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00:28.50tensaiyay! power came back on.
00:29.00Sargun_screenpower is good.
00:30.20tensaihamster must have fallen off his track
00:30.28tensaiwait, this is in wyoming. probably was an antelope then.
00:33.00Sargun_screenhehe.
00:33.02Sargun_screenMoose.
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01:11.12leviInteresting paper on the people factor in software engineering: http://alistair.cockburn.us/index.php/Characterizing_people_as_non-linear%2C_first-order_components_in_software_development
01:12.20Sargun_screenCockburn?
01:12.36Sargun_screenused for stuff like ACPI, and sometimes it breaks, I do this every once and a while) modprobe nvram; cat /dev/urandom > /dev/nvram
01:12.41Sargun_screenErr, void that.
01:39.16leviAlistair Cockburn is the guy's name.
01:39.24levi(pronounced 'coburn')
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01:51.05bonez46I have asked before..curious about online games for linux.. tired of xp bugs and going to just get my boys converted over to linux.. Suggestions?
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02:08.23bonez46what would be better, a refurbished Palm 650.. unlocked... or a new Palm 680, locked to my carrier?
02:09.50nick125I'd go for the 680..you can always get it unlocked later, anyways.
02:22.05bonez46nick125: thanks
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02:43.15gabegundywell....
02:43.25gabegundyI got an iPhone 3G and it rocks.
02:43.54gabegundypeople can call me and I'll look cool while taking the call.
02:43.57SargunThat's sad.
02:44.09gabegundyI know.
02:44.50gabegundyDon't worry, I plan on picking up the Android one when it comes out in a few months.
02:45.15nick125will give gabegundy a week before he throws it in the street and runs over it
02:45.38gabegundythrows or drops?
02:45.50gabegundyI paid too much to chuck it.
02:45.51nick125Throw, more than likely.
02:46.34nick125Once you realize the utter horribleness of AT&T's network, the large number of issues with the iPhone (ranging from 3G chipset issues to software issues), etc.
02:47.14gabegundyCan't be any worse then the pile of junk that I had at my last job.
02:47.23nick125Which was?
02:47.27gabegundyI think it was called the dash.
02:47.40nick125Ouch. Yeah, the Dash was pretty bad.
02:47.42gabegundyon T-Mobile.
02:47.56gabegundydropped more calls then it took.
02:47.59tensaicell phones in general suck pretty bad
02:48.25SargunYep. You love to allocate objects in memory, don?t you? Megabytes of them. And then a board designer decides to wipe his filthy hands with your beautiful white huge software system. Debug that, you perverted memory-addicted individual.
02:48.26Sargunhahahahah
02:48.36Sargunnick125, The Dash?
02:48.41SargunHTC Dash?
02:48.42Sargunhttp://www.yosefk.com/blog/the-cardinal-programming-jokes.html
02:48.48nick125Sargun: T-Mobile Dash (HTC Excalibur)
02:49.00SargunHTC has the crappiest names
02:49.09Sargunalmost as bad as motorola
02:49.40nick125Hasn't Motorola gone out of business yet?
02:49.53gabegundyThe name I could live with.  The phone - no way (well, only while it was free).
02:50.23nick125Windows Mobile devices are quite possibly the biggest pieces of junk I've ever seen/used.
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02:52.16tensainick125: I hope they don't. I wouldn't want to lose my Canopy radios.
02:52.52nick125tensai: Maybe they'll drop their cell phone business like the deadweight it is..while they still have time.
02:53.01tensaithat I could live with
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03:39.20tensaitable corruption in sql server. this should be fun.
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03:44.43brac[An IRC Tutorial]
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05:51.28tensaigoes to bed before midnight
08:22.42Supaplexdoes too, but some 21.75 hours early
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13:19.25elg"The author recommends that scripting, not Java, be taught first, asserting that students should learn to love their own possibilities before they learn to loathe other people's restrictions."
13:19.37elghttp://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2941
13:29.19jsmithelg: Works for me... I learned scripting before I learned any other languages
13:29.40elgdoes basic count as a scripting language? ;-)
13:30.32jsmithelg: Well, it does in my book
13:30.57elgit was a lot easier than C++ that's for sure
13:31.06jsmithAmen, brother!
