and it'll be packed. |
| 22:22.22 | fozzmoo | Mine will be a couple crickets. |
| 22:22.27 | bbeattie | yeah, how to set mythtv up correctly. ;) |
| 22:23.15 | fozzmoo | Well, it looks like it's gonna be Obama-Bayh for the democrats. |
| 22:23.25 | bbeattie | myth is only about 30%, hardware is 15%, setup of xine, mplayer, filesystem, optimizing playback, is 40% and 15% is misc stuff |
| 22:24.03 | bbeattie | mine mostly focuses on how to actually get the stuff to work the best, since linux isn't plug-n-play |
| 22:28.24 | bbeattie | fozzmoo: have you finished your slides? |
| 22:28.37 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 22:28.43 | fozzmoo | I should start on that. |
| 22:29.00 | fozzmoo | Probably Sunday or Monday. |
| 22:31.12 | bbeattie | when you get them done can you e-mail me a copy, brandon.beattie at g mail. I'll make sure I stay away from stuff you're doing and lead into your presentation when talking about getting media, home movies, editing pictures, etc for a media system. |
| 22:31.44 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 22:31.51 | fozzmoo | I won't be going into too much detail on anything I talk about. |
| 22:32.00 | fozzmoo | it's really just to get people familiar with the tools that ARE available. |
| 22:32.07 | fozzmoo | Both GUI and command-line. |
| 22:36.43 | bbeattie | herlo: for the presentation rooms, will there be audio? Ability to display (or switch) more than one computer display (or do I need to bring my own kvm?) |
| 22:37.06 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.37 | bbeattie | any chance there's a TV jack? either cable, OTA NTSC or OTA HDTV? |
| 22:55.54 | Sargun | How do you make a new xauthority file |
| 22:59.37 | harleypig | vim ~/.XAuthority |
| 22:59.40 | harleypig | ducks |
| 23:13.08 | Sargun | rapes harleypig |
| 23:13.09 | Sargun | err |
| 23:15.37 | harleypig | I don't think rape fantasies go over well here ... but you can live with the image of me in a jockstrap on a diving board. :> |
| 23:15.53 | harleypig | but *if* you can |
| 23:38.41 | maquis | really doesn't want to know |
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| 23:57.36 | herlo | bbeattie: good question, haven't had that before |
| 23:58.04 | herlo | bbeattie: as far as kvm, I'll check on monday, but there is audio, and projectors in each room |
| 23:58.13 | herlo | you'll be mic'd with a wireless lapel mic as well |
| 23:58.36 | peno | herlo: if a kvm is needed, I have a few. |
| 23:58.43 | peno | herlo: just let me know |
| 23:58.49 | herlo | peno: sounds like at least one |
| 23:58.54 | peno | ok, done. |
| 23:59.47 | herlo | peno: are you on the utos-plan list? |
| 23:59.54 | peno | herlo: doubtful |