13:31.09elgi learned basic first, then tried to pick up C++
13:31.18elgthat was slow going, but I was already addicted
13:31.25elgit would be a lot easier now, with the internet
13:31.30jsmithReminds me of this: http://camltastic.blogspot.com/2008/08/just-draw-something-on-f-ing-screen.html
13:31.47elgI only had the borland c++ reference books, and nothing about the language itself or in any sort of tutorial form
13:36.17^Migs^I went Basic -> Pascal -> C -> C++ -> PHP
13:36.25^Migs^-> Java
13:40.56^Migs^http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/foreclosures_and_the_schools/Content?oid=341476
13:40.57brac[Creative Loafing Charlotte | News | News feature | Foreclosures and the schools]
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14:41.30leviGood morning.
14:43.10leviI started programming with Applesoft BASIC.  I think I had exposure to Logo next, followed by Pascal and C, which a guy in my ward who taught at the community college was kind enough to buy me a book and tutor me on.
14:47.44TeneMan, I try to catch up with the parrot commit log from overnight, I go away for 45 minutes to teach, and there's already three more commits.
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15:39.14maquispoints subtly in the direction of tuxgirl.smugmug.com
15:40.41Sargunooh, orange tomatoes! http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/5750981_n3EWZ#355405414_DNnjr
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15:42.53maquisSargun: yup
15:43.10maquisabout two days after the picture was taken, we ate it
15:43.13maquisit was pretty tasty
15:43.29SargunWhere was that?
15:43.30Sargunhaha
15:43.40Sargunyour back yard?
15:45.22maquisSargun: on our balcony
15:45.38maquiswe don't have a yard, so we're gardening in pots on our balcony
15:46.12maquismy current favorite: http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/5750641_TgVfH#355374342_SP59J-A-LB
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15:51.06tensaimaquis: I'm growing orange maters too. they're yummy.
15:54.35maquis:)
15:55.08maquistensai: we've got 12 tomato plants, and they've well overgrown the pots we've got them in :)
15:55.33elgmy tomato pant has all but enveloped the garden plot, and fallen over despite my reinforcements
15:55.44elgit's just shy of 6' high
15:55.56elglots of tomatoes (which is why it's tipping)
15:55.58maquisyour tomatoes have pants?
15:56.02elgnot ripe yet (we planted late)
15:56.10maquis6' is pretty good
15:56.13maquisours are like 3'
15:56.31elgi'd rather mine were 4'
15:56.44elgi guess next time I"ll have to practice the fine art of pruning
15:57.10elgsame with these cucumbers. it went crazier than i could have imagined, and in spite of the bazillions of flowers I have yet to see any actual cucumbers
15:57.14elgjust a repressive vine
15:57.28elgor is that oppressive
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15:58.18eggyknapis having the sampe "problem" with his tomatoes. We filled one of those big boxes you buy oranges in while picking last night.
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15:58.29maquisi've got some squash, and i haven't seen any little squash growing on it, although i've got lots of flowers
15:58.38maquiswe haven't gotten many tomatoes yet, but we're expecting a lot...
15:58.46maquisgrowing season is a bit later here, i think
16:00.07Jayce^tomatos, even up there, should be growing like crazy by now
16:00.24maquisJayce^: growing like crazy
16:00.26Jayce^and with the squash, you might try manually pollenating..
16:00.29maquisbut not ripening like crazy yet
16:00.50Jayce^ah, that's fine then, depending on the strain, you could be right in line
16:01.26goozbachI've got more cluster tomatoes than I know what to do with
16:01.31goozbachI've been eating them like candy
16:01.43goozbachjust 3 plants, and we're going nutso
16:01.58goozbachwe're a bunch of gardening nuts
16:03.01Jayce^made a fresh salsa on Monday for our dinner group, completely from 'picked that day' veg in our garden
16:03.10Jayce^barely made a dent
16:03.42Jayce^got some kind of bug attacking my pumpkins though :(
16:03.47Jayce^gotta get some spray
16:04.06maquisick
16:04.23maquiswe're excited for our tomatoes to ripen
16:04.39maquisshould have a lot of them to bring in to work and possibly can some, and all that...
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16:25.43elgmy tomatoes overshadowed my jalapeños early on, and they haven't grown very big
16:32.32Jayce^I was afraid for my peppers earlier, but they've come into their own, and I have a pretty good crop, and those suckers are potent even picked early..
16:33.18Jayce^all except the bell's, those haven't grown for anything
16:48.26goozbachI miss living in Utah
16:48.41goozbachCTO breakfasts, UTOSC, good LUG meetings...
16:50.36sinuhegoozbach: You could always come back with us.  :-)
16:50.55Jayce^I know he's been given opportunities....
16:51.01sinuheOf course he has
16:51.17Jayce^introduces a fellow star wars geek to moosebutter's star wars song
17:04.40maquisJayce^: that's encouraging...
17:04.46maquismy peppers haven't grown very much yet either
17:11.43harleypighttp://www.junauza.com/2008/08/what-does-michael-phelps-have-in-common.html
17:12.04harleypigBoth Linus and Michael wearing a speedo
17:12.10harleypigat least its not me wearing the speedo
17:34.19sjansenhttp://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/cat.png
17:34.26sjansenhttp://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/125.png
17:34.37sjansenhttp://graphjam.com/
17:34.52sjansenhttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-the-dog-started-it.jpg
17:35.17sjansenPlease discuss. I expect a 500 word analysis by end of day.
17:43.15harleypigJust like a cat, blame the dog for all its troubles...
17:43.26harleypig(where cat == woman, dog == man)
17:43.40harleypig:]
17:45.55^Migs^why is there a catwoman, but not a dogman?
17:50.22sjansenBecause on Dogman's first day on the job, a villian threw a stick and Dogman chased it right under a moving train.
17:50.46harleypigthere is ... but I can't remember where I saw it.
17:51.34Sargun-movieplot
17:51.34bracSummary: He's a globe-trotting guerilla cat burglar from the hood. She's a tortured cat-loving angel with a knack for trouble. They fight crime.
17:53.15sjansenharleypig: Are you thinking of Barf from Space Balls?
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18:18.27levielg: My melon vine and tomato plants are now this huge mass of intertwined greenery spreading out of the confines of the garden plot and into the yard.
18:19.47leviThe tomatoes have just started ripening.  We've had a couple of good-sized yellow tomatoes so far.
18:23.28fozzmooWe've had tomatoes for about a month now.
18:23.34fozzmooGoing gangbusters.
18:23.40fozzmooBut then, we planted in late March.
18:23.50leviWe planted late.
18:24.10leviFirst year of gardening at the new house, and it took a while to prepare the plot.
18:24.51fozzmooWe decided we're only going to do half as many plants next year.
18:24.57fozzmoo8 plants, too many.
18:25.42leviI'm afraid we're going to have to give away a ton of melons when they start ripening.
18:28.15sinuhe^Migs^: Why must man be the dog and woman be the cat?
18:29.03^Migs^I've often wondered that myself
18:29.09^Migs^I mean, there's Catwoman, but where's Catman?
18:30.01fozzmoo(sings) Cat-MAN!
18:31.25Jayce^fozzmoo, not too many, just need to start canning :)
18:31.27Jayce^or making sauce
18:31.39fozzmooYeah... haven't had time to do that yet.
18:31.43fozzmooNever canned anything in my life.
18:31.57fozzmooBut I found a nice website about canning your own spaghetti sauce.
18:32.02fozzmooSo, I want to do it.
18:32.04leviOr making sauce, then canning it. :)
18:32.07Jayce^pretty easy
18:32.16Jayce^canning the leftovers :)
18:32.46Jayce^heck, just start eating more salsa..
18:32.51fozzmooheh heh.
18:33.12fozzmooI think we'd be going through a lot more of our tomatoes if my wife's digestive system wasn't so adverse to the acid.
18:33.23Jayce^I think my family has gone through about 30 tomatoes in the last week and a half, just in salsas
18:33.30fozzmooyeah. That's how we used to be.
18:33.35fozzmooFresh salsa every night.
18:33.40Jayce^bruscetta, fresh salsas, etc
18:34.19Jayce^I'd be afraid to try to count how many cherry tomatos my son eats a day..
18:36.00fozzmooheh
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18:39.29maquiswants to can tomatoes too
18:39.29maquisnever done it before
18:39.29maquisand i've heard someone say it's hard, but it seems like it'd be a good thing to know how to do
18:39.29maquisespecially when you have a high number of very freshh tomatoes
18:40.14Jayce^pretty easy actually
18:40.34Jayce^but with all canning, you just have to work to make sure everything is clean and done right
18:40.41fozzmooOnce you've got em skinned... it's pretty easy.
18:40.48fozzmoo(from what I've read)
18:41.01fozzmooAnd skinning is as simple as just dunking them in boiling water for 15 seconds.
18:46.34sinuhe~slackware
18:46.35ibotwell, slackware is for when you're feeling lazy. http://www.slackware.com
18:46.41brac[The Slackware Linux Project]
18:49.25goozbach~curse sjansen for introducing goozbach to graphjam
18:49.26ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sjansen for introducing goozbach to graphjam !
18:50.43sinuheWow.  That's quite the curse.  The only thing worse would be Vista...
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19:17.46jnbekouch@!!! man ibot, going overkill!!
19:17.52jnbekfeels for sjansen
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19:33.19levihttp://www.manning.com/logan/
19:33.23brac[Manning: Concurrent Programming with Erlang/OTP]
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19:47.06eightyeightsjansen doesn't care. he secretly boots vista
19:57.24sjansen~punish eightyeight for his slander
19:57.25ibotACTION power-staples eightyeight's genitals to the floor for his slander
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20:09.52eightyeight~monkey sjansen
20:09.53ibotACTION flings poo at sjansen
20:11.06TeneM-C-e in bash is pretty cool
20:11.11Teneas is C-x C-e
20:14.15leviTene: What do those do in bash?
20:14.57Tenethe first performs all expansions
20:15.10Tenecommand expansions, variable expansions, history expansions, math expansions, etc.
20:15.32Tenethe second opens the current line in $EDITOR on a temp file, and then executes the file when $EDITOR closes.
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20:19.51leviHeh, interesting.
20:20.18TeneThe second makes long one-off commands a lot nicer.
20:20.28leviC-x C-e in emacs evaluates the elisp expression at the point.
20:30.35mrpullhttp://valleywag.com/5039507/mormons-said-to-make-bid-for-facebook
20:30.45mrpullat least it has a nice picture of downtown
20:39.40maquiswhat in the world?
20:41.29leviWTF?  Why would the Church buy Facebook?
20:42.10brastoanyone know how to redefine an ibot action?
20:42.48brasto<PROTECTED>
20:42.48ibotbrasto: i didn't have anything called '$actionname doesn't work' to forget
20:43.18brastohey... ibot, i had a space in front of that...
20:43.32brastoibot's getting smarter
20:45.18^Migs^hahaha that'd be funny
20:45.28^Migs^mormonspace.com
20:46.15^Migs^"I'd miss relationship statuses like "whatever I can get" and "random play," all the groups devoted to alcohol, and my gay friends, but I have to admit, "married to ____, ____, ____, and _____" would be pretty cool."
20:46.16^Migs^hahahaha
20:51.22Sargunlol
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21:09.57harleypigweird ... mormonspace.com goes to lds.adoption.com ...
21:11.00goozbachspeaking of pologamy: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/20/1751246&from=rss
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21:14.05harleypigI should have looked at the link closer ... friggin' slashdot idiot commenters.
21:15.23leviIf one wife makes you live longer, having multiple wives should multiply the effect! :P
21:16.28dataw0lfpologamy?  what's that, marrying Ralph Lauren or something?
21:16.46harleypigat what point do you reach diminishing retrns though ...
21:17.28harleypigI always get myself in trouble at church ... asking if the church actually practiced *polygamy* or did it really just practice *polygny* ...
21:17.58Jayce^polygeny is all
21:18.16harleypigwhat proof is there to support that?
21:19.13leviI have heard that some already-married women were asked to be plural wives of other men, thus some polyandry as well, though not woman-initiated.
21:19.19elgare you saying that it practiced polygamy and that the polygyny/polygamy word mixup is just a coverup?
21:19.50harleypigI have heard the same thing levi, but that would make it true polygamy, not polyandry.
21:20.26leviIndeed.
21:20.26harleypigelg: no, I don't really have an opinion either way.
21:20.44leviWell, polygamy seems to me a blanket term that covers both polygyny and polyandry.
21:20.58elgeither/or, it seems
21:21.17elgi.e. if you're a polygynist you're a polygamist
21:22.13levihttp://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/?p=697
21:22.25leviThat is, by the way, a rather interesting blog.
21:23.35^Migs^yeah, it seems interesting
21:23.39^Migs^well-visited too, it looks like
21:24.09leviYeah.
21:24.37goozbachthen there's this one: http://seriouslysoblessed.blogspot.com/
21:25.16levihttp://www.spinozist.us/2006/08/14/the-rationale-for-nauvoo-polyandry/christian-y-cardall/
21:29.10harleypiginteresting ... teh intertubes to the rescue again ... I haven't done any serious research on the web for it ... thinking I would just find anti material ...
21:30.12leviThere are quite a few Mormon blogs out there now, and though they tend towards the fringe of Mormon thought, they tend to be run by at least somewhat faithful members.
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21:53.15Tenelevi: http://seriouslysoblessed.blogspot.com/
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